Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Trump EVISCERATES Zelenskyy during heated exchange

00:00:00.080 Hello, my friends. It's the most astonishing political video I've seen, well, I can't even

00:00:04.560 think of another time ever. I'm talking about the meeting between Vladimir Zelensky, the

00:00:10.560 president of Ukraine, and Donald Trump and J.D. Vance, the president and vice president

00:00:14.200 of the United States. What started out as a sort of a celebration of coming together

00:00:19.660 with a peace deal that seems like it's almost about to be born turned into an acrimonious

00:00:25.860 argument, hollering over each other, a little bit of name calling, just astonishing, and

00:00:32.160 Vladimir Zelensky basically being shown the door afterwards. I've never seen anything

00:00:36.380 like it. I'm going to play about almost 10 minutes of it, and I'm going to stop every

00:00:41.140 moment and just give you my reaction. Frankly, I encourage you to watch the whole thing.

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00:02:15.420 Tonight, the most astonishing debate between Vladimir Zelensky of Ukraine and President

00:02:23.860 Donald Trump and his vice president, J.D. Vance. I've never seen anything like it,

00:02:28.320 and I doubt you have either. It's February 28, and this is the Ezra LeVance Show.

00:02:35.960 Shame on you, you censorious bug.

00:02:39.160 Well, you know Donald Trump's position on Ukraine. It's simple. He says the war would not have started

00:02:54.000 had he been president at the time, and he used to boast that he could get the war ended in 24 hours

00:03:02.340 after his victory. Well, I think it's likely true that the war would not have happened on his watch,

00:03:09.120 and we have some proof of that. There was a Russian invasion of Ukraine under Barack Obama.

00:03:14.400 There was no Russian invasion of Ukraine when Trump was president the first time. Then there was another

00:03:20.400 Russian invasion of Ukraine under Joe Biden, and now Vladimir Putin seems eager to stop.

00:03:25.740 Donald Trump is many things, but one of them, and perhaps it's an unlikely thing, is he's a peacemaker,

00:03:32.740 whether it's in the Middle East or, hopefully, between Russia and Ukraine. It's difficult being

00:03:39.000 a peacemaker, especially when so much of the West has demonized Russia and Russians and even talking

00:03:44.860 about ceasefires. I've shown you this clip before. This was a couple years ago. This is the spokesman for

00:03:50.220 the U.S. Secretary of State saying that America's position is there should never be a ceasefire

00:03:56.560 in the war, because that would suggest that the current borders are the permanent borders.

00:04:03.020 Imagine the United States saying we will not even entertain the idea of stopping the war. Here's that

00:04:08.280 clip. And beware of what may seem to be well-intentioned efforts, for example, to call for

00:04:15.660 ceasefires, which would potentially have the effect of freezing in place the conflict,

00:04:22.100 allowing Russia to consolidate the gains that it's made, and simply use the time to rest and refit and

00:04:29.340 then re-attack. And so what seems to be appealing on the surface, who wouldn't want the guns to be

00:04:35.100 silent, can also be a very cynical trap that we have to be very, very careful of. And of course,

00:04:41.700 I think it's safe to say, Dmitry, that no one wants peace more than the Ukrainian people,

00:04:47.280 because they're the ones who are suffering directly from its absence and from this aggression. But it

00:04:53.000 has to be just and it has to be durable. Otherwise, it's ultimately for not.

00:04:58.960 So it's very hard to say, you know what, we should talk about peace with the hated Russians and

00:05:04.800 Vladimir Putin. That's the thing about making peace is you make peace with your enemies, not your

00:05:10.040 friends. Europe certainly was belligerent and encouraged Vladimir Zelensky, mainly rhetorically,

00:05:19.100 but through some funding, it should be noted. But under the presidency of Joe Biden, the United States

00:05:26.980 gave by far the most money and the most sophisticated equipment, including M1 Abrams tanks,

00:05:34.980 Javelin missiles, and on the way F-16 fighter jets. Well, Donald Trump didn't solve the war in the

00:05:43.640 first day, but it's still barely a month out of his inauguration. And it looks like he's getting there.

00:05:51.120 And so today, not only did the British Prime Minister Keir Starmer arrive at the White House,

00:05:56.840 but so did Vladimir Zelensky. Donald Trump greeted him when he pulled up in his bulletproof limo,

00:06:03.980 wearing his casual clothes as he does as a, I suppose, a symbol of staying true to the military

00:06:11.440 state of Ukraine. Here's how that clip looked.

00:06:20.800 President Trump, what's your message to Vladimir Putin, sir?

00:06:24.560 President Trump, you have a message to Vladimir Putin as you speak with President Zelensky today.

00:06:30.720 Well, Zelensky and Trump and J.D. Vance sat in the Oval Office that was packed with reporters,

00:06:44.980 and they had a conversation on TV for the better part of an hour. And they talked about a variety of

00:06:53.800 things. And the deal was effectively done. There's that large mineral deal by which America would

00:07:00.500 recoup some of the funds that it had put into Ukraine, but also help rebuild Ukraine after the

00:07:07.840 war. And with a large American economic interest in Ukraine, that in itself is a kind of deterrent

00:07:14.700 against Russian military adventures. There have been statements from the UK and from France,

00:07:22.360 and actually a hint from Justin Trudeau, for Canada's sake, that there would be some

00:07:27.880 soldiers in Ukraine as a kind of peacekeeping buffer. The United States clearly said that would

00:07:34.280 not happen. Look, it's going to be difficult to negotiate a peace with Russia. Russia has a larger

00:07:42.080 population, a larger economy, a larger military. And even though they had some setbacks in the war,

00:07:48.480 they are now inexorably marching forward. Vladimir Putin surely wants the war to end,

00:07:55.440 but it's unlikely that he will give up much, if any, territory at all. That's the thing about wars,

00:08:01.500 is they're terrible. And it's only once, I suppose, one side or both sides are exhausted that peace

00:08:06.860 comes. I'm setting the scene for the most astonishing debate. Like I said, you had maybe a

00:08:13.400 half hour discussion in public about the negotiations, which is always a dangerous thing to do.

00:08:20.420 If you're negotiating in public, you're giving away things. You risk offending the other side.

00:08:26.420 You wish blurting things out. You don't want Russia to hear your real positions. It's always a dangerous

00:08:32.000 thing. And I've been most surprised that Vladimir Zelensky has been going to various capitals in Europe

00:08:38.080 and now in the United States and talking about the state of negotiations while they are underway,

00:08:44.160 which is a very difficult thing and very, but it's a very complex, it increases the complexity of a

00:08:50.300 deal. But I think he was being egged on. I think Vladimir Zelensky was being egged on by two things.

00:08:57.220 First of all, Europeans who are generally terrified of Vladimir Putin. And second of all, Europeans who are

00:09:04.000 not genuinely terrified of Vladimir Putin, but disagree with Donald Trump and have other motives

00:09:10.200 for fighting Vladimir Putin. Still, one of them might be Boris Johnson, who the other day said

00:09:15.440 publicly that this was just a proxy war whereby the West could fight Russia to the last Ukrainian.

00:09:22.880 Remember this clip?

00:09:24.760 We are, let's face it, we're waging a proxy war. We're waging a proxy war, but we're not giving our

00:09:32.320 proxies the ability to do the job. And for years and years now, we've been allowing them to fight

00:09:40.040 with one hand tied behind their backs. And it has been cruel. It has been cruel. And we need now

00:09:51.240 to give them what they need.

00:09:52.860 And remember Kaya Kalas, the former prime minister of tiny Estonia, talking about how she thinks

00:10:01.200 Vladimir Putin is actually scared of the European Union. Do you see that clip?

00:10:05.520 NATO is not the thing that Russia is afraid of. Russia is afraid of democracy expanding to Russia.

00:10:13.580 Because NATO has never, and any NATO countries have never attacked Russia. The point is that

00:10:20.100 why are we in NATO is because we are afraid of Russia. And the only thing that really works,

00:10:26.980 the only security guarantee that works is the NATO's umbrella.

00:10:30.240 Well, whatever it is, someone was whispering into Vladimir Zelensky's ear. Was it Democrats?

00:10:36.900 Was it never Trumpers? Was it Europeans who were feeling pretty butch, like Kaya Kalas? Was it people

00:10:44.520 from the military industrial complex in the United States? People who benefit or profit from the war

00:10:49.920 and don't want to see it ended? I don't know. But after being fairly well behaved for half an hour,

00:10:57.560 a fight broke out, an argument. Really, it was when Vladimir Zelensky and J.D. Vance,

00:11:04.760 the vice president, started at it. They went back and forth a bit. And then Trump came in.

00:11:09.500 And then it was the most undiplomatic beating I think I've ever seen. And so without further ado,

00:11:16.280 I'm now going to play, I don't know, about a seven-minute clip of it. I really encourage you

00:11:21.420 to go back and watch the whole thing. I've watched about a 10-minute segment of this

00:11:25.640 two or three times now. It's just unbelievable. I'm going to play this about seven and a half-minute

00:11:33.100 clip now, and I'm going to interrupt a few times just to say some observations. But without further ado,

00:11:38.620 let's play that now when things started to undo themselves between Zelensky, Trump, and J.D.

00:11:48.740 Vance, literally on the eve of the whole deal. This was practically a signing ceremony. Okay,

00:11:54.800 let's take a look.

00:11:55.400 This thing over with, you see the hatred he's got for Putin. It's very tough for me to make a deal

00:12:00.680 with that kind of hate. He's got tremendous hatred. And I understand that. But I can tell you the other

00:12:05.640 side isn't exactly in love with him either. So it's not a question of alignment. I'm aligned

00:12:13.880 with the world. I want to get the thing set. I'm aligned with Europe. I want to see if we can get

00:12:20.380 this thing done. You want me to be tough? I could be tougher than any human being you've ever seen.

00:12:25.760 I'd be so tough. But you're never going to get a deal that way. So that's the way it goes.

00:12:30.640 All right, one more question. I would respond to this. So look.

00:12:34.620 Let me stop right there. So right there, Zelensky had complained about Putin. It was

00:12:42.820 sort of trash talking Putin, which is completely understandable. But Trump said, whoa, if we're

00:12:48.520 going to get a deal done here, that kind of rhetoric's not working. The other side appeals

00:12:52.300 the same way. I'm not going to be aligned. I'm the deal maker. So Trump was sort of gently

00:12:58.240 tapping down Zelensky, not in a rough way, but just saying, look, our alignment here is to get

00:13:03.880 a peace deal. And J.D. Vance, I think something was pricked inside him. And he felt like Vladimir

00:13:13.840 Zelensky by, it was just before this clip starts, by sort of turning this meeting into a criticism of

00:13:22.480 the other party, Vladimir Putin, maybe wasn't respectful enough of Trump's role. And he says

00:13:28.860 so. And here's where it all starts to unfold. Take a look at J.D. Vance.

00:13:33.560 Four years in the United States of America, we had a president who stood up at press conferences

00:13:37.660 and talked tough about Vladimir Putin. And then Putin invaded Ukraine and destroyed a significant

00:13:43.540 chunk of the country. The path to peace and the path to prosperity is maybe engaging in diplomacy.

00:13:50.480 We tried the pathway of Joe Biden, of thumping our chest and pretending that the president

00:13:56.860 of the United States's words mattered more than the president of the United States's actions.

00:14:02.000 What makes America a good country is America engaging in diplomacy. That's what President

00:14:06.740 Trump is doing. Can I ask you? Sure.

00:14:10.040 Yeah. Yeah. OK. So he occupied it.

00:14:14.140 Our parts, big parts of Ukraine, parts of East and Crimea. So he occupied it on 2014.

00:14:24.520 So during a lot of years, I'm not speaking about just Biden, but those time was Obama, then President

00:14:33.120 Obama, then President Trump, then President Biden, now President Trump and God bless. Now President

00:14:39.100 Trump will stop him. But during 2014, nobody stopped him. He just occupied and took. He killed

00:14:45.540 people. You know what the contact line?

00:14:47.280 2015.

00:14:48.980 2014.

00:14:49.480 2014 and 2014.

00:14:50.480 2014.

00:14:51.160 Yeah.

00:14:51.660 So he killed...

00:14:52.620 I was not here.

00:14:53.380 Yeah.

00:14:53.780 That's exactly right.

00:14:54.740 Yes. But during 2014 until 2022, the situation was the same. People have been dying on the contact

00:15:04.260 line. Nobody stopped him. You know that we had conversations with him, a lot of conversations,

00:15:10.360 my bilateral conversation. And we signed with him, me, like a new president in 2019. I signed

00:15:17.840 with him the deal. I signed with him, Macron and Merkel. We signed ceasefire. Ceasefire.

00:15:25.500 All of them told me that he will never go. We signed him with gas contract. Gas contract.

00:15:33.560 Yes. But after that, he broken this ceasefire. He killed our people and he didn't exchange

00:15:39.640 prisoners. We signed the exchange of prisoners, but he didn't do it. What kind of diplomacy,

00:15:46.940 J.D., you are speaking about? What do you mean?

