Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Veteran reporter Joe Warmington on the decay of Toronto and Canada

00:00:00.160 Tonight, a feature interview with Toronto's long-serving columnist, Joe Warmington.

00:00:05.320 It's October 14th, and this is The Ezra LeVance Show.

00:00:11.120 Shame on you, you censorious bug.

00:00:23.160 Well, I don't want to be too Toronto-centric.

00:00:25.320 One of the things that I love about Rebel News is that we have reporters across the country.

00:00:29.360 Drea Humphrey flying the flag out there in British Columbia.

00:00:32.140 Very exciting things with the election coming up.

00:00:34.920 The Conservative Party, which was nowhere a year ago, looks poised to replace the tired NDP ideologues out there.

00:00:43.080 Of course, our heart is in Alberta, and we have reporters out there.

00:00:46.400 Sheila Gunn-Reed, our chief reporter in northern Alberta.

00:00:49.180 Alexa Lavoie has really added so much to Rebel News over the years, based in Montreal, doing reports in both English and French.

00:00:55.900 And I, myself, sometimes travel outside of our country looking to learn from other examples, whether it's immigration or censorship.

00:01:04.320 For example, I was down in Sao Paulo for a 200,000-person rally in support of free speech.

00:01:11.180 I've never seen anything like it in my life.

00:01:13.620 I try to bring things back to Canada that I see in other countries.

00:01:17.460 But Canada is our home.

00:01:20.480 It's the most important country to us.

00:01:22.780 And although Toronto is a hobby in Canada to hate Toronto, and I think sometimes Torontonians are charter members of that club, it is an important city.

00:01:32.780 It is a leadership city.

00:01:34.020 And if Toronto goes down, if Toronto becomes a failed state, it can't help but drag down the province and perhaps the entire country with it.

00:01:44.820 And one reporter who knows the streets of Toronto perhaps better than anyone else, because he's a real shoe-leather journalist.

00:01:51.760 And by that, I mean he doesn't spend a lot of time sitting at a desk in an office.

00:01:55.660 He's on the streets with the people.

00:01:57.320 He's taught us so much about journalism.

00:01:59.980 My friend Joe Warmington joins us for a feature interview today.

00:02:03.100 Joe, great to see you.

00:02:04.300 It's good to be with you.

00:02:05.200 I'd be remiss if I didn't mention that you sort of overlooked David Menzoid Menzies.

00:02:10.260 You know, talk about Toronto.

00:02:12.280 I mean, there's nobody more Toronto than the Menzoid.

00:02:15.300 And I know that because whenever I'm out there, I get the story while he's doing autographs and pictures.

00:02:20.700 So it's kind of cool to see.

00:02:22.620 David is absolutely our fan favorite.

00:02:25.000 Because he's based in Toronto, I sort of left him off my list of other places.

00:02:28.780 Just one of those oversights that I had to correct here on that.

00:02:32.760 On the Rebel Today here on Thanksgiving.

00:02:35.260 David knows that I love him.

00:02:37.220 And in many ways, he follows the same style of journalism as you do, which is be out there.

00:02:44.860 The story is out there.

00:02:45.660 The story is not here in the studio.

00:02:47.300 It's out with the people.

00:02:48.860 Yeah, I think he likes getting arrested more than I do.

00:02:52.220 Oh, he doesn't like it.

00:02:53.300 He keeps a smile on his face.

00:02:54.600 But I know he hates it.

00:02:56.440 And his wife is no fan of it either.

00:02:57.920 You know, and I'm always, you know, I pay attention to it.

00:03:01.980 And obviously, I'm concerned whenever it happens to him.

00:03:05.260 And we dive in there to kind of protect him.

00:03:08.100 I think it's outrageous that he is arrested, especially when there's all kinds of real people

00:03:13.060 that do real crimes that aren't arrested.

00:03:15.320 But that's Canada.

00:03:16.780 Canada tends to, you know, arrest people that are kind of easy to arrest.

00:03:21.000 You know, let me throw one quick comment and reply to that.

00:03:23.860 I want to follow your lead on this conversation, but, you know, every year we send a little

00:03:29.640 delegation to cover the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland.

00:03:33.280 And these are VVIPs.

00:03:35.860 John Kerry's walking around.

00:03:37.300 Tony Blair, the former UK prime minister.

00:03:39.480 Like, really, the masters of the universe.

00:03:42.780 And the police are everywhere with serious submachine guns.

00:03:46.060 Like, it is a locked down city.

00:03:48.620 But, Joe, I got to tell you, if you can go up to anyone there, the police do not interfere.

00:03:54.980 As long as you don't touch a VVIP.

00:03:57.920 I mean, you can get as close as I am to you.

00:04:00.300 And the police have no problem with it.

00:04:02.420 They do not interfere.

00:04:03.900 And these are some of the most powerful people in the world.

00:04:06.340 In Canada, you ask a question.

00:04:09.220 Well, I mean, you mentioned what happened to David.

00:04:10.740 He's been arrested four times this year alone.

00:04:13.580 And I just wanted to tell you, Canada, we like to think of ourselves as an easygoing, free

00:04:17.780 place.

00:04:18.440 We have heavy-handed approaches to journalists who are irregular.

00:04:23.480 Well, they're all part of a club.

00:04:25.280 And there's not really a lot of journalists left because of the way the industry has gone.

00:04:29.900 So if you want to stay inside of that club, I learned this years ago.

00:04:34.360 It's a little story about when I worked at the Sioux Star.

00:04:37.160 They covered the briar, you know, the famous national curling championships.

00:04:42.740 And it was in the Sioux.

00:04:44.340 And it was a big deal.

00:04:45.160 I'd never covered curling.

00:04:46.020 I'd been to it with my parents and stuff.

00:04:48.280 I kind of knew a little bit of the rules.

00:04:50.600 But as a reporter, my job was to watch the morning games.

00:04:54.880 In those days, we had a deadline that was in the morning.

00:04:58.120 And then get a story together so they could hit that first paper and get it out there.

00:05:02.720 So I was there.

00:05:04.240 And the game was over.

00:05:05.520 And the guy from the Sioux, Alharned, won.

00:05:07.720 It was early in the tournament.

00:05:08.980 And I ran down the ice at the end and along the middle.

00:05:13.620 And I interviewed him.

00:05:14.420 And I got a quote.

00:05:15.040 And I ran back into the story.

00:05:17.200 And they came up.

00:05:18.500 And they were upset.

00:05:19.640 You didn't follow the rules.

00:05:20.780 And you got ahead of the other media.

00:05:23.360 And it was all about the rules.

00:05:25.640 It wasn't about the story.

00:05:26.520 The fact that of all the people there, the only person that was going to file a story

00:05:31.040 on the event that they're all there to cover was actually me.

00:05:34.880 That's when I first realized it.

00:05:36.480 And I've seen that through my whole career where there's this apparatus that's bigger

00:05:41.220 than the story.

00:05:43.260 And I think if I were to teach journalism, I think that I would suggest that you don't

00:05:47.760 partake in the group.

00:05:49.700 You don't get as, you know, like the sports.

00:05:52.260 I don't want to pick on the sports writers, but all the names are spelled and they give

00:05:56.020 you a nice meal and it's nice and warm and comfortable.

00:05:59.000 And then they give you access to the people after the game.

00:06:01.700 But we don't have that.

00:06:02.920 We're dealing with people that are going to punch you and they're going to get away with

00:06:05.900 it.

00:06:06.380 And if you say anything, you're going to get arrested.

00:06:08.920 And so, you know, that's the reality today.

00:06:12.060 I want to talk about the kind of people we have in this country who punch journalists

00:06:16.580 because there's a lot of them and they're not who the regime says they are.

00:06:20.080 But I just want to follow up about one thing you said about there's peer pressure in journalism.

00:06:26.220 I think it's massive.

00:06:28.320 If you look at a scrum, you have all these journalists who all know each other, who go

00:06:32.180 from event to event together, and they form sort of a club.

00:06:36.260 There's a group identity, we, we the media.

00:06:40.060 And if you do something that's outside of the norms, you'll be an outsider.

00:06:45.500 And what you just described there, the fact that you ran ahead to get the story and the

00:06:50.060 other journalists who didn't run ahead felt their feathers ruffled, that's the story of

00:06:55.520 your life.

00:06:56.380 I think it's also the story of Rebel News.

00:06:58.140 The peer pressure doesn't just come from the people you're reporting about.

00:07:01.640 It's from your rival or competitor journalists.

00:07:05.400 They want you to be part of that same system.

00:07:08.000 And if you're outside the system, they regard you as a kind of threat.

00:07:12.360 You're either in the in-club or the out-club.

00:07:14.120 Rebel, by name, is on the outside.

00:07:16.500 You've sort of straddled the line because you're with a mainstream outlet, the Toronto Sun.

00:07:21.580 But I think your whole life you've been a bit of a maverick and a bit of a lonesome actor.

00:07:30.140 Yeah.

00:07:30.340 I don't consider myself a maverick at all, and I don't consider myself aligning with any

00:07:37.000 ideology or party.

00:07:39.180 So that does make me, I guess, a little bit of an outsider for all of it.

00:07:44.100 You know, an example, and you may run this video when I was actually out with David and

00:07:48.960 Efren, and I can't think of the name of the great photographer that was there that day,

00:07:53.120 but he was really, really brave as well.

00:07:55.200 And this guy, his name is Navid Awen, and everything out of his mouth is something that I just,

00:08:02.300 I mean, I almost want to throw up the stuff that he says, but I don't let him know that.

00:08:07.560 And, you know, I dealt with him on other issues over the years.

00:08:10.680 And so my approach is not to worry about how I feel, but if he will talk to me, what does

00:08:15.700 he have to say?

00:08:16.520 Get as many words out of him before you tip your own head.

00:08:18.400 Yeah, that kind of thing.

00:08:20.120 And then some people say, why didn't you yell at him?

00:08:22.340 Why didn't you this and that?

00:08:23.320 Well, you know, then you're not a journalist.

00:08:25.500 Now, it's a little different for Rebel because, like, you know, you talked about in Davos when

00:08:29.520 you had that guy, you know, from the Pfizer guy.

