Rebel News Podcast - November 16, 2023


EZRA LEVANT ｜ Trudeau accuses Israel of killing babies in his most shocking act of Hamas propaganda yet

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Justin Trudeau Lois McClatchy Miller Benjamin Netanyahu Israel Pai V. Rassanen Pai B. Rastanen Anthony Housefather Winston Churchill Adam Smith Connor Callum Anderson Melanie Jolie Deborah Lyons Stephanie Grism Sarah Jama David Legg David Frum Doug Ford V. And Parliamentarian Twittersphere and 4 more
DAILY Roundup ｜ Everybody's turning on Trudeau, Keeping women's sports female, Social media ID EZRA LEVANT ｜ The cowards hiding behind the Internet are wrong on Hitler and Hamas

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Justin Trudeau came out with his most pro-Hamas statement yet, and it's absolutely shocking. I'll show you some reaction to it, including from Israel, but also from right here in Canada. That's next.

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00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. Justin Trudeau came out with his most pro-Hamas statement yet. Just
00:00:04.960 absolutely shocking. I'll show you some reaction to it, including from Israel, but also from right
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00:00:47.300 Tonight, Trudeau accuses Israel of killing babies in his most shocking act of Hamas propaganda yet.
00:00:54.760 It's November 15th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show. 0.96
00:00:59.280 Shame on you, you censorious bug.
00:01:12.120 Justin Trudeau has gone further than he ever has before. Yesterday, he made a public statement
00:01:17.200 that could have been written by Hamas itself. Here, take a listen.
00:01:20.200 The human tragedy that is unfolding in Gaza is heart-wrenching, especially the suffering
00:01:26.740 we see in and around the Al-Shifa hospital. I have been clear that the price of justice
00:01:34.140 cannot be the continued suffering of all Palestinian civilians. Even wars have rules. All innocent life is
00:01:46.360 equal in worth, Israeli and Palestinian. I urge the government of Israel to exercise maximum restraint.
00:01:59.340 As the world is watching, on TV, on social media. We're hearing the testimonies of doctors,
00:02:11.320 family members, survivors, kids who've lost their parents. The world is witnessing this. The killing
00:02:22.140 of women and children, of babies. This has to stop.
00:02:31.980 You know he's serious because he's using his substitute drama teacher voice. I have been clear.
00:02:38.740 As if the whole world was hanging on his every word. Hey, is the Canadian prime minister weighed in yet? Let's go listen to him.
00:02:45.740 He used the phrase, the price of justice. A war actually is not about justice. I suppose that part of it is justice,
00:02:53.160 but it's actually about making sure that Hamas cannot ever attack Israel again. It's a military objective,
00:02:59.560 not a legal objective. By the way, even though Israel is about halfway through Gaza now, Hamas is still 0.59
00:03:06.000 firing rockets at Israeli civilians literally every single day. They haven't stopped. That's why the war 0.99
00:03:13.200 continues. To eradicate these new Nazis and stop them from shooting. Even wars have rules, I suppose. 1.00
00:03:20.400 Trudeau says it. But what rule is Trudeau suggesting Israel has violated? It's not actually against the
00:03:29.740 laws of war to accidentally cause collateral damage to citizens. It's regrettable, but there is no war
00:03:35.700 in history that has not had civilian casualties, including in hospitals. Here's a headline from the
00:03:42.580 U.S.-led war against ISIS a few years ago. Airstrikes take out ISIS or IS headquarters in Mosul,
00:03:50.260 hospital. I'm sorry it happens, obviously, but that's part of the terrorist move. Have civilians 0.98
00:03:57.700 as human shields. You can't stop that from happening. The terrorists know that's your law and they'll use
00:04:03.020 your law against you. It's very well known that Hamas deliberately uses hospitals as their terrorist
00:04:09.740 bases. Here's the Wall Street Journal citing U.S. intelligence confirming it. But we don't need
00:04:15.240 intelligence guesses anymore. Israel is now in the Al-Shifa hospital in Gaza, the main hospital,
00:04:21.020 and they've already found all sorts of Hamas terrorist weapons in the hospital already.
00:04:28.060 That was known, by the way, before Trudeau made his speech last night.
00:04:31.600 So Israel does have rules of war, and it does follow them. It goes further than most allied 0.95
00:04:39.100 armies do. It provided a humanitarian corridor to let the civilians out. It dropped a million
00:04:44.080 leaflets telling civilians to get out, and most of them did. That's not just following the rules of
00:04:50.120 war. It's following those rules of war more than any other military in world history has done.