00:15:50.380 I'm talking about the kind of diplomacy that's going to end the destruction of your country.

00:15:54.020 Yes. But if you...

00:15:55.020 Mr. President, Mr. President, with respect, I think it's disrespectful for you to come

00:15:58.400 into the Oval Office and try to litigate this in front of the American media. Right now,

00:16:01.920 you guys are going around and forcing conscripts to the front lines because you have manpower

00:16:06.960 problems. You should be thanking the president for trying to bring it into this conflict.

00:16:11.220 Have you ever been to Ukraine that you say what problems we have?

00:16:15.640 Look, what he said there about litigating things in public, I think that's what pricked J.D.

00:16:21.980 Vance. I don't think it surprised him or even so much upset him that Zelensky was sort of arguing

00:16:28.760 and grouchy, being grouchy about diplomacy, including when Trump was president between

00:16:34.260 2016 and 2020. I don't think that's actually what bothered J.D. Vance, because I believe

00:16:39.340 that Vladimir Zelensky has had to suffer a number of indignities in this peace treaty process.

00:16:46.800 Of course he does, and of course he will. But as J.D. Vance said, to litigate it in public,

00:16:54.280 to hash it out in public, it's not going to make a deal any more likely. And J.D. Vance said,

00:17:00.880 diplomacy is the way. And Zelensky said, what kind of diplomacy is that? And it was the defiance and

00:17:10.100 the fact that he had not yet submitted himself to this peace process that I think lit the fuse and

00:17:18.420 watched that fuse explode. Keep watching.

00:17:20.740 I have been to... I've actually watched and seen the stories, and I know what happens is you bring

00:17:29.300 people, you bring them on a propaganda tour, Mr. President. Do you disagree that you've had

00:17:34.340 problems bringing people into your military? And do you think that it's respectful to come to the

00:17:39.840 Oval Office of the United States of America and attack the administration that is trying to

00:17:44.000 prevent the destruction of your country? A lot of questions. Let's start from the beginning.

00:17:48.780 First of all, during the war, everybody has problems. Even you. But you have nice ocean,

00:17:55.520 and don't feel now. But you will feel it in the future. God bless. You don't know that.

00:18:01.120 God bless. God bless. You will not have the war. Don't tell us what we're going to feel.

00:18:05.740 We're trying to solve... Stop right there. So again, the thing about a deal, there's a phrase in law,

00:18:14.240 the meeting of the minds. You never have a deal until the two minds have interlocked and agreed on

00:18:22.180 things. If one side still feels like he's arguing, if one side still feels like he hasn't had his

00:18:28.480 points reflected, you don't have a deal. And so like I say again, that Zelensky was in Washington to ink

00:18:36.420 up the deals. I understand he already signed the mineral deal. But here he is, he's complaining.

00:18:42.800 And do you see, he said something there that I think pricked Donald Trump. And I'm going to come

00:18:46.620 back to Trump's emotional sensibilities and why that's important for Canadians to learn.

00:18:52.400 But he said, I don't know if he caught that, Zelensky said,

00:18:55.040 you will feel this later when Vladimir Putin comes for you because you're thousands of miles

00:19:02.440 away across the ocean. And I'm sure that Zelensky does believe that. I think Zelensky thinks he is

00:19:10.120 the last bulwark stopping Putin from bursting into the rest of Europe and then eventually into America.

00:19:17.000 Whereas Trump, and I think a growing number of Americans, according to pollsters, think,

00:19:22.040 no, no, no, no, you're not doing us a favor. We were doing you a favor by giving you all this

00:19:27.120 money and weaponry. And I don't know, maybe the truth is somewhere in between. I mean,

00:19:32.620 Boris Johnson says that we were using Zelensky in Ukraine as a weapon. So, I mean, maybe there is

00:19:41.740 a little bit of truth all around. Maybe Russia, it would be deterred from attacking the West based on

00:19:50.020 how it went for them in Ukraine. I don't know. But I do know this. This was supposed to be a

00:19:54.660 harmonious meeting where Donald Trump gets a diplomatic win and Zelensky gets the war ended,

00:20:00.920 not in a perfect way, but in a way that stops the killing. And J.D. Vance needled him a bit by saying,

00:20:08.180 you're so out of men. So many young men have died in the meat grinder of this war that you're literally

00:20:13.740 grabbing conscripts on the street. The average age of the Ukrainian soldier is now 43. 43.

00:20:22.660 They've burned through their young men, those who haven't fled the country. And J.D. Vance is

00:20:27.920 prickling back at Zelensky. And obviously, he's irritated and prickling back. This is not a signing

00:20:33.640 ceremony. This is not someone who has come to terms, consensus at Edom, meeting of the minds. It

00:20:40.720 hasn't happened yet. Keep watching. And boy, he said something that prickled Trump when he said,

00:20:46.060 you will pay the price later for this, is essentially, I think, what Trump heard.

00:20:52.000 Keep rolling the tape.

00:20:53.640 Problem. Don't tell us what we're going to feel.

00:20:55.940 I'm not telling you.

00:20:56.820 Because you're in no position to dictate that. Remember this.

00:20:59.740 You're in no position to dictate what we're going to feel.

00:21:04.000 You will. We're going to feel very good.

00:21:05.960 You will feel influenced.

00:21:06.760 We're going to feel very good and very strong.

00:21:09.140 You will feel influenced.

00:21:10.340 You're right now not in a very good position.

00:21:12.880 You've allowed yourself to be in a very bad position.

00:21:15.660 And he happens to be right about it.

00:21:16.820 From the very beginning of the war.

00:21:18.500 You're not in a good position.

00:21:20.060 You don't have the cards right now.

00:21:21.840 Let's stop right now.

00:21:22.160 Now, on paper, these two men are equals.

00:21:28.360 One is the president of Ukraine.

00:21:29.680 One is the president of the United States of America.

00:21:35.100 I sometimes paddle a canoe.

00:21:38.020 I sometimes drive a little fishing boat.

00:21:41.020 And it is legally true that I am as much a captain of my little fishing boat

00:21:46.560 as the captain of a mighty aircraft carrier is.

00:21:50.300 We're both equal.

00:21:52.160 That way.

00:21:52.720 But no, there is not actually an equality between these two men.

00:21:56.700 And Trump is trying to say, in a diplomatic way,

00:22:00.780 he's saying you don't have any cards to play.

00:22:03.480 Did you hear him say that repeatedly?

00:22:05.460 And Zelensky is talking over Trump.

00:22:09.380 And I get it if you're fighting with Trump.

00:22:11.760 I get it if you disagree with Trump and you're not going to sign a deal.

00:22:14.700 But I think you've got to pick a lane.

00:22:16.420 Are you going to sign the deal or not?

00:22:17.840 And Trump is trying, in his own way, to say, you and what army?

00:22:24.040 And that's the problem with this whole war, I think, is that the people who are talking the toughest,

00:22:30.040 Kayakalas, so much of Europe, have denuded their militaries.

00:22:34.540 Even in the United Kingdom, their military is falling apart.

00:22:39.740 And it really is just America.

00:22:42.420 And so if you come to the paymaster of all of it, you come to the country from which all the weapons come,

00:22:47.520 all the high-tech weapons especially, and you're quarreling with the president,

00:22:55.020 and you're talking over him, this is a guy who does business deals his whole life.

00:23:01.480 And he's looking at Zelensky and saying, why are you arguing with me?

00:23:04.640 You have no better option.

00:23:06.760 You have no better deal.

00:23:08.040 All right, keep playing the tape.

00:23:09.380 With us, you start having cars.

00:23:12.100 I'm not playing cars.

00:23:12.600 Right now, you're playing cars.

00:23:15.000 You're playing cars.

00:23:16.180 You're gambling with the lives of millions of people.

00:23:18.920 You're gambling with World War III.

00:23:21.380 You're gambling with World War III.

00:23:24.660 And what you're doing is very disrespectful to the country, this country,

00:23:29.720 that's backed you far more than a lot of people said they should have.

00:23:34.060 Have you said thank you once in this entire meeting?

00:23:36.420 There's a lot of times.

00:23:36.760 No, in this entire meeting, have you said thank you?

00:23:38.920 Even today.

00:23:39.380 You went to Pennsylvania and Canada.

00:23:42.040 Have you said thank you once?

00:23:45.180 I bet you that sounds like a shock to Zelensky's ears

00:23:48.660 because I think he has convinced himself of the European view,

00:23:53.140 which is that he is the hero.

00:23:55.360 And certainly, Justin Trudeau has told him that,

00:23:57.600 and Christoph Friedman has told him that,

00:23:59.360 and Emmanuel Macron has told him that,

00:24:01.080 Keir Starmer has told him that.

00:24:02.060 You are the hero who is saving the world from Vladimir Putin.

00:24:06.200 And he comes to America, these gauche, right-wing cowboys.

00:24:11.980 And here is J.D. Vance saying,

00:24:14.520 did you even say thank you today?

00:24:16.900 Which is not a substantive question, really.

00:24:19.240 It's a stylistic question.

00:24:21.620 But it goes to attitude and tone.

00:24:26.960 The United States of America is trying to save Ukraine

00:24:29.420 from being completely devoured.

00:24:30.740 And it's no longer going to do so militarily.

00:24:33.460 It's going to do so diplomatically.

00:24:35.160 And I think that that question landed with a shock on Zelensky's ears.

00:24:40.080 And to see the quarrel, and by the way,

00:24:41.600 when Donald Trump says this war could lead to World War III,

00:24:46.100 that is a possibility.

00:24:48.140 As I mentioned before,

00:24:49.140 North Korea has sort of a brigade of mercenaries

00:24:52.680 fighting against Ukrainians.

00:24:54.480 So there are other countries involved.

00:24:56.400 Of course, there are mercenaries for all countries involved.

00:25:01.700 There has been outrageous talk about using nuclear weapons.

00:25:06.500 There's been talk about using long-range cruise weapons,

00:25:09.660 including one called Storm Shadow,

00:25:11.860 to shoot deep into Russia.

00:25:14.080 Like there's all sorts of ways this could careen out of control.

00:25:17.280 And if you think of Donald Trump as the America first guy

00:25:21.120 who doesn't want foreign entanglements,

00:25:22.860 he's got to be thinking,

00:25:24.380 why would I be dragged into World War III,

00:25:26.900 let alone why am I paying for all this?

00:25:29.120 Let's get out of it,

00:25:30.140 and let's let everyone have some dignity.

00:25:33.160 And it makes me think of the Abraham Accords.

00:25:36.660 Could you imagine all the backroom arguing and complaining

00:25:40.780 and accusations between Israel and Bahrain

00:25:45.780 and the United Arab Emirates and Sudan?

00:25:48.480 And I think maybe Morocco was in the first wave of that.

00:25:51.680 And can you imagine,

00:25:52.460 I mean, there must have been enormous quarreling.

00:25:54.580 There must have been a thousand years worth

00:25:56.160 of pent-up quarrels,

00:25:57.460 but they kept it behind the scenes.

00:25:59.480 And then they hammered out a deal

00:26:00.780 that I'm sure had, you know,

00:26:03.220 cost some benefits to everyone,

00:26:04.540 but that's what a deal is.

00:26:06.520 And even during,

00:26:08.400 let me just shift gears a little bit.

00:26:10.780 Even during Joe Biden's presidency,

00:26:13.640 when Benjamin Netanyahu would appear on camera

00:26:16.620 with Joe Biden or Antony Blinken,

00:26:18.500 the Secretary of State,

00:26:20.440 you know that both sides hated each other.

00:26:23.440 But Netanyahu didn't engage

00:26:25.680 in this kind of belligerent badgering,

00:26:28.120 heckling, and embarrassing his host.

00:26:30.980 I just think this is the most astonishing thing.

00:26:33.320 Here, let's play this a little bit more.

00:26:34.580 Keep watching.

00:26:35.660 Campaign for the opposition in October

00:26:37.720 offers some words of appreciation

00:26:39.920 for the United States of America

00:26:41.540 and the president who's trying to save your country.

00:26:46.380 Please, you think that

00:26:48.240 if you will speak very loudly about the war,

00:26:51.220 you can...

00:26:51.480 He's not speaking loudly.

00:26:52.480 He's not speaking loudly.

00:26:53.820 Your country's in big trouble.

00:26:55.440 Can I answer?

00:26:56.180 No, no.

00:26:56.540 You've done a lot of talking.

00:26:57.960 Your country is in big trouble.

00:26:59.600 I know.

00:27:00.480 You're not winning.

00:27:01.220 You're not winning this.

00:27:02.700 You have a damn good chance

00:27:04.440 of coming out okay because of us.

00:27:06.180 Mr. President,

00:27:06.920 we are staying in our country,

00:27:08.440 staying strong from the very beginning of the war.

00:27:10.940 We've been alone.

00:27:12.100 And we are thankful.

00:27:13.060 I said thanks in this cabinet.

00:27:15.220 You haven't been alone.

