Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Unveiling the real motives behind a Liberal MP's voicemail incident

00:00:00.000 Hello my friends, an Alberta-centric show today. We're going to talk with Lauren Gunter

00:00:03.840 about the new opinion polls showing the NDP is ahead of the conservatives in Alberta. A bit

00:00:09.360 terrifying. And we'll talk about a local MP from Calgary, a liberal MP who says that his voicemail

00:00:15.000 is full of death threats and hate speech. Well, I'll show you exactly what was in his voicemail

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00:00:57.320 right, here's today's podcast. Tonight, a liberal MP feels so threatened by a mean voicemail

00:01:04.740 that he publishes it on Twitter instead of going to the police. I'll tell you what's really going

00:01:09.360 on here. It's May 15th and this is the Ezra Levant Show.

00:01:11.920 You're fighting for freedom! Shame on you, you censorious bug!

00:01:21.840 I saw this on Twitter. This is from Friday from a liberal MP from Calgary, actually, named

00:01:32.740 George Chahal. So he tweeted, I could tell you, but I'd rather show you. Listen to the

00:01:39.700 voicemails somebody left at my constituency office the other night. Warning, racist and

00:01:46.340 homophobic slurs, misogyny, death threats. Jeez, that sounds terrible. And it just happened 0.95

00:01:54.400 the other night. Here, let's listen for a bit, but I won't play at all. It goes on and

00:01:59.160 on and on, basically repeating the same language in a bunch of different ways. Here, take a

00:02:04.340 listen. 1.00

00:02:04.980 Hey, I just wanted to say that stupid, ugly faggot that deserves to be exterminated. The liberal 1.00

00:02:10.380 party are a bunch of traitor faggots just like you. And I hope your entire family dies, the 1.00

00:02:14.900 ugly faggot. 1.00

00:02:16.340 Hi, I just wanted to say all the liberals deserve their families to be exterminated. 1.00

00:02:22.540 You're all a bunch of rat, ugly traitors that sold us out to China. So kindly hang yourself. 1.00

00:02:28.140 Thank you. 1.00

00:02:30.460 Hi, just a reminder, the liberal party is a bunch of faggots and all your families should 1.00

00:02:35.340 be exterminated for selling us out to China. I hope you all get what's coming to you and 1.00

00:02:40.460 all your families receive capital punishment.

00:02:42.520 All right, let's cut it off there. It's gross. The first thing to notice is that George Chahal 0.99

00:02:52.340 knows the caller's phone number. Did you see that? It was identified, area code 587. That's

00:02:58.840 a Calgary number. So he knows who calls. The second thing to note is that all these voicemails

00:03:06.180 are from the same guy. Now, I listened to the recording. It's too much. It's gross. He swears.

00:03:13.160 He calls George Chahal a rat, which is not very nice. Calls him a traitor, which is not nice. 0.97

00:03:19.380 He also uses the N word and the F word. He calls George stupid and ugly. Lots of mean insults. I do 1.00

00:03:27.440 not condone them. He says that Chahal deserves to be exterminated, deserves to be. And he hopes you all 1.00

00:03:36.540 die. But I should point out that that's not actually a death threat. He's just saying he hopes they die. 0.98

00:03:42.240 You deserve to die. That's not I am going to kill you. Not that it's nice. It's just not a death 1.00

00:03:46.800 threat. That's all. He also says corporal punishment once, which I don't know if you know

00:03:53.060 the difference between capital punishment is when you kill. Corporal punishment is when you get a

00:03:56.180 spanking or get the strap as there was when I was in elementary school. He mentions treason and China

00:04:03.380 and he hates the liberals. So it's a bit of a rant and extremely rude. Here's George Chahal tweeting

00:04:10.560 about it again, referring to Susan Delacorte talking about death threats. He says, Susan

00:04:15.480 Delacorte is spot on. Threats like these are a regular occurrence. It's almost starting to feel

00:04:22.280 normal. But politicians, their teams and their loved ones should never have to experience this.

00:04:27.920 Homegrown hatred is growing and we need to fight back. What do you mean by fight back, George?

00:04:35.180 We call the police that and that's a good idea. But I don't think that's what he means. I think

00:04:41.560 he means censorship of critics, including rude critics and demonizing non-liberals as extremists

00:04:49.960 or terrorists. Here, let's watch a little bit. This is from a CTV news story that frankly could have

00:04:57.840 been written by Chahal himself. A Calgary politician is giving a glimpse into the abuse

00:05:02.800 and vitriol he and his staff received from callers. Liberal MP George Chahal recorded voicemails

00:05:09.060 left at his Calgary office spewing hateful, racist and homophobic slurs against him, his family

00:05:15.240 and staff. Tyson Fedor reports.

00:05:18.460 Get out of my country, you f***ing rat. Liberals are a bunch of f***ing traitors. I hope you all die. 1.00

00:05:26.020 It's just one of more than a dozen voicemails from one man named Calgary Skyview MP George Chahal. 1.00

00:05:31.960 Hey, I just wanted to say that stupid ugly f***ing deserves to be exterminated. The Liberal Party 1.00

00:05:37.520 are a bunch of traitors f***ing just like you. And I hope your entire family dies, you ugly f***ing. 1.00

00:05:42.400 A compilation of racial, homophobic death threats and personal attacks aimed at him, 1.00

00:05:47.880 his family and staff at his Calgary constituency office in the span of one evening.

