Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Tommy Robinson acquitted on Terrorism Act charges

00:00:00.000 Tonight, a victory for Tommy Robinson, for the United Kingdom, and for freedom of speech.

00:00:05.580 It's November 4th, and this is the Ezra Levant Show.

00:00:12.920 Ezra Levant here, coming to you from the center of London.

00:00:16.640 I'm outside Westminster Magistrates Court, where Tommy Robinson today was acquitted on charges under the Terrorism Act.

00:00:24.300 You might recall, I spent two days at the same court last month, when Tommy was on trial for breaching that law.

00:00:32.040 It was actually a very strange stitch-up, as they say in the UK.

00:00:36.520 Tommy Robinson was driving to a train that is part of the Channel Tunnel.

00:00:42.860 I don't know if you know that, but for several decades now, there is an underground path to a tunnel from the UK to the continent of Europe.

00:00:53.440 And you can take a train, and you can actually drive your car onto a train and go across to Europe and drive onwards.

00:01:02.300 Tommy Robinson was on his way to his home in Spain, where he has to live for security reasons.

00:01:09.180 And he was identified by a cop, who was actually a counter-terrorism cop.

00:01:15.720 Tommy was driving to Spain, and he was actually driving in a friend's car.

00:01:20.320 And he had bought his ticket to go on the Channel Tunnel that day.

00:01:25.880 And these three facts I've just listed, going to Spain, driving a friend's car, and buying his ticket on that day.

00:01:31.420 Those were the reasons that this cop said he pulled Tommy over to interrogate him.

00:01:38.320 And then to interrogate him under the Terrorism Act.

00:01:41.260 Hang on. Going to Spain, driving a friend's car, and buying your ticket for the day of.

00:01:47.540 Those are not indicia that someone is a terrorist. That makes no sense.

00:01:51.960 They had Tommy wait for minutes, and then for hours.

00:01:55.100 And then they grilled him about things, but actually not about terrorism.

00:01:59.380 They asked him about his politics.

00:02:01.600 They asked him about things that he could find just by Googling Tommy Robinson.

00:02:05.960 Listen, again, that's fine if you're out for drinks with Tommy Robinson, but if you're the police and you arrest him with no search warrant and no reasonable suspicion, you've got to do better.

00:02:17.480 And the thing is, the Terrorism Act contains some extremely powerful tools for law enforcement.

00:02:22.940 And you can imagine, in some extreme cases, that civil liberties might be abridged.

00:02:27.940 For example, and I keep saying this, the ticking time bomb scenario, where something is imminently about to happen, and you've got to find out where the bomb is located or what the conspiracy is.

00:02:40.880 The Terrorism Act contains a provision where police can compel you to answer questions.

00:02:45.720 You don't actually have the right to remain silent, and they can compel you to give over your electronic devices, including your password, on your cell phone.

00:02:56.400 Now, there are some protections in place for this.

00:02:58.820 Anything you say under this duress can't be used against you.

00:03:03.060 So if you confess to terrible things while you're in this situation, you can't be prosecuted for it.

00:03:09.960 The purpose is just to help an encounter terrorist in the United States.

00:03:13.420 But again, none of this applies to Tommy.

00:03:16.960 He was driving home to Spain in a friend's car, and there was nothing fishy about what he was doing.

00:03:23.720 But he refused to give police the password to his cell phone, and thus the trial.

00:03:30.080 And just think about that.

00:03:31.140 You're just driving across the channel.

00:03:33.980 You're looking forward to a nice drive.

00:03:35.540 And suddenly, the police are demanding you for your password, and if you don't give it, you were charged under the Terrorism Act.

00:03:44.840 That sounds so awful, doesn't it?

00:03:47.040 It sounds like you were doing something atrocious when all you were doing is saying, no, you can't rifle through my phone.

00:03:53.000 And in Tommy's case, his main reason was that he had sensitive material on his phone, interviews with rape victims of the UK's grooming gangs, and he didn't want those to be shown to police or to others without the permission of the victim.

00:04:07.520 Anyways, Tommy refused, and thus the two-day trial here last month.

00:04:11.080 I attended the trial, and I think what was the most salient to me was that the police didn't have a record of what they said or did.

00:04:22.000 Their notes were vague and written weeks or even months after the event.

00:04:27.500 In some cases, they said they lost their notes.

00:04:30.340 They couldn't remember what questions they asked, and they didn't know what powers they had to ask it.

00:04:36.000 It was actually the most embarrassing police testimony I've ever seen.

00:04:39.460 And one of the young officers was so nervous, he pounded back an entire carafe of water during his testimony.

00:04:46.820 I tell you, as I said at the time, I'd love to play poker against a guy like that.

00:04:51.140 He just cannot hide when he's bibbing. 0.78

00:04:54.680 There were, I think, three police officers all together.

00:04:58.880 And what we learned from them is that they pulled over Tommy Robinson because they realized they had a kind of celebrity on their hands.

00:05:06.160 And instead of doing what other people do when they see Tommy, asking for his selfie, well, these were cops who thought, well, we've got ourselves a fish here.