00:27:15.720 You haven't been alone.

00:27:16.320 We gave you through this stupid president

00:27:18.500 $350 billion.

00:27:20.700 You voted for your president.

00:27:22.160 We gave you military equipment.

00:27:22.940 You voted for your president.

00:27:23.780 And you met a brave,

00:27:24.400 but they had to use our military...

00:27:25.940 If you didn't have our military equipment,

00:27:28.980 if you didn't have our military equipment,

00:27:32.060 this war would have been over in two weeks.

00:27:34.500 In three days.

00:27:35.340 I heard it from Putin.

00:27:36.620 In three days.

00:27:37.780 This is something new.

00:27:38.280 Maybe less.

00:27:39.020 In two weeks.

00:27:39.780 Of course, yes.

00:27:40.600 It's going to be a very hard thing

00:27:41.740 to do business like this.

00:27:43.240 I tell you, just say thank you.

00:27:45.440 I said it all the time to say it

00:27:47.600 to American people.

00:27:48.880 Except that there are disagreements,

00:27:50.560 and let's go litigate those disagreements

00:27:52.560 rather than trying to fight it out

00:27:54.300 in the American media when you're wrong.

00:27:56.720 We know that you're wrong.

00:27:57.560 But you see, I think it's good

00:27:58.660 for the American people

00:27:59.940 to see what's going on.

00:28:00.840 I understand.

00:28:01.460 I think it's very important.

00:28:02.440 That's why I kept this going so long.

00:28:05.100 You have to be thankful.

00:28:06.840 You don't have the cards.

00:28:07.840 I'm thankful.

00:28:08.540 You're buried there.

00:28:09.940 Your people are dying.

00:28:11.080 I can tell you.

00:28:11.780 You're running low on soldiers.

00:28:13.240 Don't listen.

00:28:16.960 Everyone in that room

00:28:18.120 knew how unusual this was.

00:28:19.420 And by the way,

00:28:19.900 it was packed with reporters.

00:28:21.820 And J.D. Vance makes the point again.

00:28:23.280 Why are you litigating this out in public?

00:28:26.360 I think that's J.D. Vance's way of saying,

00:28:28.080 listen, everything you're saying is legitimate

00:28:29.840 or at least is heartfelt.

00:28:32.920 And you can, you know,

00:28:33.800 there's nothing illegitimate about complaining

00:28:35.740 about, you know, he said we were alone.

00:28:38.040 Trump said, no, you weren't.

00:28:38.960 You had our money and weapons.

00:28:40.080 But it's okay to say you felt alone

00:28:42.520 because it's true.

00:28:43.380 No other country's soldiers

00:28:45.220 had boots on the ground.

00:28:46.380 So in that sense, he was alone.

00:28:48.880 And I think the number,

00:28:50.400 if I was on Zelensky's staff,

00:28:53.820 the number one argument I would use privately,

00:28:56.760 not publicly,

00:28:57.460 is you told us to keep fighting.

00:29:00.600 You told us never to negotiate,

00:29:03.780 never to have a ceasefire.

00:29:05.040 They had a peace treaty almost done three years ago.

00:29:08.080 And Boris Johnson came and ordered Zelensky

00:29:10.420 not to sign him.

00:29:12.520 That would be my private argument.

00:29:14.320 I would say to America,

00:29:15.460 we are in this disastrous war

00:29:17.880 because you egged us on the whole time.

00:29:20.920 You forbade us from having ceasefires.

00:29:23.080 You scuppered the deal.

00:29:24.800 How can you hang us out to dry now?

00:29:27.080 That's what I would say

00:29:27.900 if I was a Zelensky staffer.

00:29:29.780 But even after J.D. Vance,

00:29:31.600 for what, the second or third time,

00:29:33.580 says don't fight with us in public.

00:29:36.380 Are you hearing what he's saying?

00:29:38.100 He's saying don't do this in front of the cameras.

00:29:41.780 Do this in private.

00:29:43.280 Let it all out in private.

00:29:45.400 And even now,

00:29:47.500 Trump is talking and Zelensky's talking over him.

00:29:51.520 And I'm not saying you have to treat

00:29:54.180 Donald Trump like a king,

00:29:55.960 but how about use your noggin a bit?

00:29:58.260 Do you want to win the argument

00:30:00.180 but lose the negotiation?

00:30:02.700 If you swallow your pride a little,

00:30:04.340 you know, there's one thing you'll notice

00:30:05.920 about every cabinet secretary

00:30:08.160 in the Trump administration.

00:30:10.240 Whenever they're about to announce something awesome,

00:30:13.960 they always say,

00:30:15.880 under Donald Trump's leadership,

00:30:17.480 or with Donald Trump as the president,

00:30:19.560 they always give the kudos

00:30:22.040 and the credit to the boss.

00:30:24.380 Now, by the way, it's true.

00:30:25.680 If it weren't for Trump,

00:30:26.560 none of the cabinet would be appointed.

00:30:28.440 They are all his appointees.

00:30:30.440 They are successful because of his coattails.

00:30:33.600 So it is literally true.

00:30:36.460 But of course, it also makes Trump feel good.

00:30:38.820 And it also shows some loyalty to Trump,

00:30:41.120 which I think is necessary,

00:30:42.640 or at least understandable,

00:30:44.060 because in his entire first term,

00:30:46.940 half of his appointees were disloyal.

00:30:49.380 Half of his appointees were trying to undo

00:30:51.280 his mandate and his projects.

00:30:54.500 So put aside how you feel,

00:30:57.600 or put aside,

00:30:58.400 oh, we don't need to be so submissive to Trump.

00:31:01.340 Well, how about have a get ahead?

00:31:04.200 You know, they say,

00:31:04.840 don't get mad,

00:31:05.780 don't get even,

00:31:06.720 get ahead.

00:31:08.660 Vladimir Zelensky is getting mad.

00:31:11.520 He's certainly not getting even,

00:31:12.840 and oh my God,

00:31:13.640 is he not getting ahead.

00:31:14.940 And I just find it astonishing

00:31:19.640 what he has given up here.

00:31:21.900 For what reason?

00:31:23.120 Just because he couldn't,

00:31:24.180 he couldn't come in and say,

00:31:25.800 Mr. President,

00:31:26.820 thank you for using your power

00:31:29.660 and charisma and credentials

00:31:33.180 to get a deal done to say,

00:31:34.800 like, how about just,

00:31:36.860 you know, there's an old British saying,

00:31:39.060 a diplomat is someone

00:31:41.200 who lies abroad for his country.

00:31:43.560 And if you know the source of that,

00:31:46.340 it was a,

00:31:47.320 it was sort of a triple pun.

00:31:49.240 To lie abroad is what a battleship does

00:31:51.300 when it,

00:31:51.880 when it uses its guns sideways

00:31:53.740 and to lie abroad.

00:31:55.180 Of course,

00:31:55.720 you're telling lies abroad.

00:31:57.600 A diplomat is someone

00:31:58.520 who lies abroad for his country.

00:32:00.780 And Zelensky

00:32:01.800 could just tell some white lies.

00:32:04.260 Mr. President,

00:32:04.880 you're super awesome.

00:32:06.080 Mr. President,

00:32:06.740 I thank you so much.

00:32:07.700 And he would have gotten this deal done.

00:32:09.680 Instead,

00:32:10.200 I'll give away the ending.

00:32:11.740 They basically kicked him

00:32:12.760 out of the White House.

00:32:13.360 They canceled

00:32:14.040 a formal press conference

00:32:15.940 and they sent him out with dinner.

00:32:17.540 Anyway,

00:32:17.660 let's watch the final moments.

00:32:20.320 You're running low on soldiers.

00:32:22.540 It would be a damn good thing.

00:32:23.840 And then you tell us,

00:32:25.520 I don't want a ceasefire.

00:32:26.800 I don't want a ceasefire.

00:32:28.040 I want to go

00:32:28.720 and I want this.

00:32:30.140 Look,

00:32:31.280 if you could get a ceasefire right now,

00:32:33.340 I'd tell you,

00:32:33.800 you'd take it

00:32:34.380 so the bullets stop flying

00:32:35.720 and your men stop getting killed.

00:32:37.380 Of course,

00:32:37.620 we want to stop the war.

00:32:38.840 But I said to you,

00:32:40.800 I want a ceasefire.

00:32:41.480 With guarantees.

00:32:42.320 Because you'll get a ceasefire

00:32:43.460 faster than an agreement.

00:32:44.540 Ask our people about ceasefire.

00:32:46.460 What they think.

00:32:47.340 It doesn't matter for you

00:32:48.980 what it means.

00:32:49.260 That wasn't with me.

00:32:50.860 That was with a guy named Biden

00:32:52.900 who was not a smart person.

00:32:54.620 That was with Obama.

00:32:56.600 It was your president.

00:32:57.580 Excuse me.

00:32:58.180 That was with Obama

00:32:59.140 who gave you sheets

00:33:00.120 and I gave you javelins.

00:33:01.780 Yes.

00:33:02.080 I gave you the javelins

00:33:03.440 to take out all those tanks.

00:33:05.360 Obama gave you sheets.

00:33:07.700 In fact,

00:33:08.280 the statement is

00:33:09.140 Obama gave sheets

00:33:10.420 and Trump gave javelins.

00:33:12.840 What he's talking about

00:33:14.260 is blankets, actually.

00:33:15.760 I don't know why

00:33:16.180 he's saying sheets.

00:33:18.060 Obama didn't give

00:33:19.340 the same lethal weapons.

00:33:22.480 He gave humanitarian weapons.

00:33:25.160 Not even weapons.

00:33:26.620 Blankets.

00:33:27.040 But put aside

00:33:29.580 that factual detail there.

00:33:32.100 Look at the bickering.

00:33:32.960 Look at the arguing.

00:33:33.740 Look at the interrupting.

00:33:35.380 And most Americans

00:33:37.100 don't really know much

00:33:38.280 about Vladimir Zelensky

00:33:39.420 other than he's a foreign guy

00:33:41.220 who never wears a suit,

00:33:44.140 who asks for a lot of money.

00:33:46.980 And now,

00:33:47.800 when he's being asked repeatedly

00:33:49.180 to be a little bit polite,

00:33:52.020 a little deferential

00:33:52.800 to say thank you,

00:33:54.580 he's arguing.

00:33:55.740 I can only imagine

00:33:57.800 Vladimir Putin

00:33:58.580 and the Russian foreign ministry

00:34:00.460 watching this video

00:34:01.680 just shocked.

00:34:05.960 Shocked and stunned.

00:34:09.700 Vladimir Zelensky,

00:34:10.980 in the course of 20 minutes,

00:34:13.800 I believe,

00:34:15.080 has done more damage

00:34:16.580 to his reputation

00:34:17.480 in the United States,

00:34:18.720 or at least to Republicans.

00:34:20.140 And by the way,

00:34:20.740 right now they can control

00:34:22.040 all the branches

00:34:23.140 of the government.

00:34:23.700 In terms of support

00:34:28.360 for more funding

00:34:30.560 or support to drag this on,

00:34:32.160 I think Vladimir Zelensky,

00:34:33.500 if he could have just

00:34:34.780 kept it together

00:34:36.320 and smile and wave

00:34:37.920 and smile and wave.

00:34:39.260 Just think that you're like

00:34:40.740 the queen or the king.

00:34:41.780 Just smile and wave.

00:34:43.320 Smile and wave.

00:34:44.180 If you could just suck it up

00:34:45.520 for 10 more minutes,

00:34:46.420 it would have been done.

00:34:47.780 Instead,

00:34:48.080 he was booted out.

00:34:48.800 Okay, watch the rest.

00:34:49.500 You've got to be more thankful

00:34:52.880 because let me tell you,

00:34:54.680 you don't have the cards.

00:34:56.160 With us,

00:34:56.760 you have the cards.

00:34:58.000 But without us,

00:34:58.920 you don't have any cards.

00:35:00.160 One more question

00:35:00.960 to Mr. Vice President.

00:35:03.080 I'm sorry.

00:35:03.820 It's going to be a tough deal

00:35:04.640 to make

00:35:05.120 because the attitudes

00:35:06.720 have to change.

00:35:08.160 What if Russia

00:35:09.280 breaks this fire?

00:35:10.720 What if Russia...

00:35:11.500 The attitudes

00:35:13.640 have to change.

00:35:15.820 It's true.

00:35:17.180 A lot of deal-making

00:35:18.380 is based on

00:35:19.380 personal connection

00:35:20.320 and trust.

00:35:23.540 And

00:35:23.840 I've just never seen

00:35:26.940 anything like that.

00:35:27.800 And all I've been thinking of

00:35:29.260 since I saw that

00:35:29.960 earlier today

00:35:30.580 was who was speaking

00:35:32.160 in Vladimir Zelensky's ear?

00:35:34.920 Who put him

00:35:36.260 in that frame of mind?

00:35:37.100 Or is that his natural state?

00:35:38.800 Hey, I want to show you

00:35:39.600 a very short clip.

