Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Trudeau prorogued Parliament to save the Liberal brand

00:00:00.920 Big show today. I've been sued by Justin Trudeau's crony, Beardju D'Itani. I'll tell you all about it, plus a feature interview with our friend John Carpe of the Justice Center. 1.00

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00:01:32.020 Tonight, I've been sued for $800,000 by Justin Trudeau's Human Rights Commission crony, plus a feature interview with our friend John Carpe of the Justice Center.

00:01:51.120 It's February 6th, and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:53.660 You're fighting for freedom!

00:01:56.880 Shame on you, you censorious bug!

00:02:02.020 Hey, earlier I said I was sued by one of Justin Trudeau's cronies.

00:02:12.220 His name is Birju Datani.

00:02:14.380 Here's a five-minute video I made, and we published earlier today, explaining the situation.

00:02:21.660 A terrible thing just happened.

00:02:23.900 I'm sorry to bother you about it, but I really need your help.

00:02:26.220 I have just been sued by Justin Trudeau's anti-Semitic censorship appointee, Birju Datani.

00:02:34.240 You can read his lawsuit in full for yourself at the website SaveRebelNews.com.

00:02:40.460 He's suing me for $800,000.

00:02:42.640 That's why I'm here today, to announce that I have launched defamation lawsuits against those who spearheaded a targeted attack against me this past summer.

00:02:53.120 Conservative Member of Parliament Melissa Lantzman, right-wing media personality Ezra LeVant, and the Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs, CJ.

00:03:01.780 You might remember Datani.

00:03:03.740 Last year, he was appointed by Trudeau to be the chair of the Canadian Human Rights Commission.

00:03:09.780 That's the kangaroo court that was going to implement the worst parts of Bill C-63.

00:03:15.040 That's Trudeau's atrocious censorship bill.

00:03:18.400 Now, thankfully, C-63 was derailed a few weeks ago when Trudeau prorogued Parliament.

00:03:23.560 But last summer, Datani was all set to be the chief censorship enforcer.

00:03:27.780 But then the truth about Datani started to come out.

00:03:32.240 It turns out Datani had written atrocious anti-Semitic comments and appeared on anti-Semitic panels.

00:03:39.380 He compared Jews to the Nazis.

00:03:42.500 He compared Hamas terrorists to the Jewish victims of the Holocaust. 0.92

00:03:47.600 He called for a boycott of the Jewish state.

00:03:50.980 That is classic anti-Semitism. 0.90

00:03:53.460 He didn't just write about it and talk about it.

00:03:56.140 Datani even took to the streets.

00:03:58.860 He attended a protest outside an Israeli embassy where radicals were mourning the death of a terrorist.

00:04:05.440 Datani sat on panels with extremists, including a member of Hizb ut-Tahrir.

00:04:10.980 That's a violent terrorist group that's banned in dozens of countries.

00:04:15.800 He participated in anti-Semitic hate fests on college campuses.

00:04:20.020 And he wrote that, and I'm quoting here, terror is not an irrational strategy.

00:04:26.380 It is, in fact, a rational and well-calculated strategy, unquote.

00:04:31.120 He wrote that.

00:04:32.820 Now, two lawyers hired by the liberal government investigated him and declared that he didn't do anything anti-Semitic.

00:04:40.000 But their report contains page after page of evidence of his anti-Semitism, including the examples I just listed.

00:04:48.520 And the lawyers said he tried to hide that evidence from the liberal government.

00:04:53.500 Imagine appointing someone like that to run the Canadian Human Rights Commission.

00:04:57.980 This is the guy who's suing me.

00:04:59.740 But here's where it gets really creepy.

00:05:02.540 Every major news outlet in Canada, and many around the world, reported on Datani's shocking anti-Semitic comments.

00:05:10.780 And thousands of people on Twitter did, too.

00:05:12.820 Just Google his name to see for yourself.

00:05:15.740 But he's only suing three people that we know about.

00:05:18.480 Me, Conservative Party Deputy Leader Melissa Lansman, and the Center for Israel and Jewish Affairs, or CJ as it's called.

00:05:26.420 Now, suing three Jews for objecting to anti-Semitism out of hundreds of critics, that's a bit obvious, don't you think?

00:05:35.300 I need your help, please.

00:05:37.400 Datani has enormous resources.

00:05:40.180 And now he's been hired by Canada's most woke university, Toronto Metropolitan University.

00:05:46.840 Datani, who's suing me to silence me, is actually hired by their Center for Free Expression, if you can believe it.

00:05:53.720 TMU is such a joke.

00:05:55.260 Now, remember, Datani was Trudeau's first choice to be Canada's censor.

00:06:00.220 There's no doubt in my mind he would have weaponized the Canadian Human Rights Commission against Rebel News, and against the Conservative Party, and against pro-Israel activists.

00:06:09.680 That's exactly what he's doing now with his lawsuit.

00:06:13.540 I'm not too worried about Melissa Lansman.

00:06:15.500 She's tough.

00:06:16.480 And it's standard practice for Parliament to pay an MP's legal defense.

00:06:21.180 And CJA has a major budget, and they actually receive large grants from the government, too.

00:06:27.640 But not us at Rebel News.

00:06:29.520 It's weird how I'm the only journalist he's suing, given that every news outlet in the country reported the same things.

00:06:35.980 He's hired a top lawyer, he's got vast resources, and he's coming to destroy us.

00:06:43.580 If you want us to live, now is the time to help us, please.

00:06:46.960 Go to SaverebelNews.com.

