EZRA LEVANT ｜ Trudeau 'alters reality' on foreign interference
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Justin Trudeau takes the stand at the Hoag Commission of inquiry into foreign interference in Canada's democracy. Ezra and John Robson discuss what the Prime Minister said on the stand, and why he should have been fired.
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Oh, we've got an old friend on the show today, Dr. John Robson, one of the smartest guys out there.
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We're going to go through some videotape together of Justin Trudeau at the Hoag Commission. Who's
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Hoag? What's that? That's the Commission of Inquiry into Foreign Interference into Canadian
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Democracy. Oh my God, has Justin Trudeau said some stupid things? I want to show you them,
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Tonight, Justin Trudeau takes the stand in the Foreign Interference Commission of Inquiry.
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Oh, he said some atrocious things. It's October 16th, and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.
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You're fighting for freedom! Shame on you, you censorious bug!
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Well, it was extremely irregular the other day when the RCMP had a press conference saying that India
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was implicated in some of the most atrocious crimes on our Canadian soil. And they excused their press
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conference by saying they had a duty to warn. I haven't heard of that duty before. Perhaps it
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exists. I didn't know it was a duty to have a press conference. Typically, I would think the police,
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if they have detection of something nefarious, would go to the government, would go to the prime
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minister, the foreign minister, would do something like that. But no, apparently, duty to warn meant
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having a spectacular press conference, which just happened to change the subject of the national
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discussion from the mutiny in Justin Trudeau's liberal minority. Well, today, Justin Trudeau
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has doubled down on changing the channel. He was a witness at the Hogue Commission of Inquiry.
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That's named after the judge presiding. It's an inquiry into foreign interference in Canada,
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which, of course, Trudeau himself is up to his eyeballs in. You might recall that a few years ago,
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Justin Trudeau, Justin Trudeau's brother, Alexandra, personally accepted a six-figure check
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from a People's Republic of China connected businessman. Six-figure check for the Trudeau
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Foundation personally went to pick it up. Eleven members of parliament had been implicated in
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Chinese influence operations. Some of them, we know their names, like Handong. Others,
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we don't know their names. Well, Trudeau was there today. And I don't know, the only way I can explain
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what he was saying and doing was, again, he would rather have a crisis and controversy of his own
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choosing than one of the choosing of his backbench MPs, terrible by the opinion polls. So that's just my
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thoughts on things. But I noticed today that as our friend Sheila Gunn-Reed was posting
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interesting video clips of the Hoke Commission that our old friend John Robson, Dr. John Robson,
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documentary filmmaker, author, columnist, and executive director of the Climate Discussion
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Nexus, I noticed he was following it closely too and giving his commentary on Twitter. I thought,
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well, let's have John back on the show and talk to him about this very interesting case.
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And he joins us now via Skype. Dr. John, great to see you again.
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Good to be with you. Well, it's nice to have you. What do you make? I don't want to go down the road
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of my theories too much because the substance of what Trudeau says is something we should talk about.
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But it felt irregular to have police release details in a press conference and claim they had a duty to
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do so. I mean, I suppose the police announces when they lay charges. So police press conferences are not
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a rare thing. But the way this went on, it struck me as highly irregular. Am I being too sensitive?
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I don't think so, especially given the reasons the government has given us not to trust them,
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because I agree that the police do have a duty to warn. But where has it been for the last nine
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years? It's clear that at least some people in power have been well aware of attempts to subvert
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our democracy. And the main villain here almost certainly is communist China. And they haven't
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felt the obligation to tell us anything. In fact, we keep getting the Canadian Jedi mind trick. I mean,
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almost any subject you ask the government, they say, you Canadians don't need to see that information.
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But especially on foreign interference, even after we were told that there are a number of MPs
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whose behavior has been probably worse than merely naive. But nobody will tell us anything about it.
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And then I just saw the public safety minister today say, oh, it's so hard to have a rational
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conversation in this partisan atmosphere. No, it's hard to have a rational conversation because we know
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that you know something we need to know, and you won't tell it to us. And then you say, trust us,
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but you don't trust the citizens. And so then to have the RCMP suddenly going all out on this Indian
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issue, when they've never told us what's going on with China, just again, makes one suspect that
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they're not being frank with us and that they're protecting one another instead of protecting the
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public. Yeah, that's a great point. A duty to warn is a duty they didn't really live up to these past
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nine years. It's not just China. Iran, we learn from various investigative reports, including one in
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Global News, has up to 700 foreign agents running around our streets. In fact, many of them are
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whipping up these anti-Semitic hate marches. So that's a very manifest, in-your-face, conspicuous
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form of foreign interference. Of course, it's using the pawns on the chessboard of Canadian permanent
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residents and Canadian temporary visa holders, but it's being orchestrated by Iran. No duty to warn
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there. No press conferences there. I find the whole thing very curious. But let's get to what the prime
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minister said today. You were following along, and we have a few clips that I saw you react to.