00:05:14.620 Let's try and make something out of it.

00:05:16.860 So they called, one of the things they did in the trial is they said they called other police agencies around the U.K., I presume counterterrorism squads, MX-5.

00:05:26.760 But no one cared that they had Tommy Robinson.

00:05:29.560 Tommy Robinson is not wanted for any crime.

00:05:32.220 No one has ever accused Tommy Robinson of terrorism.

00:05:35.340 So you had these keystone cops, or I guess hot fuzz, as they would say in the U.K.

00:05:41.140 That's their movie that made fun of police.

00:05:44.120 They had Tommy Robinson in their hands, but they didn't know what to do with them.

00:05:47.120 And they questioned him under duress, but they actually didn't ask him anything about terrorism at all.

00:05:53.320 They just asked him for his views on politics and journalism, which is interesting enough, but you don't have the right to stop someone to talk to them about their politics.

00:06:03.060 It's not terrorism.

00:06:04.360 And in fact, it's a protected characteristic under U.K. law.

00:06:07.940 And that was the heart of the defense that Tommy's lawyer mounted in the trial last month.

00:06:15.200 And instead of trying to fight on the phone password issue, Tommy's lawyers decided to fight on, was the arrest lawful at all to begin with?

00:06:27.260 And by pointing out that there was no reasonable suspicion, no reason to detain Tommy, the questions had nothing to do with terrorism,

00:06:35.420 they, instead of defending the refusal to give the cell phone, they challenged the legality of the arrest altogether.

00:06:43.020 And today, the judge gave his ruling and relied heavily on that line of argument by Tommy's lawyers.

00:06:50.420 Here's what I mean.

00:06:52.180 To be, to use that massive power.

00:06:54.300 Remember I told you that police can ask you any question, you don't have the right to remain silent, they can get into your devices.

00:07:00.340 Like, that's shocking access that in the rest of the time, you would never have that right to do that without a search warrant.

00:07:08.040 I mean, the idea of police coming up to you and saying, give me your password is so alien to us, but it is only there for those crises, those emergencies of terrorism is afoot.

00:07:18.520 For example, let's say, God forbid, if there was another 9-11 and you captured a mastermind before one of the jets, like which jet was at which airport, you would want to be able to compel those answers if you could.

00:07:31.560 But to use that sledgehammer, that civil liberties-destroying sledgehammer, without there being a legitimate terrorism case, that is horrific.

00:07:42.780 Not only does it abuse civil liberties, but it destroys trust in the anti-terrorism tool.

00:07:48.080 If that anti-terrorism tool is appropriate, and the UK Parliament believes it is, it should be rarely used.

00:07:56.420 And when it's used, it should be used on purpose and for good reasons.

00:08:00.320 Not because you've got a celebrity crossing into the channel tunnel and you want to keep a ring, sort of show along for a bit.

00:08:07.140 And the fact that they pulled him over without a reason, and the fact that their questions touched on his political views rather than anything terroristly, meant that the arrest and detention itself was unlawful.

00:08:21.180 And anything that came from that was fruit from a poison tree.

00:08:24.600 The judge specifically said that when the police referred to Tommy's past 10 years ago, with a pro-Grenish group called the EDL, the English Defence League, the fact that the police referenced that, which the EDL, by the way, it's not a terrorist group, it's not an extremist group.

00:08:42.960 The police say as much, for these cops to say that Tommy's membership in the EDL 10 years ago was their reason for detaining him and questioning him, the judge said that through, that their primary reason for arresting, detaining and questioning Tommy had nothing to do with terrorism, but everything to do with his protected political views.

00:09:07.160 It's very interesting to me that a political view is a protected characteristic here in the UK.

00:09:12.940 Honestly, I don't know if it has the same strength in Canada, but it was very bracing to hear the judge say that.

00:09:20.960 The judge, you know, rehearsed the facts, recounted the facts of the case, and when he came to the testimony of the police, he was scorching.

00:09:30.020 He said that the police were simply not credible.

00:09:32.800 He did not believe what they had to say, and their answers were insufficient and vague.

00:09:38.880 He actually tore a strip off, and it was quite something to see.

00:09:42.580 We've got the date, we know the date, we want it, but we want to make sure for an event like that, it's going to be big.

00:09:47.400 It's going to be a worldwide event.

00:09:49.240 We want Hyde Park, yeah, but we need to work with the police properly on it, which is what we're trying to do.

00:09:53.000 It's so important.

00:09:53.680 It's important.

00:09:54.720 What's that?

00:09:55.220 You name them up?

00:09:56.700 Nah, because what we'll do is they'll start jumping in and trying to block out all the dates, yeah?

00:10:00.100 Tommy, how do you feel media have to write that you are not a terrorist today?

00:10:04.100 They probably won't.

00:10:05.400 You read that judgment, yeah?

00:10:07.280 He hammered them.

00:10:08.700 He hammered them, yeah?

00:10:10.200 They won't report that.

00:10:11.760 Aidan, what we need to do is now go on.

00:10:13.760 They're reporting.

00:10:15.340 The thing that gets me...

