Rebel News Podcast - September 17, 2025


EZRA LEVANT ｜ U.S. Antifa terror ban forthcoming after Charlie Kirk's assassination


Episode Stats

Length

47 minutes

Words per Minute

170.41924

Word Count

8,061

Sentence Count

584

Misogynist Sentences

13

Hate Speech Sentences

43


Summary

Charlie Kirk's assassination has revealed terrible things about the far-left and far-right, and I give my thoughts on that from the far right and the far left. I also give a tribute to Charlie's widow, Erica Kirk.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. I've got some more thoughts on Charlie Kirk and this mad theory on the far right
00:00:04.860 that Israel killed Charlie Kirk, the most pro-Israel pundit in America. I'll give you my
00:00:10.680 thoughts on that from the far right and the far left. But first, let me invite you to become a
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00:00:36.820 content, but you keep Rebel News strong. That's rebelnewsplus.com. Tonight, Charlie Kirk's
00:00:42.780 assassination has revealed terrible things on the far left and the far right. It's September 17th,
00:00:49.840 and this is the Ezra LeVant Show. Shame on you, you sensorism bug.
00:00:58.260 I already told you my thoughts about Charlie Kirk's assassination. Obviously, it was designed
00:01:11.240 to stop him personally, and I think he was headed for the highest heights. He's only 31. Imagine
00:01:17.000 how strong and powerful and well-known he would be at 51. I really think he could have been the
00:01:21.900 president of the United States. So obviously, stopping him was a devastating blow. It was also
00:01:27.400 designed to demoralize his entire movement, his organization, conservatives, people who support
00:01:33.540 America First and Donald Trump. And it was demoralizing. Of course it was. And finally,
00:01:39.060 it was designed to scare us all, to make us worried that we could be hurt if we stand up.
00:01:45.480 He really was unique and bound for unlimited things. But although he has been stopped, I don't think it
00:01:52.220 has demoralized the movement. In fact, I see huge expressions of interest in Turning Point, his
00:01:58.160 organization. Huge donations, including several million-dollar donations. I see that his widow,
00:02:06.000 Erica Kirk, has a tremendous resolve, a ferocity. Let me play you an excerpt from her speech a few days ago.
00:02:13.560 I saw this and it was so bold. At first, I know this sounds funny. I thought it was maybe an AI,
00:02:20.360 artificial intelligence video, because it was so strong. I thought maybe someone just wanted it to
00:02:26.420 be this way. But no, this is real. Take a look. The evildoers, responsible for my husband's
00:02:33.320 assassination, have no idea what they have done. They killed Charlie because he preached a message of
00:02:44.520 patriotism, faith, and of God's merciful love. They should all know this. If you thought that my
00:02:56.800 husband's mission was powerful before, you have no idea. You have no idea what you just have unleashed
00:03:07.240 across this entire country and this world, you have no idea. You have no idea the fire that you have
00:03:17.360 ignited within this wife. The cries of this widow will echo around the world like a battle cry.
00:03:33.420 To everyone listening tonight across America, the movement my husband built will not die.
00:03:38.960 It won't. It won't. I refuse to let that happen. It will not die. All of us will refuse to let that
00:03:50.600 happen. No one will ever forget my husband's name and I will make sure of it. It will become stronger,
00:04:02.520 bolder, louder, and greater than ever. My husband's mission will not end,
00:04:08.140 not even for a moment. And in a few days, there's going to be a massive event in Arizona with the
00:04:16.380 president himself going. I think Rebel News is going to have a few people there too.
00:04:20.360 Now, of course, people are scared, but I don't think that's overpowering people's courage. Remember,
00:04:25.060 courage is not the absence of fear. It's the proper management of fear, the proper prioritization of
00:04:30.860 fear below other things that are more important. The left is on the back foot since this assassination,
00:04:38.140 the killer was a transgender extremist and seemed to be part of a violent transgender cell. I had
00:04:46.260 originally thought it was a professional assassination given the length of the shot.
00:04:51.440 But I suppose in the United States, there's a lot of people with firearms and, you know,
00:04:55.880 it just seemed so professional that it was like whoever tried to kill Trump.
00:05:01.100 But it seems like it was, and it certainly was political, it was terrorism, but it does look
00:05:09.460 like they have caught the shooter. Now, our friend Andy Ngo, the reporter who did so much work exposing
00:05:17.020 Antifa in Portland, he uses the word Trantifa, which is transgender who join up with Antifa in a violent
00:05:27.580 war against cisgenderism, I think they would say. Trantifa are violent. We see that in Canada too.
00:05:37.320 Trans extremists in our country calling for violence, displaying violent tactics, even on their shirts,
00:05:44.140 whether it's knives or baseball bats. J.K. Rowling, the great British author who has taken a stand
00:05:51.140 against transgenderism gets violent threats from Trantifa all the time. Now, Andy Ngo follows Antifa,
00:05:58.880 tracks them, and he found on an Antifa website that has since been taken down, but not before it was
00:06:04.480 screenshot. He found this, and I'd like to read about a minute or two from it. Again, this is courtesy
00:06:10.960 of Andy Ngo. So this is an Antifa cell in Oregon, I believe. They said, addressing mobilizations like
00:06:19.440 these. So they're talking about people who were coming out for vigils for Charlie Kirk, and there
00:06:25.360 was a huge one in London when I was there. I saw them in Toronto and Calgary and Winnipeg. Thousands
00:06:31.180 of people in places even where you wouldn't think that they were touched by Charlie Kirk. Anyway, so
00:06:37.920 this is a response to some of the wholesome vigils for Charlie Kirk. This is Antifa talking about these
00:06:45.580 vigils. Addressing mobilizations like these requires careful consideration. The most similar rallies we
