EZRA LEVANT ｜ Ukraine pulls off daring strike on Russian bombers—but what happens next？
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A staggering military feat. Ukraine launching long-range drone attacks, actually based from within Russia, destroying about a third of Russia s heavy bomber fleet. Just like Pearl Harbor, is it a tactical victory that'll cause Russia to do things that never contemplated, the same way Pearl Harbor pulled America into the war?
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Hello, my friends. Just a staggering military feat. Ukraine launching long-range drone attacks
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actually based from within Russia, destroying about a third, reports say, of Russia's heavy
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bomber fleet. Just incredible. But like Pearl Harbor, is it a tactical victory that'll cause
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Russia to do things that never contemplated, the same way Pearl Harbor pulled America into the war?
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Tonight, Ukraine makes a daring attack on Russia's strategic bombers. What happens next? It's June
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second, and this is the Ezra Levant Show. Shame on you, you sensorism bug.
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Hi, everybody. I'm recording this in the morning. I am off to Regina tonight for our Saskatchewan
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Town Hall on Western Independence. It'll be very interesting. We have about 500 people signed
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up, which is quite a few for a city the size of Regina. So we'll have a full report tonight and
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tomorrow. But I wanted to talk today about Russia and Ukraine. They're meeting today for peace talks
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in Turkey, which is a good thing. But I'm not sure how successful those meetings are going to be given
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the surprise attack that Ukraine launched on Russia over the weekend. I've seen it compared
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to Pearl Harbor, actually. Ukrainian drones launched from within Russia itself, attacking Russian air
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bases across the country, including as far away from the Ukrainian frontline as possible. Bases in the
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high Arctic, bases near Mongolia. These are literally thousands of miles away from Ukraine. Ukraine built
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a contraption that looked like part of a modular home. And they hired semi-truck drivers, Russians,
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to deliver these modular home components to various places in Russia. And then at a key moment,
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they told the unsuspecting truck drivers to pull over to the side of the road for a minute.
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And then the roofs of these fake modular homes opened up and swarms of attack drones flew out
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and were piloted into the nearby air bases and blew up a great number of Russia's strategic
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bombers. The bombers were out in the open. I'm going to talk a little bit more about that in a
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moment. You'll be surprised why they were out in the open. They're just sitting there on the runway.
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And you can see footage taken from the drones themselves as the drone operators casually flew
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right over the bombers, selecting them and then blowing them up. You can see the billowing black smoke from
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across air bases. It was devastating. Probably the single greatest loss of Russian equipment
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since the Second World War. There were Tupolev-22s and 95s. Those are sort of like America's B-1s and
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B-52s. So they're not the ultra-modern versions, but they've been updated over the years. They're the
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backbone of Russia's strategic bomber command. That is, they can carry large bombs and large missiles,
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including cruise missiles, including nuclear missiles. They've used the cruise missiles a lot
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during the Ukraine war, but their permanent purpose is as a strategic nuclear deterrent.
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Like the West, Russia has nukes at sea in submarines, on land, in silos and large launcher trucks,
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and in the air on bombers like these. You have to take Ukraine's victory lap announcement with a grain
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assault. But they claim they destroyed a third of Russia's long-range bomber fleet in a single day,
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billions of dollars worth. And it's not just the money. I don't even know if they're still making
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those bombers in Russia. And if they are, that's likely years away. It's an astonishing military
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feat. I mentioned the Pearl Harbor comparison, which I've seen a lot. I think it's pretty apt.
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I've also seen it compared to the Israeli spycraft that supplied the Hezbollah terrorist group with
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pagers and then detonated those pagers, wiping out much of the leadership of Hezbollah. By the way,
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Russia claims that Ukraine tried to shoot down Vladimir Putin's personal helicopter with a drone swarm.
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From the 20th to 22nd of May, the enemy took the attempt to make a mass attack with the use of
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беспилотные летательные аппараты самолетного типа по территории Российской Федерации.
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For this period of time, the enemy was destroyed by 1177 беспилотные летательные аппараты противника.
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And during this attack in Kursk's region worked President of Russia?
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Absolutely right. In the period of time, when the President worked in Kursk's region,
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the enemy began an attack with the беспилотные летательные аппараты.
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With the group of PVO in this region, there were destroyed 46 беспилотных
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And the intensity of the attack during the flight of the VHK on the territory of Kursk's region
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Therefore, we at the same time held an air battle and provided the safety of the air
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The attack of the enemy was triggered by the enemy, and all the air targets were destroyed.
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So, the VHK President of Russia was practically in the zone of the war.
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In the epicenter of the attack, there was a mass attack of the enemy
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Now, it's hard to know what to believe in the fog of war.
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Propaganda and information are weapons, too, of course.
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But the visual images coming from different Russian regions was striking.
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I've also seen mixed reports as to whether the U.S. was briefed on this mission.
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I find it hard to believe that Trump would support such an escalation on the eve of peace talks in Turkey,
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given how badly he seems to want those talks to succeed.
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Remember, he once said he could end this war in 24 hours.
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But on the other hand, maybe Russia did not seem motivated enough to negotiate.
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And so, this sharp, swift attack may have adjusted their thinking about the risks of a continued war.
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Maybe Trump's the guy who instructed it to proceed.
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I mean, Ukraine has had some daring missions like this over the course of the war.
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They've sunk most of Russia's Black Sea fleet, including the enormous flagship Moskva, Moscow.
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Ukraine doesn't have a comparable navy, of course.
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The Ukrainian navy was effectively seized by Russia when it captured the port of Sevastopol.
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But Ukraine has become a leading practitioner in asymmetrical warfare.