00:05:52.740 It's deeply concerning that folks are using this bigotry and hate speech to target politicians like

00:06:01.620 myself. The unidentified caller's voicemails were posted to Chahal's Twitter Friday night,

00:06:06.740 outlining the abuse he has received since jumping from municipal to federal politics, 0.97

00:06:11.660 calling him a rat, the n-word, and using homophobic slurs, the man wishes death on all liberals. 0.98

00:06:18.300 Well, this is the worst I've seen over the last few years, and the level of hatred and discrimination 0.99

00:06:24.600 towards elected officials. And it's got to stop.

00:06:28.940 Okay, it's interesting. Why publish the voicemail with all that vitriol? Why do that?

00:06:35.180 Why not go to the police? He said in his tweet, it was from the other day. No, it actually turns out

00:06:44.040 it was from months ago. He said it's a regular occurrence, but it's the same one guy.

00:06:49.300 And what was the death threat again besides saying you deserve to die? That's not a death threat.

00:06:57.260 All of this was from one man, and I do not support that one man, whoever he is.

00:07:03.340 But it turned into a press conference and a news story.

00:07:07.340 All right, well, let's bring in an expert to help us think, because we don't know what to think without

00:07:12.940 an expert to tell us. What is this expert expert in? Well, he's just an expert. It's Keith Brownsey.

00:07:20.240 He's a political science professor. I don't mind Keith Brownsey, but he says this is a crime,

00:07:26.560 a hate crime. Here, take a listen. One political expert is unsure what fuels

00:07:30.780 vile speech of this magnitude, but admits it may result in criminal charges.

00:07:35.800 That type of language is hate speech, and it can be prosecuted. It's also criminals

00:07:42.840 harassment. I mean, he's threatening to kill people. 0.96

00:07:46.220 Hey, George, just for a reminder, you're an ugly, fat... 1.00

00:07:48.980 Keith Brownsey says a distaste from Albertans towards Prime Minister Justin Trudeau 0.99

00:07:54.040 and liberal politicians only represents a fraction of the population.

00:07:58.780 Maybe 25% of the population has this visceral disdain for the Liberal Party,

00:08:05.900 but the rest of the population just doesn't care.

00:08:09.880 Listen, I'm against harassing phone calls, and luckily, they don't happen too often

00:08:13.660 in the era of caller ID and eminently traceable calls, but is this actually a hate crime?

00:08:19.680 I don't think Professor Brownsey's a lawyer, so I forgive him, I suppose, and maybe it's

00:08:24.120 a minor point, but contrary to what Professor Brownsey says, the criminal code provision

00:08:28.220 against hate speech is a little more complicated. It only applies when you communicate to a third

00:08:33.840 person, as in you publicly say something about him to him, and not just when you say something

00:08:41.380 mean to a guy himself, and it has to be likely to cause some sort of disturbance.

00:08:46.840 Let me quote from the law itself, section 319 of our criminal code. 319.1. There's several

00:08:53.280 paragraphs, but they're all very similar.

00:08:55.380 Everyone who, by communicating statements in any public place, not some guy's private

00:09:02.340 voicemail, incites hatred against any identifiable group where such incitement is likely to lead

00:09:10.580 to a breach of the peace, is guilty of an indictable offense, is liable to imprisonment

00:09:15.300 for a term of exceeding two years, or an offense punishable on summary conviction, and that's

00:09:22.120 just called the willful promotion of hatred. There are other similar sections. But these

00:09:28.000 voicemails weren't in public. In fact, George Chahal and CTV were the ones who published them,

00:09:34.860 weren't they? Is it really likely to incite hatred where the breach of the peace is likely?

00:09:41.880 Is it really? Against whom? The caller says the N-word, and then the F-word for gays. But I think

00:09:50.120 he's just using those as insults against George Chahal, who is neither gay nor black. 0.90

00:09:55.240 I think the main thing is this angry, rude caller is just anti-liberal, I think. Again, I'm against 0.85

00:10:02.580 all of this. I'm against mean voicemails. If someone who worked for me was leaving, harassing

00:10:08.400 voicemails like that with a liberal MP, I'd fire the guy and say, come on, give your head a shake.

00:10:13.500 What are you doing? But is that a hate crime under the criminal code? I just don't think so,

00:10:19.280 at least not yet. I'm not for these kinds of calls, but it's hardly a crime to be rude.

00:10:26.120 It's really just a slightly less polite version of what Justin Trudeau says about Albertans in the

00:10:33.580 oil patch or about the unvaccinated on any given day. If you don't want to get vaccinated,

00:10:40.740 vaccinated, that's your choice. But don't think you can get on a plane or a train beside vaccinated

00:10:46.500 people.

00:10:47.580 And now is the time for people who are still resistant to getting vaccinated to realize

00:10:56.340 that that choice, which has consequences on putting our kids at risk, which has consequences

00:11:04.420 at having us risk more lockdowns because they haven't chosen to get vaccinated yet, that

00:11:13.020 there will be consequences for those people in not being able to go to a gym or a restaurant,

00:11:20.240 not being able to go to a movie theater, not being able to get on a train or a plane.

