Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ The Supreme Court says a comedian’s jokes aren’t illegal, but the vote was five judges to four

00:00:00.400 Hello, my friends. I take you through a Supreme Court ruling today on the case of Mike Ward,

00:00:06.240 the Quebec comedian who made fun of a disabled kid called Jeremy Gabriel. Now, the court

00:00:11.500 sided with Mike Ward's freedom of speech and his right to make jokes, but that's not

00:00:16.620 interesting to me. What's interesting is that the ruling was five to four. All it takes

00:00:22.380 is one more judge to switch sides, and those jokes will be banned. So I'm not going to

00:00:28.760 read the majority ruling. I'm going to take you through the minority ruling, the dissenting

00:00:32.240 ruling, and I'll show you what the four censorship judges have to say, because I reckon that'll be

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00:01:14.180 Tonight, the Supreme Court says a comedian's jokes aren't illegal, but the vote was five

00:01:35.700 judges to four. It's October 29th, and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:41.600 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:45.320 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:01:49.380 The only thing I have to say to the government, the why I'm publishing, is because it's my bloody

00:01:54.260 right to do so.

00:01:55.240 Mike Ward is a Quebec comedian. He's one of the few comedians in Canada who's funny enough

00:02:06.240 to make a living at comedy. Most comedians in Canada either have to move to the U.S.

00:02:11.160 to make a go of it, or just do it as a hobby, or as many do, go work as a government comedian

00:02:17.280 at Trudeau's CBC State Broadcaster. I don't think it's possible to be a government comedian,

00:02:22.080 just like I think it's impossible to be a government rock band. A government rock band

00:02:28.020 isn't singing rock music. It's, I don't know, singing a jingle like an advertising song, and

00:02:33.120 some of those can be really nice, but they're still ads. Same with government comedians.

00:02:39.080 Basically, Liberal Party policy spoken with a laugh track. Do you doubt me?

00:02:44.140 If the old saying is true, that you're only as sick as your secrets, oh my, the Harper 0.69

00:02:50.860 government must be rotted out with disease and illness, because it's all hush-hush in

00:02:55.920 Harperland. Makes you wonder, though, what kind of unspeakable evil they're getting up

00:03:00.280 to, to need that kind of impenetrable veil of secrecy, doesn't it? I mean, what is their

00:03:06.600 dark agenda? What are they roasting puppy dogs on sticks back there? 0.96

00:03:10.800 So, help save poor Stassi Steve this season. God knows here Harper doesn't have enough sense 0.96

00:03:19.920 to save himself, so let's bring him a load of sense.

00:03:23.760 Yeah, put aside how gross it is to imply that Stephen Harper, the most pro-Israel Canadian 0.62

00:03:28.600 prime minister in Canadian history, is a Nazi. My bigger beef in this context is, she's just 0.94

00:03:35.480 not funny. Now, you could say that about Mike Ward. Some comedians work clean, as they say,

00:03:42.540 never swearing, never too dangerous. I'd put Jerry Seinfeld in that category. You can call

00:03:49.020 him dad jokes. Hey, working hard or hardly working, that kind of joke. Mike Ward is rougher. He's

00:03:56.760 not to everyone's taste. And one of the things he joked about was this guy, Jeremy Gabriel,

00:04:03.780 who was actually just a kid at the time. As you can probably tell by looking at him, he

00:04:08.900 has a rare disability called Treacher-Collins Syndrome. It's tough. It's tough to look at.

00:04:16.540 Imagine how tough it is to be him, to be his family. And he was a kid at the time, and Mike

00:04:22.760 Ward made fun of him. That's definitely not to everyone's taste. I think it's very important to

00:04:27.700 note that Jeremy Gabriel was not a private person, though. He was a celebrity, like a child actor,

00:04:35.180 like Greta Thunberg was, until, like so many child actors, she aged out and became just an actor,

00:04:41.640 which has less cachet. Jeremy Gabriel was a celebrity because he was born deaf, but when he

00:04:48.920 turned six, he got a special hearing aid that allowed him to hear. And he began to sing, and

00:04:55.980 that's how he became a celebrity, because he was a child with such a punishing disease, and yet he

00:05:02.100 still had dreams, and he tried to reach them. I suppose he did. He even sang for the Pope and

00:05:07.400 Celine Dion. I think we can all agree that mocking little Jeremy is punching down. He wasn't an

00:05:15.240 immoral person. He was a kid. He didn't do anything wrong. In fact, he did a lot with what little God

00:05:21.100 had given him. Maybe that is doing a lot, actually. He was a celebrity, and Mike Ward took a run at him.

00:05:30.260 So the kid's parents took Mike Ward to the Quebec Human Rights Commission. I know a bit about that.

00:05:34.860 In 2006, I published the Danish cartoons of Mohammed as part of a news story about them being banned

00:05:40.840 and the riots against him, etc., and I was taking one of those kangaroo courts myself. The claim

00:05:46.220 in that case was that I was mocking Mohammed, who, by the way, died many centuries ago. 0.82

00:05:53.200 But publishing those cartoons in that context was a very important journalistic act, if I may say so

00:06:00.420 myself, not because the cartoons were inherently interesting. I would never have published them

00:06:05.460 or even known about them were it not for the boycott against them, the banning of them, the riots that

00:06:10.440 killed more than 200 about them, and later the terrorist attacks against other cartoonists. I believe

00:06:16.140 what I did was journalistically and legally and morally important, very valuable, and the human rights

00:06:21.920 complaint against me was odious for those reasons, but also because even if my publication of those

00:06:28.180 cartoons was not important, it's still my right, because we're a free country. I'm not here to tell you that

00:06:34.300 Mike Ward's jokes about a disabled boy were journalistically and morally important or valuable, but I'm here to 1.00

00:06:39.800 tell you that despite that, or maybe even because of that, they're important to defend. Because you have to

00:06:44.860 fight for free speech, even for people you don't agree with. You don't have to think jokes are funny to approve of

00:06:51.260 them legally. He can be mad at Mike Ward. You can say so. You can ignore him. But saying mean words is not a crime.

00:06:58.160 I acknowledge they hurt the lad. Here's what he told the Human Rights Commission. He said,

00:07:03.320 I was 12 or 13 when I saw those videos. I didn't have maturity to be strong in the face of this.

00:07:10.400 I lost confidence and hope. It made me think my life is worth less than another's because I'm

00:07:14.340 handicapped. I accept those comments. It's true. But what is the rule for jokes? They can't make fun of

00:07:21.420 people? On what grounds? And if they're under 18 or over 18? What if they're a child celebrity

00:07:30.280 promoted by their parents, as in this case? What if the joke teller themself is disabled?

00:07:37.000 What's the rule for that? And what exactly is disabled? What's the definition? And who gets to

00:07:42.720 decide? Again, I'm not saying I like picking on the kid. But you're seriously going to ban mean jokes?

00:07:48.000 And who decides what's mean? And does it matter if it's a funny joke? Some mean things can be really,

00:07:55.780 really funny. Oh, and by the way, can a disabled person tell jokes about disabled people? Can he tell 1.00

00:08:02.640 jokes about himself? I actually see a lot of that these days on Twitter and places like that. It's

00:08:09.080 kind of reclaiming the words just the same way many black people use the N-word because they want to 0.99

00:08:14.380 take it back, take the power and hurt out of it. Lots of Jewish comedians tell Jewish jokes. 1.00

00:08:19.900 Frankly, many female comedians tell jokes that could be called anti-women and even more tell jokes 1.00

00:08:25.240 that are definitely anti-men. Are you going to make up some rules? Because in this one case,

00:08:30.820 Mike Ward was objectively mean. He'll admit he was mean. Do we have a joke tester general who gets to

00:08:37.720 decide? Don't be surprised if you're allowed to make fun of people, um, or not based on their

00:08:44.020 politics. You've never seen anything more racist or sexist or anti-gay than a liberal who sees a 0.95

00:08:51.740 minority or a woman or a gay person who's conservative. Or the viciousness that comes out 1.00

00:08:57.460 then. But that's okay, naturally, because reasons. And comedy of all things. Remember, and we've talked

00:09:05.000 about this before, that a jester isn't just about making us feel good and laugh a bit.

