EZRA LEVANT | UK government secretly flew in thousands of Afghans, silenced media with court order
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Summary
Super Injunction is a court order in the United Kingdom that prevents the media from covering certain news stories. It s an order that can only be applied in a sort of police state. It was requested by the Conservative government in the U.K and kept secret for over a year.
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hello my friends have you ever heard of a super injunction it's sort of incredible it's a court
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order that then orders you not even to talk about the court order you're not even allowed to say
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you know it exists what a shocking thing and a huge one was just lifted in the united kingdom
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tonight the british government convinced the british courts to force the british media to stay silent
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as they secretly flew thousands of afghans into the country it's july 16th and this is the ezra levant show
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there's a legal concept in the united kingdom that we don't have in canada and i don't think they have
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it in the united states either it's called super injunction now you know what the word injunction
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means it's typically an order usually a court order uh an injunction um we have them all the
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time in canada to compel people to do things and one of the kinds of injunctions we have is a court
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ordered publication ban in courts it's usually if there's a minor involved if the if a youth is charged
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with a crime most of the time his identity will be kept secret if a youth is a victim of a crime
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especially a sex crime their identity will be kept secret um another example is a jury trial before
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the jury is selected and sequestered there's a publication ban on any salacious allegations the
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police or the prosecutors might make so the jury pool does not get tainted with some false allegation
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but what these all have in common is you know they exist you know there's a publication ban and you
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know the rough reasons why it's a child it's an accused criminal in some cases the publication ban
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will later be lifted that's sort of normal where we come from but in the uk they have something called a
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super injunction it's an injunction a publication ban that has an extra layer on top you're not even
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allowed to talk about the publication ban it's like a ban on talking about a ban on talking and the idea
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is to swallow up any words that might come from a thing that's going on it's pretty incredible it's
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the most powerful injunction i've ever heard of it feels something that could only be applied in a sort
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of police state i don't even know if a super injunction would be lawful in the united states with
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their first amendment and i don't think it's ever been tried in canada but there has been a super
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injunction in the uk that was only lifted about a day and a half ago and only now are we learning
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about the most astonishing thing first of all this super injunction was actually requested by the
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government and by the way super injunctions they're against the whole world i think the phrase in latin is
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ad mundum the entire world is ordered by a court in the uk to stay silent about something obviously
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if the fact had leaked out in the united states someone on enterprising could have published it
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there and taunted the british courts but this was such an unusual case it was requested by the british
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government it was granted by the british courts it kept the fact secret even from members of parliament
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and members of the house of lords that's their version of the senate over there so cabinet ministers
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knew about it the prime minister knew about it but not even mps and i remind you that this super
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injunction about two years ago it kept the secrets during the last uk elections which were actually on
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july 4th of last year just over a year ago so this super injunction was brought in by the conservative
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government run by rishi sunak at the time one of the worst prime ministers in british history
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but the labor party won the election on july 4th and they kept this super injunction in place i say again
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it was the government that requested it and the new labor prime minister keir starmer who's a lawyer himself
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both of the parties labor and conservative both of the leaders rishi sunak and keir starmer
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are for open borders mass immigration and both of them supported a super injunction about the most
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insane story you're ever going to hear it's crazy it's kooky it's absurd it's laughable and it is the
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state of affairs over there here is their current defense minister trying to explain the british public
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have always recognized the bravery and dedication of our outstanding armed forces personnel who serve
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around the world to keep our nation safe the uk made a commitment to the afghans who worked for and
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with our armed forces during combat operations in afghanistan it was a commitment that we would repay
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the moral obligation we owed to those who fought alongside us resettling them in the uk through the
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afghan relocations and assistance policy resettlement scheme or arup for short the defense secretary has
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now announced that in february 2022 under the previous government a defense official mistakenly emailed
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a data set containing personal information of thousands of afghan citizens who had applied to the
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arup scheme this serious and shocking data breach discovered 18 months later was a clear violation of
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data protection protocols the previous government responded by requesting an injunction to prevent
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public disclosure of the breach and setting up a secret afghan response route to resettle afghans at the
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highest risk of taliban reprisals due to the breach we are now announcing that we are closing
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the route and supporting the injunction being lifted putting this into the public domain for proper
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scrutiny for the very first time although the details of the route were not public everyone who came to
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the uk under this route has already been counted and published as part of the existing immigration figures
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to date under this route around 4 500 people have been resettled or are in transit to the uk
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a small proportion of total afghan arrivals when we came into office we began a detailed assessment of
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the situation which led to an independent review led by a former deputy chief of defense intelligence
