Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Trudeau says he will implement the most radical pro-Islam agenda in a non-Muslim country

00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. I take you through a document put together by the National Council of Canadian

00:00:04.400 Muslims, their demands for an upcoming anti-Islamophobia summit. And I'm worried about them because 1.00

00:00:10.440 they don't really focus on how we can all get along as a society. They focus more about

00:00:15.500 demonizing people they don't like, censoring people they don't like, and just as troubling,

00:00:20.780 taking powers and independence away from the actual border guards and security that keep

00:00:27.240 our country safe. Why would you call for that? I'll get into it and Justin Trudeau's response.

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00:00:57.240 Tonight, Justin Trudeau says he will implement the most radical pro-Islam agenda in a non-Muslim 1.00

00:01:18.340 country. It's July 20th and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:22.080 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:27.820 There's 8,500 customers here and you won't give them an answer.

00:01:31.880 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my bloody

00:01:36.760 right to do so.

00:01:42.740 Another Christian church was torched. I don't know the total count of churches burnt or

00:01:50.080 vandalized in the past few months. I think our friends at True North actually have a map they're

00:01:55.700 making. Last I checked, it was 43 churches. So I suppose this makes 44.

00:02:02.900 The church that was targeted had Christians from the Middle East, Coptic Christians, who along with

00:02:09.600 other Christians from that region, Chaldean Christians, Syriac Christians, Assyrian Christians,

00:02:16.780 are ancient Christians almost dating back to Jesus' time. It was a Christian land once,

00:02:24.500 the plains of Nineveh. You remember that from your Bible. It's not a Christian place anymore 1.00

00:02:29.560 and Copts are a small minority in what was once the Christian country of Egypt. Many of them flee to

00:02:37.080 Canada and other places in the West to escape this very thing. And in Canada now, their church 0.99

00:02:44.780 is torched. Not a word from our prime minister, though. I should point out that Egypt's Muslim

00:02:52.520 president, al-Sisi, when a Coptic Christian church was bombed recently, went to that church in solidarity.

00:03:01.560 The Muslim president of Egypt went to a Coptic Christian church in solidarity. And our prime

00:03:08.920 minister doesn't have a word to say as we come upon four dozen churches that have been torched

00:03:16.200 or vandalized. But there's other hate that fits with Trudeau's narrative. We're on the eve of an

00:03:23.060 anti-Semitism conference. I think that's probably a good idea because anti-Semitism is growing across 1.00

00:03:29.940 the West. It's growing particularly within Justin Trudeau's own party. But I noticed that the only

00:03:35.900 Jewish leader of a political party in Canada, Annamie Paul is her name, the leader of the Green

00:03:41.940 Party, was not allowed to attend. Justin Trudeau has brought all his liberal friends, some of whom

00:03:49.380 are in Parliament, many of whom are not. They're invited, but Trudeau certainly doesn't like this

00:03:55.120 Annamie Paul, which tells me maybe I like her a little bit more than I normally would.

00:03:59.360 And of course, the big project is an anti-Islamophobia summit. This is going to be interesting because

00:04:08.000 there's a difference between being critical of Islam, the religion, and being critical of Muslims

00:04:14.480 discriminating against ordinary Muslims. And I think it's a very important distinction. Islam, the 1.00

00:04:21.060 religion, the philosophy, political Islam, these are all ideas. And of course, every idea ought to be

00:04:28.340 able to be criticized, at least in a free country. And the problem with Islamophobia, the word as it's

00:04:35.240 become implemented in politics, is that it scoops up any opposition to Islam's expression, either

00:04:43.920 religiously or politically or even through political violence. And it calls that anti-Islam hatred on par

00:04:52.600 with hating an individual, discriminating against an individual. I'm worried about this anti-Islamophobia

00:04:59.620 summit for that very reason. I don't support discriminating against people or picking on people,

00:05:05.460 let alone violence on people based on religion. I certainly don't oppose that. But I'm worried that

00:05:10.940 this will actually become a backdoor to re-implementing a blasphemy law in Canada, and not just for attacks on,

00:05:19.440 oh, let's say, the Danish cartoons of Mohammed, where I was hauled before a human rights commission

00:05:24.680 a dozen years ago. But any criticism of Islamification in the public square, any criticism of the treatment

00:05:31.820 of women in Islam, I'm worried that those subjects will now be called Islamophobic and will be targeted

00:05:38.080 with the full force of the law. And on the eve of that summit, a group called the NCCM, the National

00:05:44.460 Council of Canadian Muslims, has released nearly 100 pages of recommendations for all levels of

00:05:52.540 government, and indeed much of non-governmental society, that would transform Canada into an

00:05:58.720 anti-Islamophobic state, giving it more political and police tools than even a country like, oh, say,

00:06:07.200 Pakistan would, to hunt down anything judged to be critical of Islam. That's my worry. 1.00

00:06:15.260 The group, NCCM, formerly was called CARECAN, the Canadian branch of CARE, Council of American

00:06:22.240 Islamic Relations, a group that a U.S. judge once said was linked to the Muslim Brotherhood.