00:08:33.220 Oh, yeah, Albert.

00:08:33.620 You know, I mean, that was a trial.

00:08:35.140 You put him on trial, and that must have been his most uncomfortable walk of his life.

00:08:40.000 But you were never rude, and you were tough and aggressive.

00:08:43.120 I love that.

00:08:44.060 I mean, I love that whole thing, all the things that you do in Davos.

00:08:47.260 And I think there's times when then I can do that too.

00:08:49.940 But generally, I'm not there for me.

00:08:53.500 I'm not there.

00:08:54.120 I'm there for the audience.

00:08:55.820 And the same thing with all the politicians I deal with.

00:08:59.360 They will all call me back the next time because of that, I think.

00:09:03.080 Yeah.

00:09:03.260 I mean, you are very skillful at that.

00:09:05.640 And you let the other side do the talking.

00:09:09.040 And your point of view, it's there, but it's not pop, bop, bop you in the nose.

00:09:13.920 It's a person at the other side.

00:09:16.800 It's a person and a perspective.

00:09:18.760 And I'm a person, and I have a perspective.

00:09:21.700 And that's how I feel about David and yourself and, you know, Alexa and Sheila, all, you know,

00:09:27.080 and Dre, you mentioned, and I may be missing some people that have been assaulted.

00:09:30.700 But all of that, you know, Kian Bexie, when he used to work for you, it hurts me to see them get –

00:09:38.200 it offends me and it hurts me because I know that they're out doing journalism and that's all they're doing.

00:09:42.960 And I do the same thing.

00:09:44.460 And I don't want to get hit with a bat or anything like that.

00:09:48.800 Now, it's a little different for newspapers, even though we do a lot of, you know, with our cameras and that now we have to.

00:09:54.840 I still am a newspaper guy.

00:09:56.600 I've always been that.

00:09:58.060 And so I kind of have a different approach.

00:10:00.300 I'm a little slower on off the mark.

00:10:02.200 I don't run in there the same way that you see the TV people do.

00:10:06.840 I walk over there.

00:10:08.200 So sometimes I miss some of the action, but I feel that I kind of do it a little slower and then maybe that helps me too.

00:10:16.100 You mentioned Navada One and for 99.9% of people watching won't know who that is.

00:10:21.920 That is a foreigner who came to Canada.

00:10:24.600 I don't know if he's a naturalized citizen here yet.

00:10:27.540 He has been really the pointy edge of the spear for an enormous number of anti-Semitic hate events.

00:10:35.280 I don't know if he's the boss of the huge street rallies.

00:10:38.500 I get the feeling that's done by people higher on the organizational chart.

00:10:42.780 But Navada One personally and some of his family members are at some of the most vicious anti-Semitic events in the city.

00:10:51.440 He's the guy outside the synagogues shouting threats at the synagogues.

00:10:56.440 He's the guy who blocked the street to a Jewish neighborhood, a residential neighborhood, because there were Jews living there.

00:11:03.960 And he talks about how it's a Zionist-infested zone.

00:11:07.660 You say you took some footage of him the other day on the anniversary of October 7th.

00:11:12.560 Let's take a look at that now and just to show our folks who Navada One is.

00:11:17.400 Like it's been peaceful here today.

00:11:18.920 What do you think, I mean, what do I think about?

00:11:24.960 Yeah, just about, because it is October 7th, so it seems...

00:11:28.840 Very significant day.

00:11:30.080 Tell me about what you're doing here today.

00:11:31.700 Well, a bunch of schools earlier today were walked out earlier today.

00:11:34.580 I'm not sure if this uncovered that.

00:11:36.100 Lots of schools around GTA and other cities also walked out today.

00:11:39.340 So October 7th is basically, for me and for many others, it's the one-year tragic anniversary of the Palestinian genocide.

00:11:49.300 And the continuing, and 76 years of continuing, ongoing occupation and oppression of the Palestinian people and their resilience.

00:11:57.520 How do you square that with the attack on, you can see the Israeli side of it.

00:12:03.320 They lost a lot of people on this day as well.

00:12:06.300 This day?

00:12:06.660 Well, the people that are here, that are supporting, that are supporting, or counter-protesting, if you will.

00:12:11.680 Well, you've got to use the wrong word.

00:12:12.900 Do you mean they lost people?

00:12:14.120 So are these Israelis or they're Canadians?

00:12:16.320 Well, I'm confused because...

00:12:17.580 You know, I'm not here to parse words.

00:12:19.100 No, no.

00:12:19.440 You know what I mean.

00:12:21.440 How do you square what happened to Israel and then obviously what your concern is?

00:12:26.220 How do I...

00:12:26.600 I just explained to you what a couple percent what it means to me and many others.

00:12:29.380 Right.

00:12:29.620 It might mean different things to different people and you're allowed to feel that way.

00:12:32.860 You asked me how I feel, what it means to me.

00:12:35.100 To me, it's a very important day.

00:12:37.280 Right.

00:12:37.580 Right.

00:12:38.620 That's the best way I can answer that.

00:12:40.800 You know, one of the things that is so appalling to me is the inversion of words.

00:12:47.540 So on October 7th, it was a massacre of men and women and children, including babies.

00:12:57.140 It was mass rape.

00:12:58.920 It was hostage taking.

00:13:01.900 There is a baby.

00:13:03.500 There are still babies.

00:13:05.100 And he flips the language and he says, October is a genocide against Palestinians.

00:13:11.420 He's not Palestinian himself, by the way.

00:13:13.020 He's Pakistani.

00:13:13.580 And the inversion of the language, the Hamas charter, which is like their bylaws, it's an

00:13:22.080 officially, explicitly anti-Semitic organization.

00:13:26.500 And to flip that around and to use the language against Israel, I mean, I don't think language

00:13:34.620 wars should be a crime.

00:13:36.100 But he actually commits criminal crimes, real crimes.

00:13:39.820 They're not huge crimes.

00:13:41.020 He hasn't murdered anyone.

00:13:42.500 But uttering threats, he's engaged in assault.

00:13:45.120 He's assaulted some of our people.

00:13:47.480 He's certainly done more than any trucker protester did during the convoy.

00:13:55.000 He's certainly done more and worse than what Tamara Leach did.

00:13:59.300 And she was jailed 49 days without bail.

00:14:02.340 I don't know.

00:14:02.860 I see him and I see someone who's come to Canada and he pretty much full time is an anti-Israel

00:14:11.180 and I would say anti-Jewish protester.

00:14:13.640 And I think it's something more, too.

00:14:15.020 I think you're right.

00:14:15.740 But I think what I showed there, what I was not necessarily trying to show, but I think

00:14:19.900 so, is that he's celebrating and dancing on the graves of those people.

00:14:23.820 That was a sneak attack.

00:14:25.600 You see people talk about it being a military attack.

00:14:28.020 It wasn't that.

00:14:28.760 It was a terror attack.

00:14:30.200 And it's still going on because there's 100 hostages that are still missing.

00:14:34.200 And he's sitting there laughing about it.

00:14:36.080 And he's trying to say to me, you know, tricking me with the words or whatever it was.

00:14:42.120 And, you know, the only thing I will say is he doesn't put on a mask because a lot of the other people were wearing masks.

00:14:49.540 I don't know if you want to play the other clip, but you can see your own David Menzies getting harassed by a guy in a mask.

00:14:56.860 And, you know, that's an interesting thing to show.

00:15:00.660 Let's take a look at that right now.

00:15:02.240 How do you think the police have done here in keeping the groups sort of separated?

00:15:07.980 Any issues?

00:15:08.740 No, no.

00:15:09.880 Except, like, some instigators like these guys.

00:15:11.960 He's been arrested a few times.

00:15:13.580 He has a criminal record.

00:15:15.300 Actually, that's not true.

00:15:15.880 So, he's known for it, to be honest.

00:15:17.600 Have you been following the SAG, the charges are dropped, no reasonable chance of prosecution?

00:15:23.000 You know something about me?

00:15:23.800 I don't have to say that by myself.

00:15:26.040 No, but you said I have a criminal record.

00:15:27.640 I'm just cracking the record.

00:15:29.100 I'll show you, I'll show you, I'll show you.

00:15:30.760 It is a terrorist style to have masks.

00:15:35.360 It's a terrorist style going back decades, perhaps centuries, to avoid identification and retribution.

00:15:43.080 Until COVID-19 came about, the only people who wore masks in society were, I guess, welders.

00:15:48.780 If it was super cold out, maybe you wore a mask skiing.

00:15:52.720 But it was bank robbers and other bandits who wore masks.

00:15:56.120 That normalized mask wearing.

00:15:57.800 And so, you see it here in Toronto and Montreal and other cities.

00:16:02.640 The worst spewers of hate and, in many cases, violence are wearing masks.

00:16:09.080 Antifa has done that for ages.

00:16:11.220 They have a phrase, black block, which means everyone's dressed the same head to toe in black.

00:16:16.720 Faces are covered to make it extremely hard for authorities to figure out who did what.

00:16:21.000 And they can shed it and then fit in with the crowd and you don't know it's them.

00:16:24.800 But a couple of observations that you'll notice from that video particularly is all the police behind there.

00:16:30.740 They're separating the 25 or so pro-Israel kind of counter protesters run or sort of led by Mayor Weinstein from Israel now.

00:16:39.660 But I think that the reason why I think the clip's interesting is that, and the earlier clip as well, Ezra, is that you've got to understand what this really is.

00:16:50.260 And what it is, is them trying to satisfy whoever funds them.

00:16:55.180 They're being funded from, and I believe from abroad, but funneled through local people.

00:17:00.760 All of that is paid for, and they've got to show to the people that are sending those checks that they're doing this stuff.

00:17:07.660 And that's why they're there, and that's why, you know, when they get on the rebel or whatever it was.

00:17:13.840 You know, it's interesting because David didn't do anything different than what I did there.

00:17:18.460 I don't have the flash, you know, with the rebel on it.

00:17:21.620 But, you know, we have to cover it and tell the public who's out there and what they have to say.

00:17:27.040 And that's what I tried to do there.