00:04:53.900 I don't want to laugh right now, but this made me chuckle. Take a look.
00:05:01.580 On this day in 1944, heartless Winston Churchill refused a ceasefire and continued the genocidal
00:05:10.020 attack on Nazi Germany. As we well know now, far more German civilians have died in the war,
00:05:17.020 which makes them the victims and Britain the war criminal.
00:05:20.360 Say, in his little speech there, why didn't Trudeau ask Hamas to follow the rules of war? 0.89
00:05:27.760 To stop using human shields? To stop shooting at Israeli civilians? To release
00:05:32.400 the hostages? Not a word about their obligations. None of those things are permitted under the laws
00:05:39.060 of war, or any laws, actually. That's what I mean when I say that Trudeau perfectly echoed the Hamas 0.99
00:05:44.200 talking points. Imagine not having a word to say about terrorists holed up in a hospital,
00:05:50.600 terrorists holding babies as hostages. Not a word about any of that, not even in his drama teacher
00:05:56.520 voice. But that last part there, the world is witnessing the killing of children and babies,
00:06:03.920 that Trudeau said. That's pure blood libel. That's pure medieval-style Jew hatred. I mean,
00:06:09.760 why not just say Jews use blood to bake their matzah bread, or Jews poison the village well? 0.97
00:06:17.500 Immediately, Hamas has used that propaganda. Trudeau said it last night, it's already in
00:06:21.820 circulation, that killing of the babies line. It was a shocking attack by Trudeau, so one-sided,
00:06:28.780 and it was very late at night in Israel, but no one less than the Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu
00:06:34.080 himself replied at length. Let me read to you his reply written in English and published on Twitter.
00:06:40.680 Justin Trudeau, it is not Israel that is deliberately targeting civilians, but Hamas, 0.78
00:06:45.140 the beheaded, burned, and massacred civilians in the worst horrors perpetrated on Jews since the
00:06:50.380 Holocaust. While Israel is doing everything to keep civilians out of harm's way, Hamas is doing 0.98
00:06:55.300 everything to keep them in harm's way. Israel provides civilians in Gaza humanitarian corridors
00:07:00.920 and safe zones. Hamas prevents them from leaving at gunpoint. It is Hamas, not Israel, that should 0.95
00:07:06.460 be held accountable for committing a double war crime, targeting civilians while hiding behind
00:07:11.920 civilians. The force of civilization must back Israel in defeating Hamas barbarism. 0.97
00:07:18.700 I think, if I'm not mistaken, by the way, that the only G7 leader who has not visited Israel during the
00:07:25.600 war is Trudeau. It's pretty obvious why. He's pro-Hamas. But I couldn't help think of our substitute
00:07:31.640 drama teacher taking a run at Netanyahu. Here's a tweet I made of the two leaders and how they spent
00:07:38.440 their youth. Yeah, it's not a comparison in terms of gravitas, is it? It wasn't just Netanyahu who
00:07:46.680 responded to Trudeau, by the way. Here's the Israeli leader of the opposition. So basically, all of Israel 0.66
00:07:52.940 thinks Trudeau is a schmuck. Yair Lapid said, Prime Minister Trudeau, Israel is defending itself in 0.99
00:07:59.100 difficult conditions against a brutal terrorist organization while trying to rescue babies,
00:08:04.080 children, women, and men who are being held hostage by Hamas ISIS. Responsibility for this terrible 0.94
00:08:09.220 situation rests with Hamas ISIS. Then he wrote a second part, Hamas launches this war, Hamas hides in
00:08:16.600 civilian buildings, and Hamas abuses Gazans as human shields. If Canada ever found itself under a
00:08:22.520 sustained and brutal attack like the one we face now, you would find Israel by your side. We expect 1.00
00:08:27.960 the same support. Trudeau was being one-sided against the democracy, and he was smearing that
00:08:34.760 democracy, and he didn't have a word to say against Hamas itself. He's retailing propaganda against
00:08:40.660 Israel like he did when he prematurely declared that Israel had attacked another hospital with a
00:08:46.480 missile. Remember a few weeks ago? But very soon it was found out that it was actually a Palestinian 1.00
00:08:51.220 terrorist rocket that went astray that hit the hospital. Trudeau still hasn't apologized for his
00:08:57.220 lie, by the way, nor has Melanie Jolie, the foreign minister who did the same. There's a lot of lying going
00:09:03.740 on. Look at this stunning, half-hearted apology by the BBC.