00:09:10.640 Jesters often speak truth to power. This is Will Summers, the court jester to Henry VIII.

00:09:17.160 He was the one man in the court who was allowed to joke at the king's suspense to say things that

00:09:23.200 embarrassed the king that everyone else was thinking but was afraid to say. You can imagine how important

00:09:29.460 that would be with a bit of a tyrant like Henry VIII. I mean, the court fool, the court jester had to be 0.97

00:09:36.400 careful. But he had an enormously useful role, speaking truth with a laugh to get the king to think twice 0.97

00:09:44.420 about things. Which is why most tyrants don't have a court jester. They ban comedy or ban joking that 0.83

00:09:53.100 embarrasses him. Stalin did it. The Ayatollahs did it. So what about Canada? Well, the Human Rights Commission in Quebec

00:10:01.040 convicted Mike Ward. They said he discriminated against young Jeremy. And the Quebec Court of Appeal upheld that.

00:10:09.460 They said that Jeremy Gabriel had a right to dignity. And that was more important than Ward's right to make a joke,

00:10:15.260 even in a comedy show that explicitly took on sacred cows. See, I haven't actually, I don't think, told you any of the

00:10:22.320 jokes that Ward made, have I? I've only told you who Jeremy Gabriel is and how he was a kid who was disabled.

00:10:28.960 Are you curious about Ward's jokes? You think it's possible they were funny? I mean, is it possible?

00:10:36.100 I've heard some comedians tell jokes about the most atrocious subjects. Sarah Silverman, who's Jewish, 1.00

00:10:41.320 obviously, tells Holocaust jokes, tells rape jokes. I won't lie, I actually laugh at them. Is it okay 0.98

00:10:50.320 for her to tell a Holocaust joke because she's Jewish? Can she tell a rape joke because she's a 1.00

00:10:56.400 woman? Can I laugh at a Holocaust joke because I'm Jewish? If neither of those things were the case, 0.99

00:11:01.600 would it still be okay? Isn't laughing about things like that taking back some of the power from it in

00:11:06.660 some way? I don't know. Who gets to decide these things? A bunch of crusty old judges who probably

00:11:11.480 haven't been to a comedy club in 50 years. And by the way, do you really think that these judges

00:11:16.200 would have the power to stop you from actually listening to jokes on the internet in this era?

00:11:21.400 Other than punishing a comedian who has already been punished by nearly a decade in the court

00:11:26.040 system, what have they done? They perhaps scared more comedians from making politically incorrect

00:11:32.320 jokes, but I assure you that that's only above ground. I put it to you that underground jokes continue

00:11:38.220 as they will till the end of time, as humans continue to want to laugh at themselves,

00:11:42.080 at others, at the absurdities of life, and at power too, and occasionally at vulnerable people.

00:11:48.700 And maybe that's not funny, but you're not going to stop it. I tell you, it's not far from banning

00:11:53.100 jokes against a disabled boy to banning jokes against, oh, I don't know, a public health officer

00:11:58.580 like Teresa Tam or banning jokes against Justin Trudeau. Once you ban a joke, then all that remains

00:12:06.100 is which jokes are to be banned. And really, what's the difference amongst them? They're just jokes.

00:12:10.440 By the way, are you curious what Ward's jokes were? Do you want to hear what sent him all

00:12:16.780 the way to the Supreme Court? Do you want to hear the jokes that these judges weighed and

00:12:20.200 measured? You know the saying, analyzing a joke is like dissecting a frog, and at the

00:12:25.040 end of it, the frog is dead. But of course, you'll want to hear them. Of course you do.

00:12:29.120 And you can hear them, right? Because you're, you, I don't know about other people, but you

00:12:34.720 are a proper person, and you have the moral fiber to handle a bad joke without being corrupted

00:12:40.300 by it, right? That's what these judges say. They wanted to hear the jokes for themselves

00:12:46.080 to rule on them. They could handle it. Isn't that odd? They get to hear the jokes and judge

00:12:52.740 them, but you can't. At least that's what the Human Rights Commissioner and the Court

00:12:56.660 of Appeals said. They said that they were moral enough, they were strong enough, they were

00:13:00.560 righteous enough, they were uncorruptible, so they could hear bad jokes about a kid without

00:13:05.120 turning evil themselves. Just you aren't. They'll do the thinking for you. Well, hang

00:13:11.920 on, I'm a grown-up. This was grown-up comedy. There were no kids in those comedy clubs. What

00:13:18.120 can't we each decide for ourselves? So the Supreme Court ruling came out today, and as usual

00:13:23.340 with our Supreme Court, it's monstrously long. It's just awful, these multi-hundred-page rulings.

00:13:28.300 In this case, 136 pages, mercifully brief, as this court goes, and they ruled in favor

00:13:35.140 of Mike Ward. Not that they thought his jokes were funny, but that they thought that his

00:13:39.840 jokes were not illegal. That if the young man wanted to sue in defamation, for example,

00:13:44.400 he could have done so, but there wasn't a human right not to be offended. That's a counterfeit

00:13:48.820 human right. Five judges said that, but four judges said no. Ban the jokes. Punish the jokester.

00:13:56.480 That's how close things were today. A reminder of one of Stephen Harper's two great failures.

00:14:02.700 He could have totally remade the courts with truly conservative judges. He was prime minister

00:14:06.360 for nine years. He made half a dozen appointments. He didn't. That's what the left would have

00:14:11.400 done. Harper simply didn't. He appointed one truly conservative judge. And one of the censorship

00:14:16.820 judges today was actually one of Harper's appointees. The other Harper failure, if you want to know,

00:14:22.620 is that he just kept the CBC and actually increased his power. I'm going to read you some lines from

00:14:29.060 the four dissenting judges, because I want to show you what is an inch away from becoming the law in

00:14:34.460 Canada. And remember, three out of the four judges here are liberal. What happens when, because Aaron

00:14:40.500 O'Toole lost the election, Trudeau appoints another judge and another judge? So I'm not reading for you

00:14:47.560 the law as it is in its final moments with five judges for free speech. I'm going to read for you

00:14:53.180 from the dissenting four judges to show you what is coming.

00:14:57.720 It is a case about the rights of vulnerable and marginalized individuals, particularly children

00:15:02.140 with disabilities, to be free from public humiliation, cruelty, vilification, and bullying that singles them

00:15:08.720 out on the basis of their disability and the devastating harm to their dignity to results.

00:15:14.880 I agree that this was a child and that he was marginalized, but who else is marginalized? Well,

00:15:20.440 everyone these days. Everyone on the left says is marginalized. Women, minorities, sexual minorities,

00:15:26.260 immigrants, the disabled, the poor, Quebecers, Newfoundlanders, Aboriginal people, etc. It's probably

00:15:31.860 80% of people. So really, unless you're making jokes at the expense of white men, jokes are banned.

00:15:39.720 I wonder if that applies to Dave Chappelle. He had a very popular comedy show on Netflix the other day

00:15:45.880 that made fun of trans people and they objected. So who wins in that battle of political correctness?