00:06:28.560 Justin Trudeau was asked about these policy recommendations by the NCCM. He was asked if he

00:06:35.080 would adopt them. I'm not sure if he's actually read them, but he said he will move forward on

00:06:40.860 them. Here's what he said today.

00:06:42.300 There is much we need to do, and I know the National Council of Muslim Canadians have put forward

00:06:47.040 a list of recommendations that we're going to be talking about later this week, and we're going

00:06:52.480 to move forward on.

00:06:54.040 Now, it's always good to be skeptical of Trudeau's promises. I mean, he promised that his top priority

00:06:59.780 was getting Indian reserves in Canada clean drinking water six years into his term, and

00:07:05.220 he hasn't done so. So that's a bit of a relief. I also remember that Trudeau said he would implement

00:07:11.120 all the policies recommended in the Truth and Reconciliation Commission for First Nations.

00:07:17.620 Of course, he hasn't done that either. But by giving his moral approval of them, he allows

00:07:23.100 others within government and society to proceed.

00:07:25.560 I want to take you through some of the most dangerous ideas in the NCCM's policy book to

00:07:32.660 show you how radical they are, to show you what anti-Islamophobia means today, and to

00:07:38.920 show you what Trudeau has said he supports. I'm just going to pull about a dozen of them

00:07:43.800 at random. They want the government to, quote, commit to introducing a social media regulator

00:07:51.080 with a special focus on ensuring that civil liberties are protected.

00:07:55.820 What? Either you're regulating social media or you're protecting civil liberties. You can't do

00:08:03.140 both. But I know what the NCCM means. They want Stephen Gilbeau to regulate the internet

00:08:08.780 and to kill freedom of speech or what's left of it. I'll read some more.

00:08:14.320 The NCCM demands an investigation into whether national security agencies have unduly deprioritized

00:08:23.860 the study of white supremacist groups. Specifically, such a study could point towards disparities

00:08:30.020 in resources and funding having been put towards surveilling indigenous, black, and Muslim communities

00:08:36.480 in contrast to white supremacist groups in Canada. There's a bit of a theme in the NCCM document.

00:08:42.960 What they like is censorship of critical views. And what they hate are all the instruments of the

00:08:50.460 state that guard against terrorism. It's quite something. The NCCM, you might actually be forgiven

00:08:57.860 for thinking they want to reduce our scrutiny of terrorism and replace it with a new boogeyman,

00:09:05.500 as if we haven't had a spate of Islamic-motivated terrorism in this country, including in parliament

00:09:12.580 itself. Let me give you an example. They want to establish dedicated prosecutorial units for

00:09:18.780 prosecuting hate-motivated crimes. And what they mean by that is anyone who hates Islam. I have some

00:09:27.080 friends who hate Islam. They're Muslim. Will they be prosecuted? And this is my point. 0.97

00:09:32.840 If there is discrimination against a Muslim person, if a Muslim person is assaulted, whether it's because

00:09:40.740 they're Muslim or just assaulted, it's a regular crime, we've all got to stand against that. We've 1.00

00:09:45.900 all got to be against that. But if the crime that's being invented here is someone who's skeptical of

00:09:52.060 Islam or critical of Islam, then we're not protecting individuals anymore. Now we're protecting an ideology.

00:09:59.200 And hate, of course, it's a human emotion. Hate itself can never be a crime. And what I'm worried

00:10:05.980 about here is that the NCCM and Justin Trudeau and his justice minister and the rest of his cabinet

00:10:10.520 want to move away from our Canadian tradition of being skeptical and being allowed to criticize any

00:10:17.040 and all religions to protecting one particular religion and also to prosecute its critics.

00:10:23.980 We'll keep reading. Remove the requirement for attorney general's consent. The attorney general's

00:10:30.440 consent is currently required to begin any prosecution for the willful promotion of hatred

00:10:35.160 and genocide. This is a uniquely high bar that should be abolished. The same should go for any future

00:10:41.060 freestanding provisions around hate-motivated crimes. I said that emotions should never be criminalized,

00:10:48.040 but of course our criminal code does criminalize promoting hatred against an identifiable group.

00:10:53.560 Now I say again, I'm against promoting hateful hatred against an identifiable group. I don't like that in our

00:10:59.240 criminal code. I think emotions should not be legislated. Actions should be. But at least that criminal code

00:11:06.920 provision requires the attorney general to review the case and personally approve the prosecution.

