Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Transgenderism in schools： A feature interview with Barbara Kay

00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. Today's an interesting show. We have Barbara Kay, always a fan favorite.

00:00:04.000 We're talking about transgender politics, and we're going to go through a number of things,

00:00:08.760 but one of the interesting things is a video of Justin Trudeau in a Muslim mosque talking

00:00:14.300 to a Muslim dad who's worried about Drag Queen Story Hour. We'll go through that video and give

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00:00:59.340 Tonight, Barbara Kay and I analyze Justin Trudeau's conversation with a Muslim parent

00:01:08.000 concerned about Drag Queen Story Hour. It's July 19th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:13.320 For a generation, gay rights has increased in popularity, even amongst traditionally conservative

00:01:34.820 or Republican voters. What I mean by that is equality before the law, benefits at work,

00:01:40.920 gay marriage, even gay adoption. Every year, the numbers keep creeping up 1% or 2%.

00:01:49.480 But for the first time in a generation, those numbers are falling and falling precipitously,

00:01:55.900 at least with those on the right-hand side of the spectrum. People who had accommodated themselves

00:02:01.900 to the new reality of gay marriage are suddenly rejecting it. Why? What's going on? Well, 0.99

00:02:07.540 I don't think it's the L, the G, or the B part of the traditional acronym LGBT. It's the T. 0.77

00:02:15.500 It's the transgenderism. And it's not just transgenderism in itself, which used to be an

00:02:20.820 oddity or a quirk, something like Bruce Jenner converting himself to Caitlyn Jenner. I think it's

00:02:27.480 the unique focus of the T in the LGBT to focus on kids. And that the locus, the battlefront, 0.92

00:02:37.560 the front line of this political crusade is not in gay bars. It's not in gay pride parades, but rather,

00:02:46.000 it's in schools with children. And not just in high school either, but younger, elementary school,

00:02:52.980 even as young as kindergarten. When you have children's story hour, read by drag queens, 1.00

00:03:00.440 you've shifted the ground. It's no longer about equality because we don't have, say, heterosexual

00:03:08.680 strippers or other sex workers going into schools, reading books about sexual things.

00:03:14.680 We don't talk about sexual things to kids. That's an ancient taboo that has been broken. And with it,

00:03:21.760 the hard-fought support that the gay movement has finally received from some elements of the

00:03:28.240 conservative movement. I guess what I'm saying is, this is a controversy, even though the establishment

00:03:34.240 is united in support of the T in the LGBT. And if you think that I'm exaggerating, if you think that 0.88

00:03:40.700 I'm fear-mongering, you simply have to look and listen to what LGBT activists say. 1.00

00:03:50.260 Here's a recent parade in New York's Central Park where they tell you their plans.

00:03:55.020 Well, what is happening in response to the sexualization of children? Joining us now to talk

00:04:21.780 about it is our friend Barbara Kay, columnist for the Epoch Times and other places, and co-author of

00:04:27.020 a book on transgenderism and what it's doing to women's sports called Unsporting. Barbara, great to

00:04:32.460 see you again. Lovely to be here, Ezra. Thanks for having me. You know, I think that the conservative

00:04:39.620 movement had made its peace with gay rights. And even Christian conservatives, I think, if there was a

00:04:48.820 moral battle to be fought, I don't think it was on gay rights in general or even gay marriage.

00:04:55.600 But I think that the sexualization of children and the deliberate keeping that away from parents,

00:05:04.300 I think that's a bridge too far, not just for conservatives, but I think for severely normal

00:05:09.280 people who don't even consider themselves political. What do you think?

00:05:12.880 Well, I think you're quite right that the T and the Q, which are now interchangeable because

00:05:20.740 the transgender movement is a function of, it's a subset of the queer movement. Yes, they definitely

00:05:28.960 have in mind to normalize sexuality that no traditional minded person would ever sanction. And they are

00:05:42.000 definitely getting into the minds. Getting into the minds of young children is something that I agree

00:05:50.320 with you that has caused support for LGB to drop because they will not disassociate themselves from the

00:06:00.720 T and the Q. And these taboos are being broken routinely and they're being presented as if you don't

00:06:08.000 support this, then you are a bigot or you're hateful or you're right wing or you're whatever. But