00:15:51.840 A black comedian or a white trans activist? So far, the answer is actually green. He's just worth too 0.93

00:15:59.200 much to Netflix for them to cancel him. But does this mean you're not allowed to make fun of

00:16:03.640 marginalized people at all? Is that just a new rule now? No jokes? I'm not saying these jokes that

00:16:10.540 Mike Ward made are funny, but I'm not saying they're not. I'm saying, imagine four Supreme Court

00:16:15.220 judges saying they have the right to listen to a comedy routine and then determine whether or not

00:16:19.580 it's legal. Let me give you an example of one of the jokes. I wasn't going to tell you, but I'm going

00:16:24.920 to. Here's what Ward said. He said, I went online to see what his illness was. You know what's wrong

00:16:30.980 with him? He's ugly. Oh, okay. So you're going to ban that? Give the guy a huge fine? And if he 1.00

00:16:40.080 doesn't pay it, I don't know, maybe throw him in prison for contempt? Calling someone ugly. Woo! Oh, hot

00:16:44.900 stuff. Here's some more. Then after he sang for the Canadians, the hockey team, people complain again.

00:16:51.520 He sings badly. He's off key. He's no good. Christ, he's living out a dream. Let him live out his

00:16:57.840 dream. He sang for Celine Dion. Again with the, he really sucks. He's off key. He sings badly.

00:17:03.700 Christ, he's dying. Let him live out his dream. I defended him, except now five years later, he's

00:17:08.680 still not dead. Now that's sort of actually true. They thought he was going to die. He's very much

00:17:16.660 alive. I'm very glad to say that. That was sort of the joke part that Mike Ward was

00:17:21.500 saying, hey, stop picking on how bad his singing is about to die, but he didn't die. He said

00:17:26.020 some other things too, but four judges in Canada went through what I just read and said, that's

00:17:30.300 illegal. The four censorship judges acknowledge that Mike Ward was taken to task by many people

00:17:37.880 in Quebec society, including other media, including other comedians. The judges point

00:17:43.420 out that Mike Ward was in his own way vilified and marginalized because of his conduct. And one

00:17:50.000 interview that the judges repeat, Mike Ward himself admits there's a good point to it,

00:17:56.080 that he was bullying a kid. Not in person. He was just telling jokes about a celebrity

00:18:01.300 kid who was disabled. He sort of admits that it was lowbrow. But that was not enough for 0.99

00:18:06.800 these four judges. Him being taken to task publicly, him admitting maybe he went too far.

00:18:11.520 That's not enough for these judges. This kind of behavior is never tolerating in Barakwa. You

00:18:18.440 shout like that, they put you in jail right away. No trial, no nothing. Journalists, we

00:18:24.380 have a special jail for journalists. But look at this. The judges pointed out that Mike Ward

00:18:28.800 admitted he was a bit of a bully. But they say it doesn't matter that he admitted it. They

00:18:35.020 say it doesn't even matter if Ward intended to mock this kid or not. The only thing that

00:18:41.540 matters is if the kid felt mocked. The intention of the comedian has nothing to do with that.

00:18:48.320 Let me quote.

00:18:48.720 We see no reason to depart from this court's jurisprudence confirming that it is the

00:18:53.660 impact of the conduct that matters, not the intention. Rejecting the proposition that it

00:19:00.100 is acceptable to discriminate if it results from treating likes alike. And that freedom 0.76

00:19:05.040 of expression includes the right to discriminate. Mr. Ward's justifications that he did not

00:19:09.720 intend to discriminate, that he was treating Jeremy Gabriel like any other celebrity, and

00:19:14.400 that his artistic license as a comedian gave him a right to mock a disabled child have, as 0.95

00:19:18.660 a result, no basis in law. So Mike Ward said he was having fun, not discriminating, whatever

00:19:25.260 that means. He didn't, you know, kick anyone out of an apartment or fire from the job. He's

00:19:29.760 told jokes. And he did so because the kid was a celebrity, which is obviously true. So

00:19:37.960 what say the judges? Imagine how that would play out, say, against you. You told a joke.

00:19:44.340 You didn't mean to pick on anyone. You didn't mean to be bigoted or unwoke. But someone felt

00:19:49.600 that way. Again, not your intention. It's how someone felt. So you're guilty. Four out of

00:19:54.380 nine judges said so. I just read you their words. They say it again more clearly. I'll read

00:19:59.300 it again. At this stage of the analysis, it is immaterial whether Mr. Ward intended to

00:20:05.420 mock Mr. Gabriel because he has a disability, whether Mr. Ward was joking or being serious,

00:20:11.000 or whether Mr. Gabriel was skewered in the same way as other celebrities. The issue is not

00:20:16.000 Mr. Ward's stated intention not to discriminate against Mr. Gabriel. The issue is the impact

00:20:22.260 of Mr. Ward's comments on this child with a disability. Do you get it? Now, Mike Ward pretty

00:20:28.320 much admitted to everything here, other than he said he chose the kid because he was famous,

00:20:32.440 which is obviously true. It's inconceivable that he would have singled out some private

00:20:36.940 person with a disability. All his jokes were about, you know, the kid singing to the Pope

00:20:42.180 and singing to Celine Dion and being off key. But the court says whether Ward was making jokes

00:20:47.100 or not, whether they were serious or not, whether he meant to be mean or not, what he said was

00:20:52.860 illegal. Nothing matters about what he did other than the kid's feelings were hurt. I read it to

00:20:58.540 you two different versions now. You can't call a kid ugly. You can't say a kid sang out of tune.

00:21:03.980 You can't if the person is marginalized. Even if you don't intend to be hurtful, you're guilty. By the

00:21:09.500 way, I look forward to these same judges of the Supreme Court being this dainty and hypersensitive with

00:21:16.200 something, oh, just a wee bit more hurtful than a joke being told at a comedy club. How about treating

00:21:21.820 someone, I'll use the language, who is marginalized for health reasons, for medical reasons, or

00:21:27.240 religious reasons, and, oh, I don't know, can't take a vaccine, and is fired from their job

00:21:32.020 intentionally, on purpose, with real direct harm, real discrimination, not just jokes.

00:21:39.300 Will these judges be as generous to those people? Or are the marginalized just whoever the judges

00:21:47.420 happen to agree with? Here's another quote from the dissenting four judges.

00:21:52.840 In this case, Mr. Ward's message about Mr. Gabriel, albeit one said in jest, was that he was

00:21:58.700 disposable, and that society would be better off without him. Unlike other sacred cows targeted

00:22:04.580 by Mr. Ward, Jeremy Gabriel fell victim to a stark power imbalance here. The focus of the jokes was not

00:22:10.980 only on Mr. Gabriel's disability, but on, but was connected to harmful, dehumanizing notions associated

00:22:17.020 with the worth of children with disabilities. This is quite something coming from a court that is

00:22:22.520 completely in favor of assisted suicide, eugenics, and abortion. I'm delighted they've suddenly found 1.00

00:22:28.420 their humanity and don't believe in marginalizing the weak. But you'll notice that the words they use

00:22:33.960 is not actually what Mike Ward said, which is important. The judges had to rephrase his joke

00:22:39.540 in order to make their point. And they're saying that a comedian was powerful, as opposed to a child

00:22:45.600 singer. I don't know, that could be. And the jokes here were dehumanizing. All right, could be.

