Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Trump assembles mass deportation force in Los Angeles—when will Canada follow suit？

00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends, a very interesting showdown in Los Angeles today, a sanctuary city with a

00:00:05.360 communist mayor. And I say that as a description, not an insult. So she's on one hand, on the other 0.53

00:00:11.540 is Donald Trump and his ICE immigration police. It's quite a show. I'll have lots of video for

00:00:16.980 you. And it takes place in MacArthur Park, I meant to say. I want you to see it, not just

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00:00:48.300 I really want you to see the videos from MacArthur Park.

00:00:55.820 Tonight, Trump digs into mass deportations in Los Angeles. Will we ever see that in Toronto,

00:01:12.020 Montreal, or Vancouver? It's July 7th, and this is the Ezra LeVance Show.

00:01:15.940 You're fighting for freedom. Shame on you, you sensorism bug.

00:01:25.820 The big, beautiful bill that Donald Trump passed last week was about several things, but I

00:01:37.060 think undoubtedly it was mainly about mass deportations, massive increases to the budget

00:01:43.820 for both border police as well as ICE agents. That stands for Immigration Customs Enforcement

00:01:49.940 Police, who operate within the US, not just at the borders. That budget is now larger than

00:01:55.760 many independent countries' defense budgets, which is expressed as a complaint by people

00:02:02.280 who were against it, but it is expressed as a boast by people who were for it, who would

00:02:07.620 say that it matches the gravity of the moment, namely that America has been invaded. And it takes

00:02:12.780 an army of immigration police to expel the invaders. In fact, let's be candid, they'll be very lucky to 1.00

00:02:18.860 deport a million migrants a year over the course of Trump's term. And there are at least a dozen, 13

00:02:26.300 million migrants who came in under Joe Biden's watch alone. This is an existential threat to America, 1.00

00:02:33.580 Trump and his team would say. I think that's correct. The root word of nation is the Latin,

00:02:39.740 to be born, like natal or nascent. A country isn't just a clump of land. It's a place connected to

00:02:47.020 people and people born on it who carry with them a country's memory and traditions. You replace that

00:02:53.180 nation if you replace the people in it. Pretty obvious point. I'll give you Exhibit A as an example. That

00:03:00.300 mighty building, the Hagia Sophia, one of the grandest in the world, the largest cathedral in the world for

00:03:08.060 a thousand years. Construction beginning in the year 360, not 1360, 360, the greatest church in what was

00:03:17.340 the greatest city in the world, the richest city in the world, obviously the most Christian city in the 0.99

00:03:23.340 world, Constantinople, named after Constantine the Great, the first Roman emperor to convert to

00:03:31.020 Christianity. I mean, Constantinople was for a time the capital of Rome, the empire, the city of Rome wasn't.

00:03:38.300 Constantinople was.

00:03:40.300 Then it fell to the Muslim Turks who slaughtered and subdued the Christians and turned the Hagia Sophia into a mosque, 1.00

00:03:49.100 the most beautiful mosque, but a mosque indeed. During Turkey's liberalization about a hundred years ago, it was turned into a 0.96

00:03:57.020 museum, but Turkey's authoritarian ruler Erdogan has once again turned it into a mosque just to show he can.

00:04:05.180 So yeah, a nation is more than an address, isn't it? More than just some clods of soil. It's people,

00:04:10.860 the Christian people of Constantinople were massacred and swamped by the Muslim people of the Ottoman Turks 0.99

00:04:17.580 who made it their capital and obviously changed his name to Istanbul. Did you know that Egypt used to be a

00:04:23.980 Christian country? So did Syria. So did Lebanon. You might have heard about a place called Nazareth.

00:04:30.460 It's now a Muslim town. Telling this story reminds me of my visit to the neighborhood of Rosengard in Malmo,

00:04:38.460 Sweden, when I visited there 10 years ago. You know, a generation or so ago, Rosengard was nearly 100%

00:04:47.420 Swedish. Today. It's pretty much 100% Muslim migrants. I spent the day there. I had bodyguards 1.00

00:04:54.620 because they don't much like white journalists from Canada asking questions. I didn't see any

00:04:59.340 ethnically Swedish people all day other than a couple of security personnel until the end of the

00:05:05.740 day when I spotted one native Swedish woman, the daughter of a hundred generations of Vikings. 0.88

00:05:13.500 There was one left. I rushed up to her like she was an endangered species or something,

00:05:18.620 like I had spotted, I don't know, a rare bird or a panda bear. I want to show you my interview with

00:05:24.140 her, the last Swedish woman in Rosengard. And I put it to her, if Rosengard, if Sweden itself is no longer

00:05:33.100 full of Swedes, is it still Sweden? Can I play that interview for you again? I did it 10 years ago, but

00:05:40.700 maybe you don't remember it. You'll be shocked at how young I looked there more than 10 years ago.

00:05:48.220 I had hair and it wasn't gray. 10 years of fighting the good fight. I think it's aged me

00:05:53.180 probably 20 years, but I think I'm working out more now. Anyways, let me make my point to you

00:05:58.380 about a people replacing itself. This is my trip to Malmo, the neighborhood of Rosengard.

00:06:04.300 Are you from Malmo? Originally no. Where are you from originally? Mid-Sweden.

00:06:11.820 One of the things we're talking about is migration to Europe, and Malmo seems to have a lot of 1.00

00:06:18.300 migrants, especially Muslim migrants. What do you think of that?

00:06:20.620 I think maybe they should deal with it better, but still we need them.

00:06:28.140 For what? What does Sweden need them for? Because Swedish people just don't make any babies. 1.00

00:06:34.380 So they will take care of us when we're old, if not immigrants. 1.00

00:06:37.580 And how will they take care of you? You know, work at, you know, hospitals,

00:06:45.100 uh, or, uh, you know, old people homes, you know, stuff like that. You know,

00:06:50.780 Swedish people don't want to clean after other people. So, so if they don't do it, somebody 1.00

00:06:57.340 have to do it. How about, uh, the combination of Muslim culture and Swedish culture? They seem

00:07:03.020 pretty different on things like women's rights and gay rights and, and things like that.