00:06:14.720 normalizing children's awareness and being in sort of inaugurated or initiated into what used to be

00:06:24.240 the mysteries of sexuality, which should remain a mystery to four year olds and five year olds and six

00:06:31.280 year olds, they consider it, they frame it in the, in tropes of it's child's right to know. It's a child's right to

00:06:42.880 know about sexual pleasure. It's a child's right to, you know, be engaged in all this, this whole, like they, they, they, they

00:06:51.760 frame it as they're doing the kids a favor. So, and also in terms of diversity and inclusion, when they present that

00:06:57.280 drag queen story hour, you know, if you're against these grotesque parodies of women, uh, you know, 0.99

00:07:05.600 interacting these male grotesque parodies of children interacting and sometimes touching, uh, with

00:07:12.960 children or having them touch, oh, would you like to touch my hair? Would you like to touch my dress?

00:07:17.360 Um, it's, it's, it's a way of, uh, uh, uh, uh, getting children to drop their, their natural

00:07:26.080 diffidence in the presence of strangers and to sort of, you know, to keep their distance from, um,

00:07:34.000 phenomena that, that don't seem, or that, that they're, they're a little nervous around. Uh, so they

00:07:39.920 wanted the kids to get very accustomed to being in this presence and to consider the sexual, uh, the

00:07:46.800 sexualized content of these, some of these stories, uh, to be, you know, quite normal,

00:07:52.080 you know, look at the drag queen, go swish, swish, swish with the, you know, the hip, like all of that 1.00

00:07:57.280 is people say it's grooming. It is grooming. And of course they get very angry when you say that

00:08:02.480 because, uh, and then they label you a hateful transphobe, but I don't care anymore.

00:08:08.000 Mm-hmm. I mean, even the LGBT, let's just talk about that for one moment. 0.66

00:08:12.880 L is lesbian, gay, G is gay. Both of those are, I guess you could call them sexual orientations. 0.99

00:08:22.400 T is not an orientation. T is, uh, transgender. It's how you express how you look and, and what you 0.80

00:08:32.640 call yourself. It's got nothing to do with your, your sexuality, actually. Um, you know, I remember

00:08:39.840 when Ontario said there are now six genders and I challenged people, and by the way, this is law 0.91

00:08:45.840 under Doug Ford, the conservative premier. And I challenge everyone to name me the six genders.

00:08:51.280 Gay is not a gender. Homosexual, gay, lesbian, those are not genders. It's just sexual. 0.92

00:08:57.840 Yeah. Yeah. They're all sex related. They're all biology related. And now comes along queer and 1.00

00:09:03.520 transgender, which are, uh, which, which are theories that have to do with, um, uh, gender

00:09:09.680 mysticism. I call it because it's like, you know, your true self and it's, it's, it's totally unrelated

00:09:15.680 to sex. And, uh, so it's the exact opposite of what LGB strived for, which was to have their,

00:09:21.520 uh, their, uh, their biology rooted sexuality, um, endorsed as normal. Um, and, and they got that.

00:09:29.120 Now you've got Q and T demanding, uh, that we endorse stuff that we don't consider normal.

00:09:37.360 And we also consider, uh, anti, uh, or opposed to the rights of women and gays and lesbians, uh,

00:09:48.160 because some of their theories are actively conflict with the very, you know, with biological

00:09:55.200 certainties that are at the root of the rest of us. You know, the other day I heard a speech

00:10:00.960 by Dennis Kavanaugh of the London based gay men's network. He said that the whole transgender movement

00:10:06.480 is anti-gay. He said it was a war on gay men. He said, you don't even hear about gay rights anymore.

00:10:14.000 Or he said that gay men are now put on a track to be carved up physically. That, that, uh, it's to

00:10:24.960 take everyone who is either gay or lesbian or confused. And sometimes when you're a teenager,

00:10:32.160 it's a confusing time. You've got to sort of thing. Are you a tomboy? Are you a little effeminate?