00:22:52.000 It's a matter of opinion. But can we apply that new leftist rule to, I don't know, a cisgender, 0.87

00:22:59.180 privileged, white male settler, millionaire, son of privilege, denormalizing and dehumanizing

00:23:05.640 vulnerable people with disabilities. Yeah, by that, I mean, Justin Trudeau talking about the

00:23:10.400 unvaccinated. They are putting at risk their own kids and they're putting at risk. Our kids as well 0.92

00:23:19.040 are putting us all at risk. Those people are putting us all at risk. Yeah, no, something tells me that

00:23:25.960 these judges don't plan on taking on the truly powerful and their dehumanizing of the marginalized.

00:23:32.040 Just comedians who make jokes they don't like. They're the minority today, these four judges,

00:23:37.560 but don't expect that to last long. Stay with us for more.

00:23:55.960 Welcome back. Well, one of my favorite guys is Dave Rubin. He's the host of The Rubin Report. I first

00:24:03.040 came across him when he was touring with Dr. Jordan Peterson, sort of like a warm-up act.

00:24:09.660 And I thought, well, that's my kind of guy. And he's not just a content creator, as they say,

00:24:15.420 he's a bit of an entrepreneur. And he founded a free speech-oriented social media site called

00:24:23.500 Locals. And it really caught on not only with people who are free speech-oriented,

00:24:29.420 but for people who want to control of their data. What I mean by that is we have 1.5 million

00:24:34.820 subscribers on YouTube, but we don't know who they are. YouTube won't tell us. And so YouTube can

00:24:41.700 break the bonds between us and our subscribers, and there's nothing we can do about it. Locals 0.99

00:24:47.060 actually connected content creators and their users. Well, the big news this week

00:24:54.560 is that Locals is merging with Rumble.com. And for those of you who watch our show, you know what

00:25:02.460 that means. They are a video rival to YouTube with a free speech orientation. Full disclosure,

00:25:09.860 I have a teeny tiny sliver of a share of Rumble. I couldn't believe this good news. And I thought,

00:25:15.100 well, let's get Dave on the line and find out what it means in terms of defying the tech giants,

00:25:21.460 free speech, and other good things. And joining us now via Skype from LA is our friend Dave Rubin. Dave,

00:25:27.420 great to see you. Normally, you're interviewing me about the civil liberties crisis in Canada. But

00:25:32.100 today, you've got some good news about a civil liberties solution, I think.

00:25:38.060 Yeah, well, first off, Ezra, I did not know that you had a teeny tiny sliver in Rumble. And now I'm

00:25:43.960 very happy to report that hopefully, if this thing goes as I plan it will, you're going to be doing

00:25:49.940 all right one of these days. That's the plan, Ezra Levant. Well, tell our viewers a little bit more

00:25:56.020 about the thinking that went into Locals. And sure. And why it's I mean, when I heard it, I thought,

00:26:03.960 oh, my God, that is a perfect fit. But I'd like to hear it through your words, because I don't know

00:26:08.940 if I understand it completely. Go ahead. Sure. Well, your intro was quite good, actually,

00:26:13.680 because bringing up your 1.5 million subscribers on YouTube, and that it's not only that you don't

00:26:18.460 know who they are, you have no ability to get a message out to those people. So you know, when we

00:26:22.880 all got on YouTube, everyone thought, oh, if someone subscribes to your channel, and they tap

00:26:27.720 that notification bell, the implication is that you're going to see those videos, that creator's

00:26:33.900 videos in your feed. That's what we all thought. I think that's what most people actually think to

00:26:38.340 this day. Well, that's just not how it works. We know that through algorithmic tricks, and for

00:26:43.800 whatever reason, I'm not even implying that they're all nefarious. YouTube does not send out all of

00:26:49.440 your videos to your subscribers. We know that often, if they don't like your political opinion,

00:26:54.500 they can actually put recommended videos that could completely sway your opinion or send you down

00:27:00.240 some other rabbit hole. As I always say, when it comes to big tech, it's not the things that we know

00:27:05.060 that I'm worried about that we know they're doing to us. It's the things that we don't know.

00:27:08.340 So a couple of years ago, it was actually just less than three years ago, I sort of had the idea

00:27:13.000 that, well, if I was going to be truly independent, really independent from these platforms, what would

00:27:18.560 I need? And I would need, A, I would need a subscription service. So, you know, I would need

00:27:23.000 my audience to be able to fund my program. So I would be free of outside influence in terms of the

00:27:28.480 political and cultural things that I was talking about. So we built a subscription model. Then we

00:27:33.300 thought, all right, well, we need a great video player. Let's build that. We need a great audio

00:27:36.680 player. Let's build that. Let's make sure that I have direct communication with my audience. So we

00:27:41.160 have, at first we started with live text chat, but now we have live video streaming from your phone

00:27:46.140 or your desktop. Then we thought, well, we want to make sure that you as the creator own the user

00:27:50.860 data so that if someone subscribes to me and let's say I get kicked off YouTube, I have a way of

00:27:55.220 communicating with them. So we have great push notifications that go out to people so that

00:27:59.460 you may remember, Ezra, at the end of July, I was kicked off Twitter for saying that vaccine

00:28:05.420 mandates were coming. Well, I wasn't completely incapacitated because I was still able to

00:28:10.840 communicate with my locals community. So I was live streaming a minute later, able to get my

00:28:16.680 message out to people. Then they could share it on their social media channels. And then we got

00:28:21.300 there to be enough public pressure that Twitter not only brought me back, but they said it was an

00:28:25.480 error that I was banned in the first place. So I think we had most of the pieces lined up properly

00:28:32.060 for a partnership like we're now doing with Rumble to come into place. And I'll add one other thing,

00:28:37.260 which you described Rumble as a sort of a YouTube alternative video site. It's actually much more

00:28:42.200 than that. What they have done there, and Chris, who's the CEO of Rumble, who's a great guy and he's

00:28:46.080 been working on this for over a decade, they have truly built infrastructure. I mean, servers and all of

00:28:54.000 the infrastructure needed to host all sorts of websites. So the big one, of course, was when

00:29:01.160 Parler got blown up after January 6th, Amazon just pulled the plug. And that's no way to run a

00:29:07.900 business, knowing that the people that you're renting space from, so to speak, can just take

00:29:11.980 you out at any moment. So Rumble has not only a great video service that we're working on fixing

00:29:16.980 some of the interface and all that kind of stuff, but they really have the underbelly of the internet

00:29:21.600 stuff to make sure that big tech can't just blow up the Rebels website or my website or anyone else.

00:29:27.500 So I think this is a really important week in the fight back against big tech.

00:29:32.820 I'm really glad to hear that. And, you know, I like Rumble in that they're taking steps not just to be

00:29:40.220 our, quote, right-wing alternative. They've signed up quality programmers like Glenn Greenwald,

00:29:47.600 who's an iconic man of the free speech left, Tulsi Gabbard, the Hawaiian Democrat who ran for

00:29:54.860 president. These are not right-wing voices, but they're voices that believe in free speech.

00:30:00.200 I'm really excited about that. Tell me what it means that locals and Rumble are merging or

00:30:08.500 acquiring. I don't know what the term is, but what will it mean for people on either system?