00:06:53.420 have seen in the Pacific Northwest have been those following homophobic evangelical preacher Sean
00:06:59.020 Feucht, where followers of a similar non-combatant mall church family demographic have shown up in great
00:07:07.740 numbers. Anti-fascists have attempted to counter several of these rallies in Portland and Seattle,
00:07:13.420 but these encounters have been unequivocal optical and tactical failures. Simply put, black block
00:07:20.420 counters of what appear to be normie worship events with children in attendance is a decidedly bad look
00:07:27.480 and contributes to the American conservative persecution narrative galvanizing otherwise politically
00:07:32.840 inactive conservatives. And remember Sean Feucht, that was the conservative pastor who went through
00:07:39.420 Canada and was banned along the way. As you know, we've crowdfunded legal defense for one of the
00:07:44.840 churches who hosted them. Back to the Antifa website. This is particularly relevant as many apolitical
00:07:51.760 businesses and institutions, including the University of Oregon itself, have expressed public sympathy to
00:07:57.240 Kirk and his cause. As such, anti-fascists must work to find more creative ways to counter this political
00:08:03.280 moment. One option may be working to drive wedges between different segments of the right. We've
00:08:08.700 already seen physical conflict between neo-Nazis and conservatives. So this is very interesting. So
00:08:13.800 Antifa and Trantifa are saying that their violent tactics are suddenly out of favor. And they say it
00:08:21.200 backfired when Antifa tried to take on that Christian pastor because it looked like they looked like the
00:08:26.180 thugs they were. So now they're thinking, well, we have to somehow get the neo-Nazis to show their
00:08:33.420 teeth. I'll read one more passage from this Antifa website. One possibly useful wedge issue in this
00:08:40.780 context is Israel. Conspiracy theorists have already jumped to blame Kirk's assassination on Mossad,
00:08:48.020 claiming the lifelong Zionist was on the verge of becoming J-pilled. J-pilled is when you wake up to the
00:08:54.720 fact that the Jews are ruling the world. So Antifa is celebrating the fact that on the fringe right,
00:09:02.700 some people are saying that Charlie Kirk was killed by the Jews. Now, I believe that Antifa is going to be
00:09:09.580 banned as a criminal terrorist group by Donald Trump, the same way Trump called the drug cartels
00:09:14.620 terrorist groups. That's a Trump-style move. That's a Stephen Miller move going boldly. And what are the
00:09:20.640 left going to do in the wake of this assassination? Are they really going to stand by violent groups
00:09:25.680 like Antifa? Well, maybe actually, but if so, I think that'll be devastating to their image.
00:09:31.520 Come to think of it, the left usually does stand with Antifa and Black Lives Matter and other violent
00:09:36.640 groups because that's their Marxist dialectic. I don't mean to use fancy words, but there's this idea
00:09:44.160 in a class warfare or when you apply Marxism to other things like sex or race. Any resistance is
00:09:52.160 noble against oppressors. So that's why the left has no problem with the sheer violence and rape and
00:09:59.620 murder and torture of Hamas when they invaded southern Israel, because they're oppressors. They
00:10:05.360 can do anything. And the Jews are the, sorry, they're the oppressed, excuse me. The Palestinians are the
00:10:11.760 oppressed peoples, and the Jews were the oppressors, even though it was an invasion from Gaza into
00:10:17.200 Israel, that anything was justified against oppressors, including rape. It's noble, in fact,
00:10:24.840 Jews, America, Israel, white people, capitalists, TERFs, that's trans, exclusionary, reactionary,
00:10:33.140 feminists, or whatever TERF exactly stands for, that's J.K. Rowling. So the violent left,
00:10:38.400 the Antifa, Trantifa left, thinks violence is acceptable if you're going after an oppressor,
00:10:43.920 and you can basically come up with some way to call anyone an oppressor. But suddenly that butch,
00:10:50.560 violent talk on the left isn't acceptable in polite company, even in universities, which is a surprise to
00:10:56.440 me because they put up with anything. People, professors who have cheered the murder of Charlie Kirk have
00:11:03.360 been suspended, even in Canada. For some reason, Hamas supporters are still cool, though.
00:11:11.160 But is it true about the right what Antifa said there? I think it is, in a way that hasn't been
00:11:18.260 before. Now, you know me, Tucker Carlson used to be my hero. I was on his show on Fox News several
00:11:22.780 times. I admired him. I looked up to him, and when he went independent, I was very excited.
00:11:27.000 And there's a lot of mini-me's who say, well, if Tucker's doing something, it's safe for me to
00:11:31.880 follow, like he's the big battleship, and I'll just follow behind in my canoe, and maybe I won't
00:11:36.500 be such a little canoe. There's a generation of comedians, or sort of comedians, too, who've decided
00:11:43.000 to go full anti-Semitic. But I would say to them, beware of getting applause as a comedian, as opposed
00:11:49.500 to laughs. I mean, that's a mistake I think the left made when, you know, Stephen Colbert
00:11:56.340 of the late-night comedy show. I don't know if he gets a lot of laughs. He gets people nodding
00:12:02.120 knowingly, like when he did his vaccine pitches. I would say to comedians on the right, don't go
00:12:09.280 full anti-Semitic. Don't even go a little anti-Semitic, actually. When you become a political
00:12:14.720 conspiracy theorist blaming the Jews on everything, you're not being a comedian anymore. You're being
00:12:19.700 boring, and you're being a bit crazy. And it was a dead end for the left, and I think it'll be dead
00:12:26.160 on the right. In my view, hating Jews is not conservative, just like hating all of any
00:12:35.560 ethnicity isn't, because it's collectivism. When you say the Jews did it, you mean like every single
00:12:41.660 Jew did it? There was like a meeting of the Jews, and they all did it. Jews are like any other group
00:12:46.500 of people. There's some good Jews and some bad Jews, and sometimes a Jew does something bad, and