00:11:24.460 I want to stand up for the choice of those who are there for their neighbors, not those 0.87

00:11:31.900 who are risking us all going into further lockdowns, of slowing our economic recovery.

00:11:38.460 Trying to bring people together is not always compatible with science, with respect for human

00:11:49.480 rights, with the best way to move things forward.

00:11:52.640 I mean, when Aaron O'Toole talks about, oh, yes, we need to unite people, we need to

00:11:56.520 bring people together. He's talking about defending the rights of people who are anti-vax.

00:12:04.460 That's why we've been unequivocal. If you want to get on a plane or a train in the coming

00:12:10.460 months, you're going to have to be fully vaccinated. So families with their kids don't have to worry

00:12:15.840 that someone is going to put them in danger in the seat next to them or across the aisle.

00:12:21.060 Unfortunate that people who chose not to get vaccinated are now the ones clogging up our 0.51

00:12:29.660 ICU systems and our hospital beds that should be available for people who did their work and

00:12:37.060 did get vaccinated, making sure that businesses that choose to move forward with vaccination

00:12:44.200 requirements aren't subject to unnecessary or unjustified lawsuits.

00:12:48.980 If you make a choice, a personal choice, to not get vaccinated, then I will have no sympathy for

00:12:57.740 you when you come to me and said, oh, but I can't go out to a restaurant with my friends or I'm not

00:13:02.920 being allowed to go to the gym or my employer is telling me I have to continue to work from home.

00:13:08.300 Uh, you don't have a right to endanger others.

00:13:12.640 And those people are putting us all at risk.

00:13:15.660 Yeah, a little less swearing there, but I think that's actually much more likely to cause a breach

00:13:21.420 of the peace. That's a little more under that hate speech definition, isn't it? What Trudeau said.

00:13:26.680 Here's some more from this CTV report that could have been written by George Chahal himself, and

00:13:31.020 maybe it was.

00:13:32.840 Chahal's staff would not say when the calls were made, but Calgary police say it is aware of the phone

00:13:37.860 calls after a complaint was lodged Saturday. Police say the initial report says the phone calls date

00:13:43.920 back to March.

00:13:46.700 And Tyson joins us from Chahal's constituency office tonight. Tyson, Chahal has enhanced security

00:13:51.920 measures.

00:13:53.760 And Alicia, Chahal telling me today that he was not subject to this type of abuse as a city

00:13:59.340 councillor here in Calgary before, of course, jumping to federal politics. He says a lot of this abuse

00:14:05.020 started on the campaign trail back in 2021 when running for the constituency here in Calgary.

00:14:11.140 Skyview, he says his daughter and his niece were followed home while on the campaign trail.

00:14:16.020 Now, here at his office, as you saw in that story, some of those security measures inside

00:14:20.180 the office show staff behind secured doors while the windows and front door are actually

00:14:26.580 barred with metal bars. There's also CCTV cameras inside to look at the premises around the facility.

00:14:34.600 Now, Chahal says it's on all politicians who fuel this type of vitriol to take it into account and

00:14:41.360 be held accountable for their actions. Alicia?

00:14:44.100 So those bars in his office, apparently they're part of this story, even though they've obviously

00:14:49.820 been up for a long time. And Chahal only tweeted this out on Friday and he only bothered to talk to

00:14:56.340 police on the weekend. Solid journalism there, Tyson Fedor, talking about how he's terrified.

00:15:01.680 That's why the bars are up. Yeah, maybe. I think it's probably more because

00:15:07.440 George Chahal's neighborhood is a higher crime neighborhood in general, real crime, not political

00:15:13.400 crimes. Some of the crime, in fact, in George Chahal's neighborhood is committed by George Chahal

00:15:20.500 himself, in fact, which is quite a story. Chahal admitted to stealing his opponent's campaign

00:15:27.760 literature right out of mailboxes. Like he would snoop in people's mailboxes and take out his

00:15:34.580 opponent's stuff. That is a crime. Unlike swearing on a voicemail, that's an actual crime.

00:15:40.860 But he's a Trudeau liberal, so it's all okay. Don't worry about it. See, there are crimes and then there

00:15:46.620 are crimes. There is vitriol and hate and then there's vitriol and hate. Or as Vladimir Lenin simply

00:15:53.220 put it, who, whom. Two words, who, whom. Stalin said that too. So did Trotsky. What does it mean?

00:16:03.780 It means someone was going to do it and someone was going to get it done to them. A terrible thing

00:16:09.120 was going to be done. The only question was who and whom. That was a fact the communists just knew

00:16:15.440 they would be the ones doing it to their enemies, not the other way around. Who? Whom?

00:16:22.360 George Chahal doesn't care about crime. He literally is a criminal and his party is soft on crime.

00:16:30.120 Crime is up in northeast Calgary and everywhere. That's why there's bars on his windows. 0.75

00:16:34.940 He doesn't care about mean words. He's the one who published them to CTV and on Twitter.

00:16:40.360 There was no death threat, just deep rudeness. I hope you die. It's not a death threat. 1.00

00:16:47.260 But you heard at the end, Tyson Fedor, what Lenin would call a useful idiot, said other politicians 0.98

00:16:53.760 are to be held accountable here. Really? Gee, I didn't see that coming. What exactly did those 0.99

00:16:59.360 other politicians do? Well, it doesn't matter. It's who, whom. Who's going to be smashing whom?