00:10:16.380 The thing that frustrates me so much is that they all sat in that trial, and they run headlines about expensive car cash.

00:10:26.080 No, the headline is the police have targeted me unlawfully and arrested me without grounds.

00:10:32.300 Sorry.

00:10:33.160 I should be happy.

00:10:33.980 I am happy.

00:10:34.500 I'm going home to my kids.

00:10:35.760 I'm very happy.

00:10:36.720 But I'm happy for everyone's support.

00:10:38.980 Everyone from around the world who's getting me support.

00:10:40.940 Go on, Tommy.

00:10:42.060 And again, just Elon Musk.

00:10:44.900 Big up, Elon Musk.

00:10:45.620 And again, Elon Musk.

00:10:46.700 And also, Carson Kaye and Alistair Williamson, the KC, he absolutely, like, Joe, when you watch someone who's so good at airtrades, skillfully picks out the pieces, I'm watching it thinking, wow.

00:10:58.660 But this should have never happened.

00:10:59.680 It shouldn't have been here.

00:11:00.980 Why have I been here?

00:11:01.900 Time and time again.

00:11:03.100 That's my fault.

00:11:03.840 I've got another trial lined up now.

00:11:05.280 My solicitor just said to me before, we need to see you about your next trial.

00:11:09.280 Isn't there any possibility of getting compensation for all of the money spent and all of the stress you've gone through?

00:11:17.520 When I walked out of court last time, when I walked out of court last time, when I walked out of court last time, when I walked out of court last time, when I walked out of court last time, I was looking.

00:11:34.660 so tommy all i can say is thank you very much yes it is great that you

00:11:50.920 pull out this way tom come back

00:11:55.160 congratulations my friend thank you

00:12:01.960 what do you think about the fact that they kept out the citizen journalists that they refused to let

00:12:07.480 citizen journalists report on your case ezra they fought they dragged they didn't just keep you out

00:12:13.260 they physically dragged you out yeah but all the others i mean the young bobs and everybody like 0.65

00:12:18.700 there's 20 citizen journalists who were kept out well ezra if you followed you know when you

00:12:22.780 listen to that judgment did that judgment match any of the mainstream media's reporting from this

00:12:27.000 case it was stunning so the mainstream media he hammered them yeah but when you relay his judgment

00:12:32.880 from what he witnessed and then you read the bbc and you read all the daily mirror and you read

00:12:37.820 their headlines from this trial none of them wrote any of that you did none of them wrote any of that

00:12:42.900 so they would have hoped that we'd have got here to found me guilty and then they wouldn't have had to

00:12:46.860 write any of that and then by excluding all of them all of the citizen journalists by excluding them

00:12:51.720 they had control the narrative but they didn't thanks that judge he gave a damn in verdict i'm 0.69

00:12:56.040 happy congratulations yeah i'm happy i didn't expect that did you i just don't expect i was too

00:13:00.460 worried even though my solicitor said it i just didn't expect it i just i just think now he's an

00:13:04.420 honest judge it builds your hope in the system a little bit yeah he hammered him he didn't just like

00:13:09.120 he could have sat on the fence on a couple of issues yeah he hammered him

00:13:12.600 he hammered him man and i'm i'm pretty shocked by it to be honest i'm not just shocked i still i'm angry

00:13:19.100 i'm angry at the mainstream media's reporting in this case when i was on trial when you was here

00:13:24.000 they didn't report about you getting dragged out oh they they made it about driving an expensive car

00:13:28.780 so what what's that got to do with terrorism it's my mate's car there's no big story there

00:13:32.800 what's the story this judge said you were targeted for your political beliefs and that's illegal do you

00:13:38.680 think this will make it less likely that police will target you for your political beliefs or do you

00:13:43.400 think the cops will ignore this ruling how many people do you think will lose their job over this

00:13:47.280 today nothing no one who's going to be held to account for this no one this this happened 12

00:13:52.440 months ago ezra 18 months ago we walked out of this court where we found that the the same police

00:13:57.080 that they use unlawful bail conditions unlawful arrests they found all that then

00:14:02.160 thanks tommy great to see you are you going to Thursday good luck man

00:14:09.240 now i don't think any of these cops will be fired for this whole schmazel um and i think if it was a

00:14:18.580 corporation if it was a company and three executives went rogue this way violated someone's civil liberties

00:14:26.440 uh indulged their own politics if a corporation did to a customer what these cops did to tommy

00:14:34.080 head to it go there would probably be a hash settlement but i'm pretty sure these police

00:14:39.700 if anything will be given a raise on the pat on the head because they continue the government's

00:14:44.420 vendetta against tommy robinson but for the for the judge to just excoriate the police this way with

00:14:51.080 racing and i wonder if it'll be heated by the if it'll be taken to heart by police across the uk

00:14:57.280 who many of whom seem to have a vendetta against tommy robinson a vendetta led by no one less than

00:15:03.440 the prime minister keir starmer himself tommy robinson is a politician he's an activist he's

00:15:10.120 a journalist he's an organizer he's many things but he is not a terrorist and the court said that

00:15:15.360 clearly today tommy's had an amazing month when you think about it it started on september 13th