00:10:36.880 You're figuring things out. It's tough to be a kid. Puberty's tough. And, and what he said,

00:10:43.120 and I had never heard it put that way before so forcefully is instead of letting people

00:10:48.640 be confused or be a tomboy or even being gay or whatever, you're taking them and you're doing 0.98

00:10:53.920 irreversible medical things to them. And, and he called it a war on gay men, a war on young gay

00:11:01.680 people. I had never heard it expressed that way before, but he's right. You never hear about gay 1.00

00:11:07.200 rights anymore. Maybe it's because, uh, in law and in society, gay rights have been achieved, 0.99

00:11:13.360 I suppose. But he, he saw it as not just an interesting add on LGB and T. He thought that the

00:11:21.120 T was a threat to the G. But I think it's also, yeah, it is. It is. I agree that it is an assault on gay 1.00

00:11:30.480 men because, uh, they, they fasten their attention a lot on effeminate boys, most of whom would grow up

00:11:37.920 to be gay if they're left alone. And they encourage them to think of themselves as maybe, you know, 0.88

00:11:43.120 they're in the wrong body and they, they really want to be, uh, girls. Uh, but at the same time, 0.97

00:11:48.480 it's also very anti-lesbian. I've, I find the whole trans movement to be like a kind of, uh,

00:11:56.320 an inverse of, of the men's rights movements that, that were actually bona fide and they were

00:12:02.080 actually campaigning for rights that they deserved, like equal parenting rights and all kinds of,

00:12:08.240 they were, they were up, up upright men, good men. And I supported those movements. Um, but now we have

00:12:16.080 a movement of men that really don't like women because they want to be women. They know they're not

00:12:24.240 women. They they're angry at real women for insisting that real women have rights that trans women should 0.99

00:12:32.880 not have. And they call them TERFs. And, uh, they're very, some of them are very abusive, uh, and very

00:12:41.120 angry. And especially at lesbians who theoretically, the queer theory tells them that if you're a lesbian, 0.92

00:12:47.440 that you should be happy to, um, have a relationship with a trans woman, because really your attraction

00:12:56.000 is not to their body, but to their gender, which is gender woo, you know, for, are you nuts? Uh,

00:13:04.320 it is biological. You're, you know, lesbians are lesbians because they are attracted to women's bodies. 1.00

00:13:09.920 Um, it couldn't be more clear, but then they get angry at the, I mean, they have, look, they have a

00:13:16.240 delusion. They have this fantasy. They want everybody to, to, uh, assent and affirm their

00:13:22.880 delusion. Uh, the people that won't do it are, you know, naturally they're transphobic. Uh, all I can

00:13:29.440 say is, uh, dress how you want the same as JK Rowling, dress how you want, sleep with who you want,

00:13:35.280 live your life, but don't compel me or any lesbian or any gay person to enter into your fantasy that 0.79

00:13:43.600 gayness or lesbianism is about gender rather than sex. And I think that most people were that live

00:13:50.720 and let live, you know, there's gay bars. I don't think that there would be a movement to have a vice

00:13:57.680 squad raid a gay bar or whatever, which may have happened a generation or two ago.

00:14:04.800 because those are adult spaces and people know what's going on there. It's, it's, uh, but,

00:14:10.400 but to take the locus, the place of this movement and put it in schools is, I think that's what's

00:14:17.920 waking people up. Let me read to you a recent headline from the Toronto star. And I think this

00:14:24.080 is just crazy. Parents staff demand Toronto district school board, drop drag queen story 1.00

00:14:32.240 time, opt out, not drag, not drop the story time, drop the ability to opt out. The board is standing

00:14:40.720 firm. Several sources told the star that the opt out was linked to and justified under the

00:14:46.000 province's sex ed curriculum, which allows students in grades one to eight to take part in alternative

00:14:51.760 activities. Let me just read one or two lines from this. And I'd love your, your response, Barbara.

00:14:57.360 Parents and staff are demanding that the Toronto district school board stop allowing students to

00:15:01.440 opt out of drag queen story time events. Like right there. That's crazy. A parent is demanding that 0.94

00:15:07.120 other parents not be allowed to choose. So like keep your own kids in if you want, but you're demanding

00:15:15.120 that he and she be forced to attend. Toronto PFLAG and the board's 2SLGBTQ plus community advisory

00:15:23.280 committee have been advocating unsuccessfully for weeks since the issue of attendance and

00:15:28.000 consent wrote at a pride celebration at Bruce public school in early June. They say the opt out

00:15:33.200 violates the Ontario human rights code and are calling for an apology for the harm caused by the