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Let's play the first one. This is a clip from the whole commission today. John, we'll play it for our
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viewers, and then I'd like your thoughts on it afterwards. Olivia, go ahead and put in the first
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clip. And if we can scroll down to paragraph 126. Prime Minister, for your benefit, this is a discussion
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about a succession of memos suggesting that essentially unclassified briefings be provided
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broadly to parliamentarians. And what we see here is that NSICOP made this recommendation in 2018
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2019. And there are three memos that were intended to go to you in some way, shape, or form. So
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one in December 2019 that was sent to PMO, but never followed up on. And we heard from your staff that
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that sort of fell through the COVID cracks at the beginning of the pandemic. One in December 2020,
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which was discussed within PMO, but ultimately not actioned. And that the report mentions one in
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2022, which was never finalized or even sent to PMO. So just to confirm, first of all, that none of
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these memos ended up reaching you. Correct? Correct. Okay. And we know that the this initiative of
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broadly briefing parliamentarians eventually did happen in June 2024. So if none of these reached you,
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first question I'd like to ask is, should this have happened earlier? And are you troubled that it
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didn't? My position has always been that providing more briefings to parliamentarians is a good thing.
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I am fully in favor of it. We all receive security briefings when we first get elected on not leaving
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documents, hanging around, being careful about when you're speaking, about delicate matters in a
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restaurant or on an airplane or anywhere people can overhear. We learn the basics of
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phone hygiene and how you how to keep keep your information secure. And I'm a huge believer in
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empowering, empowering, empowering parliamentarians to be able to be safe and thoughtful in how they do
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things. The briefings to parliamentarians that you receive when you get elected, and security briefings
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ongoing, are not directed by the government of the day. They're directed by the House of Commons
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itself, the sergeant at arms, if it's a matter of security, the speaker's office, you know, briefings to
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all parliamentarians is not in general something that the the government of the day is directly involved
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in. But these these various documents are certainly something of these, these, you know, CSIS has the
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authorities to go to either the speaker or the sergeant at arms and and request for those briefings. These briefings
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didn't get to me, but these decision points didn't get to me, but I made it very clear throughout conversations that I would
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have that I would have approved of or encouraged briefings of parliamentarians. There is a process that I see regularly invoked.
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About every week or so I sit down with the clerk of the Privy Council, and we go over changes to the senior ranks of the public
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service, we talk about particular issues that are coming forward. And part of our regular meetings is the clerk highlighting,
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okay, there's this note that we sent to your office that has been there for a week or two or for too long, and we need a return on
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this, because this is important, and we need this to be acted on. And I'll say, okay, we'll follow up and we dig it up from
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the pile of notes that we get and make sure that we prioritize that. In this case, nobody neither CSIS, through their
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minister to me or directly to the clerk or to the NSIA flag that this was something that was of importance to them that
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was stalled. And therefore, as you pointed out, they were not acted on in my office.
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You know, I don't want to call Trudeau a stupid man, because I don't think he is. He's not a serious man.
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I'm told by people who know him that he spends most of his free time reading science fiction books. So he just
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chooses not to be briefed. We learned in past meetings of this commission inquiry, that staff
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would have to read him CSIS notes like a bedtime story, because he literally would not, could not
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read them himself. He just didn't care enough. They treated him like a child that way. So he's sort of
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stupid in that he chooses not to know things. But he's obviously not stupid if he can win election after
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election after election. He has what's sometimes called an EQ, sort of an emotional intelligence.
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And what I saw there is a guy who was talking out the clock. He was asked specific questions
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of why he didn't see security briefings. And he started with a five minute story
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about how when you go to parliament, you're told not to leave documents around.
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He's just, I mean, there's no other way to say it. He's a bullshitter.
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And that works on 99% of the press gallery. And the 1% it doesn't work on are not allowed to ask
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him questions anyway. I mean, it wasn't a spectacular, catastrophic answer like you might
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see from Kamala Harris, because she's not as good a talker as him. But I think we have a fool as a
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prime minister. What do you take away from that long ramble we just heard?
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I'm afraid I agree with you by and large. I mean, he avoided the most catastrophic
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way that he sometimes presents. He didn't do the sneering glibness, which would have created
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endless disastrous clips. But his testimony was not intended to tell us what the foreign
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threats are to the country, and how afraid we should be of them. It was all about how none of
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it was his fault. And it's rather peculiar listening to it, because on the one hand, he didn't get the
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briefings. The memos didn't get to him, but that wasn't his fault. It's not as though he created
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the expectation that he shouldn't hear about these things. But at other points, he would say, well,
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look, what's in those briefing points was never said to me. On the other hand, it didn't need to
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be because this sort of thing had come up in other conversations. So at the one and the same time,
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he was never informed of anything that it might be embarrassing to know why he didn't act on it.