00:09:08.120 And now an apology from the BBC. BBC News, as it covered initial reports that Israeli forces has
00:09:15.320 entered Gaza's main hospital. We said that medical teams and Arab speakers were being targeted.
00:09:21.260 This was incorrect and misquoted a Reuters report. We should have said IDF forces included medical teams
00:09:28.280 and Arabic speakers for this operation. So we apologize for this error, which fell below our
00:09:34.200 usual editorial standards. The correct version of events was broadcast minutes later.
00:09:39.080 Yeah, what a lie. Here's actual images of Israel bringing in incubators and other medical supplies
00:09:44.600 to that hospital. They didn't destroy the hospital. A hospital, but there sure were a lot of non-hospital
00:09:51.980 people in there when the Israelis were about to arrive who were panicking. Why would a doctor at a
00:09:57.640 hospital panic? Well, those weren't doctors, were they? You know, I don't quote him much these days,
00:10:03.320 but David Frum had an accurate tweet about Trudeau. Here's what he said.
00:10:07.960 Justin Trudeau's public reprimand of Israel tonight will have zero effect on the region. He must know that.
00:10:14.920 In Canada, however, his words will be heard as permission by those harassing Jews. He should know that too. 1.00
00:10:21.880 He is risking Jewish safety to cushion the drop in his polls. I think that's exactly right. 1.00
00:10:27.800 I think Trudeau alienated some Muslims a few months ago by saying that any parent who is worried about
00:10:32.840 transgender extremism in schools is probably a racist. Trudeau said that. I think he's trying to
00:10:37.640 win those voters back and shore up his support in general. But it's never enough, is it? You can't
00:10:42.360 negotiate or compromise with terrorists. They'll just accept your compromise as their new starting
00:10:47.480 point, their new front line, and continue their attack from there. Here's that Firas al-Najm guy who we 0.99
00:10:52.680 did a show about the other day. He had that fake Hamas Remembrance Day, remember?
00:10:58.360 And here he is heckling Trudeau a couple of days ago.
00:11:00.920 Why are you supporting Israel? Don't push me. Don't push me. 0.97
00:11:03.240 I'm standing.
00:11:05.240 Why are you supporting Israel? Hey, relax. I'm talking to our prime minister. Don't breach my
00:11:13.240 rights. Why do you say Hamas is a terrorist organization?
00:11:15.800 It's not a terrorist organization. No, they're Palestinian resistance. What about Ukrainian 0.98
00:11:23.960 resistance? You're just, you're just bowing down to the Israelis. 1.00
00:11:31.000 Why they can't fight back? They can't fight back. Shame on you, Trudeau. Shame on you.
00:11:38.520 He stood with the Israelis, with the war criminals, the ones that are breaching international law, 0.99
00:11:43.000 killing babies. That was him a few days ago. And last night, a swarm of about dozens of Hamas 0.99
00:11:48.520 supporters, they surrounded Trudeau at a restaurant in Vancouver. A hundred Vancouver police had to be
00:11:55.880 deployed. And the Hamas supporters attacked the police. Some charges were laid. But look,
00:12:02.680 everyone seems to hate Trudeau, according to polls. The latest poll out by Abacus shows Trudeau is at an
00:12:10.360 all-time low for approval. Just staggered down in the past week. 58% of people disapprove of him,
00:12:17.160 just 25% approve. Looks like the NDP is sopping up some of that pro-terrorism vote. I mean,
00:12:24.040 I don't think that even Trudeau can compete with this. Shame on the double standards of the Western
00:12:31.320 world when they talk about an international rule-based order. Because the world is awakening to the
00:12:39.960 atrocities in Gaza, the atrocities in Palestine, and the atrocities in the Western. The extreme example 0.60
00:12:50.280 set by the authoritarian Doug Ford regime to censor my sister, Sarah Gemma,
00:12:58.760 alone with her removal from her own caucus, will ensure and embolden others to become less tolerant
00:13:12.440 dirty. And the occupation. And the occupation. And the occupation.
00:13:27.880 End the siege of Gaza. End the siege of Gaza. End the siege of Gaza. End the siege of Gaza. End the siege of Gaza. I love you. I love each and every one of you. Know that you're making a difference. Know that your actions matter. Know that there are people listening.
00:13:46.740 That's an actual NDP member of Parliament. But I think the stupidest statement I've seen this week goes to the woman that Trudeau just appointed to be his anti-Semitism commissioner. And before you ask, that means she's against anti-Semitism, not for it. I should clarify because with Trudeau, you never know. 0.98
00:14:06.680 So look at this. This is what she said. Her name is Deborah Lyons. Someone had written, oh, just lovely. We can now fight Hamas with World Kindness Day. Gee whiz. Why didn't we ever think of that? So a sarcastic comment about World Kindness Day.