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you're finding out now because the independent review commissioned by our government concluded that the
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threat has come down and after carefully considering risk transparency and cost to the taxpayer we have
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decided to close the scheme and bring it into public knowledge we have now notified affected individuals
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launched a dedicated website to support and provide guidance to those affected and reaffirmed our commitment
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to processing any applications that are outstanding within afghan resettlement schemes you may rightly be
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concerned as i was by this information but our action shows this government will take the decisions
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necessary to ensure transparency and accountability while maintaining our commitment to those who
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serve alongside our armed forces over many years he started off by saying that there was a moral obligation
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to bring all the afghans to the uk where did that obligation come from is there a moral obligation
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to bring home the whole idea of going to war in afghanistan if i recall george w bush correctly was to
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fight the bad guys over there so as not to have them over here and uh there is no vetting of these afghans and in fact
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certain who were flagged as having uh security risks are allowed in anyways he says that 4500 came through the
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scheme but other reports put it up to 24 000 and in fact they're allowed to bring their families with them which means
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there'll be well over 100 000 afghans brought into the united kingdom and uh they have some sort of
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moral claim here's a new story that one man brought 14 dependents with him just incredible there is no
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security reason a screening and even those with red flags as i say are accepted they are allowed to choose
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whether or not they want to work if they want to great not sure what their skill set is and if they
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don't want to that's fine too the british will house them and give them welfare for the rest of their lives
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and i guess their children's lives and their grandchildren's lives they're allowed to bring in their family
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and veterans report that they are getting preferential housing these thousands of afghans that were brought
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in in unmarked planes secretly under this super injunction many of them were housed at housing on
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military bases as in the housing that was supposed to go to military families veterans say they were
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kicked out and these afghans were allowed in um they're quickly learning the british way or they're
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quickly being weaponized by british lawyers not sure which is which i see it 650 of these afghans have now
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decided to sue the british government for a data link so these are people from a medieval level
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economy the average gdp per capita in afghanistan is 450 dollars a year they live on less than
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a dollar fifty a day you better believe they're going to be millionaires when they're done
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suing the government for this data leak were there really tens of thousands of afghan translators that
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sounds a bit high soldiers are saying there were tops one thousand and even if you take the
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government's numbers which i don't that 4500 have since come over it's clearly a political decision to
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use this as an excuse to bring them in seriously there are data leaks all the time since when is this
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kind of a policy decision kept a secret during an election no less total complicity of what i call the
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union party the uh in canada uh i think we've broken away from the union party the conservative
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party is has a different point of view but in the uk the uk labor and the uk conservatives on this issue
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of immigration are in lockstep with each other and what of the media itself most media did not know
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about this but there were several reporters who were in the thick of the story they were called into
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government offices and handed the super injunction as were their companies now some of them did
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lawyer up and try and argue for the super injunction to be lifted you have to give them credit for that
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but they failed as you heard and for two years this was a secret there were reporters who knew about
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it and decided to abide the law the greatest secret in recent uk history i suppose there were greater secrets
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during various wars but this was a peace time decision to cover up a political failure not a national
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security story their lawyers tried to get their super injunction lifted but none of the journalists involved
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thought this story was important enough to break it against the injunction now that would be contempt of
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court it would be against the law to publish this story in the face of this ruling uh but none of them put
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thought they was of a great enough public interest that they would suffer those consequences and none
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of them thought that perhaps they would inform someone in the united states on the lowdown and have
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them publish it because i think actually in the united kingdom the regime in the media i think they
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get called the regime media fairly they agree with the open borders government you sort of had a
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teamwork effort here you had the labor party and the conservative party both demanding from the court
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party that the media party and i use party for each of them because they're all the same point of
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view they're all on the same team and they all agreed with each other and there wasn't a single dissident
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willing to risk it let me quote to you from someone who i enjoy reading what he has to say it's dominic
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cummings a former senior advisor to boris johnson who's i guess you could call him sort of like the
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steve bannon of the uk let me just read his tweet which is spot on um some of the names may not ring
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a bell but it's not even that important next move on wallace's afghan debacle lawyers swarming to bring
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compensation cases for the afghans they've been traumatized mental health i showed you that's
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already happening so as well as moving soldiers families out of their homes for the afghans as well
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as bringing the dude who blackmailed the ministry of defense because obviously he was at risk and
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afghanistan they actually did that the guy who who who said i caught you and bring his family because
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the european convention on human rights uh gives a right to family life and bringing all the rest of