00:11:12.560 That's not much of a limiting force, but it does mean that no individual prosecutor or cop can go around

00:11:21.580 laying charges for such an extreme political offenses. It recognizes that prosecuting someone for

00:11:28.620 feelings or hate crimes is inherently political and so it makes the government of the day own that

00:11:34.520 prosecution. The NCCM obviously wants more prosecutions and they think that they can find some cops or some

00:11:41.880 prosecutors to do it much more casually than the justice minister. And I think they're right.

00:11:47.500 And I'm worried that Trudeau says he's going to move on these issues. I'll keep reading.

00:11:51.700 The potential introduction of a public interest-based defamation fund for Canadians who were smeared on the basis of

00:11:59.100 hate. What? Defamation, I'm familiar with it because of course we give and we receive it here at Rebel News in the

00:12:07.320 Courts. Defamation is a civil suit where if there's someone who has said something really mean about you,

00:12:14.600 you can hire a lawyer, go to court and protect your reputation. If you win, you'll get money. If you lose,

00:12:20.500 you'll have to pay the other side. The NCCM obviously wants to go around hunting their enemies,

00:12:26.940 but they either don't think they can find a lawyer to do it on contingency or they don't think they can

00:12:31.440 crowdfunded or they basically want you and me to pay lawyers to hunt down any of their enemies. I've

00:12:38.260 never seen anything so bizarre in my life. This next one here, they use the word CVE. That stands for

00:12:44.680 countering violent extremism, but look what they mean by that. Until there is a coherent set of

00:12:50.460 policies enshrined to prevent the profiling and mass surveillance of our communities, pause the mandated

00:12:56.720 countering violent extremism programs at the federal level and require Public Safety Canada

00:13:02.560 to develop out a new program in consultation with racialized communities for broader public safety.

00:13:09.100 Boy, that's a lot of words saying stop looking for terrorists. Just shut it all down until we can

00:13:15.560 figure out what's up. Does that really promote Muslims? Does that really serve the interests of

00:13:21.940 ordinary Muslims in the Canadian community? Or is that a very specific rocket fired at our counterterrorism

00:13:31.100 police? It's a very strange thing to bundle up in anti-Islamophobia. If you're afraid of terrorists,

00:13:38.560 you're afraid of terrorists, whether they're Sikh or Tamil or Muslim. But here the NCCM says

00:13:45.320 it's Islamophobic to be tracking and hunting for terrorists. I don't think that's right.

00:13:51.340 So surveil your enemies. They want the entire social media regulated. They want the ability to

00:13:58.720 prosecute and sue in civil court ordinary Canadians, but they want the surveillance of

00:14:05.380 possible terrorists nipped in the bud. They also really, really hate Revenue Canada, but not for the

00:14:12.340 reasons you and I might. They hate the fact that Revenue Canada scrutinizes charities that have been found to

00:14:18.680 give money to terrorist groups overseas. CRA reform. Suspend the Canada Revenue Agency's review and

00:14:26.380 analysis division pending review of Canada's risk-based assessment model and its national

00:14:32.320 strategy to combat extremism and radicalization. You want to stop that? You want to stop that?

00:14:40.320 Do you see what I mean? Do you see why I'm worried that anti-Islamophobia isn't about stopping people

00:14:45.520 from picking on Muslims? It's about stopping the government for protecting Canada either against

00:14:51.920 terrorists or terrorist fundraising, and it's about stopping people who have legitimate criticisms

00:14:57.260 of political Islam or, frankly, religious Islam. I'll keep reading. Suspend discretionary use of 0.99

00:15:03.600 revocation power where anti-terrorism financing or counter-radicalization policies inform the audit.

00:15:09.080 So you don't want charities to be revoked if they're found to be supporting radicalization? Who's that

00:15:16.720 are you on? Enhanced transparency between the CRA's charities directorate and charities audited under

00:15:23.240 suspicion of terrorism financing and or radicalization. So they want the anti-terrorism police to have to

00:15:30.100 share more with the terrorist link groups they're defunding. They want to know what our police know.

00:15:35.640 Provide anti-bias training and greater guidance to government officers and regularly assess whether

00:15:41.940 their discretionary decisions are biased based on race or religious affiliation. They go on and on

00:15:50.280 about the Canadian border guards. This whole section establish a new oversight body specifically

00:15:56.160 for the CBSA, that's the Border Security Agency.

00:15:59.940 If your focus is everyday life, people who don't like Muslims, why are you having so many of your 0.95

00:16:09.520 proposals focused on reining in the guise who are supposed to keep out foreign terrorists? What's

00:16:15.420 that even got to do with the case of Canadian Muslims? I don't think this is a good faith 1.00

00:16:19.840 recommendation. I'll keep reading.

00:16:20.860 Media representation. Incentivize production of Muslim stories told by Canadian Muslims through

00:16:28.580 designated funding in the Canada Media Fund, Telefilm, the National Film Board, and Provincial

00:16:34.380 and Municipal Grants for Arts and Media. Could you imagine if someone proposed doing that for,

00:16:41.120 I don't know, Christian media? The government should give money to have Christian TV, radio,

00:16:49.020 movies, movies, arts. It's incredible, but Trudeau says he's going to move forward with it.