00:15:20.500 with one of the largest rallies in uk history the lowball estimate by police is 150 000 people

00:15:27.120 but some credible estimates put it over a million then he was a guest of the state of israel a state

00:15:33.060 visit it just ended a few days ago where he met very senior government members and then this victory

00:15:38.760 today tommy robinson is a political force to be reckoned with but he should be reckoned with in

00:15:44.480 political ways keir starmer and the metropolitan police and all these other police forces should

00:15:49.880 abandon their schemes and try to get tommy robinson and just deal with them either by ignoring him

00:15:56.180 or debating him or frankly adopting some of his ideas and you know co-opting him that's not a deal

00:16:02.920 with a political rocker ironically tommy today was saying he has to get ready for his next court case i

00:16:08.360 don't know if you remember but tommy and his family were hit by paparazzi on their vacation the paparazzi

00:16:15.600 flew to the resort took pictures and put the family in danger actually tommy returned fire in

00:16:21.620 the same way he took pictures of the paparazzi he had a paparazzi shoot pictures of the paparazzi

00:16:28.500 and they went to the government complaining saying tommy was criminally harassing them

00:16:32.640 the paparazzi who stalked tommy on his family vacation complained to the police about tommy photographing

00:16:39.980 them and so tommy is being prosecuted if you can believe it for criminal harassment it just doesn't

00:16:45.640 end this vendetta doesn't end the countless millions of pounds spent by the british government

00:16:51.160 chasing tommy robinson is absurd another absurdity i mean we were just talking about the terrorism act

00:16:57.180 all day in court today if you've been following the news in the uk over the last week there have

00:17:02.340 been a number of stabbings in the street on a train it was a mass stabbing on a train i think 10 people

00:17:09.760 were injured and in every case police say oh no no no it's not terrorism it's a mental illness yeah

00:17:15.780 that's the ticket mental illness or they come up with some statement like that so let me get this

00:17:21.420 straight tommy robinson won't give you his secret password to his phone that's terrorism but migrant 0.84

00:17:28.000 men stabbing people on the train uh that's not terrorism i mean the uk has to get its priorities

00:17:33.760 straight the amount of policing and prosecuting and harassing and haranguing that this government

00:17:40.500 targets on tommy robinson compared to actual crimes it's the priorities of this country are out of whack

00:17:47.480 but i think that's why they go after tommy robinson they want him to stop talking about what he talks

00:17:54.060 about how he talks about mass immigration and he talks about rape gangs which in the uk are primarily

00:18:01.340 done by pakistani muslim men it's just a fact even if it's an unhappy fact you could try and silence the 0.84

00:18:08.060 guy who's talking about the problem or you could fix the problem itself so far the uk has chosen to go

00:18:14.980 after the guy talking about the problem but at least for today the guy talking about the problem won

00:18:20.300 and the government was chastised and a special thanks to elon musk who has supported tommy robinson

00:18:27.800 in this trial and another paying for his legal bill in the past as you know rebel news would crowdfund

00:18:33.340 legal defense for tommy but elon musk has picked up the tab an amazing i mean freedom of speech around

00:18:39.880 the world and yeah that's my report from the streets of london outside westminster magistrates court

00:18:46.260 um unfortunately my travels to the uk to cover tommy's uh court cases are not done i mentioned

00:18:53.740 the harassment case of the paparazzi i'll come out to do that and one of the reasons is because i

00:18:58.220 i love live tweeting in court if you know what i mean and i don't know if you saw that but my tweets

00:19:03.560 today got millions of views i just like sitting in the court and typing as fast as i can trying to

00:19:09.060 capture the moment by moment what's happening in the court what people are saying and it's a good

00:19:14.040 alternative to having to wait for the end of the day to read the long essays in the regime media

00:19:18.820 but more importantly i'm not taking the point of view that the regime isn't a taste every single one

00:19:24.540 of them with maybe one exception hate tommy robinson attack tommy robinson and distort the news

00:19:30.800 so i feel like i'm not just in there to report the news but to offset the bs coming from the regime

00:19:36.800 media and in fact it was a bit of a story uh if you recall a bbc journalist complained to the court

00:19:43.720 that i was unlawfully tweeting and the judge during the trial made me stand up and answer

00:19:49.000 what are my credentials am i a real journalist and i had to furnish to him proof that i'm a

00:19:53.780 credential journalist in canada still i wasn't allowed to sit with the cool kids in the court

00:19:58.960 itself i had to be in the public gallery but i didn't mind that too much other than it was a bit

00:20:02.820 hard to hear but uh although i have access to the public gallery and i'm allowed to open up my laptop

00:20:08.920 and tweet other citizen journalists or not because they don't have the same credentials i have but i

00:20:14.100 think that's a major problem i think the world has moved online i really don't know anyone under

00:20:20.000 40 years old who gets a newspaper everything is digital now everything is twitter based or x as

00:20:27.000 it's now called or facebook or instagram or tiktok the idea that citizen journalists who primarily use

00:20:33.840 digital forums are kept out of the court while the legacy newspapers and tv and radio have a prestige

