Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ The Trudeau government moves to regulate the news media

00:00:00.140 Hello, my rebels. Today, I'm going to tell you about a ridiculous acronym. QCJO doesn't exactly 0.93

00:00:07.280 trip off the lips, does it? That stands for Qualified Canadian Journalism Organization.

00:00:12.440 And who qualifies you? Is there like some, I don't know, College of Physicians and Surgeons,

00:00:18.060 but for journalists? Is there some board of experts? No, no, no. Don't be silly.

00:00:23.520 It's Trudeau's government. He's going to decide who's a qualified journalist or not. That's the 0.99

00:00:27.800 qualified part there. I'll go into it with you and give you my thoughts on the subject.

00:00:34.120 I'd like you to see the video version of it. I want you to see Pablo Rodriguez answer some questions.

00:00:38.740 He's the new heritage minister. But to see it, obviously, you need the video version of this

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00:00:46.600 only because you get a lot of good stuff. My daily show in video format, plus weekly shows from four

00:00:52.640 of my colleagues. So that's a lot of stuff for about half the price of Netflix. I encourage you to go

00:00:57.620 there. Plus, I want you to know we rely on that money because we don't take a dime from Trudeau,

00:01:02.440 which is one of the reasons he can't control us. All right, here's to this podcast.

00:01:07.300 Tonight, the Trudeau government moves to regulate the news media. And the only questions the

00:01:28.620 reporters have are, what's in it for me? It's April 6th, and this is The Answer in the Band Show.

00:01:34.060 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:40.060 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:01:44.120 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I'm publishing it is because it's my

00:01:48.720 bloody right to do so.

00:01:49.980 Do you know who Pablo Rodriguez is? He's the new heritage minister taking over from Stephen

00:02:02.120 Gilboa. And what he shares with Stephen Gilboa is that he's a bit of a criminal. I don't know if 0.90

00:02:06.660 you know this, but whereas Stephen Gilboa was arrested and convicted of vandalism, hooliganism,

00:02:14.300 a stunt at the CN Tower in the name of eco-activism, Pablo Rodriguez was actually never prosecuted

00:02:22.340 for drunk driving. He managed to slither his way out of it by playing the political card

00:02:28.720 of a liberal. Some headlines to this effect. It reminds me of when Justin Trudeau said that

00:02:34.180 there was a bit of a criminal charge in the family, and Trudeau's dad made a few phone calls,

00:02:40.620 and the whole thing went away. Remember that story? Yeah, it pays to be a liberal. You get out

00:02:48.140 of the worst pickles, and before you know it, you're a drunk driver in cabinet. That's not my

00:02:52.980 main beef with Pablo Rodriguez, though, but it shows that Justin Trudeau leads by example. I mean,

00:02:58.460 he's been convicted more than any other prime minister in history of violating the Conflict of

00:03:02.600 Interest Act, so he sort of set the moral tone. If he's a lawbreaker, he can't very well keep out

00:03:07.500 Stephen Gilboa and Pablo Rodriguez from cabinet for being lawbreakers, too. And in fact, the fact

00:03:12.800 that they're lawbreakers who are lawmakers is sort of the point, is that these people don't see

00:03:18.520 democracy itself as the end. They see elected office as a means to their own end. In the case of both

00:03:24.980 men, it's radical. Stephen Gilboa believed in censorship very deeply, and now he believes in

00:03:30.360 shutting down the oil sands and all carbon dioxide use. Here he is saying that he supports high

00:03:39.340 prices. There will be no more oil production in Canada. He wants high prices and energy poverty

00:03:44.960 because he wants you to stop using energy.

00:03:48.140 Let's finish on this. Today, the Ontario government became the latest province to cut its share of

00:03:51.880 provincial gas taxes. It will drop by 11 cents a litre starting July 1st for six months to help

00:03:57.380 Ontarians deal with the higher cost of living, and it will have an effect of effectively blunting

00:04:02.860 the increase in the federal carbon tax. So do you support provinces cutting gasoline taxes,

00:04:07.780 or does that undermine the role of and the intent of higher carbon pricing?

00:04:13.680 It does go against our efforts to fight climate change, and we shouldn't lose sight of the fact

00:04:21.320 that, you know, we've gone through a pandemic. There is a terrible crisis happening right now in

00:04:26.300 Ukraine. We're seeing inflation. But all of these crises will go, and climate change will still be

00:04:32.860 there. And climate change is killing people in Canada. 700 deaths last year in B.C. alone related

00:04:39.360 to the heat domes. A 200% increase in heat-related deaths.

00:04:43.460 So you wish provinces were not reducing their gas taxes?

00:04:47.360 Exactly. There are other things that provinces could do to both help customers face inflation,

00:04:53.800 as well as fighting climate change. They're just going for the easy solution, and probably a one

00:04:59.360 that is short-term in terms of political popularity.

00:05:04.800 So that's the environment minister, who used to be the heritage minister. But Pablo Rodriguez,

00:05:09.420 the drunk driver, he is the heritage minister. And besides, from a gorgeous head of hair,

00:05:15.760 he shares Trudeau and Gilbeau's belief in censoring the enemies of the government.

00:05:22.540 Trouble is, there's not a lot of enemies of the government left in Canada. They've all been

00:05:28.100 corrupted. There's two ways to go after an enemy, I suppose. One is the carrot, and one is the stick.

00:05:33.700 And in the case of the stick, Trudeau and his heritage ministers have offered hundreds of millions

00:05:39.380 of dollars in, I don't know, I don't think there's any problem calling them bribes to news organizations.

00:05:45.880 In fact, we revealed a few months ago that prior to the last federal election, Trudeau made an emergency payment

00:05:54.460 of $61 million to different news media companies on the eve of the election, and none of those companies

00:06:02.920 reported that they took the cash. It took an access to information request to get the names of them.

00:06:08.820 We published the name, dozens and dozens of pages. It's hard to believe, but there are 1,500

00:06:15.620 news media companies in Canada that took the payoff from Trudeau. I didn't even know there were 1,500

00:06:22.800 news companies in Canada, but they took the dough. I think Trudeau's brilliant in that way. He doesn't

00:06:29.980 need to nationalize them like the CBC. Have them pretend to be private. Have them pretend to be

00:06:36.460 independent and ask them tough questions and then just pay them a subsidy on an annual basis. That's

00:06:42.720 important too. Keep them on their best behavior because they know they'll have to make the grant

00:06:46.960 request again and again. Don't let them get out of line. You know, it would have taken billions and

00:06:52.640 billions of dollars to buy up and nationalize these media companies, but renting them is far cheaper and

00:07:01.440 it continues the illusion of opposition. But you can't really oppose someone who you rely on for

00:07:08.540 money. We know that. That's why ads in a newspaper are marked as ads so that the reader is aware that

00:07:16.880 someone paid to have you read that. I don't know why we're similarly not marking journalistic reports

00:07:23.940 paid for by Trudeau with that same disclaimer. How can you trust a journalist to report on Trudeau

00:07:30.840 when he's paid by Trudeau? We didn't have an answer to that ever.

00:07:35.320 Well, this has been going on for years and you can see the effect slowly, slowly,

00:07:40.260 slowly. You saw it, for example, during the Trucker Rebellion when the bulk of the mainstream media took the

00:07:48.180 Trudeau narrative that these were violent domestic extremists, terrorists who had to be denounced.

00:07:54.480 And the media party, instead of talking about Trudeau's first ever invocation of the Emergencies Act,

00:08:01.660 agreed with them and were the shrillest voices demanding harsher crackdowns. I've never seen

00:08:07.080 so-called liberal journalists call for police violence before like I did then. But yesterday,

00:08:14.420 Pablo Rodriguez, a drunk driver, announced the next phase of the government regulation of the

00:08:21.380 industry. And again, if this had been done five years ago, as a shock, we're going to nationalize

00:08:26.700 and regulate the industry, you would have seen journalists be appalled. But they've been trained

00:08:31.360 and conditioned over the last few years to be obedient clients of the liberal government. So

00:08:37.300 yesterday, when Pablo Rodriguez had his press conference, he did two things. First of all,

00:08:44.080 he only allowed questions from approved lists of journalists. So any skeptics or critics weren't

00:08:52.000 allowed in. And second of all, I mean, the questions were all technical questions. How will you do this?