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They didn't need a big battle cruise missile to take out the Moskva or other big ships.
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They just, they didn't need, they didn't need a big ship.
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They just used missiles or more and more they used sea drones.
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It also reminds me of the Ukrainian attack on the essential Kirch Bridge from Russia into Crimea.
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I'm quite sure that even Trump and his Secretary of Defense and Secretary of State were unaware of
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the latest attack that other parts of the US, if that's the case, that other parts of the US
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So I actually think Trump probably gave it the green light to get the Russians more motivated.
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But even if he didn't know, there's no way other parts of the US military didn't know.
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The New York Times itself brags that the CIA has been directing the war from Kiev,
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Of course, it's US money, US weapons, US training, US advisers.
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And hawkish US senators of both parties, by the way, are eager to take credit for it and to explain
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their rationale degrading the Russian military without provoking retaliation against the US itself.
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By degrading the Russian military, we actually keep our homeland safer,
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we keep our troops at home, and we all understand Article 5 of NATO.
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I thought you said something about waiting until you return to talk.
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So at the end of the day, I'm going to finish my...
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So at the end of the day, when you think about the fact that if you want to keep
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American troops at home, the attack on NATO territory would bring us and our troops in.
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By degrading the Russian military, we reduce, if not eliminate, an attack on NATO territory.
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Here's Republican Mitt Romney saying the same thing.
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Russia attempted to attack Kyiv, the capital of a sovereign nation, has brutalized the people of
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Ukraine, has kidnapped children, and continues to rain horror upon the people of Ukraine.
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I would note that our interest in Ukraine is not as if we're caring only for those people.
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Our interest in Ukraine, in my view, is it's in America's interest.
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It's interest in the people of the United States of America,
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that Ukraine is successful in defending itself, because the well-being, the livelihood,
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the life, the freedom, and the prosperity of Americans are also at stake.
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And that's the reason that we're involved there.
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And no one loves this war more than Lindsey Graham.
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Now, I don't know if Trump wanted this attack on Russia, but I think it's pretty clear the
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For the entire Cold War, Western spies and generals have only dreamed of decimating Russia's
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strategic bomber stock in a fell swoop without losing a single man.
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And more than that, striking fear into the entire Russian military industrial complex.
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At the moment I'm recording this, there hasn't been an official response from Vladimir Putin yet.
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Russia downplayed the seriousness of the attacks, saying they were limited in effectiveness,
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and that they shot down most of the drones, and they called it a terrorist attack.
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But I think it's pretty clear that a large number of hard or impossible to replace heavy
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I can't believe they struck as far away as they did attacking Murmansk.
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It's the largest city that's north of the Arctic Circle.
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You know, it's 500 kilometers further north than Iqaluit, half a million people.
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It's very high in the Arctic, and the drones got there.
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Now, I don't know if the deep state wants this war to continue forever.
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Vladimir Zelensky has repeatedly said that he does indeed want peace, but then he often
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follows that up immediately with demands that seem like non-starters, like the idea that Russia
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would withdraw from all of Ukraine, including from Crimea, which had annexed a decade ago.
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If you watched the entire 20-minute Zelensky meeting with Trump a few months ago,
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it did seem like he wanted to scupper the deal that he was supposed to sign that day at the White House.
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The attack yesterday was spectacular and daring and leading edge, and it'll stop Russia from using
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heavy bombers to launch missiles at Ukraine from within Russian territory, which was their advantage.
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They would take off, fire the missiles, and land all without ever going into Russian,
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Ukrainian airspace, risking being hit with anti-aircraft defenses.
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So that will obviously be degraded now, but look, Russia on the ground is still grinding away
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World War I style, World War II style, just trench bad fools with sheer manpower and artillery,
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almost like, you know, almost like ancient times. I mean, yeah, there's drones there, but it's just
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blood and men. They pretty much expelled the Ukrainian forces that had invaded the Russian
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province of Kursk. And in the last few weeks, they've seized another hundred square miles of Ukraine.
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The war grinds on. Trump is right when he says this is a bloodbath
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that neither side should want. Here's Trump a few weeks ago.
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I have a message for both parties. Get this war ended. We're losing 5,000 soldiers a week,
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Russian and Ukrainian soldiers and other people also, by the way. And I say, get this stupid war
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finished. That's my message for both of them. I think he's getting exasperated. Maybe he did
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greenlight this attack. But here's the thing. Here's why this attack on the bombers is different,
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in my amateur opinion. Look, killing 5,000 soldiers is a disaster. It's 5,000 disasters.
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And it's happening every week. And over the years, that adds up to hundreds of thousands of dead
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and wounded men on both sides. I don't know if there were any casualties in these drone attacks
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on the bombers. Although I saw a video of a Russian walking into one of these disguised drone launchers,
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and it seemed to detonate like a booby trap. But if you said five people had died,
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I'd believe it as compared to 5,000. But it greatly degraded Russia's strategic ability,
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which is why it's so widely cheered by Ukraine and especially NATO allies. But back to Pearl Harbor
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and the Israel pager attack on Hezbollah. The Israeli pagers took out, I don't know,
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about 3,000 or so Hezbollah senior leaders. And then shortly afterwards, they fired a missile that
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killed the senior leader of Hezbollah. So these attacks on Hezbollah didn't actually degrade
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Hezbollah's equipment. That came in other raids. But it totally decapitated the organization.
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Like the top 3,000 guys in the terrorist army, it would be like blowing up every Russian soldier
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above a certain rank, including Putin. This attack on the bombers did the opposite.
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It destroyed valuable and powerful equipment, but left the regime in charge.