00:15:39.360 decision. I won't read more, but it's just so crazy to me. And you know, there was a story CTV

00:15:46.080 covered it. I think the CBC did also. There are schools in Canada, some in Ottawa, some in Toronto,

00:15:52.000 and Mississauga for sure, where 50, 60, 70, 80% of the student population is Muslim. And there were

00:16:01.200 schools when they had pride events where 80% of the kids were kept home. Now, obviously,

00:16:08.400 these schools in Toronto where they're having this battle are not that way. But this is becoming an

00:16:13.760 issue for the Muslim community, which I think didn't have a lot to say about gay bars and gay

00:16:20.080 things when they were in adult places. But now that they're coming to the schools, I think it's a

00:16:25.440 it's a five alarm fire for the gay for the Muslim community.

00:16:29.120 I think it is. And look, they wouldn't. I mean, it also is for the Christian community, 0.51

00:16:34.480 you know, for Christians, who nobody pays any attention to them, they don't care. 1.00

00:16:38.960 But they do care about Muslims, because that's, you know, one of their intersectional groups.

00:16:46.480 It should be a five alarm fire for for anybody that look, if you wanted to make every kid in 0.99

00:16:51.760 class recite the Lord's Prayer, you'd see a real five alarm fire. You know, parents say I want to

00:16:59.440 opt out and they'd opt out and everybody would say, of course, you you you can opt out that that's a

00:17:03.840 religious thing. Well, drag queen story hour is now a religious thing like these, these these drag 1.00

00:17:11.120 queens are now kind of holy figures, you know, and they have to be treated like they're, 1.00

00:17:17.760 there's some kind of very sacred people who are coming to educate the kids. Why don't they I mean,

00:17:24.560 nobody cared when they stayed in their bars. Drag queens have a very raunchy, very sex laden brand. 1.00

00:17:34.720 And suddenly they're they're just harmless. You know, like, why? What is this? What is this

00:17:43.280 fascination with these, with these, with these drag queens? I know, I think I know what it is, 1.00

00:17:50.400 but not to let parents opt out from it when it's, they are obviously associated with sexuality of an

00:17:59.120 extremely specific kind. This is, we're in La La Land on this issue.

00:18:06.160 You know, 60 years ago, Bob Hope told a joke, and it was really funny at the time.

00:18:11.600 I don't know if you ever heard of it. He said, it's now homosexuality is now legal in California,

00:18:20.400 he said. He said, I want to leave before it becomes mandatory. I mean, that, that's sort of a Bob Hope

00:18:28.400 type joke, a little bit dry, a little bit corny. And in the 60s, that was actually funny and a little

00:18:35.360 edgy, but also gay friendly. But that joke is not a joke anymore. You cannot opt out. You can't take

00:18:43.680 your kids. A drag queen is coming to school. There's nothing educational about a drag queen. It's a 1.00

00:18:49.120 sexualization of children. And no, you cannot leave. It's mandatory. You mentioned the holy status of

00:18:55.920 these, basically, they're strippers. I mean, take the, take the gender out of it. Would you be fine 1.00

00:19:01.520 if strippers were coming to say, hey, let's twerk. Let me show you how I use my stripper pull. People 1.00

00:19:06.400 would say, what are you doing? Why are you sexualizing children? But because they have,

00:19:12.720 you know, because it's in the name of queer, as opposed to heterosexual, it's, it's, you're right,

00:19:19.520 it's become like a holy thing. But you mentioned, you mentioned the word twerk, which recalls to me,

00:19:24.640 there is a drag queen, I forget the name, he goes by. And his routine is, he does a whole

00:19:32.720 shtick in front of the kids, teaching them how to twerk. And he reads a story to them,

00:19:38.640 I think that he wrote maybe, I don't know, about an Olympic twerker. And what is a twerker?

00:19:45.360 And he shows, he demonstrates, like he's dressed up, of course, like, like, you know, and,

00:19:50.480 and he sort of does the twerking motion. He says, look, you just make your bum go up and down like

00:19:54.960 this. Well, it's, twerking is an action that simulates sexual intercourse. And he's laughing

00:20:02.800 and doing twerk, twerk, twerk, and encouraging the kids to imitate him. And then reading this story

00:20:09.040 about the Olympic twerker who had, for some reason, couldn't go to the, I don't know, whatever it was.