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the families also because the uh convention on human rights costing billions the next move will be to
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billions to compensate them for bringing them here then there'll be the billions in benefits then
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there'll be all the money spent dealing with their inevitable crimes and remember our courts have
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decreed and our mps have accepted that the worse their crimes abroad the more they are protected by the
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european uh convention on human rights because the more at risk they are if deported from reprisals in
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countries outside the echr and remember the courts have decreed that no crime however horrific is more
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important than giving them their rights to family life even when these rights apply to stepchildren
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they have raped the system is working bang on as intended and will continue until regime change
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i know that sounds crazy but that's already happening suing because of the data leak okay so
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you brought them to the uk well suing because you forced us to come to the uk and then we don't want
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a job and they are not going to be asked to have a job because they were relocated it is the worst
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and and to call this a state secret shows that you can't trust freedom of speech anymore they're all
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in on it just incredible in case you missed it the blackmailer himself was allowed in it's just i this
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is the most astonishing thing i've seen and it reminds me of my friend tommy robinson who served seven
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months in prison because he published a video that he believed was in the public interest that a court
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told him was not i'm talking about his own documentary on censorship tommy made the decision
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that the world had to see that and over 160 million people saw it on twitter before he took it down
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he paid a big price for that and he told me he didn't regret it not so for the regime journalists
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they were only too happy to keep this whole disgraceful mess a secret by the way in the uk they
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often measure crimes based on nationality something i think we should do here in canada too and in
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every study afghans are the rapiest they rape at a far higher rate than any other nationality
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because rape is tolerated in afghanistan it is culturally accepted and this was something that
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astonished british american and canadian forces who served in afghanistan they would come across these
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young boys there's a phrase bachabazi they were dancing boys they were sexual slaves for the afghan allies
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of the west and the nightly screaming of the boys gave many soldiers ptsd if you don't believe me
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take a look at this i've heard this story a hundred times this is just one of a thousand instances
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of western allied soldiers in this case brits saying to their afghan allies why are you raping the
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children watch this all the way through he actually explains his rationale at the end
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before that um briefing had happened major stuber knew that three young boys had been shot dead on
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police patrol bases all three of them were chai boys so young boys had been abducted by the police
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commanders and were used as servants they served tea but also sex slaves they're they're raped by the
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police commanders and you see them on every base you see you see several boys sometimes in uniform
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sometimes not but 13 14 years old it's it's very common practice there
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three of them had been shot dead by the police one possibly by another chai boy nobody's quite sure
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and he's just found out that a fourth boy has been shot at point blank range in the leg for trying
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to escape and you know i was there so he let me follow him to meet the acting police chief
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and confront him about this yesterday we had unfortunate days come in a young boy about 13
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maybe 14 years of age was shot now there's a couple of things on there that that you and i have talked
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about we've we've had we've had all the pv commanders in this very room about having young boys and
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civilians on pvs i have mentioned it 20 times i know i know why was there a boy on that pv why
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what did that commander say you absolutely disgusting put aside the seven billion pounds
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that have already been spent on this scheme put aside the smashing of democracy to get this done
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in secret put aside the fact that the courts were in cahoots with both parties and that the media well
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they protested i'll give them that but no one was brave enough to break the ban put aside all that
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they are bringing in thousands of men who you know are liars there weren't 24 000 translators for the
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brits and who as a nation rape do you think that's suddenly going to end because they're on an eight
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hour flight to london stay with us for more for an excerpt from our new weekly show called the buffalo
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hey welcome back you know we have a daily live stream sheila gun reed typically hosts that with
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different partners sometimes lise merle sometimes david menzies and we're starting a new segment
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every week we're doing a show on the west and western independence and western issues
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saskatchewan alberta the prairies bc and let me show you an excerpt from today's debut episode take a look
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oh hey good morning everybody my name is sheila gun reed i'm the host of our daily news and opinion
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show rebel roundup and what we're bringing to you today is the inaugural episode of something we're
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calling the buffalo panel wherein we devote the at least first half of the live stream to western
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related issues and so it won't just be me talking about these things on wednesday i am always joined by
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my real life best friend and regina based co-host lise merle but we are also going to be going forward
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bringing in a rotating cast of panelists and i am really excited to tell you about today's panelists
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not just because one of them signs my paycheck uh so that should be an indication that our one of our
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panelists today is of course uh rebel news boss man ezra levant he'll be joining us from the studio
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in toronto but don't worry we it's not like we have an eastern elite telling us westerners
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what to think and what to say ezra is of course an albertan at heart and by birth and we're also