00:09:00.360 How will you do that? These were journalists curious about their new workplace rules. It would be like the

00:09:06.880 boss saying, hey, we've got a new staff manual and staff saying, well, what are the vacation policies and

00:09:13.080 what's the lunch break policy? They were just asking for technical details. None of them, not one, expressed shock that the government

00:09:21.000 would dare to regulate the news media, would dare to tell them what the rules are and who is or isn't a journalist. We've long

00:09:29.080 past that moment. These are people who are embracing their role as de facto employees of Ottawa. Here's

00:09:36.520 just one clip from the Q&A just showing, I mean, you've just announced, and I'll get into the details, you've just

00:09:42.440 announced media accreditation done by the government in the country. And these journalists just have technical

00:09:47.880 questions. Now, let me tell you about this new entity, this new acronym that the government has invented. They

00:09:54.760 actually started using this a few years ago. It's alphabet soup like so many government red tape

00:10:01.000 programs. It's called the QCJO. That really rolls off the tongue, doesn't it? That stands for Qualified

00:10:07.800 Canadian Journalism Organization. And who qualifies them? Well, in Canada, journalism is not a formal

00:10:15.160 profession like doctors or engineers or accountants are. And you want your doctors and engineers and your

00:10:21.080 pilots to be accredited. You don't want just anyone flying a plane or engaging in surgery. So there

00:10:26.520 really is a qualification, an exam, standards, professional conduct. There is none for journalism.

00:10:33.560 Journalism isn't a profession. It's an activity. It's like saying you're going jogging. What are your

00:10:39.480 credentials? No, there's no credential to going jogging. It's someone who jogs is a jogger. Just to come up

00:10:45.880 with an example. Journalism is the same way. There's no, I mean, there are journalism schools,

00:10:50.280 just the same way. There's training camps and, you know, you can get a coach to help you run better.

00:10:55.000 But journalism is someone who just writes down what happens during the day. That's the root of

00:10:59.560 the word. You can see it in French, jour, to journalize on the happenings of the day. There is

00:11:04.120 no profession. You can get as many qualifications as you like if that's important to you, if you think

00:11:09.240 you'll learn something. But anyone who reports is a reporter. Anyone who has an opinion is an opinion

00:11:15.480 writer. That's how it is. In fact, every single one of us is a publisher now since the age of the

00:11:20.920 internet and social media. If you're writing something on your Facebook page, on your LinkedIn

00:11:25.800 page, on your Instagram page, you are a journalist. In fact, quite a lot of stories are broken from

00:11:31.080 people who just happen to have a cell phone in their pocket. In the past, only professionals had

00:11:36.200 video cameras on them. It was a very rare thing. You had to run out to get the news. These days,

00:11:40.360 every single one of us is a news reporter. So what does the drunk driver Pablo Rodriguez mean

00:11:46.200 when he says a QCJO, a qualified Canadian journalism organization? Well, he means qualified

00:11:53.880 with the qualities that Trudeau chooses. In other words, he will make a list of who's qualified or not.

00:12:03.720 A politician will do that. Now, one of the first questions that came up, and you can see what's on

00:12:08.520 their mind. One of the accredited journalists said, uh-oh, what are you going to do if Rebel

00:12:15.160 News applies to be a qualified journalist? Here, take a look at that. What are the criteria going to

00:12:20.600 be to determine who is and who isn't a news organization and would say something like Rebel

00:12:26.520 News qualified? Well, don't decide who qualified and who doesn't. Of course, that would be terrible

00:12:33.880 in our democracy. It's not up to the minutes to say, hey, that wouldn't, yeah, that's a good idea.

00:12:37.560 And this one, no, no, not up to the minister or the government to decide who qualifies. There are

00:12:41.560 those criteria that you referred to. Of course, the organizations are already a benefit from the

00:12:48.600 QCJO. So they're engaged in the production of original news content. They employ two or more

00:12:56.360 journalists, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Those criteria are defined there.

00:13:01.480 Gee, we're living rent-free in their head. I'm not sure what journalist that was, but yeah,

00:13:06.120 they all know they want to keep Rebel News out. I mean, it's a perfectly reasonable question because

00:13:12.600 Trudeau is obsessed with banning Rebel News from anything he can. You'll remember in 2019,

00:13:19.240 Trudeau banned Rebel News from sending reporters to the election leadership debates in 2019. We rushed

00:13:26.760 to court. It was an enormous victory. And we asked these questions, which he did not like.

00:13:31.880 Remember these? Have you, your campaign or any other agents secured non-disclosure agreements from

00:13:36.520 anyone about inappropriate sexual personal conduct? No.

00:13:41.480 Follow up. The 2001 yearbook from West Point Grey Academy says that you and convicted sex offender

00:13:47.240 Christopher Ingvoldson made a young student's quote, life at WPGA a lot more interesting slash

00:13:53.240 amusing, end quote. How did you two keep her amused? 0.99

00:13:55.960 We were teachers. Yeah, you can see why he wanted to ban Rebel News because none of the trained,

00:14:04.440 you know, obedient media would dare ask those questions. And I don't care if you like those

00:14:08.280 questions or not. They were all fair and they were put fairly. And actually, frankly, Trudeau answered

00:14:12.920 all the questions to his credit. That was in 2019. He answered them. You would just never have those

00:14:18.840 kind of questions because you would never ask someone who's giving you an allowance prickly questions like

00:14:24.440 that. It's just contrary to your own survival as journalists. So that was in 2019. And we had a

00:14:29.720 great victory in the federal court when they tried to keep us out. But that also gave the government

00:14:33.560 two years to sort of study how to keep us out. They read the court ruling in 2019 where the federal

00:14:39.000 court explained why he wasn't going to obey Trudeau and ban us, how he was going to overturn Trudeau's

00:14:45.640 decision. The judge said a number of things that the decision was delegated to an outside party,

00:14:51.800 that proper reasons weren't given. The rules weren't published in advance. We didn't have an

00:14:55.880 opportunity to appeal. It was just a two line explanation. The judge said, here's five reasons

00:15:01.000 why we're not keeping out Rebel News. I'm ordering them in. So for two years, Trudeau hired expensive

00:15:05.800 law firms to study that ruling and to come up with a new way to keep Rebel News out in 2021.

00:15:11.080 And as sure as night follows day, we were kept out in 2021 and we went to court again. And I was a

00:15:16.200 little pessimistic because, of course, they didn't have a two line explanation. They had an 11 page

00:15:21.880 explanation why we weren't allowed in. They had a detailed set of rules they applied. They studied

00:15:28.840 the reasons, but it was a bit of a legal miracle. And we won and we were allowed in again.

00:15:32.920 This time, Trudeau was so furious, he refused to even acknowledge that we were journalists,

00:15:39.320 even though the federal court said we were mere hours before. Remember this,

00:15:43.080 when Tamera Ugolini asked a question. Trudeau hates women who get on his wrong side. I don't

00:15:48.360 know if you noticed that, whether it's Jody Wilson-Raybould or Selena Cesar Chavanis.

00:15:53.480 Here's Tamera Ugolini. Oh, Trudeau was furious that he was embarrassed by a woman. Take a look.

00:15:58.920 Mr. Trudeau, the only reason that I'm allowed to ask you this question is because today the federal

00:16:05.640 court ruled that the government doesn't have the right to determine who is or is not a journalist.

00:16:11.080 This is the second election in a row that the court had to overturn your government.

00:16:16.120 Do you still insist on being able to make that decision and why?

00:16:21.880 First of all, questions around accreditation were handled by

00:16:25.560 the press gallery and the consortium of networks who have strong perspectives on quality journalism

00:16:33.400 and the important information that is shared with Canadians.

