Rebel News Podcast - February 29, 2024


EZRA LEVANT ｜ Trudeau's new censorship bill is the worst ever seen in the free world

Topics
censorship bill litigation preparation freedom of expression bill
Mentioned
Justin Trudeau John Carpe Stephen Harper Bernie Farber Mark Zuckerberg Elon Musk Mohammed Marty Lavrenti Beria Pierre Poilievre Jagmeet Singh James Fraser Stephen Campbell Arif Arani Mark Stein Bill C-63 Hobbes Stalin
EZRA LEVANT ｜ Trudeau tables a draconian censorship bill that criminalizes dissenting views Rebel Roundup ｜ Biolab scandal deepens, Alberta opposes 'clean electricity', Libs raise CBC budget

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Bill C-63 is a censorship bill that could see you get a life sentence for hate crimes, hate speech, child pornography, revenge porn, and other types of hate crimes. It's a new kind of hate crime, and it could be the battle of the year.

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00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. I'm back on today about Bill C-63. That's Trudeau's new censorship law.
00:00:07.100 Yesterday, I went on at great length. Today, I'm going to give you sort of my more considered
00:00:10.260 thoughts. Keep it shorter. We're going to interview John Carpe, the boss of the Justice
00:00:13.800 Center for Constitutional Freedoms. I think this is going to be the battle of the year for us,
00:00:18.480 and whether we want it or not, frankly, I think Trudeau has built this law in part to take us on.
00:00:25.860 But before I get to today's show, let me invite you to become a subscriber to Rebel News Plus.
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00:00:43.400 You know, $8 might not sound like a lot of money to you, but you put it together with thousands of
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00:00:51.800 a reason to do it, too. Please go to rebelnewsplus.com. All right, here's today's podcast.
00:01:00.000 Tonight, I'm still in shock at the details of Trudeau's new censorship bill. Here's my
00:01:17.320 thoughts after 48 hours. It's February 28th, and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.
00:01:21.760 You're ready for freedom. Shame on you, you censorious bug.
00:01:28.100 Hey, I don't know if you saw the show last night or the full two and a half hour live stream
00:01:43.340 I did in the middle of the day. It was good, but it was plodding. I was going through slowly
00:01:49.240 learning along with you. I had not read the full thing before, so I was sort of going slow,
00:01:54.240 and I was going in chronological order, just sort of page by page. I want to do now, instead of doing
00:02:01.240 a two and a half hour version, I want to see if I can get it down to 15 minutes. Not just 15 minutes
00:02:05.780 to summarize it, but my thoughts on the whole thing a couple days in. I think the first thing
00:02:10.700 is what this bill is not about. It's not actually about child pornography. That's been banned by the
00:02:18.100 criminal code for decades. It's not about revenge pornography, where you filmed a partner, and now
00:02:26.200 you're estranged, and they're an ex, and you upload it to the internet in vengeance. That happens these
00:02:31.260 days. That's been criminalized for 10 years. Stephen Harper passed an amendment to the criminal code in
00:02:37.480 2014. Five years in prison if you do that. This law is not about getting social media companies to put
00:02:45.580 a block button to ban, to allow you to ban people who harass you. All of these things, child pornography,
00:02:53.180 revenge porn, social media safety, that's already in effect. If you feel yourself saying, yeah, that's a good
00:03:00.760 idea. We should ban that, or we should regulate that. Okay, good. We're doing that already. That is not what
00:03:06.920 this law is about. That's a distraction, a misdirection, an illusion, a trick. When Trudeau rolled out
00:03:15.120 family members who had child abuse issues, he was actually using them. He was re-abusing them
00:03:22.600 by making them human shields, cannon fodder, to distract from his real goal. It's not just the
00:03:29.040 child pornography. This bill talks about banning incitement of violence, banning incitement to
00:03:35.980 terrorism. I think you probably know those are already against the law. We toughened up our
00:03:41.620 anti-terrorism laws after 9-11 and inciting violence as being a crime even before Canada
00:03:48.220 was born. Now, this is really about censorship. It's obvious. This bill creates not one, not two,
00:03:56.400 but three new offices and agencies dedicated to censoring the internet, each one of which has their
00:04:04.140 own office, their own staff, their own budget, their own CEO. Plus, in addition to those three
00:04:10.900 new agencies, it beefs up the Canadian Human Rights Commission and the Canadian Human Rights
00:04:16.480 Tribunal. To show you how important the censorship is, the Justice Minister has a new title, Justice
00:04:23.180 Minister, Attorney General, and Minister of State for Online Harms. As I said yesterday, there are hundreds
00:04:30.600 of laws in Canada. The criminal code has hundreds of sections. The only one that is now part of the
00:04:37.080 Justice Minister's new title is this censorship bill. Censorship is the heart of it. The most shocking
00:04:45.220 detail is a new standalone hate crime offense punishable by life in prison. I didn't know the
00:04:53.040 liberals believed in life in prison. They certainly don't believe in it for murderers or rapists or
00:04:57.300 terrorists, but for hating the wrong people. Life in prison. Something equally shocking to me is the
00:05:04.640 pre-crime nature, where a judge can preemptively punish someone, arrest someone, put them under house