00:14:22.380 And Trudeau's appointee in charge of fighting anti-Semitism actually wrote back, worth a try. And heaven knows we need a little more kindness these days. Are you serious? That's how you're going to fight back against anti-Semitism.
00:14:36.680 That's how you're going to fight back against Hamas, the murders and the rapes of countless Jews, the hostages. That's how you're going to fight back against screaming jihadist mobs, by acts of kindness. What a fool. What an embarrassment.
00:14:49.260 But really, what can she do? I mean, look at her boss. What can she do other than resign? She's looking for anti-Semitism. It's coming from inside the house, lady. It's coming from Justin Trudeau himself.
00:15:02.220 I mentioned that the largest pro-Israel rally in history happened yesterday in Washington, D.C., and a couple of Trudeau's Jewish cabinet ministers went down there.
00:15:12.320 Here's Anthony Housefather, who's a junior cabinet minister. He says,
00:15:16.620 Today, in the world's most powerful democracy, in front of the Capitol in D.C., Ya'ara, Sachs, David Legge, and I joined 250,000 others to support Israel, demand the release of the hostages held by Hamas, and to denounce the rise of anti-Semitism.
00:15:30.500 We gained strength from each other today. Got it. Got it. So while Trudeau is in Canada, denouncing Israel as a war criminal, not mentioning the hostages, his cabinet ministers are hobnobbing in photo shoots far away in another country, showing how pro-Israel they are.
00:15:49.180 Imagine staying on as a liberal cabinet minister in Trudeau's party, after Trudeau calls Israel a genocidal war criminal.
00:15:58.560 As the book of Mark says in the New Testament,
00:16:00.900 For what shall it profit a man if he shall gain the whole world and lose his own soul?
00:16:06.800 These Jewish MPs are willing to give up their dignity, their soul, but not for the whole world. 0.64
00:16:12.460 Just for some junior cabinet position in a government that's going to be voted out of office very soon, for that, they're giving up all their dignity and supporting an anti-Semite? 0.98
00:16:22.180 What a disgrace.
00:16:24.900 And the whole world sees it.
00:16:28.320 Stay with us for more.
00:16:29.440 We are focused like a laser on the war between Israel and Hamas because that war is having reverberations around the world, including here on the streets of Canada.
00:16:49.880 So we'll continue to talk about that.
00:16:51.660 And I see by all polling that Canadians and Americans or Brits are following the war very closely, but that does not mean that there are not other issues around the world.
00:17:01.460 And in fact, I think a lot of the issues that we talk about, wokeness, cultural Marxism, censorship, mass immigration, these are issues that have fed into the Israel-Hamas crisis,
00:17:13.040 certainly how the crisis manifests itself on the streets of Canada.
00:17:16.700 And so I want to bring you a story from Finland, a country very far away, a country that's not much in the news,
00:17:24.340 but a country that has succumbed in some ways to this wokeness, this censorship.
00:17:30.820 Recently, actually, it's not that recently, a Finnish parliamentarian was criminally prosecuted for hate speech for her opposition to LGBTQ2S plus views.
00:17:45.300 She was victorious, but that was appealed, if I'm not mistaken, by crown prosecutors to an appeal court.
00:17:53.000 They really wanted to get their pound of flesh.
00:17:56.320 Well, the good news is the Court of Appeal unanimously threw out the charges.
00:18:02.300 But of course, as you know, the process is the punishment.
00:18:05.460 What the heck was happening in Finland?
00:18:08.900 Is it widespread in that country and elsewhere?
00:18:11.620 Joining us now live via London to talk about it is Lois McClatchy Miller,
00:18:17.140 who is an advocate with the Alliance Defending Freedom that helped the Finnish parliamentarian in court.
00:18:23.100 Lois, nice to see you.
00:18:24.760 Did I accurately sum up the facts of the case of, let me see if I can pronounce this Finnish name,
00:18:30.980 of parliamentarian Pai V. Rassanen.
00:18:35.120 Did I get that right?
00:18:36.160 That's a very good pronunciation.
00:18:39.180 Exactly.
00:18:39.680 Very few can do it first time.
00:18:41.420 So well done.
00:18:42.360 Yes, Pai V was indeed the politician and grandmother of a living and Christian,
00:18:49.040 who four years ago tweeted, and she tweeted her church leadership.
