Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Trudeau the Terrible can't stand Trump's humour

00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. I want to share with you my theory about why Trump's jibes and jokes and

00:00:05.320 trolling comments about Canada being the 51st state hit so hard with some people. I want to

00:00:10.900 show you some video clips of different reactions to it. I want to tell you why I think Trudeau

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00:01:23.620 Tonight, why are so many Canadians so sensitive about Trump's 51st state comments? I'll give you

00:01:43.940 my theory. It's January 9th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:50.700 Shame on you, you censorious bug.

00:02:02.480 So why are Trump's 51st state comments resounding so loudly in Canada? I mean,

00:02:07.320 take a look at some of this reaction.

00:02:09.560 Well, I think the Prime Minister said it right. There isn't a chance in hell it's going to happen.

00:02:14.200 They'd have to find us on a map, but it'll take them maybe a few years.

00:02:18.680 Look, I said a couple weeks ago, this is like an episode of South Park. I'll start to get worried

00:02:22.820 when they confirm Eric Cartman as the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Like, this is, it's silly. It's

00:02:29.000 unbecoming, frankly, of a president, any president that would say that. But we do have to take it

00:02:33.600 seriously. Well, I know under my watch for Ontario, I'd never be for that at all. We have the greatest

00:02:38.600 country in the world. We have the greatest province anywhere. Any subsovereign nation

00:02:44.540 is Ontario and the rest of the provinces as well. You know something to the president? I'll make him

00:02:50.880 a counteroffer. How about if we buy Alaska? And we'll throw in Minnesota and Minneapolis at the 0.94

00:02:55.300 same time. So, you know, it's not realistic. I know he likes making these comments and he likes

00:03:02.180 joking around. I take that seriously. He may be joking, but under my watch, that will never, ever

00:03:10.640 happen. Hey, Donald, have we got a deal for you? You think we want to be the 51st state? Nah, but maybe

00:03:17.600 California would like to be the 11th province. How about it? California? Oregon? Washington? You've got

00:03:27.300 geography and commonwealth. And not only that, we've already got a carbon trading system between

00:03:31.800 California and Quebec. We've got some strong alliances on our west coast from British Columbia.

00:03:38.580 There's been a lot of academic papers on the idea of Cascadia. So California, Governor Newsom and

00:03:45.500 Washington State, Jay Inslee, and newly elected governor of Oregon, Tina Kotak. How about it? Want to put a

00:03:52.060 referendum to your citizens? Because this is what you deal. Have we got a deal for you? This is what you get.

00:03:56.000 Free health care. Universal free health care. No more one-year-olds who suddenly fall off the

00:04:01.200 Medicaid list and their parents are in the news because they're trying to do a GoFundMe so they

00:04:04.900 can get their daughter to a doctor. Universal free health care. And guess what? Those gun laws that 1.00

00:04:11.660 your Congress is too afraid to pass because of the national gun lobby, we already got our strict gun

00:04:17.240 laws. That's why we have the safest streets around the world, or at least in the United States,

00:04:23.200 by the way, the worst recent stats, 5.9 out of every 100,000 people is killed in a fatal gun incident

00:04:32.100 versus 0.88 per 100,000 in Canada. That's because we have strict gun laws. California, citizens, Oregon,

00:04:42.400 Washington, Washington, safer streets. Here we already have good gun laws, and women have a right to an 1.00

00:04:48.660 abortion under our universal health care system. But, you know, we don't have to stop there. Donald,

00:04:55.680 think about it. You could get rid of all these states that always vote Democrat. You know what else

00:05:01.280 we'll take Bernie Sanders off your hands? Proud new Canadian citizen of the great province of Vermont.

00:05:08.920 Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, we'd love to see you. Our maritime provinces already have deep, deep links and ties.

00:05:18.680 Well, enough kidding around. But honestly, President Trump, get used to it. Canada is a sovereign nation full of,

00:05:29.060 guess what, proud Canadians. We're not jingoistic. We don't boast a lot. That's one of the things we kind of

00:05:35.840 have in common with Jimmy Carter. We're not a big nation for braggarts and bullies. We actually like to

00:05:42.620 think we're of service in the world. We could do better. We can always do better.

00:05:46.960 But we love our country. And it's a country. It's a nation. And we do not aspire to be

00:05:57.340 51st state. So let's not hear that anymore. If it was a joke, it was never funny. And it ends now.

00:06:05.740 Elizabeth May was my favorite. She talked about an ex in California. I think part of the reason why we're

00:06:11.420 so sensitive, or at least our ruling class is so sensitive about this, by the way, about a third

00:06:17.240 of Canadians, I think, would welcome this. I think Trudeau himself is to blame, actually. When Justin

00:06:23.940 Trudeau first won election in 2015, he told an American newspaper, not a Canadian newspaper,

00:06:29.620 he told the New York Times, and I quote, there is no core identity, no mainstream in Canada.

00:06:37.360 He said we're, quote, the first post-national state. Where did you get off saying that? It wasn't

00:06:46.100 true. But since then, he's gone about making that true, hasn't he? He's taken our founding prime

00:06:52.840 minister off the $10 bill and generally purging Sir John A. MacDonald from all public discussion other

00:06:59.780 than calling him a racist. Trudeau has altered our national anthem. Who let him do that? He's accused

00:07:06.460 Canada, and therefore Canadians, of committing a genocide against our indigenous people. But,

00:07:12.900 you know, he won't say that same word about China and its treatment of the Uyghurs, even though they

00:07:17.920 have a million of them in a concentration camp. Trudeau has removed historical symbols from

00:07:23.460 our passport, just little symbols, just to tell us to forget who we are. Trudeau regularly accuses

00:07:29.520 Canadians of being racist and sexist and transphobic, even though he's the one who dressed up in

00:07:35.540 blackface and he's the one who sexually assaulted Rose Knight in Creston, B.C. He just said he 0.95

00:07:42.060 experienced it differently than she did. Remember that? It's not just one side of the story that

00:07:48.480 matters. That the same interactions could be experienced very differently from one person to

00:07:56.640 the next. And I am not going to speak for the woman in question. I would never presume to speak for her.