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That's one difference, obviously. The Pearl Harbor analogy is a better fit. A sneak attack,
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far away from the home country, destroying priceless military assets, a shock and awe attack.
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That's what happened here. But remember what Admiral Yamamoto of Japan reportedly said after Pearl Harbor.
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He said, I fear all we have done is to waken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve.
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And that's true. They killed thousands of Americans that day, December 7th, 1941. And they sunk a number
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of capital ships. Most were repaired, though. The aircraft carriers were at sea and weren't touched.
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But mainly, what did Pearl Harbor do in the sweep of history? It spurred America into joining the war.
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It was the day of infamy, as Roosevelt called it. America declared war in Japan. Right afterwards,
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Germany and Italy declared war in America. America declared war. And then the rest is history.
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Pearl Harbor was a tactical success. But I think it was an enormous strategic blunder, don't you think?
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I'm not sure if Russia will be like what Yamamoto said. I think Putin is already filled with a terrible
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resolve. I think Russia's economy is already mobilized, as are their men. Russia was the
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country that invaded Ukraine in the first place. It didn't need to be coaxed into this war. It started
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the war. And here's what worries me. And it's what Professor John Mearsheimer has warned about
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repeatedly. If Russia faces an existential crisis, if its military is wiped out, if it is driven out
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of Crimea, it has a nuclear doctrine that allows for a first strike. That's their standing orders.
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Can I show you a debate from three years ago between Mearsheimer and Evelyn Farkas of the McCain
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Institute in Arizona? So you know she's hawkish. Listen to Mearsheimer describe his fear about what
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Putin might do if he's backed into a corner. And that what John F. Kennedy did during the Cuban
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missile crisis was try to find a way to cool things off. Now, in response, Farkas says the opposite.
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She wants to ramp things up. She says America could actually join the war directly, though she doesn't
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go so far as to call for U.S. troops on the ground. She says that if Russia uses a nuke in Ukraine,
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the U.S. and NATO should respond with nukes, even though Ukraine isn't in NATO and doesn't have a
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defense treaty like a NATO ally. I've watched this video twice, and I find Farkas terrifying,
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the way she casually talks about using nukes to protect the world order. Here, watch it. It's,
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I'm going to show you a four and a half minute clip. I hope you don't mind, but I just couldn't stop
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listening to this. This was three years ago. I think we're very close to this. Take a look.
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We know that the one circumstance in which a great power is likely to use nuclear weapons
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is when its survival is threatened, when it thinks a decisive defeat is being inflicted on it. And what
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the Biden administration is bent on doing is inflicting a decisive defeat on Russia. We are
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threatening its survival. We are presenting the Russians with an existential threat. And this,
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again, is the one circumstance where they might use nuclear weapons. And I think we should be going
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to enormous lengths to make sure that we don't put them into a position where they even countenance
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JUDY WOODRUFF, Evelyn Farkas, is that the risk here that the U.S. confronts by changing the goal?
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policy does allow for the use of nuclear weapons first against an adversary if it feels that the
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existence of the state is in question, that it's in jeopardy. And I think that leaves a lot of room for
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subjective interpretation. And, of course, that will be Vladimir Putin's interpretation.
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But I think what we cannot forget right now is that we are also a nuclear power. We have deterrence
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in place. Vladimir Putin does not want a nuclear war with the United States or NATO. And for that
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matter, he doesn't want a conventional war with us either, because he can barely win the one he's
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waging right now in Ukraine. So I don't think we should be deterred by this fear that he's going to
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reach for nuclear weapons. We cannot rule it out. I'm not dismissing it. But I also think that the
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objective that we have right now, the stakes are so high, it's nothing less. It's not just about
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Ukraine. It's about the international order. And we're fighting here to stop Vladimir Putin
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from turning after Ukraine to Georgia and Moldova, to destroying NATO, to essentially reasserting a
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sphere of influence system, which is what we put to bed after the end of World War II,
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when we set up the United Nations and the rules-based order.
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JUDY WOODRUFF, John Mearsheimer, I hear you saying you fear that Russia cannot be deterred,
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that it may there may be a decision made by Vladimir Putin to use weapons of mass destruction,
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including nuclear weapons, and that what, that the U.S. is moving inexorably in that direction?
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JOHN MEARSHEIMER, U.S. Secretary of State, U.S. Secretary of State,
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I think it's very important to understand that, if he were to use nuclear weapons,
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he would use them in all likelihood in Western Ukraine.
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And there are no NATO or American forces in Western Ukraine.
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So he would not be attacking us. He would be using those weapons in Ukraine.
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And the question is, what do we do then? And I'm not sure what we would do then.
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Would we use nuclear weapons? Would we then get dragged into the war?
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You know, when Professor Farkas talks about the consequences of this for the world order,
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I'm more worried about the consequences if we end up getting hit with nuclear weapons.
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I mean, we want to remember what President Kennedy did during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
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He was in a similar situation. What he did was he tried to dampen the conflict. He tried to work
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out some sort of deal with Khrushchev so we could both avoid getting vaporized. What the Biden
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administration is doing is exactly the opposite. It's upping the ante. It's putting Putin in a position
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where he might very well use nuclear weapons. Again, I think this is remarkably foolish.
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Evelyn Farkas, what do you see happening? If Vladimir Putin were to resort to
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tactical nuclear weapons, what do you see the U.S. response?