00:30:14.140 What will it mean for folks who follow videos on Rumble now? What will it mean for folks who

00:30:18.780 use locals right now? Yeah, great. So in essence, it's a merger acquisition. So I have sold

00:30:25.060 the company locals to Rumble, so they fully own it. I do not own locals anymore. However, myself and my

00:30:32.760 partner Asaf, who really was the brainchild behind this and the architect, we're staying on as part of

00:30:38.680 the team so that I'll be doing this sort of thing, public talking about our ideas and our policies and

00:30:44.760 things of that nature, PR in essence, and helping guide some of the policy. Asaf will continue to

00:30:50.120 run local. So you can think of it sort of how, although this sounds a bit nefarious, I suppose,

00:30:54.900 how Facebook owns Instagram, but they're still separate brands and separate companies,

00:30:58.640 but they obviously share infrastructure, human resources, things like that. So Rumble,

00:31:03.940 which is really well funded, it now adds a tremendous amount of resources for us. But in

00:31:08.220 terms of the user side of things, well, locals will be the official subscription provider for all

00:31:15.420 Rumble creators. So if you're a Rumble creator, yeah. So that's huge because that allows us to

00:31:22.700 scale, right? That's the key piece for us in this is how do we scale, not just bring on a few creators

00:31:28.740 every day, or if I know somebody, bring them on board. This is, if you are a Rumble creator,

00:31:33.760 you will be officially connected to locals so that that can be the real financial engine for your show.

00:31:41.320 You know, then we have a lot of other things that we're sort of putting the pieces together with

00:31:45.120 right now. So for example, when I do my show, which now we live stream every day on Rumble,

00:31:49.900 right now, I allow for chat in my locals community. So there's no bots, there's no trolls,

00:31:56.340 there's no angry people. This is good, enlightened, interesting, honest discussion

00:32:00.240 that happens during my live stream. We're going to start bringing that on board the Rumble platform

00:32:05.180 as well. So it'll be your paid subscribers who will be chatting. So not only is that an engine

00:32:09.800 of revenue for a creator like you guys, but it also allows us to have a much more decent

00:32:15.560 conversation online. You know, one of the reasons that the online conversation sounds so terrible is

00:32:20.740 because people have 20 burner Twitter accounts to harass people all day long. I'm not saying they

00:32:25.740 can't have it, but we want to create something better. So you're going to see a lot of ways

00:32:31.220 that we tie these bonds. And you know, the other part, Ezra, and you know this, is that in 20 years

00:32:36.540 of, you know, 20 years ago, it was MySpace or just the beginnings of MySpace, the beginnings of

00:32:40.800 social media. We didn't know what we were all signing up for. We had no idea. You're friends with

00:32:45.360 your grandma on there. Next thing you know, you see a picture of Trump and a terrorist attack and a

00:32:49.400 baby and you're having crazy emotions. None of it makes sense. Why is your grandmother

00:32:54.340 and your, you know, friend that you just reconnected with from fifth grade? Why are

00:32:58.620 they on the same page arguing about politics? It doesn't make sense. But now it's 20 years

00:33:02.860 later and we can assess that and say, well, what would a better internet look like? What

00:33:09.140 would a better social media ecosystem look like? So look, we're going to build communities,

00:33:13.340 but we're also going to build the underbelly of the internet. This is going to come along

00:33:16.340 with payment processors and a whole bunch more. I can't say everything.

00:33:19.500 Dave, what you just said there at the end is so important because of course you can find

00:33:24.900 a replacement video server. Like we were suspended for a week from YouTube and it really shook us to

00:33:30.420 the core. We thought, okay, we're back on YouTube, but we'd better find plan B, C and D. And when

00:33:36.220 PayPal gave us the boot on a Friday night at 6 PM Eastern in an unsigned email, no explanation,

00:33:43.880 no warning, no appeal. I thought, oh my God, that is the next step of de-platforming and we need plan B,

00:33:51.340 C and D there. If you guys at Rural and locals can find a payment solution, because that's the scary

00:33:58.980 part. When they ban people from even having the ability to earn a living, that kind of deep

00:34:05.280 platforming is so horrific in terms of the wreckage it can do to ordinary people. That's the most

00:34:14.220 interesting thing you said here. I'm excited about it. Well, I'm glad you're excited. I remember when

00:34:19.300 that happened to you guys and 100% crystal clear, we are working on it. There will be solutions. We

00:34:25.440 should not be beholden only to PayPal, Stripe, and a couple banks because, you know, the next level of

00:34:31.700 this, Ezra, of course, is not just that, say, PayPal is going to say, oh, Rebel News is too scary

00:34:37.540 for us. It's that they're going to say, oh, the viewers of Rebel News are too scary or the viewers

00:34:43.000 of the Reuben of Purchase is scary. And then should they have access to a Stripe account where they can

00:34:47.480 share these videos, right? Like, are they going to do that? So we really, that's why I keep saying

00:34:52.800 this idea of we have to build a parallel ecosystem. Let them have all of their things. I am not here

00:34:59.740 to destroy YouTube or Stripe or anything else. What I would like to do is leverage their audiences

00:35:04.580 to build a better product, and that's exactly what we're going to do. So, yes, payment processors,

00:35:11.060 video hosting, community building. How do we get around the iOS and Android store, the Google Play

00:35:18.140 store? I mean, there's all sorts of things. But I think for the first time in a long time,

00:35:23.580 we had a good week, those of us that are fighting this stuff, because this is just the beginning.

00:35:27.720 Dave, you know what? I'm so, I mean, I was happy when I saw this news, but hearing, you've obviously

00:35:34.680 been thinking about this for a long time, and we like the guys at Rumble, and for you guys to team

00:35:39.160 up is really great. My one piece of advice is make sure you have foreign currencies for the payment

00:35:44.860 processor, because obviously you're in America. We're up here in Canada. There's people all across

00:35:51.280 the Anglosphere, UK, Australia, but even all around the world. I mean, whether it's in Brazil or France,

00:35:58.740 where, you know, Facebook deleted 40,000 accounts on the eve of the French election, or Germany, which

00:36:04.380 is one of the most censored places in the free world. I know that a lot of people in a lot of different

00:36:10.200 languages and currencies, boy, the sky's the limit. If you have an alternative, anti-fragile,

00:36:18.240 you know, resilient system. I am very excited. Dave, I wish you good luck. Couldn't happen to a

00:36:25.120 better guy. Congrats. I remember when you started Locals. I was thrilled by it, and I'm grateful for

00:36:30.020 you popping by today. I know how busy you are, so thanks for the personal update. Ezra, I thank you

00:36:36.040 for the kind words. You know, we're all in this fight together, and we've all found allies in places

00:36:40.800 we didn't think we were going to find allies, and I don't know that they'll let me in Canada

00:36:44.960 anytime soon. But if they will let you into America, I look forward to breaking bread with 0.64

00:36:49.380 you one of these days. Well, thank you. Hopefully, I'm not coming there as a refugee. We got a few 1.00

00:36:54.040 more fights up here. In fact, I might try and conscript you into that. Ezra, if you come in

00:36:59.440 as a refugee, don't come in through Canada, because we don't give you anything. But if you come in 1.00

00:37:02.720 through Mexico, apparently, we're going to give you 450 grand on your way in. So get down there first.

00:37:07.320 Yeah, that's my retirement plan. I forgot to tell you. All right. Well, Dave, it's great to catch up

00:37:11.060 with you. There he is, everybody. Dave Rubin, the boss of Rubin Report, the founder of Locals.

00:37:15.760 And the big news is, of course, they're merging with Rumble.com, the free speech alternative

00:37:19.740 in video. Stay with us. More ahead.

00:37:34.440 Hey, welcome back. Your feedback. Carol Bergman writes,

00:37:36.780 Mr. O'Toole is from now to be known as Mr. O'Fool. I will never vote conservative again.

00:37:43.440 I mean, what is the point of him? I'm not even kidding when I say he really could be a Trudeau

00:37:49.580 cabinet minister. The difference between him and Trudeau is microscopic. I don't even think you

00:37:55.760 could slide a sheet of paper between him and Trudeau. They're so close. Barbara Baxter says,

00:38:00.940 not sure I'd want to be treated by those who don't mind working under Premier Horgan's yoke.