00:16:55.500 Global Affairs Canada commits to challenging Islamophobia globally. You know, there's more

00:17:01.560 than 30 countries that are Muslim majority. In fact, the Organization for Islamic Cooperation

00:17:07.460 has over 50 countries. I'm sure there are cases of anti-Muslim bigotry in the world,

00:17:15.300 but actually I think that it's a far more acute issue, the treatment of minorities within the

00:17:21.380 Muslim world, including the treatment of Muslim minorities, such as the Ahmadiyya Muslims or the

00:17:26.660 Ismaili Muslims, who are brutally treated by countries like Saudi Arabia or Pakistan.

00:17:31.940 And then, of course, the Christians in places like Egypt, Pakistan, even in Muslim areas of Nigeria, 0.58

00:17:39.540 Syria and in Syria, Iraq. Provide direction to all agencies to cease the usage of biased and inherently

00:17:48.180 fallacious sources produced by the Islamophobia industry. Now, I don't know what this Islamophobia

00:17:54.500 industry is, but I can guess it's anything focused on the separation of mosque and state or on national

00:18:00.980 security. Legislative change to empower relevant registrars to prevent white supremacist groups from

00:18:08.720 registering as a society. They're going on about white supremacism. I think they call anyone they

00:18:16.400 don't like a white supremacist, even if they're a minority. White supremacist is the go-to accusation

00:18:22.640 by the liberals and the New Democrats and much of the media. I think they're basically saying ban

00:18:28.000 anyone we don't like. Review existing legislation and pass legislation that prohibits violent white 0.52

00:18:36.500 supremacist rallies on provincial property while paying careful attention to ensure the legislation

00:18:41.140 is not overbroad. It does not limit freedom to dissent. What? You know what? Maybe I missed it.

00:18:47.220 Have you seen any violent white supremacist rallies in Canada in your life? I haven't. Maybe I'm not paying

00:18:57.700 enough attention. The thing about rallies is that anyone can have a rally unless they're violent. So white 0.97

00:19:04.900 supremacist or not, if you're violent, shut her down. You don't need to pass a law for that, but it would 0.93

00:19:10.180 be quite weird to pass a law saying certain ideologies are allowed and certain aren't. I think anyone who's

00:19:16.100 violent should be shut down, whether you're anti-Muslim or anti-Christian or anti-black or anti-white. 0.96

00:19:23.060 They have lots of plans for provincial governments too. Extend limitations periods for human rights

00:19:28.420 complaints to five years to take into account the trauma victims face while allowing a claimant to

00:19:34.340 seek an extension to the limitation period if the claimant has extenuating circumstances reasonably

00:19:39.380 demonstrating why they were unable to file a formal human rights complaint within the five-year

00:19:43.300 limitation period. So if you hire someone or have dealings with someone and then you say goodbye,

00:19:49.780 five years later they can come back to you with a human rights complaint. A typical lawsuit has to be

00:19:55.220 filed within two years. They're just trying to whip up grievances. Provinces should conduct regular polls

00:20:03.220 to determine the state of racism and Islamophobia in their particular province and to determine the

00:20:08.420 relevant aspects of Islamophobic sentiment. These people are hunting for things, hunting for grievances,

00:20:15.460 hunting for trouble, and hunting for money. I found this document deeply distressing. First of all,

00:20:21.940 it shows that the leading media go-to source for Islamic content has as its enemy the police and the 0.59

00:20:31.620 surveillance and the border guards who are designed to keep all of us safe, including Canadian Muslims

00:20:37.460 safe from foreign terrorists. So much of their focus is telling police and border guards that they

00:20:43.620 aren't allowed to do their job. They have to be rigorously re-educated. I don't think that that's a real

00:20:49.540 concern for Canadian Muslims. Another, I think, deeply distressing part of this is their focus on

00:20:57.380 shutting up people they don't like. Now they insult people by saying you're a white supremacist. I'm sure

00:21:02.260 there are white supremacists out there. There's lots of black supremacists too, by the way. And I think 0.97

00:21:06.980 there's lots of Muslim supremacists. I think every group has its extremists. And the fact that they're 0.77

00:21:12.740 obsessed with demonizing their critics as white supremacists and then immediately calling for

00:21:18.100 their censorship or them even being banned from having meetings shows that they're deeply illiberal.

00:21:25.620 Like I say, these rules would be more at home in a place like Pakistan or Iran than in a place like 0.76

00:21:31.940 Canada. And for Trudeau to say he's going to move forward on these, I find this distressing.