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But on the other hand, he wasn't clued out. He knew everything because, of course,
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he had these deep conversations with people of which there is no record and on which he cannot
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be pinned down. And the overall effect, though, he is good at it. Again, I agree with you that he is
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not a stupid man, but he is not a wise man. But he totally missed the point. If you want to rebuild
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trust, if you want to have a rational discussion, those in power need to tell us not just when they knew
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things or what they knew, they need to tell us what's going on. Who are these MPs whose loyalty
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is suspect or whose judgment is obviously terrible? How big are the threats to Canada? Where are they
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coming from? And what really is being done about it? And instead, Trudeau did a very kind of put you
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to sleep performance about how he himself couldn't be proved to have done anything wrong. And even
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though it was a good performance, it was a good answer, but to the wrong question. Because the
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question is, how badly is Canada penetrated by hostile foreign actors from Islamists to
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communists? And this is not an unreasonable question, even if sometimes people, including
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sometimes people in parliament, put it in ways that could be improved on. And he didn't even
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try to address it. In fact, he tried not to address it. And so no matter how good his performance was
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today, it was terrible because we still don't know. And we know that he's not going to tell us what he
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knows. He's not even going to let us figure out how much he knows that he's not telling us and how
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much he just doesn't know deliberately or through incapacity. So in that sense, you know, it was one
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of these disastrously successful performances. You know, Canada used to be part of a Justice League,
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if I may use a comic book phrase. You know, there's the good guys, there's NATO. But NATO is a pretty big
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group. G7 is a pretty group, big group, G20. But there was a group called the Five Eyes. Super
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friends, you could call them. The close friends. It would be like on Facebook. You can be friends
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with somebody you don't really talk to, but you have close friends. And this group of five people
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called the Five Eyes was the United States, the United Kingdom, Australia, New Zealand, and Canada.
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We were part of the super friends. And we're not really part of that group anymore. NATO had an
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exercise we did not attend. There's this new group called AUKUS, Australia, UK, and US. It's a military
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and trade alliance. We weren't even invited. We used to have something called Operation Maple Flag,
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which was like an exercise, like a Top Gun exercise in Alberta every year. We don't have that anymore
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because we just don't have aircraft that can fly along with the rest of NATO. We have slowly been
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pushed out of the good guys club, not in a spectacular way. No one has shamed us. Donald
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Trump tried to shame Trudeau a bit about our underspending. But I don't think it's just that
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we don't have a strong military anymore. I think it's that we're not serious diplomatically anymore.
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And I actually think that the penetration of our system by foreign interferers, communist China
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especially, but also Iran and others, I actually think that Washington DC does not trust Trudeau or
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the Canadian government. And they're not being angry. They're not being noisy about it. They're
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just sort of backing away from us. And they've made new friends. And I think that's happening.
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What do you think about that? It is happening. And it's a very shameful
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and dangerous thing. I mean, the five eyes, it's interesting. Another way of describing them is
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the Anglosphere, right? The United States, Great Britain, Australia, New Zealand, and Canada.
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And I'm not going to go too far into that. Although remember, Trudeau did infamously say that
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politicians from Quebec were much better than politicians from the English speaking part of
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the country. Maybe he was not entirely right about that. But one of the problems here is that anybody
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who's even partway serious about security knows that Canada is a soft touch, not just for terror
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groups that we let operate here, that we finally, you know, banned Samadun, but also for money laundering.
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And there was just this huge problem with one of our major banks. We don't police international
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crime of all sorts. And our allies know it. They can't trust us. Our politicians are frivolous.
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Our institutions are complacent and mediocre. And we're just not the country that we were vital in
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both world wars, a key ally in the Cold War, someone you could count on to do the right thing,
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even if like all politicians, ours tended to do some silly stuff, like the pseudo American ones.
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But we've lost that status. And I don't know why they're so shy about shaming us. It might help wake
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us up. But they know. They know that you let the guy with the socks do his selfies and things.
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And then once he's out of the room, you have the serious discussions. And we ought not to tolerate
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this. I mean, again, you can't always just blame the politicians. We're the voters. This is still a
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self-governing society. We call it the picture of Dorian voter. The more hideous they look,
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the more we should worry about how we're behaving. But for whatever reason, and this comes back to the
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subject of the inquiry, Canada is badly penetrated by hostile actors. And the whole focus of our elite
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is making sure that we never find out what's happening rather than saying, yeah, this is a
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big problem. We trust you, the citizens. We're going to put it on the table for you. If we made
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mistakes, we're going to confess. But let's get it fixed. And that's the last thing they're ever
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going to say. So our status will just continue to dwindle. Yeah. You know, you're so right about
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the socks. I remember Trudeau's first big international trip after he was elected in the fall of 2015.