00:05:11.020 arrest, if they fear they will, in the future, commit a hate crime. Put them in house arrest. Put an ankle
00:05:19.820 bracelet on them. Make them undergo regular drug and urine tests. Seize their lawful firearms. Ban them from
00:05:26.320 talking to any particular person. Ban them from going to any particular place. And if they resist
00:05:31.260 these, going straight to prison for not complying. All before they've done a thing. There's other
00:05:38.060 shocking things, like a requirement that social media companies like Facebook or Twitter take down
00:05:43.640 offensive posts within 24 hours or face huge fines, which means that they will have no time to
00:05:50.440 investigate or to hear the other side or to properly look into it. They'll simply take everything down
00:05:56.160 when someone complains. I think one of the most personal aspects of this is the renovation of
00:06:04.560 Section 13 of the Canadian Human Rights Act. You may know that that's the provision that I campaigned
00:06:09.480 on repealing when Stephen Harper was the Prime Minister. Based on my own experience publishing the
00:06:13.940 Danish cartoons of Mohammed, we lobbied the Canadian government and Parliament passed a law repealing
00:06:20.060 the hate speech section to those putting it back in. And this time it's even worse. He rewards
00:06:27.760 complainants with $20,000 payments. That is, if you complain against Rebel News, you can get up to
00:06:37.180 $20,000 from us and cause us to have to pay $50,000 to the government. You could complain for every single
00:06:45.600 article we post because we tweet and use other social media for all of our journalism. Literally
00:06:54.260 every single news story could attract a complaint to the Human Rights Commission for hate because it's a
00:07:02.500 moneymaker now. This will create and fund an army of professional internet complainers. I should say 0.93
00:07:10.280 that hate speech to complain to the Human Rights Commission now specifically includes criticizing
00:07:16.480 gender identity or gender expression. You might not even know what those words mean. They're so
00:07:22.920 newfangled. Gender identity is when you look like a fella, but you just say, man, I feel like a woman.
00:07:29.540 You can have a beard. You can have your twig and berries. But as long as you identify as a woman, 1.00
00:07:35.320 you're a woman. And you can go into a change room or a bathroom or a rape shelter. Every one of those 1.00
00:07:42.240 things has happened in Canada. You can go into a women's prison. Gender expression is when you shave 1.00
00:07:47.760 your beard and put on makeup. But if you criticize either of these practices, you could be prosecuted for
00:07:54.260 a hate crime under this bill. What's even more terrifying, and this is something new, this was not
00:08:00.640 the case when I was prosecuted in Human Rights Court, complainants can now keep their identity secret,
00:08:07.340 even from the accused. So a complaint could come in about a broadcast we do here.
00:08:14.720 Who complained? Was it a competitor? Was it someone we wrote a critical article about?
00:08:20.360 Was it someone in the Liberal Party? Was it an ex-employee or a personal friend who turned sour?
00:08:28.280 Those are all relevant facts when you're accused in a real court. So you can say, oh, I know this guy.
00:08:33.760 He's just mad because of that. Or I know that guy. He's full of it because of this.
00:08:37.940 You don't know who's coming at you now. The ability to look your accuser in the eye is removed in this
00:08:43.920 bizarre law. I used to think, I used to think my first reading of the bill, I thought this is a war
00:08:50.740 on Elon Musk because he's taken over Twitter and made it for freedom of speech. It is, but it's also
00:08:57.460 a war on every big tech company. I think Justin Trudeau looks at those companies and says, well,
00:09:04.140 I want you to censor more for me. But really, he looks at them and he sees money. In fact, one of the
00:09:10.300 most shocking parts of this bill is a proposal that 8% of a social media company's global revenues
00:09:16.240 be a fine, an 8% fine of their entire world revenue. What? So by the way, I Googled it yesterday
00:09:24.840 and I think Facebook had revenues of about $140 billion US last year. So 8%, you've got a 10 billion
00:09:31.960 US amount that the government of Canada thinks they'll just take from Facebook. We'll see how that
00:09:38.620 goes down. But of course, Trudeau thinks he can spend money better than anyone can spend their
00:09:43.300 own money. There's something else that is terrifying. The power to get into the internal
00:09:48.760 records and the computer files of any of these social media companies, not to do some police
00:09:55.060 work, but to do advocacy and education. But I don't think it's in the end really about hunting
00:10:01.920 Elon Musk or Mark Zuckerberg. I think in the end, it's about hunting you. If you have written a
00:10:09.280 Facebook post or a Twitter post five years ago, 10 years ago, even one that you've forgotten about,
00:10:16.160 the law specifically says if there is an offensive publication online that's still online and you
00:10:21.440 could delete it, you have the power to delete it, and you don't, you're liable for it. Literally
00:10:27.100 everything and anything you have ever written online can be used against you. You can be prosecuted
00:10:33.560 for it. A $20,000 punishment, if a complaint comes at you, plus a $50,000 fine, to fight that would
00:10:43.760 probably cost you $20,000 in legal costs. This is going to be rushed through Parliament, of course.