00:16:38.520 The reality is organizations, organizations like yours that continue to spread misinformation and

00:16:48.600 disinformation on the science around vaccines, around how we're going to actually get through

00:16:56.040 this pandemic and be there for each other and keep our kids safe is part of why we're seeing such

00:17:03.720 unfortunate anger and lack of understanding of basic science. And quite frankly, your,

00:17:11.480 I won't call it a media organization, your group of individuals need to take accountability for some

00:17:20.760 of the polarization that we're seeing in this country. And I think Canadians are cluing into the fact that

00:17:28.840 there is a really important decision we take about the kind of country we want to see. And I salute all

00:17:35.720 extraordinary hardworking journalists that put science and facts at the heart of what they do and ask me

00:17:42.360 tough questions every day, but make sure that they are educating and informing Canadians from a broad range

00:17:50.440 of perspectives, which is the last thing that you guys do.

00:17:55.480 That was great by Tamara. Another strong woman, Alexa Lavois, was actually there and asked Trudeau this question 0.98

00:18:00.840 in Francais. Here it is translated. Wonderful question. The most important question, the only real

00:18:05.640 question of the night, by the way, asking why the government will not accept natural immunity, people

00:18:11.960 who get sick from the virus and recover naturally, that have strong natural immunity, why that doesn't count

00:18:17.160 in vaccine passports. It's a great question because it counts in other countries from Israel to the

00:18:21.800 United Kingdom. That was the only interesting question that night, really, because the rest were from

00:18:26.120 bought-and-paid-for journalists. Trudeau refused to answer. Remember this?

00:18:30.200 Bonjour, M. Trudeau. Alexandre pour Rebelle News. Donc, M. Trudeau, je vais revenir rapidement sur ce qui s'est passé hier.

00:18:37.000 Vous avez déabolisé l'un des rares médias qui ne reçoit pas d'argent du gouvernement. Vous avez exprimé votre opinion

00:18:44.680 en disant que nous propageons la désinformation. Si c'était vrai, et si c'était le cas, la Cour fédérale ne nous aurait pas permis d'être ici aujourd'hui.

00:18:54.360 Je suis moi-même scientifique et je me base sur les faits. Ma question est la suivante.

00:19:00.360 L'Israël est l'un des pays les plus vaccinés au monde. Ils sont rendus maintenant à leur quatrième rappel de vaccin.

00:19:08.360 Ils ne considèrent plus que ceux qui ont reçu deux doses de vaccin sont pleinement vaccinés.

00:19:14.360 Ma question est, plusieurs Canadiens ne désirent pas avoir un rappel de vaccin.

00:19:24.360 Allez-vous leur enlever leurs privilèges reliés au passeport vaccinal?

00:19:32.360 Et aurez-vous l'obligence de répondre à ma question en tant que premier ministre, ou allez-vous encore diaboliser mon média?

00:19:41.360 J'ai partagé ma perspective sur ton organisation hier soir. J'ai plus rien à dire.

00:19:46.360 Ça demande bien qui vous faisiez. Merci.

00:19:49.360 Yeah, again, just hours after a federal court said we are indeed journalists, Trudeau said we're not.

00:19:55.360 So here we are again with Pablo Rodriguez saying that he has invented something called the Qualified Canadian Journalist Organization, the Journalism Organization.

00:20:03.360 Again, that was actually a status that was developed a couple of years ago.

00:20:07.360 You can see that the media are obsessed with keeping Rebel News out of the club.

00:20:12.360 But did you see the answer from Pablo Rodriguez?

00:20:15.360 Let me play that again for you. It's very quick. Take a look.

00:20:20.360 Well, don't decide who qualifies and who doesn't.

00:20:23.360 Of course, that would be terrible in our democracy.

00:20:26.360 It's not up to the minister to say, hey, yeah, that's a good idea in this one.

00:20:29.360 No, no, not up to the minister or the government to decide who qualifies.

00:20:32.360 There are those criteria that you refer to.

00:20:35.360 Of course, there are the organizations are already a benefit from the QCGO.

00:20:40.360 So they're engaged in the production of original news content.

00:20:45.360 They employ two or more journalists, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

00:20:50.360 Those those critters are defined there.

00:20:53.360 Pablo Rodriguez is shocked, shocked that you would think the liberal government would get involved in keeping out Rebel News.

00:21:03.360 Oh, that's crazy. That's crazy.

00:21:08.360 No, they're just going to delegate that decision to their handpicked committee. 0.85

00:21:13.360 How dare you say that the handpicked committee handpicked by Trudeau will make a decision that Trudeau would want them to do.

00:21:20.360 It's such a laugh. But you can see that the journalists are just obediently writing it down.

00:21:25.360 They're not actual journalists anymore.

00:21:27.360 If you are a journalist who takes government money, you that there's an adjective in front of your name.

00:21:33.360 There's a there's a qualifier.

00:21:34.360 It's your conditional journalists.

00:21:36.360 You're a government journalist, a rented journalist, a paid journalist, a subsidized journalist, a qualified journalist.

00:21:42.360 You put an adjective in front of the word journalist and you've pretty much negated journalists because the essence of a journalist is independence.

00:21:49.360 Otherwise, you're not into journalism.

00:21:51.360 You're into advertising.

00:21:52.360 We know you mark an ad as an ad.

00:21:55.360 So what will all this QCJO business mean?

00:21:59.360 Now, I'll tell you a little bit more tomorrow.

00:22:00.360 I got a story for you.

00:22:01.360 I'm going to keep till tomorrow.

00:22:02.360 But for today, it means that Pablo Rodriguez and Justin Trudeau are going to take two big American companies, Facebook and Google, and force them to subsidize these QCJOs. 0.95

00:22:18.360 The thinking being that a lot of advertising these days is not done in newspapers or TV stations.

00:22:24.360 It's done on the Internet because you can very much target people.

00:22:28.360 It's really what's for sale.

00:22:31.360 The reason Facebook is free to you as a user is because you're the product being sold.

00:22:35.360 Facebook knows everything about you, knows who your friends are, knows what you write in private messages, knows the bands you like, the food you like, sees your photos.

00:22:43.360 Facebook knows more than you about you because you've forgotten some things about you.

00:22:47.360 You've forgotten what you wrote five years ago.

00:22:49.360 You've forgotten, you know, what you read five years ago.

00:22:54.360 Facebook never forgets and has this mass of data about you.

00:22:58.360 So it can sell things to you.

00:23:00.360 That's why Facebook and Google make so much money and people prefer to advertise there because they know all your secrets.

00:23:06.360 So the liberals are going to commandeer these companies and force them to subsidize news companies, which for the privilege of linking them, which is weird because as a news publisher myself, I can tell you, you like when you're ranked highly on Google.

00:23:21.360 You like when you're shared on Facebook.

00:23:23.360 That's what drives traffic to you.

00:23:25.360 That's what gives you advertising and eyeballs.

00:23:29.360 So although Facebook and YouTube do presumably make some money by sending traffic to you, you're the main beneficiary.

00:23:36.360 And we know that because most media advertise paid advertise on YouTube and Google and Facebook.

00:23:43.360 Anyway, so this QCJO system is Justin Trudeau and Pablo Rodriguez forcing Facebook, YouTube, Google to pay money to Canadian journalists, but only to the qualified Canadian journalists.

00:24:01.360 And there's this whole complex system.

00:24:03.360 I mean, imagine trying to regulate the media.

00:24:05.360 Imagine how intricate and arcane and like a Rube Goldberg machine that is.

00:24:10.360 Just listen to this for a minute.

00:24:12.360 I mean, the complexity, the red tape, the room for corruption, the room for subjectivity, the number of people who are going to make a living being barnacles, being being a kind of parasite on the actual system.

00:24:24.360 It's incredible.

00:24:25.360 Only a government could come up with something so baffling.

00:24:28.360 Take a look.

00:24:29.360 Oh, we had we had many discussions with Google and Facebook.

00:24:32.360 I personally met with them.

00:24:35.360 And there were very open, frank discussions now that the bill is stable.

00:24:40.360 They will have all the details.

00:24:41.360 I'm really looking forward to subsequent conversations with them.

00:24:45.360 They know my door is always open.

00:24:47.360 They were open to regulations now.