00:08:03.720 But I know that there is an awful lot of reflection to be had as we move forward as a society on how

00:08:11.880 people perceive different interactions. Like I said, I do not feel that I acted inappropriately in any way.

00:08:20.160 But I respect the fact that someone else might have experienced that differently. And this is part of

00:08:27.480 the reflections that we have to go through. Trudeau has devalued our citizenship, giving millions of

00:08:33.760 foreigners unvetted access to Canada. Did you see that little social media video circulating in the

00:08:40.680 past couple of days? Take a look at this.

00:09:01.160 The world's laughing at us. It didn't used to be that way. Trudeau actually says we have lots to learn

00:09:07.880 from returning ISIS terrorists. Remember that? There's a range of experiences when people come

00:09:13.400 home. And we know that actually someone who has engaged and turned away from that hateful ideology

00:09:23.200 can be an extraordinarily powerful voice for preventing radicalization in future generations.

00:09:31.280 Some immigrants probably really want to know more about Canada and how to be Canadian. Trudeau is a

00:09:37.740 part of the United States. As opposed to that, he scrapped the Canadian citizenship test for new

00:09:42.500 Canadians. You don't have to know anything about Canada anymore. Other national symbols? Well, he's

00:09:47.300 denuded our military to the point where we can't even participate in NATO war games because we lack

00:09:52.540 modern equipment to fly along next to our allies. But he can afford tampon dispensers in male bathrooms 1.00

00:10:00.140 on Canadian forces bases. You bet. You know, Canada's Veteran Affairs Department now

00:10:06.500 constantly recommends assisted suicide to vets with PTSD. They claim it's a mistake every time, but they

00:10:13.000 keep doing it. I could go on. In short, Justin Trudeau has done everything to demoralize Canada,

00:10:21.320 to denature us, to deracinate us, to cut us off at the roots. That's why Trump's statements about

00:10:27.960 becoming the 51st state sting. That's why they hit home. Because for a decade, Trudeau and every

00:10:34.480 institution in the country, the regime media, they've been awful, the universities, the courts, 0.99

00:10:40.020 the parliament, worst of all, school for young people. They've said Canada means nothing. Actually,

00:10:45.560 if it means anything, it means bad things. Colonialism, settlers, climate crimes.

00:10:50.740 Every one of Trudeau's actions says Canada means nothing. Canada's just a hotel. Well,

00:11:00.520 Donald Trump knows a little bit about hotels, doesn't he? Why wouldn't he try to buy one,

00:11:04.800 especially one that's for sale cheap? It's dilapidated. You know, we really should rehabilitate

00:11:11.840 Sir John A. MacDonald. Think about it. Think about when he was prime minister. He understood why Canada

00:11:17.920 was not America. We could be friends. We could be best friends, but we were different. It's one of

00:11:24.260 the reasons why he built the Canadian Pacific Railway. He saw America eyeing Western Canada.

00:11:30.120 Remember, they had just bought Alaska from the Russians. And if you think, BC is disconnected

00:11:37.740 from Ottawa today. Imagine what it was like back then. No railway, no telephones. That's why they

00:11:43.820 called it. They called it the Canadian Pacific Railway. It was his way of bolting the country

00:11:48.280 together so America didn't take all the land all the way up. Call it manifest destiny. And look at

00:11:53.980 that name, CPR. Canada's different now. I think the CPR is actually owned by Americans. Isn't that

00:12:00.220 symbolic? Now, some of the differences between us and Americans, they're not that big. I mean,

00:12:07.480 we're more passive than them. I think we can admit that. We don't fight for our freedoms as hard as

00:12:12.880 they do. I mean, remember, they were born in a revolution, a military revolution. We sort of had

00:12:18.320 an evolution or a devolution. You could say we were created by the British North America Act,

00:12:24.080 an act of parliament, weren't we? That's right. We still have the king. That's why we, you know,

00:12:30.380 by the way, there's a lot to be said for it. After the U.S. Revolutionary War, people who were loyal

00:12:36.120 to King George, they moved north in big numbers. They were called the United Empire Loyalists.

00:12:41.820 They came to Ontario mainly. That was 250 years ago. But it's still in our blood, you know.

00:12:48.120 I wish we had more American weather up here. I don't think we can ever change that. But

00:12:55.140 many of the other reasons to love America are things that we used to have here but have been

00:13:01.080 taken away from us. We used to be more prosperous. I don't know if you remember this, but under Stephen

00:13:06.740 Harper, we actually reached the point where the average Canadian was earning more than the average

00:13:12.700 American. It's hard to even believe that because now we're as poor as Mississippi. Our Canadian dollar

00:13:19.960 actually, I don't know if you remember this, used to be worth more than a U.S. dollar. So going to the

00:13:27.080 U.S. was cheap and fun. I remember people were buying cars in the U.S. and driving them up because

00:13:33.560 they were so cheap given our dollar. Canada was always smaller than America, but we were proud,

00:13:40.360 weren't we? I mean, Stephen Harper made our voice heard on everything from Israel to Russia to Ukraine

00:13:46.160 to China to India. And there were Canadian values that he projected around the world. Trudeau flipped