00:10:50.260 Jagmeet Singh and Justin Trudeau has just renewed their vows in their coalition.
00:10:53.500 So what's the public reaction mean? So far, the Canadian Civil Liberties Association,
00:11:01.440 the Canadian Constitution Foundation, the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms
00:11:04.660 have all said this is very troubling. But there's people who will profit by it.
00:11:10.960 Bernie Farber is one such name. He was the chair of the so-called anti-hate network that gets millions
00:11:17.480 of dollars from American sources, as well as the Trudeau government. Farber is a misinformation
00:11:23.900 expert. Here he is, claiming that a pamphlet in Florida, an anti-Semitic pamphlet in Florida,
00:11:30.140 was actually being distributed in Canada. He used the exact photograph of when it was shot in Florida.
00:11:37.420 The guy's a liar. But he makes money out of whipping up hate. So of course he loves this. 0.98
00:11:42.560 He's going to get rich off this. I saw Stephen Camp, the former hate speech officer at the
00:11:47.960 Edmonton Police Service, who now works for the Canadian Race Relations Foundation, paid for by
00:11:52.800 taxpayers. So what I'm saying is all the race hucksters, the anti-hate hucksters who grift for
00:11:57.640 a living off of this, they love it. Because they no longer have to apply for grants to get their money.
00:12:05.240 They can just file complaints for cash. Let me quote to you from an access to information request
00:12:11.540 that we did with the government about this Canadian anti-hate network and how they get
00:12:16.480 funded to file complaints. Take a look at this. This is that group that Bernie Farber was associated
00:12:21.540 with. This is the hunter-killer group that likes to smear conservatives. This is from their grant
00:12:26.980 application to the government. We got this through an access to information request. Look at this.
00:12:31.360 We continue to file professional and lawyer-reviewed criminal complaints that provide evidence of
00:12:36.180 criminal activity by members and supporters of hate-promoting groups. However, since applying for the grant,
00:12:41.440 we have been disappointed to find that engaging law enforcement in this way is not particularly
00:12:45.620 fruitful. Now, while we still file those complaints, we put less of an emphasis there and pursue other
00:12:50.940 legal avenues in cases of criminality too, e.g. lawyer drafted complaints to social media platforms.
00:12:56.880 I have no problem with the language in the agreement in regards to law enforcement as in version one.
00:13:02.060 However, if you have no objections, I have admitted references to law enforcement in section one and
00:13:06.880 section three. Anyhow, I won't continue on, but you can see that this is a letter from the Canadian
00:13:12.240 Anti-Hate Network to the government of Canada saying, we need money and we will take your
00:13:17.840 taxpayers' dollars and we will use this to file legal complaints and lawsuits against Trudeau's enemies.
00:13:26.720 That's how they operated until now. But now they're going to be given the legal right to live off of us
00:13:32.740 and off of you and anyone they complain against. I think it's going to be how they kill Rebel News,
00:13:38.820 by the way. Every single news report we do will be hit with a complaint for up to $70,000 per
00:13:46.180 incident, $20,000 to the complainant, $50,000 to the feds. It's sort of like what they're doing to Trump.
00:13:51.740 Endless nuisance suits just batter us repeatedly, distract us, waste our time and energy.
00:13:56.540 So what are we going to do about it? Number one, spread the word to Canadians, make videos about it,
00:14:03.200 write news stories, send out emails, raise the alarm globally, let the world know, especially our
00:14:07.520 American friends who care about freedom of speech, what's going on in their next door neighbor.
00:14:11.480 We have a petition so we can show the government how wrong it is. Stop the censorship.ca. If we can
00:14:17.220 get hundreds of thousands of names, show the government how serious this is. And I want to
00:14:23.380 prepare for litigation now. What do I mean by that? This is not law yet. It was just introduced this
00:14:28.660 week. Hasn't been voted on yet. Hasn't been gone through the Senate yet. Hasn't been proclaimed yet.