00:35:40.420 This is the

00:35:41.700 Ukrainian ambassador

00:35:44.060 to America.

00:35:46.420 Take a look at her

00:35:47.260 just watching

00:35:48.820 what was going on

00:35:49.940 and just putting

00:35:51.480 her head in her hands

00:35:52.420 and thinking

00:35:52.980 this can't be salvaged.

00:35:55.960 I truly feel bad for her.

00:35:59.080 This was

00:35:59.700 the Hindenburg

00:36:01.900 of diplomatic

00:36:03.740 blow-ups.

00:36:06.160 I've just never seen

00:36:06.780 anything like it.

00:36:07.660 Do you know

00:36:07.940 who Lindsey Graham is?

00:36:08.920 He's a Republican

00:36:09.800 senator.

00:36:11.700 He's a real hawk.

00:36:13.400 He's very hawkish

00:36:14.220 on war.

00:36:16.180 He was for

00:36:16.740 wars in the Middle East,

00:36:18.240 for wars in Ukraine.

00:36:19.260 He's visited Ukraine

00:36:20.160 about 10 times.

00:36:22.800 He always votes for

00:36:24.240 and supports

00:36:24.900 more money for Ukraine.

00:36:26.440 He watched this exchange

00:36:28.020 and he

00:36:29.660 was stunned

00:36:30.860 by it.

00:36:32.260 Here, watch

00:36:32.820 Lindsey Graham,

00:36:34.540 who's never voted

00:36:35.700 against a military

00:36:36.720 appropriation

00:36:37.560 or a war

00:36:38.240 in his life.

00:36:39.380 I think it's all

00:36:40.100 he lives for.

00:36:41.640 And listen to him

00:36:42.560 saying

00:36:42.940 he wouldn't do

00:36:44.540 any business with,

00:36:45.780 he just doesn't think

00:36:46.680 he can do any business

00:36:47.440 with Zelensky anymore.

00:36:48.580 And he was shocked by it

00:36:49.600 and he said

00:36:49.860 he's never been more

00:36:50.480 proud of Trump.

00:36:51.240 Take a look at this.

00:36:51.940 So, what do I think?

00:36:58.560 Complete, utter disaster.

00:37:01.260 I've been to Ukraine

00:37:02.620 eight or nine times

00:37:04.400 since the war started.

00:37:06.040 I understand the consequences

00:37:07.740 of Putin's actions

00:37:09.520 against Ukraine.

00:37:11.160 I appreciate what

00:37:12.220 the Ukrainian people

00:37:13.120 have done.

00:37:13.680 They fought like tigers.

00:37:15.640 At the end of the day,

00:37:17.160 I was hoping

00:37:17.900 that this minerals deal,

00:37:19.780 which would be transformative

00:37:21.040 in the relationship

00:37:22.180 would go over well.

00:37:24.360 I talked to Zelensky

00:37:25.500 this morning.

00:37:26.720 Don't take the bait.

00:37:28.440 President Trump

00:37:29.160 was in a very good mood

00:37:30.400 last night.

00:37:31.440 Somebody asked me,

00:37:33.080 am I embarrassed

00:37:34.020 about Trump?

00:37:34.840 I have never been

00:37:35.660 more proud of the president.

00:37:37.260 I was very proud

00:37:38.240 of J.D. Vance

00:37:39.420 standing up

00:37:40.840 for our country.

00:37:42.160 We want to be helpful.

00:37:43.820 What I saw

00:37:44.460 in the Oval Office

00:37:45.320 was disrespectful,

00:37:47.080 and I don't know

00:37:48.020 if we can ever do business

00:37:49.440 with Zelensky again.

00:37:51.660 I think most Americans

00:37:53.820 saw a guy

00:37:55.120 that they would not

00:37:55.860 want to go in business with.

00:37:57.400 The way he handled

00:37:58.340 the meeting,

00:37:59.640 the way he confronted

00:38:00.560 the president,

00:38:01.820 was just over the top.

00:38:04.020 So I think

00:38:04.800 the relationship

00:38:05.640 between Ukraine

00:38:07.980 and America

00:38:08.860 is important,

00:38:10.260 vitally important.

00:38:11.660 But can Zelensky

00:38:13.020 do a deal

00:38:14.780 with the United States

00:38:15.780 after what I saw?

00:38:17.120 I don't know.

00:38:18.340 Senator,

00:38:18.860 two questions.

00:38:20.600 What did President Trump say?

00:38:21.800 You just had lunch

00:38:22.580 with President Trump.

00:38:23.440 What did he say to you

00:38:24.420 about his interactions

00:38:25.480 and whether he thinks

00:38:26.360 he's a...

00:38:26.380 He was shocked.

00:38:28.280 He was very upbeat.

00:38:30.640 I told Zelensky,

00:38:31.940 we'll talk about

00:38:32.800 security guarantees.

00:38:34.460 We'll talk about

00:38:35.320 ceasefires

00:38:35.980 and how the war ends.

00:38:37.500 This is a process.

00:38:39.180 You have a new relationship

00:38:40.540 with America,

00:38:41.980 a $500 billion,

00:38:43.500 half a trillion dollar deal

00:38:45.120 that President Trump

00:38:46.500 is proud of

00:38:47.380 that gives us

00:38:48.320 an interest

00:38:48.900 worth defending.

00:38:50.280 Let's talk about

00:38:51.040 the positive.

00:38:52.340 But he was terrible

00:38:53.440 at Munich,

00:38:55.240 Zelensky,

00:38:56.180 and I think

00:38:56.800 he has made it

00:38:57.580 almost impossible

00:38:58.740 to sell to the

00:38:59.900 American people

00:39:00.720 that he's a good

00:39:02.060 investment,

00:39:03.280 that he is a good

00:39:04.300 business partner.

00:39:05.960 Last question.

00:39:07.200 Senator,

00:39:08.120 Senator,

00:39:08.620 one at a time.

00:39:11.620 One at a time.

00:39:13.040 Christian daytime.

00:39:13.960 Christian daytime.

00:39:14.400 Thank you.

00:39:15.660 Do you think

00:39:16.280 President Zelensky

00:39:17.200 needs to resign

00:39:18.120 to assume these peace

00:39:19.140 moments?

00:39:19.240 He either needs

00:39:20.080 to resign

00:39:20.900 and send somebody

00:39:22.040 over that we can

00:39:22.940 do business with

00:39:23.920 or he needs

00:39:24.860 to change.

00:39:26.080 You know,

00:39:26.980 Donald Trump

00:39:27.660 was stern,

00:39:28.980 but throughout it

00:39:29.740 he had a sense

00:39:30.620 of kindness.

00:39:31.700 He said things like,

00:39:33.000 your men are brave,

00:39:34.300 they fought bravely.

00:39:35.140 He said that

00:39:35.740 several times.

00:39:37.180 He just kept

00:39:38.000 coming back

00:39:38.560 to his phrase,

00:39:39.680 you don't have

00:39:40.400 any cards to play.

00:39:42.180 Or,

00:39:42.680 I would use the phrase,

00:39:43.580 you and what army?

00:39:45.100 Because I think

00:39:45.660 at the end of the day

00:39:46.340 that's what it is.

00:39:47.780 And this,

00:39:48.940 watching the reaction

00:39:50.180 to this conflagration

00:39:51.740 has been

00:39:52.220 quite something.

00:39:55.760 People who hate Trump

00:39:57.160 pounce on and say,

00:39:58.340 look,

00:39:58.520 he's throwing

00:39:59.180 Zelensky

00:40:00.340 to the wolves.

00:40:01.420 He is,

00:40:02.720 I saw a lot of comments

00:40:04.000 that Trump

00:40:05.340 was more brutal

00:40:06.120 with Zelensky

00:40:06.820 than Putin.

00:40:07.760 Of course,

00:40:08.920 that's not true.

00:40:09.880 Zelensky,

00:40:11.200 Putin

00:40:11.840 has killed

00:40:12.880 hundreds of thousands

00:40:13.680 of Ukrainians.

00:40:15.480 But rhetorically,

00:40:17.000 Putin is probably

00:40:18.840 more reserved.

00:40:20.900 But,

00:40:21.620 I think

00:40:22.760 this is a moment

00:40:24.140 for the entire

00:40:24.920 Western world

00:40:25.800 to sort of

00:40:27.080 grow up a bit.

00:40:28.540 And,

00:40:29.020 this is my message

00:40:30.240 to Canada's leaders too.

00:40:32.980 Donald Trump

00:40:33.480 is a very

00:40:34.260 unusual,

00:40:35.860 powerful,

00:40:37.380 and

00:40:37.860 public man.

00:40:40.500 The fact that he

00:40:41.440 had this public dispute

00:40:42.940 and kept it going,

00:40:44.460 and the fact that he

00:40:46.000 tweets in the way

00:40:46.740 that he does,

00:40:47.320 the fact that he

00:40:47.860 bluntly says

00:40:49.120 whatever's on his mind,

00:40:50.080 even if he changes

00:40:50.800 his mind shortly

00:40:51.540 thereafter,

00:40:52.740 he's very unusual

00:40:53.720 and I'd even say

00:40:54.620 unique.

00:40:55.920 The fact that he

00:40:56.740 happens to be

00:40:57.240 the world's,

00:40:58.160 the leader of the

00:40:58.820 world's most rich

00:41:00.060 and most powerful

00:41:00.840 country

00:41:01.680 is why it's

00:41:02.880 so interesting.

00:41:04.140 There's a lesson

00:41:04.980 here,

00:41:05.280 I think,

00:41:06.380 which is,

00:41:07.100 do you want to

00:41:07.740 win the negotiation

00:41:08.580 or do you want

00:41:09.500 to win the argument?

00:41:11.740 And,

00:41:12.220 I think this shows

00:41:13.580 what happens

00:41:14.640 when you go to

00:41:15.340 Donald Trump

00:41:16.000 with demands

00:41:17.940 that you just

00:41:19.140 can't fulfill,

00:41:21.000 when you do not

00:41:21.720 have the cards,

00:41:22.480 when you're writing

00:41:23.560 checks that cannot

00:41:24.480 be cashed.

00:41:25.860 And,

00:41:26.480 obviously,

00:41:27.180 that applies to Ukraine,

00:41:28.340 a country that has

00:41:29.060 been devoured by Putin,

00:41:30.680 that has really

00:41:31.640 no tax base

00:41:33.140 anymore,

00:41:34.120 an enormous number

00:41:35.940 of their people

00:41:36.580 have fled as refugees,

00:41:38.140 their land has been

00:41:39.300 annexed or conquered.

00:41:41.420 The thought that he

00:41:42.680 could show public

00:41:45.380 chutzpah towards Trump

00:41:47.060 is astonishing bad

00:41:49.020 judgment on his part,

00:41:50.180 but more than bad

00:41:51.040 judgment,

00:41:51.440 it's counterproductive.

00:41:52.880 I say again,

00:41:53.580 he was sort of

00:41:54.140 frog-marched out

00:41:55.280 of the White House,

00:41:56.360 dinner canceled,

00:41:57.520 et cetera.

00:41:57.920 It would not

00:41:59.740 surprise me,

00:42:01.040 frankly,

00:42:01.520 if he resigns

00:42:02.940 or in some way

00:42:04.040 steps aside as leader

00:42:05.100 and someone else

00:42:05.780 will finish the job.

00:42:07.340 It wouldn't surprise me

00:42:08.240 at all,

00:42:08.900 given the disaster

00:42:09.840 diplomatically here.

00:42:11.320 What happens if Trump

00:42:12.380 just says,

00:42:13.120 good luck,

00:42:14.860 good luck with you

00:42:15.600 and your European

00:42:16.220 friends?

00:42:17.700 Because that's the

00:42:18.580 alternative that Trump

00:42:19.480 is referring to

00:42:20.260 when he says,

00:42:21.020 you have no cards.

00:42:21.740 The lesson for

00:42:24.120 Canadians is,

00:42:25.620 if we actually

00:42:26.620 want to win,

00:42:29.160 don't be disrespectful,

00:42:30.720 don't poke at him,

00:42:31.640 don't insult him,

00:42:32.620 don't try to embarrass

00:42:33.820 him in the media,

00:42:35.040 especially in his

00:42:36.060 own office.

00:42:37.560 And I think if you

00:42:38.200 look how Justin

00:42:39.060 Trudeau,

00:42:39.540 Melanie Jolie,

00:42:40.940 Chrystia Freeland,

00:42:41.840 Mark Carney,

00:42:43.000 are all talking

00:42:43.940 about Trump,

00:42:44.540 and frankly,

00:42:45.280 even Pierre Polyev,

00:42:46.680 trying to flex

00:42:47.360 his anti-Trump

00:42:48.080 muscles,

00:42:49.160 lest he be

00:42:50.260 tagged as a

00:42:51.560 pro-Trump

00:42:52.200 person,

00:42:53.220 I don't think

00:42:54.060 that's the approach.

