Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Trudeau 'alters reality' on foreign interference

00:00:00.000 Oh, we've got an old friend on the show today, Dr. John Robson, one of the smartest guys out there.

00:00:04.860 We're going to go through some videotape together of Justin Trudeau at the Hoag Commission. Who's

00:00:12.020 Hoag? What's that? That's the Commission of Inquiry into Foreign Interference into Canadian

00:00:17.660 Democracy. Oh my God, has Justin Trudeau said some stupid things? I want to show you them,

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00:00:48.720 Tonight, Justin Trudeau takes the stand in the Foreign Interference Commission of Inquiry.

00:01:00.060 Oh, he said some atrocious things. It's October 16th, and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:05.520 You're fighting for freedom! Shame on you, you censorious bug!

00:01:11.600 Well, it was extremely irregular the other day when the RCMP had a press conference saying that India

00:01:28.100 was implicated in some of the most atrocious crimes on our Canadian soil. And they excused their press

00:01:35.960 conference by saying they had a duty to warn. I haven't heard of that duty before. Perhaps it

00:01:42.620 exists. I didn't know it was a duty to have a press conference. Typically, I would think the police,

00:01:47.800 if they have detection of something nefarious, would go to the government, would go to the prime

00:01:53.940 minister, the foreign minister, would do something like that. But no, apparently, duty to warn meant

00:01:58.500 having a spectacular press conference, which just happened to change the subject of the national

00:02:04.300 discussion from the mutiny in Justin Trudeau's liberal minority. Well, today, Justin Trudeau

00:02:10.720 has doubled down on changing the channel. He was a witness at the Hogue Commission of Inquiry.

00:02:18.400 That's named after the judge presiding. It's an inquiry into foreign interference in Canada,

00:02:24.180 which, of course, Trudeau himself is up to his eyeballs in. You might recall that a few years ago,

00:02:31.380 Justin Trudeau, Justin Trudeau's brother, Alexandra, personally accepted a six-figure check

00:02:36.760 from a People's Republic of China connected businessman. Six-figure check for the Trudeau

00:02:44.280 Foundation personally went to pick it up. Eleven members of parliament had been implicated in

00:02:50.640 Chinese influence operations. Some of them, we know their names, like Handong. Others,

00:02:56.100 we don't know their names. Well, Trudeau was there today. And I don't know, the only way I can explain

00:03:02.400 what he was saying and doing was, again, he would rather have a crisis and controversy of his own

00:03:08.240 choosing than one of the choosing of his backbench MPs, terrible by the opinion polls. So that's just my

00:03:15.240 thoughts on things. But I noticed today that as our friend Sheila Gunn-Reed was posting

00:03:20.940 interesting video clips of the Hoke Commission that our old friend John Robson, Dr. John Robson,

00:03:28.600 documentary filmmaker, author, columnist, and executive director of the Climate Discussion

00:03:34.120 Nexus, I noticed he was following it closely too and giving his commentary on Twitter. I thought,

00:03:39.740 well, let's have John back on the show and talk to him about this very interesting case.

00:03:44.960 And he joins us now via Skype. Dr. John, great to see you again.

00:03:48.080 Good to be with you. Well, it's nice to have you. What do you make? I don't want to go down the road

00:03:54.520 of my theories too much because the substance of what Trudeau says is something we should talk about.

00:04:00.500 But it felt irregular to have police release details in a press conference and claim they had a duty to

00:04:08.360 do so. I mean, I suppose the police announces when they lay charges. So police press conferences are not

00:04:16.240 a rare thing. But the way this went on, it struck me as highly irregular. Am I being too sensitive?

00:04:23.840 I don't think so, especially given the reasons the government has given us not to trust them,

00:04:28.920 because I agree that the police do have a duty to warn. But where has it been for the last nine

00:04:34.640 years? It's clear that at least some people in power have been well aware of attempts to subvert

00:04:39.960 our democracy. And the main villain here almost certainly is communist China. And they haven't

00:04:45.200 felt the obligation to tell us anything. In fact, we keep getting the Canadian Jedi mind trick. I mean, 0.99

00:04:50.380 almost any subject you ask the government, they say, you Canadians don't need to see that information.

00:04:55.500 But especially on foreign interference, even after we were told that there are a number of MPs

00:05:00.520 whose behavior has been probably worse than merely naive. But nobody will tell us anything about it.

00:05:07.980 And then I just saw the public safety minister today say, oh, it's so hard to have a rational

00:05:12.060 conversation in this partisan atmosphere. No, it's hard to have a rational conversation because we know

00:05:18.240 that you know something we need to know, and you won't tell it to us. And then you say, trust us,

00:05:24.480 but you don't trust the citizens. And so then to have the RCMP suddenly going all out on this Indian

00:05:29.820 issue, when they've never told us what's going on with China, just again, makes one suspect that

00:05:35.720 they're not being frank with us and that they're protecting one another instead of protecting the

00:05:41.060 public. Yeah, that's a great point. A duty to warn is a duty they didn't really live up to these past

00:05:48.540 nine years. It's not just China. Iran, we learn from various investigative reports, including one in

00:05:56.080 Global News, has up to 700 foreign agents running around our streets. In fact, many of them are

00:06:04.720 whipping up these anti-Semitic hate marches. So that's a very manifest, in-your-face, conspicuous

00:06:14.060 form of foreign interference. Of course, it's using the pawns on the chessboard of Canadian permanent

00:06:21.880 residents and Canadian temporary visa holders, but it's being orchestrated by Iran. No duty to warn 0.97

00:06:29.640 there. No press conferences there. I find the whole thing very curious. But let's get to what the prime

00:06:35.240 minister said today. You were following along, and we have a few clips that I saw you react to.