00:24:50.360 Are there things they agree or disagree on the bill?

00:24:52.360 We'll know in future conversations.

00:24:53.360 But I have to say that those conversations were very frank, honest and very, I would say nice.

00:24:59.360 Yeah.

00:25:00.360 So instead of journalists being morally outraged that Pablo Rodriguez and Justin Trudeau are nationalizing not just the news media industry, but the social media industry, they've got technical questions.

00:25:10.360 They really, really care about it.

00:25:11.360 Of course not.

00:25:12.360 It's like they're employees of the government already.

00:25:14.360 They're just curious what the new employment rules are.

00:25:17.360 I want to show you something, though, because not only are Trudeau and Rodriguez and others trying to basically have a great train robbery and take hundreds of millions or billions of dollars out of YouTube and Google and Facebook.

00:25:30.360 And by the way, I mean, I despise those companies.

00:25:32.360 They're oligarchs.

00:25:33.360 They violate your privacy.

00:25:35.360 They're very woke.

00:25:36.360 They're censors. 0.97

00:25:37.360 I despise them.

00:25:38.360 But I don't believe in robbing them to pay my reporter friends.

00:25:43.360 But look at this.

00:25:44.360 I think this is perhaps one of the scariest things yesterday.

00:25:47.360 Pablo Rodriguez will let the CRTC manage and regulate these tech companies, which is terrible.

00:25:54.360 They don't have the skills.

00:25:56.360 All they know is a hammer.

00:25:57.360 They're very censorious.

00:25:58.360 But if these social media companies, Facebook, YouTube, Google, Twitter, whatever, if they publish fake news, they're subject to a fine by the government of Canada.

00:26:09.360 So now the government isn't just determining who is or isn't a journalist.

00:26:13.360 The government of Canada is now determining what is or isn't true.

00:26:18.360 What is or isn't a reasonable opinion.

00:26:23.360 And they're not just coming up with an opinion on it.

00:26:27.360 They will punish these social media companies with up to a 15 million dollar fine.

00:26:36.360 Take a look.

00:26:37.360 As a follow up to that, I would love to hear you expand on the kind of disciplinary action they would face if they do in fact favor those kinds of that kind of content over news.

00:26:52.360 But I do have actually a separate question.

00:26:55.360 I was hoping that you could speak a little bit more to the decision to put the CRTC in the role of regulator.

00:27:02.360 I know you told Boris that it's because of their experience in sort of the broadcasting world.

00:27:07.360 But one thing that we've heard repeatedly from experts, including a former CRTC vice chair, is that they are not really that well equipped to regulate social media as their expertise more so lies in the broadcast realm.

00:27:22.360 So how do you respond to those criticisms, especially in light of the fairly significant role that this legislation gives them?

00:27:29.360 Okay, Rachel, the first answer to the first question is 15 million dollars when they do something like that.

00:27:37.360 So that's the clear penalty and it's written in the law.

00:27:40.360 The second one about the CRTC, as I said, they do have experience in arbitration in the broadcasting space.

00:27:50.360 We've seen them in the past between big companies negotiating.

00:27:53.360 But even in this case, their role is very soft compared to what they do elsewhere.

00:27:59.360 Because whenever they go to final arbitration, it's not the CRTC that will be the arbitrator.

00:28:04.360 There will be a group of people, experts, arbitrators, that are chosen, accepted by the two sides.

00:28:12.360 And three of them will be chosen to arbitrate the discussion.

00:28:19.360 So it's really, really, really independent.

00:28:22.360 So you've got these QCJOs, these government journalists, and they're going to get the hundreds of millions of dollars stolen from Facebook, Google, YouTube, etc.

00:28:31.360 But that's not enough because if something slips through from some unqualified journalist, independent journalist, well, that's even worse.

00:28:40.360 If you dare to have an opinion that's not qualified, YouTube, Google, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram will smash you.

00:28:49.360 Because if they don't smash you, they will be smashed.

00:28:52.360 Let's say you're some intern working for Facebook and someone writes a post on the pandemic and says something they shouldn't.

00:28:59.360 Says maybe ivermectin could work or maybe the vaccines don't work or maybe we should look more into the Wuhan lab.

00:29:06.360 Those are all real questions.

00:29:07.360 Whatever the answers are, they're questions.

00:29:09.360 But you're not allowed to have a narrative contrary to the official one.

00:29:12.360 That's fake news according to the official fact checkers.

00:29:18.360 Will Facebook really allow that on their page if it means a $15 million risk?

00:29:22.360 Put yourself in the position of a junior staffer looking over some post.

00:29:28.360 Are you going to risk a $15 million fine if you get it wrong by putting it up?

00:29:33.360 Or if you're just going to take it down and what's the harm?

00:29:36.360 Some grassroots citizen is silenced.

00:29:38.360 What do you care?

00:29:40.360 That's what's terrifying.

00:29:42.360 If Stephen Harper did this, if Stephen Harper decided to regulate the Internet and punish wrong think with $15 million fines,

00:29:50.360 do you think the media questions would have been the way they are?

00:29:54.360 If Trump had done that, do you think it would be the way they are?

00:29:59.360 Hey, I got another question for you and I'll tell you more about this in the days ahead.

00:30:04.360 Do you think when they crafted this, this attack on social media and social media basically means the sharing sites, the user generated sites like YouTube is a big one.

00:30:14.360 Twitter is a big one.

00:30:16.360 You know, I counted up the other day amongst all the different social media platforms, including Twitter and Instagram and some of the smaller ones like Getter and Gab and Parler and all that.

00:30:26.360 I'm not sure if we're on Gab, but we're on a lot of these sites.

00:30:29.360 Between our official company accounts and our journalists, we have more than five million followers on social media, a million and a half on YouTube alone, hundreds of thousands.

00:30:43.360 I have a third of a million followers on Twitter.

00:30:46.360 Do you think just maybe there's a chance that we were on the politicians minds when they crafted this rule?

00:30:56.360 We saw from the question in the scrum that we're certainly on the minds of rival journalists.

00:31:00.360 They hate us.

00:31:01.360 They're excited to see us be banned.

00:31:03.360 But do you think we're on the minds of Trudeau too?

00:31:06.360 Well, here's a little flashback.

00:31:08.360 Trudeau talking about us on the floor of the House of Commons.

00:31:12.360 Mr. Speaker, in a question about sensitizing journalists, he's quoting rebel media talking points.

00:31:19.360 Mr. Speaker, we are going to continue to stand up for immigration, knowing that defending diversity as a source of strength and welcoming people through a rigorous immigration system from around the world is what has made Canada strong.

00:31:32.360 And indeed, something the world needs more of, not less of like they want to bring in.

00:31:37.360 Ahmed Hassan read literally word for word the same thing.

00:31:40.360 It's almost like they're obsessed.

00:31:42.360 I think they are obsessed because as we learn from the Ash conformity tests in the 60s and 70s, I'm not sure when that test was.

00:31:51.360 If the whole world says you're crazy, it's hard to say, no, I'm not.

00:31:58.360 But if there's a single other person who says, no, no, I'm with you.

00:32:05.360 We're not crazy.

00:32:06.360 They are.

00:32:07.360 Your pressure to conform plummets.

00:32:10.360 Let me just show you a quick clip from the Ash conformity test.

00:32:14.360 Here's this video.

00:32:15.360 I'm going to let it play for about a minute and a half just to remind you of the power of seeing a single other person agreeing with you.

00:32:23.360 Take a look.

00:32:24.360 Taking part in today involves the perception of lengths of lines.

00:32:28.360 As you can see here, I have a number of cards and on each card there are several lines.

00:32:33.360 Your task is a very simple one.

00:32:35.360 You're to look at the line on the left and determine which of the three lines on the right is equal to it in length.

00:32:40.360 All right, we'll proceed in this order.

00:32:42.360 You'll give your answer.

00:32:43.360 Only one of the people in the group is a real subject, the fifth person with the white T-shirt.

00:32:48.360 The others are confederates of the experimenter and have been told to give wrong answers on some of the trials.