00:14:37.460 The Human Rights Tribunal hasn't been staffed up yet. These three anti-hate censorship offices
00:14:43.880 haven't been hired yet. It's probably going to take months, maybe even until 2025. So we do have some time.
00:14:53.380 But you know the instant that the power switches are flicked on. I can't imagine Rebel News wouldn't be
00:15:00.660 sued the very first day they're alive. Not for that life in prison stuff, but for the $70,000 battering ram
00:15:08.660 every day, every day. That's how they're going to come for us. And the moment this law is live, we will go to
00:15:17.260 court if we have standing, if we have to see the final version of the law. Are they coming for us?
00:15:22.780 Are they complaining against us? Are they investigating us? The moment we can, I want to be
00:15:28.240 ready. I want to do our legal research now. I want to prepare the litigation now. So the first time this
00:15:34.480 law is used, we pull the trigger and we go after it. I want the facts to be solid and I want the lawyers
00:15:39.380 to be great. I want the best arguments. I don't want the first test case to be with a crummy lawyer or a
00:15:44.600 crummy fact pattern. We're starting now. Rebel News really has no choice here. We have no choice in the
00:15:52.200 matter. Don't you think, don't you agree with me that of every news agency, of every contrary voice
00:15:59.540 in this country that would be targeted by this bill, Rebel News would be at the top of the list.
00:16:04.080 But don't you also think that if anyone can fight back, it's going to be us. And by us, I mean,
00:16:12.640 we and you. Go to stopthecensorship.ca. Stay with me. John Carpe is next.
00:16:20.460 Well, yesterday, if you joined my live stream, you'll realize there's a lot to talk about here.
00:16:36.940 There's a lot of camouflage, a lot of distraction. The example I gave yesterday
00:16:40.900 was the promise to ban revenge porn, as in you had an intimate photo of a loved one and you're
00:16:48.280 estranged and you publish it as vengeance. Yeah, it's a good idea to ban that, which is why
00:16:52.640 Parliament banned it in 2014. The reason that's included in this bill is a distraction, a camouflage
00:16:59.580 from what's really going on. Child pornography has been illegal since pornography was illegal and the
00:17:05.500 law is updated routinely. The idea of having a block button on Twitter and Facebook is such a good
00:17:11.420 idea that those companies have been doing it for years. All of those parts of the bill are
00:17:16.980 misdirection, to get you talking about those things we all agree on already, that just already
00:17:23.180 happened to be law. So that if you disagree with the other parts, you'll be told that you don't care
00:17:28.720 about children. It was really gross to me to see Arif Arani, the justice minister, flanked by moms of 1.00
00:17:35.260 children who basically said, how dare you question this? He's using them as human cannon fodder, 0.85
00:17:41.360 as human shields to hide what he's really up to. What he's really up to is the greatest infringement
00:17:47.860 in civil liberties that I have seen for any democracy in the world, let alone for Canada.
00:17:55.320 And I've seen censorship bills in Germany, in the Netherlands, in Ireland, in the United Kingdom,
00:18:03.040 in Australia, in New Zealand. I've never seen anything like this. And joining me now to talk
00:18:10.020 about it is our friend John Carpe, the boss of the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms.
00:18:15.320 John, great to see you again.
00:18:16.920 Good to see you, Ezra.
00:18:18.280 John, it took me two and a half hours to go through the bill. It's about 100 pages long.
00:18:22.740 There's so many poison pills in it for our democracy, so many shocking things. If I had to ask you
00:18:29.240 what the worst part of it is, I know you couldn't answer me with one example, but tell me what the
00:18:34.400 most worrisome parts of this bill are to you and the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms.
00:18:41.660 At the top of the list, or close to the top of the list, is the power it gives to the federal cabinet
00:18:47.000 to pass new laws, known as regulations, which have the force of law, where they get to define
00:18:54.320 what is a social media provider. And so without consulting parliament, without transparency,
00:19:00.900 cabinet meetings are held in secret. The cabinet can secretly talk about, plan, and then declare
00:19:06.240 into being new regulations that could define a social media provider, or a social media service
00:19:13.760 could be something like a church or a non-profit or a citizen's advocacy group, or independent media
00:19:20.740 like The Rebel and True North and Epoch Times and so on. You could be deemed by the federal cabinet
00:19:27.320 to be a social media service. And so we could have federal bureaucrats looking at the content 0.85
00:19:34.420 of the email newsletter that the church sends out to its members and supporters. That is frightening.
00:19:42.560 They can decide that. They get to finalize the definition of harm. There's this wide latitude.
00:19:49.380 If this bill is passed, federal cabinet can turn this into an Orwellian nightmare without any democratic
00:19:58.360 accountability whatsoever, unless and until there's an election and a change of government.
00:20:05.400 But the power of regulation is frightening, because it takes the legislative authority of parliament
00:20:13.040 and transfers it to the prime minister's office, effectively.