00:20:41.100 position is untenable to me and i think that it has within it an inherent bias tommy robinson's

00:20:48.780 populist conservative supporters are citizen journalists the regime journalists the haters

00:20:54.740 they get access tommy's people don't it distorts the news on the courts it gives people a false

00:21:01.800 idea of what's being said and done i as i said to someone today if your sole source of information

00:21:07.460 about tommy's trial was watching the bbc or reading the daily mail you would be shocked that he won

00:21:13.840 today you wouldn't have seen that coming because all you would have heard before was how nasty tommy

00:21:19.100 is and they would have covered up the clear credibility gaps of the police uh witnesses so i i think

00:21:25.740 that the justice system is doing itself no favors by shutting out grassroots citizen journalists

00:21:31.060 and not even being allowed to open up their laptops is quite incredible so i'm i'm lucky that

00:21:37.000 i have that privilege based on my credentials in canada and i'll keep using that as long as i can

00:21:42.020 but i'll also advocate for others to have media credentials look that's the way of the future

00:21:47.260 transparency and i don't believe that there should be a monopoly allowed for regime journalists just

00:21:54.040 because they write for a fancy newspaper and yeah that's my report from uh the westminster magistrates

00:22:01.080 court what a great day for freedom a great day for the uk and a great day for our friend tommy robinson

00:22:07.980 ezra levant here in london it's almost 10 p.m i've had a few hours to think about what happened

00:22:19.440 today at westminster magistrates court obviously the headline is that tommy robinson has been acquitted

00:22:24.920 of the ludicrous charge under the terrorism act that's obviously the big takeaway i think a very

00:22:30.680 important second story is how the judge absolutely excoriated the police saying they were not credible

00:22:37.360 that they were deceptive in their vagueness um they lost their notes etc he was really harsh

00:22:44.020 on their conduct but i think the most important thing by far was the judge said several times and in

00:22:52.300 several different ways that tommy robinson was targeted because of his political beliefs

00:22:58.760 not because of any wrongdoing not because of any crime certainly not because of any terrorism

00:23:03.960 that he was interrogated stopped detained humiliated and put through this entire prosecution

00:23:10.100 because he has a different political point of view than the government that is a stunning thing

00:23:16.360 to hear from a judge that's certainly not what i expected to hear in a trial on tommy robinson not

00:23:22.720 giving up his cell phone password and i think it vindicates and validates everything that tommy's

00:23:29.600 allies and supporters have been saying for years that he is being turned into an enemy of the state

00:23:35.980 and the resources of the police and the prosecutors and the regime media have been dispatched to destroy

00:23:42.420 him not because he's done anything wrong but because he dissents from the mainstream point of view

00:23:48.220 actually i think he represents the mainstream and it's the establishment that has fringe radical ideas

00:23:54.600 about mass immigration and censorship so the more i think about the outcome today yes of course

00:24:00.740 tommy being acquitted is very important he could have theoretically gone to prison but i think the

00:24:06.780 lingering legacy of today's ruling will be the first time that a judge has ever said

00:24:12.560 stop persecuting tommy robinson stop turning him into a political prisoner those phrases have only been

00:24:21.840 said by tommy's allies until now and now a judge at the westminster magistrates board well he's practically

00:24:29.320 sounding like a tommy robinson supporter isn't he in fact he's not a tommy robinson supporter he's

00:24:35.040 just a supporter of the law and i think he's a little bit sick of the government abusing its resources

00:24:40.820 in two-tier justice for rebel news i'm ezra levant and to follow all my coverage on this subject

00:24:46.740 go to tommytrial.com

00:24:48.980 i can't believe how much is involved in this story you've got the farming rights on the line

00:25:01.000 which is connected to food rights being on the line even though they're not for food

00:25:04.780 you've got your property i mean they've come in here they arrested two of the farmers because they

00:25:11.260 said well can't we just feed them can't we just love them can't we just care for them until you guys

00:25:15.820 set up it's completely insane they have no rights but the bureaucrats think they're above the law to

00:25:23.560 the point that they won't even let the farmers have the recourse of going through supreme court

00:25:27.820 sydney vizard for rebel news on route to the universal ostrich farms in british columbia i'm

00:25:34.780 driving from calgary so it's been a bit of a drive as you can see i'm taking the ferry just to get

00:25:39.820 there there's two ferries uh atop the what was supposed to be a seven hour drive but this is a

00:25:44.480 story that matters this is foundational to the way that canada is set up in our government in the

00:25:50.300 bureaucracy in the global order that we try to ascribe ourselves to at least in terms of the

00:25:55.760 government's desires this farm in bc raises ostriches which are studied for purposes of

00:26:01.600 advancing science specifically natural immunity these birds are not raised to be slaughtered like

00:26:07.480 poultry instead their value comes from long-term studying of said birds alive in comes the canadian

00:26:14.400 food inspection agency in december of 2024 on an anonymous tip that some of the ostriches were sick

00:26:21.100 they used overly sensitive tests on two deceased birds and obtained a positive test for avian flu

00:26:27.540 as a consequence of this positive test result without testing any remaining ostriches the cfia