00:20:14.080 And all these parents, this is now considered family friendly entertainment. And these parents,

00:20:20.160 I think I saw the audience for that one. There were parents there laughing, clapping. Honestly,

00:20:28.160 Ezra, it, this whole gender woo thing, we're now in a kind of stage where people like you and me and

00:20:39.840 other people that kind of get it, we're looking around and saying, what, what do you, do you not

00:20:46.640 see like, and, and, and we're, I don't know, I feel I, I just wish these Muslim parents would like,

00:20:54.480 continue their, people have to listen to them. So I wish they would continue with their campaign.

00:21:00.320 Um, and, um, you know, start leading other parents to understand this is about, it's not so much having

00:21:10.320 sex. These people aren't encouraging the five-year-olds to have sex. They're encouraging

00:21:17.680 them to have their, in their mind, the idea that sex at any age, or thinking about sex, or wanting sex,

00:21:27.440 or wanting to know more about it is natural and normal. And this is called grooming. This is

00:21:35.040 grooming. It's what pedophiles do. 0.98

00:21:38.400 That was always called, oh, that's a slippery slope. That'll never happen. It is happening with

00:21:43.360 the vengeance. Um, the Muslim community I mentioned before, they're starting to speak out. I think for

00:21:49.280 various reasons, they haven't spoken out so far. First of all, there are a lot of Muslim schools in

00:21:55.200 Canada now. And so kids are either homeschooled, or put in these Muslim schools. And I can assure 1.00

00:22:01.280 you there's no drag queen story hour in those schools. But there, I mean, there are some Muslims,

00:22:07.920 and maybe because they're largely newcomers to Canada, and the countries they may have come from,

00:22:14.480 you don't protest against the government. That's too risky. That's too dangerous. So there may be some

00:22:19.120 cultural or historical reasons why you don't see Muslim. And by the way, I think they're not in the 0.99

00:22:25.360 same social circles. They're not in the same peer group. So I think there's been a lot of reasons why

00:22:31.920 Muslim families have not protested. That's changing. In the United States, Asra Nomani is a progressive

00:22:38.080 Muslim woman who's leading a lot of school protests. We saw it in Ottawa. And let me play for you a clip. 0.99

00:22:43.600 This was recorded on a cell phone, where Justin Trudeau, I think this is in Calgary. He was in a

00:22:52.320 mosque and talking one-on-one with a Muslim man who was very carefully putting his objections forward.

00:22:58.880 Let's play a few minutes of this. I don't know if we're going to play the whole thing,

00:23:01.840 but here's Justin Trudeau in a mosque talking to a Muslim man about the T in LGBT. And it's very 0.85

00:23:12.080 revealing. Here, let's take a look. Let's watch this together, Barbara. And then I'd love your 1.00

00:23:15.600 thoughts on it afterwards. Let's take a look.

00:23:16.960 Please protect our beliefs and our culture as well, the same that you are doing for them.

00:23:26.080 So this is where we're coming from. I know, and I've heard this concern many, many times,

00:23:30.720 and I know that it is a very real issue. First of all, there is an awful lot of misinformation and

00:23:37.440 disinformation. People on social media, particularly fueled by the American right

00:23:43.040 rate, are spreading a lot of untruths about what's actually in the provincial curriculum.

00:23:51.520 Like, the federal government doesn't control what's taught in schools. That's the provincial

00:23:55.760 government that controls what's taught in schools. So that's not something that is directly on the

00:24:01.120 federal government. But at the same time, the federal government is unequivocal of standing

00:24:06.400 up for everybody's rights and freedoms. And the highest expression of parental rights is,

00:24:12.640 of course, the safety and well-being of the child. Your concern as a community is for the safety,

00:24:18.240 the well-being, the strength and the protection for your children. I entirely understand that.

