EZRA LEVANT ｜ Trudeau's Islamist agenda deliberately changed Canada
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Is Dubai a safer city for Jews to live in than Montreal? Ezra Levant answers that question and much more on this week's Ezra Levant Show. Ezra Levant is a writer, commentator, and host of the Ezra Levantist podcast. His work has been featured in the New York Times, CNN, CBS News, NPR, and many other publications. He is a regular contributor to the Forward, and has been a long-time friend and supporter of President Trump.
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Hello, my friends. A great conversation with our longtime commentator buddy, Barbara Kay.
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Tonight, is Dubai a safer city for Jews to live in than Montreal? It's December 10th,
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Well as I said yesterday, I'm not quite sure that the rebel commander, that's hey, that's
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my nickname, that's my nickname, who has taken over Syria is much of a liberator. I think it's
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out of the frying pan into the fire. I don't for one second defend Bashar Assad and some
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of the scenes from those political prisons are absolutely shocking, the most depraved conditions
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imaginable. I will even use the phrase Nazi-like or certainly Stalinist. And no doubt people who
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have hated the Assad family for two generations are delighted to see it replaced, but I fear
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what has come in its place is even worse. It reminds me in so many ways of Muammar Gaddafi,
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the tyrant of Libya, who was deposed only to have absolute chaos, lawlessness, open air slave markets,
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and a version of ISIS take over that country. And it was a starter pistol to millions of migrants from
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Africa and the Middle East into Europe, perhaps the most fateful decision ever done by Hillary Clinton
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as Secretary of State. I see many of the same forces at play now. And I wonder if the celebrations
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around the West by Syrian expat communities mean some of them will return home to Syria or the opposite,
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if others will flee Syria toward the West. That's a question that every Canadian should think about.
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Justin Trudeau got elected in part by his promise to bring in tens of thousands of Syrian migrants
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to Canada. And he thinks he can extend his stay by doing the same again, ramping up immigration to
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never-before-seen levels and breaking the Canadian consensus of immigration at the same time. But I think
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one of the cities most wracked by violence or threats of violence from these Syrian migrants and others of the
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the Islamic persuasion is that of Montreal. Montreal is a favorite for many refugees and migrants from
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French-speaking countries like Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, and others from the Maghreb, as it's called.
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And it was only a couple of weeks ago that Montreal was the site of a Damascus-style,
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Gaza-style, Gaza-style, perhaps you could say Amsterdam-style riot. While Prime Minister Justin Trudeau
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partied the night away, exchanging friendship bracelets with teenage girls at the Taylor Swift concert,
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at that precise moment, a combination, a coalition of pro-Hamas extremists and Antifa street thugs
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smashed their way through the city. While the collected leaders of NATO watched in astonishment,
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Trudeau was nowhere to be found. Here, take a look at some of that riot footage.
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I should say, despite the fact that hundreds, maybe even thousands of people participated in
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those riots, that night there were literally only three arrests made by the police of Montreal.
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Well, that's violence at its worst so far, may it not get any worse, but what we see in Montreal is a
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constant low-level assault on normal. Here's some imagery of pro-Hamas extremists parked outside
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the Notre Dame Basilica, not to be confused with the Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris, but the
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marvelous cathedral in Montreal, when Islamic extremists who call for Sharia law protest outside
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a Catholic church, it's not for any reason other than to intimidate and displace, perhaps
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one day conquer, perhaps one day torch, as its namesake in Paris was torched. Recently, Francois
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Legault, the premier of Quebec, announced that he was sick of having Middle Eastern, he said,
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Middle Eastern migrants on the streets, praying in a place that blocked the public. Here's
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Well, it's nice for him to wake up some 14 months after it began, but I put it to you
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that we don't need more laws, especially laws focusing on the religious aspect. It's the
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territorial aspect. It's the breaking of existing laws. You don't need to ban religion in the public
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place, a ban that will surely be used against Jews and Christians too. You need just to enforce the
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regular laws against nuisance, mischief, trespass, vandalism, uttering threats. Had Quebec done that
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from the beginning, it wouldn't be in the riotous situation it's in now. Well, joining us now to talk
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about what's happening to Canada's second most populous city is our friend Barbara Kay, who lives
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in Montreal and has been watching this from a front row seat. Barbara, great to see you again.