00:17:06.040 This is about the censorship of ordinary people, especially if they speak out against dear leader

00:17:12.300 Trudeau. And it's about demonizing anyone who stands up to the regime, lumping them in with rude,

00:17:19.180 vile people. Here's how Alexander Solzhenitsyn put it. Your punishment for having a knife

00:17:27.320 when they searched you would be very different from the thief's. For him to have a knife was

00:17:34.240 mere misbehavior. Tradition. He didn't know any better. But for you to have one was terrorism.

00:17:43.800 Trudeau and George Chahal can call you any name they like. So can CTV. But if you swear at them,

00:17:52.640 get ready for prison for a hate crime. Stay with us for more.

00:18:04.240 Welcome back. There are some provincial elections that affect much more than just the province

00:18:13.320 that's holding them. Ontario is one example. It's an economic powerhouse. Quebec is another.

00:18:19.880 Obviously, if they're going to go full-blown separatist, that impacts a lot of other places.

00:18:25.300 Alberta is the same for a number of reasons. It is the economic engine, the entrepreneurial,

00:18:30.660 freedom-loving part of the country, or at least it's supposed to be. It voted for right of center

00:18:36.840 parties for pretty much a century until an implosion of the parties on the right caused an

00:18:42.600 accidental victory of Rachel Notley in 2015. It was an economic disaster. The oil patch was run out

00:18:50.720 of town. The combination of Rachel Notley provincially and Justin Trudeau federally, the worst

00:18:55.500 of all worlds, the perfect storm, the implementation of a carbon tax in that province that swore he would

00:19:03.080 never have one. Well, Jason Kenney came back from Ottawa to heal that. He merged the parties in the

00:19:10.440 right, calling it the United Conservative Party or UCP. But alas, he did not fulfill his whole term

00:19:18.320 between charges that he was too soft on Trudeau and Ottawa, perhaps keeping an eye out to when he

00:19:25.240 eventually wanted to run for prime minister and didn't want to say anything too provincial. And his

00:19:30.480 heavy-handed approach to the lockdown, at least heavy-handed compared to the standards of liberty

00:19:35.940 in Alberta, he was given the boot and his successor, Danielle Smith, was voted him. But she didn't come

00:19:43.300 from the caucus. She came from the world of punditry and journalism. And one of the problems with

00:19:48.040 that is, every day for hours on your radio show or YouTube interviews, you speak very candidly about

00:19:55.780 every controversial subject under the sun. In fact, controversy is your currency. When you're a talk

00:20:03.320 show host, you've got to keep it provocative to make it interesting. Well, what fertile ground for

00:20:09.860 the NDP's opposition war room to go through to take things either out of context or just to spin them

00:20:16.480 in a way that makes you look, well, controversial and better suited to be a pundit than a governing

00:20:21.900 premier. And I think that may be what is happening. A new poll out shows not only is the NDP ahead

00:20:29.500 of Danielle Smith, the new leader of the UCP, but it's even ahead in the city of Calgary, what ought to

00:20:37.480 be the most conservative big city in the country. We're going to talk about that poll. But first,

00:20:42.800 we're going to talk about Lauren Gunter's new column that the NDP are hardly the party of ordinary

00:20:50.520 taxpayers and working people, a column that appeared in the Edmonton Sun. Joining us now by Skype is

00:20:56.280 Lauren Gunter. Lauren, I saw your headline. It's NDP hardly the party of ordinary taxpayers and working

00:21:04.540 people. I don't even know if they pretend to be that anymore. I think they're the party of the woke,

00:21:09.540 of the university professors, the environmentalists, of the race-critical activists. I don't even know,

00:21:16.760 other than the fact that they get money and donations from the labor unions. I don't think

00:21:21.340 they actually even pretend to be anymore, or am I wrong? No, I think they pretend to be. I don't think

00:21:27.920 they do anything real to be the party of working people, of ordinary citizens, of ordinary tool pushes.

00:21:36.360 You know, the guys used to work on the assembly lines, the guys who used to load up their truck in

00:21:41.780 the morning and drive 100, 200 kilometers out into the middle of nowhere to check on a pumping

00:21:48.340 station on an oil pipeline. They don't represent those people at all anymore. And you can see that

00:21:55.300 when they're in power. When the NDP were in power in Alberta from 2015 to 2019, they helped, along with

00:22:02.660 the municipalities and the feds, to grow the percentage of the workforce in Alberta that is

00:22:09.660 public sector from 19%, which is one of the lowest in the country, to about 23 or 24%, which is about

00:22:16.740 average in the country. That's a huge increase. And that was before the pandemic, of course, where no one

00:22:24.440 in the public sector got laid off. And the public sector grew and grew and grew. So I haven't seen the

00:22:31.460 latest figures on what our percentage is now, but it must be approaching one quarter of all workers

00:22:36.680 in Alberta, our public sector. And that's who the NDP represents most. It represents teachers,

00:22:45.340 nurses, people in the public sector or the public service in the province, in the federal government,

00:22:52.460 people who want bigger government, who think they're hard done. It's like the PSAC workers who

00:22:58.900 were recently out on strike and were surprised to find that the general public doesn't think of them

00:23:05.960 as as hard done by little working guys. That's that's the kind of mentality now that the NDP

00:23:14.900 represent. Yeah, it was incredible to me watching those PSAC strikers when they made their passionate

00:23:20.440 case. It was, hey, man, I want to keep working from home, dude. Like, that's your great grievance.