00:26:34.880 decided all of them must be killed to combat disease outbreak the cfia has many powers at their disposal 0.99

00:26:42.500 from quarantining to isolation and disinfecting to testing and monitoring to mass culling and so on

00:26:49.780 they have decided the only option they want to pursue is the mass cull option despite international

00:26:56.620 and national pushback they reference the stomping out policy by the world organization for animal health

00:27:02.640 to which canada is a treaty member which was designed to stop highly contagious disease spread

00:27:08.360 in livestock they have the ability to provide exemptions to the mass culling policy such as for

00:27:13.920 the ostrich farm but decided they would rather kill them all despite the cfia's intentions universal 0.98

00:27:19.380 ostrich farms brought the matter to the courts the fully vaccinated supreme court of canada is set

00:27:25.260 to decide whether they'll hear an appeal from the farm on november 6th if they refuse the cfia may

00:27:32.480 proceed with the call if they approve then the matter will be brought before them in the courts and the

00:27:37.940 birds will remain legally protected from the cfia's hands of death for the time being the minister of 0.81

00:27:43.940 health majoring michelle could intervene but has remained silent on the subject while the matter is

00:27:49.860 before the courts the cfia has seized lands and properties of locals has had almost half a dozen

00:27:55.880 people arrested and already killed one of the birds they're a bloodthirsty gang of bureaucrats on

00:28:01.680 a literal killing spree while being granted seemingly unlimited power from the federal government

00:28:07.140 as you can see behind me there is the designated kill zone for these ostriches the ones that the cfia 1.00

00:28:14.260 the canadian food inspection agency is trying to murder the question remains why did they set up a

00:28:20.200 double perimeter with a police enforcement around it with fog lights that get set up at night to

00:28:25.500 prevent people from coming onto the property on the opposite side of the property where everyone is

00:28:29.200 attending those supporting the ostrich farm why are they continuing to attempt this in the first place

00:28:33.440 why is it that there's got to be a call on these birds there doesn't have to be a call on these

00:28:39.580 birds that's the problem the birds that are here have never even been tested for the avian flu

00:28:45.480 there's nearly 400 of them they're over 260 days healthy and asymptomatic since a sickness passed

00:28:55.240 through the herd late last year the cfia they were the first ones on the property with their full you

00:29:01.140 know pandemic attire as it were day one they didn't even wear it i think they watched themselves on

00:29:05.520 the news and went oh shoot we forgot to act like these birds are sick when that sickness passed there

00:29:11.620 were some that passed away they were the younger birds that had weaker immune systems and the farmers

00:29:17.580 believe that that also hell and scientists by the way support their belief that these birds that are

00:29:23.500 older likely had the avian flu already as well and also these are prehistoric creatures

00:29:29.640 and their eggs are full of antibodies which is exactly what this farm was actually doing since

00:29:37.240 2020 using their eggs and the antibodies to further viral research for therapeutics to fight

00:29:46.220 COVID-19 and so now they're saying why not save them so that they can actually find a solution for

00:29:53.320 actually fighting the avian flu without mass culling which happens in British Columbia more than any

00:29:59.640 other province in the country so let's back up to that point there there is an avian flu that came

00:30:04.500 through here last year some of these birds got sick much like any flock of birds on the planet

00:30:11.560 sometimes they get sick sometimes a couple of them don't make it that is mother nature for you

00:30:16.800 why is it specifically that they need to be called in the government's eyes they have a stamping out 0.99

00:30:21.660 policy and this is really what the farmers here at universal ostrich farm are pushing against

00:30:26.900 and that stamping out policy it guides them to just mass kill now you have to understand that

00:30:33.560 ostriches are not chicken these are not poultry and viruses do not pass through a herd like this the

00:30:40.800 same way that they do with chickens 69 of them died the younger ones which is less than 15 percent of

00:30:47.520 the herd which is also supposed to put these birds in a different category I forget the the exact terms

00:30:53.720 what what I'm getting at here is although the CFIA continues to say our reasoning for why these

00:30:59.120 birds should still die regardless of if they're healthy or not today and why they refuse to retest

00:31:04.500 is because they just go to the policy it's policy over sanity but they are also superseding the policy a

00:31:12.200 little bit in the fact that it was less than 15 percent and in the range of there being no other farm

00:31:18.260 animals within a certain range here so they point to the WHO but then they're also going further and

00:31:24.600 they're bureaucrats they're not farmers they're not veterinarians making these decisions and they're not

00:31:30.440 scientists making these decisions either here I'm standing is the main action point for the demonstrations

00:31:36.740 there are the ostriches to my left is where the RCMP have stationed themselves behind a police line they are

00:31:42.880 there setting up and holding this perimeter for the Canadian Food Inspection Agency there was a temporary

00:31:48.700 pause so the birds were going to be safe for a little while but the CFIA got control of the farm

00:31:52.180 they're locking out veterinarians from taking care of those birds and ostrich experts they're refusing

00:31:57.260 any help that these birds might get and what have they done instead they decided to feed them some

00:32:01.140 I'm going to call it suspicious food and they have not only this you know dinky little police line

