00:02:31.640It would have been the same, but there are some things that no self-respecting MP would accept, even if they are a socialist or an Islamist.0.98
00:02:42.860And one of the things is what Mark Carney has just done.0.76
00:02:45.680It's a parliamentary procedure move, cutting off debate, denying the opposition the chance to make suggestions or amendments or ask questions.
00:02:56.540You know, the kind of stuff that we have a parliament for.
00:04:23.300The Emergencies Act was challenged in court.
00:04:25.740The Federal Court ruled it was illegal.
00:04:27.540The government appealed to the Federal Court of Appeal.
00:04:30.320Three judges in a row upheld the lower court.
00:04:33.200Four judges in a row now have said invoking the Emergencies Act was illegal.
00:04:39.480But they want to win that case so badly because they want to do what they did.
00:04:46.000Again, they loved doing it, seizing and freezing bank accounts without any legal process,
00:04:51.000that sort of thing that they want to do so much more of.
00:04:54.860never forget that mark carney even though he was living in europe at the time wrote an op-ed in the
00:04:59.260globe and mail saying that anyone who supported the truckers was guilty of sedition and the
00:05:03.780government had to go harder on them not softer anyways take a look at this this is not the
00:05:09.360substance of the new spy bill c22 but rather how they intend to shove it through parliament not
00:05:15.840just over the objections of the opposition but without objections from the opposition just
00:05:21.080cut them out. Just stop them from objecting. Just tape their mouths shut. Just end all the
00:05:27.160silly talk. I mean, the boss, Mark Carney, he's flying to some foreign country again, or several
00:05:33.360actually. This week it's been Ireland and France and wherever, whatever takes him away from the
00:05:38.920humdrum world of parliament. I mean, he rarely goes to question period, much less than Justin
00:05:43.500Trudeau or Stephen Harper did. I mean, why bother? He's bribed his way to a majority, so there's no
00:05:48.820need for him to talk to the opposition. So here's what they're doing with their majority now. Here's
00:05:54.120what they're doing about ramming through the spy bill, C-22, the one that requires tech companies
00:05:59.520to give up your secrets. Here's why they bribed the former conservative Marilyn Gladue and Matt
00:06:06.060Jenneru and Chris Dantremont. Here's why they crossed the floor. Now, you know, Michael Ma
00:06:10.780crossed the floor to be of better service to the Communist Party of China. Literally, his immediate
00:06:16.220reward by Mark Carney was to fly with the Canadian government to China to meet Xi Jinping.
00:06:20.960I mean, couldn't have been more brazen. But here's what all of them are doing. Now,
00:06:24.680I'm going to read the wording to you. This is from the parliamentary website. It's a little
00:06:29.460bit technical, so I'm going to do my best to make it in plain English. But I am going to read it.
00:06:35.160Notwithstanding any standing order or usual practice of the House, Bill C-22,
00:06:40.240an act respecting lawful access, be disposed of as follows. So they're saying,
00:06:44.360no matter what any standing order is no matter how we normally do things no matter
00:06:48.180the rules we're going to change that now see that's what they need the majority for
00:06:53.520then they have a list a it'd be an instruction the standing committee on public safety national
00:07:00.180security that during its consideration of the bill the committee shall meet within one hour
00:07:05.080after the adoption of this order for the purpose of completing clause by clause consideration of
00:07:10.220the bill. Oh, so just one hour. Hey guys, meetings in one hour. Two, if the committee has not
00:07:17.580completed the clause by clause consideration of the bill within 30 minutes of the beginning of
00:07:23.580the meeting, all remaining amendments that were submitted to the committee by June 15th shall be
00:07:28.460deemed moved. The chair shall put the question forthwith and successively without further debate
00:07:33.380on all remaining clauses and amendments submitted to the committee, as well as each and every
00:07:37.760question necessary to dispose of the clause by clause consideration i won't read it all but
00:07:42.460basically you have to meet within an hour you have a grand total of half an hour to talk about it
00:07:48.120and at the end just boom all the amendments are put there's no debating that amendments there's
00:07:54.580no back and forth there's no considering them part three the committee shall have first priority for
00:08:00.860the use of house resources for the meeting so nothing else is more important get this done
00:08:04.680Four, a member of the committee may report the bill to the House by depositing it with the clerk of the House at any time after the completion of clause-by-clause consideration, and the clerk shall notify the House leaders of the recognized parties and independent members, and the report shall be deemed to have been duly presented to the House.