00:07:07.420 Hopefully we can turn them around. And how's that going so far?

00:07:14.300 Uh, I have some colleagues and it, it's doing fine. No problem at all.

00:07:21.100 Um, I, uh, I was talking to some Somali men who tell me that they have a lot of kids,

00:07:28.380 but they're on social assistance, so they're not working. What, it, it almost, I mean, I don't know,

00:07:35.260 and I'm asking you, it seems like some of the migrants are taking social services. They're not

00:07:40.220 going to provide social services to Swedes. Do you think, do you think that economics is really

00:07:44.700 going to work out? Like it, it's costing a lot of money to take care of the migrants, isn't it? 1.00

00:07:48.140 It does, but it's not easy for them to, to find a, uh, a job either.

00:07:52.060 Now, why do you think they're coming to Sweden? That's very far away. Do you think it's because Sweden

00:07:56.860 is so generous with welfare? Are you trying to get me to answer your way, or?

00:08:02.700 You say whatever you want. Tell me if I'm wrong. Am I wrong?

00:08:06.060 Uh, I mean, of course you read in the magazines all about, you know, uh, the taking our money

00:08:12.620 and works and all that, but it's not easy to, uh, to, to get to work here. And I think that most of

00:08:18.940 them, if they want to have, they want to have a job, but I mean, if you don't know the language

00:08:24.460 and all that, it's not that easy. Well, yeah. And especially if you're counting on them to,

00:08:29.020 to take care of you when you're older, right? But they will, they will. Because I don't think

00:08:33.820 we will be enough Swedish people to do it. Can you tell me the best way it's changing Sweden 1.00

00:08:39.660 and the worst way it's changing Sweden? Uh, the best, best way is, uh, I think it's always good to have,

00:08:46.700 uh, a mixed culture. Uh, you know, how otherwise would we have pizza and pasta in the first place

00:08:52.860 in Sweden? Uh, the worst way is probably that the politicians doesn't do it well. They should

00:08:59.820 have been, you know, provided them better. Now, when I'm from Canada and we think of Sweden,

00:09:05.820 we think of a beautiful progressive country and we think of women's rights. But I understand that

00:09:12.380 the, the number of rapes in Sweden is extremely high. Is that true?

00:09:16.300 Uh, not what I heard. It's not more than before. You know, you're in the summer, you can have drunk,

00:09:22.300 uh, Swedish men as well to do stupid things. And how about crime in general? Is that a problem? 1.00

00:09:30.780 I don't know. Maybe I'm lucky, but I'm fine. I want to ask you a question.

00:09:36.860 Uh, are you afraid of being called racist if you criticize

00:09:40.540 migrants? Are you afraid of that? Uh, no, because I'm probably not that aggressive when I, uh,

00:09:47.260 criticize, uh, but, uh, of course it can happen, but I always tell what I want to say. And, uh,

00:09:54.380 so, so far, no problems. Um, have you followed the news out of Germany on New Year's Eve in Cologne?

00:10:01.100 Yeah, a little bit. What do you think of that?

00:10:03.420 It's not nice, but still, I think it's still the politicians, uh, they don't do it well. I mean,

00:10:12.300 the police does what they're told. And, uh, so I think still, politicians, uh, I mean,

00:10:20.620 if they inform people better, I don't think we would have that problems.

00:10:24.620 So, so you think that, um, that rape and sexual assault, it's just we Swedish,

00:10:31.260 Sweden and Germany has to do a better job?

00:10:34.140 Uh, yeah, because I mean, if you give them good values in school and, uh, whatever,

00:10:39.420 I think it would have been better. And, and still it's easy to blow up, uh, because of,

00:10:46.940 because it happens with immigrants, but it happens in, you know, in other cultures as well.

00:10:52.700 How do you feel when you see a woman wearing a niqab? Like just the, just a little slit for the 1.00

00:10:58.620 eyes. I mean, you're a modern Swedish woman. How do you feel when you see another woman wearing that? 1.00

00:11:05.100 As long as it's by free choice, I have no problem with it.

00:11:08.540 And how would you know if it's by free choice?

00:11:10.380 I have no clue.

00:11:12.140 Does it bother you? Would you, do you have any children yourself? Would you want your daughter

00:11:15.980 to dress like?

00:11:16.620 I have no children, but, uh, lots of friends have children and let's say if I would have a friend,

00:11:24.540 uh, with a daughter and she wants to convert and she truly believes it, I will be fine with it. 0.99

00:11:31.020 But if somebody forced her, I wouldn't be fine.

00:11:33.980 Do you feel like we're losing ground on gay rights and women's rights?

00:11:37.500 Uh, hopefully not. I have a lot of gay friends and, uh, uh, they have the same problems that they had 0.99

00:11:46.700 before. Uh, I think it's better now.

00:11:51.580 I, I think, I think the world is better now in the West, but, but I, I've talked to a number of

00:11:57.020 Somali men here who, and, and Macedonian Muslim, they don't like gays at all.

00:12:02.380 No, uh, but they don't do an extreme about it. I mean, look at Russia. I think it's worse there, 0.58

00:12:08.300 because there is the regime is against it. Uh, here it's people. Uh, so I think it's a big difference.

00:12:15.900 I, um,

00:12:18.700 is there a limit to the number of Muslim migrants Sweden can take?

00:12:23.820 Um, no.

00:12:25.580 So, a million a year?

00:12:29.340 I don't think that's what Germany's taking.

00:12:31.900 I don't think it will happen. Not a million per year.

00:12:35.420 What happens if there were more Muslim migrants than there are Swedes? Is that okay? 1.00

00:12:41.580 As long as, uh, you know, they follow the law and, uh, try to do the best and work hard, why not?