00:42:54.680 I think the approach

00:42:55.180 by Daniel Smith,

00:42:56.460 which is never

00:42:57.840 throwing Canada

00:42:58.620 under the bus,

00:42:59.600 never disparaging

00:43:00.460 Canada or any

00:43:01.340 part of Canada,

00:43:02.700 being positive

00:43:03.680 and upbeat,

00:43:04.960 being flattering

00:43:06.360 where appropriate,

00:43:07.360 and just saying,

00:43:07.940 look,

00:43:08.820 we're going to,

00:43:09.740 we are after

00:43:11.020 happy Trump,

00:43:12.780 positive Trump,

00:43:13.780 effusive Trump,

00:43:14.900 ambitious Trump,

00:43:16.380 deal-making Trump,

00:43:17.340 and we're going to

00:43:18.260 be in the right

00:43:18.900 frame of mood.

00:43:19.720 You heard the last

00:43:20.680 thing that Trump

00:43:21.260 said in that clip.

00:43:22.200 He talked about

00:43:22.920 attitude.

00:43:25.340 I think the amazing

00:43:26.680 thing about Trump

00:43:27.420 is that he can

00:43:29.660 actually work with

00:43:30.980 people who have

00:43:31.740 insulted him before.

00:43:33.100 As long as they

00:43:33.900 just fix that,

00:43:35.100 they can get along

00:43:35.780 famously.

00:43:36.600 I mean,

00:43:36.820 whether it's

00:43:37.860 Ted Cruz

00:43:38.680 or Marco Rubio,

00:43:40.240 remember he gave

00:43:40.880 them nicknames.

00:43:42.160 He said,

00:43:42.580 Lion Ted Cruz

00:43:43.560 and Little Marco.

00:43:45.100 Like,

00:43:45.240 there's so many

00:43:46.360 people in the

00:43:47.460 Republican Party

00:43:48.200 that he just

00:43:49.460 thrashed,

00:43:50.340 but they kissed

00:43:50.920 and made up

00:43:51.380 and now they're

00:43:51.800 productive friends.

00:43:53.500 And it's not just

00:43:55.360 in politics,

00:43:56.280 it's in business.

00:43:57.180 Mark Zuckerberg

00:43:57.920 had a come-to-Jesus

00:43:59.380 moment with Trump

00:44:00.260 and now Zuckerberg

00:44:01.920 has found a happy

00:44:02.780 way to coexist

00:44:04.220 and he's actually

00:44:05.140 becoming more

00:44:05.960 freedom-oriented.

00:44:06.700 I think Canada

00:44:08.360 can get through

00:44:09.600 our current

00:44:10.240 diplomatic challenge

00:44:11.640 with the United

00:44:12.140 States easily.

00:44:13.740 But I think

00:44:14.680 that we've chosen

00:44:15.620 the Zelensky

00:44:17.740 approach.

00:44:18.840 And the crazy

00:44:19.680 thing is I think

00:44:20.420 Zelensky chose it

00:44:21.480 by accident

00:44:22.700 or he was sort

00:44:23.500 of put up to it

00:44:24.360 or set up for it

00:44:25.320 or he misunderstood

00:44:26.440 the motivations

00:44:27.760 of Trump.

00:44:28.440 Maybe he actually

00:44:29.220 thought Trump

00:44:29.860 does believe

00:44:30.860 or should believe

00:44:31.740 that Ukraine

00:44:32.540 is all that's

00:44:33.200 standing between

00:44:33.860 Putin and America.

00:44:35.080 Trump doesn't

00:44:36.320 believe that.

00:44:37.440 But in the case

00:44:38.280 of Justin Trudeau,

00:44:39.260 Mark Carney,

00:44:39.760 and Chrystia Freeland,

00:44:40.940 our political class

00:44:42.280 absolutely knows

00:44:43.980 that we're not

00:44:44.480 about to be invaded

00:44:45.440 by Donald Trump

00:44:47.020 and annexed us

00:44:47.660 the 51st state.

00:44:48.780 He never said

00:44:49.320 that at all.

00:44:50.680 He never talked

00:44:51.440 about seizing

00:44:52.340 or annexing.

00:44:53.780 He suggested

00:44:55.020 that Canadians

00:44:55.720 would choose.

00:44:57.680 Our political leaders

00:44:58.560 know that it's

00:44:59.700 not a hostile act,

00:45:00.640 it's a taunt.

00:45:01.660 But they're choosing

00:45:02.640 their attitude,

00:45:04.200 they're choosing

00:45:04.700 to fight

00:45:05.160 for their own

00:45:05.600 political interests.

00:45:06.920 I don't think

00:45:07.520 it's going to work

00:45:07.980 out well for them

00:45:08.560 either.

00:45:18.140 Hey, welcome back.

00:45:19.060 You know,

00:45:19.340 instead of letters,

00:45:20.440 I want to show you

00:45:21.440 a bunch of very

00:45:22.760 good interviews

00:45:24.440 that my colleague

00:45:25.320 David Menzies

00:45:26.120 did last night

00:45:26.920 on the Ontario election.

00:45:28.880 Now, I know a lot

00:45:29.340 of our viewers

00:45:29.740 are not in Ontario,

00:45:30.980 but there was

00:45:31.960 one little occurrence

00:45:33.700 in particular

00:45:34.320 that I thought

00:45:34.860 was encouraging.

00:45:35.920 An independent

00:45:36.720 candidate named

00:45:37.620 Bobbie Ann Brady

00:45:38.460 won in her district

00:45:40.580 and won big.

00:45:42.500 And I think that

00:45:43.160 Rebel News was

00:45:43.720 the first media outlet

00:45:44.760 she spoke with

00:45:45.520 after that,

00:45:45.960 so I want to show

00:45:46.480 you that.

00:45:47.200 But I'm still

00:45:47.780 just turning over

00:45:49.020 in my mind

00:45:49.600 what I saw

00:45:50.140 in the White House.

00:45:51.040 And I have to say

00:45:52.000 the look on the

00:45:53.280 Ukrainian ambassador's

00:45:54.720 face told the

00:45:55.900 whole story.

00:45:57.160 That Zelensky,

00:45:58.420 because he just

00:45:59.120 couldn't shut up

00:46:00.420 and bite his tongue

00:46:02.100 and bear it,

00:46:03.660 I think he caused

00:46:04.800 a great disaster

00:46:05.760 for his country.

00:46:07.500 And if he truly

00:46:09.820 thinks that he can

00:46:11.100 be saved by the

00:46:11.880 European Union

00:46:12.680 or Keir Starmer

00:46:13.660 or Emmanuel Macron,

00:46:14.940 well, now's the time

00:46:15.680 for him to call

00:46:16.600 in those cards,

00:46:17.360 but I just don't

00:46:18.160 think so.

00:46:18.860 I think Trump knows

00:46:19.920 a thing or two

00:46:20.380 about negotiations.

00:46:21.780 I just,

00:46:22.340 I'm just astonished

00:46:23.600 at what happens.

00:46:24.780 And whoever gave

00:46:25.880 Zelensky that advice

00:46:27.060 made a historic

00:46:29.000 error.

00:46:30.400 And hopefully

00:46:31.120 it won't undo,

00:46:32.080 hopefully things

00:46:33.420 can be put back

00:46:34.040 together.

00:46:34.440 I don't think

00:46:34.940 Trump will have

00:46:35.560 any more time

00:46:36.120 for Zelensky personally.

00:46:37.340 And I think

00:46:37.780 Zelensky, frankly,

00:46:39.480 will probably be

00:46:41.020 shown the door

00:46:41.500 quite quickly.

00:46:42.520 My hope

00:46:43.160 is that the peace

00:46:44.320 deal is not

00:46:45.180 scuppered by this,

00:46:46.740 that someone else

00:46:48.060 can sign and

00:46:49.140 approve it on

00:46:49.700 behalf of Ukraine

00:46:50.540 and that the

00:46:51.460 terms don't change.

00:46:52.300 Although I gotta say,

00:46:54.120 if I was Vladimir

00:46:55.080 Putin right now,

00:46:56.140 I would be

00:46:56.900 ratcheting up

00:46:57.640 my demands

00:46:58.320 because I can

00:46:59.340 tell that

00:47:00.800 Trump's

00:47:01.960 frustration levels

00:47:03.940 are high.

00:47:04.880 Just an amazing

00:47:05.840 thing we've seen.

00:47:06.660 I hope it does not

00:47:07.400 lead to more

00:47:07.820 bloodshed.

00:47:09.080 All right.

00:47:09.780 Well, that's our

00:47:10.800 show for today.

00:47:11.800 Until next time,

00:47:13.000 on behalf of all

00:47:13.700 of us here at

00:47:14.200 Rebel News

00:47:14.840 Headquarters,

00:47:15.400 see you at home.

00:47:15.920 Good night and

00:47:16.760 keep fighting for

00:47:17.380 freedom.

00:47:17.720 But here,

00:47:17.980 stick around and

00:47:19.080 watch these clips

00:47:19.840 from my colleague

00:47:20.520 David Menzies last

00:47:21.500 night.

00:47:26.900 And I've just been

00:47:27.940 told that one of the

00:47:30.280 candidates who is,

00:47:31.800 well, she's successful

00:47:33.080 and speaking of

00:47:33.920 herculean tasks,

00:47:35.520 she's an independent

00:47:36.420 candidate and she is

00:47:39.100 one of the writings to

00:47:41.140 watch on my list of

00:47:43.220 nine or ten.

00:47:44.820 And without further

00:47:45.740 ado, let me welcome

00:47:47.900 Bobby Ann Brady.

00:47:50.760 Well, Bobby Ann Brady,

00:47:52.280 you did it again,

00:47:53.240 didn't you?

00:47:53.740 Yes, we did it again

00:47:56.600 when we were told we

00:47:57.740 would never do it

00:47:58.720 again.

00:47:59.480 It's amazing.

00:48:01.040 And, you know,

00:48:01.780 Bobby Ann, I knew I

00:48:03.720 would likely have you

00:48:04.900 as a guest on the

00:48:06.780 show tonight.

00:48:07.780 So what I did is,

00:48:10.040 I don't know if you

00:48:10.600 can tell, the color of

00:48:11.640 my tie is purple.

00:48:13.140 Because, you see, I

00:48:14.240 didn't want to wear

00:48:15.200 red or green or

00:48:17.760 orange or blue.

00:48:19.320 And what I'm getting

00:48:20.120 at, folks, Bobby Ann

00:48:21.340 Brady, who used to be

00:48:23.420 a loyal PC party

00:48:26.900 member, now running

00:48:28.920 as independent, when

00:48:30.120 Doug Ford, in the

00:48:31.440 22 election, decided

00:48:34.340 that they had their

00:48:36.920 own cherry-picked

00:48:37.860 candidate.

00:48:38.780 And Bobby Ann Brady,

00:48:39.760 in her writing, is

00:48:41.380 very well respected,

00:48:42.720 very well loved.

00:48:43.740 And there was

00:48:44.520 actually a smear

00:48:45.300 campaign against her

00:48:46.540 during this election.

00:48:48.260 You see, Bobby Ann Brady

00:48:49.520 once wore a red dress

00:48:51.180 into the legislature.

00:48:52.660 That means she's a

00:48:53.760 secret liberal, you

00:48:54.680 see.

00:48:55.100 Well, what do you know,

00:48:55.820 Bobby Ann Brady?

00:48:56.500 Looks like the smear

00:48:57.460 tactics didn't work,

00:48:58.660 eh?

00:48:59.860 They didn't work.

00:49:01.520 And, you know, it's

00:49:02.980 funny, when I wore that

00:49:03.860 dress into the

00:49:05.000 legislature, I made a

00:49:06.100 joke one day.

00:49:06.660 I said, you know, I'm

00:49:08.000 going to land up on

00:49:09.020 someone else's literature.

00:49:10.240 And there it was.

00:49:12.160 But the good people of

00:49:13.440 Haldeman Norfolk, they

00:49:14.500 went out in spades today

00:49:15.900 and they voted and they

00:49:18.720 drove out that vote.

00:49:20.200 And, you know, it's

00:49:21.580 heartening to see people

00:49:22.900 defending democracy,

00:49:24.240 people standing up for,

00:49:26.040 you know, a strong voice

00:49:27.560 at Queen's Park that

00:49:28.540 isn't tied to a party.

00:49:30.420 No monopoly on a good

00:49:31.900 idea, David.

00:49:33.400 A hundred percent.

00:49:34.540 And I think your story is

00:49:35.960 an incredible one.

00:49:36.880 I mean, you go back to

00:49:38.760 when you worked with

00:49:39.660 Toby Barrett, going back

00:49:41.420 to 1995 in the writing.

00:49:43.740 He was well-respected as

00:49:45.320 well.

00:49:45.840 And then he retired in

00:49:47.080 2021 and you had

00:49:48.460 aspirations to run for

00:49:52.040 being the PC candidate

00:49:53.900 in that writing.

00:49:55.480 Bobby Ann, can you tell

00:49:56.900 our audience what went

00:49:59.320 awry?