00:24:24.720 The one thing that is really, really important in Canada is the workplace that stands up for

00:24:33.520 everybody's rights. And certainly, when it comes to the Muslim community, this government has,

00:24:39.920 well, we were the government that pushed back against the conservatives that, you know, made a

00:24:44.880 campaign against the NICAP, that brought in a snitch line against Muslims. You know, the Islamophobia

00:24:52.400 we absolutely have to stand behind and stand against. The issue, though,

00:25:22.640 is that the charter of rights and freedoms that protects your religion, gives you the freedom

00:25:28.480 of religion that allows you to fully participate in the society, give you all protections, protects

00:25:34.000 all minorities as well. And it's not a buffet. You can't pick the protections you want out of the

00:25:40.000 charter and leave aside others. Standing up for people's rights means standing up for everybody's

00:25:45.760 sex. Now, if you look at the various curriculums, you'll see that there is not what is being said out

00:25:53.760 there about aggressive teaching or conversion of kids to being LGBT. That is something that is being

00:26:02.560 weaponized by people who are not doing it because of their interest in supporting the Muslim community.

00:26:09.600 These are people in the far right who are consistently stood against Muslim rights in the Muslim community.

00:26:15.360 But they are weaponizing the issue of LGBT, which is something that, yes, Islam has 1.00

00:26:21.920 has strong opinions on it. The same way that the religious right in Canada, the Christian right has

00:26:29.520 strong opinions against as well. They're using those fears to drive a wedge between

00:26:36.800 a government that will always stand up for all their rights, just like I will always stand up for the

00:26:44.080 rights of LGBT kids, including if they're LGBT Muslim kids. And not standing up for everyone's rights is 0.99

00:26:53.440 what you get with the Liberal government. We're going to defend your rights even when you disagree with

00:27:00.640 us depending on other people's rights. And how we work together as a country and listen to each other and

00:27:06.880 prevent people from activating baseless fears around lies and around, as you said, scaring your parents

00:27:16.880 into what's actually being taught, that is hurting the fabric of respect and openness that allows Canada

00:27:25.760 to be one of the places where we support and defend the Muslim community more than just about any other

00:27:31.120 West Asian country in the world. And we appreciate that very much. But probably a perfect example is 1.00

00:27:37.360 what we saw in one of the admitting schools, when one of the teachers, she's threatened and she told

00:27:43.600 those kids, you are not a Canadian, you should leave Canada because you did not participate in Pride.

00:27:51.200 And what happened to that teacher? Whatever you want to say, just tell them how you feel.

00:27:54.960 She just vanished and nobody knows about that. That's true. That teacher got serious consequences

00:28:00.560 because that is not, that is not something that is acceptable. This is why we need the government,

00:28:04.560 this is why we need the government to come out and say we do not support that, we do not accept that.

00:28:10.000 That is, that is, our, our, the federal government doesn't control what happens to teachers in

00:28:17.120 the system. But it is, does not represent my position or the federal government's position

00:28:24.640 that people need to be chastised for their religious beliefs. People are free to have their

00:28:30.560 religious beliefs. But within all that, we have to make sure we are standing up and defending

00:28:37.200 everyone's rights within the community. And that includes the right to be who you are and to love

00:28:42.320 whom you love. Understood. And that, I know you feel, I know your parents' generation might have a

00:28:47.920 little more uncertainty about that. And that's where this generation and your kids' generation can,

00:28:53.920 you know, show that look, the, the cost or the, what comes, the responsibility that comes with

00:29:00.560 being in a free country that stands up for everyone's rights is that we will stand up for everyone's

00:29:07.120 rights, including people from the LGBT community who are facing increasing levels of violence and

00:29:13.200 hatred at the same time as the Muslim community is facing increasing levels of violence and hatred,

00:29:19.680 at the same time as, as the Asian community is facing, like we, the world is going in the wrong

00:29:25.040 direction. The one thing we don't need right now is for communities that are facing hatred to start

00:29:32.080 turning on each other, rather than figure out how to support each other, how to listen, how to

00:29:37.520 understand each other and work together. That's what Canada is. And it's not easy, and it, and it

00:29:43.200 causes clashes in cultures. But when it comes right down to it, the ability to stand up for

00:29:50.560 everyone's rights is what leaves Canada the freest and the most successful country. I appreciate that.

00:29:57.920 Thank you. Prime Minister. Thank you. Prime Minister. That was a pretty good automatic transcript that

00:30:04.160 came on the TikTok screen there. It wasn't perfect. And the audio was obviously a noisy room, but I think

00:30:12.000 it was clear most of what was said there. Let me just recap a few points that I thought were interesting.