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bringing in our friend cory morgan he's a columnist and host over at the western standard but he's also
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someone who has thought deeply enough about western issues that he wrote a book called the
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sovereignist handbook so we will be bringing in our panelists olivia do we want to do that now
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i'm sort of flying line there's everybody it looks great what a surprise um and i guess i'm
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going to be leading the conversation um you are going to uh join me as i learn how to fly the airplane
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after it has taken off of the tarmac and so we're all just we're in this together now and there's no
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getting out so um ezra i guess you know you're you're the boss of the company why are we doing all
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of this sure i mean as you mentioned i was born and raised in in alberta and my heart is still there
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although i've been in toronto long enough that i can no longer claim i'm in exile this is home for me
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now i want to let you know though if you go from alberta and go west and go west and now you're over
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the pacific and keep going west and now you're over asia and keep going west if you go west far
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enough you will reach toronto so i'm actually super far west i'm the deep west even though i'm here in
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the big smoke all right i'm kidding i'm just a self-conscious but look toronto is the capital
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of many things in this country it's the capital of business it's the capital of immigration it's the capital
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of media and political correctness but alberta and the west in general is the capital of
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entrepreneurialism the capital of the free market of individualism and it's a restless place of ideas
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so many great ideas that benefit the whole country come from the west and at first they're sometimes
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ridiculed like ralph klein for example but soon those ideas catch on preston manning on the books
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was unsuccessful but he planted the seeds of ideas i put it to you were it not for preston
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manning paul martin would not have balanced the budget it would not have become a sort of political
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requirement in parliament for all parties stephen harper jason kenney so many ideas and thought
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leaders come from the west and it is a different culture it is obviously true that quebec is a distinct
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society of course their language itself tells you that newfoundland's a distinct society i'll have
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you know and the west is too and so we have a deep respect for all things western you're our chief
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reporter based in the west and i think hosting this weekly conversation called the buffalo which by the
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way was supposed to be the name of the first province of one province together alberta and saskatchewan
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we're supposed to join confederation together as a mighty province called the buffalo on september
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1st 1905 they were split at birth anyways it's our homage to the west we love the west and this show
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which will be hosted in the west and dominated by the west is there to prove it so thanks for letting
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me rant a little bit it's great to see lease who does such a great job every week and i've really
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come to know and admire and appreciate uh cory morgan for his deep thinking on this idea we've had the
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pleasure of working with cory at a few of our town halls recently and i really regard him as a thought
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leader someone who has really pondered how would it work what should it be what it should not be and
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so to have him on the show first of all we love the western standard i have a little bit of paternity
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in that name was myself and we're grateful to uh you being so collegial uh cory we know you work for
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western standard which on paper is a competitor of rebel news but we regard you as an ally first
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and foremost so thanks for being here and thanks for letting me have a few introductory words like
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that that's great and it's uh sorry to interrupt you cory it's great to see a physical newsroom
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that's kind of jarring i don't see many of those these days they're rare derek's pretty uh pretty
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stubborn about wanting to have an actual newsroom let me go okay i think we'll get right into it just to
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respect everybody's time um we have uh the alberta government launching the alberta next panels um
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where according to the premier they're talking about big ideas like provincial policing pension reform
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and protecting our rights from federal overreach um but i guess i'll go to lease first uh why isn't
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saskatchewan doing this well that that is a fantastic question sheila gunbreed because if you are in
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saskatchewan looking for your provincial politicians you would be hard pressed to find them other other
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than outside of uh uh very small pressers making very uh important but small announcements um we are
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not having conversations like this on the provincial level in saskatchewan and we should be because as uh
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if if if left up to the people um without without any well guidance or or leadership well the people
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might be apt to do something drastic in the next election like give us an ndp government which would
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be terrible so uh it would be great it'd be great to see our provincial government to to do something
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similar now i i want to show a couple clips that came out of that panel uh we've sort of gone through a
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few of them um one from jeffrey rath so jeffrey rath co-founder of the alberta prosperity project
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um was at the alberta next panel and he questioned the premier over federal tax collection on the open
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mic portion so let's show that clip and then i i want to get uh some feedback from you guys about what you
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think went down there olivia ottawa continues or has ignored us and will continue to ignore us it
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doesn't matter what we do here tonight or what the outcome of this is they will continue to ignore us
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there's one question one question only that needs to be on on a referendum and that is do you support
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alberta exiting canadian confederation and becoming a sovereign nation at that point at that point then
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you'll be able to negotiate with ottawa then you'll be able to negotiate with quebec without that they
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will continue to ignore us if they do not know that we are serious and we can leave at any point in
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time we will not ever get a pipeline to the atlantic ocean it is time to put the uh separation uh question