00:17:28.800 But I think I'm right that that money that funds all of that is not coming from here.

00:17:33.740 It's coming from somewhere.

00:17:34.820 Well, I think it was Global News that broke the story of 700 Iranian agents in Canada.

00:17:40.160 And that's just Iran.

00:17:42.020 Now, Iran is really the leader of these movements.

00:17:45.360 They support Hezbollah and Hamas.

00:17:49.140 It costs money to put on events.

00:17:51.000 We know that at Rebel News.

00:17:52.100 We have to crowdfund everything we do.

00:17:53.740 It's, I mean, to have all the matching signs, to have the social media publications, to get the buses.

00:18:00.840 He talked about schools having pro-Hamas walkouts.

00:18:05.600 Someone's organizing that.

00:18:06.860 Now, some of the money comes from old stock Canadians like Fred Hahn of the Canadian Union of Public Employees.

00:18:13.320 Basically, in my view, misappropriating or misdirecting funds from union dues.

00:18:20.120 That's been a problem for decades.

00:18:22.560 Union bosses going on political crusades with their members' money.

00:18:27.440 But I think the bulk of the money is foreign entities.

00:18:31.480 And why wouldn't they?

00:18:32.420 It's extremely effective.

00:18:33.780 If Iran was flying an Iranian flag and doing it in their own name, people would reflexively reject it.

00:18:41.500 But when they say, oh, no, I'm a new Canadian just like you, and I genuinely believe this, it's a form of an information operation.

00:18:50.520 It's a form of, it's a PSYOP.

00:18:52.200 It's interesting to me that these characters there, those two, but there's many others, they can move around Queens Park freely.

00:19:00.280 They're not worried about getting hurt or hit or arrested, any of that.

00:19:03.200 Where me, Joe Warmington, 40 years as a journalist, 33 at the Toronto Sun, I can't do that freely.

00:19:10.700 And obviously, present company accepted the rebel, people can't do that freely.

00:19:15.420 But in my case, you know, I was down there to cover it.

00:19:18.660 When I went over to the middle and there's a photograph that shows the shot I wanted to get.

00:19:24.140 I'm now on a territory that, you know, I need some sort of a passport from a designated security person that protects those guys.

00:19:33.540 With a walkie-talkie and all that, saying, who are you?

00:19:36.580 Where's your credit?

00:19:37.280 You're not part of this.

00:19:38.560 We saw that clip with the Ottawa police saying, you can't come in here unless you're, you know, anti-Israel and pro-Palestine.

00:19:45.300 But the truth of it is that I can go anywhere I want and I'm not bothering anybody.

00:19:50.360 I go over and take a picture and I'll be cordial with anybody, but they're not cordial back.

00:19:55.360 And in this thing, I mean, I've been punched by a police officer early on in this thing.

00:20:00.940 I've been hit with those bikes because the Antifa people put the bikes across and then they swing them around.

00:20:06.340 It's a good trick.

00:20:07.620 They hit you with a bike when you're almost 60 years old and you move out of the way from the bike.

00:20:12.420 You hurt something.

00:20:13.400 Or if they hit you, you end up with a cut on your leg or whatever.

00:20:16.280 There's no crime there.

00:20:17.240 No one minds it.

00:20:18.660 If you so much as did that to them, you would be under arrest, as you well know and your lawyers know.

00:20:23.640 So you've talked about two things.

00:20:25.520 You've talked about sort of a paramilitary fake security detail where the Antifa side, the Iran side, decides who can or can't be in a place.

00:20:34.660 They were doing that for months at the University of Toronto with their encampment.

00:20:38.340 And they had these same encampments in Vancouver, in Montreal, at McGill.

00:20:42.160 They had it in Calgary.

00:20:43.600 Pretty much every major university.

00:20:45.040 As soon as they put that fence up at the U of T, the first thing I said was now that they're going to have that there because they're going to breach that.

00:20:51.820 They're going to use that fence as a walled-in city, which is exactly what they did.

00:20:55.740 I called for it to be taken down immediately.

00:20:58.040 So now that the fence didn't work, why do you leave it up?

00:21:00.660 Yeah.

00:21:00.880 I mean, if you're really seriously, you go and say, look, we're going to take it down and you can't control it.

00:21:05.820 The reality of it is the police can't win because, you know, they're damned if they do, damned if they don't.

00:21:12.020 And obviously, they've had 100, you know, whatever, hundreds of days of protests.

00:21:17.220 But nonetheless, if I'm going to go over there and someone's going to threaten me or threaten your people, you know, the police should come over and arrest them.

00:21:28.060 I don't think I have to prove myself to anybody.

00:21:30.900 I can go to Queen's Park or City Hall or anywhere in the city of Toronto, as I have for the Toronto Sun for 33 years and cover that story.

00:21:38.480 And I'll do it professionally.

00:21:39.820 And I'm not there as a protester.

00:21:41.380 And yet, I have to go through the security check from these kind of characters.

00:21:46.640 I want to show you one of the times that David Menzies was falsely arrested.

00:21:50.800 It was at the public plaza outside Toronto City Hall.

00:21:56.000 Nathan Phillips Square is the name of it.

00:21:58.100 Nathan Phillips himself was a Jew, if I'm not mistaken.

00:22:00.240 He was the first Jewish mayor of Toronto.

00:22:03.380 So, Pierre Polyev and the conservatives were involved in a vigil for the Israeli hostages.

00:22:11.300 This was a few months after the terrorist attack.

00:22:15.060 And so, David went to cover the pro-Israel vigil.

00:22:18.940 And Nabata-1 and some of these Iran proxies were there to heckle.

00:22:23.300 And basically, remember that extreme, I think it was called the Westboro Baptist Church, whenever there were funerals for American soldiers, they would come to the funeral with insane signs saying, God hates fags.

00:22:37.380 That's what their signs would say.

00:22:39.020 Like, they would come to these funerals of ordinary soldiers with these outrageous, it was just a shocking thing when it was the Westboro Baptist Church.

00:22:49.980 Well, that's exactly what Nabata-1 and his Iranian thugs did.

00:22:53.700 They came to this vigil to counter protest.

00:22:57.200 They're hired to do it, Ezra.

00:22:59.000 And they're getting paid to do that.

00:23:00.800 Yes.

00:23:01.220 And so, David went to put a microphone to them and said, well, what are you doing?

00:23:05.940 The police swept in not to protect David or not to stop these Iranian hecklers, but they arrested David.

00:23:14.520 And you'll notice David didn't do anything.

00:23:16.240 In fact, he took a few blows.

00:23:17.200 Here's a reminder of one of David's arrests.

00:23:22.460 At a pro-Israel vigil, the police really doing the bidding of the anti-Semitic protesters.

00:23:31.580 Take a look.

00:23:39.180 Shane!

00:23:39.840 Shane!

00:23:40.260 Shane!

00:23:40.340 Shane!

00:23:40.540 Shane!

00:23:41.800 Shane!

00:23:41.920 Shane!

00:23:42.400 Shane!

00:23:42.480 Shane!

00:23:42.920 Shane!

00:23:43.480 Shane!

00:23:44.040 Shane!

00:23:44.480 Shane!

00:23:44.920 Shane!

00:23:45.040 Shane!

00:23:45.480 Shane!

00:23:46.040 Shane!

00:23:47.040 Shane!

00:23:47.740 Watch your hands, watch your hands.

00:23:49.460 Peace!

00:23:50.020 Whoa, aww.

00:23:51.500 Whoa, y

00:23:58.800 Watch your hands.

00:24:10.680 Watch your hands.

00:24:15.520 So that looks like a RoboCop movie to me.

00:24:31.240 See, I saw that at the time that day.

00:24:34.700 And I don't think the police officers should be able to cover their faces either.

00:24:38.820 And I don't think there's any reason to arrest David there.

00:24:42.520 And is that the one where he was hurt?

00:24:46.180 That's the one where they hit his head as they put him in the police car.

00:24:48.040 Yeah, when you hit somebody, when you take somebody into custody, normally when they're hurt, you know, like any kind of a jail cut, which is what that is because it went into the police van.

00:24:59.500 That's a serious thing.

00:25:00.560 It's different than cutting yourself here.

00:25:02.120 When you get cut in jail, there's hepatitis and all these kinds of things.

00:25:05.340 None of those measures were taken in this case.

00:25:07.900 The SIU wouldn't be brought in unless you were badly hurt.

00:25:11.380 But you don't know what kind of concussion somebody can get when they have their head slammed into something, which is what happened today.

00:25:18.020 But I've seen it before as well.

00:25:20.160 I'm pro-police.

00:25:21.360 I think that the police do a great job here.

00:25:24.100 But not those officers there because we don't know who they are.

00:25:27.220 I don't know if you can see their name badges and things like that.

00:25:30.220 But they've gone to trouble to kind of disguise themselves much like Antifa.

00:25:34.840 So you don't know as a member of the public exactly who they are.

00:25:37.840 They're using our police resources to, in essence, you know, kind of quell an interview or whatever.

00:25:46.060 It's really alarming that that happened.

00:25:48.640 That spot at Nathan Phillips Square, that's our spot.

00:25:52.140 That's for us.

00:25:53.840 Nathan Phillips himself was the mayor of all the people.

00:25:57.080 That's not what was happening there.

00:25:58.160 Yeah.

00:25:58.480 And I know a little bit about the law of trespass.

00:26:00.580 Because it is very powerful on private property.

00:26:04.660 If you're on private property, even a mall, a shopping mall is typically private property.

00:26:09.040 Now, they invite the public in, but they can revoke that for any reason or no reason.

00:26:14.520 It's just like if you have someone over at your house.

00:26:17.300 You can kick them out.

00:26:18.200 You don't even need a reason.

00:26:19.360 You could have a terrible reason.

00:26:20.980 The law says if it's your place, it's your place.

00:26:23.100 But being kicked off a public square, it should have a very high bar.

00:26:29.980 And just because some foreign agitators say David's bugging us, that's not enough to arrest someone, bundle them into a police van and take them to jail.

00:26:37.960 He had it happen in front of the King Edward Hotel as well.