00:23:26.540 We're on the precipice of a recession. Inflation. I was hardly doing any work at the office.

00:23:32.100 Now I'm at home doing nothing. Yeah. And I want to be able to continue doing that.

00:23:36.100 You know what? Me too, man. Unfortunately, only government pure regrets get that. But when you're

00:23:41.860 talking about a quarter of the workforce now in the public sector, that's a built in base to start

00:23:47.940 from. I mean, I remember growing up in Alberta, the NDP was a fringe party. In many writings,

00:23:53.280 it would get single digits in its most successful writings. It would get in the teens and it would

00:23:58.520 punch through a few here and there. In recent years, it would win some seats in the capital.

00:24:03.220 But the idea that it would dominate even in Calgary, that's the new abacus pole. So here's my point. 0.72

00:24:11.560 I agree with you that there is a real collegiality between the NDP and the unions. In fact,

00:24:20.740 Rachel Notley's husband, Lou Arab, is a senior executive with the federal public.

00:24:26.800 Yeah, CUPE, the federal union.

00:24:30.560 And the AFL, the Alberta Federation of Labor, which represents an awful lot of private sector

00:24:36.860 union types, is huge in the NDP. They are an affiliate member of the NDP.

00:24:43.240 That would be like having the, you know, the CEO groups out there, the chambers of commerce. It would

00:24:49.740 be like literally having the council of CEOs as part of the conservative party. Like all you're missing

00:24:56.560 is the top hat and the monocle. And to give those people an official standing there. I think that,

00:25:03.140 you know, it's really iffy from a campaign finance point of view. But let's put that aside.

00:25:09.200 Calgary is supposed to be different. Edmonton's got the big university, big hospitals, big bureaucracy.

00:25:14.260 I get it. Calgary is supposed to be the oil patch, freest city, cowboy spirit, you know, ranching.

00:25:21.180 I'm a free man on the land kind of thing. But I'm looking at the stats here. In Calgary,

00:25:30.260 the NDP, when you take up, I mean, it's leading 42 to 36. And by the way, when you take out the

00:25:36.800 undecideds, the numbers don't get any better. It looks like it's going to be a blowout in Edmonton.

00:25:42.880 And the NDP is more than double. And that's not a surprise. But even in rural parts, it's just a

00:25:51.580 single digit difference. Now, I don't want to put too much stock in just one poll. And I note that

00:25:57.880 abacus is chaired by liberal party partisans. But boy, that's grasping at straws on my part to say,

00:26:05.300 oh, no, I don't put too much stock in this. I think it's real.

00:26:08.520 Like Post Media had a poll done by Leger that showed the NDP and UCP tied in Calgary about

00:26:15.740 seven days ago. Angus Reid had a poll that shows the UCP ahead in Calgary by a substantial,

00:26:23.200 beyond the margin of error. So you name the outcome you want. I will find you a pollster that

00:26:30.740 has those results. But my sense is that increasingly in politics, people vote not for the policies of

00:26:40.000 the party, or the perceived position on the ideological spectrum, but for the person who

00:26:46.840 socially seems the most like them. And I think Danielle Smith looks an awful lot like 0.99

00:26:55.680 sort of a wingy type of person, a person who has very extreme views, particularly on COVID.

00:27:05.160 And as a result, doesn't look like me, doesn't feel like me to a lot of voters. And Rachel Notley

00:27:13.380 does. And, you know, I'm about to, after we're off the air here, I'm about to sit down and write a

00:27:19.060 column about the NDP's job creation numbers, which were abysmal. Economically, the NDP would be a

00:27:27.040 disaster in Alberta. But Rachel Notley feels like my neighbor later. And that's why people are going

00:27:34.360 to vote for her. And Danielle Smith sounds like a clanging gong in a howling wind. And people aren't

00:27:42.820 aren't cozy to that. So a lot of people might hold their noses and vote UCP, because they're afraid the

00:27:50.280 NDP will be bad economically. But there are an awful lot of other people who probably had been

00:27:55.820 PC voters before, back during Ralph's time or Law Heat's time, who will simply stay home.

00:28:02.720 And if that happens, then you get 100,000, 150,000 of those people staying home. That would make a

00:28:09.660 huge difference for the NDP's chances. Yeah. You know, interesting in that abacus poll,

00:28:14.680 they say that 19% of people who voted for the federal conservatives would support the provincial

00:28:24.400 NDP. That seems like an impossible duality. Like that's, how do you do that?