00:18:52.760 And she said, where in the Bible do you find justification to sponsor the Helsinki Pride event?
00:19:01.420 Obviously, this was a debate going on in her church at the time.
00:19:04.320 She was speaking into this cultural issue, and she raised that question to her church leadership.
00:19:09.340 She attached a little picture of some Bible verses from Romans.
00:19:13.460 Well, little does she know that four years later, three criminal charges, two court trials later,
00:19:23.160 we would be here, finally free speech prevailing.
00:19:26.880 But what a journey it's been.
00:19:28.920 She was charged, yeah, criminally charged for that tweet and more. 0.91
00:19:32.240 Well, I'm so glad you read out the wording of that tweet, because it was certainly not
00:19:37.260 a vile, grotesque, personal, coarse, or threatening tweet in any way.
00:19:43.700 Rather, the opposite.
00:19:44.580 It was a question.
00:19:45.520 And by the way, that question could have an answer.
00:19:48.660 That question is not necessarily hostile.
00:19:51.020 It's where do you find the basis in the scripture for this?
00:19:54.480 I mean, that's a question.
00:19:56.040 If there's no answer to it, then maybe the question puts a point.
00:19:59.160 And I think maybe she knew that.
00:20:00.200 But that is the mildest tweet I've heard all day.
00:20:03.940 I spend way too much time in the Twittersphere.
00:20:06.340 There's profanity.
00:20:07.360 There's even threats.
00:20:08.360 There's propaganda.
00:20:09.680 This was a parliamentarian.
00:20:11.080 If you look at the root of the word, parliamentarian means to speak.
00:20:14.080 Parliamentarian who was asking questions of her own church in a very respectful way.
00:20:17.940 How did this criminal charge come about?
00:20:20.640 What were the charges?
00:20:22.440 Who filed them?
00:20:23.720 Was it the state or was it a complainant?
00:20:25.540 How did Pai B. Rastanen get prosecuted like a common criminal?
00:20:31.220 Indeed.
00:20:32.120 Well, that tweet triggered a police investigation and resulted in three criminal charges.
00:20:39.020 So the first was for the tweet.
00:20:41.120 The second was as they dug into her past, they found other things that she had said.
00:20:45.600 One was in a 2004 pamphlet that she had written for her church congregation.
00:20:51.480 And it was called Male and Female, He Created Them.
00:20:55.620 So you might be able to guess a little bit of the theme that was going on there.
00:20:59.520 And the third charge was related to an interview that she had done in 2019, a little bit like this one,
00:21:06.640 where she had gone on a radio show for an hour and she'd been asked lots of questions.
00:21:10.400 And they took a small snippet out of that, where she was speaking about marriage and sexuality.
00:21:15.220 And they prosecuted her for that too.
00:21:17.400 Now, all three of these charges of hate speech actually fall under the part of the Finnish criminal code titled War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity, if you can believe it.
00:21:31.540 It feels like I'm talking about a Babylon Bee article, but I'm not.
00:21:34.880 That's exactly where those charges are filed under in the Finnish criminal code.
00:21:40.020 So that's what Pai B has been facing for these past four years.
00:21:45.020 That's incredible.
00:21:45.520 Well, you know, we've been focused over the last few weeks on virulent, sometimes violent hate speech, including sometimes threats,
00:21:55.580 that we've seen on the streets of London, Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal, around the world, calling for jihad, calling for, you know, in Sydney, they were chanting, gas the Jews.
00:22:07.280 Because in many of those, most of those cases, there are no legal consequences, whatever, and not just legal consequences.
00:22:14.140 You don't have the noble people, the official hate finders.
00:22:18.080 None of them are even perturbed by this.
00:22:20.360 Many of them are amongst the chanters of these phrases.
00:22:23.660 So they can't find violent hate speech when it's being shouted at them, but they'll take a microscope and look back to a 2004 church letter to prosecute a parliamentarian.
00:22:41.360 That's insane.
00:22:42.780 Is that how it is in Finland?
00:22:44.620 I've never been to Finland.
00:22:45.620 It's a small country, far away.
00:22:47.960 The only thing I know about Finland is its former PM, that, you know, rave, dancing queen, pop star, influencer, Instagram prime minister who was quickly thrown out by voters.
00:23:00.240 That's all I know about Finland.
00:23:01.640 What do you know about it?
00:23:02.840 Is it a woke place?
00:23:04.460 I have trouble believing it's a woke place.
00:23:06.040 Maybe it is.