00:13:52.240 that around, didn't he? We don't project Canadian values to the world anymore, do we? We have imported 1.00

00:13:58.560 foreign values. As Trudeau panders to every foreign diaspora here, especially the pro-Hamas extremist,

00:14:05.240 he's brought in by the million. That's where we are now. After 10 years of getting poorer and getting

00:14:12.780 more alienated and more demoralized in our own home, can you blame someone, especially someone

00:14:18.400 who can't make ends meet, someone who's been called a racist by Trudeau? Can you blame someone who says,

00:14:24.180 yeah, maybe we should be part of the U.S.A.? For one thing, under Donald Trump, at least,

00:14:29.700 they're proud again, aren't they? They have hope again. They're patriotic again. Trudeau turned the

00:14:36.200 flag and the anthem into hate symbols in Canada. They really did after the trucker convoy. Trump loves

00:14:43.280 patriotism. I don't think we need to be taken over by the United States, though. I say that as someone who

00:14:49.940 is patriotic, but I say that as a matter of common sense. I mean, you can have your best friend live

00:14:56.480 right next to you as your neighbor, but you wouldn't join your houses together. You'd still have doors and

00:15:03.040 probably a fence between your properties. It could be your best friend, but you don't actually join your

00:15:07.240 houses together. I believe in selling our resources to the U.S. as our best happy customer. Trudeau does,

00:15:14.780 and he cut off all sorts of pipelines, didn't he? I like having an ease of travel between us.

00:15:20.480 I like having a military alliance with America. They protect us from the bad guys. I like being next

00:15:25.900 to the freest, safest country in the world as opposed to being in a rougher neighborhood like

00:15:31.020 Israel or Taiwan or even Australia. That's just dumb luck, though. Trump is angry with Canada. More to

00:15:37.940 the point, I think he's angry at Trudeau. He's angry that illegal migrants and illegal drugs come across

00:15:43.980 our border into the States. Not as much as on the Mexican border, but we were supposed to be good

00:15:49.720 buddies, weren't we? Again, good neighbors have good fences. Trump is angry that we're pro-Hamas and

00:15:55.160 pro-China and that we've neglected our military. I'm angry about those things, too, by the way,

00:16:00.060 and I'm not an American. The great irony is that Trump is demanding that we do things that we ought to

00:16:05.820 do in our own interests, not his interests. Fix our borders. Stop the drugs. Stop the illegals. 1.00

00:16:10.960 Trudeau literally won't. He needs a foreigner to tell him that. As I've said before, Trudeau actually

00:16:17.060 wants a trade war with Trump. Trudeau wants to be the hero defending Canada against the foreign menace.

00:16:24.720 And everyone cool hates Trump, right? Well, not quite so much anymore, actually. I think a lot of

00:16:31.040 Canadians sort of like Trump these days. And everyone hates Trudeau. I saw him at 16% in the polls.

00:16:37.380 Trump is ahead of Trudeau in Canadian polls, believe it or not. But Trudeau wants the tariffs

00:16:44.020 so he can blame Trump and blame the bad economy on Trump instead of the last nine years of Trudeau's

00:16:49.780 own budgets. By the way, it's not 100% certain that Trudeau is gone. He said he will resign,

00:16:57.540 but he didn't give a specific date, now did he? And maybe he'll change his mind. His father,

00:17:02.100 Pierre Trudeau, resigned in 1979. Then Joe Clark won and was a disaster. And Pierre Trudeau decided to

00:17:09.940 come back again in 1980. And he did his worst work in that last bonus term, including the National

00:17:18.260 Energy Program. You don't think that Justin Trudeau knows that history? Trudeau Jr. isn't necessarily done.

00:17:26.600 And he might even ask the governor general to end the prorogation and call a snap election. I don't

00:17:32.280 know. It could happen. It's just nuts that we don't have a working government during this crisis.

00:17:37.320 Here's Trudeau storming out of a liberal caucus meeting earlier today. Just take a look. He left

00:17:45.080 after 30 minutes. It was a six-hour meeting. Take a look.

00:17:55.080 Yikes. You left after half an hour. He probably spoke for 25 minutes of that.

00:18:00.600 We know it wasn't pretty. I'd love to hear what actually went on in there. But back to the United 1.00

00:18:06.040 States. Look, I love America very much. I love Italy. I love the United Kingdom. I love Israel.

00:18:11.160 There are other countries that I love. I love Japan. But I wouldn't want to move there or live there or

00:18:17.560 be citizens of there. You know, Canada is my home. My family's been here since 1903, which is a long

00:18:24.880 time in Canada. I want to be able to visit the U.S. and enjoy the economic prosperity of being their

00:18:31.880 neighbor. And I want to be under their security umbrella, don't you? But I don't feel the need to

00:18:37.060 join their country to do that. We just need to fix our own country up a bit. It's amazing to see

00:18:41.560 liberals and the regime media who have disparaged our country for 10 years suddenly find their

00:18:48.780 nationalism again just because Donald Trump has questioned it. Isn't that something? I think Pierre

00:18:55.800 Polyev will be the prime minister before the end of the year. And I think he'll end the circus. I think

00:19:02.660 he'll be Canadian first, but he won't taunt Trump or take the bait. I think the two countries will be

00:19:08.720 partners. By the way, I don't know if you saw the video in a press conference yesterday. Donald Trump

00:19:13.700 referred to the conservative leader of Canada. He didn't even know Pierre Polyev's name. And he said

00:19:17.980 Polyev might win or might not win. That tells me that Polyev and Trump have never spoken.