00:38:05.460 You're talking about the decision in BC to sack 4,000 nurses and doctors. I mean,

00:38:10.180 don't you want ethical people who will stand on a point of courage or principle? Like you're

00:38:15.680 seriously weeding out. I mean, you're weeding out some people who have a religious objection.

00:38:20.800 You're weeding out some people with a medical objection. But in every case, you're really

00:38:24.840 weeding out people who say, I'm going to take a stand on principle at great personal cost.

00:38:29.060 aren't those actually the best people? I, I, all I can think of was Jody Wilson-Raybould though,

00:38:35.300 the one ethical cabinet minister in Trudeau's cabinet. So the one he had to throw out and

00:38:41.340 Jane Philpott left too, cause she felt the same way. Aren't we doing that on mass? Like

00:38:46.600 in every institution, aren't they throwing away? Even if you're vaxxed, even if you believe in 0.65

00:38:50.520 vaxxed, you're throwing out people who on principle say, I'm not going to be forced.

00:38:56.120 What are you doing? Someone with a nickname, a noodle Mac says, Saskatoon city council passing

00:39:02.140 a bylaw to restrict gatherings, unvaxxed, not allowed in other homes. Yeah. I mean, it's out of

00:39:09.060 control. I don't know how they'll possibly enforce that, but listen, I've seen nothing stopping any

00:39:16.120 police in any place in the world. Like really tell me a judge who stopped anything in a meaningful

00:39:21.400 way. Well, that's the show for today until Monday, on behalf of all of us here from rebel world

00:39:27.120 headquarters to you at home, good night and keep fighting for freedom. And let me leave you with

00:39:32.220 our video of the day from Drea Humphrey, who went to a hundred mile house to speak to some nurses

00:39:37.720 about this very subject. Goodbye. Well, I am pretty much terminated. So I've been off on unpaid leave

00:39:47.780 since the 12th of this month. And on the 26th, I will be terminated. I have opted to hold off with

00:39:57.200 getting the vaccine. I'm just not happy with the information that I've not been given. And I'm not

00:40:05.240 comfortable with the fact that I don't get to actually consent or refuse. Absolutely.

00:40:12.600 Myself during this whole thing, I, um, have a daughter that lives in the UK and my forethought

00:40:19.380 is I'm going to wait. Yes. I want to travel and see my daughter and everything else, but I'm going

00:40:24.560 to wait. I want to see what's going to happen, where we're going with this. What, um, if there's

00:40:33.020 any adverse reactions, what are they going to be? Uh, for myself, I have opted out. I have done my

00:40:40.140 research. Um, I believe in medical freedoms. I believe in the rights of and freedoms of all

00:40:46.700 Canadians to choose for themselves as they know best for themselves. Uh, a stranger should not be

00:40:52.260 choosing how care should be done for you and put potentially putting at you at risk, not knowing

00:40:57.340 what your circumstances are.

00:41:02.460 Drea Humphrey here with Rebel News. I'm sitting here with Colleen, Laura and Teresa, all frontline

00:41:08.620 workers. Uh, just let us know what, what you guys do. I'm a trained healthcare professional. I am a

00:41:16.140 healthcare professional acute care, a hundred mile hospital. I'm a long-term care aide for 16 years.

00:41:21.500 Right. And so, unless you've been living under a rock, depending on your lady's vaccination status,

00:41:28.860 or whether or not you were comfortable disclosing that you guys are either terminated laid off without

00:41:35.260 paid pay or about to experience that at the time of this report. So let us know where you are with that

00:41:42.460 right now. Well, I am pretty much terminated. So, uh, I've been off on long-term or sorry, I'm unpaid

00:41:51.980 leave since the 12th of this month. And, uh, on the 26th, I will be terminated. And how many years were

00:42:00.620 you working in the field? 18 years. And what about the hospital? You guys are all at the same hospital.

00:42:05.980 This is a fairly smaller area. And site. And site. Yeah. And so how many years were you there?

00:42:12.060 I've been here for, um, pretty much the 18 years. I did a little bit of traveling, uh,

00:42:17.980 down in the Kootenai region. I worked there for a brief period of time, but ultimately this is my

00:42:23.420 location. Wow. And how about yourself? How long have you been doing your job and specifically in this

00:42:29.500 area? Um, I've been doing in the healthcare field for 18 years. Um, I moved up to a hundred mile house

00:42:36.940 five years ago and I've been here for five years, over five years now. And same question for you.

00:42:42.300 I've been doing, uh, curating for 16 years. I've worked complex care, multi-level, uh,

00:42:47.980 extended care and hospice and brain injury for 16 years. And I've been in a hundred mile for 10 years,

00:42:54.620 10 years. Yeah. Wow. Now who can speak to you if anybody can get guests about the estimation on the

00:43:02.620 size of the population that you guys care for? Like I'm assuming based on this, you guys are the primary

00:43:09.100 hospital to treat it. People, you know, need care. We are a rural community. Um, we have,

00:43:18.380 we have a community that is larger than ours, uh, north of us. That would be Williams Lake. And then

00:43:24.060 of course the primary tertiary center is Kamloops. And then of course, Kelowna, we probably service

00:43:31.900 approximately plus or minus a total area of about 18,000 people. And so when we talk about the

00:43:41.180 vaccine, are you guys comfortable giving your vaccination status right now or? Yes. Yes. And

00:43:47.020 so, so what is it? And, um, if you're comfortable sharing, I'm assuming that it's, well, I have opted

00:43:55.340 to hold off with getting the vaccine. I'm just not happy with the information that I've not been given

00:44:03.980 and I'm not comfortable with the fact that I don't get to actually consent or refuse.

00:44:10.300 Absolutely. Myself during this whole thing, I, um, have a daughter that lives in the UK and my

00:44:18.700 forethought is I'm going to wait. Yes. I want to travel and see my daughter and everything else,

00:44:23.980 but I'm going to wait. I want to see what's going to happen, where we're going with this. What, um,

00:44:32.380 if there's any adverse reactions, what are they going to be?

00:44:35.020 Uh, for myself, I have opted out. I have done my research. Um, I believe in medical freedoms. I

00:44:43.580 believe in the rights and freedoms of all Canadians to choose for themselves as they know best for

00:44:49.980 themselves. Uh, a stranger should not be choosing how care should be done for you and potentially

00:44:55.660 putting you at risk, not knowing what your circumstances are. I think that it's, um, on the

00:45:01.740 one hand, it, it kind of made sense. I'm not saying the mandates made sense at all,

00:45:06.220 but that they pick sort of the acute care and long-term to start this. Um, but it should have

00:45:12.700 been surprising to most of the people, how many, um, across Canada in your industry were not ready to

00:45:19.660 get the vaccination. So what do you say to people who, um, kind of think maybe you guys are sort of

00:45:24.540 villains or something for not just jabbing and doing it, uh, doing your part?

00:45:31.020 I would say it's called, um, critical thinking. We were educated to critically think.

00:45:38.940 Um, it's called ethics on doing your research, asking your questions, knowing

00:45:46.220 uh, your demographics and that, and, um, just looking at it and seeing what's out there. And

00:45:55.100 you know what, I mean, the peer reviews are not being seen right now. And that is the biggest thing

00:46:01.500 is that they are being silenced. Um, Brown Institute, um, has peer reviews of this. Um,

00:46:09.900 um, you know, and that is the biggest thing is looking at your peer reviews and being open-minded.