00:12:51.760 sometimes a Jew does something great. I refer to Stephen Miller, who's the point person of Trump's
00:12:57.260 immigration plan. Frankly, he's my favorite Jew in the world. People don't say the Jews are cracking
00:13:04.920 down. It's a phrase used to collectivize the sins or alleged sins of any individual Jews.
00:13:13.420 So I think that when you start coming out against the Jews, you're not conservative anymore,
00:13:17.260 because conservatives, I really believe, judge individuals based on the content of their
00:13:21.820 character, and what they do, and what they stand for. That's how I've lived my life. I mean, I'm
00:13:26.300 Jewish, but I feel lucky to have lived in a country where people say, okay, he's Jewish, he's this,
00:13:31.880 he's that, he's this, he's ten different things. Let's judge him by what he says and does. I'm not
00:13:37.020 bogged down in some collective identity. I am Jewish, but people judge me for myself.
00:13:43.400 And I think when you blame all Jews for something, it's a kind of scapegoating to let yourself off the
00:13:49.540 hook for things that aren't going well in your life. Oh, the Jews did it. It's like some cosmic
00:13:55.060 excuse for, you know, you didn't get up and go to the gym. The Jews got me again. So I don't think
00:14:00.420 anti-Semitism is a conservative idea. I should do a monologue on that. Group punishment of the Jews
00:14:07.000 and a way to soothe all of your own faults and sins, that's not a conservative way of thinking.
00:14:11.640 That's the group think on the left. That's the Marxist. Jews are the oppressors. I'm the
00:14:16.100 oppressed. I can say and do anything against them. And everything they do is the reason for my,
00:14:22.320 for whatever is wrong in my life. Look at Candace Owens. Not that she was really ever conservative.
00:14:28.660 I don't know if you know her origin story. She was a left-wing grifter on YouTube who suddenly
00:14:33.940 discovered it was much more profitable to be a young black woman on the right than on the left,
00:14:39.620 because, you know, the conservatives are always looking to show that they are open to women and
00:14:44.820 minorities. But she started going nuts a while ago. In fact, it's interesting. She says she's friends
00:14:51.240 with Charlie Kirk, but he hasn't done an event with her in years. I think he realized she was starting
00:14:57.340 to go nuts a while back. For me, it was this, when she did an interview with GB News and said that
00:15:04.200 the United States should not have gone to war in the Second World War, even after Pearl Harbor and
00:15:11.560 Germany declared war on America. I don't know if you know that, that Japan, I mean, of course,
00:15:18.340 you know, Japan attacked America at Pearl Harbor, December 7th, 1941. And then Germany immediately
00:15:24.300 declared war on the United States before the U.S. declared war on them. And Candace Owens said to GB News
00:15:31.060 that America shouldn't have joined the war for them Jews. Here's a clip of that. By the way,
00:15:36.780 Candace Owens' husband, who's on the board of GB News, had this clip deleted. I saved it before
00:15:41.760 they could. Take a look. Do you think that America shouldn't have gone into that Second World War?
00:15:45.860 Yeah. And that is a radical statement. People don't know how to deal with that because we've all
00:15:50.300 been so brainwashed by the school system to believe that, oh, look how great things are.
00:15:54.580 Let me ask you about your country. Do you think that your country has become greater since?
00:15:57.820 Has our country become greater since? Absolutely not. You know, this whole idea of international
00:16:01.840 liberalism. Now it's not just about your problems, it's about solving the world's problems.
00:16:06.000 Let's make sure that in Pakistan there's a trans flag waving. No, I actually, if Pakistan does not
00:16:12.220 want to wave a trans flag, I don't even want to wave a trans flag, but why is this my business?
00:16:15.800 And they're constantly trying to pollute you to make you think that it is your business.
00:16:19.000 No, I actually am comfortable. If that's going to be the newest smear that I have to wear,
00:16:23.580 that we're isolationist, good. Good. I want to be concerned with just America's problems.
00:16:28.980 As soon as those get resolved, I'm happy to pick up our head and say, oh, well, you know what?
00:16:33.800 There are our friends over there in the UK. Let's see. Let's see how they're doing. If we can help
00:16:37.600 them. But America first.
00:16:39.580 But Japan did attack Pearl Harbor. So presumably you would have reacted to that.
00:16:43.720 Yeah. I mean, yes. Look at it. I think, of course, if you're ever talking about a threat in terms of
00:16:47.720 your nation being attacked, you should always have an equal response. But at the moment,
00:16:53.780 a response was just right. Does the response necessarily dictate a world war? These are
00:17:00.980 questions that should be relegated, I think, to an academic discussion. These would be
00:17:03.860 interesting academic discussions. I'd love to get up a bunch of people and to play out those
00:17:07.420 scenarios. What if we had just respond? That I mean, I knew something was wrong with the
00:17:11.060 Galvan. And since then, she has gone completely nuts, including a full medieval style anti-Semitism.
00:17:19.260 And I'm not talking about anti-Zionism, a crazy blame the Jews, the religion, the ethnicity for
00:17:26.800 for everything. It's almost like she's going to say the Jews poison the town well or something.
00:17:32.100 It's just off the hook. Here's a here's a sampler of that.
00:17:36.200 Never supporting that demonic nation ever again. Now we are reading the books. We're
00:17:41.000 learning about how you've executed this. You've blindfolded the entire world to what you are.
00:17:45.960 And what I think you might be is possessed by a real demon. I'm Catholic. I believe in demons.
00:17:53.300 And Netanyahu is very clearly a demon. And any person that supports him, like you are a part of
00:18:00.280 a like totally demonic enterprise. And we're never going to be able to unsee that. Okay.
00:18:05.200 Oh, it didn't happen. No. Hamas is stealing. Hamas, ISIS, all of these people are just