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You know, Montreal was such a Jewish city. Obviously, it was a Catholic city and a French city and an Anglo
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city. But for, I don't know, 50 years, maybe 100 years, it was a city also of Leonard Cohen,
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of Mordecai Ritzler, of, you know, of Delhi's and Jewish street life and Ashkenazi. And there
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was so many things about it that were safe and peaceful and happy. But that Montreal is gone
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forever, isn't it? It seems that it is. I mean, I hope it's not gone forever, but it certainly doesn't
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look like it's going to come back anytime soon. And I agree, it was always a city in which
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Jewish culture flourished, both Ashkenazi and Sephardic since the 1960s. You know, probably half
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the population now is of Sephardic origin. They bring their own wonderful traditions from the Middle
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East and their own, of course, their French speaking and very vibrant, of course, very strong
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institutional life. You know, the Jewish general hospital and the Jewish agencies that serve the
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entire city, Jewish theater, Yiddish theater. It's not gone, but it certainly could be gone if
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I'm glad you mentioned Sephardi Jews, just for our viewers who don't know. Ashkenazi Jews are typically
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Western European Jews, Central European Jews, typically from Germany or Poland or Ukraine,
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you could say, where Sephardi Jews are often from Arab lands. Places like Morocco, Iraq even,
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where they were expelled often in the 50s and 60s as a kind of ethnic cleansing. Some of them went to
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Israel, but some of them, being French speakers, would have gone to Quebec as well. I don't know,
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things, I mean, demographics is destiny. Our friend Mark Stein has been telling us that for 20 years,
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I suppose, and, you know, Canada's demographics were deliberately altered through a campaign of mass
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migration. I think Trudeau accelerated that, and he had a Islamic immigration strategy for political
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reasons as much as anything else. There's no particular economic reason for it, but if Stephen
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Harper was known as a friend of the Jews, and if Trudeau couldn't compete with that, well, if he would bring
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in a million Muslim migrants on his watch, that would more than offset the Jewish vote. I really do think it was
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I think it was political, and I think there's something very fascinating and exotic to a certain, a certain kind of
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mindset. They have no use for their own culture. They're bored with their own culture. They think
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their own culture is old-fashioned, and it's time to turn the page on. You know, Christianity is old news
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to them, and they pride themselves on being post-religion, but there's something about Islam that they find very
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exotic and very attractive. And so, yes, I think it was political. He did want to change the character
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of the culture. He did want to make it multicultural, and it was the easiest way to do it, and a way that
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attracted him, too. I see that he is attracted to Islam, and he does not see Islamism as a force that is
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changing this country in a rather alarming way. I think his brother had an impact on us, too. His
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brother, Alexandra, who has never met a tyrant he doesn't like. I guess that runs in the family. Pierre
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Trudeau was the same way. Alexandra Trudeau produced a movie called The New Great Game that was entirely
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sympathetic to Iran and the Ayatollahs. Now, that may be his natural point of view. I'm sure it is, but the film
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was actually produced by state media in Iran. So it's not just that he was a pro-Iran shill,
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which I think should question his judgment and his ethics. He literally worked for the government of
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Iran propagating their message, the definition of propaganda. Despite that, Trudeau, Justin Trudeau,
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made Alexandra his policy advisor in his leadership, Brian. No, I agree with you. Alexandra is definitely
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holds views that I find distasteful, to say the least. And I think I'm reminded in Trudeau's
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sort of fascination with Islam and Iran, I'm reminded of president, ex-president, former
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president Obama, who was infatuated with the idea that Iran should be the strong man of the Middle East
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and that he had this idea that if Iran was the leader or had the power to kind of, you know,
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be the force that kept a lid on everything in the Middle East, that that would be a good thing.