00:26:41.180 It was the same sort of thing.

00:26:42.360 Exact same thing.

00:26:43.120 Yeah.

00:26:43.440 It's the power that the lobby has.

00:26:47.040 They're in charge.

00:26:48.160 They're in charge to a point where the Toronto Sun reporter, which is me, can't go and take a picture.

00:26:53.460 I did take it.

00:26:54.300 And I managed to negotiate my way through.

00:26:57.440 But I don't think that, you know, I've got a 12-year-old son.

00:27:00.080 I want to get home to my family.

00:27:01.840 I don't want to be arrested.

00:27:03.100 I don't want to be hurt.

00:27:04.260 Yeah.

00:27:04.480 And I don't want to have any confrontation at all.

00:27:06.960 I just want to go take my picture.

00:27:09.120 And yet they get to call the shots and that.

00:27:12.260 And then Mayor Chow and all the rest of them don't give a damn about that.

00:27:15.800 But I'll tell you, I care about it.

00:27:17.300 And I have the credentials.

00:27:20.340 You know, I'm not talking about media credentials.

00:27:22.000 I'm talking about Toronto credentials.

00:27:24.120 I'm going where I want.

00:27:25.120 You're a citizen.

00:27:26.020 You're a free man.

00:27:27.900 It's not just that the police aren't cracking down on these sort of paramilitary groups.

00:27:35.440 You know, that classic image of the police delivering Tim Horton's coffee to Navada Wen and his thugs

00:27:42.620 who were blocking a residential neighborhood because there were too many Jews living there.

00:27:48.320 Just think about that.

00:27:49.760 But I want to show you.

00:27:50.480 But there's an example.

00:27:51.460 I covered that story.

00:27:52.680 That was on the front page of The Sun.

00:27:54.880 All these stories that we have covered.

00:27:56.980 But most of the media haven't covered them.

00:27:59.080 The Toronto Sun has been outstanding, I think.

00:28:01.080 That's true.

00:28:01.320 Toronto Sun has been the best newspaper in Canada on this issue.

00:28:06.020 I think you're standing with your principles.

00:28:08.200 You know what?

00:28:08.720 If you look at the Toronto Sun from Adrian Batchelor, the editor-in-chief, to Warren Kinsella,

00:28:14.220 who has been a liberal his whole life.

00:28:17.120 But he's been really, really good on this issue.

00:28:18.980 Brian Lilly, who you would know well here at Rebel.

00:28:22.440 They've all gone at it from the point of view that we're not going to listen to all this nonsense

00:28:27.620 and we're going to cover the story.

00:28:29.240 And, you know, there's no agenda.

00:28:31.100 You just go out and cover it.

00:28:32.180 And that's what we've done.

00:28:33.200 I have to agree with you.

00:28:35.780 I want to show you.

00:28:36.700 You mentioned one thing.

00:28:37.500 I want to make sure our viewers saw it.

00:28:38.640 I think I played a clip of this the other day.

00:28:41.020 In Ottawa, I mean, Ottawa, that center block of parliament, it's actually not being used right now.

00:28:48.380 It's still under reno.

00:28:49.080 So a lot of people don't know during the trucker convoy, they were protesting outside an empty building.

00:28:53.580 No one went into that parliament.

00:28:54.920 There was no one in any building for two years before that.

00:28:57.860 That's the irony of all the people saying how horrible it was.

00:29:00.360 That's right.

00:29:00.600 I looked.

00:29:01.280 I didn't see anybody.

00:29:02.940 Nobody lives there either.

00:29:04.260 So that big lawn in front of parliament, when I was a kid, like really right out of school,

00:29:09.980 I worked for a couple of years in center block when President Manning was the leader of the reform party.

00:29:15.320 I'm dating myself now.

00:29:16.480 And right outside in the big lawn in front of center block, two or three times a day, I could see out my window, two or three times a day, there was a protest.

00:29:27.680 That is sort of protest central.

00:29:29.840 And the police are well trained.

00:29:32.320 They have all the resources they need from the SWAT team to the regular police liaisons.

00:29:37.820 And that was sort of a wonderful thing.

00:29:39.620 It was like an unofficial opposition party every day.

00:29:43.420 And you would see this side and that side.

00:29:45.700 And it was right out my window when I was working there as a kid.

00:29:48.920 You have probably more legal and constitutional and historic and customary rights on that patch of grass than maybe anywhere else in the land.

00:29:58.460 Before you showed the clip, I just wanted to share a personal note similar.

00:30:02.680 When the interest rates went to 19% when I was a teenager, I was raised by a single mom.

00:30:09.260 And we were in a position where we could lose our house.

00:30:12.500 Ironically, we're back to that again.

00:30:14.320 You know, it's not quite as stark as it was back in the 80s.

00:30:18.220 But there was a big protest at Parliament Hill.

00:30:20.940 And I went with my mom to it.

00:30:22.460 That was the first time I ever saw a protest, my sister and I.

00:30:25.800 How old were you?

00:30:26.460 I was probably about 14.

00:30:28.120 Oh, yeah.

00:30:28.780 And it, you know, it left something with me.

00:30:31.740 I remember, you know, I saw the great columnist, I think it was Charles Lynch.

00:30:35.540 Oh, yeah.

00:30:36.900 Yeah, they now named their press theater after him.

00:30:39.520 Yeah, you know, I saw him there.

00:30:41.040 I was pretty excited about that.

00:30:42.340 I didn't know I was going to be a reporter.

00:30:43.880 But, you know, I kind of approached it that way.

00:30:46.340 Not really from a protester point of view.

00:30:48.500 I remember the next day because I delivered the Ottawa Citizen.

00:30:50.720 In those days, I lived in Ottawa.

00:30:53.700 And I remember the next day on the front page looking at the story.

00:30:57.000 And, you know, because there was the thing I was at.

00:30:59.400 I thought it was so cool.

00:31:00.280 But so I know exactly what you mean.

00:31:01.920 And, you know, I wasn't protesting.

00:31:03.460 I don't think my mom was really protesting either.

00:31:05.300 She went down sort of as solidarity for the people that were kind of doing it.

00:31:10.220 So, yeah, that's the place.

00:31:11.520 And, of course, the truckers thing, which the lawn issue was part of the problem as well.

00:31:16.480 There was construction going on.

00:31:17.840 But anyway, go ahead.

00:31:18.360 Let's see this.

00:31:18.840 No, and just about a week ago, someone who was not pro-Palestinian wanted to put his feet on that grass.

00:31:30.020 And the cops first asked him, well, which side are you on?

00:31:33.380 Take a look at this insane footage.

00:31:36.220 You are not a supporter of Palestine.

00:31:53.260 You are not permitted on.

00:31:55.200 Yeah, that was before you admitted being against this cause.

00:31:58.400 You never said he was against this cause.

00:32:00.360 Yeah, you did.

00:32:01.120 You said he's not a supporter of Palestine and doesn't recognize Palestine as a state.

00:32:04.940 I didn't say that.

00:32:05.660 Do we want to rewind the video and see?

00:32:10.300 Well, there's no audio.

00:32:12.780 Oh, well, that's unfortunate.

00:32:14.400 But no.

00:32:15.400 So you said it to me.

00:32:19.020 My colleague understood.

00:32:20.320 My colleague understood.

00:32:21.180 Yeah, I said I didn't accept Palestine as a state.

00:32:23.920 That doesn't mean I'm anti-Palestinian people.

00:32:26.820 You don't recognize.

00:32:27.420 And you said you don't support Palestine.

00:32:29.460 I don't recognize Palestine as a state.

00:32:31.800 So you said if he took the suit.

00:32:34.560 You told me if I were to take your shirt off, I could come in.

00:32:38.440 Well, that was before you changed your story to I don't support Palestine and I don't recognize Palestine as a state.

00:32:44.980 Look, I'm not wearing any of these explanations for the name of Tori.

00:32:47.760 Hold on.

00:32:48.140 And I just wanted to interview you.

00:32:49.600 Hold on.

00:32:50.580 Then at the end, right before I left, I said you are not to go on this side.

00:32:55.120 Right?

00:32:55.660 No, you said I'm not going to go on this side.

00:32:57.960 That was before?

00:32:58.580 Incringed on free speech.

00:33:00.140 Then, after.

00:33:00.800 No, I'm not.

00:33:01.620 Yeah, it was very tyrannical.

00:33:04.180 You can believe that if you wish.

00:33:05.880 Oh, it is.

00:33:06.220 You want to come up on the road?

00:33:07.120 Other side.

00:33:08.280 Yeah, what do you think of that?

00:33:09.760 Well, that's how they do it in Iran.

00:33:11.460 That's exactly how they do it there in North Korea and in China.

00:33:14.680 You can't do that way the police work for the government.

00:33:17.700 They don't work, you know, you mentioned in Davos how you could do all those interviews.

00:33:21.320 But, you know, that's kind of the muscle that's used there.

00:33:26.140 And the Ottawa police are really politicized.

00:33:29.320 I mean, we saw that so many times.

00:33:32.100 I mean, I'm still talking about the police trampling.

00:33:35.420 I did that story for the Toronto Sun.

00:33:38.060 And it wasn't even up for more than half an hour when all the phone calls were going to all the executives.

00:33:42.820 And that's saying, that's not a trampling.

00:33:44.300 That's not a trampling.

00:33:46.260 And I kept looking at it going, yeah, it's a trampling.

00:33:48.680 Yeah.

00:33:48.860 And I said to my editors, it's a trampling.

00:33:52.320 We got to tell the truth.

00:33:53.660 You can't sugarcoat what it was.

00:33:56.480 Now, there's still one guy missing in that, too.

00:33:58.560 I've never, ever been able to find out what happened.

00:34:00.640 And I've watched the video closely.

00:34:03.640 My old friend Ross McLean is the old cop there.

00:34:06.800 He really studied it.

00:34:08.800 And it looks like the horse landed right center of mass there.

00:34:12.560 If not, it was very close.

00:34:15.160 And there was, you know, what I'm getting at is I don't know what happened to that person.

00:34:19.720 I know there was an ambulance call around the same time.

00:34:22.680 And we've never been able to find it.