00:18:11.000 so conveniently, these terror groups are so convenient in helping Israel expand its borders.
00:18:15.960 I mentioned her husband before. He seems to be her co-pilot and all this. It's very odd. Did you ever see this?
00:18:24.200 Like this is, this is a different woman to the one, to any woman that I mean.
00:18:28.960 How did you meet her?
00:18:29.240 So she was giving a speech in London. And she was giving a speech at the Royal Automobile Club, which is a club in Pall Mall in London. And I was in the audience. We met, we shook hands. And I just knew kind of, when I met her, I was like, this is a woman who, she just commanded a power.
00:18:52.000 It was very difficult to describe. Nothing romantic was said, you know, for the, for the, between that day and the day that we got engaged, nothing, nothing romantic was said at all. You know, there was no overtures. Like I didn't, didn't, we didn't go for dinner. Like we didn't take it.
00:19:14.800 Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Yeah, nothing. Exactly. And, and so I was very clear about that because it was, it was almost like getting to know oneself in some ways. It was kind of a very strange experience. You know, it was like, I, I, I saw myself in her, um, and in doing so, and that sounds sort of, well, I fell in love with myself. No, I didn't fall in love with, I fell in love with, with a woman who
00:19:40.460 gave so much of myself back to me, you know, and, and I kind of, I, I was very willing to let myself fade and give glory to her. You know, that was kind of, that's how I view our marriage in many ways. Like I, I'm very happy to take a secondary position to give glory to her.
00:20:00.460 You know, I'm far less politically involved now than I was because she's much more politically involved than I ever could be. Um, when I met her, she was this tour de force, you know, incredible mind, incredible beauty. Um, I was so willing to just be enraptured to her.
00:20:19.460 Yeah. Yeah. You know, um, Candace Owen's father-in-law, it's so sad. He is a leader of a very reputable Jewish Christian friendship society in the United Kingdom. And he was so appalled by what his daughter-in-law was saying. He felt compelled to write a series of tweets, a letter, really not disowning her, but disowning everything she said. I can only imagine the pain in a dad when that's what his son married.
00:20:47.920 And I don't know. It sounds like maybe a son of Greece, just, just crazy. Anyways, Tucker Carlson, who I really looked up to and Candace Owens, who I didn't really ever look up to, and about a hundred other grifters now claim that Charlie Kirk was killed by Israel, just like Antifa predicted. Now there's no evidence of this. All the evidence is the contrary. They've arrested someone who looks pretty clear to me who was guilty.
00:21:12.880 Charlie Kirk himself was one of the biggest pro-Israel voices in America. I mean, here's some things he said just weeks ago.
00:21:20.880 We've been on, we were in Israel a couple of weeks ago for the embassy opening. We went out with Huckabee about four or five years ago. Is it not the most amazing place?
00:21:31.060 I've never been. And we had, we had like an hour.
00:21:35.560 He's special. He's a special, special leader. Oh, and he's everything a leader should be, right? I mean, just confident and correct.
00:21:44.080 Thank you. Um, a more personal question on the idea of like Christian Newton, you being a very devout Christian. Um, I remember speaking to your assistant during the vacation and he's saying you don't respond on a Sunday because you participate in Saturday, actually. Yes. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. That's very astute.
00:22:02.080 Yeah. So kind of like more, why do you kind of like, is that something you've taken from the Jewish tradition?
00:22:07.080 I really like you. Uh, now you ask the best question anyone's ever had. I could talk about the Sabbath all day long. Um, I don't know if anyone is interested in this, so you could roll your eyes, but I, I am, I'm a Christian.
00:22:16.680 So whether or not we're bound to the Jewish Sabbath is hotly debated. There's great arguments for great arguments against. I'm actually writing a book right now on why I honor the Sabbath. It's very simple. It's called stop in the name of God.
00:22:26.060 Why honoring the Sabbath will change the world basically. And it is an argument that in this hyper materialistic, very fast, digitally frenzied world, that there is this,
00:22:35.940 there is this gift that I believe the Lord gave the Hebrews that we have decided to just gloss over. And it's very simple. It's that for one day you will stop, that it will be holy, that it will be different.
00:22:48.320 For those of you that are agnostic or not Christian, I still encourage you to do this. People that honor the Sabbath live longer. We know this with the Seventh-day Adventists. They actually are happier. They have better health outcomes.
00:22:59.140 Everything about disconnecting from modernity is good from you. It is an arguable, but this is, this is a material fact, but why is it that we have forgotten it?
00:23:06.140 Well, for me personally, I work like crazy for six days on Friday night, even Sunday morning, I turn my phone off and I try to stop. I try to make it distinct. I try to make it different.
00:23:14.140 It's where I do my best thinking. It's where I do my best time with my family. Um, and again, this kind of goes back to, okay, we're trying to create all this new stuff.
00:23:21.140 Like, wow, we're gonna have this new technological intervention, innovation. We're gonna have this vaccine and we're gonna be a solve this with quantum mechanics and quantum computing.
00:23:28.140 And I'm kind of like, honestly, something was told to us on Sinai that we shouldn't forget that like you shouldn't work for seven days in the retelling of the Ten Commandments in the book of Deuteronomy.
00:23:38.140 The only difference of the retelling of the Ten Commandments is when Moses says, hey, you shouldn't work seven days because you're no longer a slave.
00:23:47.140 What Moses is saying is like only slaves work for seven days actually. And we in the West have kind of been slaves to our work.
00:23:53.140 And I say this as a free market capitalist, that's not good. It's making us depressed. It's making us anxious.