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Again, I think he's most likely to use them, Judy, if he feels that there will be no consequences for
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him. If he thinks that we will not counter with a nuclear use, I know it's a horrible thing to
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contemplate, but that is how deterrence works. Or if he thinks that we will not enter the war
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directly. And actually, I think that I'm not sure whether our government would actually use nuclear force
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in response, though we have to say that because that's part of deterrence. But what I do think
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is that if there is a nuclear use, if the nuclear taboo comes off, if nuclear weapons are used for the
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first time since World War II, and Vladimir Putin may well do that if he thinks we won't respond,
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I think President Biden will then enter the war directly. That doesn't mean troops on the ground,
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but it means that Russia will lose. So I think that Vladimir Putin is likely smart enough to
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understand the danger for himself. He's not going to reach for a nuclear weapon right now. He is already
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proceeding, I think, a little bit more cautiously from what we can see. Of course, it remains to be
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seen how this all ends. But he's not interested in taking on the United States and NATO.
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I think Vladimir Putin is actually quite calm. I've seen him make public statements repeatedly
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about the need not to react from emotion or fear. I think he's more rational than some of his critics
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accuse him of being. He's not crazy. He didn't strike the West after it assisted in blowing up
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the Moskva or the Kerch Bridge or the Nord Stream gas pipeline. He wasn't provoked. I don't actually think
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he'll do anything crazy here like use a nuke. I just don't think he would.
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But there could come a point where he would if he genuinely felt Russia was on the verge of some
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sort of a military collapse, a collapse of its nuclear deterrent, which is the stated goal of
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some U.S. leaders. I mean, here's what scares me. If you remove Russia's strategic bombers, you have
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removed one of the three legs of the nuclear triad. That's sort of called war talk. You got nukes based
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on land, based at sea and based in the air. The whole reason is so that you have a second strike
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ability. If the other side launches a war against you, you can still have some surviving nukes to shoot
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back. And with that balance of power, you've got the mutually assured destruction. It's the very fact
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that it was a balance that kept the world safe for decades. If it was an imbalance, one side might
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have been provoked to act. The whole reason we didn't go to war with Russia was because of a balance.
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Well, if you if you can wipe out a third of Russia's bombers in a day and maybe go back for more.
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All of a sudden, what have you done? It's not so much that you've helped things on the ground in
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Ukraine. Sure, it's helped. But it's that you've eroded Russia's strategic security.
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Will they wait for a second drone attack? Will they wait for a third one? Will they allow
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the nuclear deterrent to be removed? And I don't know about Joe Biden. And you could hear in that
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debate that we're talking about Joe Biden. But I'm pretty sure that Trump will not authorize nuking
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Putin as any sort of response. But one last point. Why were those Russian bombers just
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out in the open like that? I mean, so vulnerable. Why weren't they at least in some sort of bunker
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or shelter that there wasn't even a fence around, not even a tarp over them? Even though they were
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in far flung regions, why were they so visible? Well, the answer that might surprise you. It's because
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America negotiated that with Russia. In an arms reduction treaty signed by Barack Obama,
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the US and Russia agreed to park their nuclear bombers out in the open so that the other side
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could count them and track them using spy satellites. It was part of the deal. There's
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other rights like to be able to inspect things, I think, up to 18 times a year or something. I skimmed
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the treaty today. I didn't know that's why the bombers are parked outside. It's also why US bombers are
00:26:03.940
parked outside. There's so many aerial pictures of runways with B-52s and B-1s and the modern B-2
00:26:11.540
stealth bomber. And if you were ever thinking, why did they just park out in the open the American
00:26:16.740
side? It's because it's part of the treaty. That's why there's so many photos. It's fun to look at the
00:26:23.060
photos of bombers. It's sort of the I'll show you if you show me part of the treaty. In other words,
00:26:30.820
Ukraine and their CIA military advisors specifically used the arms treaty as a way
00:26:40.420
to destroy Russian bombers. They were out in the open because America asked Russia to keep them in
00:26:47.140
the open and vice versa. And the CIA backed Ukrainian military used that to get at the bombers. Do you
00:26:55.060
think Russia is going to stay in that treaty? Now, maybe you're excited by all this. Maybe to you,
00:27:01.060
the only good Russian is a dead Russian. Maybe you've wanted to degrade Russia's military for decades
00:27:05.860
and you find this miraculous. And I get it. Putin is a former KGB agent, probably a murderer,
00:27:11.460
certainly an authoritarian ruler. And he did invade Ukraine. That is all true. Put aside his
00:27:17.940
justification for the invasion. Put aside right and wrong, even. But just ask yourself pragmatically,
00:27:26.660
if Russia did indeed face political and military annihilation, if it risked losing its nuclear deterrent
00:27:35.140
and felt like it was existentially threatened, because Zelensky and some in NATO and the EU want that,
00:27:41.460
if Russia was suddenly so very weak and backed into a corner, I'm not talking about Ukraine on the
00:27:49.940
ground in the trenches. I'm talking about you're wiping out the nuclear deterrent all across the
00:27:55.060
Russian Federation. What's the likelihood then that Russia would use a tactical nuke against Ukraine?
00:28:03.860
And what would America do in response? You know, when Hezbo was blown up, there were some minor
00:28:10.340
consequences, but they're done. They're over. They're not just wounded and about to get back up.
00:28:15.460
They are vaporized and they've been driven out of Syria, too. That did not happen to Russia.
00:28:22.500
The equipment's gone, but the people are there. The Russian military, the Red Army, they're wounded and
00:28:28.340
angry. Yes, it was a brilliant tactical move, just like Pearl Harbor was. But anyone who thinks the world is
00:28:35.220
safer today doesn't understand, I think, that authoritarian regimes put their survival above
00:28:41.540
all else. And if they're faced with a nuclear choice to use it or lose it, they might just use it.