00:06:41.500 Let's play the first one. This is a clip from the whole commission today. John, we'll play it for our

00:06:47.680 viewers, and then I'd like your thoughts on it afterwards. Olivia, go ahead and put in the first

00:06:51.860 clip. And if we can scroll down to paragraph 126. Prime Minister, for your benefit, this is a discussion

00:06:59.200 about a succession of memos suggesting that essentially unclassified briefings be provided

00:07:09.880 broadly to parliamentarians. And what we see here is that NSICOP made this recommendation in 2018

00:07:17.660 2019. And there are three memos that were intended to go to you in some way, shape, or form. So

00:07:25.500 one in December 2019 that was sent to PMO, but never followed up on. And we heard from your staff that

00:07:31.200 that sort of fell through the COVID cracks at the beginning of the pandemic. One in December 2020,

00:07:37.120 which was discussed within PMO, but ultimately not actioned. And that the report mentions one in

00:07:44.020 2022, which was never finalized or even sent to PMO. So just to confirm, first of all, that none of

00:07:52.000 these memos ended up reaching you. Correct? Correct. Okay. And we know that the this initiative of

00:08:00.040 broadly briefing parliamentarians eventually did happen in June 2024. So if none of these reached you,

00:08:06.940 first question I'd like to ask is, should this have happened earlier? And are you troubled that it

00:08:12.000 didn't? My position has always been that providing more briefings to parliamentarians is a good thing.

00:08:21.720 I am fully in favor of it. We all receive security briefings when we first get elected on not leaving

00:08:30.300 documents, hanging around, being careful about when you're speaking, about delicate matters in a

00:08:36.640 restaurant or on an airplane or anywhere people can overhear. We learn the basics of

00:08:42.660 phone hygiene and how you how to keep keep your information secure. And I'm a huge believer in

00:08:57.660 empowering, empowering, empowering parliamentarians to be able to be safe and thoughtful in how they do

00:09:05.320 things. The briefings to parliamentarians that you receive when you get elected, and security briefings

00:09:13.500 ongoing, are not directed by the government of the day. They're directed by the House of Commons

00:09:20.680 itself, the sergeant at arms, if it's a matter of security, the speaker's office, you know, briefings to

00:09:27.120 all parliamentarians is not in general something that the the government of the day is directly involved

00:09:40.120 in. But these these various documents are certainly something of these, these, you know, CSIS has the

00:09:54.120 authorities to go to either the speaker or the sergeant at arms and and request for those briefings. These briefings

00:10:03.260 didn't get to me, but these decision points didn't get to me, but I made it very clear throughout conversations that I would

00:10:11.160 have that I would have approved of or encouraged briefings of parliamentarians. There is a process that I see regularly invoked.

00:10:22.520 About every week or so I sit down with the clerk of the Privy Council, and we go over changes to the senior ranks of the public

00:10:32.760 service, we talk about particular issues that are coming forward. And part of our regular meetings is the clerk highlighting,

00:10:42.820 okay, there's this note that we sent to your office that has been there for a week or two or for too long, and we need a return on

00:10:51.620 this, because this is important, and we need this to be acted on. And I'll say, okay, we'll follow up and we dig it up from

00:10:58.320 the pile of notes that we get and make sure that we prioritize that. In this case, nobody neither CSIS, through their

00:11:06.400 minister to me or directly to the clerk or to the NSIA flag that this was something that was of importance to them that

00:11:15.340 was stalled. And therefore, as you pointed out, they were not acted on in my office.

00:11:23.440 You know, I don't want to call Trudeau a stupid man, because I don't think he is. He's not a serious man.

00:11:32.520 I'm told by people who know him that he spends most of his free time reading science fiction books. So he just

00:11:39.440 chooses not to be briefed. We learned in past meetings of this commission inquiry, that staff

00:11:46.500 would have to read him CSIS notes like a bedtime story, because he literally would not, could not

00:11:53.760 read them himself. He just didn't care enough. They treated him like a child that way. So he's sort of

00:12:01.200 stupid in that he chooses not to know things. But he's obviously not stupid if he can win election after

00:12:06.800 election after election. He has what's sometimes called an EQ, sort of an emotional intelligence.

00:12:12.860 And what I saw there is a guy who was talking out the clock. He was asked specific questions

00:12:19.580 of why he didn't see security briefings. And he started with a five minute story

00:12:24.020 about how when you go to parliament, you're told not to leave documents around.

00:12:28.120 He's just, I mean, there's no other way to say it. He's a bullshitter.

00:12:32.480 And that works on 99% of the press gallery. And the 1% it doesn't work on are not allowed to ask

00:12:40.560 him questions anyway. I mean, it wasn't a spectacular, catastrophic answer like you might

00:12:50.300 see from Kamala Harris, because she's not as good a talker as him. But I think we have a fool as a 0.99

00:12:56.340 prime minister. What do you take away from that long ramble we just heard?

00:12:59.920 I'm afraid I agree with you by and large. I mean, he avoided the most catastrophic

00:13:06.480 way that he sometimes presents. He didn't do the sneering glibness, which would have created

00:13:11.440 endless disastrous clips. But his testimony was not intended to tell us what the foreign

00:13:18.080 threats are to the country, and how afraid we should be of them. It was all about how none of

00:13:23.280 it was his fault. And it's rather peculiar listening to it, because on the one hand, he didn't get the

00:13:28.840 briefings. The memos didn't get to him, but that wasn't his fault. It's not as though he created

00:13:33.440 the expectation that he shouldn't hear about these things. But at other points, he would say, well,

00:13:37.780 look, what's in those briefing points was never said to me. On the other hand, it didn't need to

00:13:43.240 be because this sort of thing had come up in other conversations. So at the one and the same time,

00:13:48.480 he was never informed of anything that it might be embarrassing to know why he didn't act on it.