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on a ballot so the alberta people can decide thank you thank you
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i would okay that was the wrong clip that wasn't the jeffrey rath one but that was um just a clip of
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just what happened on the open mic i think the alberta government might think that this alberta
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next panel could placate people um but i think they're going to get a lot of that on the open
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mic portion where people are saying look we we have to vote to separate even if it just means a
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negotiating tool cory what do you think well yeah premier smith's in a tough spot because while
00:29:13.260
the majority of her party membership tend to be sympathetic towards independence the majority of
00:29:18.060
the province isn't quite there yet she has to appeal to the majority of the province to try and
00:29:22.940
stay in power there's concerns among people can you know already dedicated to the independence
00:29:28.860
approach or a referendum approach that this is going to be like jason kenny's fair deal panel where
00:29:33.340
a bunch of hearings were held a bunch of talk was had and nothing happened so is this actually going
00:29:39.180
to lead towards something towards changes whether it's a referendum or things like a pension plan
00:29:44.380
or collecting our own taxes or is just just an exercise that's kicking the can down the road so
00:29:50.300
i i believe that part of her challenge as she holds this challenge around the province is is to make sure
00:29:55.740
that people feel confident that this is more than just a navel-gazing exercise and it's going to lead
00:30:00.860
to something or if anything it's going to divide the the party potentially and uh cause some issues from within
00:30:07.100
lisa um i i love how the government of alberta is is saying you know hi we would like to talk about
00:30:15.820
pensions and policing and and some of our some of our smaller issues and the people of alberta come
00:30:20.540
in guns blazing like nope we need to threaten to leave we need to threaten to leave right now
00:30:25.340
and there's no way that the the government of alberta can pretend that they didn't hear them loud and
00:30:31.180
clear i think this is going to be something we hear at every single one of their alberta next panels
00:30:35.820
and uh and it'll be interesting to see how the government of alberta responds because cori's
00:30:40.700
right of course they have to of course they have to um um ask the people of alberta what they want
00:30:49.420
next to happen but they can't ignore the the humongous elephant in the room where a great many of their
00:30:57.900
supporters are saying we've had enough asking the federal government to play nice and we're done
00:31:03.420
so it'll be interesting to see well it is sorry go ahead boss oh you know i was i was listening to
00:31:09.340
that question asker and i don't know who who that was um but i like what he said and and here's my
00:31:15.340
thoughts um there's a saying in politics have as many people to your right as to your left that's
00:31:22.300
one of morton blackwell's rules and it's good for danielle smith and for her party and for her
00:31:30.300
other mlas and for her cabinet ministers to know that there are people to her right and so they
00:31:36.380
cannot be ignored they don't have to necessarily be obeyed to the letter but it's always a good
00:31:42.060
it if you have as many to your right as to your left you're going to walk a straight line you never
00:31:46.540
want to be in the position where you silence that one side then you'll start to curve to the left
00:31:51.180
and others need to hear it too people and it by definition it makes danielle smith look moderate
00:31:58.300
and reasonable if you have people asking for her to be harder lying so i am in no way um objecting to to
00:32:06.940
that and and uh it's so it shows the media it shows ottawa observers that there is something cooking
00:32:14.860
in alberta the entire federal government was recalibrated after the last separatist referendum
00:32:22.380
about 30 years ago to detect any inkling of upset into quebec and immediately ameliorate or or in some
00:32:31.420
ways attend to it they don't have the same seismograph in alberta so you have to magnify the sounds of
00:32:40.780
discontent for ottawa to hear it they don't care as much they don't have as many political operators
00:32:46.460
on the ground they don't have as many cabinet ministers so it's important that ottawa and the
00:32:51.740
ottawa media know that there is discontent in alberta so i'm pleased with what i just saw there
00:32:58.460
one last thing i would say is whenever you open up the mics it's probably a good idea to have a few of
00:33:04.060
your friends there who are saying something that you want to be the topic of conversation because if
00:33:09.820
you're having a forum especially a traveling forum and you're opening it up to anyone other people
00:33:15.180
will say ah now i've got a platform for my agenda and that's fine it's part of democracy just make
00:33:21.260
sure that her agenda that she knows what it is and she has people there to elocute it because others
00:33:28.060
will make their points too anyway i was pleased with what you just showed yeah me too uh now we've
00:33:33.340
found the clip of jeffrey rath uh co-founder of the app he's questioning the premier over federal tax
00:33:38.540
collection on the open mic portion and i think she's going to get a ton of this as these things
00:33:44.780
go forward um and kudos to the app because these are tough questions that people want to ask
00:33:53.420
but go ahead my name is jeffrey rath i'm from foothills alberta
00:33:59.580
so premier the first thing i wanted to say with the greatest of respect when you say there's no legal
00:34:04.780
mechanism to stop sending taxes to ottawa and collecting 100 of the taxes in alberta with the
00:34:10.460
greatest respect you're incorrect the legal mechanism is section one sub three of the clarity act
00:34:16.620
and that's voting alberta the hell out of canada on a clear question thank you now and then the last
00:34:23.020
my last point on that is uh simply on a moving forward basis i'd like to see a straw poll in this room
00:34:29.260
and that's one not do we want to spend another five or ten years bashing our heads against an
00:34:33.980
unamendable constitution versus how many people in this room want a clear vote on independence
00:34:38.860
within the next 12 months okay so thank you but go ahead uh i i actually disagree with him that
00:34:46.300
there's no mechanism by which to withhold taxes to the federal government because scott moe did that
00:34:52.780
with the carbon tax and basically said come and get me and they didn't because well frankly i don't think
00:34:58.620
there are big enough handcuffs he's got ham hocks for fists but he called their bluff they didn't do
00:35:04.460
anything when he said we're not sending the carbon tax yeah the the federal government was completely
00:35:10.460
he called their bluff is what he did um and they they didn't do anything in response however when you're
00:35:16.300
talking about um when you're talking about income taxes or or or taxes that can't be argued
00:35:24.220
constitutionally i think that's probably what the question was we didn't hear the question in the lead
00:35:28.060
up um why don't you just turn turn off the bags of money going to ottawa and danielle smith replied
00:35:33.500
that there's no legal mechanism um but i love that jeffrey rath just barges in and goes well actually
00:35:38.940
there is a solution to this where danielle smith you know where where premier's or danielle smith would
00:35:44.380
have said you know there is no way for us to really do that we we have agreements in place legal
00:35:50.700
requirements in place that make us send the money to ottawa and in comes jeffrey rath with with an
00:35:56.620
absolute solution like i love the sound of that i love the sound of that well if we if we don't
00:36:02.780
have a legal mechanism yet let's use the legal mechanism that we do have let's let's find
00:36:07.420
solutions so go ahead corey yeah well currently i mean part of what that question comes into and i
00:36:13.660
know jeff always wants to go to the the final nuclear solution which you know i'm sort of on board
00:36:19.820
i don't think there's quite enough albert is on board for it yet but i like moving towards it he's doing a
00:36:24.060
a lot of work towards it as is the app but getting back to that i i think it's a it's an extension of
00:36:29.820
what's been talked about since the alberta agenda in quebec there's two separate tax returns your
00:36:34.060
provincial and your federal and they're talking about splitting it so alberta would have its own
00:36:39.020
provincial form its own federal one it doesn't solve every problem but it keeps inching us towards
00:36:44.860