00:12:49.740 So you have no problem with Swedes being a minority in Sweden? 0.75

00:12:53.740 Nope. Actually not. As long as me, it's a good country and, uh, you find work and the nature is

00:13:01.260 still beautiful and the weather is like it is, and...

00:13:04.860 And you don't have any kids anyways, right? That's someone else's problem. 0.98

00:13:08.380 No, no, it's not anybody else's problem. As long as people are nice to each other,

00:13:12.220 it doesn't matter where you live.

00:13:13.660 I mean, if there were 10 million Somalis here and then they brought in Somali-style law, 1.00

00:13:19.420 it wouldn't be Sweden anymore if they brought in Sharia law. 0.97

00:13:21.740 No, I still don't think it will happen. I'm quite sure.

00:13:25.180 Yeah, that makes me very sad.

00:13:27.340 I sort of wish I got to know Sweden while I was still Swedish.

00:13:30.940 It's not diversity when every country in the world is swamped and globalized.

00:13:36.140 I would love a Swedish Sweden and an Irish Ireland and an Italian Italy.

00:13:41.100 Um, those things are disappearing in the name of diversity.

00:13:45.340 Um, what was interesting to me is that even she was making excuses for her own

00:13:51.820 replacement. I think that was the saddest part of it. Just the inheritor of the Vikings,

00:13:57.500 not out with a bang, but with a whimper.

00:14:00.540 Back to America, the country that has decided not to go quietly into that good night.

00:14:05.740 They're going to go fighting if they go.

00:14:08.060 They say they're going to have a mass deportation. Trump uses the word re-migration a lot now.

00:14:12.700 It's quite something. And he's putting together an army to do it here.

00:14:15.500 Take a look at that army today in the heart of Los Angeles in a large park called MacArthur Park.

00:14:22.060 It looks lovely. The park online, um, at least back when LA was a safe, prosperous,

00:14:28.780 entrepreneurial city, the city of the future, before it's great to climb.

00:14:32.620 I mean, look at this. That's a photo from about a hundred years ago.

00:14:39.340 And here's a postcard from around the same time. I mean, LA looks like something very different

00:14:46.380 in the past. So anyways, the reality of MacArthur Park today is, well, let me read to you from an LA

00:14:52.300 time story. And this was, here's the headline attacks on transgender women exposed MS 13 gangs

00:14:58.220 grip on MacArthur park. That is quite a headline. Let me read you the first paragraph. It's almost

00:15:03.580 unbelievable. So this is from 2021. So in Biden's term, when Trump's revival was regarded as an

00:15:09.820 impossibility, this, what was the status quo in LA? This is what was normal. Remember LA is a sanctuary

00:15:18.860 city night settled on a woman sitting alone on a bench in MacArthur park. Three people moved towards

00:15:28.220 her. One locked an arm around the woman's throat as the others pulled out knives and began to stab her. 1.00

00:15:34.300 The attack in October marked the second time in weeks that a transgender woman had been stabbed

00:15:39.420 nearly to death in the Los Angeles park by members of MS 13, a street gang that considers the park,

00:15:45.660 the heart of its territory. The vicious assaults drew condemnation from advocacy groups and a heavy

00:15:51.180 police presence to the park as a straightforward narrative emerged. MS 13 had been motivated by a

00:15:57.420 hateful, bigoted desire to rid its turf of transgender people. Left unmentioned, however, 0.96

00:16:03.260 were the tangled underworld economics that brought the women and the gang into contact in the first 0.99

00:16:09.740 place. Now, of course, you just have to understand the LA times when they're saying women there,

00:16:13.740 they mean a man who is expressing himself as a woman. But if I'm trying to understand that,

00:16:24.300 gang members, foreign gang members had human trafficked transgender prostitutes into the park 0.98

00:16:31.340 for prostitution to make money. But MS 13, they are a brutal gang and they also hate them because 0.99

00:16:40.060 they're trans. I mean, it is a mess. And that was just that was just how LA is. Here's a video of it 1.00

00:16:48.140 during the daytime. It reminds me of other places. I've been to the Tenderloin district in San Francisco.

00:16:53.980 A lot of people on drugs, a lot of crime. It's just a failed state. It's not the California that the

00:16:59.500 world fell in love with 50 years ago. I know this whole thing poses a moral dilemma for the left,

00:17:05.020 don't they? Because they love trans people. They love sex workers. They love migration. They love

00:17:11.260 MS 13. So it's tough for them to criticize any of those group. But Trump, not so much. So take a look

00:17:17.420 at this. This is what happened today.

00:17:37.900 They look like military, but I don't think they're actual military. I don't I don't think

00:17:42.860 they're National Guard. I think they're police just dressed up in their most terrifying garb.

00:17:47.740 And those are riot horses, of course. And you can hear a helicopter in the background. Here's

00:17:52.380 another shot where you can see they are marked as police. You can see some of the inhabitants

00:17:57.740 of the park gathering. Here's another shot which appears to be sped up of the police. This is from

00:18:05.020 Karen Bass, the communist mayor of LA. Now, my theory is that the police are decked out

00:18:11.180 that way to intimidate not actually the people they're going to try and arrest in the park, but

00:18:19.580 would be rioters who might think they would rush down to the park to fight the police.

00:18:24.860 So they did a few weeks ago. I don't know if you saw those riots in LA.

00:18:29.180 So I think this police enforcement is looking like they could repulse even a huge riot. And I think

00:18:34.780 that's what it's about. I think it's about deterrence. It's just my theory. The folks who showed up

00:18:40.220 after protests were typically wearing COVID masks and looking pretty anemic. They didn't really look

00:18:47.420 like they would be much of a battle, to be honest. Now, I didn't actually see any photos or videos of

00:18:54.780 any arrests. I'm guessing that most people who would have been deported would have fled the scene

00:18:59.980 unless they were very drugged out or something or just clueless. Again, I think this might be for

00:19:04.700 optics reasons. I think the police actually had their own cameraman with them filming it.