00:32:54.360 The experiment begins uneventfully as subjects give their judgments.

00:32:58.360 Two.

00:32:59.360 Two.

00:33:00.360 Two.

00:33:01.360 Two.

00:33:02.360 Two.

00:33:03.360 Two.

00:33:04.360 Three.

00:33:05.360 Three.

00:33:06.360 Three.

00:33:07.360 Three.

00:33:08.360 Three.

00:33:09.360 Three.

00:33:10.360 But on the third trial, something happens.

00:33:12.360 Two.

00:33:13.360 Two.

00:33:14.360 Two.

00:33:15.360 Two.

00:33:16.360 Two.

00:33:17.360 Two.

00:33:18.360 Two.

00:33:19.360 Two.

00:33:20.360 Two.

00:33:21.360 The subject denies the evidence of his own eyes and yields to group influence.

00:33:27.360 One.

00:33:28.360 Ash found subjects went along with the group on 37% of the critical trials.

00:33:34.360 One.

00:33:35.360 But he found through interviews that they went along with the group for different reasons.

00:33:39.360 One.

00:33:40.360 One.

00:33:41.360 They must be right.

00:33:43.360 There are four of them and one of me.

00:33:45.360 One.

00:33:46.360 One.

00:33:47.360 This subject's yielding is based on a distortion of his judgment.

00:33:51.360 He genuinely believes that the group is correct.

00:33:54.360 One.

00:33:55.360 One.

00:33:56.360 One.

00:33:57.360 One.

00:33:58.360 One.

00:33:59.360 Two.

00:34:00.360 One.

00:34:01.360 Two.

00:34:02.360 One.

00:34:03.360 Two.

00:34:04.360 Two.

00:34:05.360 Two.

00:34:06.360 Two.

00:34:07.360 Two.

00:34:08.360 Two.

00:34:09.360 Two.

00:34:10.360 Two.

00:34:11.360 I know they're wrong, but why should I make waves?

00:34:14.360 Two.

00:34:15.360 In this case, the subject knows he is right, but goes along to avoid the discomfort of disagreeing

00:34:19.360 with the group.

00:34:20.360 Two.

00:34:21.360 I love that video so much.

00:34:22.360 And both that ash conformity test and the Milgram experiment where people in a lab coat 0.93

00:34:28.360 tell others to inflict pain on someone.

00:34:30.360 And most people would say, okay, if you'll take responsibility.

00:34:33.360 But that's the Milgram experiment.

00:34:35.360 But that ash conformity test I think is so powerful. 0.98

00:34:38.360 Did you catch that part?

00:34:41.360 37% of people say a lie that they know to be a lie just to go along if everyone else

00:34:50.360 is going along with it.

00:34:51.360 But if you have one other person in the room who says, no, no, no, that's a lie.

00:34:56.360 The conformity falls to 5%.

00:34:59.360 Nothing is more powerful to pushing back against a dominant narrative that's a lie other than

00:35:06.360 even just a single other person.

00:35:10.360 And that's my theory about why Justin Trudeau and Pablo Rodriguez and Stephen Gilbeau and

00:35:17.360 frankly the rest of the media party hate Rebel News so much.

00:35:20.360 Although I think we're big and mighty and we had an amazing coverage of the Trucker Rebellion.

00:35:26.360 We had a year's worth of traffic in one month.

00:35:29.360 We're still small compared to the CBC and CTV and Global.

00:35:32.360 We're not in every household like they are.

00:35:34.360 We're not forced into every basic cable package in Canada.

00:35:37.360 We don't have a press run of a million a day like the Toronto Star does.

00:35:41.360 So why would they be worried about little old us?

00:35:44.360 We're not that little anymore.

00:35:45.360 But compared to the other guys, we're a drop in the bucket.

00:35:49.360 Well, it's the ash conformity test.

00:35:52.360 Because our wonderful team of 60 staff, we've got 60 people now.

00:35:57.360 About half of them are journalists.

00:35:59.360 The other half do video editing and a lot of behind the scenes work.

00:36:03.360 But every time a Rebel News video goes up, it's saying to Canadians, you're not alone.

00:36:11.360 You're not crazy.

00:36:12.360 We are going down a bad path, whether it's the lockdownism or censorship or Trudeau's imposition of the former martial law.

00:36:20.360 When Rebel News says, no, this is wrong.

00:36:24.360 Millions of Canadians can say, OK, good.

00:36:27.360 I know I'm not alone.

00:36:29.360 It's the ash conformity test.

00:36:31.360 And that is why they must destroy us.

00:36:38.360 Do you think Rebel News is considered a qualified Canadian journalism organization?

00:36:47.360 Well, we're an organization.

00:36:49.360 We're Canadian.

00:36:51.360 We're journalistic.

00:36:52.360 We do a lot of journalism.

00:36:54.360 But that Q part.

00:36:57.360 Do you think Trudeau would qualify us as a QCJO?

00:37:04.360 Think about that.

00:37:05.360 And I'll have more to say on this subject in the days ahead.

00:37:08.360 Stay with us.

00:37:09.360 An interview with Mark Morano is next.

00:37:11.360 Noam Chomsky is an American icon of the left.

00:37:26.360 Certainly when I was growing up, his books like Manufacturing Consent, he was a little bit of a conspiracy theorist,

00:37:31.360 but a lot of his conspiracies sort of became true and got worse, actually, media concentration.

00:37:37.360 He was worried about the U.S. military industrial complex and the CIA, condemned American foreign policy.

00:37:43.360 But you could tell he was a passionate believer in the democratic system.

00:37:47.360 He was a man of the far left, that's for sure.

00:37:50.360 One of the things I admire about him, even though I think that he is so far to the left,

00:37:54.360 I think he's wrong how extreme he is.

00:37:57.360 I'll give him this.

00:37:58.360 He's a debater.

00:37:59.360 He's for free speech.

00:38:01.360 And even in the early days of Rebel News, before we were even in an office,

00:38:05.360 we were working out of a hotel boardroom.

00:38:07.360 He spent a half hour with me in a kind of interview debate.

00:38:11.360 You can still find that on our Rebel News site.

00:38:15.360 Whereas today's liberals and leftists wouldn't give a platform to anyone.

00:38:20.360 They don't believe in debate.

00:38:21.360 They believe in destroying their opponents.

00:38:23.360 So I have a bit of a soft spot for Noam Chomsky,

00:38:26.360 even though he is, I think, by some measures, a communist.

00:38:29.360 But he said a very interesting thing in a video that the New Statesman published,

00:38:35.360 and we'll show it to you in a second.

00:38:37.360 And he says that we are the greatest risk in world history.

00:38:43.360 Our safety and survival is never at a greater risk.

00:38:46.360 And I assume he was talking about the war in Ukraine.

00:38:50.360 Well, here, take a look at Noam Chomsky.

00:38:52.360 Look at this.

00:38:53.360 We're approaching the most dangerous point in human history.

00:38:59.360 The first article I wrote, at least that I can remember, was in fifth grade.

00:39:06.360 I was 10 years old.

00:39:08.360 I can date it very easily because of the time and the topic.

00:39:12.360 It was an article about the fall of Barcelona.

00:39:15.360 It was an article for the elementary school newspaper.

00:39:20.360 I was the editor, probably the only reader, maybe my mother.

00:39:25.360 The article I hardly remember.

00:39:27.360 It was about the fall of Austria, fall of Czechoslovakia, fall of Toledo.

00:39:34.360 Now the fall of Barcelona.

00:39:37.360 Looks like the grim cloud of fascism is spreading over the whole world, inexorable.

00:39:44.360 Well, that was February 1939.

00:39:49.360 I haven't changed my opinion since.

00:39:52.360 It's just gotten worse.

00:39:55.360 The doomsday clock of the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists under Trump.

00:40:02.360 They abandoned minutes.

00:40:04.360 Moved to seconds.

00:40:06.360 Hundred seconds to midnight.

00:40:08.360 That's where it is now.

00:40:10.360 Because the threats are accumulating.

00:40:13.360 We're approaching the most dangerous point in human history.

00:40:19.360 Nothing like it before.