00:13:52.460 But on the other hand, he wasn't clued out. He knew everything because, of course,

00:13:56.500 he had these deep conversations with people of which there is no record and on which he cannot

00:14:01.180 be pinned down. And the overall effect, though, he is good at it. Again, I agree with you that he is

00:14:06.780 not a stupid man, but he is not a wise man. But he totally missed the point. If you want to rebuild

00:14:13.720 trust, if you want to have a rational discussion, those in power need to tell us not just when they knew

00:14:20.420 things or what they knew, they need to tell us what's going on. Who are these MPs whose loyalty

00:14:25.680 is suspect or whose judgment is obviously terrible? How big are the threats to Canada? Where are they

00:14:30.820 coming from? And what really is being done about it? And instead, Trudeau did a very kind of put you

00:14:35.740 to sleep performance about how he himself couldn't be proved to have done anything wrong. And even

00:14:42.900 though it was a good performance, it was a good answer, but to the wrong question. Because the

00:14:47.380 question is, how badly is Canada penetrated by hostile foreign actors from Islamists to

00:14:52.140 communists? And this is not an unreasonable question, even if sometimes people, including

00:14:57.340 sometimes people in parliament, put it in ways that could be improved on. And he didn't even

00:15:02.060 try to address it. In fact, he tried not to address it. And so no matter how good his performance was

00:15:07.380 today, it was terrible because we still don't know. And we know that he's not going to tell us what he

00:15:12.460 knows. He's not even going to let us figure out how much he knows that he's not telling us and how

00:15:16.700 much he just doesn't know deliberately or through incapacity. So in that sense, you know, it was one

00:15:22.700 of these disastrously successful performances. You know, Canada used to be part of a Justice League,

00:15:32.500 if I may use a comic book phrase. You know, there's the good guys, there's NATO. But NATO is a pretty big

00:15:38.540 group. G7 is a pretty group, big group, G20. But there was a group called the Five Eyes. Super 0.64

00:15:46.080 friends, you could call them. The close friends. It would be like on Facebook. You can be friends

00:15:50.480 with somebody you don't really talk to, but you have close friends. And this group of five people

00:15:55.040 called the Five Eyes was the United States, the United Kingdom, Australia, New Zealand, and Canada.

00:16:02.720 We were part of the super friends. And we're not really part of that group anymore. NATO had an

00:16:09.300 exercise we did not attend. There's this new group called AUKUS, Australia, UK, and US. It's a military

00:16:16.720 and trade alliance. We weren't even invited. We used to have something called Operation Maple Flag,

00:16:23.220 which was like an exercise, like a Top Gun exercise in Alberta every year. We don't have that anymore

00:16:30.000 because we just don't have aircraft that can fly along with the rest of NATO. We have slowly been

00:16:36.300 pushed out of the good guys club, not in a spectacular way. No one has shamed us. Donald

00:16:42.720 Trump tried to shame Trudeau a bit about our underspending. But I don't think it's just that

00:16:48.140 we don't have a strong military anymore. I think it's that we're not serious diplomatically anymore.

00:16:54.500 And I actually think that the penetration of our system by foreign interferers, communist China 0.98

00:17:03.060 especially, but also Iran and others, I actually think that Washington DC does not trust Trudeau or

00:17:11.480 the Canadian government. And they're not being angry. They're not being noisy about it. They're

00:17:16.020 just sort of backing away from us. And they've made new friends. And I think that's happening.

00:17:21.940 What do you think about that? It is happening. And it's a very shameful

00:17:26.440 and dangerous thing. I mean, the five eyes, it's interesting. Another way of describing them is

00:17:30.560 the Anglosphere, right? The United States, Great Britain, Australia, New Zealand, and Canada.

00:17:35.520 And I'm not going to go too far into that. Although remember, Trudeau did infamously say that

00:17:39.860 politicians from Quebec were much better than politicians from the English speaking part of

00:17:43.960 the country. Maybe he was not entirely right about that. But one of the problems here is that anybody

00:17:49.460 who's even partway serious about security knows that Canada is a soft touch, not just for terror

00:17:54.600 groups that we let operate here, that we finally, you know, banned Samadun, but also for money laundering.

00:17:59.840 And there was just this huge problem with one of our major banks. We don't police international

00:18:04.740 crime of all sorts. And our allies know it. They can't trust us. Our politicians are frivolous.

00:18:10.180 Our institutions are complacent and mediocre. And we're just not the country that we were vital in

00:18:17.340 both world wars, a key ally in the Cold War, someone you could count on to do the right thing,

00:18:22.020 even if like all politicians, ours tended to do some silly stuff, like the pseudo American ones.

00:18:27.380 But we've lost that status. And I don't know why they're so shy about shaming us. It might help wake

00:18:32.560 us up. But they know. They know that you let the guy with the socks do his selfies and things.