00:19:23.620 And the conservatives of Canada have deliberately stayed away from Donald Trump,

00:19:28.400 I think because they're afraid of being labeled pro-Trump or MAGA. North, you know, the liberals

00:19:34.440 tried out that maple MAGA slur. It didn't catch on. I think that Donald Trump simply doesn't know

00:19:40.420 that the cavalry is coming, that Pierre Polyev is coming to liberate us from Justin Trudeau. He

00:19:45.280 doesn't know that. I think if he knew Pierre Polyev, I think he would have a different tone. And I think

00:19:49.740 he would work with him.

00:19:50.720 If you were under the assumption that you're serious about making Canada the 51st state of

00:19:54.920 the United States, the leader of the Conservative Party in Canada said, under no circumstances,

00:19:59.880 he'll never be the 51st state.

00:20:01.040 Maybe he won't win, but maybe he will. I don't know.

00:20:03.660 To Dave's point, you had suggested that you're considering...

00:20:05.220 Listen, I don't care what you're saying.

00:20:06.220 But, sir, real fast, you said you were considering military force to acquire Panama and Greenland.

00:20:12.360 Are you also considering military force to annex and acquire Panama?

00:20:16.060 No. Economic force. Because Canada and the United States, that would really be something.

00:20:22.820 If I were Greenland, I wouldn't be so sure of an amicable ending. But really, if you look at

00:20:28.420 Greenland, it's a nearly empty landmass, largely covered in snow, where the U.S. already has a major

00:20:35.720 military presence. Same with the Panama Canal that Trump is talking about. America built the Panama

00:20:40.440 Canal, and incredibly, 38,000 Americans died building that. I couldn't believe that number.

00:20:46.060 I looked it up. It's true. A lot of them died from malaria building it.

00:20:50.620 I think Donald Trump is going to get the Panama Canal back by any means necessary, including

00:20:55.420 military, by the way. But obviously, that doesn't apply to Canada, and Trump admitted as much.

00:21:01.300 Trump is talking tough, and Trudeau literally has no idea what to do with it. The Canadian who does,

00:21:09.480 the best at least, is not a federal politician, not an ambassador, but the Premier of Alberta.

00:21:14.080 Let me show you Danielle Smith's entire interview the other day. Just masterful.

00:21:19.900 This is from about a week or so ago, but she's just nailing every point. I want to show you the

00:21:24.820 whole thing. It was great. Take a look.

00:21:25.900 It's wonderful to have you on the program today. Thank you for being here. We've seen Canada already

00:21:30.960 shift more officers to patrol the border in preparation for a new administration. We also

00:21:36.940 know these Canadian ministers are in Florida having conversations. What do those conversations look

00:21:42.140 like, given what we've seen over the course of the last four years?

00:21:46.520 Well, I think that they've been very positive. I know that we had started in our province,

00:21:51.020 in our province borders Montana, we had started the process realizing that we needed to do more

00:21:55.660 work on the border and addressing the issue of fentanyl. So we had already started identifying

00:22:00.860 some specialty teams so that they could go to the border, do special commercial vehicle checks,

00:22:06.080 have dogs so that they can sniff out drugs, make sure that we have a band on the border so that

00:22:11.900 if people are coming and going, not on an official border crossing, they're probably up to no good and

00:22:15.980 they're going to be stopped. And we also have a plan to put in some aerial vehicles, whether it's

00:22:20.680 drones or some other kind of aerial surveillance. And I think you're going to see that that is going to

00:22:26.760 be built out over the rest of the country. The federal government announced $1.3 billion to be able to do it.

00:22:32.900 And I think they're going to hammer down some of the details when Dominic LeBlanc and Melanie Jolie

00:22:38.220 visits Mar-a-Lago this week.

00:22:40.720 Danielle, we know that you know Kevin O'Leary through some business partnerships. We spoke with

00:22:46.100 him yesterday and he said that half of Canadians actually favored Trump's proposal for Canada to

00:22:51.820 join the US. Well, you know, we've watched the European government, which hasn't turned out very

00:22:56.560 well. In fact, you've actually seen it now begin to bust apart, as the UK say, that it's not working for

00:23:01.900 them. So I would say that we have a really solid, strong relationship as two sovereign countries.

00:23:07.600 We've got this wonderful partnership that we've had since 1993. There's always going to be trade

00:23:12.120 tensions. But I would say that if we could work on that relationship and also work on some of the

00:23:17.460 border issues, have the Americans know that we really do want to be a partner in addressing not

00:23:22.220 only our cross-border security issues, but also more internationally, the threat of China, 0.94

00:23:27.560 the threat of Russia, being able to help our allies. We think that Canada and Alberta in particular can

00:23:33.260 be a really strong partner in that and as two separate sovereign nations.

00:23:37.480 I've got to ask you about Wayne Gretzky because President Trump obviously floated his name. He had

00:23:42.580 a meeting with the great one there. And he mentioned that Wayne Gretzky should run for prime minister of

00:23:50.040 Canada. I think it was kind of said in a playful manner. But do you think there'd be any interest there

00:23:56.020 from Canadians and Wayne Gretzky himself? I can tell you, we call him the great one

00:24:01.000 in Canada for good reason. And I have always been such an incredible Wayne Gretzky fan from when I

00:24:07.060 was a kid. But one thing I would say about Gretzky, he always said, don't go where the puck is,

00:24:12.640 go where the puck is going. And I can tell you in our country, the place the puck is going

00:24:16.460 is conservative leader Pierre Polyev. He is going to, I think, win the next election. And I think he's

00:24:22.400 going to be an incredible partner for the U.S. on reducing taxes and trying to get our trade

00:24:27.200 relationship back on track. So I think it may have been a playful comment, but I think the name

00:24:32.160 people need to start hearing about is Pierre Polyev. Madam Premier, I just want to circle back to

00:24:37.660 something you said, because you're talking about how the United States and Canada can partner and

00:24:41.700 have strength moving forward. But I'm still wondering where the deficit was over the last four

00:24:47.400 years. Why did more fentanyl come over the border? Why did illegals cross the border from the north

00:24:52.980 into this country? That's something we've talked about with Congresswoman Claudia Tenney

00:24:56.640 in New York specifically about. I'm just wondering why Canada didn't do its part to just say,

00:25:02.140 you know what, we're going to continue and keep our standards the same,

00:25:06.060 keep the border safe and not go along with this.