00:20:16.140 You know, isn't that incredible? I went on for two and a half hours yesterday. I didn't even think
00:20:20.220 of that risk. I mean, I sort of thought, okay, social media provider, I know what that is, Twitter,
00:20:25.400 YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, but says who?
00:20:29.440 You know, and if the bill said social media provider means Facebook, TikTok, Twitter, X, whatever,
00:20:37.860 okay, it would still be a terrible piece of legislation for so many reasons, but at least we would have
00:20:42.060 certainty on that front. But they could decide that the rebel news is a social media service,
00:20:49.520 you know, because you're sending out emails and posting YouTube videos.
00:20:53.920 Nothing stops the federal government from declaring a church, a non-profit, a charity,
00:20:58.260 an independent media to be covered by this. The other frightening thing is you've got...
00:21:03.960 Let me stop you for one second. Hold that thought. Don't lose that thought. Don't lose it.
00:21:07.000 Because I want to add a clause to what you just said there. If we are deemed to be a social media
00:21:14.640 company, then that gives them all sorts of invasive powers to come in and root around in 0.99
00:21:20.260 our material. I did cover that part. I just thought, okay, they want to snoop around Elon Musk's
00:21:25.380 business. They want to look through his files and do education and advocacy. I did think about that
00:21:31.780 yesterday, but I only thought of Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg as the target. Deeming us a social
00:21:37.100 media service lets bureaucrats come into our office and have access to our computers. I didn't
00:21:43.620 understand the threat until you just said that. I didn't mean to interrupt you, but I wanted to say
00:21:47.100 what happens if we're deemed a social media network, because I never contemplated that until you
00:21:51.460 put the fear into me. Anyhow, sorry to interrupt your flow. You were about to make a second point
00:21:56.180 before I interrupted you. I just noticed it because the bill says expressly that the federal
00:22:03.420 cabinet gets to define what is a social media service. They get to define that. It's not defined
00:22:10.980 by the law that is passed by parliament. If it was defined as being limited to Facebook and Twitter,
00:22:18.820 again, it would be terrible legislation, but we wouldn't have to worry about that. But now we do.
00:22:22.880 Are they going to go after charities and say, we want to look into your electronic records and we
00:22:29.280 want to monitor and control what you're putting into your email newsletter that you're sending out
00:22:33.480 to your donors and supporters? In conjunction with that, we're going to hire a vast new army of
00:22:40.320 bureaucrats that will have the power to shut down. These regulations also empower the federal cabinet to
00:22:49.560 create penalties and to specify what kind of content is allowed or not allowed.
00:22:55.080 We've already got a situation. I've been thinking about this chant. I'm sure you've heard it and
00:22:59.720 many of the viewers of The Rebel have heard it. From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.
00:23:05.480 Now, in Estonia and Germany and Czech Republic, the authorities have declared that to be criminal speech.
00:23:12.760 It was somebody was charged with it in the Netherlands and then ultimately acquitted by the Dutch Supreme
00:23:18.760 Court saying it was not criminal speech. We had a man in Calgary charged with saying that charges were
00:23:25.240 stayed. But do we really want the government parsing political slogans, however offensive they might be?
00:23:32.280 Because this is this is the real risk. They're increasing the penalty for advocating genocide. So let's advocate that the
00:23:40.120 killing of a people group, presumably based on ethnicity or religion or otherwise. Maximum penalties five years. I think that's 0.60
00:23:47.800 enough of a deterrent. It's already dangerous considering how the government could use its power to define advocacy for genocide.
00:23:56.280 But no, that's not good enough. That penalty for advocating for genocide, just words alone, you could go to
00:24:04.120 prison for life for that. I think that five years maximum penalty is more than adequate as a deterrent.
00:24:11.640 And by the way, there's this new standalone hate speech crime that they're proposing that doesn't just cover that
00:24:17.960 example. There's a list of prohibited characteristics that you're not allowed to offend.
00:24:23.400 Or they're phrases to foment hatred towards. And in that list, there's the ones that we're used to.
00:24:31.800 Race, religion, sex, national origin, things like that. But there's sexual orientation and there's two new ones.
00:24:41.640 Gender identity and gender expression. And what do those words even mean? Gender identity is you say,
00:24:49.000 well, I don't care what you say. I feel like a woman. I feel like a girl. Sure, I have a beard and
00:24:56.360 I still have my twig and berries, but I identify as a woman. So I'm going into the girls change room 0.83
00:25:02.040 now and I'm going to swim against the girls. That's gender identity. Gender expression is, 1.00
00:25:07.400 okay, I shaved my beard, I put on makeup and I'm pretending to be a girl.
00:25:11.400 If you run afoul of those two banned characteristics, you could be liable for a hate crime.