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He was completely wrong in his estimation. And he and a lot of a great deal of the
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unrest and disturbance and violence in the Middle East that we have seen in the last few years is a
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result of his failed and misguided policy. And I think Trudeau in his own way is, is reminds me very
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much of Obama in terms of letting his fascination with this, uh, culture that is completely different
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from our own. And, and for that reason, very appealing. Uh, he is, he, he has allowed our country,
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uh, to, uh, to, well, he, he, as you can see, and as you've said, uh, he has not put a lid on
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the violence that has erupted since October 7th. Uh, he's done very little. And, and by the way,
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that, that, that riot, um, the anti-NATO riot, it wasn't anti-NATO. Uh, they happened to be there.
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That riot, I believe erupted because he made a public statement saying that he fully supported the
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international, uh, criminal court. And, uh, yes, he would arrest Netanyahu and Yoav Gallant if they were to,
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uh, come to Canada, uh, because he felt bound to, you know, uh, to support, uh, that, that court.
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And they took from that the message that it was, yes, open season on Jews, because to them, Jews and
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Israel are all the same. Uh, so I believe that that was actually connected. Uh, and it's tragic that,
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uh, look, fish, fish rot from the head. Uh, Trudeau has shown zero leadership on the, uh, growing
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anti-Semitism and he has, he has issued platitudes. Uh, it, it's very easy for a leader to say the right
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things and do the right things. And we have seen, uh, Donald Trump make pronouncements. You will see
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anti-Semitism subside in the United States after he becomes, he's inaugurated and you will see campuses
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take control of their campuses because he has threatened to withhold funding if they don't. Uh, and you will
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see, uh, that people will be deported, uh, or that people will be jailed or that there will be a very strong
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leadership on that file. And you will see, uh, a direct result and, uh, and, uh, things will get
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better. I believe, uh, once he, he is in power, uh, if you don't take a strong sand, the leadership
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does not, the message is sent. I don't care. I don't care that this is happening and I'm not seeing
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it. I'm not, I'm not prepared to do anything about it. Uh, he is giving permission, uh, for these riots
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to continue and for anti-Semitism, uh, to be rife in our streets. Um, but can I just say, you said
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something I would like to respond to. You said religion isn't the issue and, uh, Muslims praying in the
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streets. There's nothing wrong with that, um, in the public forum. I actually disagree with you. I think that when,
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uh, uh, aggressive, uh, activists, Muslim activists take to the streets to pray, it's not about expressing
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piety or faith or, uh, their love for Allah. It's about saying we are dominating your public spaces and
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we will triumph, uh, in this country. Our religion is going to triumph in this country. So I do not see
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Christians praying in the streets. I don't see Jews praying in the streets. I don't see Hindus praying in the
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streets. Nobody prays in the streets. The public forum is for everybody to enjoy and everybody to meet and
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greet each other. Uh, it's not for one group to, uh, start chanting prayers and everybody else has to sort of,
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you know, walk around or, or not speak up or not. That's no longer a public forum. They, they've turned,
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the public space into a prayer space and their, their prayers are often tinged with political,
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um, ideology. Uh, Islam is both a religion and an ideology. And in these spaces, when they do these,
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uh, organized, um, performance theater of praying in the street, there's a very strong message there.
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And it's a political message, not a message of faith, in my opinion.
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I agree with every word you said. I think maybe I expressed myself too, uh, briefly. It's,
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it's the political domination using religion as the excuse and, and daring us say, well,
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you wouldn't violate your belief in civil liberties and multiculturalism, would you? It's a,
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it's a twofold tactic. It's weaponizing Islam and it's daring us to do something about it,
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relying on the fact that we're apologetic liberal Westerners and we will always
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accommodate the other. Oh, I agree with you. I mean, my point on that is
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Legault doesn't actually need to ban religion in the public square because there are plenty of laws to
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get people off the, off the street. You can't just walk on the street. At the very least,
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you get a jaywalking charge. You can get more than that. So I think, but wasn't he more commenting
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on the seven schools that he, there were seven schools that he, he was saying that they were
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allowing prayer in the school and that the teachers were themselves Muslim and encouraging prayer in
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the school. And he was very exercised about that because as you know, uh, Quebec is, uh, militantly,
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um, committed to secularism in schools. I happen to agree with that.
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I I'm perfectly okay with bill 21 and I am perfectly okay with all prayer in the school
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not happening. And I think that it apparently has been in certain schools that are dominated,
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uh, that, that have a strong, um, population of Muslims, including amongst the teachers
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that this is going on and it should not. I agree with him on that.