00:28:30.600 The NDP basically taken the place in Alberta of the Liberal Party. The Liberal Party will be lucky

00:28:38.280 if it gets more than 5% of the vote in the provincial election. I would be surprised if

00:28:44.300 it gets 5%. The Alberta Party, which is, we're the Liberal Party, but we're too sophisticated to call

00:28:51.460 ourselves a Liberal Party. They are, to me, the Alberta Party is the most pretentious party I have

00:28:58.800 ever seen in provincial politics because, oh, we're above partisan politics. We're too good for

00:29:04.460 partisan jousting. Oh my goodness. And so, I mean, they just give me heartburn every time I hear

00:29:12.040 anything they have to say because it is so arrogant. But they might get 4%. The Liberal Party might get

00:29:21.260 3% or 4%. But by and large, the kind of people who maybe were red Tories in the previous PC regimes

00:29:31.320 and the people who are Liberals in the province, and in most elections, the Liberals would get 8% to

00:29:37.680 10% of the vote. Those people have now moved, for this election anyway, to the NDP because Smith does

00:29:46.580 not represent who they think they are. Yeah. And the thing is, even if she campaigns in a certain

00:29:51.720 way these days, she has left, as I said in my opening, such a trail of public statements that

00:29:58.460 were ideologically strong. In fact, frankly, a lot of it sounds like rebel news. Can you imagine if

00:30:02.940 either one of us decided to run for public office? Oh, you know, it's funny. Here, let me play you the

00:30:07.800 latest NDP. I'm not even going to call it a leak because it's not like it was an internal thing. They just

00:30:13.520 went through hundreds of hours of Danielle Smith talking, which she did for a living. And I mean,

00:30:20.260 by the way, John Tory had a talk show in Toronto, but he was so milquetoast. He was so cautious.

00:30:29.400 There was really nothing he said. He was such a boring, vanilla guy that there was nothing he said

00:30:36.300 in hundreds of hours. There was no there there. Danielle Smith sounded like an Alberta radio host,

00:30:42.860 which is controversies of the day. And I think, frankly, some of her language is stuff that I

00:30:48.940 said. I think she might be a rebel news. I know she's a rebel news follower.

00:30:52.740 But for example, I know that that there is a criminal code section. I don't know if it's

00:30:57.640 ever been prosecuted ever that says it is a crime to disturb a religious assemblage. It's a crime.

00:31:06.060 You can't go and mess up a funeral or a wedding. That's actually a special criminal code. That feels a little

00:31:13.780 archaic, but I sort of like it. You can't mess around in a church, a mosque, a synagogue. That's not a

00:31:18.900 hate crime. It's just you're not allowed to mess up a church. And so when various police or rather health

00:31:26.060 inspectors would say, let me in your church, some church men, and I know this in Edmonton, for example,

00:31:31.180 the Great Slate Church just south of the city, they had some church elders who would stand at the door

00:31:35.900 and say, you cannot disturb this church service. Come back when it's done. I think it was section

00:31:40.880 127 of the criminal code. I forget off the top of my head. That's actually a law. And that law was not

00:31:47.440 tested. No one charged a health officer with that crime. I don't know if it ever would proceed.

00:31:53.440 But that is on the books. Well, Danielle Smith mentioned that. And that is the latest proof of

00:32:01.500 how extreme she was in the eyes of the NDP. Here, take a look at this clip that they released. I'm not

00:32:07.380 going to say leaked because it was a public video of a pundit. Here, take a look.

00:32:11.140 The first thing is that you have to have good political leadership. I mean, the only reason

00:32:15.640 why we saw those actions is because the AHS gave carte blanche to our chief medical officer of health

00:32:23.900 and the AHS to be able to enforce that. So the first step is making sure that we're electing people

00:32:28.820 who would never give that kind of latitude to the police. And I think we've just demonstrated with

00:32:33.460 the example that you gave. Why? Because you had frontline officers using their own judgment call

00:32:39.460 about how to enforce, when to enforce, and how aggressively to enforce. And they made some big mistakes.

00:32:44.420 So the boys playing ice hockey should have never been targeted. The pastors should have never been

00:32:51.580 arrested. In fact, I remember being on the air because it was my last couple of days on the air

00:32:56.340 when Pastor Cones got arrested. And there were many people sending me criminal code sections. You are

00:33:04.660 not allowed under the criminal code to disrupt a service. That's a criminal code violation. So I have to

00:33:11.300 wonder whether or not some of those officers are the ones who broke the law in doing so.

00:33:17.460 And the idea now, especially as we're seeing this, we're all in doing really bad dudes who are getting

00:33:23.780 let out and committing heinous crimes. And they decided to keep pastors in jail and in solitary

00:33:30.580 confinement for as long as four or five weeks.

00:33:33.380 Yeah. And the freedom guys. Pat King, what is it? A hundred days?

00:33:37.220 Well, not tomorrow. This is just wrong.

00:33:41.540 Well, I think that's an interesting thing to say. I certainly was upset with armed cops walking

00:33:48.180 into churches. It felt unnatural. It felt unfree. It felt nervous. They did that in Ontario too.

00:33:55.860 Danielle Smith pointed that out. I share that view. But as you say, that's this, oh my God,

00:34:01.380 is she some, you know, is this going to be like some armed, you know, standoff like Waco or something?