00:19:10.300 Here's some still photos of the cops taken by a reporter, Bill Melugin.

00:19:16.380 Very interesting. So you can see they're marked as cops. Now, the mayor rushed down to the park

00:19:21.820 for the cameras too. Very different from her response a few months ago when a wealthy neighborhood

00:19:27.180 in L.A. burned in a fire. Huge fire. More than a thousand homes burned. She chose to go to Ghana, 0.57

00:19:34.220 Africa instead. But today she was right there moments later as the boss of a sanctuary city.

00:19:40.780 And she demanded to speak to the head of the cops. So a cop lent her his cell phone and let her call

00:19:47.900 his boss. And here's how that went.

00:20:09.500 Here's the tail end of that cell phone conversation.

00:20:14.460 I am going to say. Mayor Bass, I need to get my phone and we're departing.

00:20:19.020 Okay. Okay. Thank you. Mayor Bass.

00:20:21.340 Mayor Bass.

00:20:22.220 Any comment, Mayor Bass? Thank you.

00:20:23.740 Mayor Bass, any comment? Yes, my comment is they need to leave and they need to leave right now.

00:20:29.900 They need to leave because this is unacceptable.

00:20:32.540 Who did you speak with?

00:20:33.340 Just wait and see.

00:20:34.140 Mayor Bass, who did you speak with on the phone just now?

00:20:39.020 Who did you speak with on the phone?

00:20:40.140 Who did you speak with on the phone?

00:20:43.020 So Mayor Bass says she thinks the police need to leave right away.

00:20:46.940 Okay, I get it.

00:20:47.980 She's anti-cop, always has been.

00:20:50.540 Weirdly anti-fireman too, which was a bit of a problem during the fires.

00:20:53.820 But at least she wasn't doing her best to get herself arrested,

00:20:58.300 like a Democrat senator from California did the other day,

00:21:01.900 storming into a press conference by Kristi Noem, the Homeland Security Minister.

00:21:06.300 Here's how that went.

00:21:11.100 I have questions for the secretary, because the fact of the matter is a half a dozen violent

00:21:17.260 criminals that you're rotating on your, on your, on your, hands off.

00:21:30.700 On the ground, on the ground, hands upon your back, hands upon your back.

00:21:35.260 Leave your left, leave your left, leave your left my hands, go ahead.

00:21:37.020 All right, all right, all right, all right, all right, cool.

00:21:38.700 And with my hand, lay, lay flat, lay flat.

00:21:41.980 Other hand, sir, other hand.

00:21:50.460 There's no recording loud out here.

00:21:53.420 I think the Democrats want to be arrested, maybe even shot.

00:21:58.300 They don't want to be killed, but I think they want a little bit of action.

00:22:00.620 They want the drama, they want the crisis, they want the chaos.

00:22:03.980 They want to kick off riots.

00:22:05.580 Here's Zoran Mamdani, likely the next mayor of New York City, doing the same thing,

00:22:10.700 doing his best to get arrested.

00:22:12.380 This was just a couple of weeks ago.

00:22:13.660 They all know this is the most important battle they can have.

00:22:29.020 It's now or never for them.

00:22:30.220 Before, under Joe Biden, the phrase demographics is destiny meant that the other side, the Democrats,

00:22:35.900 just had to wait.

00:22:37.020 The longer things went on, the more the migrants would just change the country. 1.00

00:22:40.060 In Constantinople, it was an invasion with cannons.

00:22:44.620 In California, it was an invasion too, just not really with weapons.

00:22:49.180 They just walked across the border.

00:22:51.260 I don't think the migrants wanted to be called an invasion because that might attract too much

00:22:55.740 attention.

00:22:56.220 But Trump stopped the influx and now he's working on the reflux, isn't he?

00:23:01.500 And everyone knows that's a disaster for the Democrats.

00:23:04.940 Everyone knows it.

00:23:05.660 It's so obvious.

00:23:07.180 It's clear the left, you know, I'm going to pause for a second.

00:23:09.740 I mean, the only migrants I have seen in the last 20 years that the Democrats do not like,

00:23:16.220 where I don't know if you saw, but a few weeks ago, the US invited in, I think, 58 refugees

00:23:23.900 from South Africa who were the white Dutch farmers called the Boers who are being targeted

00:23:30.460 because they're white by the South African government.

00:23:33.100 So like 50 or 60 Boers were farmers came to America to farm and that's what they do. 1.00

00:23:40.700 They're farmers.

00:23:41.980 The Democrats were universally against that.

00:23:45.020 Well, because obviously they would be rightward leaning farmers and migrants.

00:23:50.460 The only time I've ever seen Democrats against migrants because they know that the rest of them

00:23:54.220 are going to vote Democrat.

00:23:55.100 Anyways, it's clear that the left wants their moment.

00:23:58.300 You know what I mean?

00:23:59.260 They want a George Floyd moment, maybe a police going too far or appearing to go too far.

00:24:05.580 You could call it the Hamas strategy. 0.98

00:24:07.180 Really?

00:24:07.420 The worse, the better.

00:24:08.860 As communists say, they really want the government to hurt a child or something.

00:24:13.420 They want to recast what's going on.

00:24:16.460 But I think the opposite is happening.

00:24:18.060 I think that the old California is waking up again and remembering what it could be like

00:24:21.900 without the failed state overlords and their mass immigration troubles.

00:24:26.780 I see online some people are tweeting images of what they say are traffic apps in Los Angeles

00:24:32.220 showing no traffic jams for the first time in memory.

00:24:35.100 Now, some people are ascribing that to mass deportations.

00:24:37.900 I'm a little bit skeptical.

00:24:39.020 I don't think the numbers are that big yet.