00:23:58.140 And I, all of you have the agency to disconnect from that, to make a choice to no longer have to be subservient to the ever more, more, more next text, next alert,
00:24:07.140 next email, you know, next WhatsApp message. And it kind of goes back to a theme.
00:24:12.140 I've been saying that it has worked. It's also a phenomenal civilizational preserving tool.
00:24:18.140 It's worked for the Jews. They've been kicked out of a lot of countries and a lot of people have hated the Jews, including right now.
00:24:24.140 And they're thriving and they're growing and they continue. I think God has given us a preservative for a civilization.
00:24:34.140 And I believe it is the South. Now, all of Charlie Kirk's real friends say it is crazy to the accusation that the Jews killed Charlie Kirk.
00:24:45.140 And it's crazy that they say, oh, he was about to suddenly disown Israel.
00:24:49.140 No one who is close to Charlie Kirk abides that. Not his pastor who released a statement and a video, not his senior producer, not anyone.
00:25:00.140 But Candace Owens says she's got the proof. You just have to sign up for her website paywall to see it.
00:25:08.140 So gross to make money off of his body before it's even in the ground. So gross.
00:25:13.380 It reminds me of the Westboro Baptist Church. You know, that extremist break or that break off group that protests at funerals of U.S. servicemen coming in from overseas.
00:25:24.520 The grossest people. I think anti-Semitism is a hell of a drug. I don't like to see it.
00:25:29.560 But what does this all mean for us here in Canada?
00:25:31.380 Like I say, there's been huge vigils for Charlie Kirk. Very interesting.
00:25:37.260 Some people are having consequences, like I say, for supporting murder.
00:25:42.360 I mean, it's just not a good look. And if you don't like Charlie Kirk and you're happy that he's killed, do yourself a favor and just keep your thoughts to yourself.
00:25:49.600 You know, that old saying, if you don't have anything nice to say, say nothing at all.
00:25:53.960 This is one of the times when that applies.
00:25:55.920 You know, it's very strange, though, a senior cabinet minister in Manitoba actually put out a press release denouncing him and and weaponizing his death against his own children.
00:26:06.880 It was maybe the grossest thing I've seen. And I've seen a hundred people support his assassination.
00:26:13.180 But this cabinet minister in Manitoba and no consequences whatsoever makes you wonder what she has over the premier out there.
00:26:20.780 Now, the United States has said that they will ban entry from foreigners who support the murder of Americans.
00:26:29.820 And that's their right. If you are an American, you have the First Amendment to say anything rude, anything crude, anything that shows how grotesque an individual you are.
00:26:40.480 Americans have the right to say awful things.
00:26:44.280 Thank God it's in their First Amendment.
00:26:46.460 But if you're not an American, you can say awful things, too, but they can keep you out of their country.
00:26:52.600 And I really hope that all these people around the world who despise America, who deplore and defame America, but then love going to Disneyland or love going to New York to see a show on Broadway or love going somewhere in that wonderful country, get banned.
00:27:09.860 Why not? That's the power of a country to restrict who comes there.
00:27:14.360 Will we, though, get rid of our violent political left, as I predict Donald Trump is going to try to do in the States?
00:27:23.620 Well, here's what Toronto was like this very Saturday morning when armed thugs went to head off some conservative protesters.
00:27:33.000 No retreat! No retreat! No retreat!
00:27:37.260 You, fascists!
00:27:38.780 What's their message to people?
00:27:40.620 Die, fascists!
00:27:43.180 One to the next!
00:27:44.480 It doesn't make any sense, and I think we need to stop that hateful rhetoric.
00:27:48.080 You know, we're all here advocating for nonviolence.
00:27:50.740 I think they should do the same.
00:27:52.280 There's no reason why we can't have a civil discourse here, but...
00:27:55.000 It's never a good thing to shoot someone in the neck because you disagree with their opinion.
00:28:06.480 It's never a good thing.
00:28:07.740 And I think that that should be kind of obvious to people, but it's not, and we've seen that from the other side today.
00:28:12.700 It's not the show! Off our streets!
00:28:15.420 That's how we got in this mess that we're in right now, is because good people did nothing.
00:28:19.420 And it's going to keep on getting worse, and we're not going to have a Canada anymore if we don't protect ourselves.
00:28:25.080 We are about peace. We are about freedom. We are about Canada first. Canadians first.
00:28:32.020 Yeah, we're still Antifa Central up here, aren't we?
00:28:36.860 Stay with us for more.
00:28:37.920 Well, it's tough to sell books in 2025 because so many people are reading little blips and little blogs and little tweets and little Facebook posts on their phone.
00:28:51.900 And really, who has the time to sit down and read a book for minutes in a row?
00:28:57.320 Well, the answer to that is children.
00:29:00.660 Don't we all still read our kids a bedtime story from an actual book with actual illustrations?
00:29:06.840 I don't have any industry statistics to back it up, but my hunch is the child's book category is still strong.
00:29:15.540 It's not the kind of thing that you would read from an iPad or an iPhone to a little one.
00:29:20.760 And so I'm very excited to report that there is a freedom-oriented child's book that has just been published,
00:29:27.900 or actually it'll be officially on shelves in two weeks,
00:29:31.460 and it's written by someone who, in their full-time job, is a freedom advocate.
00:29:37.800 The name of the book is Maple's Garden, a Canadian freedom of speech story.
00:29:44.700 And the author is Christine Van Gein, who is a lawyer for freedom with the Canadian Constitution Foundation.
00:29:52.600 She joins me now from her podcasting studio.
00:29:56.160 Christine, great to see you again, and congratulations.
00:29:58.260 So the book's coming out in two weeks, is that right?
00:30:01.280 Yeah, I have a whole big stack of them on my porch and all over my dining room table,