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It was actually the World Economic Forum in Davos in January 2016. And he went and he took a huge
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entourage and he had photos taken of him with U2, the band, and all these Hollywood types. And he met
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with George Soros. And he was showing everyone his fancy socks, which he was really into. And people,
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the first time he showed Angela Merkel his fancy socks, like it would be like you're at a cocktail
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party and someone tells you a funny joke. Okay, that's cute. Okay, can we get back to why we're
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meeting here? I have such a packed agenda. I have so many serious things to say. So Trudeau would do
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his fancy socks thing. And the other leaders were wise to sort of laugh at first. Okay, fine. He's got
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this quirk. But it was all fancy socks all the way down. There was nothing underneath the fancy socks.
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So he would have these unserious tricks. And very soon, you would see all these video after video,
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and they weren't just selectively edited, of him at these NATO meetings, G20 meetings,
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by himself. No one sought him out. If he sat down next to someone, they didn't immediately dive,
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oh my gosh, I'm so glad I caught you, Justin Trudeau. There's something I've been meaning to say
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about a very important file we have in common. No one ever says that to him. Because as he testified
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before an ethics commission inquiry, when he was in trouble for taking the free trip to Billionaire
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Island, he doesn't get briefed on things. He's all about relationships. He leaves the heavy staff
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to others. I really think he's undone our country. I want to show one more clip, John, and I want your
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reaction to this. This is another clip from the Hogue Commission today. Here, take a look.
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The special report then was the product produced by IAS, the PCO Intelligence Assessment Secretary
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at late 2021, early 2022. And this was, for everyone's benefit, drafted in collaboration with
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CSIS and essentially an overview of PRC foreign interference activities in Canada. This, as you've
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said, is one that wasn't finalized and ultimately never reached you and that you have now read. So in
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that time period where this was under discussion would be winter, spring 2022. And having read
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it again, and you may have given part of this answer already, but is that something you would
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have wanted to have at that time? And are there any problems ensuing from the fact that you did not
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receive it then? Again, there were elements and facts and examples in there that I had not seen before.
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But the overview and the pulling together of information, while useful, I'm sure, for people who
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were coming at this without the kind of regular briefings that I got, could have been very useful.
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I don't feel that there was anything in there that I didn't already understand and know about how China
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was engaging across different fields in Canada. It wasn't particularly new. It was a very useful and
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good piece of work that combined and compiled everything. And for someone new to the job would
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have been extraordinarily important, even not just new to the job of prime minister, new to a role in
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the office or, you know, trying as an introductory level of, okay, now you're, you need to understand
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this. But it was a compendium of many themes that I have been grappling with over the past number of
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years in regards to China. And I, again, feel that the NSIA was justified in not feeling that it was
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imperative that they put it rapidly on my desk, particularly because as you say, it wasn't yet
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in its final form. Oh, hi, it's Ezra Levant here in Toronto with an important message, because we
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That's absolutely classic, right? So on the one hand, he's not guilty of being ignorant of any of this
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stuff just because he didn't get any of the briefings. But on the other hand, you can't prove
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that he knew anything particular if it turns out that it would be embarrassing to have known it and
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not done anything about it. And you get to the end of that, and you wind up knowing that Justin Trudeau
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feels that he personally never makes mistakes of any sort on anything, except perhaps he should have
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done electoral reform. But you have no idea what the threats are, how much he was told, what he did or
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didn't do about it, and how bad things are now. The end result of statements like that is you're
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actually more ignorant when he's done. He has sucked knowledge out of your brain instead of
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putting any more in. And again, he fails to grasp that we need to know now what's going on. You
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cannot continue this discussion successfully on the basis of making sure that the citizens are kept
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in the dark. But that's exactly what a statement like that does. It doesn't let us know anything about
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what's happening. It doesn't let us know anything about what he did or didn't know, what he was told,
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what anybody's doing about it. The whole thing, again, it's that Canadian Jedi mind trick. You
00:26:57.700
don't need to see this information. And he thinks we'll all just go away hypnotized because the force
00:27:01.500
has a strong effect on the weak-minded. But trust is crumbling in our institutions because this sort of
00:27:08.320
thing is just having a disastrous effect and we know it. I think he did know a fair bit about what
00:27:19.760
China was doing, but he was fine with it because it was to his benefit. When China targeted conservative
00:27:28.020
MPs that weren't pro-China enough, it was to Trudeau's benefit. When China bust in delegates to vote for
00:27:36.640
certain candidates, he didn't object when China funneled money to the Trudeau Foundation. His own
00:27:42.060
brother picked up the check. He knew what was going on. He didn't say anything because it was to his
00:27:46.680
benefit. He didn't read critical memos. Search warrants weren't signed for months because it was
00:27:54.740
all sort of going his way. He was happy to be a useful idiot to China. I want to play one more clip
00:28:01.820
though because Trudeau talks about foreign interference and he talks about misinformation
00:28:07.520
and disinformation. I think that sometimes you see little flashes of his own little world he's
00:28:14.020
created so he can make sense of things based on disinformation. I mean, I don't know if you
00:28:19.280
remember that clip from that CBC TV anchor who once said that the Russians were behind the trucker
00:28:27.360
convoy. Here's a reminder of that. Take a look. I do ask that because given Canada's support of
00:28:34.260
Ukraine in this current crisis with Russia, I don't know if it's far-fetched to ask, but there
00:28:40.880
is concern that Russian actors could be continuing to fuel things as this protest grows, but perhaps
00:28:48.940
even instigating it from the outset. Well, again, I'm going to defer to our partners in the public
00:28:56.660
safety, the trained officials and experts in that area. Now, that was just a TV anchor, not a wise
00:29:05.000
person, not anyone entrusted with anything. I suppose their job is to tell the truth, but
00:29:09.500
they're a government journalist. What are you going to do? But today, Trudeau blamed Russia and attacked
00:29:17.440
Russia for the trucker convoy for vaccine skepticism. And astoundingly, he even, tell me if you hear it
00:29:27.500
differently. I think he's claiming that Jordan Peterson, the guy whose book says to young men,
00:29:33.240
clean up your room, you know, fix yourself before you fix the world. Him, that he, the Canadians,
00:29:39.560
Canada's leading public intellectual, is a Russian agent. So he won't deal with the real crises, but he'll call
00:29:49.180
everyone else a Russian spy because it suits him. Here, take a look at this. Now, this is in French, so you'll hear
00:29:54.740
the translators. I think this is fascinating because he's insulting his enemies and accusing them of being on the
00:30:02.580
Russian payroll. But he's so obviously rehashing disinformation himself. Take a listen.