00:24:41.820 LA County has 10 million people in it.

00:24:43.900 I think you'd need, I don't know, hundreds of thousands gone before you would notice,

00:24:49.820 you know, reliefs in traffic.

00:24:51.820 But maybe it is that much.

00:24:53.820 I mean, Trump's administration claims that a million people have self-deported

00:24:58.780 just on the threat of muscular deportation.

00:25:02.860 If you can believe it, and tens of thousands more being targeted,

00:25:06.300 starting with the worst of the worst, who have been in some ways sent to the terrorist prison

00:25:12.300 in El Salvador.

00:25:13.420 And now comes Florida's alligator Alcatraz prison too.

00:25:17.420 So Trump is leaning into this.

00:25:20.700 I say again, I think the cameras accompanying the cops were from ICE itself.

00:25:24.700 I think Trump isn't being shy about this.

00:25:26.620 He's being the opposite of shy.

00:25:28.220 If there's going to be any war in Trump's term, that's his.

00:25:34.220 It's not going to be Ukraine or Syria or Iran.

00:25:36.860 It's going to be a war, hopefully with no bullet shot, to take back America from the invader. 0.96

00:25:43.500 That's a fight he wants, and he knows he can win.

00:25:46.460 And it will have the support of most Americans.

00:25:48.620 It's going to be very interesting, isn't it?

00:25:51.020 I think it'll work, or it's certainly got a chance to work in the

00:25:55.180 Build Better Beautiful Bold Bill or whatever it's called.

00:25:59.420 I think that gives Trump the tools he didn't have in his first term.

00:26:02.700 My God, it's got to work.

00:26:05.420 And if it works in America, and I think it will,

00:26:08.380 maybe the UK will be inspired to vote for Reform UK, whose motto is

00:26:13.100 freeze immigration, stop the boats.

00:26:14.700 And maybe UK will be encouraged to call for mass deportations too,

00:26:18.460 despite Nigel Farage's wobbliness on that question.

00:26:21.340 And maybe our own cautious Canadian conservative party might wake up and realize

00:26:27.180 that we are further down the road of mass immigration than either the UK or US,

00:26:31.740 especially in the last five years.

00:26:34.060 And we have a much worse on our streets, by the way,

00:26:36.780 and much worse economically, by the way.

00:26:38.780 And maybe the answer for Pierre Polyev is not to try to woo migrants,

00:26:44.140 but to call for them to be re-migrated too.

00:26:47.820 I don't know, fighting the carbon tax just doesn't seem to do it.

00:26:51.980 Stay with us for more.

00:27:05.340 Well, Rebel News is based in Canada.

00:27:07.420 We have Avi Yamini in Australia.

00:27:09.580 And of course, we're quite interested in things going on in the United Kingdom.

00:27:12.460 But over the last year, I personally have been riveted by what's going on in the country of Ireland,

00:27:18.700 a smallish country, 5 million people.

00:27:21.900 But it has become the focus of really two enormous forces.

00:27:26.460 On the one hand, globalist mass immigration that is in fast forward.

00:27:32.060 I've never seen it that fast anywhere in the world.

00:27:35.180 But on the other hand, a tightly knit community, the indigenous people of that Ireland coming out in protest against it.

00:27:43.100 I think it's such an interesting story.

00:27:45.180 And I know there's things we can learn about it here in Canada.

00:27:47.980 I want to throw you one quick fact before I introduce our next guest.

00:27:51.340 I recently attended a rally in Dublin, the city, the greater Dublin area, about a million or so people.

00:27:57.660 There was about 50,000 people there.

00:27:59.740 Even if that number is pumped up a bit, that's an enormous turnout.

00:28:03.740 And proportionately for Ireland, that would be like, oh, I don't know,

00:28:08.220 that would be like 300,000 people marching in Canada.

00:28:11.980 Huge.

00:28:12.460 And by the way, no official political parties support.

00:28:15.420 No mainstream media supports.

00:28:17.980 It's organic in a way.

00:28:21.420 It's like Canadian truckers, except for they're not there with their trucks.

00:28:24.780 They're there with their tricolor flags.

00:28:26.940 And what stuns me every time, and Rebel News has gone to half a dozen of these,

00:28:30.540 is how few other media are there.

00:28:32.860 There are some citizen journalists, but the regime media either ignores these marches

00:28:38.060 or under reports them, an exception, of course, is my favorite news source in Ireland,

00:28:43.900 which I encourage you to subscribe to.

00:28:45.820 It's called Gript.

00:28:47.420 You can find their website at gript.ie.

00:28:50.780 And one of the reporters we love to bump into when we're over there is our guest today.

00:28:55.020 Her name is Fatima Gunning, and she's a reporter with Gript.

00:28:58.300 Fatima, great to see you again.

00:28:59.580 Thank you.

00:29:01.180 Thanks for having me on again.

00:29:02.620 Great to be here.

00:29:03.580 It's a pleasure.

00:29:04.300 I've fallen in love with the Irish accent.

00:29:06.860 I'm trying to learn as much about Irish history as I can.

00:29:10.220 And before we do, I want to talk with you about

00:29:13.500 the battle over online censorship in Ireland, because that's really coming to a head.

00:29:18.540 But before we do, give me one word on your thoughts on this rolling protest.

00:29:24.380 It's in Dublin.

00:29:25.340 It's in Cork.

00:29:26.060 It's in different towns and cities almost every other week or so.

00:29:32.700 Is it the organic movement that I think it is?

00:29:36.940 Well, I think it has to be.

00:29:38.220 I mean, as you said, there's no real, you know, big party push behind it.

00:29:42.380 There's no big ad campaigns.

00:29:45.420 As you mentioned there, you know, the numbers are disputed.

00:29:48.220 But in the last few weeks, there was that very, very large protest, which look at least

00:29:53.340 at least 15,000 people, I would say, took to the streets.