00:25:10.080 Well, I think you've seen it in the U.S. I mean, I've been watching all the shows about Purdue Pharma

00:25:14.200 and all of the lawsuits that have been happening. We have lawsuits in our country as well

00:25:17.680 about what started off as I think the big lie that you could have a safe supply of opioids

00:25:22.100 caused a lot of addiction. And then when we started trying to cut that off, people turned to street

00:25:26.960 drugs. And then, of course, with COVID, I think what happened is that that population of organized

00:25:33.120 crime and criminals ended up taking over our large centers. So when we emerged after COVID, we ended up

00:25:38.200 with a big problem. So we've all been trying to play catch up after that. Also in our country,

00:25:42.600 we used to have pretty strict visa requirements of people coming in through the airports. And some

00:25:49.800 of those visa requirements were relaxed. And we ended up with way more people coming into the

00:25:54.920 country than we expected. So we brought those visa requirements back. And so I think there's just

00:26:00.080 been a couple of mistakes that have been made, but I think they're all correctable. And I think

00:26:04.140 there's a will on the part of Canada and the U.S. to work together to make sure we're not causing

00:26:09.340 problems at each other's borders. Madam Premier, we so appreciate your time today. We'd love to have

00:26:13.920 you back in the new year. Thank you. I thought she did great. Positive, upbeat, pro-Canadian,

00:26:19.800 but respectful of Trump, showing friendship, the exact opposite of Trudeau. Danielle Smith,

00:26:25.880 frankly, is going to save our relationship with America if anyone does. So yeah, Rebel News is for

00:26:31.860 an independent Canada. Now, I love America as much as you do. We absolutely understand why Trump is

00:26:38.340 furious with our broken border, our lack of military commitment, our pro-China, pro-Hamas foreign policy,

00:26:43.780 the fact that Trudeau is such a loser generally. You don't think I get that? I get that. But we can

00:26:50.080 fix those things. A lot of those things get fixed immediately in the next federal election. We can get

00:26:54.880 back to a time when Canada was America's best friend, but independent. I've been doing some American

00:26:59.680 interviews. I say it's like Batman and Robin. You know, I mean, we're our own person. We can be the

00:27:05.460 junior partner, but we're our own person. That's the way to be. By the way, if you want to turn an

00:27:11.460 American off of this dream of a nix in Canada, in about 30 seconds, just remind them that there are 1.00

00:27:18.980 9 million Canadians in Quebec who expect bilingualism in French. And then follow up with, you know,

00:27:26.860 you'll have another California on your hands when it comes to the electoral college. I mean, Canada

00:27:31.360 will likely vote Democrat. I don't know for sure. I mean, Alberta, Saskatchewan might vote Republican,

00:27:37.280 but I mean, what's Doug Ford other than a left-wing Democrat? I think if you remind people in America,

00:27:44.380 you're going to have this electoral block in the presidential vote, I think it cools them off

00:27:48.660 pretty quickly of annexing Canada. Look, I love America, but I love Canada more. It's hard to love

00:27:54.640 Canada right now because it's so broken and we are literally being invaded by Trudeau's migrants. But 0.96

00:28:01.040 I haven't given up on it just yet, and I don't think you should either.

00:28:06.640 Stay with us for more. Up next, an interview I recently did with Mark Milkey.

00:28:10.640 I'm really excited about our next guest. He really is a Renaissance man. He's a scholar,

00:28:26.440 he's a builder, a founder of the Aristotle Foundation for Public Policy. And of course,

00:28:32.640 at heart, he's an ideas man. He is a writer and he's got a new book. It's called The Victim Cult,

00:28:38.880 How the Grievance Culture is Wrecking Civilization. What a pleasure to be joined now by our friend,

00:28:45.280 Mark Milkey, who joins us from Calgary. Mark, great to see you again, and congratulations on the new

00:28:49.580 book. Ezra, thanks for having me. And, you know, I'm happy to have this new book out. So it's great

00:28:55.280 to be interviewed on it. You know, it is so easy emotionally to give up and say, I'm a victim.

00:29:01.820 I am not the captain of my own ship. Bad things that happen to me. It's someone else who did this

00:29:07.460 to me. Therefore, I don't have to take responsibility for it. I can mope and there's sort of a misery

00:29:12.780 loves company thing. There is some satisfaction in moping and blaming others. And, but that's not

00:29:19.800 the right way to be for people. It's not the right way to be for, for entire nations, is it? Tell me

00:29:24.420 more about your thesis behind The Victim Cult. Sure. Well, the reason I wrote this book,

00:29:29.920 and it took a very long time to write, about seven years in total, is because I've done a lot of work

00:29:34.440 on indigenous issues over the years. And there are some tremendous examples of indigenous leaders

00:29:39.420 who say, look, obviously some harm and some discrimination was rife in Canadian history.