00:25:20.440 I mean, listen, we don't have the details here yet, but that standalone hate crime is life in prison.
00:25:26.440 It's not just, I mean, and think about what a controversy transgenderism is in the country.
00:25:37.880 Anyone who dares to challenge it can be charged with a hate crime. Am I wrong on that, John? You're
00:25:43.720 the guy who's been looking at this through a legal lens. Is it true that if you criticize
00:25:49.320 transgenderism and someone complains, you could either be hit with a criminal prosecution, you could
00:25:56.600 be hit with a recognizance order where you're put under house arrest, you could be prosecuted before
00:26:01.720 the Human Rights Tribunal and subject to $20,000 in compensation and a $50,000 fine. If you fight against
00:26:08.600 transgenderism in a way that the government doesn't like, you could be fined or even jailed or put under
00:26:15.000 house arrest. Did I get that right? You got it right. And this gets back to the duplication because
00:26:21.000 the gender identity and gender expression have already been added to the criminal code of Canada.
00:26:27.000 So the willful promotion of hatred against a group on the basis of gender identity or gender expression
00:26:33.960 is already a criminal code offense as things stand right now. So potentially, if you were a vociferous
00:26:41.080 critic and maybe you didn't choose your words wisely and you came out with a sledgehammer,
00:26:46.120 maybe you used an atomic bomb to kill a fly. If you go over the top on criticizing this transgender 1.00
00:26:53.080 ideology and the activism, you could be facing criminal charges. But there you would have the
00:27:00.280 defense of truth. You would have the defense of discussing a topic in the public interest. You would
00:27:04.520 have other defenses available. The other duplicative thing, and this is really interesting,
00:27:11.800 the criminal code already empowers judges to impose a more severe penalty if the judge has reviewed
00:27:21.320 the facts and has looked into it. If the judge is sentencing somebody for murder or assault or vandalism
00:27:31.320 or any other crime, if the judge determines that that crime was motivated by hatred, the judge already
00:27:39.320 has the authority to impose a stronger sentence. Now, I'll give you an example. If there's a bunch of
00:27:47.560 idiot thugs who very mindlessly put a bunch of graffiti on the wall, on the outside wall of a 1.00
00:27:54.040 synagogue, but they don't really care where they're doing it and they're just using any old wall, 1.00
00:27:58.920 they're guilty of vandalism, property destruction, which is a criminal code offense.
00:28:03.080 However, if they're painting swastikas and slogans like death to the Jews on the synagogue wall,
00:28:11.160 they could get a more severe punishment because that would be a hate crime. So the judges already 0.54
00:28:17.000 have the authority that if a crime, property damage, murder, assault, whatever, if a crime is motivated by
00:28:23.560 hate, the judge can impose a more severe sentence. That's already on the books. And this gets back to this
00:28:29.880 grandstanding of, you know, oh, well, now we need a standalone hate crime. No. It's one thing to
00:28:37.080 have a stiffer penalty where there is evidence that the crime was motivated by hate, but you have to
00:28:42.920 actually be found guilty of doing something criminal. Of that other crime, of the underlying crime.
00:28:48.280 And then you can get a higher penalty. But a standalone hate crime is, it's just Orwellian.
00:28:55.000 Yeah. I want to ask you about the thing that I'm actually worried about from a practical point of
00:28:59.160 view here at Rebel News. You talked about the slippery definition of social media and I had
00:29:03.240 frankly never thought of that before. The criminal code provisions, I think that they'll probably go
00:29:08.440 after egregious cases. I think a lot of them will be stayed. I think for the first few years, police
00:29:14.120 and prosecutors, while they figure it out, they'll probably overcharge and then, you know, maybe abandon
00:29:19.640 in certain cases. I'm not worried in an extremely acute way about the criminal side for me and Rebel
00:29:26.360 News. What I am absolutely worried about is the Canadian Human Rights Act changes, which I don't
00:29:34.520 know if you remember, but about a dozen years ago, Stephen Harper repealed the hate speech provision in
00:29:39.560 part based on the experience that myself and Mark Stein went through being prosecuted for human rights
00:29:45.800 offenses for hate speech. In my case, it was for publishing the Danish cartoons of Mohammed.
00:29:50.040 Those are back now, but there's a wrinkle. Anyone who files a complaint under the Human Rights Act,
00:29:56.440 and so you don't need to be a policeman, you don't need to be a prosecutor, just any person,
00:30:00.840 you don't even have to be a Canadian citizen, any person can file a complaint. And for, you know,
00:30:07.400 let's say we did an article criticizing a transgender swimmer in a girl's change room.