00:29:56.700 And although the national broadcaster called it five, I think,

00:30:00.380 you know, and that that was all put together essentially by a yes, not single handedly,

00:30:06.460 but the kind of the power behind that was councillor Maliki Steenson, who is an independent councillor.

00:30:12.460 So again, a lot of the the the power behind this movement is coming from more grassroots

00:30:20.060 grassroots sources.

00:30:21.340 So, yes, I mean, it does seem to be growing.

00:30:23.900 I think that two years ago, anybody who wanted to participate in a protest like that would have been

00:30:29.580 perhaps shamed out of doing so by being called racist, far right, Nazi, whatever, you know,

00:30:35.820 kind of slur the the the the the people who consider themselves to have the moral superiority

00:30:43.500 when it comes to issues of interest in Ireland would have called people names like that.

00:30:48.220 But I think that that has waned to the point where more and more people are feeling comfortable

00:30:52.700 with actually saying, I don't agree with open borders.

00:30:55.580 I don't agree with Irish people becoming a minority in some towns and villages.

00:31:00.380 And I just I don't agree with the level of, you know, largely male migrants who are unbedded. 1.00

00:31:07.020 They're criminally unbedded when they come here coming into our country, which is already screaming 0.84

00:31:11.980 for lack of housing, lack of health care resources, you name it. 0.81

00:31:14.940 We're not in a good place.

00:31:17.500 Yeah, you know, I believe in diversity in that.

00:31:20.140 I would love to visit an Italy that is Italian and a France that is French.

00:31:24.380 And the idea that Ireland would be de-Irishified is sort of sad.

00:31:29.180 I love the Irishness of it.

00:31:31.180 And I I know you can find an Irish pub in any city in America.

00:31:35.180 There's 30 million descendants of Irish in America.

00:31:38.300 But I think Ireland should be Irish. 0.98

00:31:40.140 I'm not saying immigration should be zero.

00:31:42.940 But this mass helter skelter, unvetted immigration, it doesn't make economic sense. 0.90

00:31:48.780 It doesn't make cultural sense.

00:31:50.300 It doesn't make political sense.

00:31:51.820 Last question on the migrants before we get to the free speech. 1.00

00:31:55.260 Is it having any penetration into the official parties?

00:32:00.780 Because you mentioned Maliki Steenson, who's a city councillor, which is really no disrespect,

00:32:08.300 but it's the bottom rung on the political ladder.

00:32:11.100 He's not a member of the parliament or the Senate.

00:32:13.100 He's certainly not a party leader.

00:32:14.620 He's one guy and I think he's a good egg.

00:32:17.820 But are any of the established parties, either in the government or the opposition,

00:32:22.940 are they starting to say, wow, there's a big parade mustering?

00:32:26.380 Let me go to the front of it.

00:32:27.500 Like that's the politician's move is to see a parade and then run to the front and take credit.

00:32:32.540 Is there any of that?

00:32:34.860 Like surely some of these establishment parties are realizing there is some energy with the anti-migration side.

00:32:43.340 I don't think there's anybody running to the front.

00:32:46.300 You know, I don't think there's anybody trying to get ahead of the movement from the official parties.

00:32:50.620 I know that Aintu, which has two TDs, two members of parliament at the moment, are, you know,

00:32:58.140 more critical of migration than the other ones like Sinn Féin, Fianna Fáil and Fianna Gael.

00:33:03.980 Also there's independent Ireland.

00:33:05.900 But, you know, just to focus on the larger, more established parties, for example,

00:33:10.700 we had recently our Taoiseach, Michal Martin, admitting really what everyone else has known

00:33:18.220 for the last three years, that the majority of these people coming in claiming asylum are,

00:33:22.860 in fact, economic migrants who are just skipping the queue.

00:33:25.900 And those sentiments were also echoed by the new-ish Minister for Justice, Jim O'Callaghan,

00:33:32.060 who, you know, I think credit where credit is due has been a lot more common sense

00:33:37.500 in his approach towards this issue since taking office than his predecessor, Helen McEntee,

00:33:42.380 who was basically, I don't know, just a cheerleader for all of this, really.

00:33:46.860 This and hate speech, I should say.

00:33:49.980 Well, we'll keep an eye on it, and I really enjoy my visits there.

00:33:53.420 I do make the case to my Canadian viewers that it is newsworthy for Canadians too.

00:33:59.340 But it's a delight to see so many Irish people who now tell me they follow our reports,

00:34:04.940 because Gript is there, that's your company.

00:34:07.580 And there's a handful of private citizen journalists who live stream it.

00:34:12.380 But I have to say it's a huge news story that the state broadcaster, RTE, and some of the more

00:34:18.380 establishment newspapers, I really feel like they're deliberately downplaying it because they

00:34:23.580 don't want that effect you were talking about earlier with people getting more confident.

00:34:27.740 Oh, it's okay.

00:34:28.460 It's socially acceptable to have those opinions.

00:34:31.820 There's a huge rally.

00:34:32.940 I'm not alone.

00:34:33.900 I think the official media point of view is don't, it's a kind of censorship in a way that

00:34:40.940 they don't want the ideas to spread.

00:34:42.780 We'll see.

00:34:43.260 I look forward to seeing how the story ends.

00:34:44.940 But you just alluded to a hate speech proposal, and I think it is tied to immigration in that one

00:34:51.180 of the things so many censorship regimes are designed to do is to stop criticism of global migration

00:34:57.900 in the name of racism and extremism and disinformation.

00:35:03.980 I think a lot of censorship is put on that.

00:35:07.500 Three years ago, it would have been COVID.

00:35:09.820 Now, I think it really is migration.

00:35:12.540 Give us the update on the battle for free speech in Ireland.

00:35:16.060 Because like I say, you've got the regime, which is frankly fairly censorious in its attitude.

00:35:22.140 And now you've got the European Union saying, hey, Ireland, you got to get tougher with censorship.