00:29:46.160 But the person who wrote the foreword to The Victim Cult, Ellis Ross, former First Nations elected

00:29:51.660 chief in British Columbia, on the coast of British Columbia with a high slumation, set the tone for the 0.95

00:29:56.180 book, in that you can't allow the past to trap you as a person or as a group of people in the past,

00:30:04.460 because that's no way to create a better future without being flippant about it, right? And Ellis

00:30:09.240 is not, and I'm not in the book. The danger is, is when people concentrate on the past and the

00:30:13.700 victimization, sometimes it's imagined and sometimes it's real. And we shouldn't deny the latter. When you

00:30:19.040 concentrate on the past to a great degree and blame everything in the present on the past,

00:30:23.940 you really go in circles. And you see flourishing cultures around the world in history, which is

00:30:29.000 part of what this book did, that even when they were heavily discriminated against, as indigenous

00:30:33.780 Canadians were in the past, as Asian Canadians were between 1850 and 1950, literally in law and in 0.97

00:30:39.660 policy, and Jewish people, as you all know, also discriminated against in institutional ways before

00:30:47.540 the 1950s, 1960s reforms. Nonetheless, they were able to progress and push back. And so part of the

00:30:55.400 message of the victim cult is, without denying the wrongs of the past, you better look at what leads

00:31:02.560 to successful outcomes for peoples and entire groups today. Otherwise, you end up not making any

00:31:09.360 progress. And Palestinians, by the way, vis-à-vis Israel, are a great example of this. And I profile them

00:31:15.220 an entire chapter in the victim cult. Yeah, I think it was Henry Kissinger who said the Palestinians 0.98

00:31:20.520 never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. And it's almost as if they, at least their leadership

00:31:26.960 chose not to have a happy ending to their story because they loved the process of grievance more

00:31:33.320 than they loved the outcome. You know, I saw a tweet from Elon Musk the other day when he was talking

00:31:39.400 about racism and slavery. And he said, I'm paraphrasing, he said, everyone in the world

00:31:44.940 is descended from a slave. And I think he's probably right. And I think he had another line

00:31:51.080 about, and many of us are descended from slave owners. And he wasn't talking about in the last

00:31:56.020 generation or even the five generations. I think he's talking about maybe over the course of thousands

00:32:00.740 of years. Because it's true that even in the medieval feudal systems, there were indentured

00:32:07.280 servants and people tied to the land as peasants. And if all you do is try and relitigate the past

00:32:15.440 and either blame someone whose great-great-great-great-great-grandfather was a slaveholder

00:32:20.940 or seek victim status because your great-great-great-great-grandfather was a slave, you're never going to

00:32:28.140 break free from that oppressor-oppressed dichotomy. You never, it's like an endless feud with the

00:32:33.980 past, isn't it?

00:32:35.540 Well, it is. And there are a number of things. When you think about slavery and the arguments

00:32:39.120 these days about restitution or compensation, there are a number of things to point out. Number one,

00:32:43.620 look, I'm in favor of compensation and restitution where wrong has been done in recent history. So for

00:32:48.660 example, if you're sitting in 1950 and you're looking at Japanese-Americans or Japanese-Canadians,

00:32:53.740 it was absolutely the right thing to do to provide restitution for the property they stole and for

00:32:59.140 the time they spent in internment camps. That makes sense. It was a theft of property, a theft of years

00:33:04.740 of their life. Likewise, in the late 1700s, Quakers actually compensated their slaves that they freed 0.87

00:33:11.300 because they realized a great wrong of it done. But that's a pretty short cause and effect timeline.

00:33:15.800 If people now want to go back 200 years and say, you should compensate me because my family was

00:33:20.260 enslaved, that really kind of stretches, I think, the timeline for, you know, and basically who's to

00:33:26.260 blame. So the closer you are to an event, sure, there's some argument, and I point that out in

00:33:30.360 the book, for compensation. In the short term, if I step on your foot, Ezra, and I break it, maybe I owe

00:33:35.340 you a medical bill or whatever. But the further you go back on slavery, what's really fascinating,

00:33:39.900 when I researched the victim cult, one of the chapters in there is all about slavery. And people

00:33:45.160 forget this. It was such a worldwide phenomenon, and, you know, regrettably taken for granted that

00:33:50.540 people were naturally unequal and some should be slaves. But even white Europeans and white Brits

00:33:55.920 were slaves. A lot of the Moorish, you know, and Muslim ships from the Mediterranean went all the way

00:34:03.180 even to, like, southern England and captured slaves off the coast of England for centuries,

00:34:10.020 between the late 1500s all the way up to the 1700s. This was a problem. More, you know, ships that came

00:34:16.720 and enslaved Europeans to the degree of a million people. Now, a million people is not as great as

00:34:22.300 the Arab-African slave trade or the Atlantic slave trade between the Americans, the Americas, and Africa.

00:34:29.220 Nonetheless, people forget that even, you know, Arabs and, you know, others were enslaving

00:34:35.060 Europeans. And in fact, the term slavery even, you know, that's where slab comes from initially

00:34:39.820 slaves in Europe. So unfortunately, it was a tragic worldwide phenomenon, which the British and imperial 0.90

00:34:45.440 power, the colonialists that everyone likes to beat up on today, who are the ones that really ended

00:34:50.100 slavery in human history. And there was a reason for that. And so why I wrote the victim cult, one of the 0.83

00:34:55.540 reasons is to say, it doesn't do much good to say your ancestors beat up on my ancestors. It goes 0.71

00:35:00.740 around, you know, and everybody's ancestors beat up on everybody else's ancestors, to put not too

00:35:06.280 fine a point on it, if you go back far enough in human history. So again, the question people have to

00:35:11.320 ask themselves is, again, beyond tight cause and effect links that are provable and recent, what kind

00:35:17.700 of a country do you want going forward? And it's not a good idea to have one based on historic

00:35:23.300 grievances. I mean, that's why so many of our ancestors left Europe. We were tired of the fighting.