00:06:50.720 Ship in what you can.

00:06:51.580 I really need your help to cover our legal bills.

00:06:54.620 Even before we get to trial, this lawsuit could cost us well over $75,000 in legal fees.

00:07:00.860 We can't let that stop us.

00:07:02.760 If you help us cover the cost of our lawyers, I promise I'll fight like hell against this censor.

00:07:08.620 Thanks.

00:07:09.440 Please visit SaverebelNews.com.

00:07:12.740 You know, Detani was going to be the chief enforcer of Trudeau's C-63, silencing dissident voices. 0.86

00:07:19.360 This lawsuit could have the same effect.

00:07:22.220 Is it any surprise that someone who said terrorism is, quote, a rational and well-calculated strategy, unquote, would sue to silence his critics?

00:07:31.580 Last point.

00:07:33.120 You know, Rebel News loves to fight for freedom for other people, and we often crowdfund lawyers for other people.

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00:07:53.140 I want to show you one more thing from our new reporter in the U.K.

00:07:56.740 Her name is Sammy Woodhouse, and I think she's doing a great job.

00:08:00.220 Take a look.

00:08:04.080 Hi, I'm Sammy Woodhouse reporting with Rebel News.

00:08:06.880 Well, today, I hit the streets in Rotherham and Barnsley to find out exactly what members of the community thought about their prime minister, Keir Starmer, President Donald Trump, immigration.

00:08:18.040 And do they trust the mainstream media?

00:08:21.400 Here is what they had to say.

00:08:22.900 So, Donald Trump has been departing illegal immigrants.

00:08:27.740 What's your thoughts on that? 1.00

00:08:29.060 Oh, they're crazy, man. 1.00

00:08:31.600 They're crazy. 1.00

00:08:32.820 Because they do, look, what's happened to Ukraine? 0.96

00:08:35.900 Biden, when prime minister, what's happened to Ukraine?

00:08:38.860 All people run away, blow everywhere out.

00:08:40.920 The people he's departing, they're criminals, they've come and committed crime.

00:08:44.760 All of us, no criminal.

00:08:46.500 No people criminal come to this country.

00:08:48.560 No.

00:08:49.000 Nobody.

00:08:49.360 So, you feel that none of them commit crime?

00:08:51.360 No.

00:08:51.820 Yeah, it's good.

00:08:52.740 Good on him.

00:08:53.280 Do you think we should do the same here in the UK?

00:08:55.100 Yeah, yeah, get them all out.

00:08:58.240 Yeah.

00:08:59.160 He's put them on a plane, hasn't he, and sent them back to Cuba. 0.99

00:09:01.480 Why can't Keir do that?

00:09:03.380 So, you think the UK should do that?

00:09:04.880 People and a lot of kiddies getting a lot of sexual abuse from these.

00:09:09.100 Yeah. 0.70

00:09:09.720 If they're causing trouble here, yeah, absolutely, don't be here.

00:09:12.220 But other than that, everyone has a right to live.

00:09:15.060 No, it's not the important.

00:09:16.760 Because they come here for a good life, for working.

00:09:18.580 What are they doing here?

00:09:20.300 If you do anything, police catch you, take you back.

00:09:22.940 They don't do any problem.

00:09:24.300 So, what about the people that come here?

00:09:26.180 They're not working.

00:09:27.160 They're claiming the deal and they're committing crimes.

00:09:28.900 Do you think they should be deported?

00:09:30.600 They know, maybe one hundred percent, five people doing it.

00:09:34.560 Well, they all keep saying they're going to send them all back and things like that.

00:09:38.200 But it's getting out of hand.

00:09:40.440 Now, look at all the country, what's going off, you know what I mean?

00:09:42.320 It's just getting worse and worse.

00:09:44.460 But then they keep saying all this and that like.

00:09:46.280 They're going to send them all back.

00:09:47.520 But they never do.

00:09:49.000 And it's just going to be all the same repeat all the time, isn't it?

00:09:51.340 You know what I mean?

00:09:52.480 Then what's coming illegally, I mean, they should be turned back.

00:09:58.440 But then what, when they come here, you know, emigrate here sort of thing. 0.98

00:10:04.340 Yeah.

00:10:04.700 They ought to send them all back to tell you the truth, because since all these have been

00:10:08.520 in Rotherham and that like, it's not me, but not what trouble.

00:10:11.880 To be honest, you have to think about why the people are coming here.

00:10:18.100 Say, why am I here?

00:10:19.820 If my country was not destroyed, I wouldn't be here.

00:10:25.860 No, I don't think we should deport anybody, because everybody's got to have a right to

00:10:30.180 food and clothes and shelter.

00:10:32.300 I mean, we're all brothers and sisters, really, aren't we?

00:10:35.820 You know what I mean?

00:10:36.360 So what gives us right is saying, no, you can't come in.

00:10:39.120 Because in another two or three years, it could be trouble with the population.

00:10:43.540 And we haven't got the houses.

00:10:46.520 We haven't got the money to spend, have they?

00:10:51.300 Have they?

00:10:51.720 No.

00:10:51.880 So you feel that none of them commit crime?

00:10:54.220 No.

00:10:55.240 Well, it's been proven in a court of law that some do.

00:10:57.900 Look, here, car wash, people, immigrants working.

00:11:01.420 He come here, open a barbara shop, open a takeaway.

00:11:05.960 What's the criminal?

00:11:07.920 Not sure with Donald Trump.

00:11:09.560 He's a businessman.