00:35:28.620 But on the other hand, America, who's always had a fondness for Ireland, I think,

00:35:34.140 is saying, no, don't go down that path.

00:35:36.060 So it's quite a showdown. And Ireland is like the hot potato in the middle.

00:35:40.060 Tell us what the latest is.

00:35:43.020 Yeah, I mean, I think that the then Interim Minister for Justice, Simon Harris,

00:35:48.460 who is now the Tanisha, the Deputy Prime Minister, really let the cat out of the bag on why this hate

00:35:54.940 speech bill is so important to the establishment when he tried to add migration status as a protected

00:36:01.180 characteristic a couple of years ago.

00:36:03.100 Now, that didn't go through, but it tells you a lot about the priorities there, I think.

00:36:08.380 So, yeah, we had a pretty fierce fight over this hate speech bill.

00:36:13.260 2022 was when the new bill was drafted and the then Minister for Justice, Helen McEntee,

00:36:20.300 who I just mentioned, was very gung ho on this, like, you know, willing to pass it at any means,

00:36:24.940 it seemed. But because of the pushback and there was, you know, some, you know,

00:36:30.220 there were smaller numbers, but very fierce, the political pushback from from the chambers of power.

00:36:35.980 But the speech element eventually was dropped and they came back with a new one from 2024,

00:36:42.860 which basically was essentially the same thing, only that the speech element had been taken out of it,

00:36:47.500 which, you know, seems a bit silly since Ireland has had incitement to hatred law since 1989,

00:36:53.260 which everyone seems to want to forget. And those laws deal with incitement to violence against

00:36:59.420 specific groups, also with the publication of materials that could lead people to be incited

00:37:05.820 towards violence and also broadcasts. So, you know, I think that that existing law, which is older than a

00:37:11.820 lot of people that may be watching this, is fine. I think, you know, it's a bit weird that Annie

00:37:17.260 moved to update that was made if it wasn't just to censor speech. But yes, the EU Council is not happy

00:37:27.500 with us because they say we have not implemented a framework which dates back to 2008, I believe,

00:37:34.620 with the focus, as you mentioned there, on, you know, prohibition of tracks that would make people

00:37:40.460 perhaps have certain undesired thoughts about, uh, certain races, certain religions, certain

00:37:46.940 ideologies, gender ideology, anything like that. Like the EU just does not, does not want to see

00:37:52.220 that kind of discourse taking place. And, you know, it just so happens that those issues are the big

00:37:57.900 issues at play in Ireland today. So people want to talk about them and I think people have a right to

00:38:03.260 talk about them. Yeah. When I've traveled around Ireland, um, the downtowns, the, the government

00:38:09.100 buildings, there, there's a real big LGBTQ show of force, at least in terms of flags and signs and

00:38:16.460 things like that. So I can imagine that that and mass migration are what people are talking about.

00:38:21.980 How could they not? And, you know, you mentioned the laws that have been in place for, you know,

00:38:27.900 more than 30 years, but incitement to violence is a very different thing than incitement to a feeling.

00:38:34.460 A feeling is not violent. If you're, if you're upset, if you're hateful, if you're a dissident,

00:38:39.980 that's not hurting someone else. I believe in laws against inciting violence. You know, I, I guess

00:38:46.220 that's almost a cousin of the law against uttering a death threat. That's a very different thing than

00:38:51.100 telling people not to have hard feelings. Hard feelings come from a sense of grievance that there's

00:38:56.300 an injustice in the world. And in Ireland, there is some injustice. I mean, I, the housing prices are so

00:39:02.460 high in part because they brought in a million newcomers in the last 10 or so years. I don't

00:39:07.820 know. I think it's very interesting. How's it all going to end? Is Ireland going to pull back from

00:39:13.100 some of its excesses or, or do you think the current political class is going to go down with the ship?

00:39:19.740 Like I, like, is something going to break is what I'm saying. Well, there, there is a suggestion,

00:39:25.340 you know, from sources within the Department of Justice that they're actually going to push back against

00:39:30.300 this and tell the, the, the EU basically, look, we've, we've done what you've asked us in so far

00:39:35.500 as we're willing to go with it. Now, how serious that is, and if, if it will actually happen, and if

00:39:40.700 they'll actually stick to it, because again, Ireland does face being sent to, for, for basically

00:39:47.580 like punishment, you know, if you don't, if you don't implement the framework, the frameworks that the EU

00:39:53.740 lays down in their diktats, they do refer you to disciplinary action. And I believe that we're already

00:39:59.500 paying fines for some stuff. So perhaps the government might not care about spending more

00:40:04.460 of the taxpayers' money on fines for this too. But I, I do think that we're in a better position

00:40:10.780 now to push back against it under the auspices of Jim O'Callaghan, Minister for Justice, than we ever

00:40:16.620 were with his predecessor, Helen McEntee, who, as I said a few minutes ago, was a chair leader for all

00:40:21.100 this kind of stuff. Last question for you. I remember a few weeks ago, Secretary of State for the United

00:40:27.260 States, Marco Rubio, issued a tweet that I think was astonishing. And it said that the United States

00:40:33.740 would put a kind of sanction on any officials, even with friendly countries, who engage in censorship.

00:40:42.860 And it wouldn't be an economic sanction, but it would deny them the right to travel to America,

00:40:47.820 which, which is embarrassing, at least, and disruptive. And it's a stigma,

00:40:53.100 the idea that the United States would sanction a bureaucrat or a politician in a friendly country

00:40:58.620 for censorship is, is actually an incredible thing. I don't know if it's been done to anyone yet.

00:41:05.180 Is that in the background? Is the United States and their more recent commitment to free speech and

00:41:12.140 backing Twitter and backing Facebook against censorship? Was that on the minds of any Irish

00:41:19.100 political people? Do you think like you think the prime minister or the foreign minister thought,

00:41:24.380 well, if I go along with this, I might get banned from America? Was that a factor?