00:29:04.260
Casa Loma, located in Midtown Toronto, is a top tourist attraction. Sometimes it is also
00:29:12.020
a venue for fundraisers. Sometimes people get married there. It's usually a very beautiful
00:29:19.300
and tranquil place in Hogtown, but not last Tuesday. That's because Casa Loma was a venue that attracted
00:29:28.740
the pro-Hamas crowd. And suddenly the grounds of Casa Loma, shockers, well, they were filled with chants
00:29:37.940
of Jew hatred. As for the police, well, operation normal, which is to say they did absolutely nothing.
00:29:46.660
With more on this most recent disgrace is Sue Ann Levy. She writes for Juno News, and I'm so happy
00:29:56.180
to have her here today. Sue Ann, thank you so much for joining me. And tell me, bring me back to last
00:30:01.460
Tuesday. What was it that attracted the rank and file members of that group I call the Hamasols?
00:30:10.660
Well, I think, you know, I think they probably knew. First of all, it said it was in a residential
00:30:17.620
neighborhood. And I think they probably knew that security or sensed that security would not be
00:30:23.940
tight. And they also, I mean, it was a fundraiser and it was expensive to attend. So why not go after
00:30:32.020
Jews who have a few bucks and harass them? Mostly elderly, by the way. Mostly elderly. Denise and I
00:30:41.540
were among the youngest there. And Sue Ann, what was the castle hosting that night that drew the Jew
00:30:51.140
haters to it in the first place? Well, it was ironically the Abraham Global Peace Initiative,
00:30:57.220
which has been started as an adjunct to the Simon Wiesenthal Centre and fights, get it, get this,
00:31:05.620
anti-Semitism. So yeah, and here we had it playing out right in front of us as we tried to enter the
00:31:13.700
facility. And Sue Ann, I mean, anti-Semitism, it is a thing. We've seen that in the streets of Toronto
00:31:22.100
and in other Western cities for the last 19 months. I know in Toronto, the Jewish population
00:31:29.380
is less than 4% of the overall population. But in terms of hate crimes, anti-Jew hatred
00:31:37.620
is more than 40%. What's going on here? I think part of the problem is the lack of leadership
00:31:48.180
by our politicians, A, and almost zero law enforcement when it comes to those breaking
00:31:56.740
the criminal code, such as chanting genocide, which is what these people do every weekend,
00:32:02.660
which is contrary to Section 319. Why is this being tolerated, Sue Ann?
00:32:08.980
Well, it stems from the top, Dave. You and I both know it. We have a mayor who,
00:32:14.260
I always knew she'd be a train wreck as a mayor. I've known her for 25 years, Olivia Chow.
00:32:18.980
But I think that she's anti-Semitic. I mean, I think that she goes out of her way
00:32:25.140
to avoid Jewish events. She's slow to respond when things do happen. And she's been seen almost
00:32:32.580
weekly wearing her, wearing her headscarf. I call them Shmatas. Some people take an exception to that.
00:32:39.780
She's wearing a headscarf and cosplaying, attending various Muslim events. And, you know, I think that
00:32:50.740
she and many of the, I call them the Hamas caucus at City Hall, have given a message, a clear message,
00:32:59.460
to the police to keep their hands off. And we also have a very, very weak police chief,
00:33:05.140
you know, a guy who blocked me on Twitter because he didn't like being called weak,
00:33:10.100
Myron Demkiew. So it stems from the top. But I also think social media, I think that they have
00:33:17.540
been enabled by social media, by our weak politicians. And there are no consequences for their behavior.
00:33:25.940
You know, I think you're right. And I think Chief Myron Demkiew, Sue Ann, I think he's the worst
00:33:32.820
police chief in Toronto history. And given that Bill Blair used to be a police chief,
00:33:39.380
that's saying something. And by the way, let's just sort of a brief clip from last Sunday.
00:33:43.860
I bumped into you at the walk with Israel. But before the walk kicked off, I had the pleasure,
00:33:49.780
such as it was to confront Chief Demkiew. And wow, I was surprised, Sue Ann, I think he carries
00:33:59.460
around a taser and a gun. But he ran away from me like a scared little pussycat. Check this out.
00:34:06.740
Hey, good morning, Chief Demkiew. Chief, can you tell me why peaceful counter demonstrators and
00:34:12.020
independent media have been arrested by your members these last 19 months? Excuse me,
00:34:18.180
Chief Demkiew, can you why are you tolerating anti semitism in our streets? Chief Demkiew,
00:34:25.380
why are you a coward? Why do you prevent us from going to press conferences that you put on?