00:40:21.360 We are now facing the prospect of destruction of organized human life on Earth from environmental destruction and not in the remote future.

00:40:36.360 We are approaching irreversible turning points which cannot be dealt with any longer.

00:40:49.360 It doesn't mean everybody's going to die, but it's going to mean moving to a future in which the lucky ones will be those who die more quickly. 0.98

00:41:01.360 Well, there's a lot in there.

00:41:02.360 The first thing, and I was thinking about it for half the time, was that he was writing in grade five when I think he said he was 10 years old about the fall of Barcelona and the rise of fascism across Europe.

00:41:14.360 That would have been a very interesting grade five child.

00:41:19.360 And when he says that he was the only one who read his paper other than his mom, I agree with him there. 0.89

00:41:23.360 He's a character.

00:41:25.360 He's a pessimist.

00:41:27.360 He's a skeptic.

00:41:28.360 I would even say he's an expert on certain things.

00:41:31.360 But of all the things he said we're going to die from, and the lucky will be the ones who die quickly, you look around the world today, whether it's global corporations, big pharma, surveillance, state, social credit, Chinese style, debanking, deplatforming, possible nuclear war in Ukraine.

00:41:51.360 All those things, the thing that Noam Chomsky, expert on, I don't know, information and global politics, the thing he chooses to be the most scared of is global warming.

00:42:07.360 Joining us now to talk about this is our friend Mark Marano, the boss of ClimateDepot.com.

00:42:12.360 Mark, I did not expect that.

00:42:14.360 I thought he was going to talk about NATO or a post-American world or the emerging corporate surveillance state.

00:42:23.360 But he's worried about global warming.

00:42:26.360 Yes, and he has been actually for quite some time, Ezra.

00:42:29.360 First of all, most of his fame in the intellectual left and in the media and in sort of progressives has been since the Vietnam War.

00:42:36.360 He's a protest guy, hated Reagan, hated the Vietnam War, hated drafts, was a hero to many of those anti-war protesters, which is all fine and good.

00:42:45.360 He billed himself as an anti-fascist, as a, you know, fighting the powers that be.

00:42:52.360 The problem now, and I see the same problem that runs through Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

00:42:56.360 It just baffles my mind.

00:42:58.360 The guy's phenomenal, recognizes the World Health Organization, recognizes all that stuff.

00:43:03.360 But then when it comes to climate, there's a blind spot.

00:43:06.360 And somehow, all the criticism they gave of everything, they somehow accept Green New Deal style, United Nations, all the same stuff.

00:43:14.360 So what Noam Chomsky has said, first of all, just on COVID, he said wearing a mask, refusing to wear a mask is the equivalent of taking an assault rifle to a grocery store.

00:43:25.360 He said Trump's denial of climate change was worse threat to humanity than Hitler.

00:43:30.360 He said this a few years ago.

00:43:32.360 Here's some of the things Noam Chomsky's known for.

00:43:34.360 He said that Biden on climate is further left than any Democratic candidate in memory.

00:43:39.360 And that's absolutely true, because Biden is much further to the left than that.

00:43:44.360 But what's interesting about Noam Chomsky is he's had that same blind spot.

00:43:49.360 He will tell you that we're going to die from climate change.

00:43:52.360 He will tell you that unmaskers are essentially committing assault.

00:43:55.360 He will tell you Trump is Hitler for climate denial.

00:43:58.360 But at the same time, he wants to empower this sort of permanent one party state that's going to strip away all of our freedoms.

00:44:06.360 And it just doesn't make sense for a guy who was against the powers that be against the Pentagon, against the man, against the draft, against the, you know, the Pentagon, you know, Pentagon war machine.

00:44:21.360 This is where he's come to.

00:44:23.360 It doesn't make any sense.

00:44:24.360 Yeah, I find it very strange.

00:44:26.360 I mean, I look around the world today and there are some very dangerous things.

00:44:30.360 I mean, I am worried about, you know, Ukraine spilling over into something larger. 0.89

00:44:35.360 I think cooler heads will prevail, but not for the lack of drum beats of war.

00:44:39.360 You'd think that that would be Noam Chomsky's key thing.

00:44:42.360 You'd think that concentrate.

00:44:44.360 I mean, forget he wrote a book called Manufacturing Consent about the concentration of TV and radio newspapers.

00:44:49.360 And I get it. And there's something to be said about it.

00:44:51.360 But now we don't have dozens of newspapers.

00:44:54.360 We have like three companies, Google, YouTube, Facebook and Twitter.

00:45:01.360 And I'm pretty much done.

00:45:03.360 So you would think that if he was alarmed about, you know, a handful of companies controlling newspapers, well, what about the panopticon of these social media companies owned by oligarchs who have a messiah conflict?

00:45:16.360 Well, he's not worried about Bill Gates.

00:45:18.360 He's not worried about big data.

00:45:20.360 That's the fear.

00:45:21.360 That's where if we need a Noam Chomsky, and I don't know if we do, but if we do, we need it to fight back against the total surveillance state, total censorship machine.

00:45:32.360 And you want to talk about fascism.

00:45:34.360 One of the definitions of fascism is the merger of big government and big business.

00:45:38.360 That's an element to it.

00:45:40.360 State control of corporations.

00:45:42.360 Oh, my God.

00:45:43.360 We've never, you know, we've never had it worse.

00:45:45.360 And he wants to talk about global warming.

00:45:48.360 I just find that bizarre.

00:45:50.360 And I'm not saying stick in your lane.

00:45:53.360 I'm just saying it's weird that he's not sticking in his lane.

00:45:56.360 He's not.

00:45:57.360 And here's the thing is, everything you just said, if this were Noam Chomsky of consistent of the old Noam Chomsky going after, you know, the military industrial complex of the war machine, he would come out.

00:46:08.360 And first of all, he would have been against the code lockdowns and the mandates.

00:46:12.360 He would have been against emergency declarations.

00:46:14.360 Because any student of history, you can go back to the Roman Republic, the descent of the Roman Republic into the Roman Empire happened to abuse of emergency power declarations.

00:46:23.360 Emergency declarations used in the Middle Ages to further crush people.

00:46:27.360 Emergency declarations used in 1933 Germany.

00:46:30.360 Emergency declaration used after 9-11 to give us the Patriot Act and the mass surveillance state.

00:46:35.360 Any big tech censorship is government censorship.

00:46:39.360 And this is what's missing from Noam Chomsky.

00:46:42.360 He just wants sort of like this big government style crushing of industry and civil liberties and freedom because we have to fight global warming and the Republican Party, he said, is the greatest threat because of their view on climate.

00:46:55.360 So he doesn't make any sense.

00:46:57.360 And if you actually were a progressive, worried about the old classic liberal anyway, worried about human freedom, Noam Chomsky is tone deaf.

00:47:05.360 Noam Chomsky has changed channels years ago.

00:47:07.360 And even left wing figures like Jimmy Gore, a former comedian, but he's also from the Young Turks, has done a whole show with Max Blumenthal on this.

00:47:18.360 And they talked about the Noam Chomsky of old was against the power.

00:47:21.360 But they speculated that it's not really he's against the power.

00:47:25.360 He's against the power that he's not aligned with.

00:47:28.360 And if you think back, his rise to fame was during the Nixon administration.

00:47:32.360 And that was the Republican war machine Pentagon.

00:47:37.360 And I think part of it now is the reason he doesn't oppose this corporate fascism is because the progressive left that he's a member of controls corporate America.

00:47:46.360 I would argue that it's actually corporate America controlling government and the woke activists controlling corporate America.

00:47:52.360 And you're absolutely right, Ezra, as we were protecting against big government these last 40 years, they slipped in essentially the collusion of big government and corporation.

00:48:02.360 And that's what we're dealing with now.

00:48:03.360 And that's our greatest threat through emergency declarations.

00:48:06.360 They want to declare a climate emergency.

00:48:08.360 They want to declare they've already declared the COVID emergency.

00:48:11.360 We've already seen the terrorism.

00:48:13.360 Every time this emergency comes, our freedoms go out the drain.