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I want to tell you that I, I really don't disagree with the word you said. I think maybe I was being
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too subtle by suggesting that the premier has, it's like when I hear people say, we need laws against
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online antisemitism. We need the online harms act to stop antisemitism. And I think, are you kidding
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me? I see antisemitism in real life every day. The police in my own town abide threats,
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vandalism, mischiefs, you know, almost like a crystal knock. And you're saying, oh, if only we
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had this extra law, we could do something about it. My, my point to Legault would be the same point
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to those who support a censorship bill, which is we're just not even enforcing the laws right now
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for whatever political reason. And I don't think we need to say no religion on the main street of the
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city because we already have other laws saying no, nothing on the main street of the city without,
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you know, you get a parade permit, maybe there's a St. Patrick's Day parade or whatever it is,
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a controlled planned community event, not a hate march. But you said other things that I forgot about
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Obama and how exotic he was. And I don't know if you remember this, Barbara, but do you remember the
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very first international speech that Obama gave after he was inaugurated? It was not in Canada, it was not
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at the United Nations, it was not even in Afghanistan or anything like that. It was, if I'm not mistaken,
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I'm going from memory here, I haven't thought about it in a while, it was in Cairo. Cairo, it was in Cairo.
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At the Al-Azhar sort of university. And he invited the Muslim Brotherhood, which is basically a multi-tentacle
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terror group, an Islamist extremist group. He invited Iran to sit in the front row. And I don't know if you
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remember this, but he actually introduced himself. The only time I've ever heard him do that,
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I'm Barack Hussein Obama. So he leaned into how exotic he was. And the message he gave that day was,
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we're not going to judge you. Iran can choose its own future. Any country here can choose
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their version of democracy. And America's not going to respond. Here's a quick clip of that speech,
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which was translated and subtitled into a dozen languages. It was the greatest,
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most important foreign policy push of the Obama administration, at least the first term.
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Here's a reminder of what that looked like. Now, much has been made of the fact that an
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American, an African-American with the name Barack Hussein Obama could be elected president.
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The fourth issue that I will address is democracy. I know there has been controversy about the promotion of democracy in recent years,
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and much of this controversy is connected to the war in Iraq. So let me be clear,
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no system of government can or should be imposed by one nation by any other.
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That does not lessen my commitment, however, to governments that reflect the will of the people.
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Each nation gives life to this principle in its own way, grounded in the traditions of its own people.
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America does not presume to know what is best for everyone, just as we would not presume to pick the outcome of a peaceful election.
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But, I do have an unyielding belief that all people yearn for certain things.
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The ability to speak your mind and have a say in how you are governed.
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Confidence in the rule of law and the equal administration of justice.
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Government that is transparent and doesn't steal from the people.
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And that is why we will support them everywhere.
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Now, there is no straight line to realize this promise.
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Governments that protect these rights are ultimately more stable, successful, and secure.
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Suppressing ideas never succeeds in making them go away.
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America respects the right of all peaceful and law-abiding voices to be heard around the world, even if we disagree with them.
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And we will welcome all elected peaceful governments, provided they govern with respect for all their people.
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I think Trudeau, when he plays dress-up all the time, when he's always trying on a new costume, I think it's because there's no core to him.
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When he says Canada is a post-national country, I think he's just sort of projecting he has no core.
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And the crazy irony there is he comes from a pillar of Canadian history.
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He comes from a terrible but great prime minister.
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He comes from a prime minister who served 16 years, who was elected time and again, who had strong views on bilingualism, on the chart of rights.
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You can disagree or agree with Pierre Trudeau, but imagine being an apple that falls from the Pierre Trudeau tree and being so hollow.
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And like, as the Bible would say, salt that has lost its saltiness.
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Yeah, well, he's not only hollow, he's ignorant of—and I don't think he's stupid, but he is ignorant of the world.
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And this is a kid who, from the time he was very young, six or seven, he was accompanying his father around the world, meeting, you know, leaders of countries all over the world.
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And if ever a child would have been encouraged to be interested in history and be interested in politics and be interested, it would have been him.