00:30:06.220 but it should be shipping through Amazon in about a week or two,
00:30:10.860 and it's also available in bookstores like Indigo and Chapters, if that's where you prefer to buy your books.
00:30:16.620 You know, I am terrified by all new books these days,
00:30:20.140 because it feels like they've just been churned out by this wokeness factory.
00:30:24.480 And it's not just children's book.
00:30:26.620 I was at Oxford University, perhaps the most prestigious university in the world.
00:30:30.920 I think it even surpasses Harvard.
00:30:33.500 And the entire bookstore, at least the front of it, was a propaganda machine.
00:30:39.820 If it wasn't about transgender issues, it was about climate issues.
00:30:45.040 And I just thought, is there anything neutral, let alone fighting for freedom?
00:30:52.060 Tell me what motivated you to write a freedom-oriented book for kids.
00:30:58.300 Yeah, so I think there is no more important time than right now to talk to our children about the importance of freedom of expression, freedom of speech.
00:31:06.440 And, you know, in my work, I travel a lot, and I'll go to American historical sites, and I will exit through the gift shop,
00:31:13.260 and I will see all of the amazing books that they have at these historic sites about America's constitutional history.
00:31:20.920 And we're really sadly lacking that in Canada.
00:31:23.900 I've actually been, you know, in working on preparing this book, I bought a few Canadian resources,
00:31:29.400 something parents really want to talk to their children about.
00:31:31.700 And they were either too complicated or just got basic principles wrong.
00:31:37.400 For example, one of the books I was reading talked about rights which are granted to us by our government.
00:31:43.780 At a fundamental level, that's really wrong.
00:31:46.540 We did not gain the right to freedom of speech because Pierre Elliott Trudeau bestowed it upon us.
00:31:52.160 It's a right that we have by virtue of being a human being.
00:31:55.320 And freedom of speech, freedom of expression, I actually think it is a neutral issue.
00:32:01.900 It's an issue for across the political spectrum.
00:32:05.340 It's not ideological.
00:32:07.380 It's a fundamental core part of Western civilization.
00:32:11.480 It's very precious, but it doesn't pass itself down generation by generation.
00:32:16.720 We need to teach these values to our children.
00:32:19.700 And I fear that we're not doing that.
00:32:21.920 And that's why I wanted to write this book.
00:32:23.840 Well, tell me a little bit more about the story, Maple's Garden.
00:32:28.180 So I'm not worried about spoiler alerts because any grownups watching it,
00:32:34.180 they're not the primary book readers.
00:32:36.700 It would be their kids.
00:32:37.760 So tell me a little bit about the story.
00:32:40.100 Because another thing, I suppose, is you want to write a book that's not heavy handed,
00:32:45.260 not a eat your broccoli kind of book.
00:32:47.740 You want to make it still fun for the kids and for the parents to actually read it.
00:32:54.260 So tell me a little bit about the story.
00:32:56.740 Yeah.
00:32:57.000 So you also have to approach it in a really gentle way because freedom of expression.
00:33:01.820 I mean, I wanted to base this on real Canadian case law.
00:33:04.320 And I have to say the cases that end up in court, a lot of the time,
00:33:08.080 the speech at issue in free speech cases is usually something you it's, you know,
00:33:12.920 it's not something you would want to teach your children to say.
00:33:15.360 But the concept of this book is about a little girl who loves nature and she wants to grow a garden
00:33:22.980 on her own property at her own home with plants that she likes.
00:33:28.620 And this has actually been an issue in a lot of cities across Canada where people will have these
00:33:33.540 naturalized gardens where they'll grow things like goldenrod and milkweed.
00:33:38.020 And the cities who hypocritically have their own pollinator gardens will enforce bylaws
00:33:44.900 because Snoopy neighbors send meddling bureaucrats to go and raise these gardens to the ground
00:33:52.220 on private property.
00:33:53.460 And there are a number of cases about this.
00:33:57.460 There's one called Sandy Bell and Toronto out of Toronto.
00:34:00.920 There's one called Ruck and Mississauga out of Mississauga.
00:34:03.960 And the idea is Maple is expressing her views on nature and beauty on her own property the way
00:34:12.280 she wants to.
00:34:13.580 And we all get to decide for ourselves what we believe in and what we think is beautiful.
00:34:20.100 The government doesn't get to make those choices for us.
00:34:23.140 So Maple, when the mayor comes to cut down her garden, she learns about how the charter
00:34:28.040 guarantees the right to freedom of expression.
00:34:30.700 It protects her opinion about her plants.
00:34:34.620 It protects her plants, which are an artistic form.
00:34:38.080 And she goes to court and beats the mayor.
00:34:41.600 And she convinces the people in her society, in her community, that they might like to have
00:34:47.620 a naturalized garden too.
00:34:48.920 And that's the solution to this sort of divisive world we're living in right now.
00:34:53.880 Allow people to express themselves and to convince others of your point of view.
00:35:00.400 Hmm.
00:35:01.120 So was this actually like those two cases you mentioned, were they actual cases where freedom
00:35:09.120 of speech was referred to by the courts?
00:35:11.680 Because it's interesting that you're describing the choice of plants as free, I would say free
00:35:18.440 expression more than free speech.
00:35:20.360 But was that a charter freedom that was litigated?
00:35:22.980 The freedom to plant what I want to plant?
00:35:25.860 It was.
00:35:26.620 Really?
00:35:27.380 Yeah, it was.
00:35:28.180 Because the freedom of expression, which is what we have protected in Canada, includes more
00:35:32.740 than just words, things that you say or things that you write.
00:35:36.860 It includes art, paintings, music, dancing, and yes, gardens, if those gardens are expressing
00:35:44.120 meaning.
00:35:45.540 And you talk to anyone from England who, you know, they love their gardens in England.