00:34:24.040 It must have been a police officer, I figure, undercover.

00:34:26.860 And it's no one's business.

00:34:28.840 And maybe they just wanted to get out of there, whether hurt or not hurt, and just kind of transition back into the real world.

00:34:35.400 I assume that.

00:34:36.800 I believe that.

00:34:37.940 But you notice how that's never happened.

00:34:39.660 Now, in this case here with this clip, I'm anxious to see what you have to say.

00:34:42.800 But I'm not comfortable with it because it's irrelevant what a police officer thinks, what I'm doing there.

00:34:50.080 Yeah.

00:34:50.180 I mean, you know, in my case, what happened was, you know, I was down the very, you know, it was October 8th or so.

00:34:58.080 And I went and I was videoing the thing.

00:35:00.280 And there's all kinds of people breaking a lot of rules.

00:35:01.920 Israel hadn't done anything in response.

00:35:03.960 So there's no excuse.

00:35:05.480 Oh, the celebrations from the Navidad Ones and the other anti-Semites started when they saw the horrific terrorism.

00:35:14.160 You're right.

00:35:14.820 Israel did not respond for days or even weeks in a substantive way.

00:35:18.860 Right. And I was taking a video of this, a young employer, and I didn't see anything, anybody.

00:35:25.260 And you'll see in the clip where somebody comes, it's a police officer, and he hits me really right here, pretty hard.

00:35:31.380 Is there footage of that?

00:35:32.520 I have footage of it, which, yeah, we can show the footage of that.

00:35:35.520 And it concerned me because, I mean, I was startled by it.

00:35:40.160 Because all the police officers, a lot of them know me.

00:35:42.380 Yeah.

00:35:42.600 They know what I was doing.

00:35:43.540 But what bothered me was that I was the guy that was getting harassed by the police.

00:35:49.060 Everybody else there was breaking the law.

00:35:50.780 They were up on the building.

00:35:52.040 They were putting up Roman candles, all these things.

00:35:55.880 But the one guy that was, you know, and it worked out okay.

00:35:58.440 They left me alone.

00:35:59.560 I don't know why the guy did it.

00:36:01.240 And I didn't pursue it.

00:36:02.340 And I'm not going to pursue it.

00:36:03.440 And, you know, stuff happens out there.

00:36:05.960 But, you know, I'm not upset about it now.

00:36:08.840 I was for a couple of minutes because I was kind of hurt.

00:36:11.600 You know, it hurts when you get hit there.

00:36:13.060 Oh, sure.

00:36:24.280 Don't touch me.

00:36:25.200 Don't touch me.

00:36:26.300 No, you don't touch me.

00:36:27.420 Don't ever touch me.

00:36:28.760 I'm Joe Warming from the Carlos Center.

00:36:30.220 I'm going to stand here.

00:36:31.120 If you touch me again, on the sidewalk, you can do it.

00:36:34.200 No, no, I'm fine.

00:36:34.460 I'm fine.

00:36:34.900 I'm doing my job.

00:36:35.980 Just leave me alone.

00:36:37.040 Do your job.

00:36:38.400 On the sidewalk.

00:36:39.740 You know, Joe, I have an interest in this because I've followed the Middle East for a long time, just out of interest.

00:36:46.920 I'm also Jewish, and I've been to Israel, and I'm pro-Israel.

00:36:50.880 So sometimes I think, well, am I just concerned about this because I'm a Jew?

00:36:55.280 And I think, no, I think I would be concerned if there was another group that was being targeted with weekly hate marches so thinly veiled.

00:37:05.480 Like when they say there is only one solution, intifada revolution.

00:37:10.460 Intifada is an Arabic word meaning a riot.

00:37:13.260 And when they say from the river to the sea, Israel will be free, and there are various versions of that in English and Arabic, they're talking about ethnically cleansing every Jew from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea.

00:37:24.940 They try and, some of them try and disguise their language by talking about Zionists instead of Jews.

00:37:32.420 Yeah, yeah, that's the.

00:37:34.040 But to me, that would be like saying, oh, I don't hate Italians.

00:37:37.820 I just hate Italy.

00:37:39.900 Well, Italians, like, or I don't hate the French people.

00:37:43.760 I just hate France and everything to do with France and not all French people like France.

00:37:48.680 That's an insane thing to say.

00:37:50.580 Like Zion is, it's a place.

00:37:52.760 It's part of the Bible.

00:37:54.080 It's sort of the ancestral home of the Jewish people.

00:37:59.140 So these are little fig leaves.

00:38:01.180 So what would I say if there was this hatred towards another?

00:38:05.500 And I don't need to be crazy and say hatreds towards Italians.

00:38:10.160 But what if they went after blacks this way and say, oh, I don't hate black people.

00:38:13.960 Well, I mean, any group, blacks or gays.

00:38:17.460 I would like to think I would be on the side of the people being beat up.

00:38:20.520 But, you know, but the fact that you're Jewish and that, you know, you're sort of wrestling with that, you're allowed to feel however you want to feel.

00:38:28.600 And we're going to talk about the Mayor Chow thing in a moment.

00:38:31.080 But that's part of who you are.

00:38:33.940 And you would be right.

00:38:35.720 Now, the fact that, you know, non-Jewish people are offended, whether it's myself or Warren Kinsella or Brian Lilly, et cetera, is because we are people that cover Canada.

00:38:46.940 And that's happening.

00:38:47.720 If that was Muslims that were being treated like that, we would be there.

00:38:51.360 You would be there.

00:38:52.320 Yeah.

00:38:52.700 We have Muslims in our company.

00:38:54.500 And if someone were just to go to their mosques and shout all day at them or go to their schools or vandalize or shoot, I went to that Jewish school, the base Chayamushka school, where mass people in the morning shot at it, where they tried to burn things down.

00:39:12.840 That's it's outrageous.

00:39:15.220 Well, the MP doesn't show up to it.

00:39:17.660 And then I saw your clip dealing with the Attorney General, I think there's somebody important like that.

00:39:23.520 Let me play that, if I may.

00:39:25.160 So this is Michael Kersner.

00:39:27.280 He's a Jew.

00:39:28.480 And he's a proud Jew, he says, and I don't doubt him.

00:39:32.140 But his job as Solicitor General, he's the minister in charge of all police in Ontario, which means basically he's not going to get in and say, arrest that guy, arrest that guy.

00:39:41.680 But he can say, OK, we're going to uphold the law.

00:39:43.660 Well, by the way, there happens to be a law against harassing a church or synagogue or mosque.

00:39:49.320 It's disturbing a religion.

00:39:51.820 I don't have the exact wording in my head, but there's a special criminal code provision against harassing churches and synagogues and mosques.

00:39:57.740 And there was like an eight hour protest outside a Jewish synagogue in North in Thornhill that had nothing to do with this war.

00:40:06.180 It's just a synagogue.

00:40:07.020 And so I asked Kersner, why are your police standing by?

00:40:11.920 Why don't we see some of that trucker convoy style policing?

00:40:16.180 And I pressed him on about three times.

00:40:18.500 And let me just show the clip.

00:40:19.560 I was so disappointed in his answer.

00:40:21.280 Take a look.

00:40:22.500 Do you need to see it again or do you remember what he said?

00:40:24.100 So he's basically saying, oh, I'm a good Jew and I wear a yarmulke and every week I protest.

00:40:28.500 Those are all private acts.

00:40:29.940 I'm looking for I would rather I don't care the race or religion of the minister in charge of police.

00:40:35.140 I just want him to have the police do some policing.

00:40:37.200 He's obviously scared.

00:40:38.580 Well, scared.

00:40:39.820 Let me just finish.

00:40:40.440 I'm scared either of a violent reaction by these Hamas mobs.

00:40:45.120 And that's a fair enough thing.

00:40:46.600 Or he's scared about political.

00:40:48.200 His boss saying, hey, there's a lot of Muslims in Ontario now, four times as many as there are Jews.

00:40:54.540 We need to win elections.

00:40:55.860 So just hush now and just tell everybody about your yarmulke.

00:40:59.820 How come there were no charges under Section 176 to the criminal code besetting a house of worship when all those protesters were outside the Bayad synagogue in Thornhill?

00:41:10.760 Well, that's a question that you're going to have to ask the York Regional Police or the Attorney General.

00:41:15.540 I'm here because I'm not going to see my community intimidated.

00:41:19.740 I speak out all the time in support of our Jewish community.

00:41:23.560 I'm not afraid to wear my kippah.

00:41:25.280 I'm not afraid to go to synagogue every Sabbath, every Shabbat.

00:41:30.060 And I'm going to do everything that I can to stand up for our inherent right to live safely in our own homes and communities.

00:41:37.080 And I'm not going to stop.

00:41:38.280 Everything's short of prosecuting them, though, right?

00:41:40.260 I mean, the U of T remains encamped with an illegal encampment.

00:41:44.500 And you're very good on Twitter.

00:41:45.900 But have you actually done any prosecutions?

00:41:48.760 Well, again, this is something that you have to speak to the Attorney General.

00:41:51.880 He's your colleague.

00:41:52.600 You're in the government.

00:41:53.260 Why should I?

00:41:54.120 You're on the inside.

00:41:55.320 No, what I can tell you is I'm working every day.

00:41:58.620 You're tweeting every day.

00:41:59.440 That our legislation, that our regulations are adhered to.

00:42:03.460 I'm standing up with my community.

00:42:05.660 I've been 34 weeks, almost every single week, to the rally of Bathurst and Shepherd in support of remembering the hostages who have been held against their will in captivity in Gaza.

00:42:17.640 And it's not acceptable.

00:42:19.060 And that's exactly why.

00:42:21.440 It obviously is acceptable since you're not prosecuting it.

00:42:24.260 You have condoned it.

00:42:25.220 You've created a new normal where people can engage in low-level, permanent, anti-Semitic crimes, assault, threats, mischief, because you guys don't prosecute.

00:42:36.280 But there you are on Twitter, though, so congrats for that.

00:42:38.600 It's important that the Jewish community sees a person from their own community in the Ontario legislature standing up against hate every single day, who has the support of a premier who has called it out.