00:18:38.400 And then once he's out of the room, you have the serious discussions. And we ought not to tolerate

00:18:43.460 this. I mean, again, you can't always just blame the politicians. We're the voters. This is still a

00:18:48.080 self-governing society. We call it the picture of Dorian voter. The more hideous they look,

00:18:52.860 the more we should worry about how we're behaving. But for whatever reason, and this comes back to the

00:18:58.020 subject of the inquiry, Canada is badly penetrated by hostile actors. And the whole focus of our elite

00:19:03.980 is making sure that we never find out what's happening rather than saying, yeah, this is a

00:19:09.140 big problem. We trust you, the citizens. We're going to put it on the table for you. If we made

00:19:14.140 mistakes, we're going to confess. But let's get it fixed. And that's the last thing they're ever

00:19:18.420 going to say. So our status will just continue to dwindle. Yeah. You know, you're so right about

00:19:24.100 the socks. I remember Trudeau's first big international trip after he was elected in the fall of 2015.

00:19:30.540 It was actually the World Economic Forum in Davos in January 2016. And he went and he took a huge

00:19:37.520 entourage and he had photos taken of him with U2, the band, and all these Hollywood types. And he met

00:19:45.660 with George Soros. And he was showing everyone his fancy socks, which he was really into. And people,

00:19:52.180 the first time he showed Angela Merkel his fancy socks, like it would be like you're at a cocktail

00:19:57.680 party and someone tells you a funny joke. Okay, that's cute. Okay, can we get back to why we're

00:20:03.160 meeting here? I have such a packed agenda. I have so many serious things to say. So Trudeau would do

00:20:08.280 his fancy socks thing. And the other leaders were wise to sort of laugh at first. Okay, fine. He's got

00:20:13.640 this quirk. But it was all fancy socks all the way down. There was nothing underneath the fancy socks.

00:20:18.660 So he would have these unserious tricks. And very soon, you would see all these video after video,

00:20:26.660 and they weren't just selectively edited, of him at these NATO meetings, G20 meetings,

00:20:31.500 by himself. No one sought him out. If he sat down next to someone, they didn't immediately dive,

00:20:39.760 oh my gosh, I'm so glad I caught you, Justin Trudeau. There's something I've been meaning to say

00:20:43.860 about a very important file we have in common. No one ever says that to him. Because as he testified

00:20:49.740 before an ethics commission inquiry, when he was in trouble for taking the free trip to Billionaire

00:20:55.040 Island, he doesn't get briefed on things. He's all about relationships. He leaves the heavy staff

00:21:01.040 to others. I really think he's undone our country. I want to show one more clip, John, and I want your

00:21:06.660 reaction to this. This is another clip from the Hogue Commission today. Here, take a look.

00:21:10.960 The special report then was the product produced by IAS, the PCO Intelligence Assessment Secretary

00:21:17.820 at late 2021, early 2022. And this was, for everyone's benefit, drafted in collaboration with

00:21:26.780 CSIS and essentially an overview of PRC foreign interference activities in Canada. This, as you've

00:21:33.420 said, is one that wasn't finalized and ultimately never reached you and that you have now read. So in

00:21:39.540 that time period where this was under discussion would be winter, spring 2022. And having read

00:21:46.560 it again, and you may have given part of this answer already, but is that something you would

00:21:52.300 have wanted to have at that time? And are there any problems ensuing from the fact that you did not

00:21:59.860 receive it then? Again, there were elements and facts and examples in there that I had not seen before.

00:22:16.580 But the overview and the pulling together of information, while useful, I'm sure, for people who

00:22:30.180 were coming at this without the kind of regular briefings that I got, could have been very useful.

00:22:39.220 I don't feel that there was anything in there that I didn't already understand and know about how China

00:22:48.960 was engaging across different fields in Canada. It wasn't particularly new. It was a very useful and

00:22:58.620 good piece of work that combined and compiled everything. And for someone new to the job would

00:23:05.200 have been extraordinarily important, even not just new to the job of prime minister, new to a role in

00:23:12.060 the office or, you know, trying as an introductory level of, okay, now you're, you need to understand

00:23:19.700 this. But it was a compendium of many themes that I have been grappling with over the past number of

00:23:30.180 years in regards to China. And I, again, feel that the NSIA was justified in not feeling that it was

00:23:42.520 imperative that they put it rapidly on my desk, particularly because as you say, it wasn't yet

00:23:46.920 in its final form. Oh, hi, it's Ezra Levant here in Toronto with an important message, because we

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00:25:52.700 That's absolutely classic, right? So on the one hand, he's not guilty of being ignorant of any of this

00:25:57.020 stuff just because he didn't get any of the briefings. But on the other hand, you can't prove

00:26:01.260 that he knew anything particular if it turns out that it would be embarrassing to have known it and

00:26:05.460 not done anything about it. And you get to the end of that, and you wind up knowing that Justin Trudeau

00:26:10.540 feels that he personally never makes mistakes of any sort on anything, except perhaps he should have

00:26:15.520 done electoral reform. But you have no idea what the threats are, how much he was told, what he did or

00:26:22.200 didn't do about it, and how bad things are now. The end result of statements like that is you're

00:26:27.240 actually more ignorant when he's done. He has sucked knowledge out of your brain instead of

00:26:32.100 putting any more in. And again, he fails to grasp that we need to know now what's going on. You

00:26:39.320 cannot continue this discussion successfully on the basis of making sure that the citizens are kept

00:26:43.680 in the dark. But that's exactly what a statement like that does. It doesn't let us know anything about

00:26:48.600 what's happening. It doesn't let us know anything about what he did or didn't know, what he was told,

00:26:53.120 what anybody's doing about it. The whole thing, again, it's that Canadian Jedi mind trick. You 1.00

00:26:57.700 don't need to see this information. And he thinks we'll all just go away hypnotized because the force

00:27:01.500 has a strong effect on the weak-minded. But trust is crumbling in our institutions because this sort of