00:11:10.460 America's a business.

00:11:11.760 So he's probably the right man for a job.

00:11:14.840 Same again.

00:11:16.100 He's going to look good in people's faces, just so he gets the votes.

00:11:20.660 He wants to run again, doesn't he?

00:11:22.300 So what is your thoughts on Keir Starmer, the Prime Minister?

00:11:26.980 Oh, right.

00:11:29.180 Me?

00:11:30.080 I can't abide him.

00:11:31.740 I just can't.

00:11:33.020 He's made a right mess on it.

00:11:34.700 What do you think he's doing wrong?

00:11:36.020 Everything.

00:11:37.340 No, I don't have any idea.

00:11:38.660 I'm from another dentist.

00:11:40.120 Thank you.

00:11:44.960 What do you think to Keir Starmer, Prime Minister?

00:11:47.880 Adam Norwell.

00:11:49.260 Sorry.

00:11:49.700 I'd rather not tell you, to be honest.

00:11:52.620 Thank you.

00:11:55.360 I don't vote in politics.

00:11:57.480 It's a waste of time.

00:11:58.300 They're all safe.

00:11:59.300 Vote to Labour all my life, but never vote Labour again.

00:12:01.740 Oh, that's it.

00:12:02.100 What he's done.

00:12:03.300 And is that because of Keir Starmer?

00:12:04.980 Even to Rotherham MPs, what they've done.

00:12:07.680 Stabbed us in by all these pensioners. 1.00

00:12:11.160 Oh, no.

00:12:11.980 No into politics, full stop. 1.00

00:12:13.500 They're just liars. 1.00

00:12:16.020 Paid liars. 1.00

00:12:17.060 Simple. 0.54

00:12:17.340 How, um, the mainstream media, do you trust them enough to tell you about important matters

00:12:22.700 such as immigration and the grooming and rapes of children?

00:12:26.600 Yeah.

00:12:27.100 Like the big newspapers, yeah.

00:12:28.520 Yeah.

00:12:28.660 I wouldn't really trust the media as far as I can throw them.

00:12:30.980 I mean, I think everything's kind of bent to the truth anyway.

00:12:35.040 Everything's subjective, but there's always normally another angle when it comes to the

00:12:40.680 media.

00:12:41.340 So I tend to not watch it.

00:12:42.760 The mainstream media, do you trust them enough to...

00:12:45.220 Oh, so you don't?

00:12:45.920 Not at all.

00:12:46.720 No, definitely not.

00:12:59.040 Our politics in Canada are insane right now.

00:13:01.740 One of the reasons is because Parliament itself has been dissolved and in the middle of a crisis.

00:13:07.700 We've got a lot of crises going on, actually.

00:13:10.180 One of them is an economic crisis.

00:13:11.900 Donald Trump threatening tariffs against Canada.

00:13:14.500 But instead of resuming the business of Parliament, the Liberals are having a leadership race at

00:13:20.720 this moment.

00:13:22.200 And Trudeau, I think it's pretty clear, dissolved Parliament so he could evade the possibility

00:13:26.660 of a non-confidence vote.

00:13:28.980 Is there any way to stop this?

00:13:31.440 Maybe there is.

00:13:32.520 As you remember, a couple weeks ago, we talked to John Carpe, the boss of the Justice Center

00:13:36.840 for Constitutional Freedoms.

00:13:38.400 That's a public interest law firm.

00:13:40.200 And they are taking the government to court, challenging the authority of the Prime Minister

00:13:45.880 to dissolve Parliament.

00:13:47.620 I thought it was a crazy long shot trial.

00:13:50.620 But then John told me, John Carpe, the boss of said organization, that there's a precedent

00:13:55.700 in the United Kingdom.

00:13:57.300 And they actually won over there.

00:13:59.420 Joining us now to talk about this and more is John Carpe.

00:14:01.920 John, nice to see you in person.

00:14:03.080 Good to see you.

00:14:03.620 When you first announced that you were going to sue the government to stop them from dissolving

00:14:09.300 Parliament, I thought, there's no way.

00:14:11.560 Parliament is supreme in so many ways.

00:14:14.140 And the Governor General was the instrument by which this happened.

00:14:17.320 I thought, there's no way.

00:14:19.980 But then you told me that this actually happened in the UK not too long ago.

00:14:25.400 And the dissolution of Parliament was ruled unconstitutional.

00:14:29.320 Tell me, first of all, how did you know that?

00:14:32.060 And second of all, what does it mean for Canada?

00:14:34.460 Well, kudos go to our lawyer, James Manson, who's based in Toronto.

00:14:39.060 And he looked at the situation.

00:14:40.900 He was aware of the United Kingdom Supreme Court ruling from 2019, where Boris Johnson

00:14:47.080 had a minority government, didn't like the way that the Brexit, the United Kingdom's exit

00:14:55.100 from the European Union, was taking too long, prorogued Parliament for five weeks, which

00:15:00.540 that was longer than the normal one to three weeks.

00:15:04.980 And it only took a month from the time that a citizen filed until they got a ruling from

00:15:09.040 the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom.

00:15:10.700 And in a nutshell, they said, look, you can't use prorogation as a tool to promote the government's agenda.

00:15:20.700 The government must be accountable to Parliament.

00:15:24.560 So there's nothing wrong with prorogation when the Parliament session comes to a natural end.

00:15:29.860 But it was an abuse for partisan purposes.

00:15:33.340 And that's what we have here now.

00:15:34.600 But here it's 11 weeks.