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But this is somebody who is absolutely ignorant of the Middle East and has no interest, and has no interest in foreign affairs.
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So otherwise, he certainly would not have appointed Melanie Jolie to that role.
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He has never shown that he knows what he's talking about when he talks about the Middle East or anywhere else.
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Obama is far more intelligent than Trudeau and is definitely interested in history and politics.
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But his choice of Iran to suck up to and to make his shining star so that America could withdraw from the Middle East was simply misguided.
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It's arrogance and a kind of a belief in his own, that his own reason told him this is what it should be.
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This is what we, you know, what a reasonable policy would be instead of actually looking at the facts on the ground.
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Well, it'd be amazing to see what happens with Iran in the weeks ahead.
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I tell you, between the destruction of Hezbollah, their terrorist group in Lebanon, between the collapse of Assad in Syria, between Israel eliminating Iran's air defenses, and between basically the end of the Gaza war.
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I acknowledge there's 100 hostages yet to be released.
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But, I mean, the ability of Hamas to cause strikes on Israel is very limited.
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The Middle East has changed more in the last year than I think in the decade previous, other than the Abraham Accords that Trump achieved in his first term.
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And that I think he's going to build on quickly in his second term.
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And thanks to Israel's response to Hamas, Hezbollah, the dominoes that are falling in Syria, clearing a path to Iran.
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Israel has destroyed all the air defenses in Syria.
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They've destroyed the routes that are allowing.
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This is unbelievable what's going on in the Middle East today.
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And you said you didn't know if these groups would be any better than Assad because they're like ISIS.
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But I've noticed something very interesting about the one that's the big leader.
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As they paraded, as they made their way to Damascus, he said to, he told his men, do not harm the Christians or the, you know, the Yazidis or the minorities.
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He said things are going to be different this time.
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And the Druze, maybe they will, maybe they won't.
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But, you know, once again, Syria was put together as a country.
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It had no actual rationale for, you know, was it a fit between the Alawites, Assad is an Alawite, the Sunnis, the Shiites.
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But it should have been, that should not have been the case.
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You should not have had an Alawite leader for a largely Sunni population.
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Anyways, I wouldn't say that even though they're Islamists, that they're not a lot more politically sophisticated than they used to be.
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I honestly seem to see a glimmer of that, you know, very often former terrorists end up being, they turn into legitimate political leaders.
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And I see some hope here that there could be intelligent leadership there.
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Well, I mean, there's the Trump effect, of course, if you recall, short days after Trump was elected.
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The Houthis, the terrorist group in Yemen, unilaterally announced they were going to stop attacking freighters and other commercial ships going through the Red Sea in the Suez Canal.
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And I don't think they would have made that announcement had Kamala Harris won.
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And then Trump said, you better give back those hostages or you're going to see to Hamas or you'll, you know, rue the day you were born.
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I mean, I think they're taking that very seriously.
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I hear there's lists being drawn up of hostages that are going to be released.
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And I think that, I mean, if you remember, Obama toyed with ISIS for years, but Trump wrapped them up in a matter of weeks.
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Trump took out a senior Iranian commander, Soleimani.
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I think that, you know, there is something to be said about walk softly and carry a big step.
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In Trump's case, he walks very noisily, but that seems to do the trick.
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Well, in the Middle East, power is what people respect.
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This idea that you can de-escalate and get diplomacy, diplomacy, this idea that you can talk your way to peace.
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And, you know, unless things change very radically, it's like, it's like Osama bin Laden said, weak horse, strong horse.
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That's the way it's always been in that corner of the world.
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So I would say, you know, you're going to see a strong horse coming in.
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And it will be for America's good and for Israel's good, I would say.
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You know, there was never a rally for Gaza or for Hamas in Abu Dhabi, in Dubai, in Riyadh.
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In fact, the most atrocious places were in the West, were in Amsterdam, Montreal, Columbia University.
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The Abraham Accord countries, they really have learned a lot of lessons in the past 50 years.
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And I would say, if there's one really encouraging sign, is what you said, that they were very quiet during the whole thing.
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And right now, today, probably the safest place for Jews in the world, as the Emirates, as the Emirates say, is the United Arab Emirates.