00:27:08.320 thing is just having a disastrous effect and we know it. I think he did know a fair bit about what

00:27:19.760 China was doing, but he was fine with it because it was to his benefit. When China targeted conservative

00:27:28.020 MPs that weren't pro-China enough, it was to Trudeau's benefit. When China bust in delegates to vote for

00:27:36.640 certain candidates, he didn't object when China funneled money to the Trudeau Foundation. His own

00:27:42.060 brother picked up the check. He knew what was going on. He didn't say anything because it was to his

00:27:46.680 benefit. He didn't read critical memos. Search warrants weren't signed for months because it was

00:27:54.740 all sort of going his way. He was happy to be a useful idiot to China. I want to play one more clip

00:28:01.820 though because Trudeau talks about foreign interference and he talks about misinformation

00:28:07.520 and disinformation. I think that sometimes you see little flashes of his own little world he's

00:28:14.020 created so he can make sense of things based on disinformation. I mean, I don't know if you

00:28:19.280 remember that clip from that CBC TV anchor who once said that the Russians were behind the trucker

00:28:27.360 convoy. Here's a reminder of that. Take a look. I do ask that because given Canada's support of

00:28:34.260 Ukraine in this current crisis with Russia, I don't know if it's far-fetched to ask, but there

00:28:40.880 is concern that Russian actors could be continuing to fuel things as this protest grows, but perhaps

00:28:48.940 even instigating it from the outset. Well, again, I'm going to defer to our partners in the public

00:28:56.660 safety, the trained officials and experts in that area. Now, that was just a TV anchor, not a wise

00:29:05.000 person, not anyone entrusted with anything. I suppose their job is to tell the truth, but

00:29:09.500 they're a government journalist. What are you going to do? But today, Trudeau blamed Russia and attacked

00:29:17.440 Russia for the trucker convoy for vaccine skepticism. And astoundingly, he even, tell me if you hear it

00:29:27.500 differently. I think he's claiming that Jordan Peterson, the guy whose book says to young men,

00:29:33.240 clean up your room, you know, fix yourself before you fix the world. Him, that he, the Canadians, 0.94

00:29:39.560 Canada's leading public intellectual, is a Russian agent. So he won't deal with the real crises, but he'll call 0.93

00:29:49.180 everyone else a Russian spy because it suits him. Here, take a look at this. Now, this is in French, so you'll hear 0.50

00:29:54.740 the translators. I think this is fascinating because he's insulting his enemies and accusing them of being on the

00:30:02.580 Russian payroll. But he's so obviously rehashing disinformation himself. Take a listen.

00:30:09.420 Based on these findings, it is reasonable to infer that there was Russian involvement in the 2022

00:30:15.140 truck convoy, though the scope and impact remains to be determined.

00:30:19.960 Est-ce que vous croyez que la Russie a amplifié le convoi de la liberté en février 2022 pour distraire le monde

00:30:26.860 ou le Canada de son invasion en Ukraine?

00:30:31.920 Je suis certainement d'accord que la Russie a amplifié le chaos et les désaccords indifférents au Canada

00:30:45.580 autour du convoi. Ils sont très opportunistes à ce niveau-là qui vont amplifier tout désaccords

00:30:54.800 ou différents, surtout dans notre démocratie, dans nos processus démocratiques. Mais je ne… ayant vu

00:31:06.780 ces activités de RT, y compris dans les informations les plus récentes qu'on a eues sur le groupe Tenet,

00:31:17.940 je dirais que ce serait difficile de tirer des conclusions directes sur l'invasion russe et les activités de l'Ukraine

00:31:31.180 et les activités au Canada parce que ces activités russes de propagande, de désinformation, de

00:31:38.560 mes informations sont assez constantes dans nos médias sociaux, dans nos… dans notre démocratie canadienne par la Russie.

00:31:48.540 Donc, de dire que l'un est directement lié à l'autre, je ne serais pas à l'aise sans beaucoup plus de preuves concrètes de faire ce lien-là.

00:31:57.540 Aucun problème. Non, je ne vous demande pas de faire le lien nécessairement, mais j'apprécie votre réponse. On peut aller voir juste les messages qui étaient transmis ou amplifiés dans ce contexte-là. C'est à partir de la page 7. Il y a quelques captures d'écran qui ont été reproduites par la chercheuse. On peut descendre un peu, s'il vous plaît, et zoomer un peu aussi, agrandir l'image pour qu'on puisse mieux voir les titres. Je sais qu'il y en a plusieurs qui s'assentient, mais je vais vous en lire quelques

00:32:27.520 un. Donc, à peu près au milieu, on voit « Canada's Convoy has perfectly exposed legacy media's conceded bias », ou encore « Half of Canadians say Trudeau is not up to the job » ou « MEP accuses Canada of human rights violation ».

00:32:42.520 Donc, le Convoi de la liberté est emmené depuis longtemps, mais ces messages sont toujours véhiculés aujourd'hui, les messages semblants sont toujours véhiculés aujourd'hui, n'est-ce pas?

00:32:50.520 Oui, on a vu que des messages anti-vax pendant le convoi et pendant la pandémie qui ont été amplifiés par la propagande russe,

00:33:05.520 particulièrement dans les médias de droite, a continué par des messages sous les mêmes gens qui partageaient des messages anti-vax.

00:33:20.440 Maintenant, pas pour dire qu'il n'y avait pas des gens légitimement et authentiquement anti-vax au Canada,

00:33:25.920 mais ça a été amplifié énormément par la propagande russe.