00:23:07.900 I think to focus too much on Finland itself would be to miss the great message of this story in a way, because I think it's really a message about Western culture as a whole.
00:23:20.060 With ADF International, we get to have a bird's eye view of a global trend of censorship that's spreading across the world.
00:23:26.160 We have cases that we work on over in Pakistan and Nigeria, where Christians are put on trial and through courts because of things that they've said either online or in person about their faith.
00:23:38.080 And whilst the consequences for if Pivey had been found guilty would have been very different in Europe, the logic of a blasphemy law in, say, Pakistan and a hate speech ban in a country like Finland or another European country,
00:23:52.440 because it's not only Finland that has these laws, is not so different at core.
00:23:58.180 In my country, in Scotland, we're introducing a new hate speech law in the new year that could have similar consequences to that in Finland.
00:24:05.220 In Ireland, they're thinking about doing it there too.
00:24:08.300 So this is really something that's spreading across the West, and we're not quite recognising it for what it is, because it seeks to ban what they call hate speech.
00:24:16.160 And hate speech sounds horrible.
00:24:17.660 And most people would say, well, of course, I'd like to ban hate speech.
00:24:20.320 But what the problem is is that we can't define that very well, and therefore we end up with these vague laws where people like Pivey, who are innocent Christians tweeting Bible verses,
00:24:33.820 are put under the microscope and they're dragged through the courts as the consequences of laws that were perhaps initially intended or interpreted to be about something much more vile.
00:24:45.820 You know, you're so right, and one man's passionate remarks or another man's hate speech, I mean, and that was my point about the absolute raw hatred we've seen on the streets.
00:24:58.860 But in the case of the United Kingdom, the Met police of London said, oh, no, no, you have to understand the context.
00:25:05.980 Those were just peaceful verses from the Koran.
00:25:09.160 And what you quoted from Pivey in her tweet was something to be prosecuted.
00:25:16.620 Incredible.
00:25:17.140 And you're right.
00:25:17.740 This is all around the world.
00:25:19.120 We interviewed some of our counterparts at Gript, which is a new independent journalism group in Dublin.
00:25:26.660 And I'm scared of what's going on.
00:25:29.020 But you're right.
00:25:29.480 It's not just Finland.
00:25:30.560 It just happened to be an outbreak in Finland.
00:25:32.920 But it's in Scotland.
00:25:33.820 It's in Ireland.
00:25:34.480 It's in the UK.
00:25:35.340 We know it's here in Canada.
00:25:37.180 Now, you guys at the ADF, you have been in the news recently for some other battles.
00:25:43.200 Was it you guys who were providing the lawyers defending the lone, peaceful, I'm not even going to call her a protester,
00:25:51.860 just the woman who was standing outside an abortion clinic, totally silent.
00:25:56.480 And the cops came up to her and said, what are you thinking about?
00:25:59.480 No, what are you thinking about?
00:26:00.780 Are you praying?
00:26:02.200 What are you praying?
00:26:03.160 Tell us what's inside your mind.
00:26:04.500 Here's a clip of that just to remind you how insane that was.
00:26:08.640 Can I please ask you to step away from here and step outside the exclusion zone?
00:26:12.900 I'm a protester, we're not engaging in any of the activities.
00:26:15.480 But you've said you're engaging in prayer, which is the offence.
00:26:18.320 It's silent prayer.
00:26:19.320 No, but you are still engaging in prayer.
00:26:20.900 It's silent prayer.
00:26:20.980 It's silent prayer.
00:26:21.040 It is an offence.
00:26:21.260 It is an offence.
00:26:22.740 I disagree.
00:26:23.880 Okay then.
00:26:25.100 So, you would rather that you be arrested and taken away than stand outside the exclusion zone, is that what you're saying?
00:26:32.420 Are those in the two alternatives?
00:26:33.960 Yes.
00:26:34.280 You are outside here when you know you shouldn't be.
00:26:43.880 Yes, that's true.
00:26:45.680 The Public Space Protection Office is not to be stood outside here, doesn't it?
00:26:49.840 I haven't seen that.
00:26:51.440 It says protesting.
00:26:52.800 Yeah, protest. 0.71
00:26:54.140 But people know who you are and they know why you're here.
00:26:57.600 And I know I'm not protesting.
00:26:59.320 But they will.
00:26:59.940 And the people that consistently phone us, which are the residents and the people who use this place, are the ones that say that they know.
00:27:06.940 And it's their perception of events, isn't it?
00:27:08.900 I'm silently playing and that's what I'm doing.
00:27:11.040 Okay.