00:49:59.900 Because obviously, you

00:50:02.140 know, by the very fact

00:50:03.640 you've won an election

00:50:04.880 twice without a

00:50:06.860 big blue machine behind

00:50:08.800 you, it speaks to the

00:50:11.660 respect and the love

00:50:12.820 you have in Haldeman

00:50:14.680 Norfolk.

00:50:15.600 So why were you sort of

00:50:18.360 candidate non-grada going

00:50:21.400 back to 2022?

00:50:24.160 Well, listen, I think it

00:50:25.420 goes back to the fact

00:50:26.540 that, you know, I had

00:50:28.640 asked some questions,

00:50:30.320 you know, throughout the

00:50:31.680 pandemic when I was a

00:50:33.020 staffer.

00:50:33.540 And I had also spoken

00:50:35.540 out against the idea of

00:50:37.540 the ministerial zoning

00:50:38.600 order being pushed for

00:50:40.120 the Nanticoke Industrial

00:50:41.500 Park.

00:50:42.080 They want to, there's a

00:50:42.960 proposal on the table to

00:50:44.140 build 15,000 homes out at

00:50:46.440 the Nanticoke Industrial

00:50:47.360 Park.

00:50:47.760 And I think it's a bad

00:50:48.780 idea.

00:50:49.300 And I was very vocal about

00:50:50.880 that.

00:50:51.580 And so I think between

00:50:52.680 asking questions that

00:50:55.180 people were asking us in

00:50:56.620 the constituency office at

00:50:58.040 the time, and also

00:50:59.320 pushing back against that

00:51:00.800 development at the

00:51:02.320 Nanticoke Industrial

00:51:03.120 Park is what, you know,

00:51:05.720 that's the excuses I think

00:51:07.320 that they would use if

00:51:08.360 you asked them.

00:51:10.180 And, Bobby Ann, I was

00:51:11.140 just looking at the

00:51:12.340 numbers.

00:51:13.140 Not only did you win, it

00:51:14.080 was a landslide.

00:51:15.820 The PCE candidate, Amy

00:51:17.840 Martin, I believe, like the

00:51:19.560 former PCE candidate, she

00:51:21.200 is a mayor of a local

00:51:24.280 municipality.

00:51:25.680 But am I reading this

00:51:26.860 correctly?

00:51:27.320 Emily, you got over 65%

00:51:29.600 of the vote, and Amy

00:51:31.700 Martin with the big blue

00:51:33.080 machine behind her got

00:51:34.720 less than 24%.

00:51:36.760 What do you count?

00:51:38.740 If you're reading that,

00:51:40.240 I'm in a vehicle right

00:51:41.740 now.

00:51:42.300 I've been kind of

00:51:43.900 chilling out with my

00:51:44.640 family, waiting for the

00:51:45.540 call to come in.

00:51:46.600 And I'm not a girl who

00:51:48.240 likes to watch the numbers

00:51:49.180 come in when my name is

00:51:50.560 on the ballot.

00:51:51.280 When I was a campaign

00:51:52.360 manager, no problem.

00:51:53.680 But when my name's on

00:51:55.000 the ballot, I just wait

00:51:55.800 for the call.

00:51:56.340 And if you're telling me

00:51:57.780 those are the numbers,

00:51:58.760 David, those are the

00:52:00.240 numbers.

00:52:00.800 And it just goes to show

00:52:02.760 you that people in this

00:52:04.720 riding, they really respect

00:52:06.300 their independent voice.

00:52:07.600 They respect the fact that

00:52:09.300 I can go to Queen's Park and

00:52:11.120 I can truly represent them.

00:52:12.760 I don't have to be a brand

00:52:13.780 ambassador.

00:52:14.900 I can ask the tough

00:52:16.020 questions of the government

00:52:17.260 without having to tow a

00:52:19.040 party line and somebody

00:52:20.060 telling me that I can't do

00:52:22.140 or say something.

00:52:22.940 And, you know, Bobby, I

00:52:24.840 got to tell you, if, you

00:52:27.400 know, ProLine were taking

00:52:28.980 wagers on the election, I

00:52:32.260 would have bet a couple of

00:52:34.260 bucks on you.

00:52:34.900 And I'll tell you, it goes

00:52:35.660 back to 2022 before we even

00:52:37.780 met, before I even knew who

00:52:39.600 you were.

00:52:40.200 I remember going to cover the

00:52:42.220 motorcycle congregation in

00:52:44.780 Port Dover.

00:52:45.500 And everywhere I rode, I

00:52:47.480 drove, I saw Bobby M.

00:52:49.780 Brady, Bobby M.

00:52:50.660 Brady.

00:52:51.060 And I thought, my goodness,

00:52:52.840 by the sign tally, who is

00:52:55.100 this Bobby M.

00:52:55.980 Brady?

00:52:56.240 And I said, ah, but, you

00:52:57.260 know, independent, what a

00:52:58.640 poor dreamer.

00:52:59.560 And then, holy moly, Bobby

00:53:02.180 M.

00:53:02.540 Brady, you know, wins.

00:53:04.540 Then I learned the back

00:53:05.560 story, which we spoke

00:53:07.600 about, which is fascinating.

00:53:09.600 And here we are in 2025.

00:53:12.020 I got to tell you, when I

00:53:14.200 drive around the GTA, I have

00:53:16.120 never seen so few election

00:53:18.840 signs, especially on private

00:53:20.380 property.

00:53:20.940 I discount ones on vacant

00:53:22.280 lots.

00:53:22.980 Anyone can put those up.

00:53:24.720 I think that speaks to the

00:53:26.260 apathy of this election in

00:53:28.060 the middle of a brutal

00:53:28.860 winter.

00:53:29.820 But in your writing, Bobby

00:53:31.460 M., when myself and ace

00:53:33.940 cameraman Lincoln Jay went

00:53:35.740 out last week to do a little

00:53:37.900 interview with you, yet

00:53:39.680 again, your signs were

00:53:41.120 everywhere and on private

00:53:42.600 property.

00:53:43.040 So I had a good inkling you

00:53:45.980 were going to run away with

00:53:47.220 this.

00:53:48.060 And one of the things that I

00:53:50.120 do not understand, and we

00:53:51.540 brought this up during the

00:53:52.640 interview, Bobby M., is that

00:53:54.040 for Doug Ford, this is

00:53:58.000 personal for him.

00:53:59.720 Last year at the legislature,

00:54:02.040 he singled you out.

00:54:03.960 He was angry.

00:54:04.860 He was saying he was going to

00:54:06.140 make you unemployed.

00:54:08.220 And Bobby M., I don't get it

00:54:10.200 because if the Ford PCs were,

00:54:13.080 say, one seat away from a

00:54:14.980 majority, you know, oh, well,

00:54:16.720 that Bobby M.

00:54:17.580 Brady, you know, that was, you

00:54:19.000 know, she's the poison in the

00:54:21.520 punch bowl that prevented a

00:54:23.000 majority.

00:54:23.680 But he's got a super majority.

00:54:25.680 Who cares if there's one lone

00:54:27.720 independent out there?

00:54:29.140 Bobby M., can you explain why

00:54:31.400 the premier seems obsessed with

00:54:34.540 the fact that you won one

00:54:36.420 single riding?

00:54:38.220 I think that it's an

00:54:39.680 embarrassment.

00:54:40.580 I think that, you know, what

00:54:42.580 they said in 2022 is, you know,

00:54:44.860 we could run a monkey as long as

00:54:46.060 it has a PC logo on its back.

00:54:48.000 I mean, we saw an interview

00:54:49.460 yesterday in Windsor where the

00:54:51.400 premier answered a question that

00:54:52.960 was asked of a candidate.

00:54:54.960 And, you know, so we see those

00:54:56.460 tight controls.

00:54:57.620 And I've, in one riding in this

00:55:00.220 province, I've loosened his

00:55:01.740 control.

00:55:02.160 And he doesn't like that.

00:55:04.460 You know, it is baffling to me,

00:55:07.040 again, especially since it looks

00:55:09.160 like the Doug Ford PCs are heading

00:55:11.980 for their third super majority in

00:55:14.540 a row, which I don't think has

00:55:15.400 been done in this province, at

00:55:17.380 least not in recent memory.

00:55:19.840 So, you know, we're running out

00:55:21.820 of time, Bobby M., but of course,

00:55:23.320 the most important question of all

00:55:24.940 is this, given that I can only see

00:55:26.780 your face.

00:55:28.860 What color of dress are you

00:55:30.600 wearing tonight?

00:55:31.140 Oh, I have a green, like a teal

00:55:36.380 jacket on, and underneath I have

00:55:38.880 some black on.

00:55:40.000 So I'm pretty neutral tonight.

00:55:42.020 Oh, well, good for you, because

00:55:43.400 you know, when you wear, well, I had

00:55:46.160 no idea haberdashery was so

00:55:48.200 politically charged in the province

00:55:50.160 of Ontario.

00:55:51.260 Listen, David, when I get back to

00:55:52.920 Queen's Park, you can keep an eye on

00:55:54.940 all the colors that I wear.

00:55:56.240 It's going to be fun.

00:55:57.020 Well, that is fantastic.

00:55:59.080 Bobby M. Brady, I want to thank you

00:56:02.460 for coming on, making some time for

00:56:04.300 us.

00:56:04.760 I want to say congratulations.

00:56:06.760 And I guess a word to the wise, folks,

00:56:09.320 whether you're a certain

00:56:11.340 ex-NFL quarterback

00:56:12.900 or a particular

00:56:14.900 Ontario MPP,

00:56:16.880 never bet against someone

00:56:19.440 with the surname Brady.

00:56:21.240 Bobby M., a pleasure

00:56:22.400 as always.

00:56:23.080 Congratulations.

00:56:24.620 Thank you, David.

00:56:25.240 Thanks so much.

00:56:25.940 Have a great night.

00:56:26.760 You too.

00:56:27.340 Take care.

00:56:28.820 And that was Bobby M. Brady

00:56:30.620 in the writing of Haldeman

00:56:33.040 Norfolk,

00:56:34.440 who pulled another rabbit

00:56:36.620 out of the hat, really, folks.

00:56:38.280 As I've said,

00:56:39.520 if you're a startup party

00:56:41.340 or if you're an independent,

00:56:43.380 it is a Herculean task

00:56:46.640 to make headway.

00:56:48.940 And Bobby M. Brady did it

00:56:50.460 in 2022.

00:56:51.740 And she did it in 2025.

00:56:54.340 Even though Doug Ford

00:56:57.760 seems obsessed

00:56:58.680 with the fact

00:56:59.700 that the PCs

00:57:00.560 lost that solitary

00:57:02.720 loan writing

00:57:03.900 in southwestern Ontario.

00:57:06.560 Unbelievable.

00:57:07.660 So good for Bobby M.

00:57:09.520 What a win.

00:57:14.440 What do we do for an encore?

00:57:16.420 Well, I'm delighted to say

00:57:17.620 we have independent journalist

00:57:19.580 Harrison Faulkner

00:57:21.160 on standby.

00:57:23.160 And is Harrison there?

00:57:26.660 Yes, there he is.

00:57:28.180 Hey, Harrison.

00:57:29.000 Thank you so much

00:57:30.120 for joining me.

00:57:31.300 I got to tell you

00:57:32.000 the big question

00:57:32.940 going into this snap election,

00:57:34.820 at least for me.

00:57:35.760 You're younger.

00:57:36.440 You probably don't remember.

00:57:38.420 But way back in 1990,

00:57:41.020 the David Peterson liberals

00:57:42.820 had a majority government.

00:57:45.980 And, you know,

00:57:47.080 the polls look nice.

00:57:48.320 There was also a scandal

00:57:49.480 they wanted to get

00:57:50.260 off the front page.

00:57:51.700 And they decided

00:57:52.980 that we're going to go

00:57:54.740 to an early election.

00:57:56.140 And Harrison,

00:57:56.600 I can tell you

00:57:57.240 the dynamic in 1990.

00:57:59.700 Nobody,

00:58:00.660 and I mean

00:58:01.300 the top polling agencies,

00:58:04.880 the NDP itself,

00:58:06.680 nobody dreamed

00:58:07.980 that everybody

00:58:08.800 was going to wake up

00:58:09.700 in the province that year

00:58:10.780 to an NDP government

00:58:13.240 under Bob Ray.

00:58:14.600 So that was the big question.

00:58:16.420 Is this deja vu

00:58:17.680 all over again?

00:58:19.100 Obviously not.

00:58:20.940 What do you think

00:58:22.420 was the secret sauce

00:58:24.040 for the Doug Ford PCs

00:58:25.900 in going to the polls

00:58:27.320 early, Harrison?

00:58:28.860 Well, I think

00:58:29.600 that the biggest thing

00:58:30.740 was never letting

00:58:32.180 a crisis go to waste.

00:58:33.940 And we've seen that twice now

00:58:36.140 with the PCs

00:58:37.240 and with Doug Ford.

00:58:38.280 They did that in 2022.