00:33:29.920 Et une fois que l'Ukraine a été envahie, on a vu beaucoup de ces canaux se transformer en propagande pro-Poutine.

00:33:39.580 On voit, et comme je viens de mentionner, on vient de voir récemment que RT est en train de financer des blogueurs et personnalités YouTube de droite en Amérique du Nord,

00:33:57.260 y compris avec des noms très, très connus comme Jordan Peterson ou Tucker Carlson,

00:34:05.660 pour amplifier des messages qui déstabilisent les démocraties.

00:34:12.320 Lé parce qu'il n'est pas sûr que l'Ukraine de compreneur,

00:34:33.020 February 14th weeks before there was a war in Ukraine like it just even his 0.96

00:34:38.180 timelines don't add up he'll in he'll smear anyone he doesn't like as a

00:34:43.160 Russian agent McCarthy is style he'll make up things like like Russia today 0.51

00:34:49.160 flooded the zone with anti like no one in Canada watches Russia's and I don't 0.98

00:34:54.500 even think you can get it I suppose you can go online just he is living in his

00:34:59.120 own conspiracy theory world the guy who accuses everyone else of being a

00:35:03.860 conspiracy theorist and a disinformationist he's living in a

00:35:08.480 bizarre alternative universe where Jordan Peterson is a Russian spy he's

00:35:13.220 crazy crazy is the wrong word he's a sociopathic liar who alters reality so he

00:35:20.420 can keep his worldview rather than adjusting to the world around what do

00:35:24.320 you think I think that answer didn't go very well for him he started out quite

00:35:29.000 reasonably saying yes Russian propagandists do try to amplify dissent in

00:35:33.620 Western societies and they do that's the old Soviet phrase about muddying the 0.97

00:35:37.620 waters so that you can fish in them but then he he did drift into his that sneering

00:35:43.920 thing that he mostly avoided him by the time he was after Jordan Petrovich I mean

00:35:47.640 come off it let's get serious here Jordan Peterson's many things but I don't think

00:35:51.540 he's a Russian spy but more to the point I mean if you want to say who exacerbated

00:35:57.660 divisions over the truckers convoy and over vaccines in this country who refused to

00:36:02.220 concede that there might be any moral or mental decency on the side of people who

00:36:07.020 disagreed with him well how about Jay Trudeau you know but he refused to meet

00:36:11.060 with the truckers convoy he smeared them as racist and misogynist before they even

00:36:14.660 got to Ottawa this was a terribly obnoxious thing to do it it's again done

00:36:19.040 lasting harm you think about the alienation of the west and of rural Canada Trudeau played

00:36:24.900 into everybody's worst fears about the Laurentian elite and it did far more damage than RT and

00:36:31.380 any Kremlin black ops could ever possibly have done and I'm not I don't like the Russian 1.00

00:36:36.180 government they're up to no good and certainly they do try to promote uh disharmony in all kinds

00:36:41.380 of ways including social media in Canada but if you don't give them fuel they won't be able to get

00:36:48.960 the fire going and so again he has no self-awareness we talk about what's distorted about

00:36:55.640 his world view part of it is that he's never to blame for anything and therefore he must find some

00:37:01.220 way that his reaction to the trucker convoy wasn't uh Trudeau at his sneering glib offensive worst but it

00:37:08.840 was it was really I think his worst performance as prime minister and that's there's some other

00:37:13.560 places where you might say okay here's a contender too but and and to get go off onto that ramble he

00:37:19.900 could have given quite a short answer and said I know the Russians are up to no good but I don't 1.00

00:37:23.460 think it's all that important and if we conduct our affairs properly they won't have cracks into which

00:37:28.560 they can insert levers that's all he needed to say and uh okay you don't like Jordan Peterson fine but

00:37:34.580 you know like the the Shinsuke going off about the white guard insects and Trotsky being a Japanese spy

00:37:39.780 there comes a point at which you should hear the words coming out of your mouth and think I've

00:37:43.380 just got to find a way to stop this sentence and not say another one yeah it'll be interesting to

00:37:48.080 see how that last one is covered a lot of Canadian journalists are on the left they despise Jordan

00:37:53.400 Peterson they despise his success he really is by most measures the most successful Canadian

00:37:59.300 public intellectual in terms of the tickets he sells the number of books he sells he's a multi-millionaire

00:38:06.860 so it's I think he's despised for his success that he's had success outside the country

00:38:12.800 that he has been such an opponent of cancel culture and he just absolutely whips Trudeau so I think that

00:38:19.800 this attack on Peterson will be echoed by the media party not criticized by it but we'll see

00:38:25.620 John it's great to catch up with you again thank you so much for taking the time with us today

00:38:30.320 I'm going to encourage our folks to take a look at your climate debate nexus did I get that right

00:38:37.160 climate discussion nexus believe it or not I'm a successful youtuber we've had almost 12 million

00:38:42.480 views so do come check us out climate dn great pleasure to be on the show climate dn that's a

00:38:48.700 climate discussion nexus John is the executive director there and of course he's a documentary

00:38:54.120 documentarian author and journalist too keep in touch my friend thanks for coming on today

00:38:58.720 all right stay with us more ahead

00:39:01.980 I want to end by showing you a clip that Avi Amini recorded on the California Mexico border as you may

00:39:18.400 know Avi is in an RV recreational vehicle camper and he's going from San Francisco in a very circuitous

00:39:26.200 route making his way to Florida on election days he's going from sort of headquarters the Democrats

00:39:32.400 to headquarters of the Republicans and he's got a driver and he's got a videographer and they're