00:21:36.580 Look, I think it's important that we get along as Canadians, whether you're Christian or Muslim or

00:21:42.020 Jewish or Sikh or Hindu or none of the above. I think this document is not designed to help us get

00:21:49.860 along. It's designed to further the differences, to look for differences, to look for grievances,

00:21:57.140 to encourage grievances, to actually set up a fund for people to sue each other for banning

00:22:03.620 people who have a different point of view and for giving the government enormous power to censor the

00:22:08.980 enemies list of the NCCM. Yeah, it's pretty clear that they are, in fact, a kindred spirit to their

00:22:17.860 U.S. mother group that was said by a U.S. judge to be linked to the Muslim Brotherhood. I find this

00:22:25.220 document distressing, but what's far more distressing is the loving treatment that's getting from the media

00:22:30.420 party. I'm from Trudeau to the liberal party. Stay with us. More ahead.

00:22:46.180 Well, last week was a bit odd. You saw President Joe Biden accuse Facebook of actually killing

00:22:53.540 people. Remember that. Here's a clip. What's your message to platforms like Facebook?

00:23:01.620 They're killing people. I mean, it really, look, the only pandemic we have is among the unvaccinated 1.00

00:23:09.780 and they're killing people. That was odd because, of course, the Democrats and the tech companies

00:23:16.820 are so often in collusion. They work together. There's a revolving door between working in the

00:23:22.340 Democrat Party and working in big tech companies like Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, Google, etc. It's

00:23:28.580 the same up here in Canada. You may not know this because the mainstream media doesn't talk about

00:23:33.300 it a lot, but the boss for Facebook Canada in charge of their policy, including censorship,

00:23:39.620 is a man named Kevin Chan, who is less famous for having worked in the leader's office of the

00:23:45.300 Liberal Party of Canada. They're truly in league with each other. And so it is not much of a surprise

00:23:52.900 that one of the few truly conservative voices in parliament is one of the voices most often

00:23:59.220 censored by big tech. Take a look at this tweet from Twitter. It's a notification from Twitter

00:24:05.940 to Derek Sloan, the MP for Hastings, Lennox and Addington. He made a pretty, you know,

00:24:15.060 uncontroversial comment. I'll just read it in full. The combination of vaccine injuries

00:24:19.380 and the extremely low risk that COVID poses to the young have convinced ministers in the UK to do the

00:24:24.660 right thing. Where is this common sense in Canada? And then there's a link, if you can see. The link is

00:24:31.460 to an underlying story. I believe it was from Reuters, which simply had that information. I don't know

00:24:37.700 if you know this, but Canada is racing towards vaccinating youngsters in the UK. They've held the

00:24:44.500 line. Derek Sloan accurately retweeted that story with a comment of his own. And yet, as you can see,

00:24:52.580 Twitter suspended the MP from his right to speak. So much for freedom of speech. It's not the first time

00:25:00.580 that Derek Sloan is being censored. You might recall about a month ago, he held a press conference

00:25:06.260 in Ottawa, including with physicians who have been silenced and censored for taking a skeptical

00:25:12.500 view of the virus. That video became the number one most watched video of all time for CPAC. That's the

00:25:20.900 cable consortium that broadcast Parliament. Alas, after a few days, that was suspended by YouTube

00:25:28.580 as well. Well, joining us now before he's completely silenced is the MP for Hastings, Lennox and Addington,

00:25:35.620 Derek Sloan, who joins us from his constituency. I tell you, it's almost like people don't want

00:25:41.140 the other side of the story being told. You're being censored almost as much as Rebel News is.

00:25:46.500 Yeah, you're absolutely right. And as you noted, I shared a Reuters article, hardly a far-right extremist

00:25:57.460 site. So yes, it's absurd what we're seeing. Yeah, I mean, let's put up on the screen again,

00:26:03.060 we showed your tweet itself, but we have the larger image of what Twitter said to you.

00:26:07.940 It's like Twitter court just issued a sentence. There was no trial. You had no response. You were

00:26:17.540 allowed. They said, we have determined that this account violated the Twitter rule specifically for

00:26:24.820 violating the policy on spreading misleading and potentially harmful information. But you just

00:26:30.260 linked to a Reuters article. And then they said, for more information on COVID-19, you know,

00:26:35.540 refer to the following links. And they send you to the China-run World Health Organization.

00:26:42.020 So there's no appeal. There's no transparency. Who knows who did that? If it was some of the

00:26:48.100 World Health Organization or some intern at Twitter's head office in California, who knows? But they just

00:26:54.580 censored a member of parliament in Canada. And what are you going to do about it?

00:26:58.420 Well, that's a great, that's a great question. And really, it is a, it really is a bit of a kangaroo

00:27:04.580 court. And my kids found a bunny outside earlier. Your kids are so cute. I just want to ask a few

00:27:14.740 more questions, though. It's great to see the kids. And they're always a delight. But kids, let me talk to

00:27:20.500 your dad for another minute. You know what, it's good to know that life goes on, despite politics

00:27:28.900 and the ugliness of censorship. And I'll let you get back to your family right away. One of the perils

00:27:34.340 of working from home, I've seen crazier. I've seen crazier eruptions and interventions of that.