00:42:51.920 Where are the other levels of government today who exercise the same voice that Premier Ford does, that we will not accept anti-Semitism?

00:43:02.180 We have accepted it.

00:43:03.600 We have not.

00:43:04.240 Where's the prosecution?

00:43:05.160 Again, this is something you could ask Minister Verrani.

00:43:09.200 You can ask the prime minister.

00:43:11.120 The province.

00:43:11.840 The province prosecutes.

00:43:13.380 The province prosecutes.

00:43:15.040 Better save your boss.

00:43:16.300 That's what I was going to say, was that he's doing the political calculation, but the job of Solicitor General belongs to us.

00:43:22.920 And we've given him, you know, the province, the freedom has given him that job.

00:43:26.720 It's a daunting task because he's supposed to keep us safe.

00:43:30.660 And you questioned him.

00:43:31.960 No, I give him credit for at least hanging in there and doing the interview with you.

00:43:35.660 I think he was surprised.

00:43:36.660 He didn't want to know who it was.

00:43:37.920 Right.

00:43:38.180 But he still did it.

00:43:39.320 And he hung in there.

00:43:40.640 And, you know, but I do agree with you that because it's not just that one incident.

00:43:46.420 It's been a whole year's worth of things.

00:43:48.040 You know, there would be a lot of rules put in place if it was something else.

00:43:53.480 I mean, and so, you know, you called him out on it.

00:43:55.660 He didn't like it.

00:43:56.880 I think the style of journalism that you do kind of is what we talked about originally when I was at the briar, which is it's not controlled when you go straight at the people.

00:44:08.000 There's no media people in the middle, no appointments.

00:44:10.800 And he has no briefing notes.

00:44:12.480 He's just got to think on his feet and you put him on the spot and you do that well.

00:44:17.880 But at the same time, that is a person there.

00:44:20.560 He is elected.

00:44:21.120 And sometimes it's important to remember that, to not forget that, that it is difficult and to sort of win the point, win the argument as opposed to scoring the point.

00:44:37.740 You know what I mean?

00:44:38.320 And I'm not suggesting you didn't win the argument or not score a point.

00:44:42.680 But you want to get it so that things are done properly and the pressure they've, you know, I learned this from Bob McDonald and Peter Worthington as I worked at the Toronto Sun so long.

00:44:52.700 Those guys were the legends that started the paper.

00:44:55.560 And they both told me that nothing is more powerful than putting heat on a politician.

00:45:01.800 When they feel the heat, and that's what you were bringing there, and from that is change.

00:45:08.540 And the other side understands that, too.

00:45:10.420 They put the heat on and say, look, like a guy like Mohammed Fakir, you know, is a good example.

00:45:15.980 Yeah.

00:45:16.380 You know, like he's all Trudeau all the time, and now he's turned on Trudeau.

00:45:19.840 Yeah.

00:45:20.440 And so that's what they do.

00:45:21.740 And we have to kind of counterbalance that.

00:45:24.260 You know, I think, let me give you two counterexamples of policing.

00:45:30.840 About a couple months ago in the U.K., there were some riots with a racial tinge to them.

00:45:37.180 And the prime minister there, Sir Keir Starmer, who used to be the chief prosecutor for all of the U.K., he said, if you tweeted anything, you're going to jail.

00:45:50.600 And he set up 24-hour, like he just immediately set up 24-hour-a-day courts where they just put the cases through by the hundred.

00:45:59.480 They tweeted pictures.

00:46:01.060 They went through social media.

00:46:02.580 Even like, and they boasted about who they were jailing.

00:46:05.800 They made a big fuss about it.

00:46:07.060 And for the most insane things, someone was jailed for gesticulating.

00:46:11.740 Someone was jailed for shouting at a police dog.

00:46:13.940 It's a police state.

00:46:14.400 You're describing a police state.

00:46:15.860 It's Huxley's.

00:46:17.080 It was shocking.

00:46:17.880 Hundreds of people, just for sharing images of it, one guy said to the cops, you're not even British anymore.

00:46:25.420 Jail.

00:46:26.440 I mean, these are real examples.

00:46:28.600 And hundreds of people jailed.

00:46:31.080 The legal system was put into overdrive.

00:46:33.220 Everyone's scared.

00:46:34.960 I don't agree with that, by the way.

00:46:36.480 But that's what was done to blunt a political movement that burst into riot here and there.

00:46:43.380 And I think back at two generations ago when black students were being integrated in the school system in the U.S. South.

00:46:51.240 And the National Guard literally escorted those black kids to school.

00:46:56.180 So there have been times when the authorities said, we're not going to be deterred by street toughs.

00:47:05.320 And you can agree or disagree with either of those examples.

00:47:09.320 That could be – that's how they do it in Dubai.

00:47:12.400 There have been no hate marches in Dubai.

00:47:14.580 Some guy shouted some pro-Hamas thing at a graduation, kicked out of the country or jailed.

00:47:20.380 Like, Dubai is more friendly – it's safer for Jews in Dubai than in Toronto.

00:47:28.160 No, there are Jewish synagogues in Dubai.

00:47:30.080 I've seen them.

00:47:31.060 They're not vandalized.

00:47:32.240 They're not protested with hate marches.

00:47:35.540 It's – I think it's a lack of political will because everyone's afraid.

00:47:40.020 And every single day, thousands more migrants come to Canada.

00:47:44.940 We've had two million people come to Canada in the last year.

00:47:48.340 It's a staggering number.

00:47:49.260 People don't believe it.

00:47:50.060 There's one million people here on student visas for those fake diploma mills.

00:47:55.200 750,000 temporary foreign workers.

00:47:57.880 Then there's the official immigrants.

00:48:00.380 And then there's the refugees.

00:48:02.360 And don't forget the Rocks and Road, which you covered.

00:48:04.380 Yeah.

00:48:04.600 I don't know.

00:48:04.920 How many came across there?

00:48:06.300 So two million people a year.

00:48:09.600 And are 15 or 20% of them from countries that are inherently endemically anti-Semitic?

00:48:16.860 Absolutely.

00:48:17.520 We're bringing people in from Gaza for that.

00:48:18.980 When you go to the voting booth, they don't ask you for Canadian citizenship.

00:48:24.860 So there's an opportunity just to go, if you're on the list, to vote.

00:48:31.820 And I think that we'll have to keep an eye on that because a lot of people think that Pierre

00:48:37.540 Polyev is going to form this government.

00:48:39.420 It's going to be easy because the polls say that.

00:48:41.400 But if it's two million, like you say, a year, and we still got a year and even more than

00:48:46.960 that, if they want to, they can stretch this to 2026.

00:48:50.280 Yeah.

00:48:50.880 I mean, it could be four million people.

00:48:53.240 Yeah.

00:48:53.400 So don't think they know what they're doing.

00:48:57.520 They're bringing in people as a power base.

00:49:00.340 And it's, you know, it's working.

00:49:02.620 I mean, obviously, when you see what we're seeing here now, when people actually celebrate

00:49:08.660 October 7th, the slaughter.

00:49:10.180 It would be like celebrating 9-11.

00:49:13.320 Or, you know, Pearl Harbor.

00:49:16.300 Yeah.

00:49:16.400 You don't see the Japanese out celebrating Pearl Harbor.

00:49:18.860 Yeah.

00:49:19.040 And if you did, there would be people upset about it.

00:49:22.180 Look, we all know what it is.

00:49:24.760 And it's interesting that the Solicitor General and all the law enforcement and most of the

00:49:29.280 politicians, they're just too afraid of it.

00:49:31.660 Yeah.

00:49:31.880 And so only the rebel, really.

00:49:33.460 I mean, I want to pay you a compliment because I think that, you know, whether it's the truckers

00:49:40.020 thing or all the different things you do, the public knows you're going to be there.

00:49:44.700 They know you're going to travel to wherever it is, whether it's the Tommy Robinson stuff

00:49:49.100 or whatever it is.

00:49:50.980 And that's why you have, I don't know what your subscriptions are like, but it's double

00:49:54.940 what a lot of the media is because they've kind of washed their hands of it.

00:50:00.040 They're not doing it anymore.

00:50:01.060 And you've picked up that vibe and they've stopped you.

00:50:05.060 I mean, if it wasn't for all that monetization on YouTube and all that stuff, you would have

00:50:09.740 a CTV style studio.

00:50:11.160 You know, YouTube cutting us off, cut off a million dollars a year.

00:50:15.800 You can hire a lot of staff for a million bucks.

00:50:17.680 You can do a lot of things.

00:50:19.080 Hey, I want to talk about just a few days ago, the anniversary of October 7th.

00:50:24.940 There was this large Jewish community in Toronto, probably about 200,000.

00:50:29.500 There's a little under 100,000 in Montreal.

00:50:32.100 And then there's a smattering in other places.

00:50:34.720 So Toronto has really been one of the toughest battlegrounds.

00:50:38.880 It used to be such a Jewish city.

00:50:40.220 Jews were so comfy here, Jewish mayors, Jewish leaders of industry.

00:50:44.120 And now the Jews are on the back foot.

00:50:46.900 This vigil on Monday at the anniversary, yes, it was mainly about Israel, but it was also

00:50:53.140 about what's happening here in Canada.

00:50:55.540 And Premier Doug Ford, to his credit, showed up.

00:50:59.200 There's an independent MP from Toronto named Kevin Vuong, who I understand is ethnically

00:51:03.780 Vietnamese, if I'm not mistaken.

00:51:05.180 And he's been against this anti-Semitic crime wave.

00:51:08.540 He's been a star.

00:51:09.960 He's very impressive.

00:51:11.120 And he has no skin in the game, so to speak.

00:51:13.460 He's not a Jew.

00:51:14.220 In fact, his writing has got a lot of Muslim vote.

00:51:16.880 He's probably going to lose his writing just for that alone.

00:51:19.600 If he's an independent, it would be already an uphill battle.

00:51:22.400 But he didn't do that calculus that we mentioned before.

00:51:24.800 He knows what's right.