00:15:36.940 11 weeks.

00:15:38.400 If this was a one, two, three week prorogation, you know, fine.

00:15:42.940 But this is 11 weeks where Parliament's committees are shut down.

00:15:47.660 They cannot call a cabinet minister, compel a cabinet minister to come and answer to a committee.

00:15:53.920 And there's just no accountability.

00:15:57.540 You know, a moment ago I said, you can't challenge parliamentary supremacy.

00:16:01.000 But actually, I got it upside down.

00:16:03.380 Parliament is supreme.

00:16:05.600 Over the government.

00:16:06.400 But they're not allowed to come in and dismiss the government.

00:16:08.840 It's almost, I don't want to use the word coup because that's thrown around too much.

00:16:13.200 But when an unpopular prime minister is afraid of being thrown out and he dismisses Parliament,

00:16:18.900 he's the one violating parliamentary supremacy.

00:16:22.440 That's amazing.

00:16:23.300 So, I understand that the federal court, is that where this is being heard,

00:16:28.140 has granted you the right to a very speedy trial.

00:16:32.320 Normally, these things take months or even years.

00:16:35.220 So, you are getting into court when?

00:16:38.240 We are doing oral argument on Thursday, February 13th, Friday, February 14th.

00:16:43.220 Wow.

00:16:43.800 And we could have a ruling as soon as Monday the 17th, Tuesday the 18th

00:16:48.300 because the court already has the written brief.

00:16:52.220 Right.

00:16:52.520 And the court really gave the federal government a bit of a reprimand.

00:16:57.180 The federal government came into court and said, we'll get back to you next week

00:17:00.900 and we'll let you know our position as to whether or not we think that this is urgent.

00:17:06.460 And the judge wasn't buying it.

00:17:08.200 Which judge?

00:17:08.760 Remember which judge it was?

00:17:09.620 Crampton, the chief justice.

00:17:11.000 Oh, so the fact that they're bringing in the chief justice is very interesting and it makes sense because this is a very political ruling.

00:17:18.000 And you want the biggest boss of the federal court to make that ruling.

00:17:22.600 Perhaps a younger judge might be nervous to do something as dramatic as make a constitutional ruling like this.

00:17:29.980 So on the other hand, the chief justice is probably a political animal himself to get to the top of that greasy pole.

00:17:36.080 But if someone's going to rebuke the government, it better be the chief justice as opposed to a more minor or junior justice.

00:17:43.760 I don't know.

00:17:44.000 Maybe I'm applying too much political lens to this, but it's an inherently political battle.

00:17:48.900 Yeah, I think it's a constitutional issue and there's no Canadian case law on it yet.

00:17:57.200 If somebody had thought about it back in the day, theoretically, somebody could have challenged Stephen Harper's prorogation of parliament and, you know, a different fact scenario.

00:18:07.720 But that would have been interesting.

00:18:08.960 But nobody did.

00:18:09.620 Nobody thought about it.

00:18:10.560 And in this situation here, it's not a COVID masks, vaccine travel restriction, none of that.

00:18:21.620 Because as I've outlined in my book, we've had a serious problem with judges in Canada that are writing the media narrative into their court rulings, not supported by evidence.

00:18:32.160 But that was because there's so much fear.

00:18:35.420 This is like a totally different.

00:18:38.220 We don't have 24-hour-a-day media fear-mongering about, you know, what would happen if parliament comes back into session before March 24th.

00:18:48.680 So it's just a fresh start.

00:18:51.740 Wow.

00:18:52.380 You know, it's so much audacity to – I forget exactly how many months Trudeau dissolved parliament for, but it was enormous.

00:18:59.900 All the way up to March 24th.

00:19:01.440 11 weeks.

00:19:02.060 And they've got to come back by March 31st.

00:19:04.980 Otherwise, they need parliamentary authorization for the continued spending of money after March 31st.

00:19:10.520 11 weeks.

00:19:11.620 That's crazy.

00:19:13.560 I mean, that really is an authoritarian regime.

00:19:16.360 It's an abuse.

00:19:18.000 You know, prorogation for valid reasons, like the parliamentary session, has come to a natural conclusion.

00:19:23.980 Okay, fine.

00:19:24.660 This is for the partisan interests of one political party.

00:19:28.340 You can't do that.

00:19:30.360 You know, it was a trick that he did it.

00:19:32.760 I mean, Trudeau was going to be fired.

00:19:34.920 Instead, he dissolved the people who were going to fire him.

00:19:37.880 He said, I'm going to resign in the future, but he didn't resign.

00:19:41.060 He's still going on junkets.

00:19:42.240 I just saw a headline that he's off to Paris for another luxury junket.

00:19:46.380 He's trying to wring out everything he can.

00:19:48.080 But it would be quite something if you managed to overturn this.

00:19:51.220 Because when did you say your hearing was again?

00:19:53.200 February 13th and 14th.

00:19:54.280 That's right, and you think the result could be known as soon as the 16th or something like that.

00:20:01.100 The liberal leadership race concludes on March 9th, which is one of the reasons it's scheduled that way.

00:20:06.440 They wanted to install, to select the new prime minister through the liberal party apparatus, as opposed to through parliament.

00:20:15.040 That's extra insane.

00:20:16.720 There would be quite something if parliament was brought back before the liberals finished their shenanigans.

00:20:24.440 And that's their mess.

00:20:25.920 Why should Canadians have to wait around for their mess to be sorted out? 1.00

00:20:29.500 Well, that's one of the points that, you know, a political party, neither the liberal party nor any other party, is a constitutional player.