00:35:28.500 You know, I just can't help but mention, you talked about slave trades of people we don't think of

00:35:33.680 when we think of slaves. And I visited Ireland a few times in the last year, and I discovered that an

00:35:40.140 entire town called Baltimore, the entire town was raided by slaves. And one or two, I think, had their

00:35:49.220 freedom, they were ransomed. The rest were taken to a slave market in North Africa. An entire town, I

00:35:55.060 guess it was more like a village. So... Well, this is one of the reasons, by the way, the Americans in 0.99

00:35:59.640 the late 1700s began to set up a navy, because they couldn't protect their commercial shipping. This

00:36:04.280 literally was why the Americans set up a navy. People forget that their ships were being picked

00:36:09.080 off in the Atlantic and in the wet terrain. I think the idea of the victim cult is so appealing

00:36:14.740 because it's so easy. You don't have to work hard. You don't have to pull yourself up by your

00:36:18.600 bootstraps. You don't have to force your mind to be productive and positive to get over a grievance.

00:36:24.160 Everyone in the world has a grievance. Every single person in the world has a grievance. And it's hard

00:36:28.020 to overcome that. But if someone says, you don't have to overcome that, you are the oppressed person.

00:36:34.240 You didn't do this to yourself. And by the way, I can get you some goodies. Like, I think of what

00:36:40.460 our schools teach. Everything, you know, cultural Marxism, which includes critical race theory.

00:36:46.540 I would say that critical gender theory and transgender theory, it's all... There's a group

00:36:52.400 of terrible people who we can judge stereotypically, call them all bad. And you're one of the all good

00:36:59.680 people. I mean, that's... You can see that narrative in the pro-Hamas protests. They're saying,

00:37:04.240 any resistance to Jews or Israel is justifiable. So they're justifying even horrific terrorism, 0.93

00:37:11.360 and they're justifying their own hatred towards Jews who have nothing to do with a particular

00:37:16.780 political quarrel. I just... I think it's so deeply rooted in all our institutions of learning.

00:37:24.680 If you ask me the number one thing being taught in universities in 2025, it's not math or science

00:37:30.660 or history, it's cultural Marxism. It's think of yourself as either a victim or an oppressor.

00:37:36.440 That's what land acknowledgements are at the beginning of any meeting. That's just saying,

00:37:40.960 we're oppressors and sorry for existing. They're not actually serious about giving back the land yet.

00:37:47.420 I don't know. I just... I think this is a much bigger problem than...

00:37:50.660 Well, you know... Yeah, it's shot through our culture. Look, in the victim cult, I write about... I'm not sure

00:37:56.660 there's both sides in this, or that the left-right specter makes any sense anymore. It's been messed

00:38:02.060 up for years then. But when Donald Trump claims to be a victim of election fraud in 2020, and he

00:38:07.120 knows better, and he knows he's not, and some of your listeners are going to disagree, I know,

00:38:11.020 but I don't care because he wasn't a victim of election fraud. So I pick on both sides of this,

00:38:15.900 but you're right. The cultural Marxists, you see everything through the lens of victimhood,

00:38:20.400 are perhaps part of the bigger problem here. I mean, they've set the stage for this nonsense.

00:38:25.940 Also, it's a faulty view of the economy. If you go back and think, look, your ancestors beat up

00:38:31.000 on my ancestors or vice versa, and that somehow there was just this pot of money that someone

00:38:36.620 stole centuries ago, it kind of overlooks the growth of the capitalist economy in much of the

00:38:43.280 world over the last two or three centuries, which had nothing to do with plundering other people's

00:38:47.820 cultures. It came from creating something new as an entrepreneur, for example. So there's been a

00:38:53.800 great development in the world economy, and you can't blame much of what, you know, the inequality

00:38:58.500 you see today, or the remaining poverty, which hasn't been wiped out by markets for various reasons,

00:39:04.200 due to some event that happened 200 to 300 years ago. It usually has to do with more, you know,

00:39:09.520 banal things today, like regulation that prevent people from moving forward, or inflation, or that

00:39:14.440 sort of thing, which creates inequalities. So part of the problem of thinking like a permanent victim is,

00:39:19.820 let's go back to the Palestinian issue, it prevents you from progressing. If you look at other Arab 1.00

00:39:24.320 nations, Qatar, if you look at Hong Kong before the Chinese regime took it back and had made a mess 1.00

00:39:30.220 of it in the last 10 years, you will see that cultures can progress with the rule of law, property

00:39:34.980 rights, a free economy. And that's what makes people progress. It doesn't help to focus on the past

00:39:41.420 at infinitum. And the Palestinians have made the mistake, they could have been Singapore by now, 1.00

00:39:46.700 they could have been Hong Kong, if, you know, since the early 1970s onward, after the Israelis held the

00:39:52.520 West Bank in Gaza, they produced leaders that said, look, we're going to work within the system for now,

00:39:57.660 and prove that we're not out to kill everybody on the other side of this border. But it had bad

00:40:02.160 leaders time and again, including Yasser Arafat. One of the examples I give in the victim call as a

00:40:06.380 comparison to Yasser Arafat is Jerry Adams and Marty McGinnis, Martin McGinnis, Sinn Féin and provisional IRA

00:40:13.740 leaders, you know, respectively. They did a deal with the British and got to the Good Friday Accords

00:40:19.220 in 1998. And it's not because they weren't terrorists or sympathetic to terrorists in both