00:51:25.840 Oh, by the way, I don't know if you saw this the other day, Melanie Jolie, in a private

00:51:30.560 conversation with, I think it was Thomas Mulcair, said, have you looked at the demographics

00:51:35.060 of my district?

00:51:37.060 Like, basically, the foreign minister for all of Canada was suggesting she makes her

00:51:41.200 decisions not based on Canada's interests, but what some little neighborhoods in her own

00:51:46.520 district have to say.

00:51:47.240 Just astonishing.

00:51:47.920 So, Monday was this anniversary, and I think there were 10,000 to 20,000 people there.

00:51:55.460 I couldn't tell.

00:51:56.260 I think I heard a lot of people came and left, and then more people came, because I was a

00:52:02.880 little late.

00:52:03.440 I saw people leaving, and then waves of people.

00:52:05.940 So, I think it's over 20,000.

00:52:07.880 It was very big, and there was high security.

00:52:11.460 There were SWAT teams there.

00:52:12.660 Yeah, I've got some pictures of that, which we'll show.

00:52:15.440 We'll show some of that.

00:52:15.980 We've got police drones, police helicopters, sniffer dogs, metal detectors.

00:52:22.080 We couldn't even bring in a selfie stick, and that's what it's like to be a Jew in Toronto

00:52:27.980 on October 7th anniversary.

00:52:32.400 I can understand now why the prime minister wasn't there, because he was in another event

00:52:36.020 in Ottawa.

00:52:36.680 Fair play.

00:52:37.280 He's prime minister for the whole country.

00:52:39.460 He doesn't have to be Toronto-centric.

00:52:41.440 The premier was there.

00:52:42.680 Okay, good.

00:52:44.000 But where was the mayor, Olivia Chow?

00:52:48.260 Her city is not just part of a regular crime wave, but an anti-Semitic crime wave.

00:52:54.680 She goes to every community thing, because she's not really focused on policy and ideas.

00:53:03.260 She likes the party scene.

00:53:04.440 She goes to everything.

00:53:06.800 She dresses up like the people, like the carabana.

00:53:09.780 Oh, yeah.

00:53:10.360 I mean, that stuff.

00:53:10.920 It takes four hours to put that on.

00:53:12.300 She'll wear a hijab to events.

00:53:15.580 Yeah.

00:53:15.840 So it's like getting to events is not her issue, except for this one.

00:53:19.660 Yeah.

00:53:19.960 And why don't you tell us the story?

00:53:21.180 Because you broke the story.

00:53:22.520 You were there, and thank God they had no political speeches.

00:53:26.980 No politicians were giving speeches.

00:53:28.540 But you could see who the politicians were, Kevin Wong and the premier.

00:53:32.900 And tell us the story.

00:53:35.740 Well, why wasn't the mayor there?

00:53:37.780 It started on my way there.

00:53:39.380 I was actually watching your live feed on my phone, and you had mentioned that Trudeau wasn't there,

00:53:47.620 and you had mentioned that you hadn't seen Olivia Chow.

00:53:50.040 That doesn't mean that she's not there, but it was certainly something that entered my mind,

00:53:53.900 because I'm a Toronto columnist.

00:53:55.960 Yeah.

00:53:56.060 That's what I am.

00:53:56.840 Yeah.

00:53:57.280 And I don't cover Trudeau unless it's some reason to.

00:53:59.980 I cover him here or there.

00:54:01.080 But so I went there.

00:54:02.840 I had a look.

00:54:03.360 I saw John Tory there.

00:54:04.540 I didn't get into the mosh pit.

00:54:06.820 I mean, I was what I could tell, though.

00:54:08.400 But I sent an email.

00:54:10.280 I'm doing my job to the mayor's office and said, were you there?

00:54:13.860 If not, I didn't see you there, and I've talked to some people.

00:54:16.900 Nobody saw you there.

00:54:19.100 Can you let me know?

00:54:20.040 That's at 10 o'clock on the night of the 7th, still on the 7th.

00:54:24.500 7 a.m., I now know she wasn't there because I reached out to James Pasternak,

00:54:29.140 the tremendous counselor for a long time, and he's Jewish himself,

00:54:33.420 and Brad Bradford, another outstanding counselor, ran for mayor against Chow.

00:54:38.400 They said that she wasn't in the tent.

00:54:40.300 As far as they know, they don't think she was there.

00:54:42.360 And Pasternak told me that he had asked her if she was going to go there,

00:54:46.860 and I put that in the story.

00:54:47.900 I mention this because it's important for what happens later.

00:54:50.920 I wrote the story.

00:54:52.480 I reached out to the mayor's office.

00:54:54.600 They didn't get back to me right away.

00:54:56.700 I posted the story.

00:54:57.820 It was up there for many hours about how she wasn't there and the reaction to it

00:55:02.560 and the concerns that people had with it and my own concerns with it.

00:55:07.520 It was not a damning report.

00:55:10.000 It was all factual.

00:55:11.180 This is something.

00:55:12.640 I get a call on the 8th, around 3 in the afternoon,

00:55:17.960 from somebody named Ariane Robinson, who's her media person.

00:55:23.680 That's who I deal with when I need things from the mayor.

00:55:26.880 Never had an issue with her before.

00:55:30.160 And her first reaction was, this is hours after.

00:55:35.160 She didn't even know.

00:55:35.740 I don't know if she knew my piece was published or not,

00:55:38.220 but she said, we didn't get an invitation.

00:55:41.180 And I said, okay, you didn't get an invitation.

00:55:43.500 So what are you saying?

00:55:44.580 And what she was trying to say was the mayor wasn't invited.

00:55:47.960 And actually, this is on UJA now.

00:55:50.380 That's the Jewish group that was organized.

00:55:52.160 Yeah, United Jewish Appeal Federation and SEJA, which is Center for...

00:55:58.060 Israel and Jewish Affairs.

00:55:59.200 I think another pro-Israel line.

00:56:00.160 We deal with them as reporters and deal with B'nai B'rith and all that stuff.

00:56:04.980 The last year, I've got to know everybody dealing with all that.

00:56:08.420 They're tremendous to deal with.

00:56:10.280 But she said all that about them.

00:56:13.280 And I said, well, that is a big story.

00:56:15.360 She said, oh, it's a very, very big story.

00:56:18.020 So the mayor's spokesman is saying it's a big story that we were snubbed.

00:56:22.500 It's a big story that they didn't want the mayor living in jail.

00:56:24.560 That's how I took it.

00:56:25.460 And that's what she said.

00:56:26.340 Yeah.

00:56:27.060 So right away, as soon as I get off, as I said, do you want me to go into that story right now?

00:56:32.380 Because I'll do it.

00:56:33.360 And I'll put in that the mayor was actually the one snubbed.

00:56:37.400 Send me over the information of what you have on that.

00:56:40.760 Get me the mayor.

00:56:41.760 Get a quote from the mayor saying that in writing, not just us talking.

00:56:47.080 And I'll stick it in the story right away.

00:56:49.580 Well, and I said, right away, when you hear the well, I said, well, you go to work and you do that.

00:56:54.380 Boom.

00:56:54.740 Off the phone.

00:56:55.440 Next call is to UJA.

00:56:57.500 And I talked to someone over there named Michelle Stock.

00:57:00.260 I remember the name from she works in, you know, she's been around a while.

00:57:03.580 She does a great job.

00:57:05.160 And I said, the mayor's office says that you did not invite the mayor to this thing.

00:57:10.760 So I'm doing my job.

00:57:11.740 Put her on.

00:57:12.720 Yeah.

00:57:13.240 You answer that.

00:57:14.620 She says, well, we invited her.

00:57:16.960 I said, do you have some proof of that?

00:57:18.780 You know, I went to journalism school.

00:57:21.060 Yeah.

00:57:21.580 And she said, yeah.

00:57:22.860 I said, can you send me that?

00:57:24.740 I'm glad I said it right away because she'd sent it to me.

00:57:28.040 She didn't have time.

00:57:28.640 She's a vice president.

00:57:30.060 But, you know, sometimes organizations, I don't know what they're going to do.

00:57:33.580 They've been outstanding, but you don't know.

00:57:35.520 They might just say, look, let's not stir this up.

00:57:38.500 Right.

00:57:39.040 Let's just take this one and get on.

00:57:40.800 No, no, she sent me that, and I have it, and it's right to the scheduler for the mayor,

00:57:45.520 the email.

00:57:46.420 And it says, we haven't heard from you on three other occasions.

00:57:50.300 It's not one invitation, Ezra.

00:57:52.220 Not two, not three.

00:57:53.760 Four.

00:57:54.020 So she's boycotting the event.

00:57:56.560 You know what?

00:57:58.400 They're still doubling it.

00:57:59.640 Boycotting it and lying about it.

00:58:01.020 That's the way that.

00:58:01.840 And claiming she's the victim, that she's the one being snubbed.

00:58:04.340 This would be like someone refusing to go to a 9-11 memorial and blaming the families

00:58:10.760 or something for leaving her out.

00:58:11.940 Let me ask you a question, and I'll answer the question that I'm going to ask as well.

00:58:16.800 Did you get an invitation to go to that event?

00:58:19.060 No, of course not.

00:58:19.960 I just saw about it on social media.

00:58:21.680 You kind of thought that they might have that, and you thought, I'm going to go to that event.

00:58:25.720 Yeah.

00:58:26.400 I went there out of support for the Jewish community, and the last year, all the people

00:58:31.840 I've got to know because of this, and I also went to cover it.

00:58:35.200 Yeah.

00:58:35.660 Both.

00:58:36.200 I think you did the same.

00:58:37.280 Yeah.

00:58:37.440 I think most normal people went there.

00:58:40.220 John Tory, the former mayor, was there.

00:58:42.640 You know, he's not the mayor anymore.

00:58:44.000 He didn't get an invitation.

00:58:45.240 Right.

00:58:45.860 He knew it was there.

00:58:46.680 You know who was there?

00:58:47.320 The mayor of Vaughn, Stephen Del Duca.

00:58:48.980 Right, right.

00:58:49.500 I saw him.

00:58:49.860 What's he doing there?

00:58:50.720 Yeah.

00:58:50.860 And why he's there?

00:58:51.800 Because he cares about it, and that's why everybody was there.