00:27:40.820 You've got cute kids. Hey, Derek, let me ask you, do you think it only goes one way? I've never seen

00:27:50.260 politicians on the left or media on the left who get things wrong, sometimes extremely wrong.

00:27:56.660 I've never seen them censored or suspended. Maybe it happens, but I've just never seen it.

00:28:02.180 Well, I think you're right. I mean, I can't think of any good example of a left-wing

00:28:06.580 politician getting banned. I remember there were some prominent tweets in the Israel-Palestine

00:28:14.580 events that we had a little while ago by some people that were hearkening back to even

00:28:20.340 talking fondly about Hitler. And they were left-leaning type people, and I don't think they

00:28:24.580 got banned. We're seeing really a political bias in the censorship, which is why I'm so concerned.

00:28:32.740 I mean, you know, censorship generally is troubling, of course, but when it has a political, you know,

00:28:38.740 motive to it, that is extremely troubling. You're right. I mean, just a couple weeks ago,

00:28:44.580 after your initial bout of church arsons in BC, the head of their civil liberties association,

00:28:52.500 Harsha Walia, tweeted, burn it all down. And that tweet is still up there. I mean, she was later,

00:29:00.180 you know, she later was driven out of the BC Civil Liberties Association. She had so discredited them.

00:29:07.220 But that was not done to them by Twitter. I note that, you know, I follow Nicolas Maduro,

00:29:12.020 the tyrant of Venezuela, on Twitter. China has dozens of propaganda accounts on Twitter,

00:29:18.100 many of them verified with a little blue checkmark. The Ayatollah of Iran, Vladimir Putin,

00:29:24.820 they're all on Twitter. But you're kicked off. Donald Trump's banned for life. I think we've got

00:29:29.940 a real problem there. And I think that problem is upstream from politics, because if you can't

00:29:34.980 even communicate your message, how are you ever going to win an election?

00:29:39.780 Yeah, well, you're totally right. And the censorship is getting worse. And we're seeing,

00:29:45.140 you know, in my case, they had a they had a thing there that said, oh, well,

00:29:48.900 you may not have been following local health advice. So, you know, in our case, where our local

00:29:53.940 health advice is different from that in the UK, does that mean I can't even share what they're

00:29:58.500 doing in the UK? I mean, this is this is extreme. And it's bizarre. And we're seeing the liberals,

00:30:04.500 you know, put forward legislation that's going to make this worse.

00:30:07.700 Yeah. And I'm worried that they're going to get a big boost because, of course,

00:30:10.980 the White House seems so adamant. I mean, they're actually naming,

00:30:14.020 they're listing 12 enemies of the truth and demanding that Facebook censor 12 people.

00:30:19.860 Like, that's how specific they're getting. I find it terrifying. Now, I remember when we spoke

00:30:25.300 a little while back and I was asking you what your plans were, because you were formally kicked out

00:30:31.860 and banned from running as a conservative. You ran and won as a conservative MP. You ran and placed

00:30:39.380 well in the conservative party leadership. And I think it's pretty much universally accepted.

00:30:44.020 But you were thrown out of the party with trumped up charges because you accepted some

00:30:49.380 small donation from an anonymous from someone who was hiding their real name that no one ever heard

00:30:54.180 of that the party. It's like it was just such a cooked up excuse. They wanted to get rid of you.

00:30:59.380 And back then, we didn't quite know what you were up to. If I understand correctly,

00:31:04.260 you've decided to run again as an independent. Is that right?

00:31:08.020 So I'm going to be running again. I'm also creating, I'm also going to be touring across

00:31:14.500 the country. I believe that, you know, parties and these kinds of things come secondary to

00:31:19.220 political movements. And I am actively recruiting a liberty slate of candidates to run in Canada.

00:31:26.180 Now, there are a few good conservatives that I like. There's obviously some PPC candidates.

00:31:33.380 But I'm going to do everything I can to ensure there's a solid, common sense candidate with

00:31:39.060 integrity in every riding in the country. And I'll be out in Alberta actually very soon. So I want your

00:31:44.900 followers out there to stay tuned. I'm going to be doing a tour in Alberta to try and save this great

00:31:50.580 country that we have. All right. Well, let me ask a few questions about what that means. I mean,

00:31:55.380 I know what a party is. It has a certain structure. And importantly, it allows the issuance of tax

00:32:03.220 receipts. In fact, extremely generous tax credits, more even than a regular charity, if I'm not mistaken.