00:30:18.160 Trudeau said several times that this was misinformation and disinformation by the American

00:30:27.360 right, by the Christian right, by people in the far right. He said that about four times. And he said

00:30:36.320 that the people who are saying these things about what's going on in schools are actually anti-Muslims,

00:30:43.280 so don't trust them. He said that, he said accurately that these schools are local decision makers.

00:30:53.920 In Canada, schools are not run by the feds. But you could see he has a lot to say about defending

00:31:00.560 LGBTQ rights. And he's implying, I think, he didn't actually ever deal with the issue,

00:31:08.960 I've been repeating about 20 times, we protect everyone's rights. Well, what rights is he talking

00:31:14.000 about? The rights of parents to pull their kids out? He said that protecting children was the most

00:31:21.040 important thing. But he didn't express how that would be manifested. He basically said the same

00:31:32.080 thing of that Edmonton teacher they referred to. I don't know if you know what that is. There was an

00:31:36.080 Edmonton school teacher who was exasperated by Muslim kids mocking gay pride and said, hey,

00:31:42.720 we supported you on Ramadan, you got to support us in Pride Week, or you're not a true Canadian. That's

00:31:48.400 what the teacher said, and she got in trouble. And Trudeau said, well, look at the consequences to

00:31:52.160 her. But that's sort of what Trudeau said, too. The rights are not a buffet. We all have to support

00:31:57.840 each other. We can't turn on each other. He said that. He said they're trying to wedge us against each

00:32:03.200 other, those American right people. I thought it was interesting that he was so pro-LGBT in a mosque with

00:32:12.960 a Muslim. In fact, I had some respect for Trudeau that he didn't just absolutely pander and say,

00:32:18.640 yeah, it doesn't really apply to you guys. No, he was right there in the mosque saying it.

00:32:23.680 But he basically said, don't believe your lying eyes. There's nothing untoward going on. That's

00:32:31.840 just far-right Christian, far-right conservative, far-right Americans lying to you. And you'd better 0.68

00:32:38.640 protect LGBTQ because that's the Canadian deal. That's a very interesting exchange.

00:32:45.680 What's your takeaway of that? We watched a few minutes of that, but I think it was worth watching.

00:32:49.600 What do you think, Barbara? I agree with you that he did a lot of, first of all, what struck me was

00:32:55.760 that he's talking to this parent, but the parent got in like 10 words, and then Trudeau was off for

00:33:04.320 five solid minutes of rambling around about how the previous government was Islamophobic,

00:33:09.840 not like our government. And our government was the one that did this for you, and our government

00:33:13.440 was the one that did that for you. So basically, his message was, you know, we're the good guys.

00:33:22.160 And then, as you say, oh, don't believe all the misinformation, those American style

00:33:28.560 disinformation, what he's really talking about, who parents who have legitimate concerns

00:33:34.880 and have raised them are now like the American far-right, which of course, if you use those

00:33:42.000 words, American far-right, it immediately, it's like one of those, you know, buzzwords,

00:33:46.880 trigger words that, oh yeah, no, no, we're not like the American far-right at all.

00:33:50.400 It was so full of political gobbledygook. And then this, we have to support each other's rights.

00:34:01.360 Well, what did he mean? Does he think that during Ramadan, we all have to fast? Is that what would

00:34:08.480 that support? I mean, the correct analogy to you have to go to pride parades, and you have to do this,

00:34:14.640 the correct analogy, if we're going to support Muslims, if we expect Muslim children to take 1.00

00:34:21.120 part in pride activities, then I guess that, you know, we should, Muslims should expect 1.00

00:34:29.040 the kids to fast on Ramadan. I mean, that's the analogy. Support for Ramadan only means, 0.97

00:34:36.160 yeah, you have the right to have your customs and your rituals, and we support that. But

00:34:44.240 you don't actually expect us to go to the mosque during Ramadan, do you? No,

00:34:47.680 of course they don't. But we, but that's not what pride is asking of these children.

00:34:53.840 When they say you can't opt out of Drag Queen Story Hour, they are saying you must attend our

00:35:00.800 church service if you are going to support our church, because it is like a religion.