that door it takes away one more question where people say well what will you do if you uh become
00:36:49.740
independent how are you going to deal with tax collection well you know as a matter of fact we
00:36:53.260
have our own agency we have our own setup we'll just change the rates and then just you know stop
00:36:58.060
with the federal uh uh dispersion of it so it's it's another one of those things kind of along the
00:37:03.660
lines of the alberta agenda moving towards it but it doesn't stop things like gst remittance corporate
00:37:08.940
taxes it's a little more nuanced than that but it's one more step that could be pursued and incremental
00:37:14.860
step yeah yeah incremental steps towards sovereignty yeah yeah and i think it's important to actually
00:37:20.700
to show people just how much money they're sending to the feds to have those two separate forms i think
00:37:25.820
it is it's important uh in the arguments of transparency um but also speaking of incremental
00:37:33.260
steps i don't know if you guys saw that fraser institute uh report this week uh median workers in
00:37:40.380
alberta could receive 72 percent more under the alberta pension plan compared to the canada pension
00:37:46.300
plan just by repatriating our pension that's how much more we could save that's another incremental
00:37:53.500
step that albertans could do and i don't think it has been properly explained by the provincial
00:37:59.820
government to people um on this issue i i see that there's a lot of opposition to an alberta pension plan
00:38:08.220
and i think when the dollars and cents are explained i don't know how anybody could object to it
00:38:14.380
yeah that that was one of the things the alberta prosperity project was really pushing on as well
00:38:19.420
and the provincial government sort of blew the roll out when they started talking about a
00:38:23.100
provincial pension plan and they kind of lost the narrative and it allowed opponents to really
00:38:27.740
inject fear because people are fearful and i saw that when i traveled to meetings there's a lot
00:38:31.100
of seniors on fixed income they've they're afraid of change and even though you explain
00:38:36.220
you know by the numbers you would certainly be better off under a provincial plan but it's it's
00:38:41.900
not been successful in undercutting that nervousness with them so the the numbers are there the benefits
00:38:47.420
are most definitely there and it would certainly put pressure on ottawa because if they lost that extra
00:38:52.460
revenue that's showing up the plan from one of the provinces they're going to have to really uh
00:38:57.420
approach the rest of canadians to explain why they're going to have to cut benefits or raise uh
00:39:01.500
premiums but the alberta government really has to frame it better the fraser institute's doing what
00:39:06.700
they already should have done i think the obvious thing to do is to set up an alberta pension plan
00:39:12.780
and let people choose it if they want so they don't have to leave the cpp and i think almost
00:39:19.340
immediately when people say oh it's not it hasn't been a catastrophe i'm getting more bang for the buck
00:39:25.820
people will move over but i think cory's right and one of the things donald trump has insisted on
00:39:30.780
is not doing things that would scare seniors not talking about those kind of entitlements he's got
00:39:36.620
bigger fights to fight let me use one more trump uh lesson because there are some lessons with a man who
00:39:42.780
wants to do something radical and in his case um the re-migration of millions of people he calls invaders
00:39:49.980
um who is his architect of that well the man on the ground who's getting it done is named tom homan
00:39:57.420
and he's a he's a military style can-do ass kicker kind of cop uh character but he's using a strategy
00:40:07.020
quarterback by the deputy chief of staff named stephen miller who is using such creative legal means
00:40:14.220
for example a law from the 18th century i think it's called the illegal the alien act or something
00:40:20.940
like to deal like laws that have not been used in centuries um legal in legal tools that have never
00:40:28.460
been used maybe the democrats have used them but never a republican and i think that danielle smith needs
00:40:33.900
to get legally savvy quick let me tell you two recent examples saying she's not in her transgender
00:40:42.780
compromise which was quite balanced she rather naively i might say did not include the not
00:40:49.340
withstanding clause in the first draft well gee whiz what do you think uh a trudeau court is going to
00:40:54.540
do to that find it a violation of the charter why not just dispense with this laurentian taboo against
00:41:01.180
the section 33 notwithstanding clause just put it right in there and you'll have the cbc huff and
00:41:06.060
puff about it for a couple days but so what it's part of the charter so and and i see just the other
00:41:11.820
day i almost couldn't believe it when we covered the story i sent a note to sheila saying is this
00:41:16.460
true and i checked it out it's true that again on the trans issue uh the province is saying we can't
00:41:22.860
stop out of province trans athletes from competing in alberta who told you that that's that's exactly
00:41:31.500
what you can do you can't stop albertans in other provinces doing shenanigans there because you know
00:41:37.580
but you have absolute jurisdiction in alberta over things that happen in alberta and if you don't
00:41:45.100
you need lawyers and i know that i myself like lawyers too much but and people from the conservative
00:41:54.380
side especially populists have a well-deserved skepticism and even in some cases a dislike for
00:42:02.540
lawyers lawyer jokes there's a lot of reasons we don't like lawyers because sometimes they're on the
00:42:07.340
cutting edge of things we of illegal moves we hate but on the same side a smart talented creative
00:42:14.860
lawyer on our side evens the odds so i would say this i think danielle smith who herself is not a
00:42:22.300
lawyer and i don't think she particularly thinks like a lawyer needs to find herself as steven miller
00:42:28.780
needs to find someone she completely trusts to quarterback the legal strategy and it may mean going to the
00:42:36.780
private sector it is not an unusual thing for the government to hire private lawyers who are
00:42:40.940
experts in their field if you dip into the lawyers at the justice department odds are you're going to
00:42:45.980
get that bureaucratic ndp mindset a career lawyer in the government of alberta based in edmonton is
00:42:52.300
going to be a lefty is going to be on the wrong side of all these issues danielle smith needs to find
00:42:57.180
yourself as steven miller a a killer lawyer who is not crazy but who is radical they're different and
00:43:06.860
she needs to take a lawfare approach to it because i promise you they're going to take a lawfare approach
00:43:12.860
to her and they already are so whether it's knowing how to navigate things on the constitutional file and
00:43:18.380
sovereignty or how to get her agenda through uh prickly courts she needs a legal dream team i don't
00:43:27.340
think she has one i think she needs to get one i think it's got to come from outside government
00:43:33.500
because the government lawyers aren't it it would double her effectiveness she will be undone in the
00:43:39.740
courts more than she will be undone in the polls thanks for letting me rant no i'm glad you did um
00:43:46.220
okay let's uh my job to keep us on track here uh just more over to ezra's point about
00:43:53.340
uh the premier needing to have people to the right of her um she after her i think
00:44:01.260
i don't want to say heated but probably energetic frisky uh albert next panel uh she tweeted out that
00:44:07.580
albertans aren't afraid to speak their minds and that's exactly what we saw at the alberta next panel
00:44:12.780
these conversations matter because they shape the bold future we're building together now
00:44:19.660
i appreciate her saying those things insofar as she's not responding the way jason kenney would
00:44:26.700
to those sorts of criticisms that her panel faced at the mic what did jason kenney call his own base
00:44:33.340
that disagreed with him lunatics kooky what did he say he said he needs a new base um he called uh
00:44:40.620
separatists in alberta grifters uh so instead of risk i mean instead of responding in language that
00:44:49.020
you could expect from the likes of justin trudeau to talk about albertans she actually said like look
00:44:55.020
people are frustrated and we need to talk to them she at least acknowledges that these people by and large
00:45:00.700
are in the ucp fold yeah well she's showing respect to a different point of view and giving them that
00:45:06.460
that that time at the microphone and recognizing and it's a balancing act you know not coming out
00:45:11.660
right and saying that she necessarily agrees with their views but they certainly have every right to
00:45:15.900
express them and it represents a large segment of albertans i think what's going to keep coming to a
00:45:21.100