00:27:11.340 And it's their perception of events which is when you're protesting.
00:27:17.300 Now, I get what you're saying.
00:27:19.200 I completely understand where you're coming from.
00:27:22.240 But it's people's perception, isn't it?
00:27:24.040 I think there has to be some measurable level of intimidation or harassment.
00:27:28.040 And that's not something we're doing.
00:27:29.320 I don't have any intention of it.
00:27:31.300 I'm getting it.
00:27:32.200 So, what we'll start with is we're going to issue you with a ticket now.
00:27:35.900 And if you don't leave the area, you'll then be arrested.
00:27:38.680 Do you understand that?
00:27:39.760 I understand.
00:27:40.400 Okay.
00:27:41.340 I won't ask if you're happy with that, but you're happy that you understand the process.
00:27:44.460 I understand.
00:27:45.140 Yeah.
00:27:45.440 Okay.
00:27:47.780 Were you guys representing that woman there?
00:27:50.300 We were working on that case.
00:27:52.860 We were supporting Isabel's legal defence.
00:27:55.900 And Isabel, can you believe it, is actually only one of several individuals this year in
00:28:00.300 the UK that we're supporting the legal defence of for their thought crimes.
00:28:04.500 In fact, tomorrow, tomorrow I'm going into courts to support one of the people that were
00:28:11.440 helping, Adam Smith-Connor, who also was praying outside an abortion facility, much like
00:28:17.100 Isabel.
00:28:17.420 And he was approached by officers, asked about the nature of his prayer, which eventually
00:28:23.120 led to a criminal charge and a prosecution.
00:28:26.400 So, we are hoping for justice to prevail.
00:28:29.220 But this is another example of the censorship that is rolling out for people across the West
00:28:37.040 under these kind of laws that are specifically, unfortunately, ending up targeting Christians
00:28:42.560 and Christian prayer and Christian thoughts.
00:28:45.100 And so, it is something that we're working very hard on over here in the UK.
00:28:50.800 But it's a great injustice to see people put behind for us simply for their thoughts.
00:28:54.520 Yeah.
00:28:54.740 I mean, the inquiry is, what are you thinking?
00:28:56.480 Tell us what's on your mind.
00:28:58.080 Because what you answer, something turns on it.
00:29:01.100 If you're not thinking the right thought, like that is literally, technically, dictionary
00:29:04.920 definition thought crime.
00:29:06.400 You know, and again, I can't help but think about some sites I saw in these massive pro-Hamas 0.96
00:29:11.880 protests in London, where hundreds of Muslim men started to pray on the streets, blocking
00:29:18.520 streets to get down and pray.
00:29:20.860 And we've seen that in other cities, too, in North America.
00:29:24.360 And I mean, I just can't even imagine a policeman or a prosecutor saying, excuse me, sir, can you
00:29:32.700 tell me what you're thinking about?
00:29:34.000 Can you tell me what's on your mind as you pray?
00:29:36.300 I mean, they would never do that because they're terrified.
00:29:39.080 And the cops have said as much.
00:29:40.620 The police in London have said as much.
00:29:41.920 I think that's what Suella Braverman mentioned when she said there's two-tier policing.
00:29:46.780 She's being sacked from the cabinet. 0.93
00:29:48.540 Well, listen, I'm glad you guys are fighting.
00:29:50.960 I have only recently started to detect your group, ADF, the Alliance Defending Freedom.
00:29:56.800 And it looks like you are doing work around the world.
00:29:59.600 Give me just 90 seconds on some of the other battles you guys are fighting, because the
00:30:04.960 more I look into it, the more you guys are fighting for civil liberties everywhere.
00:30:09.580 We really are.
00:30:10.820 I'm so proud to be part of this organization, mostly because of what I get to see my colleagues
00:30:15.880 do around the world.
00:30:17.580 So over in other parts of the world, we've got people who are defending cases with individuals
00:30:23.220 on death row, who have, we have Yahya in Nigeria, who was, who has been given a death penalty
00:30:32.980 for having committed blasphemy via WhatsApp.
00:30:37.620 And I've got colleagues who are working over there to support his legal defense, to stand
00:30:42.500 up for his freedom, to share his faith.
00:30:45.360 Over in Asia, we've got a team who are working on very similar cases where Christians have been
00:30:51.000 persecuted because of what they believe in.
00:30:53.980 And over here in Europe, we're going to have a different scale of persecution, but still
00:30:59.380 seeing people who are discriminated because of their beliefs.