00:32:08.900 It also allows that party to be affixed to the candidate's name on a ballot. So there's some

00:32:16.100 real benefits that come from being a party. You use the word slate. I don't know if that has any

00:32:23.940 legal meaning. It's just a group of people. Would these people just all be independents? Or,

00:32:29.780 as you mentioned, would some of them be PPC? How does this overlap with what Maxime Bernier's party

00:32:35.380 is doing? You mentioned Conservatives. Would any Conservative Party of Canada person be on the

00:32:41.460 slate? Help me understand what you mean. Well, I want to ensure that there is a

00:32:47.060 candidate worth voting for in every single riding in the country. Now, you mentioned different

00:32:52.260 organizational things. In the long run, all of those options are on the table and I'm actively

00:32:58.740 looking at several of them. I want to make sure that if an election is called in August,

00:33:04.180 as some of the rumors say, that in as large a portion of the country as possible, there is a

00:33:10.180 candidate worth voting for. So there are different, you know, in some cases that might be a Conservative.

00:33:16.420 In many cases, it won't be. But this is the type of thing that I want to make sure is in place

00:33:22.100 in the event of an early election. You know what? I see a lot of, not a lot,

00:33:28.980 I see a number of people who are skeptics about the lockdown, who are voices for what I would call

00:33:35.300 freedom or liberty. But there's a disunity there, a splittism. I see it provincially in Ontario. I see

00:33:42.660 it provincially in Alberta, where they're creating more parties. And I get it. People have their

00:33:48.500 particular vision. But the left calls that splittism. And you split the right so many times,

00:33:56.740 you're going to really guarantee the other guys win. I mean, I know that in your own riding, you

00:34:01.220 you beat the Liberal by about four or five percent last time. So, I mean, it's going to be an uphill

00:34:06.420 battle for you to collect the majority of the votes. How do you overcome that splittism? Not just you, 0.97

00:34:13.060 but how does the liberty, what remains of the liberty movement? How, you know, provincially in

00:34:17.300 Ontario, you got Roman Baber, you got Randy Hillier, you got Jim and Belinda Karahelios. And they each

00:34:23.780 sort of feel to me like they want to be the boss. I don't know. I just, I feel like cobbling together

00:34:29.940 some sort of unified movement is necessary. But I don't know if I see it happening,

00:34:34.980 certainly not in time for the next election. Am I wrong? Am I in my hunch?

00:34:38.500 Well, unity is always imperative. And, and it's incumbent upon all of us to work towards that.

00:34:46.580 I do think, though, that no matter what happens, we need to make sure that we have a reasonable

00:34:52.500 alternative that's ready. And, you know, as far as I'm concerned, the Conservative Party as a structure,

00:34:58.740 there are a few MPs that I would still endorse, but as a structure is not a capable of winning. And

00:35:05.620 even if by some miracle they did, our country would not be way better off than it is now. It's

00:35:11.380 the same policies, just not quite as extreme as the Liberals. So we need to have a true Canadian

00:35:16.740 alternative. And at this point in the game, with an election looming, it could be, you know,

00:35:22.340 several groups of people working together. And you mentioned a few of them. But we need to make

00:35:26.900 sure that all hands are on deck. And as far as I'm concerned, I'm, I'm hoping to unify

00:35:32.020 the movement along with others. But I do also believe that, you know, even if we had several

00:35:38.820 options, only one of them will win the hearts and minds of Canadians. And hopefully, we can come

00:35:46.260 together as a group and, and win the hearts and minds of Canadians united. But I do think it is

00:35:51.780 possible. Yeah. You know what, I just have one more comment. I don't want to come across as a

00:35:56.100 naysayer. I, I regard myself as a fan of yours. I believe you're strong in policy. I think you're

00:36:02.900 an excellent communicator. I think the attacks on you both in the media and by the conservative

00:36:08.500 party were trumped up. But I do have a real question that I would put to anyone who says

00:36:13.460 what you say. And that is, I happened to, when I was a young man, so many years ago in the 20th

00:36:18.500 century, I saw Preston Manning build a party from scratch. Three, and now there's 338 ridings,

00:36:26.100 like just to travel to 10 provinces and three territories, just to vet the candidates. Preston

00:36:34.900 was on the road 200 plus days a year. And it was hard work building the people infrastructure. I mean,

00:36:43.780 I guess it's a little bit different these days with the internet, but you still have to find good

00:36:47.620 people, good candidates, good door knockers, good donors. It's just such an enormous job. I,

00:36:52.820 I wonder how much of a dent you'll be able to make in it before the next election. And I,

00:36:57.060 I don't mean to come across as, as pulling down what you're saying. I just, I just remember the last

00:37:02.740 guy who built a national political force. And by the way, it ran out of steam before it finished its work.

00:37:09.780 And it was a, it was a 10 year project for Preston Manning. It was more than that.