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They have consciously chosen to become pluralistic and to boast about their pluralism, and they welcomed Christians, welcomed Jews, welcomed them to enjoy their religious freedom.
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And this, to me, this, to me, is a very shocking thing, because it's almost like Islam in their countries went through a reformation without using the word reformation.
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So, I really, we can't give up hope for the Middle East, because there's reason to hope.
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About the West, I don't think there's too much reason.
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As you say, I don't think there's a lot of reason to have hope about the West.
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I think we are in serious decline, except we'll see what happens in America.
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But in Europe, Canada, Australia, these countries, they're just giving in.
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They are giving in and accepting their decline, as if that was a natural thing to happen when you have multiculturalism.
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It just, you made me think of a little anecdote, a little factoid.
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Of course, there was always a direct flight from Toronto to Tel Aviv on Air Canada, and there were other airlines, too, from time to time.
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But one airline that never stopped flying to Tel Aviv was the Emirates and fly Dubai.
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And airlines from the United Arab Emirates never stopped flying direct to Israel.
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In fact, if you wanted to go from Canada, that's probably how you would have wound up going.
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I think that it'll be interesting to see what happens when the wars, when Abraham Accords round two kicks in.
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I think Lebanon may be the most hopeful part of that.
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Now it's a Christian minority, but there's still, they remember what life was like.
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They used to call Beirut the Paris of the Middle East.
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And I think that removing Hezbollah was a favor to many people in Lebanon.
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And I think most Lebanese would agree with you.
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The problem is that their own non-Hezbollah infrastructure, political infrastructure is weak.
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It's such a great opportunity now for the country to take back its, you know, its government.
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And to, if its army could impose themselves in the places where, because Hezbollah is very demoralized.
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If it's not going to happen now, I don't know, I don't think anybody else can do it for them.
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You can't, I mean, it would be stupid to ask Israel or any other country to come in and, you know, set them up like to become a client state for any other country.
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The West should encourage them and do everything they can to stand by Lebanon.
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Same with Iran, because Iran is ripe for a revolution again.
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The one, you remember Obama did not support the one.
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The Green Revolution in, was it 19, 2011 or 12?
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Remember Obama had, they begged America to help them.
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And, and they, and they were ready to rise up and America, like under Obama said, no, no, no.
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And now is a good time for activists to start getting their act together.
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You know, I mean, Donald Trump was very clear a couple days ago talking about Syria.
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No U.S. troops are part of his message is to disentangle Americans from the forever war.
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And it'll be interesting to see how that works.
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And by the way, neither China nor Russia nor Iran dared do anything because they, they were worried.
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I actually do think that Trump, I don't know if it'll happen within 24 hours, when he said he'll solve the Russia-Ukraine war, he said he'll do it in a day.
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I don't know about that, but it wouldn't surprise me if it's done, they're obviously working on it now.
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Trump and Zelensky met again in Paris at the opening of the cathedral.
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Justin Trudeau refused to attend that cathedral.
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I mean, that was a moment for Christendom, for anyone with a connection to France.
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You would think that Trudeau, from a French, the largest French city in North America, you would think he would have gone there.
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I mean, I could come up with my theories as, you know, he doesn't want to seem to be a supporter of the Catholic patriarchal church.
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I mean, it was a very traditional, like, there was no transgenderism, there was no feminism on display, there was no Black Lives Matter, it was France encapsulated.
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Because he likes to travel, he likes to go to fancy places.
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He was given a dressing down by Donald Trump, and Trump's arrival there, he was the center of attention, other than the church itself.
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But maybe Trudeau is, for the first time, a little bit adrift and not knowing exactly what to do.
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I think that the pressure on Trudeau is ramping up.
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You mentioned how ditzy Melanie Jolie is, and that's very true.
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He didn't bring her down to the Mar-a-Lago desperation meeting.
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He brought Dominic LeBlanc, who's probably the closest thing to a competent cabinet minister in Trudeau's circle.
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And I'm trying to remember who else he brought.
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Don't you think that's a bit weird, that you don't bring your foreign minister to meet with the most important foreign leader?