00:34:10.100 The NDP and their friends in the CBC are all too happy to run with that. And she's left a trail

00:34:18.260 of these out there. I agree with it, but I think it can be made to scare maybe some of these swing

00:34:24.620 voters. But she doesn't respond to it the way you just responded to it, which is to say, look,

00:34:29.540 I don't like the idea of the police going into the sanctuary of a church and trying to disrupt

00:34:36.660 the gathering, even in the middle of the pandemic. If there's a problem, then you need to have the

00:34:44.100 police come and talk to the pastor after, before, whatever. And we need to next time. You can even

00:34:52.820 give them a pass this last time around. You can say, but the next time this happens,

00:34:58.660 we can't just rush to lock everything down. That hurt school kids, it hurt church services,

00:35:05.140 it hurt people who had to grieve at the funeral of a loved one without anyone there to comfort them

00:35:11.220 because of the public health regulation. We went way too far and we need next time to follow the

00:35:17.780 science better, which showed that, you know, masking was largely useless outside of extended

00:35:23.380 care facilities and hospitals, that social distancing kind of sort of works, but it doesn't

00:35:29.540 really, uh, lockdowns don't have anything except bad economic impacts. So, so we need to look at all

00:35:37.060 of this all over again. Uh, and that's, that's, I think how she should have been handling this.

00:35:42.100 Uh, but now she, they, they release something that sounds wingy, uh, or at least picks out a scab

00:35:50.740 that most Albertans thought had healed over. They don't want the pandemic brought up and they're sick

00:35:56.980 and tired of it all. And now here's a statement from the premier that sort of reopens the wound.

00:36:04.260 Uh, and, but rather than saying, Hey, look, I was just blue skying about what we need to do next

00:36:14.420 time, because I don't think what we did last time had as many good health effects as it had bad social

00:36:21.780 and economic effects. Rather than saying that though, now she starts to scurry away from the 0.99

00:36:27.300 things that she said and, and nobody's buying that either. Yeah. You know, it's really tough.

00:36:32.820 And you're right about aesthetics and feelings and emotions. And Rachel Notley has that folksy,

00:36:39.380 friendly feeling, even though at her heart, she is a socialist destroyer. She's just a socialist

00:36:47.140 destroyer with a friendly smile. And she's made speeches to, to labor unions, uh, during this campaign 0.70

00:36:55.220 saying that if elected, they will end double breasting, which is the practice where construction

00:37:02.100 companies may have a unit that is, that is, uh, unionized and a unit that's non unionized,

00:37:08.660 or at least is unionized with, uh, uh, a union that the big unions don't like.

00:37:16.980 There's a Christian union that covers an awful lot of the construction industry that the big unions

00:37:22.820 don't like. So they'll end the ability of construction companies to have both. You'll have to either grab on to

00:37:30.820 the big unions and make your whole operation unionized, or you'll have to be non unionized.

00:37:36.500 And then the kicker that she's giving at these talks is you'll be precluded from bidding on public

00:37:43.780 sector construction projects. If you aren't fully union. Yeah. I mean, that's, that's full out.

00:37:50.740 Like that, that's, that is so socialist that that's childhood stuff, but she's friendly.

00:37:57.300 It's what the BC NDP did. And, and the BC NDP basically ended up because only about 15 or 20%

00:38:05.380 of the, of the union of the construction jobs in BC and Alberta are unionized. What they did then was

00:38:13.060 end up throwing all of these billions of dollars at the unionized shops. And, uh, it, it raises the

00:38:22.100 cost, slows down the completion dates. It does all sorts of things that, uh, ordinary people probably

00:38:28.820 don't want, but is anyone bringing that? I don't understand for instance, why the UCP isn't doing to

00:38:35.460 the NDP on the union stuff, what the NDP does to Smith about her COVID stuff.

00:38:43.860 Yeah. I don't know who's running that campaign. It reminds me a little bit of Donald Trump and

00:38:47.940 his tweets, Donald Trump. And I was a Trump supporter since 2015 and I enjoyed it. And I

00:38:54.100 enjoyed the fact that he was a rascal upending everything bull in a China shop. Um, in the end,

00:38:59.860 I think that was part of his downfall, but cause he was stressing, he was, he stressed out gentle

00:39:06.500 conservatives because he was rough. He was a Manhattan brawler who would give you a nickname

00:39:12.180 and punch you in the nose and say, what are you going to do about it? You know, he, he had sort of

00:39:16.340 a tough guy style and it is a fact that under Joe Biden, there are no mean tweets. He does not tweet

00:39:24.020 anything mean. He doesn't swear. He doesn't make fun of people. He's also an absolute disaster

00:39:31.780 economically, immigration, foreign policy, you name it, but he's not, but he sure that's grandpa Joe

00:39:38.580 Biden. Hey. And even when he loses his cognitive sharpness and has sort of a seniors moment,

00:39:44.900 he's harmless. I know someone like, like even his incompetence is endearing as opposed to scary

00:39:51.300 Trump tweets. And I think that's what we've got here. Rachel Notley is a destroyer and she will

00:39:57.540 socialize and tax and de-Albertify the place she will do to Alberta, what was done to Detroit. 1.00

00:40:03.780 Detroit was once the highest industrial wage city in all of America. It had the highest wage.

00:40:11.300 It was the city to go to for decades and then it was destroyed and now it's hollowed out.

00:40:16.340 Rachel Notley will do that to Alberta. And you know that the other thing that

00:40:21.940 this is just a complete aside, I guess, you hear these progressives like Notley talking all about

00:40:29.380 how they're going to help diversity, equality, inclusion, and racism, et cetera, et cetera.