00:39:37.480 making videos along the way we're calling it Avi across America it's almost like a reality show but

00:39:42.680 it's real journalism and boy are they having fun down there I was with them for a day in San Francisco

00:39:48.060 here's Avi at the U.S. border I think there's some fascinating stuff let me say goodbye to you now but

00:39:53.420 I'll see you later watch Avi and tune into his show all the time all right good night keep fighting

00:39:59.960 for freedom can I ask you do are there crossings here every day in this area uh you know what we're

00:40:04.440 getting crossings but uh it's uh when it comes down to it's super politicized as far as what's going on

00:40:10.380 out here so they passed a uh uh some type of like executive order so it slowed it down I know you

00:40:17.920 probably saw the news what's it what what's the executive order it's just uh it's limiting

00:40:22.700 crossing we're turning people back to their country and stuff like that oh so you're actually

00:40:25.580 turning them back now some of them it's not it's not as effective as some of the other executive

00:40:32.160 orders but it is working to an extent so it kind of slowed down but we were getting people every single

00:40:37.220 day and we're getting thousands

00:40:38.760 Avi and Mini for Rebel News on the U.S. Mexico border in an area called Hakumba California it's a notorious

00:40:48.720 hotspot for illegal migration as you can see where we are standing right now is a completed section of

00:40:56.100 the Trump wall secure nobody's getting through here but we're going to head into town and talk to

00:41:01.320 locals to find out what's really happening here and where the illegal crossings are actually taking place

00:41:06.580 and of course as part of the aviacrossamerica.com tool how they feel about the looming elections

00:41:13.580 coming up next month aviacrossamerica.com remember you can check out all our reports this entire month

00:41:21.220 there and if you believe in our mission and you want to help us pay for the rv and the accommodation

00:41:25.900 and the flights and everything involved in ensuring that we could do this aviacrossamerica.com

00:41:32.040 we cannot do it without you you ready let's go

00:41:37.040 all good here yeah no one crossing what no one crossing today can you can i give you a number

00:41:47.220 and if they're crossing you tell us where i cannot sorry really it's for australia no one will even

00:41:51.060 know you did it well you can reach out to our public affairs office if you like yeah but then you

00:41:56.640 know how they are with aussies they don't like us they make us get visas can you just covertly can 1.00

00:42:01.060 we covertly follow you around people wouldn't even notice us no um you have to be careful going over

00:42:06.280 i see you're renting one so be careful of that yeah really i don't know what else you're gonna do

00:42:12.520 obviously can't go that way

00:42:14.260 holy shit

00:42:24.740 well done

00:42:27.840 no i did not think we were getting out of that

00:42:30.240 oh my god

00:42:31.440 how does it feel to get out of that

00:42:33.740 oh it was cut and go for a second but um i had a lot of confidence in my four-wheel driving skills

00:42:39.900 uh a little shout out to cruise america thanks for putting together a solid rig

00:42:43.960 recently they've been like walking straight up the street freaking like hundreds of them at a time

00:42:48.800 i don't know who they are you know i'm saying like who's paying the freight for all these people

00:42:53.060 taxpayer i imagine you you got it

00:42:55.500 not happy with that no why should i be we got homeless down in the streets we know they need help

00:43:02.700 we got vets that need help why should somebody else come in and just get a free pass and everything

00:43:08.500 how do they determine who they turn around and who they

00:43:10.700 it's it's one of those things where it's easier it's mostly an agreement with the country

00:43:16.980 so for example uh venezuela is refusing to take them back patriot a lot of their citizens

00:43:23.180 so you have to take them in yeah i as a single individual i'm not going to change anything

00:43:28.460 but if you could you're going to have to get like-minded people together to do it

00:43:32.560 but if you could change something if you could decide what would happen what would you do

00:43:36.900 let's just have legal immigration 0.98

00:43:39.380 and what would you do with the illegal immigrants that are crossing that border there

00:43:43.480 well they're illegal so what would you do they don't belong

00:43:46.160 has it gotten worse or better over the last four years

00:43:49.220 oh it's definitely gotten worse it's definitely gotten worse i don't know what's going on specifically

00:43:53.220 right now i'm not going to lie and be like oh i know exactly what's going on but it's definitely

00:43:56.600 gotten worse for sure and then what do you do with them you put them on buses and

00:43:59.840 process them we have we set them up for an order of removal uh and if they make a they make some

00:44:06.880 type of uh agreement with the country eventually those order of uh removals will take an effect

00:44:13.020 yeah for the most part uh we can't the government can't do nothing right now they aren't picking

00:44:19.020 them up they're just moving them on i mean that's obvious when it stops i don't know maybe if

00:44:24.320 after the next election things will change but if it stays the same it's going to be

00:44:29.820 that way immigrants and migrants come in just walking and then the board patrol pick them up

00:44:34.440 and they bust them they take them in buses and i don't know where they're taking them you know

00:44:37.620 probably i don't really don't know but what are they bringing are they bringing skills are they

00:44:42.420 bringing uh some way to invigorate our way of life or their way of life are they assimilating into

00:44:51.860 american american culture or are they setting up their own little culture in their own little town

00:44:58.080 somewhere where somebody shipped them and then of course you got the voting block to deal with

00:45:03.300 they're getting benefits i'm like i don't get no benefits

00:45:05.440 why don't you put a backpack on and get taken in one of the buses right i know but then they'd ask me

00:45:11.060 for my mexican id if they get the voting block and then all of a sudden they start them voting

00:45:16.540 what do we have 20 million 30 million 40 million people voting yeah to sway a vote sure will it