00:37:13.140 Preston Manning Well, you know what, I don't, I don't intend

00:37:17.140 to say that I'm going to do it by myself. And there's other, there's other groups that have

00:37:20.500 already laid the foundations. And of course, even this past year of the liberty movement,

00:37:25.540 working in, in a, in its own way has, has been laying the seeds. But I do think that

00:37:31.860 more than ever, Canadians are looking and hoping for a alternative to what we have. And I hope to

00:37:40.900 be able to bring it. And I'm not saying I'm bringing it on my own or, or, or apart from other

00:37:45.220 people. I think the work that Maxine Bernier and others are doing is great. And I hope to work

00:37:50.340 together with all the different groups that have been pushing for liberty and, and these types of

00:37:56.260 things and bring them together, but also mold that into a political solution. And the people's

00:38:01.940 party is part of that. But I think that we have to bring everybody together.

00:38:05.540 You know, I'll argue against myself for a minute, because I feel like I've been too negative.

00:38:10.580 Donald Trump showed that you could create a political infrastructure in a very short period of

00:38:15.140 time. If you have excellence, an excellent and resonant message. And I would also say that things

00:38:20.740 are so desperately bad in Canada, with a total, total failure of all institutions, governments and

00:38:26.580 oppositions, courts, lawyers, professors, popular culture, there's a total void on so many of these

00:38:35.700 key issues. So I think that, I suppose there is a chance out there, we'll certainly be following it,

00:38:41.380 we'll be watching you. We'll be watching you in your riding of Hastings and Addington, excuse me,

00:38:48.340 that's the old name for the riding. And listen, it's great to see you fighting out there. And I'm

00:38:53.060 sure no matter what happens, if it's a new party or your own riding or some new entity, I'm sure it'll

00:38:57.940 be worth following. And I appreciate you giving us an update. Well, I appreciate it. And all I can say is

00:39:03.620 whether we succeed or fail, someone must try. And I've dedicated my work in politics right now to saving

00:39:11.700 this country with whoever wants to join me. And there's many good people out there, and I meet them all

00:39:16.580 the time. And I'm just so thankful to see so many people on the ground. And the work that you're

00:39:21.300 doing at Rebel is part of it as well. So thank you so much. Well, right on. What's the website that

00:39:26.100 people can find out more, or let's say someone's watching this and they want to meet up with you

00:39:30.340 out west or electronically? Is there a website they should go to? If they can go to www.derricksloan.ca,

00:39:39.140 sign up for my emails, and you'll get briefed on all that's going on out there. All right. Well,

00:39:43.780 great to see you again. And great to see your kids again. They're a hoot. And it sounds like

00:39:47.620 they're living a normal life as best they can in these crazy times. Nice to see you again, Derek.

00:39:52.740 Thanks so much. Talk to you soon. Right on. There you have a Derek Sloan,

00:39:55.780 the MP for Hastings, Lennox, and Addington. I did get that name right. There used to be a

00:40:01.220 Frontenac in there too, in the olden days. And he joined us from his writing by Skype. Stay with us more ahead.

00:40:13.780 Hey, welcome back on my show last night. Change rights. No vax passports. Stay strong, everyone. 0.99

00:40:27.700 Well, we'll have to see how that goes down. As I said, I'm looking for a litigation case where we

00:40:32.900 find a very sympathetic client, say someone with a medical reason they can't take a vax,

00:40:39.220 and a very unsympathetic company or school or other institution. And to find a sympathetic client

00:40:46.740 in a badly behaved institution, that is a perfect civil liberties storm. And we need a perfect case,

00:40:52.820 because so far judges have turned down almost every challenge to lockdown legislation in this country.

00:40:59.380 On my interview with Ryan Hartwig, Loretta writes,

00:41:01.620 Yeah, you know, it's incredible. Facebook has really set itself up as the Supreme Court for the

00:41:16.260 world. But they're not applying our liberal standards of law. And of course, their rulings are done

00:41:21.540 secretly. I thought if you're referring to that Scandinavian censorship boss, it was very chilling

00:41:27.140 just how blasé he was about, oh yeah, we have a list of people that you can't talk about. You can't

00:41:31.940 even say their name unless you're attacking them. And I haven't seen the list, but I trust that it's

00:41:37.300 fair. And there's really no way to get off the list while you're on the list. And we're your new overlords.

00:41:42.580 So bend the knee. I find it terrifying. What's even more terrifying is that Joe Biden has said Facebook's

00:41:50.260 not going far enough. He's demanding that they nuke 12 specific people on Facebook and Instagram

00:41:57.780 that Joe Biden says are saying the wrong thing. And the deputy press secretary

00:42:04.020 specifically said conservatives need to be cracked down on. I think we're in for dark days. We'll do our

00:42:08.980 best here at Rebel News. Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here, to you at home, good night.

00:42:14.420 Keep fighting for free.

Rebel News Podcast - July 21, 2021

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