00:35:51.020 And that is a really appreciated art form in that country.
00:35:55.840 But North America too, it's a very popular garden.
00:35:57.860 Yes, yes, these are artistic expressions that convey political meaning as well about all
00:36:05.320 kinds of different things that you believe.
00:36:07.860 Hmm.
00:36:08.900 You tell me what's your most beautiful garden you've ever seen.
00:36:11.440 For me, it's the Butchert Gardens in Victoria, BC.
00:36:13.840 Have you ever been there?
00:36:15.080 I have not.
00:36:16.240 But my most beautiful garden, because I'm nostalgic, is the garden my mother planted that I grew
00:36:21.780 up with, which is a forest, a woodland garden.
00:36:24.760 Oh, wow.
00:36:25.320 Now, before we turn the camera on, I asked you about your illustrator, because when you're
00:36:30.080 dealing with children's books, you really want a strong illustrator just to help the
00:36:35.360 imagination get, help get the noggin jogging.
00:36:38.600 Who is Lisa Ng?
00:36:40.540 And you were starting to tell me a story about her political, you know, scars too.
00:36:46.660 Tell me about her.
00:36:47.840 Yeah.
00:36:48.080 So Lisa's not political, but she certainly understands through real life experience what
00:36:55.300 how freedom of expression matters.
00:36:58.180 So Lisa and I grew up together.
00:37:00.060 We went to elementary school together and high school together.
00:37:03.320 And she's a nurse, a professional nurse, as well as a professional artist.
00:37:07.580 And she had her own kind of run ins with the the cancel mob when she had some artwork that
00:37:15.780 she had on display at a public library that the libraries, you know, some people in the
00:37:20.900 community said, we don't like this art.
00:37:22.720 It's too spooky and scary.
00:37:25.840 So they ordered they demanded her art be taken down.
00:37:29.340 But worse than that, during the 2022 Freedom Convoy, Lisa, who's a nurse, so she had a lot
00:37:36.260 of views about what was happening with the pandemic firsthand.
00:37:40.780 She was fascinated with what was happening with the convoy.
00:37:44.580 And she said she felt compelled to paint about it.
00:37:47.980 And she painted this beautiful image of the convoy with some animals, little geese in trucks
00:37:54.100 and things like that.
00:37:55.400 She does a lot of surrealist work and she posted it on her social media.
00:37:59.420 And the mob really came for her in the art community.
00:38:03.440 And to the point she was shocked.
00:38:05.620 She's not a political person.
00:38:07.140 She said, why can't I explore these themes?
00:38:09.560 But she was, you know, she ended up taking down the image because of the reaction that
00:38:15.300 she got.
00:38:15.760 And she was afraid.
00:38:16.840 I mean, she'd never really had an encounter with with something like that.
00:38:21.440 And art is where you need to have the freedom to explore any idea.
00:38:26.860 So to me, it's just so absolutely crazy that the artistic community would say there are
00:38:32.560 subjects that are off limits because, I mean, some of the most controversial things I've
00:38:37.660 seen are in art galleries.
00:38:40.120 The idea you couldn't paint a convoy without some mob coming for you is just shocking to
00:38:45.240 me.
00:38:45.660 So she, in her bones, understood the value of this project as an artist.
00:38:51.220 Wow.
00:38:51.880 Well, now you make me want to find her images.
00:38:55.320 You say they were taken down.
00:38:56.860 That's a shame.
00:38:58.300 Can they be seen anywhere?
00:38:59.620 I mean, geese and truckers.
00:39:02.960 That's a fun comment.
00:39:03.800 I'd just like to see it.
00:39:04.860 Yeah.
00:39:05.020 You know what?
00:39:05.380 I'll send it to you right now so that you can see it.
00:39:08.780 It is available on an interview she did about it, but she took it off her social media.
00:39:14.980 Isn't that crazy?
00:39:17.620 Let me tell you one other thing about finding an artist.
00:39:21.500 So I wanted to work with Lisa because I've known her for a long time.
00:39:25.680 But, you know, as a business, which we are, we're a charity, we need to be cost conscious.
00:39:31.020 So I looked into finding some other Canadian artists.
00:39:33.980 It was really important to me to have a Canadian artist.
00:39:36.060 And I emailed one to do a commission.
00:39:39.140 I wanted to explain the project as well as our organization, which is a civil liberties charity.
00:39:44.900 And the artist wrote back, I guess I'm okay with the idea of freedom of expression, but I'm worried.
00:39:53.060 Do you support the carbon tax or are you against it?
00:39:57.300 And I was shocked because I think the majority of the country at that point was opposed to the carbon tax.
00:40:05.780 And our prime minister was.
00:40:07.340 So I did not reply to that email and the artist did not get that commission.
00:40:11.820 And I was delighted to work with Lisa.
00:40:14.040 You know, there's a saying, and I don't know who said it, but I like to repeat it.
00:40:19.480 It's freedom of speech is the gift you have to give your opponent if you want it for yourself.
00:40:25.940 And that's really hard to do because we know what we don't like.
00:40:31.380 And, but you've got to tolerate it because it's, it really is, you know, what comes around goes around.
00:40:37.100 You've got to, and it's tough to be consistent because there's a lot of things we hate.
00:40:41.660 And for that artist, you just referred to, to say, I'm for free speech, but only if you agree with me on.
00:40:47.100 And what a random thing to say, the carbon tax.
00:40:49.800 I mean, we don't even work on that issue, but I actually am against it now that you're asking.
00:40:55.500 Yeah.
00:40:55.740 You know, and of course, our, our, almost every artist and every artistic form I can imagine depends on freedom of speech.
00:41:05.680 It is the currency of that industry.
00:41:08.200 If you're a factory worker, freedom of speech, you know, you care about it as a person, but it doesn't go straight to the heart of what you do for eight hours a day in a factory.
00:41:17.180 If you're a farmer, I mean, I suppose we've just been talking about expressing yourself through, through horticulture, but if you are an artist, by definition, the root, the heart of what you do is it's your intellectual expression.