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But I think he didn't bring Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland, because he knows they hate her.
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And that was the closest thing to a grown-up dinner that Justin Trudeau had in a long time.
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I'm more confident about the Middle East than I am about our own country.
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I'm more confident that Israel can make peace with its neighbors than we can find peace on our streets.
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And I think in part that's because, as you say, we have terrible moral leadership in this country.
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I think also because we're continuing to bring in people we don't vet in any way.
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There are no longer interviews when you immigrate to Canada.
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And you bring over a million people from countries where anti-Semitism is endemic.
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Like, don't be surprised when you have a lot of Hamas supporters.
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We're one of the only two countries in the world stupid enough to bring in migrants from Gaza.
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But you know what would be the easiest thing to do?
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You don't even have to have interviews because people can lie in interviews.
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All you have to do is ask them where they went to school.
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And then check out those schools and look at their textbooks.
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At least you can't know if they're all, you know, going to have...
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Like, they all are full of hate or not full of hate.
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But if they've been brought up in places where all the textbooks are full of hate for another
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people, then the odds are that they're not going to feel terrific about those other people
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when they see them in, you know, the majority...
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I mean, remember, a lot of these countries, people don't really have a lot of formal education.
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I think it's just ubiquitous hatred for the West, hatred for the Jew who is seen as the
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epitome of the West, the Western enclave in the region.
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But it is possible to pull it out by the roots.
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I mean, if you were to ask me which will be a better city to be Jewish in 25 years from
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now, Montreal or Dubai, I would, you know, I would rather live in Montreal because it's
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Canada, because it's the country I'm from, because I have memories and history there.
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But I would be lying if I thought that it would be safer for a Jew in Montreal 25 years
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I just don't think I could honestly say that it would be.
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And you see Jewish doctors talking about leaving.
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But when hundreds of pro-Hamas activists have a street protest outside the Notre Dame
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Basilica in Montreal, it's not the Jews they're after now.
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It's, as they say, the Saturday people first and then the Sunday people.
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I think these are dark days, but there's a glimmer of sunshine out there, a glimmer of
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Are you, is there anything that's cause for giving you some hope or optimism?
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Uh, yeah, I think I really, honestly, since Donald Trump got elected, and believe me, for a long
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time I was a never-Trumper because of the obvious things about him, I, and I, I, I felt that his
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first term was quite chaotic, even though he did a lot of good things.
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I was very nervous about seeing him elected again.
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But I have to say that because he was elected with such, um, decisiveness, and, uh, when I
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saw that a lot of people, like blacks and Latinos and people that were unexpected, states turning
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that hadn't turned before, I said, this, this is a good thing.
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The people of the United States have majoritarily decided they have had enough of, uh, the kind
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of thinking that has dragged, uh, our culture into a kind of despair, disunity, and that is what gives
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me hope because people listen to America, whether they like America or they don't like America, and I
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feel hope that, uh, this new administration is going to, uh, is going to bring us to a better place, all
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of us, whether we like it or not, whether Canadians like, I think a lot of Canadians will like it, but, uh,
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I saw a poll that, um, Donald Trump is now more popular in Canada than Justin Trudeau is
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Well, Barbara, it's great to catch up with you.
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It's got the best of everything, but it has taken that suicide path of bringing in, of letting
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You'd, you'd get everybody in the jail, like, you know, activate.
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Well, hopefully I won't be arrested again, but you know what?
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If that's where we are, I mean, I don't know if you followed that at all, but the police
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literally said my mere presence on the street was inciting others to breach the peace.
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And, and I, in that moment, I understood why the cops said that.
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But he was saying, let me translate into plain English.
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This Hamas mob will get violent if I don't take the path of least resistance and move the, the Jewish guy.
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So I'm going to do the bidding of the mob because otherwise my job gets hard.
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I mean, listen, they're, they've, they're following orders.
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So it goes up the chain, you know, it's not, uh, they didn't come up with this, uh, this
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idea that we don't arrest anybody from the other side.
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We'll keep it up and hopefully I won't go to the slammer again anytime soon, but if I
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All right, there you have it, Barbara Kay, a columnist for the National Post and a good
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Until next time, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters to you at home,