00:31:03.440 So we've got a team who's working at all the major political institutions in Europe, as well
00:31:07.360 as on the ground, supporting lawyers to find justice for these people and set precedence in
00:31:13.120 cases that can help everybody in society to protect their rights and to flourish.
00:31:17.580 Well, that's very exciting.
00:31:19.280 You know, here in Canada, we have something called the Democracy Fund, which was created
00:31:23.640 during the pandemic to fight back against civil liberties violations.
00:31:27.600 It's exciting that groups like ADF are active, not just in the UK, but around the world.
00:31:31.900 I want to read out your website for those who are interested.
00:31:34.740 It's adfinternational.org.
00:31:38.440 And I detected you because when I saw these people being harassed by police, asked what's
00:31:47.360 on their mind, I looked into it and I was delighted and relieved to learn that they were
00:31:52.280 getting legal help.
00:31:53.540 I know when I was a young man, before I had any means, I was often in trouble with censors
00:31:59.240 or politically correct people.
00:32:00.560 And you just can't afford a lawyer.
00:32:02.580 You don't even know how to get a lawyer.
00:32:04.360 And I certainly haven't forgot that now that I am able to muster lawyers and I know my
00:32:09.620 way around.
00:32:10.460 One of my favorite things about the Democracy Fund, and it's what ADF International is doing,
00:32:14.540 is giving people a lawyer because you just need those to fight back.
00:32:19.280 You need other things too in the fight back, but lawyers are a must.
00:32:22.360 Well, listen, Lois McClatchy-Miller, what a pleasure to catch up with you.
00:32:25.120 Thank you for giving us the update.
00:32:26.920 And congratulations to the Finnish parliamentarian.
00:32:31.160 I'm just going to say your name one more time just to practice.
00:32:34.340 Hi, V.
00:32:35.420 And, but I take your point.
00:32:37.260 It's not a particularly Finnish thing.
00:32:39.480 We've seen the same around Europe, in the UK, and in Canada.
00:32:45.860 I can't think of a case in the United States offhand, but there probably are cases there
00:32:49.500 too, despite their First Amendment.
00:32:51.300 So keep up the fight, Lois, and we'll keep an eye peeled.
00:32:54.040 And if you have more stories like this, make sure to give us a bell.
00:32:57.520 I will.
00:32:58.260 Thank you so much, Esma.
00:32:59.220 And thanks for showing these stories to the rest of the world.
00:33:01.240 Well, we sure will.
00:33:02.200 And we'll continue to do it.
00:33:03.200 There you have it.
00:33:03.680 Lois McClatchy-Miller from ADF, the Alliance for Defending Freedom.
00:33:08.940 Stay with us.
00:33:09.880 More ahead.
00:33:10.400 Hey, welcome back.
00:33:22.660 Your letters to me, ex-YouTube Canadian, says, that's a whole lot better than the hate marches
00:33:27.560 we've seen in support of Hamas terrorists, 300,000 strong.
00:33:30.760 Yeah, there was no shouts for jihad.
00:33:33.980 There was no calls for intifada, no calls for murder.
00:33:37.060 There was sorrow, in fact.
00:33:38.760 It's a little bit different, isn't it?
00:33:39.940 Stephen Cruz says, the haters keep claiming not to hate. 0.99
00:33:42.940 Ridiculous. 0.96
00:33:43.680 Well, not just they claim not to hate. 0.77
00:33:45.920 So many of them are professional anti-hate activists, diversity, equity, inclusion activists.
00:33:51.600 So many of the people who've been so hateful have actually been the ones who claim to be
00:33:57.500 part of the tolerance industry.
00:34:00.340 Callum Anderson says, the fact that she covers her face and voice says a lot.
00:34:04.120 Just wow.
00:34:04.840 You're talking about that alleged high school student who's dressed up like a terrorist.
00:34:08.660 Well, if there was some active anti-Islamic activism or something in school, which I find
00:34:14.980 hard to believe, by the way, why wouldn't you just complain about it?
00:34:17.980 I mean, there's certainly no shortage of journalists who would cover it.
00:34:20.240 No shortage of politicians and lawyers who would champion it. 0.96
00:34:23.420 I think it's because she's a propagandist and a liar, but she's role-playing as a terrorist 1.00
00:34:28.840 to make a secret video wrapped up like that. 0.97
00:34:31.340 That's live action role-playing as a terrorist. 0.97
00:34:33.660 It's so gross. 0.95
00:34:35.620 That's our show for today.
00:34:37.320 Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home,
00:34:41.060 good night and keep fighting for freedom.
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