00:32:05.980 they've also set up a big blue fence as you can see here and that was put in after they decided that they were

00:32:11.320 going to try and get a bunch of hay bales to hide the birds so that they could do a kill pen yeah

00:32:16.700 literally now that burned down spontaneously can't say I'm upset but it's unfortunate still there though

00:32:22.420 let me talk about that for a second because this is also insane I mean I don't know why the CFIA is

00:32:29.420 so hell-bent on what they're doing but they are making so many missteps and this farm's not going to

00:32:34.380 let it go whether their birds live or die and with the hay bales you're talking about yes there was a

00:32:40.100 suspicious fire we were here four in the morning you know showing you that there were two more fires

00:32:46.100 after that and it wasn't suspicious it was most likely just the hay was combusting because the

00:32:51.980 CFIA wasn't dismantling it they kept it up and they put this whole area the animals the farmers in this

00:32:58.700 whole region at risk for wildfires which aren't always wild as I'm saying so that is another form of

00:33:06.520 negligence in my opinion in totality them taking control of the farm taking control of the ostriches

00:33:11.900 is almost their way of creating the reality that they were trying to get in the first place like

00:33:17.860 under their control we see already one ostrich has died people are mentioning how these birds look like

00:33:23.000 they've been drugged they don't look as healthy or active all following the CFIA's takeover so being

00:33:29.340 here on the ground for an extended period of time is that a legitimate thing do these birds are they

00:33:33.280 acting different absolutely the the farmers are concerned that something's in the food and they

00:33:37.660 are not being crazy I see it everybody who's seen these birds before see that they are way less active

00:33:43.220 I've seen them play with balls before I saw them mating non-stop we showed you guys that as well 0.58

00:33:49.100 they look depressed they look sad they look slow I think it's a combo of things is it something in the

00:33:57.200 food I don't know is it just neglect like they're not seeing their farmers they're so confused at what's

00:34:03.040 going on the smoke could have played an issue they were under smoke for a few days and they're

00:34:08.580 separated from each other more so they actually really like people and they've come to really love

00:34:14.660 people as all the spectators would come so it used to be if anybody stood there you would see like 60

00:34:20.940 80 now you're lucky if you see two and they're all separated from each other it's really inhumane

00:34:27.860 it's disgusting and among all of the many questions is where are the animal humane societies on this

00:34:36.160 issue we've also covered them pleading with them can you care for the hand can you tell us if it's

00:34:40.860 okay can you let us go in we know how to care for it can you give them these electrolytes she's 0.99

00:34:45.440 probably dehydrated leaked footage snuck over there after the cfia tried to snuff out your eyes they 0.84

00:34:52.780 literally after the farm got their stay relief from the supreme court pausing the call they blocked

00:34:59.620 their cameras so that the world can't see and the farmers couldn't see and somebody got a shot of that

00:35:06.560 neglected hen dying on her own it's really disgusting her name is spirit and so dave got the news as we all 0.99

00:35:13.140 did as we publish today that spirit died but only after only after it was exposed that she was being

00:35:20.460 neglected in the cfia's care so you're right he said she's a pet when she broke down and he said

00:35:26.200 she's more than a pet because of the antibodies as well to emphasize the point of there being no reason

00:35:31.040 rfk actually put out offers to canada inviting the states to take these ostriches away from canada but

00:35:37.360 the canadian government said no we'd rather kill them this is another layer of the hypocrisy and the why

00:35:43.200 so secretary of health rfk jr like you're talking about head of medicare dr oz the fda and the nih

00:35:52.460 have all gone to bat for these birds saying hey there is a research opportunity these vaccines we're

00:36:00.300 relying on like moderna which is trying to do the mrna vaccine they're leaky we don't like this mass

00:36:06.980 calling thing because they've had to kill a lot of animals too we want to find a better way and they

00:36:10.900 want to go into therapeutics which is exactly what this flock is lined up for so in this whole

00:36:17.180 elbows up mark carney canada it's all a wash everybody can see that when you have the americans say

00:36:24.700 hey let's do this trade deal we'll pay for the science we'll test the birds at our own expense and you

00:36:31.620 guys just get to simply win that could have been huge or can be if there is some shift for british

00:36:37.940 columbia and canada it could literally ease trade tensions between our biggest trade partner

00:36:44.220 and if you could throw him a bone and say sure uh secretary kennedy you can study these birds

00:36:50.220 it's sort of no skin off canada's nose and don't you think it would be helpful to have a

00:36:54.580 an ally in trump's cabinet when we're doing our trade negotiations

00:36:59.080 that's my question don't you think it would be helpful to have a friend next reporter merci

00:37:05.700 oh you're not you're not going to answer minister reminds me of unfortunately the state of canada

00:37:10.480 which is a bird gets sick we got to kill the whole flock you don't feel that well maybe you should try

00:37:15.100 assisted suicide so that's what the cfia said they said that these birds got to get killed the farmers

00:37:19.400 here are obviously putting up a good fight why haven't they been called yet so you said it right

00:37:23.500 there i've interviewed these farmers and something they've said a couple of times and they've hit it