head though is people want to head to the referendum there's all these other questions but as you
00:45:25.740
could see all roads keep leading to that referendum i think you know again she shouldn't take a side on
00:45:31.340
the referendum perhaps but she needs to facilitate make it clear it's going to be held so that way that
00:45:36.220
the energy for those who want full independence could be directed towards there and making that path
00:45:41.900
otherwise everybody will just keep answering at these panels look these are great ideas but we need
00:45:48.060
the referendum so i i think that just needs to be peeled off and move towards it yeah agreed and i don't
00:45:53.660
think there's there's a a leader in the country who does it better than danielle smith when she says
00:46:00.220
albert well says without saying the people of alberta will are smart enough to decide for themselves
00:46:06.300
she gives the people of alberta the credit where credit is due she knows that um the people of alberta
00:46:11.900
have had it with the federal government and have some some real burning ideas about what happens next
00:46:17.340
and she's unafraid to listen to them nobody listens better than danielle smith nobody
00:46:21.500
yeah i i can't imagine that she thought that these alberta next panels would go any other way than they
00:46:27.180
exactly are like you know what i mean like she had to have expected that uh her panelists would be
00:46:33.420
getting an absolute earful about separation on the mic and they should be unafraid to get an absolute
00:46:38.380
earful these are these are the people that they're meant to govern these are the people that elected them
00:46:42.060
they should be unafraid to listen to them and and they're doing a they're doing a bang up job of listening
00:46:46.380
you know i was a young boy once and uh i was caught up in the excitement of the populist conservative
00:46:55.580
movement of the day called the reform party although preston manning sometimes claimed it
00:47:00.860
wasn't conservative i remember a speech he would give where he says like a hockey team it had a right
00:47:06.300
wing and a left wing sometimes he sort of talked in a christian way that he thought there could be a grand
00:47:14.300
harmony of left and right it was an unusual opinion anyways i i i probably went to a hundred events
00:47:21.740
with preston manning i was the head of the young reformers at the university of calgary and then i
00:47:26.220
became sort of a busy body troublemaker and then later i went to work for preston and i observed a
00:47:31.660
strategy or a tactic that he had and as he used it especially when he was at big party conferences
00:47:39.820
where he wanted to do big things for example i remember when the reform party just ran candidates
00:47:46.220
in the four western provinces and i remember when he wanted to expand that nationwide well that's a
00:47:52.700
tough tough move isn't it when your motto is the west wants in and you're trying to fight for the west
00:47:57.980
and now you're going to run candidates in toronto well preston would shape the question and he would provide
00:48:05.180
two different answers and he would put it to the ballot but he would frame them in a way that you
00:48:11.900
knew which one you sort of had to do he sort of cooked pre-cooked the answer and it wasn't particularly
00:48:18.140
democratic but he it was endorsed by the people it's just that the choices he put to them were his own
00:48:24.780
and stephen harper later criticized that my point is he knew the desired outcome for his plan
00:48:31.260
and he got it um he didn't win everything in the end he was turfed by stockwell they supporters and
00:48:37.580
then turned on them but my point is what is danielle smith's plan i think she would like to remain
00:48:45.740
a premier within canada i think so so how can she craft a strategy and put questions to the people
00:48:54.140
that take some of the energy from the independence movement and apply it to get the things that she wants
00:49:00.620
if that's what she wants i don't think she wants to be the first leader of an independent albert i
00:49:07.660
don't think so um is she using this as a bargaining chip against ottawa i don't know but i'm just trying
00:49:14.460
to think to how preston manning managed some very challenging issues and he had a tactic that he put the
00:49:20.780
choice to people i don't exactly know what danielle smith's proposed future is um maybe she's still
00:49:28.460
figuring it out and that's another thing i mean i like danielle smith's unknowners since uh we were
00:49:34.060
in university together i don't quite know who her inner kitchen cabinet is i don't mean her legal
00:49:41.500
cabinet but who does she call when she really wants an honest chat and honest advice from people
00:49:48.380
she believes are looking out for her i don't know who that is especially on this issue you're right
00:49:55.020
least when you say that she listens very well she does but you can't just be like a seat cushion
00:50:01.180
and have the impression of the last person who sat on you you have to have your own core values you
00:50:07.020
want to absorb information and you want to tip your hat to other forces within democracy it's got to be
00:50:13.580
some compromise and log rolling it's got to be but what is her destination what is her destiny where
00:50:20.300
does she want to go preston knew it i don't know if danielle smith knows it maybe she does is she
00:50:27.340
articulating it does she have really trusted lieutenants including like i say the stephen miller
00:50:33.660
character who's going to be the absolutely killer uh strategist and tactician i don't know but i think
00:50:41.260
she needs that because she will be up against every force of the establishment in ottawa and frankly
00:50:48.220
pierre pauliev is going to run or campaign for an united canada of course he is he's part of the
00:50:53.500
federalist party and the media all will run against her and the unions will run against her and the
00:50:59.180
deep state will run against her so she's got to get smart and tough and i'm not saying she can't i'm
00:51:03.980
just saying she's got a limited amount of time what do you think of that corey do you do you know where
00:51:09.420
her destination is do you know what she's trying to do and do you know who her trusted advisors are
00:51:14.300
i i sort of agree with where you're going on it i i don't believe she wants to become the president
00:51:20.300
of an independent alberta or something like that but she also understands there's just a growing uh
00:51:26.620
rift that she has to somehow fill as for who's inside it's interesting rob anderson you know is
00:51:32.220
her chief of staff that's not the kitchen cabinet sort of thing but he was uh quite vocal prior to
00:51:38.060
joining premier smith again in in in this government as a uh you know the free west uh
00:51:43.500
group that he had going with barry cooper and others so if there's any voice talking in her ear
00:51:48.140
it's probably mr anderson's lately and and he's certainly a strongly uh independence leaning person
00:51:53.660
so with with the meeting coming up in edmonton next i think now that they've gotten one meeting
00:51:57.660
out of the way we'll get a better idea of how they want to direct and move this towards you know
00:52:02.060
they kind of get that first one done whether they were happy with how that went or not we'll see
00:52:06.460
with how they they manage the next one yeah we'll see if they tighten up the mic yes that's for sure
00:52:13.020
hey uh i know we're running out of time so i'm going to skip over the poly of clip because we sort
00:52:17.180
of reacted to it on the live stream yesterday but i want to talk uh to cory about this one this article
00:52:22.860
from the western standard um from jen over there uh can or sorry alberta at odds with quebec
00:52:31.660
in willingness to kill the dairy cartel and this is written by jen hodgson who does a great job over
00:52:37.660
at the western standard cory i know that you like me are vehemently against supply management um because
00:52:47.180
well i'm a farmer on the other side of it as a price taker not a price setter i don't get my prices
00:52:54.300
artificially inflated in fact a lot of times i deal with tariffs um but this is really something
00:53:00.300
that has been holding up trade negotiations with the united states and uh instead of just
00:53:06.780
figuring out a way to unwind this soviet style nonsense this is the thing that you know canadians
00:53:13.900
are facing tariffs because of yeah well and it's turned into a regional rift now because it has been
00:53:21.100
slowly but surely growing disproportionately within quebec where those quotas are assigned and western
00:53:27.420
agricultural producers who look at it we're in the breast bread basket in north america we could
00:53:32.300
have some incredible dairy operations out here if only we could expand the ability through those quotas
00:53:37.900
so the interests are quite different quebec has that interest in protecting this market that they've
00:53:42.540