00:48:16.360 If Noam Chomsky were relevant, that would be his topic today.

00:48:20.360 It's not going on like it's, you know, to the year 2000 about global warming, which, you know, frankly, by the way, this new UN report, the UK Guardian is lamenting.

00:48:30.360 There's literally almost zero media coverage of it.

00:48:33.360 The new UN report saying now or never, which my answer was great.

00:48:36.360 Never.

00:48:37.360 We'll never fight.

00:48:38.360 Let's never fight global warming.

00:48:40.360 You know, it's funny you mentioned RFK Junior, the Democracy Fund, which is sort of our friends and it's a nonprofit, hosted RFK Junior just last week.

00:48:52.360 And to hear him talk about how emergency laws and rules and regulations were imposed on America, it was actually beautiful to hear in the best tradition of what a Kennedy is.

00:49:06.360 You know, democratic processes, checks and balances, public hearings.

00:49:11.360 You know, to listen to RFK Junior describe how democracy is supposed to work, regs are supposed to work and how none of them.

00:49:19.360 He gave the example of a kayak company ordered to put masks on its customers and say, well, yeah, they're going to drown if they're wearing masks.

00:49:27.360 And he just said the absurdity and there was no chance to publish the regs and oppose them.

00:49:33.360 Like just to listen to RFK Junior talk about how the democracy that he and his family have been a part of for 70 years is violated.

00:49:42.360 I found it actually inspiring. And I never thought I would say that in my life about about a Kennedy.

00:49:47.360 Now, you're right. I mean, he's an environmentalist, but frankly, most of his environmental work has been very specific, clean water and things like that, as opposed to, you know, abstractions and scientific absurdities like let's stop the entire Earth from extremely gradually emerging from the last ice age.

00:50:07.360 So I'm not here as an RFK defender, but to spend an hour with him, as we did last week, he gets it about democracy.

00:50:15.980 He loves democracy. I'm going to say this. Robert F. Kennedy Junior, he's to my left, obviously.

00:50:19.940 But my God, he sees that democracy is in crisis. And he used the word turnkey totalitarianism.

00:50:25.540 He said once all these big government, big business systems are in place, they lock together. You can't get out.

00:50:30.860 I see a lot more in common with RFK Jr. than Noam Chomsky, who just feels like he he hasn't caught up with the threat of our generation.

00:50:39.680 Yes. Actually, I have publicly forgiven Robert F. Kennedy Junior.

00:50:44.880 When I interviewed him in 2014 at the New York Climate City March, he actually said he wanted to jail CEOs, climate skeptic politicians at The Hague with all other world criminals with three square meals in a cot.

00:50:55.880 Now, because of Robert F. Kennedy Junior's outspokenness on the vax mandates and lockdowns and masks, I publicly forgave him and said all is forgiven.

00:51:04.740 But I still wonder, he talks about bureaucratic capture at the EPA, but doesn't he see essentially the bureaucratic, the capture of our government agencies by a woke mob, by academia, by foundation funding, and by this narrative that they put together?

00:51:24.940 And all the solutions to climate change are all the United Nations, Green New Deal, government control, regulations in our life, mimicking the COVID lockdowns, stay-at-home orders, limiting travel, freedom movement, telling you what you can and can't eat.

00:51:41.100 So I think at some point, Robert F. Kennedy Junior needs to delineate his climate position from his COVID, because I think he has to either have evolved or he's got a position I don't fully understand, you know, calling for the jailing of climate skeptic CEOs.

00:51:55.740 Yeah, I think you're right. I think a lot.

00:51:57.520 And you mentioned some other people who are historically on the left, Jimmy Dore, Max Blumenthal, who I think probably called himself a communist before.

00:52:05.060 He's phenomenal on COVID. He called him the lockdown left. He's featured in my book. Very impressive. Some of these figures on the left, you would never have expected to step up like this.

00:52:15.020 Yeah, it's a reorientation of the political spectrum. I don't even know what right wing means anymore. Some of the worst lockdown politicians in Canada are nominally conservatives.

00:52:25.000 Yeah. It really has scrambled things. I mean, it's it's uncanny. But when you think about it, it makes total sense that many of the pandemic scaremongers are also in the same climate business.

00:52:42.060 Look at Bill Gates. He just published a book about the threat of global warming.

00:52:46.960 He's the guy who wanted to put billions of tons of dust particles in the sky to blot out the sun.

00:52:53.740 Yeah. And you have BlackRock buying up real estate. You have Bill Gates, the biggest American farm owner, landowner, according to NBC News.

00:53:01.500 And Bill Gates is now producing synthetic meat. So imagine if he gets more control of farms, the single biggest farm owner that he's going to have direct influence on what we eat, how we eat it, how often the price of it.

00:53:13.500 This is what people like Noam Chomsky should be focusing on. And RFK Jr. gets this in many respects. But I still don't understand his climate position.

00:53:24.520 And again, I know I sound like I'm defending the guy. It's just that I went to this event and I thought I'm ready to disagree.

00:53:30.960 And I found myself agreeing much more than I thought. I think, you know, it's funny.

00:53:34.120 I said I spoke briefly at the RFK event and I said, there's a saying when you've got nothing left to lose, you're free and you're powerful.

00:53:41.020 And that's true. And people who have been fired because they didn't take the vaccine, for example, they're, you know, terrible things have happened to them, but they're liberated and they can speak truthfully.

00:53:50.400 But in a way, RFK Jr., he has a lot to lose, his position on the constellation of the left.

00:53:57.860 And yet he has dissented. Like I think Noam Chomsky, it's the crazy thing about Noam Chomsky, and I'll end on this note, is that he is supposed to be the ultimate dissenter, the ultimate contrarian, the ultimate objector, the refusenik.

00:54:14.840 And yet he's in league with the big tech, the big government, the big media, the United Nations, the global government, the Bill Gates of the world.

00:54:23.960 RFK Jr., who comes from American royalty, you know, the Kennedy family, who's part of the establishment, even if he's on the left wing of it.

00:54:31.580 He's the one who's acting as the dissenter at great personal cost, I might add.

00:54:36.880 We've certainly seen a lot of character of people revealed. Last word to you, Mark.

00:54:41.280 You're absolutely right. RFK Jr.'s wife, Cheryl Hines, who's a Hollywood actress, she's on the Curb Your Enthusiasm with Larry David and a lot of other movies.

00:54:48.820 So Robert F. K. Jr. is a great personal risk. The problem with someone now like Noam Chomsky, all his anti-Trump rhetoric, his promotion, he's like he would fit in perfectly on MSNBC.

00:54:59.200 There's nothing controversial about Noam Chomsky anymore. And many of his old supporters on the left now acknowledge it.

00:55:06.680 Interesting stuff. Well, listen, great to see you again, Mark. Thanks for joining us.

00:55:09.900 And we'll keep watching ClimateDepot.com for all the news.

00:55:12.760 Thank you. All right. Stay with us. More ahead.

00:55:18.820 Hey, welcome back. Liberate the Forks says, you forgot about Prince Edward Island.

00:55:32.300 They extended mask mandates until April 31st. Well, thank you for that. I'm sorry I didn't know that.

00:55:37.480 I didn't mean to leave PEI out. Of course, Quebec has extended it, too.

00:55:43.420 And New York City, the way they're going after the toddlers is the craziest thing ever.

00:55:46.920 But thank you for reminding me of that. I'm sorry I didn't know that.

00:55:50.740 Someone with the nickname Everything is Fine says, considering it's New York City, masks are the least of their worries.

00:55:58.080 Well, I guess you could say that there's a lot of problems in that city.

00:56:01.200 In fact, that city had the highest net out-migration in America last year.

00:56:07.080 Florida had half a million people move into it from other U.S. states.

00:56:13.060 It's actually more than the number of people who moved to Canada last year.

00:56:16.720 Half a million net in-migration to Florida.

00:56:19.460 New York City itself, a quarter million net out-migration.

00:56:23.060 New York City, the most amazing city in the world by most measures.

00:56:27.320 People are fleeing.

00:56:29.740 There's so many problems there, but the government is the main one.