00:30:09.420
Based on these findings, it is reasonable to infer that there was Russian involvement in the 2022
00:30:15.140
truck convoy, though the scope and impact remains to be determined.
00:30:19.960
Est-ce que vous croyez que la Russie a amplifié le convoi de la liberté en février 2022 pour distraire le monde
00:30:31.920
Je suis certainement d'accord que la Russie a amplifié le chaos et les désaccords indifférents au Canada
00:30:45.580
autour du convoi. Ils sont très opportunistes à ce niveau-là qui vont amplifier tout désaccords
00:30:54.800
ou différents, surtout dans notre démocratie, dans nos processus démocratiques. Mais je ne… ayant vu
00:31:06.780
ces activités de RT, y compris dans les informations les plus récentes qu'on a eues sur le groupe Tenet,
00:31:17.940
je dirais que ce serait difficile de tirer des conclusions directes sur l'invasion russe et les activités de l'Ukraine
00:31:31.180
et les activités au Canada parce que ces activités russes de propagande, de désinformation, de
00:31:38.560
mes informations sont assez constantes dans nos médias sociaux, dans nos… dans notre démocratie canadienne par la Russie.
00:31:48.540
Donc, de dire que l'un est directement lié à l'autre, je ne serais pas à l'aise sans beaucoup plus de preuves concrètes de faire ce lien-là .
00:31:57.540
Aucun problème. Non, je ne vous demande pas de faire le lien nécessairement, mais j'apprécie votre réponse. On peut aller voir juste les messages qui étaient transmis ou amplifiés dans ce contexte-là . C'est à partir de la page 7. Il y a quelques captures d'écran qui ont été reproduites par la chercheuse. On peut descendre un peu, s'il vous plaît, et zoomer un peu aussi, agrandir l'image pour qu'on puisse mieux voir les titres. Je sais qu'il y en a plusieurs qui s'assentient, mais je vais vous en lire quelques
00:32:27.520
un. Donc, à peu près au milieu, on voit « Canada's Convoy has perfectly exposed legacy media's conceded bias », ou encore « Half of Canadians say Trudeau is not up to the job » ou « MEP accuses Canada of human rights violation ».
00:32:42.520
Donc, le Convoi de la liberté est emmené depuis longtemps, mais ces messages sont toujours véhiculés aujourd'hui, les messages semblants sont toujours véhiculés aujourd'hui, n'est-ce pas?
00:32:50.520
Oui, on a vu que des messages anti-vax pendant le convoi et pendant la pandémie qui ont été amplifiés par la propagande russe,
00:33:05.520
particulièrement dans les médias de droite, a continué par des messages sous les mêmes gens qui partageaient des messages anti-vax.
00:33:20.440
Maintenant, pas pour dire qu'il n'y avait pas des gens légitimement et authentiquement anti-vax au Canada,
00:33:25.920
mais ça a été amplifié énormément par la propagande russe.
00:33:29.920
Et une fois que l'Ukraine a été envahie, on a vu beaucoup de ces canaux se transformer en propagande pro-Poutine.
00:33:39.580
On voit, et comme je viens de mentionner, on vient de voir récemment que RT est en train de financer des blogueurs et personnalités YouTube de droite en Amérique du Nord,
00:33:57.260
y compris avec des noms très, très connus comme Jordan Peterson ou Tucker Carlson,
00:34:05.660
pour amplifier des messages qui déstabilisent les démocraties.