00:46:17.180 And I just want people to know that yes, people say, oh, it's been around for years or

00:46:26.620 all that other thing. But the thing is though, is that it was still in the emergency use.

00:46:32.540 It was, that's all it was. They haven't finished the trials. They haven't finished the clinical trials.

00:46:40.540 It's ongoing. And even they'll say that it's, it's, they don't know the long-term effect.

00:46:47.500 They're going to try and, and put it, this onto children, children that they haven't even tried it

00:46:53.820 on at all. There has been no clinical trials and outcomes for children.

00:46:59.980 Well, we've seen that I believe it's Denmark and Sweden when it comes to Moderna has, uh,

00:47:06.300 at the moment held off on giving it to young people. Pfizer read on its fact sheet from the FDA

00:47:13.740 says that, uh, you know, that trials are still on and you might have severe reactions. So it's kind

00:47:19.900 of concerning that we're giving this to children. What about the reactions in your experience? Are you

00:47:26.700 coming across those, how are they being deal dealt with and how are they being tracked?

00:47:32.620 I'm from my personal story. Yeah. And like I said, um, my daughter lives in the UK. She chose to get 0.95

00:47:40.860 the vaccine. So this is when all the restrictions were down that you couldn't travel, you couldn't

00:47:47.020 go anywhere. There was lockdowns. So your daughter faced or messaged you and talks to you and says,

00:47:54.460 mom, I'm not feeling good. I'm tired. Um, my heart's pounding. Sometimes I get short of breath.

00:48:01.180 All I want to do is sleep. This is after the first vaccine. So I'm thinking, here's a 26 year old girl,

00:48:09.020 my own daughter phoning me and saying, what do I do? I'm not feeling good. And this is about three

00:48:16.940 weeks after the vaccine. And, uh, I kept telling her go to the hospital, go to the hospital. But

00:48:23.260 the UK system is much different than ours. And finally, after two days, like, I mean, she ended up

00:48:28.940 having rashes and that, and she ended up going to a hospital and they just kind of just swept it under

00:48:36.060 the carpet and that. And, um, how do you think a mother feels with her daughter on a 12 hour flight

00:48:44.700 away? There is nothing you can do. And you tried to educate her to not get it, but she wants to travel.

00:48:52.540 She's young. She has faith in the people that are telling, giving you this information. She has faith

00:48:59.020 in the scientists that are pushing this. And, um, we've seen, you know, the lies come out

00:49:07.580 and people being exposed and, um, scientists, the healthcare professionals that are on TV.

00:49:14.940 Um, and she, you know what, there's millions and millions and billions of people that are trusting

00:49:21.180 these people. And for me, it's all about being very, very straightforward. These are the facts.

00:49:30.940 And, um, that's what it has to come down to is facts and truth.

00:49:37.020 So tell us a little bit about what this means to be laid off without pay or terminated for you guys.

00:49:44.300 How is that going to affect your livelihood? Well, um, no money is a big deal. Uh,

00:49:52.700 it is problematic. Yeah. Uh, we, we have been told that once we are terminated, there will be no

00:50:01.420 severance. There is talk about, uh, being denied the ability to collect any form of EI. Um,

00:50:10.060 we may, there, there's threats of losing our pension. There's threats of losing our licenses.

00:50:18.540 Um, we don't know if these are all factual. There's just lots of talk. Um, and then just being able to

00:50:25.820 figure out, okay, what else are we going to do? You know? So, so the uncertainty of not really knowing

00:50:32.220 where to go from here because our careers, I mean, we pretty much a good chunk of our life,

00:50:38.460 we have, we've cared for people. That's what we love to do. That's why we're, you know,

00:50:44.300 that's why we're doing this. This is not an easy decision. Um, it is very hard because we are giving

00:50:50.460 up a lot and, um, it just seems that people aren't really understanding that. Uh, I think that they feel

00:51:00.460 that we're quite evil and we're horrible people when in fact, we're the very opposite. We love what

00:51:06.940 we're doing and we love our patients. We love the people we work with and, um, it's, it's heartbreaking

00:51:13.580 to us. And so, so that part is, um, is a big loss. This is a huge, huge sacrifice we're making.

00:51:22.780 Absolutely. Does anybody else want to talk about that? Yeah. Like for me, I believe that our rights

00:51:27.340 have been violated right across the board. Um, you know, our livelihoods are being destroyed. It's

00:51:32.700 discriminative. Um, we're being singled out. Um, we're not being treated with the same privileges

00:51:39.340 over an experimental vaccine that potentially is looking like it's quite harmful to many people.

00:51:44.860 I have a couple of friends and family who've had injuries from these, um, shots and I don't

00:51:50.300 like calling it a vaccine because it's actually an MRNA gene therapy drug and it is not proven to be

00:51:56.380 effective. Um, yeah, I just, I don't know. I just, I can't, I just can't wrap my head around how

00:52:04.620 somebody would take something experimental and how the government wouldn't offer, you know,

00:52:09.020 the short-term and the long-term effects on the data. Um, they haven't been open and, uh, you know,

00:52:16.300 honest and factual about, you know, their findings. In fact, they didn't even have a proper reporting

00:52:20.460 center set up. A lot of doctors aren't even aware of where to report these. And, and often, um, they

00:52:26.460 will be, um, diagnosed by their symptoms and not related to the adverse reaction of a shot.

00:52:35.020 And rashes have been very common. Um, some of my friends and family had, uh, swollen lymph nodes

00:52:41.580 for several weeks after very painful, very tired, not feeling good, short of oxygen. Um, just not

00:52:48.300 feeling well at all, feeling sick and not knowing what's wrong with them. Uh, no, that's it. Yeah.

00:52:54.940 Yeah. And then it becomes an assessment of risks versus cons. I mean, the younger you get and the

00:52:59.980 healthier you get and things like that, because I hear that all the time, like, oh, for a week,

00:53:04.220 I was so sick and it, you know, they're like 20 years old and that's from the shot. What would it

00:53:09.100 have been like to have COVID? Right. Um, so what about overwhelmed hospitals? So it's just

00:53:16.060 flabbergasting to me that the whole thing, almost the last 18 months, let's not overwhelm the

00:53:21.500 hospitals. Let's not overwhelm the hospitals. And here we are in one room with three of you being

00:53:27.180 let go from the hospitals. Can you, any of you speak to what overwhelmed hospitals was like prior to

00:53:35.180 COVID-19 versus during COVID-19 and versus more recently? We had difficulty, um, maintaining baseline

00:53:44.620 in residential, um, due to the fact that there wasn't enough staff. It's a hard job. The demands

00:53:50.300 were much higher. It became more complex. Um, dementia is on the rise. And unfortunately,

00:53:56.140 we were always told it wasn't in the budget to be able to hire more staff to take care of them.

00:54:00.380 So we were run off our feet literally, and there wasn't any room for, um, you know, people calling in

00:54:07.180 sick or, you know, having some time off. It was mentally and physically draining for everybody.

00:54:11.980 Everybody was very, very, very tired mentally, emotionally, physically, you know? Um, and I

00:54:17.900 think it hardens you after a while because you're looking after so many people and it then becomes a

00:54:24.060 matter of, you know, feeling like you're on a production line because you don't have the time

00:54:27.980 to look after anybody anymore. And I, and I hate to even say that, but we were forced into that to be

00:54:34.140 able to look after everybody. Right. And when you think of that, if it was this big bad pandemic,

00:54:41.500 it seemed like they needed to bring more people in so that you guys were working with less people

00:54:46.860 and not as tired and things like that. But here we are seeing the opposite happen. Um,

00:54:52.700 so I guess my question is, is what do you guys think of the healthcare system overall? I know you

00:54:57.740 you can't necessarily speak too specific to, to your hospital right now, but just healthcare in

00:55:03.340 general, how are we going to manage an earthquake or something like that? If COVID is so highly

00:55:09.900 survivable and we're in our fourth wave to the point that we have to actually can people who have

00:55:16.620 the skills to care for people in a rural area, what has the government, in your opinion, how have

00:55:22.940 they failed to actually set people up for a more significant disaster?