00:41:30.620 I mean, they do love their, their wee trip to the White House to hand over the bowl of shamrock

00:41:36.300 every year, which, you know, sometimes it reminds me of that episode of South Park, where they suddenly

00:41:41.420 get rid of all the Peruvian pan pipe bands. And then these like feral guinea pigs burst through the ether.

00:41:48.060 And then now everybody knows why the pound pipe bands were so important. That reminds me of the

00:41:52.380 whole like the shamrock thing. But, you know, I think it has something to do with the fact that

00:41:57.180 there are so many huge American multinationals based in Dublin, because, you know, if they want to

00:42:03.580 exit here because we're essentially a bastion of censorship, that's going to ruin our economy.

00:42:09.180 So I think that that's, that's, it's a big, a big pull factor there for them to maybe get a little bit

00:42:16.620 real about this this time and stop with the virtue signaling. Because, you know, when it comes to many

00:42:22.620 issues, like particularly like the war in the Middle East, Ireland, Irish politicians, I should say,

00:42:28.460 more specifically, are essentially just virtue signaling day and night. When we have Irish people 1.00

00:42:33.660 dying on hospital trolleys because our hospitals are a mess. We have Irish people who have jobs 1.00

00:42:38.140 sleeping in cars and on friends' sofas for months and years on end because our housing system is a mess.

00:42:44.060 And, you know, people like Sinn Féin are staging walkouts because of something that's happening

00:42:49.100 thousands of miles away, which like Ireland has absolutely nothing, nothing got to do with and

00:42:53.580 nothing to contribute to in any meaningful way.

00:42:56.060 Yeah. Yeah, it's very interesting, the politics of Israel and Gaza. We won't get into the details of

00:43:02.380 it, but I mean, it really is. I think it's a distraction from proper affairs. I mean, Ireland 0.97

00:43:10.300 has some crises going on, but if you can get everyone to look at the problem thousands of miles away

00:43:16.300 instead, I suppose that's better politics. A topic for another day. Fatima, great to see you. Before you go,

00:43:22.780 tell our viewers in Canada and America, how do we follow GRIPT? What's the best way to follow you?

00:43:29.340 What's the best way to support your independent journalism?

00:43:33.900 If you want to follow GRIPT, we are on all major social media platforms, especially X.

00:43:40.220 I myself am on X. It's Fatima underscore Gunning, I believe. I haven't thought about my own handle in a

00:43:46.460 while. And if anybody wants to, like most of our content is free, but because we don't receive

00:43:52.460 any state funding, we are completely reliant on donations from people who value our work.

00:43:59.820 Well, some of it is paywalled. You know, we do some pretty investigative work, pretty heavy

00:44:05.980 investigative work, which goes into all of the strange dealings behind the multi-million euro

00:44:13.820 industry of asylum accommodation, which I think will be interesting to a lot of people. So if you want to

00:44:19.020 access all of our work, you can sign up to subscribe at GRIPT.ie or if you want to just follow us in

00:44:25.980 general, we're on all the major platforms. That's great. Well, I love it. It is my number one source

00:44:32.140 of news about Ireland and hopefully I'll have a chance to bump into you in my next visit there. Fatima

00:44:38.060 Gunning of GRIPT.ie. Great to see you again. Thank you so much. Cheers. Stay with us. More ahead.

00:44:57.900 Hey, welcome back. Your letters to me on Evan Blackman getting a court order to get the records from

00:45:05.020 TD Bank and the police. Wally Bartfay says, critical to note that Carney was the one who

00:45:11.180 recommended freezing bank accounts of Canadians illegally. I know he's supported. I don't know 0.98

00:45:16.060 if he came up with the idea. It wouldn't surprise me if he did, him being a banker and all. I remember

00:45:20.540 he wrote an op ad in the Globe and Mail saying the government wasn't going hard enough on the

00:45:25.420 protesters. He really is an authoritarian. Millie Mees says, the RCMP being involved in this just adds

00:45:31.820 another stain on their record. I think you're right. And I'm still hearing stories about police

00:45:36.540 misconduct during the lockdowns. The Democracy Fund is still fighting cases from three years ago,

00:45:43.100 if you can believe it. Ken Chorney says, when will Freeland and the bank execs be charged?

00:45:50.220 Well, I don't know if they'll be charged. To be charged is a very high standard. Like, I mean,

00:45:55.820 bad ideas, you know, causing damages. Yes, yes. Did they do something that reaches a criminal level?

00:46:02.700 I don't know. And we don't want to criminalize bad political choices because we don't want

00:46:10.060 all public political disputes to be settled in courts. That would replace the voter with the elite

00:46:17.180 cabal of judges. I think that what Chrystia Freeland and the banks did was wrong. 1.00

00:46:22.060 We know it was unconstitutional and illegal, but being illegal is a little bit different than being

00:46:27.900 a crime. I think the happy ending here would be for the bank and the government to have to pay

00:46:34.940 compensation and punitive damages to the hundreds of people they targeted. So, you know, when you sue

00:46:42.940 something for something they did wrong to you, which is called a tort in law, you get your damages back.

00:46:47.900 Let's say they smashed your window and it cost you 800 bucks. You'll get the 800 bucks back.

00:46:53.820 You might get your legal costs back, but the court has the power to give you punitive damages or

00:46:59.980 exemplary damages to punish the other side, to make an example of the other side. Wouldn't it be 0.71

00:47:05.420 something if the banks had to pay a million bucks each to everyone whose bank account they shut down

00:47:11.340 illegally? Wouldn't it be something if the cops had to do so too? See, that's the kind of justice I think we need.

00:47:18.540 Well, that's our show for today. Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World

00:47:22.700 Headquarters to you at home, good night and keep fighting for freedom.

Rebel News Podcast - July 07, 2025

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