00:34:12.320
Lé parce qu'il n'est pas sûr que l'Ukraine de compreneur,
00:34:33.020
February 14th weeks before there was a war in Ukraine like it just even his
00:34:38.180
timelines don't add up he'll in he'll smear anyone he doesn't like as a
00:34:43.160
Russian agent McCarthy is style he'll make up things like like Russia today
00:34:49.160
flooded the zone with anti like no one in Canada watches Russia's and I don't
00:34:54.500
even think you can get it I suppose you can go online just he is living in his
00:34:59.120
own conspiracy theory world the guy who accuses everyone else of being a
00:35:03.860
conspiracy theorist and a disinformationist he's living in a
00:35:08.480
bizarre alternative universe where Jordan Peterson is a Russian spy he's
00:35:13.220
crazy crazy is the wrong word he's a sociopathic liar who alters reality so he
00:35:20.420
can keep his worldview rather than adjusting to the world around what do
00:35:24.320
you think I think that answer didn't go very well for him he started out quite
00:35:29.000
reasonably saying yes Russian propagandists do try to amplify dissent in
00:35:33.620
Western societies and they do that's the old Soviet phrase about muddying the
00:35:37.620
waters so that you can fish in them but then he he did drift into his that sneering
00:35:43.920
thing that he mostly avoided him by the time he was after Jordan Petrovich I mean
00:35:47.640
come off it let's get serious here Jordan Peterson's many things but I don't think
00:35:51.540
he's a Russian spy but more to the point I mean if you want to say who exacerbated
00:35:57.660
divisions over the truckers convoy and over vaccines in this country who refused to
00:36:02.220
concede that there might be any moral or mental decency on the side of people who
00:36:07.020
disagreed with him well how about Jay Trudeau you know but he refused to meet
00:36:11.060
with the truckers convoy he smeared them as racist and misogynist before they even
00:36:14.660
got to Ottawa this was a terribly obnoxious thing to do it it's again done
00:36:19.040
lasting harm you think about the alienation of the west and of rural Canada Trudeau played
00:36:24.900
into everybody's worst fears about the Laurentian elite and it did far more damage than RT and
00:36:31.380
any Kremlin black ops could ever possibly have done and I'm not I don't like the Russian
00:36:36.180
government they're up to no good and certainly they do try to promote uh disharmony in all kinds
00:36:41.380
of ways including social media in Canada but if you don't give them fuel they won't be able to get
00:36:48.960
the fire going and so again he has no self-awareness we talk about what's distorted about
00:36:55.640
his world view part of it is that he's never to blame for anything and therefore he must find some
00:37:01.220
way that his reaction to the trucker convoy wasn't uh Trudeau at his sneering glib offensive worst but it
00:37:08.840
was it was really I think his worst performance as prime minister and that's there's some other
00:37:13.560
places where you might say okay here's a contender too but and and to get go off onto that ramble he
00:37:19.900
could have given quite a short answer and said I know the Russians are up to no good but I don't
00:37:23.460
think it's all that important and if we conduct our affairs properly they won't have cracks into which
00:37:28.560
they can insert levers that's all he needed to say and uh okay you don't like Jordan Peterson fine but
00:37:34.580
you know like the the Shinsuke going off about the white guard insects and Trotsky being a Japanese spy
00:37:39.780
there comes a point at which you should hear the words coming out of your mouth and think I've
00:37:43.380
just got to find a way to stop this sentence and not say another one yeah it'll be interesting to
00:37:48.080
see how that last one is covered a lot of Canadian journalists are on the left they despise Jordan
00:37:53.400
Peterson they despise his success he really is by most measures the most successful Canadian
00:37:59.300
public intellectual in terms of the tickets he sells the number of books he sells he's a multi-millionaire
00:38:06.860
so it's I think he's despised for his success that he's had success outside the country
00:38:12.800
that he has been such an opponent of cancel culture and he just absolutely whips Trudeau so I think that
00:38:19.800
this attack on Peterson will be echoed by the media party not criticized by it but we'll see
00:38:25.620
John it's great to catch up with you again thank you so much for taking the time with us today
00:38:30.320
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00:39:01.980
I want to end by showing you a clip that Avi Amini recorded on the California Mexico border as you may
00:39:18.400
know Avi is in an RV recreational vehicle camper and he's going from San Francisco in a very circuitous
00:39:26.200
route making his way to Florida on election days he's going from sort of headquarters the Democrats
00:39:32.400
to headquarters of the Republicans and he's got a driver and he's got a videographer and they're
00:39:37.480
making videos along the way we're calling it Avi across America it's almost like a reality show but
00:39:42.680
it's real journalism and boy are they having fun down there I was with them for a day in San Francisco
00:39:48.060
here's Avi at the U.S. border I think there's some fascinating stuff let me say goodbye to you now but
00:39:53.420
I'll see you later watch Avi and tune into his show all the time all right good night keep fighting
00:39:59.960
for freedom can I ask you do are there crossings here every day in this area uh you know what we're
00:40:04.440
getting crossings but uh it's uh when it comes down to it's super politicized as far as what's going on
00:40:10.380
out here so they passed a uh uh some type of like executive order so it slowed it down I know you
00:40:17.920