00:55:29.420 There's no way we would be able to sustain any type of disaster. I don't think most communities

00:55:34.620 would be prepared for such a thing. British Columbia has been shortstopped right across the board

00:55:40.940 in every, every department. You know, I mean, it's a tough job. Yeah, it's a tough job.

00:55:47.820 Now I see you've got papers in front of you. You've got the order in front of you,

00:55:52.540 the order of the provincial health officer for hospital and community healthcare and other

00:55:58.460 services, COVID-19 vaccination status information. What did you want to touch on about this order?

00:56:06.060 My biggest thing is, is, um, you know, section G, it says vaccines would prevent or reduce the risk

00:56:13.260 of infection with SARS-CoV-2 have been continually available to residents of the province.

00:56:20.940 Yes, they are available, but do they prevent it? Do they prevent you from getting COVID? No.

00:56:30.860 Especially with the Delta, right?

00:56:32.220 Yeah. They don't prevent you from transmitting it. They don't do any of that. It, it,

00:56:37.500 I'm not an anti-vaxxer. I am fully vaccinated. I am a fully vaccinated healthcare professional.

00:56:45.820 Um, you know, we give our vaccination status as per, you know, our heps, our MMR, our diphtheria,

00:56:56.300 our mumps, measles. I mean, I'm fully vaccinated. I really am. But to say that this and to falsely,

00:57:04.220 and this is my biggest thing is a false narrative that the provincial government and Bonnie Henry

00:57:11.580 is saying to our public on the media, and I'm going to say this. And when I think of the media in general,

00:57:25.020 I'm going to go with the fourth estate. And that just, you know, I mean, the media has been bought

00:57:33.180 off. Um, the large media corporations, I don't watch the news anymore. I don't watch TV anymore.

00:57:40.220 Um, they are dictated to on what to say from the governments. How many million did the federal

00:57:49.660 government give to the media? I don't know. Billions. It was billions. I think it was 6 billion.

00:57:54.380 Yeah. So then, and I mean, this is before an election. And then also, then you have

00:57:59.820 Mr. Trudeau saying, and that's used very loosely, um, that, you know, he's going to give

00:58:07.180 a billion dollars to the provinces that mandate these passports. I'm a healthcare professional.

00:58:16.540 I love my job. I'm good at it. Um, I want to see good healthcare. I want to see honest healthcare.

00:58:25.340 I want to see healthcare that every person, no matter who they are and where they're from in this

00:58:31.340 province deserves good healthcare, honest healthcare, honest politicians that are supposed to be

00:58:40.300 protecting our elderly, our first nations, our children.

00:58:47.020 We, and the citizens of British Columbia deserve that a hundred percent. We deserve transparency from

00:58:57.500 the government and that's what we're not getting. And we're not anti-vaxxers. We're pro care,

00:59:06.780 but we're also pro science on peer reviews because there are out there and they're just being covered

00:59:14.620 up. And so what about treatment too? I mean, there's so much going out there. Oh my gosh,

00:59:20.060 don't take a horse paste and all of this stuff. Um, but it's definitely something we've dropped the

00:59:26.380 ball on. Am I right? Does anybody want to talk about that? Yeah. I mean, I, it says here, you know,

00:59:31.980 that, um, there's no other measures that are effective for SARS-CoV. Um, but you know what,

00:59:40.300 we've become a healthcare system that treats the sick. We're not, um, being very preventative

00:59:48.620 and the prevention has been said time and time again of, you know, vitamin D, vitamin C, zinc,

00:59:56.220 magnesium. Um, you know, I mean, there's multiple things that we could be taken. I mean,

01:00:02.540 we get outside, we get the fresh air, we get our exercise. You know what? We're not perfect.

01:00:07.580 Eat healthy. Yeah. We're cut down on the fast food. But the thing is though, is that,

01:00:11.580 you know what the mandates have done? You don't need a, you don't need a health passport to get

01:00:16.620 in a fast food place, but to sit down and have an honest, good dinner, you need a health passport.

01:00:22.620 How does that go for preventing and dealing with the wellness of our province, of our country?

01:00:32.140 It's a class system. Part of the thing that, um, part of the thing that bothers me too is,

01:00:38.860 is a simple fact that when we were going through our training to become healthcare professionals,

01:00:46.540 um, we were taught to respect choice. We were taught that we might not agree with somebody's

01:00:54.540 decision regarding their care, but we need to respect it and work around that. We need to include

01:01:01.980 them in their care. It's about including them in their care. They make the decisions. We give them

01:01:08.060 information. They make a decision. It's called informed consent. That's not happening right now.

01:01:13.980 We are not allowed to say no, or I'd like to hold off or, you know, whatever it might be. We are

01:01:25.260 just basically told, this is what you must do. And this is totally contrary to what we have ever

01:01:31.500 been taught. And so, you know, I, it just really bothers me because, um, I, I feel that for me,

01:01:42.060 I have always supported people in their decisions, uh, around their care. Even if I didn't really feel

01:01:47.980 that they were the right decisions, I respected those and I tried to work with them. Um, but this

01:01:52.940 absolutely is not happening now. And that's bothersome to me. And the other thing that's really bothersome to

01:01:57.820 me is the fact that they're going after our children and our grandchildren now. And that

01:02:02.300 for me is a huge issue because the children don't need these shots. Absolutely. It's very apparent that

01:02:09.740 the government has made this very political and it's not about healthcare. It's not about looking

01:02:13.820 after anybody. This is about complying, um, with whatever their nefarious agenda is from, you know,

01:02:21.420 from what I, I've seen, um, you know, it's, they've been reckless, irresponsible,

01:02:28.460 and they need to be held accountable. They don't answer emails. You know, we've, we've called out,

01:02:34.220 we've sent emails, we've been in touch with our MLAs and not even they can get an answer.

01:02:39.420 They're, they're not responding and asking like, you know, Hey, you know, like there's some things

01:02:43.900 going on here that we should probably look at, but they don't, they put the order out and they turn

01:02:47.820 and they walk away. They do not respond to anybody. Do as I say, they're not there to listen to you.

01:02:55.020 And the biggest thing I think is when Bonnie Henry, uh, came out and this is to Bonnie Henry,

01:03:00.620 um, came out and said for healthcare professionals, uh, if you're not getting the shot,

01:03:05.900 there will be consequences. It's a threat. And she has no little patience for you guys. 0.98

01:03:10.780 That's right. And, and I mean, even with Trudeau, you know, there's going to be consequences. Well,

01:03:17.100 you know, I'm sorry, but you work for us. We pay your wage as, as taxpayers, and you need to start

01:03:27.100 telling the truth because enough is enough. That's right. Don't threaten me and my family

01:03:34.460 as a government official. Amen. All right. Well, I want to thank you guys for your bravery. I can tell

01:03:41.180 you this, I speak to many health professionals that haven't been able to do what you're doing.

01:03:47.100 We're seeing more of it right now and we desperately need it. So I just want to applaud you guys for

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Rebel News Podcast - October 30, 2021

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