00:34:31.380
You are a coward. What a coward. Yeah, so the point is, he wouldn't comment on the double standard. He
00:34:40.820
wouldn't say anything about why lawlessness is running wild. But to your original point,
00:34:46.900
I think you're correct. I think the politicians have done the math, the electoral math. They realize
00:34:53.940
that there are five times as many Muslims as Jews in Canada. And hey, it's just business, baby. And by
00:35:01.220
the way, I'm not saying all Muslims subscribe to this garbage. They don't. But I think this is the
00:35:08.180
mindset driving politicians like Olivia Chow, who are likely tell telling the likes of Chief Demkiew,
00:35:16.260
hands off when it comes to the pro Hamas set. Yeah. And then don't forget her deputy mayor,
00:35:22.420
Osama Malik is I exposed her in 2014. So that's like 11 years ago that she had marched in a anti Israel
00:35:31.140
protest, um, celebrating Hezbollah. So, uh, and, and she, she's a wicked person. I, you know,
00:35:40.100
and I think, uh, Olivia, she's whispering in Olivia's ear, uh, about, uh, the hands off attitude kind of
00:35:48.020
thing. But, you know, this is like an accident waiting to happen. Um, Dave, look what happened in
00:35:54.100
Boulder, Colorado. Yes. Uh, and the poor core, one, a Holocaust survivor, the poor Jews, innocent Jews
00:36:02.020
being burned by an illegal, an illegal immigrant who was in and had overstayed his welcome. And,
00:36:09.460
you know, social media is so toxic now that, you know, that who's to say we wouldn't have a copycat
00:36:17.540
doing the exact same thing here in, in Toronto or Montreal. And we, and the Jewish community
00:36:24.420
do not feel protected whatsoever. You know, you're so right, uh, Sue Ann, that Boulder,
00:36:30.180
Colorado story is so disturbing. Here's an illegal immigrant from Egypt, uh, chanting free,
00:36:36.340
free Palestine as he tries to incinerate Jews and the Boulder, Colorado police chief going out of his
00:36:43.300
way. Let's not jump to terrorism right now. I mean, given the, um, facts, uh, of the matter,
00:36:50.500
Sue Ann, I would argue that it looks very terrestry. Um, if that's a word and it probably isn't.
00:36:56.820
FBI is already calling it a targeted terror attack. Would you also refer to it as a terror attack?
00:37:02.420
So I've been in contact with our local FBI multiple times. We are in contact with them here.
00:37:07.460
We are not calling it a terror attack at this point. Again, it's way too early to speculate motive.
00:37:11.860
Um, you know, I, I know there's a lot out there in social media, but I asked people just to give us
00:37:15.220
a little bit of patience while we work through a really complex scene. Um, a lot of witnesses
00:37:20.420
were here. We've taken them to another location to debrief them and interview them. As we do that,
00:37:25.140
I think the picture will become more clear. Um, but it would be, it would be irresponsible for me to,
00:37:30.100
to speculate on motive this early on. We're only a couple hours into this thing. Going back to the walk
00:37:34.980
with Israel where I met you face to face. Um, you know, there was a point where I discovered,
00:37:42.500
and let's, we can show the visual here, an individual with the pro Hamas people
00:37:49.060
toting around a hand grenade. I personally think it's a replica hand grenade, but who knows?
00:37:55.140
I said to the police officers, um, officers, aren't you going to inspect that hand grenade? And they
00:38:02.740
ignored me completely, Sue Ann. And this guy was within throwing distance of thousands of marchers,
00:38:10.180
uh, for the state of Israel. Why the hell did they take such a hands-off approach? I can tell you,
00:38:17.780
if you went to the airport, uh, with such a thing, you'd probably be tackled by security. I don't get it, Sue Ann.
00:38:41.460
Officer, do we know if that's a real grenade or a toy grenade?
00:38:52.340
Well, this is amazing, folks. Um, this man is holding what appears to be a grenade. I don't know if it's
00:38:59.780
real or fake. And the police aren't interested. And it's funny, just eight days ago, Avery Armstrong and
00:39:07.780
I, my camerawoman, we were at, uh, the corner of Lawrence and Midland, and we saw somebody,
00:39:15.300
with a handgun in his waistband. Well, what did we do? We called 911, and the police responded.
00:39:22.660
They got on it right away, as well they should. Now, if a handgun or a replica handgun, whatever it
00:39:30.180
was, I don't think they caught the guy yet. If that's unacceptable, why is there a grenade in full
00:39:36.900
view of these, uh, officers? Like this is shocking. Well, it's funny because I think
00:39:45.460
Denise and I, Denise being my wife, uh, we spoke to some of the cops, the bike cops,
00:39:50.660
after the event last Tuesday night, the unfortunate event. And I think many of them are fed up.
00:39:56.100
They've clearly been given their marching orders to stand there. And they did stand there as, as
00:40:01.460
Denise and I were, I was called out by name as I tried to enter Casa Loma. People screaming and
00:40:07.300
taunting, calling us baby killers and human, um, you know, death to the Jews kind of thing.
00:40:13.620
And it was very unsettling. Um, but I think these guys have been given their marching orders.
00:40:20.260
And you know, it's going to happen, Dave. I hope it doesn't, but something terrible is going to
00:40:25.460
happen. And then they'll all be wringing their hands, clutching their pearls saying, oh my God,
00:40:31.620
it like it happened at Boulder. The mayor ignored the Jewish community. Um, I was reading last night,
00:40:38.180
um, their constant, uh, concerns, uh, about antisemitism, rising antisemitism. Does it sound very
00:40:45.300
familiar? Uh, that's happening in Toronto with much bigger city. Um, and, uh, I, I just am really
00:40:52.820
concerned. You know, I was thinking about it last night. Should we start, uh, carrying some protective,
00:40:59.220
some mace with us? Do I have to do that? Do I have to, uh, carry something to protect myself now?
00:41:07.140
Of course, if I stuck a knife or I brandished a knife, I'd end up arrested so quickly. You know,
00:41:14.180
it's unbelievable the double standard here in the city. Oh, so Ann, you don't have to convince me.
00:41:19.140
I was arrested five times last year, simply for, for practicing journalism in the public square,
00:41:25.940
but there's almost a map mindset. And I don't know if it's the brass ordering the rank and file
00:41:31.860
to adhere to this, that if there are peaceful counter demonstrators, if there are members of
00:41:37.940
the independent press who might be asking impolite questions, toss them in the paddy wagon because
00:41:45.140
they might further incite the mob, you know, it reminds me of the dark old days of, uh, when a
00:41:51.860
woman was sexually assaulted and on the stand, she'd be asked how much leg were you showing that day?