00:20:39.160 These parties, they exist, they exist, they're real, but constitutionally, it's irrelevant.

00:20:45.260 It's like, well, this is bad for your party?

00:20:46.840 Well, too bad.

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00:21:42.060 Are there any interveners who've asked to join as a friend of the court, as they say, to give a briefing or a point of view?

00:21:49.120 Or is it just you guys alone?

00:21:50.260 I think that perhaps, I'm not, I have to get back to you on it.

00:21:55.420 Perhaps the Canadian Civil Liberties Association may have, no, the Democracy Watch.

00:22:00.360 Oh, okay.

00:22:00.780 Democracy Watch, to my knowledge, is intervening.

00:22:03.320 Oh, good.

00:22:03.780 And I think that's the only other group.

00:22:04.540 Probably on your side, I would imagine.

00:22:05.760 On our side.

00:22:06.520 You know, they're not bad.

00:22:07.220 They're a little lefty, but actually, I think they do good work quite often.

00:22:10.960 I think so, too.

00:22:11.800 Wow.

00:22:12.280 Well, I'm really excited about that.

00:22:13.840 And that is coming up so soon.

00:22:15.920 Ha! 0.89

00:22:16.600 That's great.

00:22:17.200 Well, tell me some of the other stuff you do, and your book is out.

00:22:19.380 Corrupted by Fear, How the Charter Was Betrayed and What Canadians Can Do About It.

00:22:25.160 I wrote, the book arose in part because when I was going to public meetings in Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal, Regina, Saskatoon, whatever,

00:22:37.000 at public meetings, people often, every public meeting I went to, there's at least one person that said,

00:22:41.840 what is going on with these judges?

00:22:44.120 Are they getting thick wads of $100 bills?

00:22:47.100 Are they getting threatening phone calls from the Prime Minister telling them that they have to rule for lockdowns or get into trouble?

00:22:53.500 Are they getting threatening emails from the World Economic Forum?

00:22:57.260 And my answer was, no, no, no.

00:22:59.220 I don't believe that.

00:23:00.080 But the question is valid.

00:23:02.380 Why are judges?

00:23:04.680 So when, you know, the Justice Centre, we sued governments across Canada over lockdowns of vaccine passports and lost pretty much every case.

00:23:13.500 Some of them we had minor or partial victories.

00:23:15.380 But on the whole, the governments would admit in court, yes, lockdowns violate the freedoms of conscience, religion, expression, association, peaceful assembly, mobility, travel, bodily autonomy.

00:23:29.680 Yes, all these rights and freedoms are violated by lockdowns and travel restrictions.

00:23:35.060 The government submitted that in court.

00:23:37.160 Yeah.

00:23:37.580 But then they said, ah, but it's justified under Section 1.

00:23:41.020 And so what's going on?

00:23:42.180 So we have, for example, in the Gateway case in Manitoba, the judge wrote into his judgment, COVID is unprecedented and it's the worst global pandemic in a century.

00:23:56.020 Both of which are false.

00:23:57.300 COVID is not unprecedented.

00:23:58.820 We had the Spanish flu of 1918, which was much, much worse.

00:24:02.440 Even in the 20th century, the Asian flu of 1957 was more deadly.

00:24:07.960 The Hong Kong flu of 1968 was more deadly than COVID.

00:24:11.320 So he writes these false assertions into his judgment for which there's no evidence put before the court.

00:24:18.820 So corrupted by fear, my thesis is, judges are not getting thick wads of $100 bills.

00:24:24.700 They're not getting threatening phone calls from the prime minister.

00:24:26.920 They're not getting nasty emails from the WEF.

00:24:29.860 But they got, they bought into this media fear-mongering, you know, every hour of every day.

00:24:36.920 It's all, oh, COVID, it's unprecedented.

00:24:39.840 And people who are full of fear, they don't think clearly.

00:24:44.180 And that's my thesis.

00:24:45.960 You know, it's interesting you say that.

00:24:47.020 One of the cases that the Democracy Fund helped fund was that of Arthur Pawlowski, the Christian pastor from Calgary.

00:24:55.080 And he would give sermons and do Facebook posts and do TV interviews where he would be a skeptic or a dissident on the conventional government narrative about COVID.

00:25:05.740 And so a judge named Adam Germain, who has since retired.

00:25:09.480 This is a chapter in my book.

00:25:10.600 Oh, is it really?

00:25:11.340 I'm excited to read that.

00:25:12.300 Keep on talking about it.

00:25:12.820 Adam Germain made an astonishing ruling saying that whenever Arthur Pawlowski, the pastor, would say anything that contradicted the official government narrative, he had to immediately then take out this little card that Judge Germain had written.

00:25:29.120 What I've said is contrary to, like, he's got to self-

00:25:31.720 What's the majority of scientists?

00:25:33.300 Self-denounce.

00:25:34.160 Self-denounce any forum.

00:25:36.940 Self-denounce after a sermon.

00:25:38.620 Self-denounce after a media interview.

00:25:40.480 Basically compelled speech. 1.00

00:25:42.780 And it was so stupid. 1.00

00:25:44.820 The judge thought, oh, I'll just write what this guy has to say with no basis. 1.00

00:25:48.380 But I thought about why would Adam Germain do that?

00:25:50.400 I mean, he's a liberal and he's a political judge.

00:25:52.500 But I think it's because, and I read his ruling.

00:25:56.180 He talked about, well, everyone knows someone who's died from COVID.