00:30:12.040 If that can foment hatred against a trans person, I don't know, could be, I suppose. Well, then we have
00:30:19.800 to pay the complainant $20,000, up to $20,000, and we have to pay the government up to $50,000. So it's
00:30:26.200 a $70,000 hit per incident. But the crazy, so first of all, you're stimulating a whole cottage industry
00:30:33.160 of complainers. You're basically saying you don't have to just shout into the wind or heckle on Twitter.
00:30:38.840 You can make money off this. You can file a complaint every day. And if even only one in
00:30:43.880 ten of your complaints comes true, you've got yourself a six-figure living. But here's the
00:30:48.280 insane part, John, and it's so scary to me, and I don't think this has got enough attention.
00:30:53.720 You can make these complaints in secret. Your identity can be withheld from the person you're
00:30:59.560 complaining against. And if you find it out anyways, he can be hit with a court order not to
00:31:04.840 tell anyone who you are. So you can have secret grudges by rivals, by competitors, by spurned
00:31:11.640 exes, by professional activists, by rival political parties. You can be hit with hundreds,
00:31:19.960 why not thousands, of nuisance complaints. You'll never know who they are. You'll have to pay each
00:31:25.960 one of them up to 20 grand if you lose. That's how they're going to kill Rebel News, in my view.
00:31:32.280 Not through a state prosecution for a crime. I don't think they'd win. But by unleashing a thousand
00:31:39.000 woke complainers just to bury us under paperwork. I think that's the future here.
00:31:43.880 Well, I agree with you, unfortunately. I wish I could disagree. If this bill passes,
00:31:51.720 an atheist in Vancouver can file a human rights complaint against a Christian lady in Halifax who
00:31:59.000 makes derogatory comments about a mosque in Toronto, even if the members of the mosque in Toronto are not
00:32:04.360 offended by what she said. So it's all traditionally in law, both on the criminal side and the civil side,
00:32:11.000 you have a victim or you have a plaintiff who has suffered damage.
00:32:14.600 You need standing. You need a reason to go to court. It's not for busybodies. There's a phrase in
00:32:19.640 law, an officious intermeddler. You can't be a meddler. You can't be a busybody. You don't get to
00:32:26.120 go to court just because you want to pick a fight with someone. You need standing. This bill lets
00:32:31.000 anyone complain about anyone and stay secret. Well, the chilling effect on, I'm sure you've covered this
00:32:38.040 to a great deal. But the chilling effect is horrendous. Many Canadians, including you and
00:32:44.680 I and many others, will just continue to speak the way that we always have and we will state our
00:32:48.920 opinions. But a lot of people are going to suffer from this chilling effect. Because right now,
00:32:54.840 let's say that you made some very vociferous, very aggressive and even unfair
00:32:59.720 criticisms against Islam. And you cited certain passages of the Quran and you said, you know,
00:33:05.800 that you said that the Quran was advocating murder or whatever. So you make all these anti-Islamic
00:33:12.680 comments. You're probably not, you're not that likely to get criminally prosecuted. In fact,
00:33:20.280 there's a defense there of expressing an opinion based on a sincere belief on a religious text.
00:33:26.200 So, but with the human rights thing, it's a totally different ball game because the
00:33:33.320 prosecutor only needs to prove on the balance of probability. You don't need a victim who suffered
00:33:38.520 harm. It can be an anonymous, busy body. And, you know, as you wrote so eloquently in your book,
00:33:46.440 Shakedown, a number of years ago, which I enjoyed reading, when you go to a lawyer, he's probably going
00:33:52.280 to tell you, you know what, don't bother spending $50,000 on a legal defense. Just write the $5,000
00:33:58.920 check, issue an apology and get on with your life. That is a chilling effect. And so people are,
00:34:04.680 a lot of people are just not going to speak freely. And that's how, uh, freedom of expression dies,
00:34:10.920 uh, a slow, quiet death. Yeah.
00:34:14.360 Self-censorship.
00:34:15.160 We could talk about this for hours. I mean, I, I went on for two and a half hours yesterday,
00:34:19.400 and Marty joined us, Marty from your shop at the JCCF. I think that the liberal government is
00:34:24.840 deadly serious about this. This is their third internet regulation bill in a year, C11, C18.
00:34:31.880 Now this one, C63. The justice minister actually had his title changed. I don't know if you caught
00:34:37.720 that, John. He's now the justice minister, attorney general, and minister of state for online harms.
00:34:45.000 It's literally added to his title. There's hundreds of laws on the book, hundreds of sections of the
00:34:50.680 criminal code. The only one that's in his job title is online harms. This is the most important bill
00:34:55.800 in their minds. It's one of three censorship laws. They've obviously cut a deal with the NDP. They're
00:35:01.560 going to fast track through parliament. This is their last gasp, their Hail Mary pass. And it's the,
00:35:09.160 it's the battle of Armageddon. This is the final battle, I think, John. And, and I think rebel news,
00:35:14.040 whether we want to or not, it's going to be the pointy ends of that spear. Because I just,
00:35:19.160 I can't imagine we wouldn't be hit with these provisions, one of the first people in the country.