00:40:35.620 Detroit had the highest working incomes for African Americans of any city in the United States because

00:40:44.900 the auto makers would hire African Americans and pay them the same as white workers on the assembly

00:40:52.740 line. And yet that's not important to the progressives. What's important is their virtue

00:41:00.260 signaling. It's like Trudeau. It's not important what his policies do in reality. It's important how he

00:41:07.140 feels and how you feel voting for him. And it's the same with the NDP. They don't care. They had a

00:41:14.020 just transition for coal workers in Alberta when they were in power in 2015 to 2019. Nothing happened.

00:41:21.220 They didn't transition anybody to a better job as equally well-paying job outside the coal business.

00:41:27.940 They just destroyed a few communities that based on coal mining. And at the end of the day said,

00:41:33.540 well, we intended, we meant well, you know. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the whole Motown, Motor City,

00:41:40.340 that, you know, the whole, there was an enormous black cultural scene in Detroit. You're so right.

00:41:45.940 And by the way, if you want an analogy in Alberta, the number one employer of indigenous people is

00:41:52.500 mining, including oil sands. Absolutely. And boy, they'd love to drive that away. The election is in two

00:41:58.900 weeks from today, May 29th. We have Adam Soh, Sheila Gunn-Reed and other reporters on the ground.

00:42:04.820 And I find this terrifying. I fear that Rachel Notley will be restored. Yep. I fear that too. And I don't

00:42:15.940 know if Alberta will survive it. And I don't want to be a pessimist, but our whole discussion about

00:42:22.900 Detroit shows, you can destroy a great entrepreneurial city. Absolutely. That's what

00:42:29.540 Detroit once was. Now it is a burned out hulk. But hey, the Democrats rule over that,

00:42:35.780 that burned out husk. And so it's a victory in their eyes. What a shame. Lauren Gunter,

00:42:41.540 great to catch up with you. The article is in the Edmonton Sun. The story is called NDP

00:42:47.860 Hartley, the party of ordinary taxpayers and working people. And they're going to,

00:42:53.220 God forbid, find that out firsthand in two weeks time. Thanks for your time, my friend.

00:42:56.980 Yeah, you bet. All right. There you have it, Lauren Gunter. Stay with us. More ahead.

00:43:00.740 Hey, welcome back. Your letters to me. Bruce Acheson says, NDP are communists who believe

00:43:17.540 in cheating and lying to get ahead. The goal of international communism is to have useful idiots 1.00

00:43:21.940 stir up so much trouble. The citizens will beg governments to lock up freedom loving folks 1.00

00:43:26.900 who they blame for the unrest. Don't fall for the spin. I got to tell you something, Bruce.

00:43:33.620 Until the last six months or so, I would have said, whoa, you're throwing the word communist

00:43:38.100 around too easily. These aren't communists. They're, they're socialists. They're big governmentists.

00:43:42.820 They're, they're a little authoritarian, but they're not communists.

00:43:46.180 No, I think I'm being convinced. And I think it was James Lindsay who convinced me that communism

00:43:51.940 is really just critical theory applied, not just to economics, but to race and to gender.

00:43:58.020 And what we saw with those NDP activists storming Danielle Smith's event, and I'm not overstating

00:44:05.700 what they did. They didn't physically smash her, although they shoved a cop and they disrupted an 0.51

00:44:10.020 event, is they're basically saying, as I said in the monologue, who, whom? Someone's going to smash

00:44:17.220 someone. Someone's going to disrupt someone. Someone's going to censor someone. Someone's going to

00:44:20.660 threaten someone. We're going to be doing it to you. That's a communist way of thinking. That's

00:44:25.140 Vladimir Lenin's idea. And they speak the language of liberalism, but they're not liberals. There's a

00:44:33.700 difference between the communist and the liberal. A liberal believes in certain basic tenets and a

00:44:38.580 liberal believes that if they play a game by the rules and lose, they suck it up and take the loss.

00:44:43.940 A communist says, no, no, no. If we win by the rules, we win. If we lose by the rules, we riot.

00:44:54.420 That's the difference between a communist and a liberal. So I think I agree with you.

00:45:00.020 Sue Sidlik says, Rachel and the NDP set it up. Why else would they tweet? I quote from the NDP tweet,

00:45:07.380 Danielle Smith will be next door to the South Health campus at 11 a.m. today. If they were not 0.99

00:45:12.580 directing activists or protesters to go there, why would they tweet it? Exactly. And what a laughable

00:45:17.540 explanation Rachel Notley says. Oh, we tweet out their events all the time. No, you don't, you liar.

00:45:22.260 And by the way, you're not, you're tweeting to your followers. It was an instruction. And the media 0.99

00:45:28.900 were completely fine with it because the media, as I said earlier about Tyson Ford or CTV, they're useful 1.00

00:45:34.500 idiot. Jay Albrecht says, even if you don't like Danielle, don't vote NDP. Remember what happened 0.99

00:45:40.180 last time? Well, as Lauren Gunter told us, things are not looking good. I am terrified by that new

00:45:45.620 poll. There's still two weeks to go. But I think that the media is so monstrously biased,

00:45:51.780 worse than even the federal scene. I'm worried about it. That's our show for today. Until tomorrow,

00:45:58.500 on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night. And keep fighting for freedom.

00:46:04.500 You're fighting for freedom. Shame on you, you sensorism bug. 0.81

Rebel News Podcast - May 15, 2023

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Unveiling the real motives behind a Liberal MP's voicemail incident

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