00:25:59.400 And I thought, I don't.

00:26:01.100 And maybe if you're in your 70s, maybe you, you know, that is the age, as we know, most people who died from COVID were very old, were sick with other things.

00:26:11.660 Yes.

00:26:11.800 So maybe in this judge's little world, maybe he, maybe all the people in their 70s and 80s that were his peer group, maybe they all did know someone who died.

00:26:21.960 And maybe because you're a 70-something-year-old judge, you're not going out to where young people go.

00:26:28.240 You're not going to the gyms or the bars or the restaurants or on the streets.

00:26:32.160 You sort of are cocooning at home.

00:26:34.960 So you just live with your fear and the TV set pumping you with propaganda, whereas young people are saying, hey, can I leave my house, please?

00:26:43.020 No, don't go out there.

00:26:45.040 So the most nervous guys in the world, judges, the most obedient to authority, judges, that's their whole currency is obey. 0.87

00:26:54.800 I think that in the minds of all these 70-something judges was exactly what you say, fear and outrage that anyone would defy authority, even if the authority was truly stupid, like mask rules or you can sit down in a restaurant but not stand up. 0.83

00:27:14.400 Or maybe it was the opposite. 0.96

00:27:15.440 I can't remember.

00:27:16.220 I thought about it a lot.

00:27:17.540 I think Adam Jermaine was living in a little weird cone or node of society, and a lot of the decision-makers were.

00:27:28.220 And the judges kept on getting their paycheck once every two weeks.

00:27:32.180 Yeah, the lockdown didn't hurt them.

00:27:34.640 It destroyed livelihoods.

00:27:38.200 It drove people into poverty.

00:27:39.700 It destroyed life savings.

00:27:41.280 A lot of small businessmen, their business is their retirement.

00:27:45.160 They don't have the generous public sector pensions.

00:27:48.780 So they're hoping that when they're retiring at 60 or 70, whatever age, they will sell the business and get a half million or a million, and that's their retirement.

00:27:58.360 And then along come these chief medical officers who have zero understanding of business and economics, you know, and the likes of Jason Kenney, who's never had a private sector job.

00:28:09.180 And they just destroy businesses, and it creates poverty, despair, all these lockdown harms.

00:28:17.660 And I think the judges, they were the privileged public sector class.

00:28:21.860 You just get your paycheck.

00:28:23.020 A lot of them work from home.

00:28:23.880 I remember there was a case of an Ontario judge who did his hearings by Zoom from the Caribbean.

00:28:29.700 He went to the Caribbean and was having hearings, and he had this fake backdrop behind him.

00:28:34.300 I mean, they loved, for them it was a staycation.

00:28:40.340 I think there's a huge swath of society for whom the lockdowns were the best time of their life.

00:28:45.780 They never had to work less.

00:28:47.360 They could, like that judge, move to the Caribbean or work from the cottage.

00:28:52.160 I mean, it's amazing to me to see Donald Trump order every American civil service back to the office or you're fired.

00:28:58.480 We don't have the courage to do that in Canada.

00:29:00.660 I don't think most Canadians know that a huge swath of government workers haven't gone back to the office since 2020.

00:29:09.660 To this day.

00:29:11.580 Not surprising.

00:29:12.640 There's two worlds out there.

00:29:14.020 Hey, let me ask you this.

00:29:14.840 I mean, the lockdown and the pandemic and all the abuse of regulations and prosecutions, those are really winding down.

00:29:23.240 Tamara Leach's ruling will come out in March in Ottawa.

00:29:27.000 The Coutts protesters, they've, you know, those cases have pretty much run their course.

00:29:34.700 I don't know if there's going to be any appeals, but, you know, it's been three years, really, since the trucker convoy.

00:29:41.640 And it's been five years since the pandemic.

00:29:45.020 So a lot of that litigation is done.

00:29:47.180 There's still some.

00:29:48.200 But I'd say it's maybe 1% of what it was.

00:29:50.840 So what's the new front line for Corrupted by Fear?

00:29:55.520 What's the new thing that the courts are going to use as the justification to abridge our liberties?

00:30:01.640 I've got an idea, but I'd like to hear yours.

00:30:04.320 So generally, I try to avoid making predictions.

00:30:07.220 Yeah.

00:30:07.700 I'll depart from my usual practice.

00:30:09.660 So I predict the next aggressive assault or assaults, plural, on our rights and freedoms is not going to be because of a new virus.

00:30:18.620 It might be.

00:30:19.440 I might be wrong.

00:30:20.420 It's going to be climate lockdowns.

00:30:22.000 It's going to be you have to give up your rights and freedoms to prevent the world from burning into a crisp.

00:30:27.500 And so this is just, and the book is a warning to Canadians, if you were pro-lockdown, if you thought lockdowns were good and vaccine passports were necessary and effective, let's say that's your viewpoint, you should still be very concerned about these court rulings where the government, the courts have lowered the bar for government.

00:30:50.560 Justice Rene Pomerantz said, instead of the Section 1, the government has to demonstrably justify with cogent and persuasive evidence that its lockdowns are doing more good than harm.

00:31:04.840 Instead of that test, which is, you know, up here, she said, the question is, was it open to Ontario to do what it did?

00:31:13.280 Yeah.

00:31:13.760 A total lowering of the bar.

00:31:14.920 So my challenge to people who are pro-lockdown is, do you want courts that are going to rubber stamp any time the government comes along and says, it's an emergency, our solution is the only way to deal with it, and we're violating rights and freedoms, but you better agree with us, otherwise people are going to die.