00:16:14.980Yeah, so I mean, unfortunately, Saskatchewan doesn't currently have a new Heritage Fund.
00:16:19.380We had one back in the late 70s to the 90s, where, as you mentioned, politicians decided that it was emergency and essentially spent all the money out of the fund.
00:16:28.980So what we're calling for now is for the government to start a new one to start saving the natural resource revenue for the future.
00:16:35.780OK, well, I'm glad I asked because I didn't know it.
00:16:38.600And tell me what it would mean for Saskatchewan to have one.
00:16:44.780It's good to know that that is a prospective idea.
00:16:50.340Has there been any discussion about this in Saskatchewan?
00:16:53.800And where does the Premier, Scott Moe, who's a pretty good guy, where does he stand on this?
00:16:59.420Yeah, so back in 2013, during one of those old oil booms,
00:17:03.540former Premier Brad Wall commissioned a report on heritage funds for the province of Saskatchewan.
00:17:08.360And that report recommended that the province should start one to save our resource revenues for the future,
00:17:14.160just in the same way that Alberta is doing and a little bit more successfully in places like Norway and Alaska.
00:17:20.280But unfortunately, at that time, the government didn't start a new heritage fund.
00:17:24.380But based on our report, if the government had started a fund back at that time based on similar rules,
00:17:29.720it would contain about $4 billion today and generate about $200 million a year in interest income.
00:17:36.960And that's important because that interest income isn't money that comes from taxpayers.
00:17:40.340It's just generated off the investments in the fund and that it can be used to fix potholes, build hospitals, provide tax relief.
00:17:47.680And we've seen from the current premier, Ska Mo, that he said they're open to that sort of idea.
00:17:52.720But, of course, the government has to pay back some of Saskatchewan's debt first before they can start that heritage fund.
00:17:58.820He said he's open to it. He understands that Saskatchewan has resource wealth.
00:18:02.380So we're trying to push him in the right direction to actually establish that heritage fund and not just talk about it.
00:18:06.980Yeah. I'm thinking back way decades ago when Alberta had this fund. It sometimes gave it at low interest rate loans to have not provinces. It was sort of a kind of foreign policy, so to speak, of Alberta to help out some of the other provinces with cheap money.
00:18:26.420I don't think that worked. I don't know if Alberta got anything in return for basically subsidizing other provinces on top of equalization.
00:18:38.040That's one question I have. Isn't the surplus energy wealth already being scooped up by the feds?
00:18:46.360And would this protect this money from being scooped up? How would this interact with equalization?
00:18:55.680So, I mean, it would obviously go into the same formula when they're making those natural resource revenues, but it would really the big benefit for Saskatchewan, especially when you compare it to the federal government, that then they can save those resource revenues for the future, right?
00:19:08.560So right now, the government, they get a certain amount of money when oil is doing well.
00:19:14.040But if they save the money that they get to keep, then even in the future, when, let's say, oil isn't doing too hot or uranium potash isn't doing too hot, they've already have that money in the savings.
00:19:24.540And then they can dip into that rainy day fund and use it to actually spend on those priorities.
00:19:29.220And then they don't have to rely on something like handouts from Ottawa and make the province more independent and standing on its own footing in that sense instead of riding that resource revenue roller coaster that also Alberta knows only too well.
00:19:41.240You know, in both Alberta and Saskatchewan, politicians are only human, they're flesh and bone. And if they were to see a big piggy bank, you know, in case of fire, break glass or something, when you reward governments in an emergency situation, when you give them power, when you give them money, when you violate civil liberties, you're going to find out pretty quick that there's, it's always an emergency.
00:20:06.260because i mean we saw that during covid times we saw that during the trucker convoy emergencies
00:20:12.440act well no not really um i i think it's pretty tough to build a fence around a pot of money it's
00:20:20.700almost like scrooge mcduck rolling around in the giant safe in all his money it's tough to stop
00:20:26.560politicians from doing that i think you might even need some sort of a constitutional thing
00:20:31.320because if all it takes, I mean, by the way, it's not always going to be a conservative leaning
00:20:36.980premier like Scott Moe. I mean, one day the Sask party will probably lose nothing's forever
00:20:44.440and there'll be a socialist in there. It'll be an NDP again, God forbid. I hate to say it,
00:20:48.840please may it not happen, but it most likely will. And you've got to have such high fences
00:20:55.000around that money that it's not just a vote of the legislature to grab the cash.