00:45:24.520 change it of course it'll change it it's obvious harris or trump who are you voting trump why

00:45:31.100 uh it's just my opinion with the way that the way he makes our economy it's be a lot better for me

00:45:37.740 personally just like with the gas prices the way with the oil all that stuff it's just a lot better

00:45:42.500 for me because i can barely afford to go down the hill and get groceries for me and my son and my

00:45:46.780 wife you know what i'm saying so we just pulled in to get some gas and um something to eat and

00:45:52.040 met a gentleman who's willing to take us to the border to show us how they have to do it

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00:47:14.920 where are we what are we seeing here this is inkapah park but right here this is where

00:47:25.880 probably four months ago you probably had like 200 200 or more migrants all here fires everywhere 1.00

00:47:34.620 now see us as locals we can't come out here and just camp and have fires but they had fires all

00:47:39.840 over this mountain you can see their trash is still here they've actually done some cleanup but there was

00:47:44.920 a blue tarp tent that covered this whole area right here see and you got border patrol they'll keep

00:47:50.860 coming by and you got homeland security homeland security that'll come out but this camp i mean you

00:47:56.720 can see see the dirt area all the way to the hills this whole area was covered with migrants and they 1.00

00:48:03.580 were just taking these blue tarps and popping the blue tarps up like that and starting fires so you

00:48:08.860 could drive by the freeway and there'd be 25 open fires out here during fire season so when either

00:48:14.060 border patrol or homeland security catch these guys crossing illegally what do they do with them

00:48:19.860 we'll see how they're all sitting up there right underneath the the electrical thing they bring

00:48:25.660 them down here they give them all their paperwork or whatever wherever they're gonna go new york

00:48:30.900 chicago you know all over the united states then they just go drop them off in town you're literally

00:48:36.280 allowing an insurrection of our country you know it's like you have all these people coming in and i

00:48:42.380 talked to the guy the first time and he just brushed me off like i was nobody we used to literally shoot

00:48:47.240 skeet out here and do all kinds of recreation out here and they took it all from us i see there's

00:48:51.820 toilets set up here who's on that that's the city san diego border patrol homeland security this is the

00:48:59.400 first time we've been out here in probably eight months where there's nobody been here you had china 1.00

00:49:04.040 over here you had africa over here you had the people from india over here you had all the different

00:49:09.100 nationalities separated in just this area from all over the world it's like kennels for dogs

00:49:14.980 if you see groups of like 15 of them it's usually there's one one maybe two coyotes and you'll tell

00:49:26.100 you'll be able to tell them apart from the others because they're gonna have their faces covered

00:49:30.260 they're gonna have gear on you know where the other people just gonna have what they got just a regular

00:49:35.900 old backpack something that you'd see like at walmart you can tell the cartel is different than the

00:49:42.460 just the regular people so we've been camped out here for a few hours now waiting for the sun to

00:49:46.940 come down because we understand from what witnesses locals have told us is that the illegal crossings

00:49:53.040 generally happen a little later in the day in the evening probably when it's a little cooler and

00:49:57.660 easier to to come to walk those long distances and um well our driver linden has found something

00:50:07.100 amongst the fire pits so my observation was it was underneath the rock in a place where the fire

00:50:13.240 wasn't getting to um attempted to be burned it's it's it seems like an interesting document i'm not

00:50:19.020 sure if they get past this as they start their travels or right at the border and if they're told

00:50:25.340 to get rid of any evidence of this but it seems like uh once you're illegally into america here's what

00:50:31.920 you should do this is all just instructions if they send him to an immigration center if you have

00:50:36.800 a criminal or immigration record you're more likely to be sent to an immigration detention center

00:50:41.880 it is possible that they will send you to a center in california another state due to the large number

00:50:48.340 of immigrants crossing the california border the border patrol can take you by plane or bus to texas or

00:50:55.660 arizona for processing from there they could release him into the community or send him to an ice

00:51:00.940 detention center this one's wild it says if you have a physical intellectual you are pregnant you 0.93

00:51:06.580 are over 55 years old or you are lgbtq plus you will have the option of going to a shelter i assume

00:51:15.180 paid by the taxpayer i saw like they had these little notes like these pamphlets without like no branding

00:51:20.840 no no border patrol thing on it but it says like if you're lgbtq we can give you a hostel

00:51:27.240 yeah there's just different sides of the of the aisle that are playing into what's going on that's

00:51:32.040 what i was telling you all right so that's that's not government that's political oh that's political

00:51:36.300 organizations helping politicized this is what's going on so what they're giving him out fly is

00:51:40.860 telling him how to basically game the system yeah there's different sides that are more friendlier

00:51:46.720 to what's going on so they those are mostly of those guys are so they're helping him like telling

00:51:50.940 them how to play it yeah oh wow it's crazy wild all right have a good day stay safe over 55 and gay

00:51:58.180 i would prance right over that border

00:52:00.880 give me the hostel why would they lump a pregnant woman people with intellectual disabilities over 55

00:52:13.960 and lgbtq plus people into one kind of thing what are they having

00:52:20.940 yeah they have absolutely nothing in common in fact if i was lgbtq plus i would be a little

00:52:26.880 insulted that one would think that i would need that extra special help but maybe that's what the

00:52:32.080 intersectionality is all about so it's getting super late now and we have an entire country to cross

00:52:37.740 so far no sign of illegal crossings in this section of the wall tonight so we're going to pack up

00:52:44.840 so we can continue the trip at aviacrossamerica.com let's keep going

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Rebel News Podcast - October 17, 2024

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Trudeau 'alters reality' on foreign interference

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