probably saw the news what's it what what's the executive order it's just uh it's limiting
00:40:22.700
crossing we're turning people back to their country and stuff like that oh so you're actually
00:40:25.580
turning them back now some of them it's not it's not as effective as some of the other executive
00:40:32.160
orders but it is working to an extent so it kind of slowed down but we were getting people every single
00:40:38.760
Avi and Mini for Rebel News on the U.S. Mexico border in an area called Hakumba California it's a notorious
00:40:48.720
hotspot for illegal migration as you can see where we are standing right now is a completed section of
00:40:56.100
the Trump wall secure nobody's getting through here but we're going to head into town and talk to
00:41:01.320
locals to find out what's really happening here and where the illegal crossings are actually taking place
00:41:06.580
and of course as part of the aviacrossamerica.com tool how they feel about the looming elections
00:41:13.580
coming up next month aviacrossamerica.com remember you can check out all our reports this entire month
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all good here yeah no one crossing what no one crossing today can you can i give you a number
00:41:47.220
and if they're crossing you tell us where i cannot sorry really it's for australia no one will even
00:41:51.060
know you did it well you can reach out to our public affairs office if you like yeah but then you
00:41:56.640
know how they are with aussies they don't like us they make us get visas can you just covertly can
00:42:01.060
we covertly follow you around people wouldn't even notice us no um you have to be careful going over
00:42:06.280
i see you're renting one so be careful of that yeah really i don't know what else you're gonna do
00:42:33.740
oh it was cut and go for a second but um i had a lot of confidence in my four-wheel driving skills
00:42:39.900
uh a little shout out to cruise america thanks for putting together a solid rig
00:42:43.960
recently they've been like walking straight up the street freaking like hundreds of them at a time
00:42:48.800
i don't know who they are you know i'm saying like who's paying the freight for all these people
00:42:55.500
not happy with that no why should i be we got homeless down in the streets we know they need help
00:43:02.700
we got vets that need help why should somebody else come in and just get a free pass and everything
00:43:08.500
how do they determine who they turn around and who they
00:43:10.700
it's it's one of those things where it's easier it's mostly an agreement with the country
00:43:16.980
so for example uh venezuela is refusing to take them back patriot a lot of their citizens
00:43:23.180
so you have to take them in yeah i as a single individual i'm not going to change anything
00:43:28.460
but if you could you're going to have to get like-minded people together to do it
00:43:32.560
but if you could change something if you could decide what would happen what would you do
00:43:39.380
and what would you do with the illegal immigrants that are crossing that border there
00:43:43.480
well they're illegal so what would you do they don't belong
00:43:46.160
has it gotten worse or better over the last four years
00:43:49.220
oh it's definitely gotten worse it's definitely gotten worse i don't know what's going on specifically
00:43:53.220
right now i'm not going to lie and be like oh i know exactly what's going on but it's definitely
00:43:56.600
gotten worse for sure and then what do you do with them you put them on buses and
00:43:59.840
process them we have we set them up for an order of removal uh and if they make a they make some
00:44:06.880
type of uh agreement with the country eventually those order of uh removals will take an effect
00:44:13.020
yeah for the most part uh we can't the government can't do nothing right now they aren't picking
00:44:19.020
them up they're just moving them on i mean that's obvious when it stops i don't know maybe if
00:44:24.320
after the next election things will change but if it stays the same it's going to be
00:44:29.820
that way immigrants and migrants come in just walking and then the board patrol pick them up
00:44:34.440
and they bust them they take them in buses and i don't know where they're taking them you know
00:44:37.620
probably i don't really don't know but what are they bringing are they bringing skills are they
00:44:42.420
bringing uh some way to invigorate our way of life or their way of life are they assimilating into
00:44:51.860
american american culture or are they setting up their own little culture in their own little town
00:44:58.080
somewhere where somebody shipped them and then of course you got the voting block to deal with
00:45:03.300
they're getting benefits i'm like i don't get no benefits
00:45:05.440
why don't you put a backpack on and get taken in one of the buses right i know but then they'd ask me
00:45:11.060
for my mexican id if they get the voting block and then all of a sudden they start them voting
00:45:16.540
what do we have 20 million 30 million 40 million people voting yeah to sway a vote sure will it
00:45:24.520
change it of course it'll change it it's obvious harris or trump who are you voting trump why
00:45:31.100
uh it's just my opinion with the way that the way he makes our economy it's be a lot better for me
00:45:37.740
personally just like with the gas prices the way with the oil all that stuff it's just a lot better
00:45:42.500
for me because i can barely afford to go down the hill and get groceries for me and my son and my
00:45:46.780
wife you know what i'm saying so we just pulled in to get some gas and um something to eat and
00:45:52.040
met a gentleman who's willing to take us to the border to show us how they have to do it
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where are we what are we seeing here this is inkapah park but right here this is where