00:20:59.960Are there any techniques that we see from around the world in Alaska or Norway that could be copied here in Saskatchewan to stop the thievery of this money?
00:21:11.820Because it's easy to sock money away when resource prices are high.
00:21:15.880But come an election year, any politician would be tempted.
00:21:22.240I think there's two things there that are really important.
00:21:24.060The first one is that any fence is still a little bit better than no fence.
00:21:28.040Because right now there's nothing stopping the government from spending resource revenues as fast as they come in on whatever politician pet project and wasting that money instead of saving it.
00:21:37.640But thankfully, there are some pretty good protections that do exist out there.
00:21:41.460As you mentioned, you talk about constitutional.
00:21:43.740In Alaska, they wrote it into their state constitution that politicians in that state can't pilfer the principle of the fund.
00:21:51.960The initial savings are always kept safe from prying politician hands.
00:21:56.380And then in Norway, they have a whole set up independent fund that manages their whole fund.
00:22:02.320And one key thing about Norway that's also very important is that they don't invest any of their money in Norway.
00:22:08.520They only do it outside of the country.
00:22:10.360So then it's just done for investment returns to go back to Norwegian taxpayers, not for politicians to take the money out to make flashy announcements on bad corporate welfare or other subsidy deals.
00:22:20.860it's a very interesting idea because of course in canada politicians love nothing more than than to
00:22:25.940say we're investing of course they never use their own money they're used that's what they call
00:22:30.160spending well gage it sounds like you've done a lot of thinking about this and i hope it does
00:22:35.600come to pass that there is a heritage fund again i didn't quite know until you explained it to me
00:22:40.900that the idea was there and then it sort of wasn't there but now it's it might come back i think it's
00:22:45.960an exciting idea. You've got an uphill battle to keep money out of politicians' hands, but
00:22:50.880if anyone can do it, the Canadian Taxpayers Federation can. Thanks for spending some time
00:22:55.280with us today. Thanks for having me. All right, there he is, Gage Habrick,
00:22:59.680the Prairie Director for the Canadian Taxpayers Federation. Stay with us. Your letters to me next.
00:23:04.900hey everybody welcome back your letters to me uh about tim hortons the first is from the foreman
00:23:19.680who says this is the first time in my 65 years that i've heard of a news company being threatened
00:23:24.700with lawsuits and trespass orders that tells you all you need to know about this traitor restaurant
00:23:29.120shame yeah tim hortons is going cuckoo they and i i think i know why because they're in an impossible
00:23:36.380position because publicly they've led people to believe that they're going to start hiring
00:23:41.380canadians again but in reality they're not they're still hiring foreign nationals to work as quote
00:23:47.980temporary workers plus they're hiring other foreigners like foreign students and something's
00:23:53.380going to break you can't keep telling the public oh no no we're into canadians now when you're doing
00:23:58.340the opposite. By the way, our whistleblower site that we set up yesterday at timhortonswatch.com,
00:24:04.720oh my God, we've probably had 50 tips come in just overnight. Some of them are more in the way
00:24:12.020of just sort of grumbling, but some of them are very shocking allegations. Expect a lot more
00:24:16.600journalism from us, and hopefully it'll get Tim Hortons to do the right thing. I don't know,
00:24:20.900anything's possible. Old Dude says, please realize, Tim's customers, you are paying for
00:24:26.220these foreign workers twice, buying a product and your taxes. That's so right. I only learned1.00
00:24:32.140fairly recently that the foreign workers program is a cost to the government. We're actually
00:24:37.580subsidizing Tim Hortons so they can hire foreigners instead of young Canadians. I say again,1.00
00:24:44.300my very first job was working in a little restaurant and I literally got minimum wage
00:24:50.080and there wasn't a lot left after the deductions, but it wasn't about the money. It was about my
00:24:54.680first job I was 14 and what that meant and showing up on time and a clean apron and listening to
00:25:00.960instructions and getting along with others and doing things you know doing parts of a job that
00:25:05.840weren't that fun and biting your tongue when a customer was rude it was all those things that
00:25:11.840are far more important than money but we are denying our young people those first jobs so
00:25:17.460that a multinational coffee chain can save a few percent on each cup of coffee I don't accept it