00:56:32.320 I mean, listen, what's the problem?

00:56:34.300 It's got wonderful restaurants, amazing people, head offices, travel connections, history, museums, hospitals.

00:56:41.920 That city has everything you could possibly imagine.

00:56:44.240 That city is like a world unto itself.

00:56:46.700 It's like the old saying about London.

00:56:48.540 It's impossible to be bored with London.

00:56:50.720 You would be bored with life itself.

00:56:52.420 You can say the same thing about New York.

00:56:54.020 So why are a quarter million people leaving?

00:56:57.540 It's because of the politics and the political rules and forcing masks on toddlers, on two-year-olds, three-year-olds.

00:57:06.120 That would be enough to make someone move to the free state of Florida, don't you think?

00:57:11.140 Now, a foesie, if I'm saying that right, says fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism

00:57:17.500 because it is a merger of state and corporate power.

00:57:21.320 Benito Mussolini.

00:57:22.280 This is what we have been witnessing throughout the pandemic, a merger of government with corporations,

00:57:28.620 especially on the big tech platforms.

00:57:31.500 Oh, yeah, you're so right.

00:57:32.860 And throw big pharma in there, obviously.

00:57:35.860 And big data.

00:57:37.160 I'm just using the word big a lot.

00:57:38.480 But they are big.

00:57:39.480 And the thing they all have in common is that they don't respect local democratic voices.

00:57:46.920 I mean, all of these health decisions were made at the World Health Organization.

00:57:50.740 And then it was a game of Simon Says.

00:57:52.860 Everyone copied.

00:57:54.200 None of them were put through proper regulatory debates or regulatory hearings or parliamentary debates.

00:58:00.560 There was no debate in Parliament about a mask mandate.

00:58:03.540 Did you see one?

00:58:05.100 There was no debate about locking you in your home or locking your loved ones out of your home.

00:58:09.760 There was no debate on that.

00:58:12.760 That's our show for today.

00:58:14.380 Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night.

00:58:18.940 And keep fighting for freedom.

00:58:20.100 And let me leave you with our video of the day from Lincoln Jay, who has a question.

00:58:25.160 Can Roman Baber handle being the next Prime Minister of Canada?

00:58:30.300 Supporters weigh in on the question.

00:58:32.700 All right, that's it.

00:58:33.640 I'll see you tomorrow, everybody.

00:58:35.020 Lincoln Jay for Rebel News here in Mississauga, where Roman Baber is hosting an event this evening

00:58:39.520 promoting his leadership conservative campaign.

00:58:42.540 The MPP for York Centre has been one of the most, if not the most, outspoken politician in Ontario

00:58:47.940 when it comes to speaking out against the negative impacts of lockdowns and COVID-19 restrictions.

00:58:54.040 We're told that we must go into lockdown, keep kids out of school, close business, delay surgeries,

00:58:58.420 and disrupt normal life because COVID will overwhelm our hospitals.

00:59:01.860 The most important metric was the effect of COVID on our hospitals.

00:59:04.940 For two years, this government and this minister were not telling Ontarians the actual toll of COVID on our hospitals.

00:59:11.760 Instead, they were reflating COVID hospitalizations by combining patients hospitalized as a result of COVID

00:59:16.740 with patients tested for COVID but hospitalized for a whole other reason.

00:59:20.520 In fact, he was so outspoken that he lost his seat in the Progressive Conservative Party.

00:59:25.060 It took little time for the Premier to issue his response.

00:59:28.120 Effective immediately, Mr. Baber will no longer be sitting as a member of the PC caucus

00:59:32.480 and will not be permitted to seek re-election as a PC member,

00:59:36.280 calling Baber's remarks irresponsible that by spreading misinformation,

00:59:40.380 he is undermining the tireless efforts of frontline health care workers and putting people at risk.

00:59:45.800 After Mr. Baber wrapped up speaking to the crowd, he hosted a meet and greet.

00:59:49.900 Now, unfortunately, he declined to take any of my questions on camera, which I did find quite surprising.

00:59:55.180 I can't say for sure if he simply did not want to speak with Rebel News or if he was short for time.

00:59:59.480 But with a million and a half subscribers on YouTube alone,

01:00:02.580 you would think Mr. Baber would be happy to take the opportunity to spread his message to such a large audience.

01:00:08.620 If he potentially doesn't want to take straightforward questions for myself,

01:00:11.980 will he be able to handle being the next Prime Minister of Canada?

01:00:16.000 In any event, I did speak with some of his supporters to see why they came out to support Roman Baber here in Mississauga.

01:00:22.340 Let's check it out.

01:00:23.160 And I promise you, my very first piece of legislation when I enter office

01:00:28.140 is to eliminate any image, any memory of any passports or any mandates.

01:00:34.260 I will do that on day one.

01:00:36.100 So what brought you out here today?

01:00:41.040 I've never been interested in politics since day one.

01:00:44.800 I only really started to get interested in it at the beginning of the pandemic

01:00:48.900 when I noticed that Roman was saying everything that was opposite to the mainstream media.

01:00:54.600 I want to bring back human rights.

01:00:56.200 That's why I believe in Roman Baber. 0.67

01:00:58.060 I really wasn't into politics, but I saw him on Facebook.

01:01:01.200 And he speaks for the people.

01:01:04.260 So basically, that's why I'm here to support him and to give my support.

01:01:07.360 He's been a light through all of this darkness.

01:01:10.180 And I will do anything that I can to support him as he's supporting Canadians.

01:01:14.580 And I'm going to fight for him all the way just as he's been fighting for us.

01:01:18.360 My point of view is kind of very close to his point of view.

01:01:21.460 So I think he's like-minded.

01:01:23.480 I started hearing of Roman over a year ago.

01:01:28.040 And it's like there's someone else out there that feels the same way as I do.

01:01:31.240 I think I share a lot of the same views.

01:01:33.460 And someone that's not scared to go against what I think they're trying to ram down our throats.

01:01:38.120 His principles and what he stands for is pretty much true and what I believe in.

01:01:43.500 I couldn't help but continue to follow him.

01:01:46.080 And now that he's running for Conservative Party leader,

01:01:49.700 I want to hear more from him.

01:01:51.880 And that's why I'm here today to see if he's really what we all need.

01:01:57.620 Why do you think Canadians should trust him to stick to his word?

01:02:00.720 I think because he was expelled from Conservative parties here in Ontario.

01:02:06.280 So it's obviously he has something different.

01:02:10.220 I've seen so many politicians say one thing.

01:02:13.640 And then once they're in power, they just completely do a 180 shift.

01:02:16.680 And that's kind of why I'm here today to see if he would reimpose these lockdowns after he gets the power.

01:02:25.640 I think it's for the people.

01:02:27.940 If they fight for know what is right, like what Baber do during those lockdowns and things,

01:02:34.720 if we all have the initiative what he have done, I think we will go there.

01:02:39.240 Well, as he's been saying pretty much all along, his opinion has been an unpopular one.

01:02:46.260 And he's been fighting for what he thinks is right all along,

01:02:50.440 rather than going with the more popular opinion as Aaron O'Toole did.

01:02:56.500 So I trust him.

01:02:57.700 It's from humble beginnings.

01:02:59.540 And I think you need to, because someone like Justin, who has been pampered all his life,

01:03:04.920 I don't think he's in touch with anything that really goes on.

01:03:08.080 And it changes your character and your inability to see what's really needed.

01:03:13.160 He represented people really who voted for him, and he will do whatever people want.

01:03:18.500 Well, I think Canadians, first of all, should trust him,

01:03:20.360 because he's taken the strong stand on basically against lockdowns.

01:03:26.840 And the other politicians have not done that.

01:03:28.840 Certainly the Conservatives, he did mention.

01:03:31.240 O'Toole went left, went right, said there were lockdowns to come, less vaccines, more vaccines.

01:03:37.860 I mean, all over the place.

01:03:39.180 He's got a good position and very strong and stating that.

Rebel News Podcast - April 07, 2022

EZRA LEVANT ｜ The Trudeau government moves to regulate the news media

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