00:37:27.820 on the nail is that the cfia has messed with the wrong farm here they have not given up the fight

00:37:33.060 because you remember when the cfia comes to these farms over hundreds of them in british columbia alone

00:37:39.960 culling nine million birds since 2022 they also dangle a price for each bird and so that plays into why

00:37:48.880 you don't always hear about this there's even non-disclosures involved so they've come to the

00:37:53.980 wrong farm here that says no these are not just animals that we're selling for meat these are

00:37:59.640 actually our pets we've raised some of these for 30 days 30 years sorry and they have a promise for

00:38:07.520 the future that they believe is going to change the world so they're like no we are not giving up this

00:38:13.380 flock and we this policy needs to be taken down so they have challenged the policy in the

00:38:18.860 federal court in the federal court of appeals and what is crazy here is as you see they're at a

00:38:25.400 standoff on their property with the canadian food inspection agency who's hijacked their flock and part

00:38:31.960 of their land and all of that happened on the tax dollars when the cfia knew the farmers were going to

00:38:39.720 try to take this fight to supreme court so they risk this whole standstill that we're paying for

00:38:45.220 shouldn't even be happening because the stay that they knew was possible happened when they came to

00:38:51.480 the grounds it's really shocking omar sheik is he on this case still i know he does a lot of great work

00:38:56.840 he doesn't stop he got that miraculous stay order which was literally in the nick of time it seemed like

00:39:04.240 they could have called these birds maybe that day the next day and so he got that stay order and then of

00:39:10.120 course there's all these submissions and the next what's being weighed right now is whether or not

00:39:15.700 the farm will be granted leave which will pause the call longer i assume it means they will leave

00:39:22.200 because it would be ridiculous for us to pay for them to still be here and that will allow them to

00:39:28.120 prepare for you know we would like a hearing in supreme court first of all there's not really anything

00:39:33.360 like this before but normally when you're waiting to see if you can get a leave for something it could

00:39:39.220 take one to three months it could take a long time but obviously everything is expedited right now

00:39:45.820 because of the resources because that the police are here instead of cracking down on drug crimes and

00:39:51.700 and all of our crime going up they're acting like the farmers and the supporters are criminals

00:39:56.300 and of course the cfia is here as you can see behind me this is where supporters are camping out some of

00:40:02.700 them for days some of them for hours some of them for weeks and months there are people here who are

00:40:07.680 100 dedicated to standing by with the farmers here at the ostrich farm to support them for anything

00:40:14.180 that comes up it's a bunch of people that have set up in their cars a lot of them most of them

00:40:19.080 sleeping here there's a food setup people are being fed it's turned into a little town how did this

00:40:23.820 happen what what is this how did these people get here what are they doing here yeah so we're at 301

00:40:28.380 land jail road and the farmers since the beginning of their fight with the cfia have been saying come

00:40:34.700 here come see the ostriches that was their big thing they wanted people to look the ostriches

00:40:39.440 in the eye which is slightly harder to do now that the cfia is here and they wanted people to see for

00:40:45.820 themselves that these birds are not sick so you've had people come here for the whole nine months you've

00:40:51.900 had people stay for a week a month at a time and you've had many people come here for a couple days

00:40:57.040 and go and some people come for just a day so i don't know the number of people that have come

00:41:01.780 here i also know that there is a huge reach online there are people internationally in holland in china

00:41:10.180 and of course in the united states that are going wait canada has ostriches and they're killing them

00:41:15.260 for no reason and they're very invested in this story too thank you to you uh just as an outside

00:41:21.040 observer for your reporting here on the ground consistently more thoroughly than any other

00:41:25.080 journalists uh from any of the mainstream outlets and if we want to stay tuned or help out where do

00:41:29.040 we go well save the ostriches.com is where you can go to donate for our coverage sid saw my little

00:41:37.040 ostrich mobile that's here which you know keeps me on the ground but is also just the same as a cheap

00:41:42.440 motel rebel news has been committed to be here on the ground you've come to help thank you so much

00:41:47.860 i know sheila's coming ezra was here you know at some point i'm so invested in the story that i don't

00:41:53.140 want to go home um but if i have to somebody else will be here to make sure that we're here for you

00:41:58.720 one thing we are doing is sorting through facts and fiction i love that everybody is here with a phone

00:42:03.720 but you'll notice that sometimes they beat me because i have to go verify what people think

00:42:10.580 is accurate and a lot of times what's going out immediately isn't um so that's something rebel news

00:42:15.940 is for sure bringing you is to make sure that you're knowing what exactly is happening at the right

00:42:20.900 time and then we are breaking some news right away too so um save the ostriches.com and also i always

00:42:27.780 link you know uh the gofundme to help this the farm itself too with their legal expenses let me know in

00:42:33.840 the comments what do you think it needs to be done to save these ostriches for rebel news i'm sydney

00:42:38.760 fazard save the ostriches.com is where you have to go if you want to see all of our coverage we want

00:42:44.700 to put in the effort to be there to cover these stories that matter and we're able to do that

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Rebel News Podcast - November 05, 2025

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