00:40:24.540 cases. It's because they wanted to get to a peace treaty more than they wanted dead breasts. And they 1.00

00:40:30.280 eventually came to that conclusion. And they would crack down on their own side in those negotiations,

00:40:35.480 including one author, I quote, you know, basically says they probably fed information to the British

00:40:41.140 to try and crack down on some of the more even more radical cells than the ones they are involved

00:40:45.420 with when they wanted a peace treaty. The Palestinian leadership has not done this. And the Palestinians,

00:40:50.880 unfortunately, are a great example of they've suffered from poor leadership that has wanted

00:40:56.180 dead people on the other side of the border rather than more than they wanted a peace treaty in all

00:41:01.520 these decades. Whereas Israel has proved in its deals with Egypt, Jordan, and the Abraham Accords more

00:41:07.060 recently, they will do peace trees if they can find a partner on the other side. But a lot of

00:41:12.100 Palestinians, I regret to say, are so enmeshed in the victim narrative, they can't get beyond it. 1.00

00:41:18.280 You know, let me close with one more thing about Marxism, because Marxism in its original form was

00:41:23.160 about the working class and the means of production. It was about prosperity. It was about who gets the 0.96

00:41:28.760 stuff. And you can imagine when people were so poor in general, and the Industrial Revolution was

00:41:35.320 fairly new. There was spectacular wealth amidst great poverty. And that was on people's minds.

00:41:41.040 These days, we're so wealthy and so luxury, we have to invent new luxury grievances about gender or race

00:41:49.220 and these fine degrees of things to complain about. Because, you know, the working class in 2025 would be 1.00

00:41:56.300 astonishingly rich 100 years ago. And a fun way to look at that is things like that movie by Matt Walsh,

00:42:04.180 what is a woman? He goes to very poor third world countries and asks them, what is a woman? And they

00:42:10.780 laugh and they answer clearly, because they're so worried with basic level prosperity questions,

00:42:17.580 they haven't had enough idle time to worry about cultural Marxism, what is a woman? And I think that 0.96

00:42:24.380 in a way, the victim cult is a proof that we have so much free time, and so much luxury and so much

00:42:30.760 excess wealth and so few real problems that Karl Marx himself would have identified as real problems.

00:42:38.400 So now we've had to apply that oppressed oppressor narrative to the rest of the world just to keep

00:42:44.240 ourselves revved up. I think it's actually quite sad. Folks, we've been talking to Mark Milkey. He's

00:42:49.820 the boss of the Aristotle Foundation. His new book is called The Victim Cult. You can get it at

00:42:55.360 amazon.ca. Last word to you, Mark. Tell us what the Aristotle Foundation has coming up in 2025.

00:43:02.620 Well, lots of stuff on anti-merit, anti-individual, the liberal DEI policy, right? This notion that

00:43:09.240 everything is due to racism. It's not. So we've got more work on that coming out. We've got a book on

00:43:13.600 John Diefenbaker coming out in a couple of months by author Bob Hommenden, looking at the Freedom

00:43:17.960 Fire. That's the subtitle of the book. So look for that. It's not available yet. The Victim Cult is

00:43:22.880 available now, but a book on John Diefenbaker will be coming out in, will be coming out in

00:43:27.740 several months from the Aristotle Foundation, along with some work in anti-Semitism and radicalism

00:43:32.960 within Canada. Sounds great. There is Mark Milkey. Stay with us, Moorhead.

00:43:38.400 Hey, welcome back. Your letters to me. Rebecca Baer says, I don't care. I'm not returning to

00:43:56.400 Facebook. Hey, fair enough. It's tough to overcome a decade worth of antipathy towards Mark Zuckerberg.

00:44:05.000 I think Alan Bakari was right yesterday when he said to me that Zuckerberg is just being

00:44:10.580 pragmatic. He's going which way the wind blows. And if that blows him back to freedom, that's a

00:44:15.780 good thing. You know, I don't know if we have to forgive. We shouldn't forget. But I'm happy that

00:44:22.980 freedom is on the march. And the most important thing I took away from the Zuckerberg video is that

00:44:28.920 he implied that Facebook intends to be free around the world, too. And he's going to rely on the U.S.

00:44:34.980 State Department to help him overcome local governments around the world that are censors.

00:44:40.360 That gave me some hope. Bruce Acheson says, this is a start, but the war isn't over. We must fight

00:44:47.580 lies and bullying wherever it happens. Leftist bullies have been pushing people around for far too long.

00:44:52.740 Like in Revenge of the Nerds, people will come to our side when we speak the truth. Leftist jocks will find

00:44:57.960 themselves to be a small minority of losers if we keep on fighting their tyranny. Well, there have

00:45:05.060 been some forces for freedom in social media. Rumble, which is the YouTube competitor, has always

00:45:10.600 been great. Telegram has resisted censorship, too. But Facebook is the biggest of them all. And YouTube,

00:45:18.180 Google, actually, in some ways, that's even bigger. So those are the ones that really count. That's why

00:45:22.880 I'm so glad Facebook has come over. So far, Google and YouTube are atrocious. YouTube

00:45:27.820 demonetized us over the course of time. I think YouTube has knocked. Like if we would have stayed

00:45:34.360 on YouTube monetized over the course of our life as a company, we would have had $10 million worth of

00:45:42.020 ad revenues based on our traffic that we could have hired more staff, opened up more offices,

00:45:48.320 done more good work. YouTube almost destroyed Rebel News. That's a fact. Well, that's our show for

00:45:54.600 today. Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home,

00:45:59.580 good night, and keep fighting for freedom.

Rebel News Podcast - January 10, 2025

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Trudeau the Terrible can't stand Trump's humour

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