00:41:57.780
How much cleavage were you showing that day? This isn't, I mean, this is unbelievable, Sue Ann.
00:42:03.460
If these people who are already hotheads get further enraged, that's their problem, not those, uh,
00:42:11.220
who I would say are on the right side of history. Well, it's all goes back, Dave, to them not
00:42:17.220
enforcing consequences. There's a wonderful lawyer, Mark Sandler, um, who started this organization.
00:42:24.180
And he's, and he's, I heard him speak last year and he issues a newsletter. I urge your listeners to
00:42:31.060
check it out. He's talked about all the ways that the, um, police can arrest these, uh, Hamasniks,
00:42:39.860
um, and, and use the, the laws that are in place. There are laws, uh, about blocking the roadway,
00:42:48.100
causing a disturbance, uh, masking. So many of them mask. Nobody is, uh, enforcing that law. Um,
00:42:56.420
and if there were some consequences, so they scream a little bit. So the Muslim organizations,
00:43:02.740
you know, cry Islamophobia. I don't give a crap at this point. I really don't.
00:43:09.060
There has to be some consequences for their behavior.
00:43:11.860
A hundred percent. And I got to tell you, uh, Sue Ann, law enforcement and the politicians in this
00:43:19.060
city are now lying. Um, the law enforcement last month lied about, um, an ambulance being blocked,
00:43:26.820
uh, by these pro Hamas people. They lied about the timeline. They said that the light bar on the
00:43:32.100
ambulance wasn't on. We, we have video evidence that shows it was indeed on. And the city, when it
00:43:39.380
comes to, um, the latest infringement, which is groups of these people, um, blocking, uh, important
00:43:49.460
thoroughfares to pray, they say they have a constitutional right to pray.
00:43:55.300
They do not have a right. I get so incensed when I hear this, they're obstructing the roadway,
00:44:02.340
you know, and if they just bring out the water canyons, I'm not Islamophobic in the slightest,
00:44:08.340
but bring out the water cannons. They've gotten away with enough. They're doing it in, in some
00:44:13.380
European countries, but all you have to do is look at what happened Paris the other night.
00:44:17.540
Yeah. They have been allowed to run unchecked. Paris was burning. It's so sad to see what happens.
00:44:24.900
These are not peaceful people. These are not peaceful protesters. They want to make a mess of our
00:44:31.940
society. And I, like you said, it's not all Muslims, but I often wonder where the peaceful Muslims are.
00:44:39.540
Why are they not speaking up? I agree. I would like to see that more. And by the way,
00:44:45.620
to finish my points went, yes, you do have a constitutional right to pray, but you do not
00:44:50.580
have a constitutional right to block a street to pray. And often there is a mosque within walking
00:44:57.860
distance. So this is, I think this is a demonstration of Islamist exceptionalism.
00:45:04.100
This is a middle finger, uh, to the West and because they get away with everything.
00:45:10.660
Well, of course they're going to further push the envelope. Don't you think?
00:45:15.220
Yeah. It's like a spoiled child, a spoiled child. He throws a temper tantrum
00:45:19.380
and mommy says, Oh, you're okay. Go to a timeout room. But five minutes later,
00:45:24.100
she comes with an ice cream or a little toy, you know, and it's the same thing. There are no
00:45:30.100
consequences. And these people have pushed the envelope and pushed the envelope. And I really,
00:45:35.780
really do. And I'm not trying to sound alarmist, but I really do fear that someone's going to get hurt.
00:45:40.980
Well, you know, what you said isn't conjecture in terms of bringing treats. We've seen the Toronto
00:45:47.140
police bring these cats, uh, coffee and Timbits on cold days. I guess you, uh, can get a little chilly,
00:45:53.700
chanting genocide in the middle of January. But you know, Sue Ann, we should leave it with this.
00:45:58.420
Cause you did mention, uh, your lovely wife, Denise, and, uh, you are openly lesbian. And
00:46:05.540
this is the beginning of, uh, is it pride month or pride season? I'm losing track.
00:46:10.260
You know what? It went from pride. We pride day to pride weekend to pride month,
00:46:15.300
pride season. And I don't know when that season ends. I have no idea.
00:46:19.380
This is what I'm leading up to Sue Ann. I see groups that identify with their signage.
00:46:26.820
They're called, for example, queers for Palestine. And, you know, it's kind of like
00:46:33.700
chickens for Colonel Saunders in my book. We know full well that if you were openly queer
00:46:40.020
in Gaza, uh, well, you'd only have to buy a one way, uh, plane ticket. That's right. You're,
00:46:46.340
you're making the throat slash, but I believe the preferred method is to be tossed from a rooftop.
00:46:52.100
Sue Ann, please, especially given your sexual orientation, please educate me how people
00:46:59.140
with that kind of sexual orientation or gender identification identify with people who want them
00:47:06.980
dead. Oh, I think they're crazy in the head, frankly, most of them. And I also think that they've
00:47:14.340
ascribed to this, uh, DEI oppressor oppressed mentality where, uh, we're, we're the oppressors
00:47:22.900
being Jews and, and they, they feel that, uh, the Muslims or the Palestinians are oppressed,
00:47:30.180
but they hate us. There was a, there was a, uh, a clip of a man who was gay confronting a Muslim
00:47:38.100
woman right here in Toronto. And she said, go away. We hate you. We hate you. And he's got like the,
00:47:43.540
the rainbow flag hanging over. And I'm thinking, buddy, wake up, wake up to what's going on. They
00:47:50.340
don't, you know, they really dislike you, but you know, it's also called suicide empathy. If you heard
00:47:57.620
that term, um, they just feel sorry for these people and they want to be part of something.