00:58:40.780 I'm not exactly sure

00:58:41.660 if it was an early election

00:58:42.600 or if they had to call it.

00:58:43.520 I think they had to call it.

00:58:44.840 But they won

00:58:46.060 because of a crisis

00:58:47.860 that was happening

00:58:48.640 in the country.

00:58:49.500 And this tariff threat

00:58:51.580 really is

00:58:52.600 for many people

00:58:53.600 a crisis.

00:58:54.840 Sometimes other people

00:58:55.680 will blow it up.

00:58:56.420 Other people

00:58:56.880 try to minimize it.

00:58:58.620 But the reality is

00:58:59.760 if tariffs did come

00:59:02.060 when they were

00:59:02.980 originally expected to come,

00:59:04.020 it would have been a disaster.

00:59:05.140 And so

00:59:05.480 I think Doug Ford

00:59:06.840 just played his cards right

00:59:08.880 and took advantage

00:59:10.820 of this crisis.

00:59:12.420 The other thing too,

00:59:13.320 however,

00:59:13.660 is that

00:59:14.140 I believe in 1990,

00:59:16.520 I wasn't born in 1990.

00:59:17.560 I wasn't born for that.

00:59:18.600 I wasn't around for that.

00:59:19.400 But my guess

00:59:20.520 is that

00:59:21.460 Bob Ray's opposition

00:59:23.480 was stronger

00:59:24.960 than the opposition

00:59:25.800 that exists right now

00:59:26.920 in Ontario.

00:59:27.820 Because

00:59:28.300 the Ontario Liberals

00:59:30.140 and the Ontario NDP

00:59:30.960 are just so pathetically weak

00:59:33.560 that it's not even doing

00:59:34.460 any service to Ontarians

00:59:35.940 to have such a weak opposition.

00:59:37.640 Whether you're a Conservative

00:59:38.720 or a Liberal,

00:59:40.120 I think people just want

00:59:41.220 to have competency

00:59:42.140 in office,

00:59:43.240 whether that's in government

00:59:44.120 or in opposition.

00:59:45.220 And, you know,

00:59:45.820 the Liberals in the NDP,

00:59:46.620 they didn't even run

00:59:47.160 a full slate of candidates

00:59:48.200 in this election.

00:59:49.360 They barely had enough money

00:59:50.980 to get this thing going.

00:59:53.160 And Bonnie Crombie

00:59:54.020 lost her seat tonight.

00:59:55.480 So

00:59:55.780 they were

00:59:56.520 pathetically weak.

00:59:59.060 And, you know,

00:59:59.820 David,

01:00:00.420 you look at the situation

01:00:01.340 in Ontario

01:00:02.060 and

01:00:03.360 the obvious

01:00:04.360 campaign line

01:00:05.340 for the Liberals

01:00:06.260 or the NDP

01:00:06.800 would have been

01:00:07.440 is your life better

01:00:09.220 after eight years

01:00:10.420 of Doug Ford

01:00:11.080 than it is,

01:00:12.700 you know,

01:00:13.200 is it better?

01:00:13.880 And the answer is obviously

01:00:14.900 I think for most people,

01:00:15.640 no.

01:00:16.240 The situation in Ontario

01:00:17.360 is serious.

01:00:18.680 Millions of Ontarians

01:00:19.500 don't have a doctor.

01:00:20.940 People can barely afford rent.

01:00:22.560 They can barely afford

01:00:23.440 to buy a home.

01:00:24.560 The drug and addiction crisis

01:00:25.920 is getting out of control.

01:00:27.180 Our cities

01:00:27.700 look like

01:00:28.900 they look like

01:00:30.100 they look like

01:00:31.060 a sci-fi movie

01:00:32.760 with the amount of

01:00:33.800 carnage

01:00:34.620 and death

01:00:35.240 on our streets.

01:00:36.580 I mean,

01:00:36.760 this is really

01:00:37.380 getting out of control.

01:00:38.260 The province

01:00:38.640 is not as good

01:00:39.560 as it was

01:00:40.340 before.

01:00:42.220 And yet,

01:00:42.580 that wasn't really

01:00:43.180 the line we got

01:00:43.940 from the opposition.

01:00:44.900 David,

01:00:45.140 the opposition said

01:00:46.200 they didn't even want

01:00:47.100 the election

01:00:47.480 in the first place.

01:00:49.080 No,

01:00:49.680 100%,

01:00:50.640 Harrison.

01:00:51.460 And I mean,

01:00:52.040 their coffers

01:00:53.280 were depleted as well.

01:00:54.680 Let's not forget.

01:00:55.960 And I'm going to

01:00:56.460 further date myself

01:00:57.480 in regard to

01:00:58.680 how our cities look.

01:00:59.820 I remember

01:01:00.680 back in 1987,

01:01:01.820 I've grown up

01:01:02.660 in Toronto

01:01:03.120 for all of my life

01:01:05.440 except for four years.

01:01:07.180 And I can tell you

01:01:07.980 back in 1987,

01:01:09.180 Peter Ustinov said,

01:01:10.740 Toronto is New York

01:01:12.320 as run by the Swiss.

01:01:14.440 Now we are headed

01:01:15.720 towards San Francisco North.

01:01:18.200 That,

01:01:18.760 you know,

01:01:19.120 New York run by the Swiss.

01:01:20.500 That sailed

01:01:21.540 years ago.

01:01:23.440 The city is dirty.

01:01:25.060 There is homelessness

01:01:25.940 everywhere.

01:01:27.320 We're having

01:01:28.300 the worst crime wave ever.

01:01:30.080 And that's the thing,

01:01:31.220 you know,

01:01:31.440 Harrison,

01:01:31.860 what I find incredible

01:01:33.000 about this election,

01:01:34.440 you mentioned early on,

01:01:36.100 never let a crisis

01:01:37.100 go to waste.

01:01:38.120 Well,

01:01:38.300 we have a housing crisis.

01:01:39.980 We have a healthcare crisis.

01:01:42.080 We have a cost of living crisis.

01:01:44.100 We have a crime crisis.

01:01:45.580 But the only crisis

01:01:47.360 that seems to resonate

01:01:48.900 or seemed to resonate

01:01:51.260 past tense,

01:01:52.320 given that the Ford PCs

01:01:54.360 have won again,

01:01:55.900 is the fact

01:01:57.000 that the Doug Ford PCs

01:01:59.540 rolled the dice,

01:02:00.460 we're going to go up

01:02:01.320 against a candidate

01:02:02.100 not on the ballot,

01:02:03.080 namely Donald Trump

01:02:04.240 and the impending tariffs.

01:02:07.060 And you need a champion

01:02:08.460 to fight for you

01:02:09.280 because basically,

01:02:10.160 if you think the cost

01:02:10.880 of living is bad now,

01:02:12.120 you ain't seen nothing yet

01:02:13.560 if those 25% tariffs come in.

01:02:16.960 And I got to say,

01:02:18.220 Harrison,

01:02:19.360 I call him like I see him.

01:02:20.880 It looks like

01:02:21.460 that strategy worked.

01:02:22.640 It absolutely did work.

01:02:24.920 And you will see,

01:02:26.400 almost certainly,

01:02:27.400 once Mark Carney

01:02:28.260 wins a liberal leadership race,

01:02:30.060 they're going to try this as well.

01:02:31.860 They're going to go straight

01:02:32.620 to an election, I think,

01:02:33.720 because this is what is driving

01:02:35.500 Canadian politics.

01:02:36.920 The threat of tariffs

01:02:37.940 basically threw everything else

01:02:39.880 in this country

01:02:40.500 out the window.

01:02:41.560 We seem to forget

01:02:42.760 about all of the issues

01:02:43.920 that are driving our country

01:02:45.820 into the depths.

01:02:47.520 And it's really too bad.

01:02:49.480 But I will say

01:02:50.140 there's two things on this.

01:02:52.340 I think the reaction

01:02:53.360 across the country

01:02:54.440 to this tariff threat

01:02:55.680 has actually been positive.

01:02:57.540 We're now finally

01:02:58.480 getting some traction

01:02:59.480 and some serious talk

01:03:01.100 about border policy

01:03:02.540 and border security.

01:03:03.900 We're also now getting

01:03:05.040 some serious talk

01:03:06.040 about interprovincial trade barriers.

01:03:08.620 These things don't really

01:03:09.740 become serious issues

01:03:10.840 until in this country,

01:03:12.320 until it's really prompted.

01:03:13.520 So I think that's positive.

01:03:15.380 I will,

01:03:15.800 I have to say,

01:03:17.320 you know,

01:03:17.900 I was listening to

01:03:18.920 your previous segment.

01:03:21.160 And I think that it's important

01:03:23.500 to give a woman

01:03:24.740 named Bobby Ann Brady

01:03:25.960 her flowers.

01:03:27.420 She won again.

01:03:28.260 She won as an independent,

01:03:30.520 opposing the PC party

01:03:32.060 from the right.

01:03:33.260 What the new blue party,

01:03:34.660 what the Ontario party

01:03:35.520 was trying to do,

01:03:37.000 Bobby Ann Brady on her own

01:03:38.540 as an independent

01:03:39.400 has been able to do it

01:03:40.600 and get a seat,

01:03:41.840 which is more than what

01:03:43.060 the new blue

01:03:43.900 and Ontario party

01:03:44.560 can say for themselves tonight.

01:03:46.260 And I think that

01:03:46.800 that's a big lesson

01:03:47.760 that a lot of these

01:03:49.580 upstart parties

01:03:50.900 and you can call them

01:03:53.160 fringe parties,

01:03:53.920 but parties that are trying

01:03:55.300 to break the establishment

01:03:57.000 in this country.

01:03:57.660 And I'm thinking mostly

01:03:58.480 about the PPC

01:03:59.240 at a federal level.

01:04:00.720 You win by dominating

01:04:02.440 the ground game,

01:04:03.320 picking or riding

01:04:04.100 and doing everything

01:04:05.220 you can,

01:04:05.740 putting in the real graph,

01:04:06.880 the hard work

01:04:07.540 to get out the vote.

01:04:08.980 It's a lot more important

01:04:10.120 to have someone

01:04:10.840 in the game

01:04:11.860 when it's all said

01:04:13.200 and done

01:04:13.620 than to put up

01:04:14.440 a good fight

01:04:14.960 and have nothing

01:04:15.460 to say for it.

01:04:16.840 Go ahead.

01:04:18.720 I just think that

01:04:19.460 I think that is the lesson

01:04:20.860 that these parties

01:04:22.120 need to learn.

01:04:23.380 They need to realize

01:04:24.240 that whatever Bobby Ann Brady

01:04:25.680 was doing on her own

01:04:27.260 with her small team

01:04:28.760 in Haldeman, Norfolk

01:04:30.100 is the answer

01:04:31.480 for how you get your,

01:04:32.660 how you get in the game.

01:04:34.200 You know,

01:04:34.740 I couldn't agree more,

01:04:36.580 Harrison.

01:04:37.620 You know,

01:04:38.320 there,

01:04:38.760 I've met a lot

01:04:39.580 of great people

01:04:40.240 at the Ontario party,

01:04:41.320 a lot of great people

01:04:42.340 at the new blue party.

01:04:44.060 I have all kinds

01:04:45.020 of respect

01:04:45.480 for Jim Carajalios

01:04:46.680 and Derek Sloan.

01:04:48.600 I would just love

01:04:49.320 to lock them

01:04:50.140 in a room

01:04:50.640 and say,

01:04:51.560 you ain't coming out

01:04:52.480 until you put

01:04:53.700 your heads together

01:04:54.460 and run under

01:04:55.900 one banner

01:04:56.620 because right now

01:04:57.440 your focus

01:04:58.980 is split.

01:05:00.520 I think there might

01:05:01.640 be some sort

01:05:02.340 of bad blood

01:05:02.980 between the two camps,

01:05:04.600 which I don't understand.

01:05:05.900 But you are right.

01:05:07.440 Better to have

01:05:08.920 one solitary member

01:05:11.180 at Queen's Park

01:05:13.200 or in the case

01:05:13.880 of the Greens too

01:05:14.920 than just,

01:05:17.380 I guess,

01:05:18.420 unfocused opposition.

01:05:20.700 Tell me,

01:05:21.800 Harrison,

01:05:22.160 as you watch

01:05:23.080 the campaigns unfold,

01:05:25.960 did anything

01:05:27.640 stand out?

01:05:29.340 I mean,

01:05:29.880 you mentioned

01:05:30.540 that it's official.

01:05:32.440 Bonnie Crombie

01:05:33.260 has lost her seat.

01:05:35.460 I find that

01:05:36.720 absolutely staggering.

01:05:38.500 She is the former mayor

01:05:39.500 of Mississauga

01:05:40.320 of a decade.

01:05:42.380 She was running

01:05:43.720 against,

01:05:44.640 I think,

01:05:45.840 a political neophyte

01:05:47.180 in terms of

01:05:48.080 Patrick Brown's

01:05:49.240 mother-in-law.

01:05:50.340 Your best friend,

01:05:51.200 David.