00:41:31.420 You, you created it in your mind and you expressed it through your hands or your mouth and, and for an artist to be against free speech is shocking, but in a way, completely unsurprising.
00:41:42.220 The book is called Maple's Garden.
00:41:44.100 It's available on Amazon.com and Amazon.ca, excuse me, and chapters Indigo.
00:41:52.040 Tell me one more thing with the proceeds of this book.
00:41:54.580 They actually go to a good cause, don't they?
00:41:57.640 Yeah.
00:41:57.980 So the, uh, royalties from the book will be going to the CCF.
00:42:03.420 It doesn't go to me.
00:42:04.240 It's going to the Canadian constitution foundation, which is a legal charity that fights for fundamental freedoms in Canada.
00:42:10.360 We were the charity that brought the legal action against the Trudeau government for their use of the emergencies act against the freedom convoy.
00:42:18.300 We also have worked on many cases about naturalized gardens.
00:42:22.540 And so, uh, this is sort of in that vein, if you are into the theme.
00:42:27.540 And so the, the, the royalties from the book will help fund the work that we do at the CCF.
00:42:32.860 Well, that's great.
00:42:33.720 We, we talk a lot about the democracy fund.
00:42:36.520 We talk a lot about the justice center for constitutional freedoms, the JCCF, but I think we should talk more about your organization too, the CCF.
00:42:45.620 Uh, and I know we've talked to you several times before, but I hope that in the future, if there are interesting cases that relate to freedom, including the freedom to garden, I hope you'll bring them to us just to help tell the story.
00:42:58.080 And, and our viewers are very much oriented towards supporting, uh, public interest law, uh, that defends freedom.
00:43:06.800 So don't be shy.
00:43:07.860 Don't be a stranger.
00:43:09.100 Happy to talk about your book.
00:43:10.580 Happy to encourage our viewers to get it.
00:43:12.360 But if you have a case that you think is a fit for our people, bring it over.
00:43:16.620 Okay.
00:43:17.280 I would be delighted.
00:43:18.140 I love, I love talking about our cases because they are all at the cutting edge of civil liberties, defense work in Canada.
00:43:26.700 And I just think I have a dream job.
00:43:29.260 So I'm delighted to talk to anyone who will want to listen to me about the work we do at the CCF.
00:43:34.700 Well, that's great to hear and count us in.
00:43:37.340 Thanks for taking the time with us.
00:43:38.760 We've been talking with Christine Van Gein.
00:43:40.400 She's with the Canadian Constitution Foundation.
00:43:43.300 The book is called Maple's Garden, a Canadian freedom of speech story by Christine and Lisa Ng, the illustrator.
00:43:51.220 Stay with us.
00:43:52.280 More ahead.
00:44:01.360 Hey, welcome back.
00:44:02.500 Your letters to me on the UK man who was arrested, uh, for arguing with police and saying who the F is Allah.
00:44:12.060 Um, Gerald Coffey says, stupid people pleading guilty, never plead guilty.
00:44:17.140 Well, there are times when it makes sense to plead guilty.
00:44:20.040 When, when, um, when, if you are guilty and if you're facing a long sentence and if the guilty plea lets you out earlier.
00:44:28.240 And there, there are some occasions where pleading guilty makes sense, but to get 30 months in prison, why did you plead guilty there?
00:44:36.120 My guess is he was railroaded and didn't have a proper lawyer.
00:44:39.180 That's what makes it so terrible.
00:44:40.440 Lorna Houston says, has Keir Starmer, that's the British Prime Minister, ever actually articulated why he thinks that bringing in huge numbers of Muslims is good for Britain?
00:44:49.060 Or has anyone ever asked him?
00:44:50.720 It is hard to argue against an inarticulated reason.
00:44:54.280 But the reason needs to be uncovered in being answerable to the voters.
00:44:58.380 What is really the bottom of this?
00:45:00.020 It's a very good question.
00:45:00.920 Um, I think that there is an explicit strategy that Tony Blair first revealed that was followed up by Boris Johnson, the conservative to bring in massive numbers of non British immigrants to change the electoral map to basically replace the people because they weren't voting the right way.
00:45:24.380 I don't think the people who made that decision had particular attention to whether they were Islamic or something else.
00:45:32.820 But they just knew they wanted people who were different from the Brits.
00:45:36.660 Um, I mean, it's not just a conspiracy theory.
00:45:40.360 Tony Blair's cabinet made the decision to change the demographics of the country and they're succeeding.
00:45:46.920 Angela Merkel certainly did the same in Germany.
00:45:48.660 And I think it's, it's incontrovertible that Canada did too.
00:45:54.080 Robert Treborable says, even Trevor Phillips says, Robinson and his ilk, a subtle put down.
00:46:02.720 Propaganda is best done subtly.
00:46:04.740 That's a reference to Trevor Phillips, the former head of the UK Human Rights Commission, who has had some sympathetic video and print comments about Tommy's rally on Saturday.
00:46:16.980 And you're right. He does jab Tommy a bit, his ilk, five prison terms, et cetera.
00:46:23.420 I think that's Trevor Phillips throwing in a few things just to, so that the mob doesn't think, oh, you've gotten full Tommy Robinson, because I think he's 90% aligned in his comments with Tommy Robinson.
00:46:37.100 He just doesn't want people to think he's gone all the way over.
00:46:39.720 I should tell you, not this rally, but the previous one, I bumped into Trevor Phillips at the rally.
00:46:44.920 And I think he was sort of startled that I recognized him and he sort of ran away from me when I tried to ask him questions.
00:46:50.100 I actually think he's a really good guy and he's just saying those, his ilk things.
00:46:54.460 So he gets a little bit more latitude at the office.
00:46:57.520 I really think Tommy Robinson is being normalized.
00:47:00.080 I should tell you that it's reported in the British press that the prime minister, Keir Starmer, went on a raging rant against Tommy in cabinet.
00:47:07.820 So he's got their attention.
00:47:10.240 That's our show for today.
00:47:11.800 Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night and keep fighting for freedom.