00:48:04.900
They also want to like most of these people who are at Casa Luma, I would venture to say are
00:48:10.500
disenfranchised dregs of society. You know, I saw them in their masks and they looked like they
00:48:18.100
needed a shower. They badly needed a shower and you know, and a lot of them were queers for Palestine.
00:48:26.420
Unbelievable. Well, you know, uh, I'm very grateful that, uh, neither you or your wife
00:48:31.700
experienced physical harm. We know that, um, Kareem Assad's, uh, videographer, Lee,
00:48:37.540
he actually had his pants pulled down, which to me is borderline sexual assault. I mean,
00:48:43.140
we can laugh about it, but I would hate to have that happen to me.
00:48:50.660
I have a girl on video who pulled my pants down.
00:48:52.980
All right, Swann, it's been tolerated for 19 months going on 20 months.
00:48:58.820
Where does it go from here? Does it take an actual, God forbid, serious injury or even
00:49:06.580
death of a Jew or, or even that isn't enough to move the needle? Last word goes to you, my friend.
00:49:13.540
I think it does, but I think what it takes is we Jews and the Jewish community speaking out,
00:49:20.900
marching, protesting. Um, I've determined that this summer I am going to go to whatever meeting I can
00:49:28.660
and speak up and look at these politicians in the face, look at the police board in the face
00:49:33.540
and say, you know, you have let our community down. How dare you? My wife thinks they should be sued.
00:49:39.700
There should be a class action suit and that some lawyer should come forward and sue Olivia Chow,
00:49:45.860
sue the police, sue the police services board for allowing this to happen.
00:49:50.260
You know, I never thought about that. Sue Ann, what an incredible concept. And really,
00:49:54.340
I think you have basis for, I don't know, dereliction of duty, uh, because this dog don't hunt,
00:50:00.900
as they say in Alabama. Well, Sue Ann, uh, you stay safe out there. Uh, sometimes I don't recognize
00:50:07.620
the streets of my, uh, beloved birthplace. And, um, I guess one last thing I want to get your take
00:50:14.740
on this Sue Ann. Is this an indictment of the failure of official state multiculturalism? And
00:50:22.900
by that, I mean, when we go back to 1971, when Pierre Elliott Trudeau officially enshrined
00:50:28.660
multiculturalism, there was an unspoken deal. Wasn't there, which was this come to Canada,
00:50:35.060
pursue the Canadian promise, take advantage of all our social welfare programs in return.
00:50:42.260
All we ask is this behave, obey the law. Do not import your age old hatreds to our dominion.
00:50:50.420
But as we've seen for the last 19 months plus, um, that ain't the case in reality, is it?
00:50:57.300
Well, I think it speaks to the rapid immigration, the attempts by the Trudeau government and now
00:51:04.740
Carney to bring Mark Carney to bring in all these immigrants, not properly vetted. I mean,
00:51:10.980
Mark Miller should be, you know, raked over the coals for bringing in all these Gazans with all their,
00:51:17.540
you know, hates towards Jews. And, uh, I don't know what they're thinking. Maybe they're looking for new
00:51:24.340
voters. I don't know, but, um, they're not properly vetted and they spew their hate on the streets.
00:51:32.260
They don't respect Canadian laws and customs. I've interviewed in my time, um, when I was at the Sun,
00:51:40.180
mostly people who respected the, uh, immigration system and came in legally, came in, jumped through
00:51:47.540
all the hoops are, uh, respectful people of society, earning a good living making. And I still remember
00:51:56.100
doing that. And this is not the, these are not the kind of people that Canada should be well,
00:52:02.260
welcoming a hundred percent. And again, it's the political class. I remember walk with Israel.
00:52:08.420
That was an event for a who's who of the political elite to be seen at, but this year,
00:52:14.900
no Mayor Chow, no premier Ford, no prime minister Carney. So we kind of get the idea of where they
00:52:22.500
stand. So Anne, a pleasure as always. Um, thank you so much. And, uh, I guess my Jewish star.
00:52:29.060
Yes. You know, I only say this half jokingly. Um, you might not want to walk in certain areas of the
00:52:37.700
GTA with that on display. I don't care. I don't care. I'm proud of who I am and I'm not
00:52:44.740
going to stop wearing it. There you go. That's the spirit. Uh, Sue Ann Levy of Juneau news.
00:52:49.940
Thank you so much. Hey, welcome back your letters to me on the Romanian migrant in Ireland. Patricia
00:53:04.820
Fisher says, and poor Lucy Conley was jailed for a short rant on the internet that she got rid of.
00:53:10.020
Wake up UK. You know, I saw that the, that the, the UK attorney general himself personally recommended
00:53:17.700
that Conley, uh, be kept in for 31 months. That's that wife of a politician who tweeted
00:53:23.700
rude things for a few hours. Imagine 31 months in prison.
00:53:28.340
Omerita says, sometimes you need vigilantes because like you said, the police are doing nothing.
00:53:32.740
We don't want to live in a war of all against all as Hobbs put it. We want police to have control,
00:53:38.420
but if they don't do their job, men with broad chests will come in and do it for them.
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12 v. 71. Detroit says 2 million foreigners per month headed to Canada. Thanks Carney. I don't
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think it's 2 million a month. I think maybe that's a typo. It's 200,000 a month. Yes. 817,000
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migrants have come to Canada so far in 2025. It's a staggering number. I think it's the highest ever.
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And I think it's a deep problem that we haven't even begun to see the foul fruits of.
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That's the show for today. Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us at Rebel World Headquarters to
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you at home, good night and keep fighting for freedom.