00:35:25.320 I just think, I just think that they think of us when they think of who they target. Maybe that's
00:35:30.600 a little bit of narcissism on my part to think we're more important than we are. But we've been hit
00:35:35.160 with so many of these nuisance actions before. Trudeau personally attacks us. His cabinet
00:35:41.160 personally attacks us. We are looming large on their radar screen. I cannot imagine a future
00:35:47.640 where they don't come at us. I just don't think that would ever happen. We will be thrust into
00:35:52.680 this fight. And so we should prepare for it now. Last word to you, John.
00:35:57.400 Well, the only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
00:36:01.480 So Canadians need to roll up their sleeves, contact their federal MP, especially if you're,
00:36:07.800 and we are, I am strictly nonpartisan, but just from a political tactics and strategy viewpoint,
00:36:13.800 particularly if, if your member of parliament is, is liberal or NDP and is planning to vote in favor
00:36:19.160 of this, that's all the more reason to contact them because MPs do take into account the number of
00:36:25.240 emails and phone calls that they are getting. So people, uh, need to be, uh, active and actively
00:36:31.160 involved in the democratic process. And, uh, ultimately at the end of the day, it's, it's,
00:36:35.800 it's we as citizens, assuming our responsibilities as citizens to be fully engaged in the democratic
00:36:41.400 process. That's going to win the war, uh, for freedom and justice and truth.
00:36:45.960 John, keep up the fight out there. We're glad you're on this file.
00:36:49.720 Great talking with you, Ezra.
00:36:50.760 All right. You too. There you have it. John Carpe,
00:36:53.320 the boss of the justice center for constitutional freedom. Stay with us more ahead.
00:37:09.800 Hey, welcome back to your letters to me. James Friesen said,
00:37:12.600 this needs to be challenged in court immediately if it passes. Yeah. As I, as I said a little bit
00:37:17.560 early in the show, you can't sue yet because it's not enforced yet. Uh, even once it's proclaimed as
00:37:23.160 law, they have to set up those 300 killer censorship agencies. It will probably be months, maybe even 0.79
00:37:29.320 a year, but we want to get ready now. Hobbes says, surely Trudeau's vilification of the truckers
00:37:36.040 and unvaccinated has caused hatred towards them by some. I wonder if he will hold himself to his own
00:37:41.000 party standards. Well, that's the thing. It's like Lavrenti Beria said in the Soviet Union,
00:37:45.400 show me the man. I'll find you the crime. Everyone is guilty of this law. Everyone in
00:37:50.280 the country is. You, you've never felt the feeling of hate in your heart. If so, you're not a normal
00:37:55.720 human. Every human feels love and hate, contempt and respect, happiness and sorrow. That's part of
00:38:01.720 a full personality. Being a grownup, we don't act out. We don't like a two year old might smash things
00:38:07.000 if he's full of anger. Um, when you're 22 or 52, hopefully you're more restrained and more
00:38:12.360 constructive and a social, you know, you're sociable and you're a good part of society.
00:38:17.880 But this is about regulating feelings. Every single person has some hate in their heart. We're not
00:38:23.640 saints. We're sinners. And what this does is it criminalizes a feeling, not a real damage. Like if
00:38:30.840 someone stabs you or steals from you or smashes you, that's real damage and you've suffered a real loss.
00:38:36.600 But if someone has a feeling in their heart towards you, how is that a crime? Well, this law makes
00:38:41.400 it a crime. CS says Canada's MAID program clearly violates one of those provisions.
00:38:47.480 It is amazing how the importance of mental health is stressed here, yet ignored when it comes to the
00:38:51.560 pronoun gang and their confused sexuality. You know, I don't, I don't know how closely the MAID issue is
00:38:58.920 linked to the censorship issue. I just don't, I'm not seeing that very clearly right now. But I think
00:39:05.000 this touches on pretty much anyone who's contrarians. Pierre Pauliev was pretty close to the mark
00:39:10.200 when he said hate speech is just speech that Trudeau hates. And that gets back to that
00:39:14.200 Lavrenti-Berry. You know who I'm talking about, the secret policeman under Stalin.
00:39:20.520 This law gives them the power to arrest anyone. And theoretically, God forbid, put them in jail for life.
00:39:26.680 Because every single human being is guilty of having some hate in their heart.
00:39:31.720 And this law says that is enough to put you away.
00:39:36.360 Well, that's our show for today. Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters,
00:39:40.920 to you at home, good night. And keep fighting for freedom.
00:39:43.320 And keep fighting for freedom.