00:35:07.680 So I don't see any analogy between what's going on in the schools and how, you know, Muslims should

00:35:15.200 understand that the rights are equal, that their rights are being respected, and therefore they

00:35:21.360 have to. No, I think the ask is very, very different. And he didn't even get near that, like he didn't.

00:35:27.600 Yeah, you make the point that's, the largest point is, it was not a conversation. It was a,

00:35:34.880 it was a baffle gab lecture, where he said far right about five times, and he said,

00:35:41.920 you, you can't pick and choose which charter rights, which is quite something from the man

00:35:47.360 who banned unvaccinated people from airlines and trains and said, should we even tolerate them? 0.99

00:35:53.840 I always think it's a bit rich when Justin Trudeau starts talking about rights, the man who brought in

00:35:58.800 the War Measures Act because some truckers were honking. But I wonder what he, what, if he was

00:36:06.080 ever pressed, what he would say an LGBTQ2SL plus right is. Because it's like when people say,

00:36:16.160 I have the right not to be offended. No, that's not a real thing. That's a counterfeit human right.

00:36:22.160 What you really are talking about is the power to silence someone. There's no right not to be

00:36:28.480 offended. When you say that, you're just using trickery. You want the power to silence someone.

00:36:33.760 So what right is he talking about? The right to be free from violence? We all have that right,

00:36:38.560 thank God. The right to express yourself? We all have that right. In students, that right may be limited

00:36:46.400 in some ways. But if he's saying that it is a human right that someone else's kid must endure

00:36:56.400 a drag queen story, that ain't a right anymore. That's a power that the state or the school or 0.98

00:37:03.040 this cult has over families. So he's using the baffle gab language of the charter. And I don't

00:37:09.120 even think he's read the document. I don't think he's read the charter of rights in 20 years because

00:37:14.400 he doesn't understand it. It's to limit the government's power. It's not to force a parent

00:37:19.760 to do anything. The charter of rights doesn't apply to a parent. The charter of rights limits

00:37:24.880 what the government can do. And the government is doing something without parents' kids. 0.97

00:37:29.040 But I mean, the issue is one of parental rights. He did not address that. And he did allude to the fact

00:37:37.760 that like the Christian right, Islam does have an issue with, you know, LGBT. And then he sort of

00:37:47.200 glossed right over that and went on to other stuff. But the fact is that if parents do not want their

00:37:54.560 children educated at a tender age in sex ed that goes beyond, you know, here are the parts of the body.

00:38:03.840 And now let's go back to our arithmetic lesson. You know, uh, they don't want the kids getting into

00:38:10.400 gender woo. They do not want them to be told there are 18 genders and that who knows, maybe you're one

00:38:18.080 of these other genders instead of being a real boy or, and there's no such thing as real boys or real 0.88

00:38:22.240 girls. They don't want that. And they have a right not to want that. And they have a right. This is an 0.99

00:38:26.480 ideology. This is not science. They're not being taught science. Sex ed should be about biology, 0.97

00:38:33.120 evolutionary biology, and later on about, you know, about reproduction and yada, yada stuff that's

00:38:40.400 actual science. None of what they're teaching in, in the gender courses have anything to do with

00:38:47.040 science. It's all to do with a belief system, same as any other religion, but this entitlements

00:38:53.280 sense to children and access to children's minds that other religions do not have. Uh, 0.97

00:38:59.600 so other than to be told, oh, today is, you know, uh, Yom Kippur, uh, what is that about? You know,

00:39:06.480 maybe one of our Jewish students can tell us like, that's a very different thing from teaching.

00:39:12.320 There are many genders and sex isn't real. Like that's quite a different thing. 1.00

00:39:17.040 Well, there is so much to talk about here. And unfortunately, I think this issue is going to be

00:39:20.960 with us for years to come. Uh, the, uh, guest today, what a pleasure to see her again as Barbara

00:39:26.720 Kay and her latest article in the Epoch Times, which I highly recommend. I have two subscriptions

00:39:31.920 to the Epoch Times, believe it or not. It's called when they say we're coming for your children,

00:39:38.640 believe them. Well, that's our show for today until tomorrow on behalf of all of us here at rebel

00:39:44.800 world headquarters to you at home. Good night and keep fighting for freedom.

Rebel News Podcast - July 19, 2023

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Transgenderism in schools： A feature interview with Barbara Kay

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