sort of sucked in from the rest of the country through the supply management system over these years
00:53:47.420
and the west is realizing well we're losing out on a whole bunch of potential not to mention
00:53:51.260
now that it's causing a trade rift on everything uh and it's come up into the discussion so there's
00:53:58.700
going to be a difference of opinion but we know probably where the carny government's going to land
00:54:03.740
when they're taking a side on this and uh well it's just one more time where the west can can
00:54:08.700
scream and shout but our interests aren't going to come before quebec's right and ezra this is an
00:54:13.340
issue that we're not going to see any daylight between the liberals and the conservatives on we know
00:54:18.860
how influential the dairy cartel is with the conservative party of canada they can make and
00:54:24.300
break a leader yeah uh and we've seen that in in the conservative party's leadership in the past you
00:54:30.060
know i was just thinking um when you say no daylight between the liberals and the conservatives remember
00:54:35.340
the last election how the liberals and the media always insisted that the conservatives prove
00:54:42.540
they are as anti-trump as the liberals are and no amount of proof was enough and and the conservatives
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were outdoing themselves in fact they were even dabbling in some anti anti i was gonna say anti-semitic
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anti-american language yeah for sure they were they're going to be do the same thing on the alberta
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independence question because everyone on this panel is thinking about the west right now
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but what decides federal elections in which pierre polyev has a keen interest is ontario and to a
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degree quebec and so every time they ask pierre polyev or one of his backbench alberta or saskatchewan
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mps about independence they're doing so with the thought of an ad to run in ontario and quebec in mind
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and so you will see pierre polyev not only oppose independence but be called upon to oppose it more
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strenuously and more vigorously than anyone else so you it's going to be an interesting phenomenon
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when you have backbench conservative mps i know you asked me about the dairy cartel but it is sort of
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related is that alberta mps including conservative mps have a very western friendly point of view a lot
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of them have that genetics of the old reform party that was just those four western provinces the west
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wants in but they are going to be tested by the media and by the liberals and by the liberal media
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for purity tests every day will you will you denounce independence and will you applaud dairy cartels
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on command do it now i know i just asked you yesterday but do it again and if you don't do it
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again that's proof that you don't and like it it's going to be a very yeah i think the greatest weapons
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the liberals will feel against alberta independence will be alberta conservatives who are not permitted
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to speak candidly because it would contradict the federal mission of their party i'm brainstorming
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here just brainstorming yeah it'll be like wear the ribbon march in the parade you must you must
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where's your where's your ribbon where's your where's your ribbon uh you know what we've hit uh over
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halfway through the show so i know that cory has a job he's got to get back to i know ezra you do too
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uh thanks for joining us gentlemen thank you cory so much for giving us a little bit of your time
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today let us know cory how our viewers here at rebel news can find your work and also pick up a copy of
00:57:09.500
the sovereignty's handbook certainly uh western standard dot news uh all my stuff is up on there
00:57:15.340
and uh the sovereignty's handbook you can find it on amazon just with a quick search i really appreciate
00:57:20.700
the invite to come on and it's always a pleasure to talk to a great novel like this great thanks
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cory we'll have you back on again very soon thanks boss we'll talk soon let's hit an ad break and then
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hey welcome back your letters to me on mark carney's portfolio peter batista says imagine owning a sports
00:57:54.220
team and betting on a competitor's team isn't this an equivalent to where you invest in another country
00:57:59.180
and pretend to represent the previous shame shame shame and all the duplicitous liberal canadians
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you're so right i mean it sort of came up during the campaign why was he stashing his um brookfield
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stock in tax havens um which by the way the cra is suing him over in some accounting ways and he
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said well you know i'm just doing the best for my doing the best for my customers um yeah and that
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that's a good thing that's a good excuse if um if you weren't prime minister but now that you're
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prime minister you just don't feel any obligation to follow the law to pay your own taxes to invest in
00:58:38.620
your own country it i just get the feeling that this guy is still looking around he's like he's at
00:58:44.060
a party and he's looking around the room for something more in someone more interesting to talk to
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than you you know what it's like at a party when someone's sort of always looking for someone more
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interesting that's mark carney he was at the bank of canada oh that's more interesting i'm going to
00:58:57.100
the bank of england oh the u.n that's more interesting oh i think i can go to canada
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become prime minister oh let me see if i can trade up he's looking to trade up isn't he
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alessandro braki says the fact that he's taking a holiday says it all what a joke exactly i mean
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parliament has sat for i i didn't count but i'm guessing it's after 10 days
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this year but he needs a vacation doesn't he sure shot fire says what i think is really funny
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donald trump's only been in office for six months and the canadian people want to blame donald trump
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for a canadian economy that's been crashing for well over 10 years how funny is that the canadian
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people don't want to blame their own government they got to blame america there are so many problems
00:59:36.700
in canada and they have been hidden in part by mass immigration if you bring in two million people a
00:59:42.140
year just the momentum of that many people they need a house they need a cell phone they need
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you know basic stuff that's going to force the economy to grow but it's growing at a rate that
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actually on an individual basis it's shrinking on an individual basis on a per capita basis canada has
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been in a recession for years as this correspondent points out we are getting poorer on an individual
01:00:08.060
basis so to hide it they're bringing in millions of people and they are not bringing in
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doctors and lawyers and engineers they're bringing in people who work at tim hortons and work at 7-eleven
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entry-level jobs driving down wages and driving up housing prices it's the worst of all worlds
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that's our show for today until tomorrow on behalf of all of us here at rebel world
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headquarters to you at home good night and keep fighting for freedom