00:31:33.980 Anyway, I predict climate lockdowns.

00:31:35.960 What do you think?

00:31:37.000 Well, it's interesting because in the United Kingdom, they're really moving forward on this 15-minute cities thing.

00:31:42.660 That's part of the...

00:31:43.700 They call it ULEZ, Ultra Low Emission Zones, and they have countless spy cameras that are tracking who's moving when, and they'll issue you a fine if you travel when you're not supposed to.

00:31:56.660 By the way, there's sort of an anarchist response to that.

00:31:59.980 People who call themselves blade runners run around with a metal saw and knock these down by the hundred.

00:32:06.240 It's like a game of cat and mouse.

00:32:07.920 But the climate lockdown is sort of proceeding, even in the UK.

00:32:11.820 I want to tell you something.

00:32:13.340 We haven't released it yet, but I went back to see how the recovery in Maui after the wildfires was going.

00:32:21.840 We were there when the wildfires swept through a town of Lahaina, killed more than a hundred.

00:32:26.180 It was shocking.

00:32:28.080 Devastated the town.

00:32:29.920 So the LA...

00:32:30.820 We haven't released this yet, and we're going to do so very soon.

00:32:33.460 And the LA fires destroyed an enormous part of some beautiful neighborhoods in LA.

00:32:41.160 And I thought, well, gee, how is the recovery going in Maui?

00:32:45.760 That's probably going to be a premonition of how it goes to LA.

00:32:48.700 So we went to Maui just for a day.

00:32:50.140 Almost nothing has been rebuilt, except the government, and I'm sort of scooping myself here, but consider this like a teaser for what we're going to roll out.

00:33:01.800 They've set up a kind of FEMA camp that reminded me more than anything of the Australian COVID detention camp.

00:33:09.960 I don't know if you ever saw video footage.

00:33:11.820 It was this huge prison-like camp with hundreds of tiny homes where COVID people were going to be stacked. 0.93

00:33:21.720 And they never really took off, but they were built, and some people used them.

00:33:25.640 That's what I saw in Maui.

00:33:27.320 They haven't rebuilt the town, but they put all those people in sort of COVID-style.

00:33:32.900 It's like a low-security, minimum-security prison.

00:33:36.720 And I was just stunned that this was happening, and no one was...

00:33:40.820 Why do I tell this story?

00:33:42.240 First of all, it reminded me of nothing so much as that COVID internment camp.

00:33:47.140 But people have been commissioned to accept it.

00:33:50.500 Look, you're living in a camp.

00:33:53.140 You're not allowed to return to your land.

00:33:55.200 It's done in the name of safety.

00:33:57.080 Oh, it's all for a good cause.

00:33:58.060 You're saving lives.

00:33:59.020 But they've agreed to it.

00:34:02.040 Now, Hawaii is a little different than most American places, but I thought this was land of the free.

00:34:06.540 There are hundreds of people stored in this kind of...

00:34:10.700 Oh, you're saying the Hawaiian people are living in this camp, or the government set up this camp?

00:34:14.560 Yeah, the government has not rebuilt their homes.

00:34:16.340 They put them in this camp.

00:34:18.520 I'm shocked by it.

00:34:19.860 Let's hope it's temporary.

00:34:21.380 But this British thing, this is...

00:34:22.640 When I said climate lockdowns, I'm talking more broadly about using this idea, which I don't think has actual scientific support,

00:34:32.180 this idea that we control the weather, you and I control the weather based on heating our homes in winter,

00:34:39.380 how frequently we drive the car.

00:34:40.720 And if we drive our cars less, then we control the climate.

00:34:44.920 But based on that pretext, if we accept that, and if we accept that global warming is a bad thing,

00:34:51.560 which in my view it's not, but if you accept the whole narrative, right,

00:34:56.420 mankind controls the weather, warming is bad, and so on, it leads to that next step where the government can take away all your rights and freedoms.

00:35:04.880 Like, you know, you don't need a car.

00:35:07.000 You're just going to use public transit.

00:35:08.540 You don't need to fly to places.

00:35:09.980 You've got Zoom and telephones, and you have the violation of rights and freedoms in the name of saving the earth from the climate holocaust. 0.92

00:35:19.540 Well, the World Economic Forum had that famous essay and video, you'll own nothing and you'll be happy.

00:35:26.560 And it was this dystopian future where everything was like an Uber, just a temporary rental.

00:35:32.240 So the means of production, the assets, you were just passing through life.

00:35:36.660 You never accumulated anything.

00:35:38.500 If you needed a place to stay for a bit, you would rent.

00:35:41.080 If you needed a place to work for a while, you would rent.

00:35:43.480 It was taking the gig lifestyle to its insane conclusion.

00:35:47.920 And the irony is the masters of the universe would never live that way themselves.

00:35:52.360 They're all about asset accumulation and wealth.

00:35:54.860 This is for the poors. 1.00

00:35:56.700 I was at the World Economic Forum also.

00:35:58.300 There was a guy giving away bug protein, like insect protein candy bars, and people were taking them.

00:36:05.100 And I can assure you the oligarchs who run that place are not eating bugs.

00:36:09.460 But like you say, for climate reasons, the little people have to. 0.75

00:36:12.400 And my Maui example was a little bit off point, but I'm saying a lot of people are conditioned now to accept things that they would not have done.

00:36:22.860 The pandemic broke our spirit in a lot of ways.