01:05:52.860 I know.

01:05:54.060 Well,

01:05:54.240 when it comes

01:05:54.900 to Patrick Brown,

01:05:56.000 it's less politics

01:05:57.380 and more paint in place,

01:05:58.740 if you know

01:05:59.300 what I'm saying.

01:06:00.660 And what I'm getting,

01:06:01.920 you know,

01:06:02.120 one of the bizarre

01:06:02.820 sidebars I addressed

01:06:03.980 that earlier

01:06:04.440 with Jim Carajalios,

01:06:06.660 Harrison,

01:06:07.140 is that can you

01:06:09.020 possibly explain

01:06:10.700 why the Patrick Brown

01:06:12.860 people seem

01:06:14.260 to be getting

01:06:15.760 welcomed back

01:06:16.680 into this party?

01:06:17.600 It was only

01:06:18.240 seven years ago

01:06:19.140 when a palace coup

01:06:20.880 ousted Patrick Brown

01:06:22.440 six months,

01:06:23.640 which is barely

01:06:24.220 hardly any time

01:06:25.140 before the next

01:06:26.200 provincial election.

01:06:27.360 Everything turned out,

01:06:28.360 of course,

01:06:28.860 rosy for Ford.

01:06:29.920 But I don't get it.

01:06:31.880 Yeah,

01:06:33.600 well,

01:06:33.840 I think the case

01:06:34.820 for Patrick Brown

01:06:35.580 is that he is

01:06:36.300 the ultimate pragmatist

01:06:37.780 and he just reads

01:06:39.740 the situation

01:06:40.440 as it is in front of him

01:06:42.060 and does what he needs

01:06:43.280 to do to get

01:06:43.800 the best result

01:06:44.500 for himself

01:06:45.200 at whatever moment

01:06:46.580 that is,

01:06:47.200 depending on,

01:06:47.960 really not even

01:06:49.260 depending on the circumstances.

01:06:51.400 You know,

01:06:51.600 many people

01:06:52.240 who really have

01:06:53.740 their heart in the game

01:06:54.540 are going to hold

01:06:55.040 on to some grudges,

01:06:55.860 especially if,

01:06:57.120 in the case of Patrick Brown,

01:06:58.600 who was set to win,

01:06:59.980 was set to be the premier.

01:07:00.960 You know,

01:07:01.560 David,

01:07:01.820 it could have been

01:07:02.300 Patrick Brown

01:07:02.900 winning his third

01:07:03.500 majority of government

01:07:04.260 tonight,

01:07:05.420 you know,

01:07:05.700 if he didn't get

01:07:07.180 couped out of the job,

01:07:08.740 if he didn't get

01:07:09.100 backstabbed

01:07:09.840 in the middle of the night,

01:07:11.440 basically.

01:07:12.680 But I think

01:07:13.560 what I've heard

01:07:14.460 from some people

01:07:15.320 involved in the PC party

01:07:17.120 and involved

01:07:18.140 in that operation

01:07:19.320 was that

01:07:20.200 Bonnie Crombie

01:07:21.600 and Patrick Brown

01:07:22.300 have their own beef.

01:07:23.520 Correct.

01:07:23.940 And so this was a part

01:07:25.220 of Patrick Brown

01:07:26.400 getting one up

01:07:27.140 on Bonnie Crombie.

01:07:28.620 This may be him

01:07:29.460 just,

01:07:30.100 you know,

01:07:30.960 setting himself up

01:07:32.200 for another fight.

01:07:33.860 But really,

01:07:34.600 I can't explain

01:07:35.420 why he would do this.

01:07:36.680 The only explanation

01:07:37.620 I can find

01:07:38.360 is that

01:07:38.640 he had a bigger gripe

01:07:40.080 with Bonnie Crombie

01:07:40.760 than he did

01:07:41.320 with Doug Ford.

01:07:42.120 And so he saw this

01:07:42.980 as an opportunity

01:07:43.540 to backstab Bonnie Crombie

01:07:45.540 and he successfully

01:07:46.720 did that.

01:07:47.620 I just,

01:07:48.200 I'm amazed

01:07:48.720 at Patrick Brown's

01:07:49.660 political survival

01:07:50.540 and his

01:07:51.360 chameleon-like way

01:07:53.000 of just

01:07:53.760 holding on to power

01:07:55.100 in whatever way possible.

01:07:56.520 It's remarkable

01:07:57.040 that he's the mayor

01:07:57.660 of Brampton.

01:07:58.040 I don't really even know

01:07:58.900 how that came about

01:07:59.700 to be honest,

01:08:00.220 but he pulled it off

01:08:01.200 and he's still on the job.

01:08:02.600 You know what,

01:08:03.100 Harrison,

01:08:03.400 I kind of have an idea

01:08:04.840 how he became

01:08:06.140 the mayor of Brampton

01:08:07.200 and I don't want

01:08:08.400 to say anything

01:08:09.140 that's going to get me

01:08:10.180 into trouble,

01:08:11.480 but if I had

01:08:12.300 Bonnie Crombie's ear

01:08:13.420 right now,

01:08:14.380 I would reach out

01:08:16.180 to Elections Ontario

01:08:17.480 and maybe even

01:08:18.240 the OPP

01:08:18.800 and the RCMP.

01:08:19.980 I would ask

01:08:20.760 for an audit

01:08:21.620 of what happened

01:08:23.540 in the election tonight.

01:08:25.060 I'm just telling you

01:08:25.920 what my sources

01:08:26.600 are telling me.

01:08:27.780 We don't call him

01:08:28.620 sneaky Patrick Brown

01:08:30.260 for nothing.

01:08:31.840 So if

01:08:32.460 Bonnie Crombie

01:08:34.080 gets wind of this,

01:08:35.500 because after all,

01:08:36.640 I don't know

01:08:36.900 if you saw our report

01:08:37.680 last week,

01:08:38.420 Harrison,

01:08:39.180 we indicated

01:08:40.980 that senior

01:08:42.280 city of Brampton

01:08:44.080 staffers

01:08:44.800 were working

01:08:45.620 on Patrick Brown's

01:08:47.080 mother-in-law's

01:08:47.900 campaign

01:08:48.500 in a different city

01:08:49.880 from Brampton,

01:08:51.020 presumably

01:08:51.460 on the taxpayer

01:08:53.200 dime and time.

01:08:55.440 And this is exactly

01:08:56.300 what happened

01:08:57.060 in 2022

01:08:57.960 when Patrick Brown

01:08:59.260 ran for federal

01:09:00.540 leader of the

01:09:01.260 Conservative Party

01:09:02.040 of Canada.

01:09:03.180 Same deal,

01:09:04.700 using staffers

01:09:07.420 from a different city

01:09:08.340 at his secret

01:09:09.320 Vaughn headquarters,

01:09:10.520 which turned out

01:09:11.260 to be a donation

01:09:12.060 in kind.

01:09:13.280 I don't want to say

01:09:14.260 too much more

01:09:15.020 other than

01:09:15.500 I'm kind of surprised

01:09:16.660 he's not behind

01:09:17.400 bars right now.

01:09:18.500 Harrison,

01:09:19.460 last word goes

01:09:20.780 to you,

01:09:21.080 my friend.

01:09:22.440 The thing

01:09:23.380 that I'm thinking

01:09:23.860 about now

01:09:24.420 is I'm just

01:09:25.740 shocked at how

01:09:26.820 weak the

01:09:28.200 provincial opposition

01:09:29.100 has been

01:09:29.900 over the past,

01:09:31.760 it will be,

01:09:32.780 likely eight years.

01:09:33.840 I mean,

01:09:34.060 I just can't believe

01:09:35.000 that the Liberal

01:09:36.380 Ontario leader

01:09:37.560 has lost their seat

01:09:39.000 now in the second

01:09:40.080 election in a row.

01:09:41.680 They barely just

01:09:43.160 made official

01:09:44.680 party status.

01:09:45.580 That number

01:09:46.040 is 12 seats.

01:09:46.980 They're now up

01:09:47.520 to 14 seats.

01:09:48.780 At least as CTV

01:09:49.740 is calling it.

01:09:50.820 It is remarkable

01:09:51.720 that in provincial

01:09:53.340 politics,

01:09:54.220 there is really

01:09:55.240 no opposition

01:09:56.080 right now.

01:09:57.280 Doug Ford,

01:09:57.980 the first Ontario

01:10:00.180 Premier to win

01:10:00.860 three straight

01:10:01.480 majority governments

01:10:02.180 in 50 years,

01:10:03.500 it's a remarkable

01:10:04.620 political career.

01:10:05.880 It really is.

01:10:06.600 You have to say

01:10:07.160 that.

01:10:07.940 But I think

01:10:08.780 that Ontario voters

01:10:10.160 are poorly served

01:10:12.260 by having such

01:10:13.380 a poor opposition.

01:10:14.940 Whether you're a Liberal

01:10:15.760 or a Conservative,

01:10:17.080 I think we just want

01:10:18.120 competency in politics

01:10:19.460 and we're just not

01:10:20.560 getting that right now.

01:10:21.880 It's domination

01:10:23.040 and one-party rule

01:10:24.400 it feels like.

01:10:25.580 But it may not be

01:10:26.340 the worst thing.

01:10:27.000 It would be a lot worse

01:10:28.240 if the NDP won tonight.

01:10:30.060 I think we can all

01:10:30.960 agree on that.

01:10:32.340 Well, that is indeed

01:10:33.220 what happened in 1990

01:10:34.820 under very eerily

01:10:36.880 similar circumstances.

01:10:39.340 Harrison,

01:10:39.900 I really appreciate

01:10:41.340 your analysis.

01:10:42.660 And before you go,

01:10:43.640 where can our viewers

01:10:44.520 read your stuff?

01:10:45.960 You can find me

01:10:47.440 on social media

01:10:48.700 on X.

01:10:49.780 Just search my name,

01:10:50.740 Harrison Faulkner.

01:10:51.600 I'll be there on X.

01:10:53.540 Okay, and that's

01:10:54.440 F-A-U-L-K-N-E-R.

01:10:57.360 Harrison, a pleasure.

01:10:58.880 Thank you so much

01:10:59.500 for your time, sir.

01:11:00.760 Thank you, David.

01:11:01.620 You got it.

01:11:03.040 And that was

01:11:03.800 Harrison Faulkner,

01:11:04.840 independent journalist.

01:11:15.960 Hello, my friends.

01:11:23.580 It's the most astonishing

01:11:24.500 political video I've seen

01:11:25.920 while I can't even think

01:11:27.300 of another time ever.

01:11:29.420 I'm talking about

01:11:30.460 the meeting between

01:11:31.620 Vladimir Zelensky,

01:11:32.860 the president of Ukraine,

01:11:34.360 and Donald Trump

01:11:35.100 and J.D. Vance,

01:11:35.720 the president

01:11:36.120 and vice president

01:11:36.680 of the United States.

01:11:37.840 What started out

01:11:38.700 as a sort of a celebration

01:11:41.040 of coming together

01:11:42.140 with a peace deal

01:11:43.640 that seems like

01:11:44.840 it's almost about

01:11:45.540 to be born

01:11:46.120 turned into

01:11:47.020 an acrimonious argument,

01:11:49.680 hollering over each other,

01:11:51.020 a little bit of name-calling,

01:11:52.960 just astonishing,

01:11:54.540 and Vladimir Zelensky

01:11:55.520 basically being shown

01:11:56.860 the door afterwards.

01:11:57.780 I've never seen

01:11:58.580 anything like it.

01:11:59.560 I'm going to play

01:12:00.200 about almost 10 minutes of it,

01:12:02.460 and I'm going to stop

01:12:03.400 every moment

01:12:03.880 and just give you

01:12:04.480 my reaction.

01:12:06.260 Frankly, I encourage you

01:12:07.340 to watch the whole thing.

01:12:08.280 In fact, there's a longer

01:12:09.020 version of it

01:12:09.860 that is worth watching.

01:12:11.480 It's just unbelievable,

01:12:13.800 and it's royal,

01:12:15.540 trailing the entire world.

01:12:17.100 I really want you to see,

01:12:18.280 you've got to see

01:12:18.660 the body language,

01:12:19.740 not just here,

01:12:20.560 which is why I'd like you

01:12:21.220 to get the video version

01:12:22.820 of this podcast.

01:12:23.600 Go to rebelnewsplus.com,

01:12:25.760 click subscribe.

01:12:27.580 It's eight bucks a month,

01:12:28.760 and you get the video

01:12:29.620 side of things,

01:12:30.460 and you support us

01:12:31.260 at Rebel News,

01:12:32.100 but you really have to

01:12:33.280 watch it with your own eyes.

01:12:35.080 You know,

01:12:35.500 one more thing.

01:12:36.140 I can't believe it.

01:12:38.920 Oh,

01:12:39.460 thank you.

01:12:42.140 I just can't believe

01:12:43.160 you.

Rebel News Podcast - March 01, 2025

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Trump EVISCERATES Zelenskyy during heated exchange

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