00:47:25.880
probably four months ago you probably had like 200 200 or more migrants all here fires everywhere
00:47:34.620
now see us as locals we can't come out here and just camp and have fires but they had fires all
00:47:39.840
over this mountain you can see their trash is still here they've actually done some cleanup but there was
00:47:44.920
a blue tarp tent that covered this whole area right here see and you got border patrol they'll keep
00:47:50.860
coming by and you got homeland security homeland security that'll come out but this camp i mean you
00:47:56.720
can see see the dirt area all the way to the hills this whole area was covered with migrants and they
00:48:03.580
were just taking these blue tarps and popping the blue tarps up like that and starting fires so you
00:48:08.860
could drive by the freeway and there'd be 25 open fires out here during fire season so when either
00:48:14.060
border patrol or homeland security catch these guys crossing illegally what do they do with them
00:48:19.860
we'll see how they're all sitting up there right underneath the the electrical thing they bring
00:48:25.660
them down here they give them all their paperwork or whatever wherever they're gonna go new york
00:48:30.900
chicago you know all over the united states then they just go drop them off in town you're literally
00:48:36.280
allowing an insurrection of our country you know it's like you have all these people coming in and i
00:48:42.380
talked to the guy the first time and he just brushed me off like i was nobody we used to literally shoot
00:48:47.240
skeet out here and do all kinds of recreation out here and they took it all from us i see there's
00:48:51.820
toilets set up here who's on that that's the city san diego border patrol homeland security this is the
00:48:59.400
first time we've been out here in probably eight months where there's nobody been here you had china
00:49:04.040
over here you had africa over here you had the people from india over here you had all the different
00:49:09.100
nationalities separated in just this area from all over the world it's like kennels for dogs
00:49:14.980
if you see groups of like 15 of them it's usually there's one one maybe two coyotes and you'll tell
00:49:26.100
you'll be able to tell them apart from the others because they're gonna have their faces covered
00:49:30.260
they're gonna have gear on you know where the other people just gonna have what they got just a regular
00:49:35.900
old backpack something that you'd see like at walmart you can tell the cartel is different than the
00:49:42.460
just the regular people so we've been camped out here for a few hours now waiting for the sun to
00:49:46.940
come down because we understand from what witnesses locals have told us is that the illegal crossings
00:49:53.040
generally happen a little later in the day in the evening probably when it's a little cooler and
00:49:57.660
easier to to come to walk those long distances and um well our driver linden has found something
00:50:07.100
amongst the fire pits so my observation was it was underneath the rock in a place where the fire
00:50:13.240
wasn't getting to um attempted to be burned it's it's it seems like an interesting document i'm not
00:50:19.020
sure if they get past this as they start their travels or right at the border and if they're told
00:50:25.340
to get rid of any evidence of this but it seems like uh once you're illegally into america here's what
00:50:31.920
you should do this is all just instructions if they send him to an immigration center if you have
00:50:36.800
a criminal or immigration record you're more likely to be sent to an immigration detention center
00:50:41.880
it is possible that they will send you to a center in california another state due to the large number
00:50:48.340
of immigrants crossing the california border the border patrol can take you by plane or bus to texas or
00:50:55.660
arizona for processing from there they could release him into the community or send him to an ice
00:51:00.940
detention center this one's wild it says if you have a physical intellectual you are pregnant you
00:51:06.580
are over 55 years old or you are lgbtq plus you will have the option of going to a shelter i assume
00:51:15.180
paid by the taxpayer i saw like they had these little notes like these pamphlets without like no branding
00:51:20.840
no no border patrol thing on it but it says like if you're lgbtq we can give you a hostel
00:51:27.240
yeah there's just different sides of the of the aisle that are playing into what's going on that's
00:51:32.040
what i was telling you all right so that's that's not government that's political oh that's political
00:51:36.300
organizations helping politicized this is what's going on so what they're giving him out fly is
00:51:40.860
telling him how to basically game the system yeah there's different sides that are more friendlier
00:51:46.720
to what's going on so they those are mostly of those guys are so they're helping him like telling
00:51:50.940
them how to play it yeah oh wow it's crazy wild all right have a good day stay safe over 55 and gay
00:52:00.880
give me the hostel why would they lump a pregnant woman people with intellectual disabilities over 55
00:52:13.960
and lgbtq plus people into one kind of thing what are they having
00:52:20.940
yeah they have absolutely nothing in common in fact if i was lgbtq plus i would be a little
00:52:26.880
insulted that one would think that i would need that extra special help but maybe that's what the
00:52:32.080
intersectionality is all about so it's getting super late now and we have an entire country to cross
00:52:37.740
so far no sign of illegal crossings in this section of the wall tonight so we're going to pack up
00:52:44.840
so we can continue the trip at aviacrossamerica.com let's keep going
00:52:50.780
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