00:36:25.260 Just like now when we go on a plane, we're used to taking off our shoes and being poked and prodded and being groped by the, you know, TSA.

00:36:35.000 That would have been shocking before that, but 9-11 broke that psychological barrier.

00:36:41.780 COVID broke another psychological barrier.

00:36:43.960 Now we accept the government saying, you can't go there.

00:36:46.540 You can't get on a plane.

00:36:47.920 You have to wear a mask.

00:36:49.140 We have the right to look in your home.

00:36:50.360 Are you six feet of separated?

00:36:51.820 Like, I think that these real crises, 9-11 was a crisis.

00:36:55.300 COVID was sort of a trumped up crisis.

00:36:57.060 Because they were used to demolish age-old sensibilities of our freedom.

00:37:03.580 And I think the government learned they can get away with a lot and want to do a lot more.

00:37:08.780 The good news is we've got a stronger freedom movement in Canada now than what we did in 2019.

00:37:14.220 Yeah, it's true.

00:37:14.840 I know I have met so many people who said that pre-lockdowns, they barely voted, if that.

00:37:21.260 And beyond that, they tuned out all the news, political developments, not involved at all.

00:37:26.120 And now you've got this freedom movement of people who, pre-2020, again, totally not engaged,

00:37:32.660 are now active federally, provincially, municipally, school board levels.

00:37:36.300 So we've got an awake freedom movement.

00:37:38.980 I talk about that in the book as well.

00:37:41.500 There is a freedom movement in Canada.

00:37:45.000 And as it grows, there is pushback.

00:37:49.180 There will be more of it.

00:37:50.200 And I think, you know, we need to change the culture and have a culture where people cherish and respect their rights and freedoms.

00:38:04.760 And that's something that's within our power to do that.

00:38:06.880 We can effect cultural change.

00:38:08.480 You know, one of the things that I look back at Donald Trump's first presidency, I think his most important legacy from that term was his judicial appointments to the Supreme Court, of course, but also every court below.

00:38:22.520 And Trump doesn't know that domain.

00:38:25.860 He had the Federalist Society, which is a freedom-oriented sort of legal fraternity, I would call it.

00:38:31.460 They helped develop lists and vet them, and so did they really work closely with Trump to find the people?

00:38:37.700 Trump doesn't have that network.

00:38:38.800 He's not a lawyer himself.

00:38:40.400 I think Stephen Harper's greatest missed opportunity in his term was he didn't take the court seriously.

00:38:47.100 He allowed the justice ministers to appoint their buddies, really.

00:38:50.620 I think if Pierre Paglia becomes prime minister later this year, and there's a real chance he will,

00:38:54.300 I think one of those culture-changing, long-term strategic moves has to be to find and help incubate legal and judicial and law professor and law student talent so that if Paglia was prime minister for four or eight years, he can do hundreds of appointments that will slowly turn the ship around.

00:39:19.260 I think that's the number one error Harper made.

00:39:22.420 Well, I agree with you.

00:39:23.260 Harper appointed, for example, in Saskatchewan, there's a judge, Michael McGaw, ordered a 12-year-old girl to be injected with the mRNA vaccine, contrary to the girl's wishes, contrary to the mother's wishes, but worse.

00:39:35.900 He takes it to the next level.

00:39:37.480 He says he takes judicial notice of the fact that the vaccine is safe and effective for adults and children.

00:39:46.400 And his reason for taking judicial notice is that because Health Canada and the Saskatchewan Health Authority have said that the vaccine is safe and effective.

00:39:58.820 And no reasonable person would dispute what a government body has said about the vaccine.

00:40:04.920 This is a Harper appointment.

00:40:06.320 So, I mean, people get upset about, you know, Trudeau appointments.

00:40:08.800 And it's, okay, well, fine, you know, get upset about that.

00:40:11.580 Harper appointed some very good judges.

00:40:13.760 You know, Russ Brown to the Supreme Court of Canada.

00:40:16.580 He's no longer on that court.

00:40:17.940 And he appointed a few good judges.

00:40:20.500 But a lot of the Harper appointments are, they're as bad as the Trudeau appointments.

00:40:25.080 They're left-wing ideologues.

00:40:26.740 They don't respect and cherish and appreciate freedom.

00:40:31.300 Yeah.

00:40:32.360 Well, it's very interesting days.

00:40:34.160 I'm inspired by what's going on in America.

00:40:36.280 And I hope we have a small echo of that up here.

00:40:38.640 We sure need it.

00:40:39.260 John, it's great to see you again.

00:40:40.720 What's the best way to follow your work?

00:40:42.700 JCCF.ca.

00:40:43.660 JCCF.ca.

00:40:45.760 And the book, Corrupted by Fear, bestseller on Amazon.

00:40:49.680 So, Amazon.ca.

00:40:50.620 That's great.

00:40:51.400 Well, listen, you're a role model.

00:40:53.220 You're an inspiration.

00:40:54.420 You fight for freedom every day at some personal cost, too.

00:40:57.280 A lot of bad guys try and come for you because you're making a difference.

00:41:00.420 Keep it up.

00:41:01.100 And we've got you back here at Rebel News.

00:41:03.020 Thank you.

00:41:03.620 Right on.

00:41:04.080 Cheers.

00:41:04.600 Cheers.

00:41:04.740 There you have it.

00:41:05.460 John Carpe, one of the good guys.

00:41:07.280 It's nice to spend some time with him in person at our world headquarters.

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Rebel News Podcast - February 07, 2025

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Trudeau prorogued Parliament to save the Liberal brand

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