00:58:54.900 I mean, Marco Mendicino was there, and I think Melissa Lansman was there.

00:58:57.740 Maybe she was the one in Ottawa.

00:58:58.840 I'm not sure if she was there or not.

00:59:00.640 Did you see Melissa Lansman?

00:59:01.640 I can't remember.

00:59:02.340 She probably was at the one in Ottawa because she's a deputy leader.

00:59:05.040 But nonetheless, Bonnie Crombie was there.

00:59:07.820 All stripes, all eyes.

00:59:09.140 She has a very large Muslim population, by the way, but she came to this event.

00:59:12.640 Good for her.

00:59:13.260 Yeah.

00:59:13.560 So then, you know, I go back, and when she called me back, Arianne called me back, and

00:59:20.940 she's saying, they're going for this, that there was a computer malfunction of some kind,

00:59:26.560 and they're really pushing for it.

00:59:27.860 And I said to her, well, James Pasternak told me that he told the mayor.

00:59:32.740 And I'm almost like, are you sure you want to do this?

00:59:35.580 Because I'm almost trying to help her, because I'm surprised by this thing.

00:59:42.300 And she says, well, did you have that in the story?

00:59:44.700 And I said, I think so, but I don't remember.

00:59:46.540 So I quickly looked, and I said, it's in the story that he said it.

00:59:49.840 And they still went forward with it.

00:59:52.140 And so now I'm kind of offended, because I'm thinking, you know, I'm not really big on

00:59:57.040 putting lies that I know are wrong, that I know are spent.

01:00:00.520 But I guess what I was supposed to do was just take her at her word and put it in there.

01:00:05.880 The problem was that it wasn't true.

01:00:07.680 The reason I mentioned all that is because the next day, it's still happening, where now

01:00:12.140 they're still doubling down on it.

01:00:13.960 The mayor finally, under all those pressures, said, she's sorry.

01:00:17.780 But she's not sorry to the, you know, for missing it, you know, sorry to the Jewish community

01:00:23.940 for missing it.

01:00:25.200 She's sorry that she couldn't get there because of the communications issues, and that she's

01:00:30.720 worked that out with CJ and UGA, and they'll be a little bit better at it next time.

01:00:35.940 Now, they have never heard from her.

01:00:37.380 I mean, I've asked them that question, too.

01:00:39.200 And I said to people that I work with, it's the same strategy that they use the first time,

01:00:45.240 which is just put out what they want it to be.

01:00:47.600 There's no receipts to back it up.

01:00:49.820 But the mayor said she's sorry.

01:00:51.620 And if you look at the Sun's front page, it, you know, it covers it.

01:00:56.080 It says, you know, it's a sorry state here.

01:01:00.080 You know, I was there, and I didn't really report on anything from the stage because there

01:01:05.800 were some victims who gave a very compelling.

01:01:09.400 There's a pregnant lady who was caught in this October 7th attack.

01:01:14.660 Her testimony was shocking, and her husband was wounded, and he thought he was going to

01:01:20.160 die, and they're communicating, don't you die on me.

01:01:22.500 It was actually a very powerful story.

01:01:24.640 But I didn't cover those because I was there for the political angle.

01:01:27.360 So what I did is I did what we call streeters, just talking to random people.

01:01:31.060 We put together a video.

01:01:32.900 And to me, there's only one possible way to stop us from getting worse.

01:01:38.560 You're not going to change the mind of that mob, Navadawan, the paid provocateurs, or people

01:01:46.940 who aren't really that active, but they come from a place where hating Jews is normal.

01:01:51.520 In fact, it's government policy.

01:01:52.760 Antifa.

01:01:53.260 Yeah, Antifa.

01:01:53.980 Absolutely.

01:01:54.460 To me, the only way to stop us from getting worse.

01:01:59.920 Coupie.

01:02:00.720 Sorry.

01:02:01.200 Yeah, no, you're right.

01:02:02.160 I mean, you can have a Holocaust education day in school.

01:02:05.900 It's not going to make a difference.

01:02:06.900 In fact, all they'll do is say, yeah, and now the Jews are doing that to the Muslims.

01:02:10.600 The only way to stop this, in my view, is to stop out-of-control immigration from people

01:02:17.240 who have un-Canadian ideas like anti-Semitism, hate, violent solutions to problems.

01:02:24.240 If you don't turn off the tap, the fear that has stopped the police is fear of the violent

01:02:30.680 mob, but mainly fear of their political bosses.

01:02:33.740 Michael Kirshner knows that he is sleeping at the switch, and he's doing it because if he

01:02:39.560 were to enforce the law, there would be a thousand Mohammed Fakis saying, this is Islamophobia.

01:02:45.600 You've got to let us have our hate marches.

01:02:48.260 I think the only way to save Canada is to keep it Canadian and not whatever this is on

01:02:53.660 the streets.

01:02:54.000 And it's not Canadian because they're burning Canadian flags.

01:02:56.340 Well, I wanted to, you know, since we're going, talking about this, I think there's

01:03:00.840 another clip that we can play.

01:03:02.340 It's very important.

01:03:03.440 And that happened in Toronto.

01:03:05.080 And it was a fight over the parking spot.

01:03:07.640 And there's a gentleman there that is talking to a Jewish person.

01:03:12.340 And you know the clip I'm talking about.

01:03:14.260 I'm not sure.

01:03:14.940 Well, it's, you know, he incites Hitler in it.

01:03:18.520 And...

01:03:18.780 Right.

01:03:19.380 At that auto body shop.

01:03:21.180 Right.

01:03:22.060 And can we play that clip?

01:03:23.700 Yeah, absolutely.

01:03:24.440 And then I'll comment on why it's important.

01:03:27.100 Yeah.

01:03:27.260 Here's a clip just absolutely crazy.

01:03:28.900 And we went down there.

01:03:29.580 David went down there.

01:03:30.280 David Minns is a reporter.

01:03:31.140 Went down there.

01:03:31.980 Turns out this guy is a customer of that store and he hangs out there.

01:03:36.520 Right.

01:03:37.000 Take a look at this.

01:03:38.060 It's quite something.

01:03:39.500 I mean, if this guy was a white trucker...

01:03:42.220 Well, this guy lives in Kersers, Ontario and Chow's, Toronto.

01:03:45.800 Let's take a look.

01:03:47.700 ...fake f***ing Jew, you have the right to f***ing partner and I don't.

01:03:52.260 F*** you and f*** your mother and your grandmother and your great-grandmother, you f***ing fake Jew.

01:03:56.300 What about Hitler again?

01:03:56.940 I said, I said, Hitler should have wiped every f***ing one of you off the planet.

01:04:03.660 You said harass me, uncle.

01:04:08.220 You called me a Jew again.

01:04:11.780 There it is again.

01:04:12.640 Now, two things.

01:04:23.880 Yeah, no charges, of course.

01:04:26.220 Well, that's the thing.

01:04:26.900 What I was going to say is that if, you know, you can see that David and all your people get arrested.

01:04:33.700 You know, I was pushed around different things.

01:04:36.600 You would think that this guy, I mean, it's not like we don't know who he is.

01:04:39.720 They know who he is.

01:04:40.520 In fact, he laid a complaint against the police in an earlier incident.

01:04:44.380 They know his name.

01:04:45.360 They know his phone number.

01:04:46.400 Yeah.

01:04:46.800 And, you know, I don't know the real story, whether he just hangs around there or whether he's involved with ownership of the building there or whatever it is.

01:04:53.980 He's there all the time.

01:04:56.280 But they've let it go.

01:04:58.560 And, you know, whether they charge him later.

01:05:00.680 But I'll tell you something.

01:05:01.760 When, you know, I hear how you are called all kinds of names, Islamophobic and that kind of thing.

01:05:06.620 But that guy, you know, allegedly is somebody that you would think that would get the interest of the hate crimes unit.

01:05:15.660 I mean, that is as vile as it gets.

01:05:18.060 And if that's free speech, if they say that's free speech, then all what we do here is free speech.

01:05:22.760 Yeah.

01:05:23.420 Well, these are dangerous days.

01:05:25.220 You know, something Mayor Weinstein said to me that day.

01:05:27.760 I covered that story and I think I broke that story, is that he said something that he and that's when I first ran into it.

01:05:37.000 I covered Ernst Zandl.

01:05:38.640 That's how long I've been doing this kind of thing.

01:05:41.220 You know, Ernst Zandl would never say something like that.

01:05:43.760 Ernst Zandl was a Holocaust denier.

01:05:45.480 Right.

01:05:46.000 He would do his scrum and then he would talk to like Lauren Honigman and people like that.

01:05:50.020 He liked Lauren Honigman.

01:05:51.020 Yeah.

01:05:51.200 Lauren Honigman is Jewish.

01:05:52.060 And they would talk about things.

01:05:54.220 And Mayor Weinstein was one of the younger, he was young at that time and he wasn't as big as he is now.

01:05:59.260 It wasn't as intimidating.

01:06:00.720 But they would talk about things because it was never personal.

01:06:05.500 It was not, there was a cordial, it was strange.

01:06:08.340 They understood their sides.

01:06:10.160 And Mayor said, you know, Zandl never said anything like that.

01:06:13.880 You know, this guy has surpassed.

01:06:16.060 And yet there's a whole history of Ernst Zandl being prosecuted for hate speech and things he shouldn't say.

01:06:23.060 And he went to jail.

01:06:24.200 He also went to jail in Germany.

01:06:26.240 And he's considered somebody that's, you know, like a horrific criminal in Canada and never used that language that we just heard here.

01:06:34.160 Yeah.

01:06:34.480 We, you know, I.

01:06:36.020 It just shows you how bad it is now.

01:06:37.940 Yeah.

01:06:38.120 I mean, if we're going to tolerate that, if that's, you know, OK.

01:06:43.060 And, you know, according to Ontario and to Toronto so far, there's no charge for it.

01:06:50.780 You know, Rudyard Kipling, I think, is an outstanding poet and author.

01:06:55.040 He wrote The Jungle Book.

01:06:57.220 He wrote the poem If, which is sort of a very famous one.

01:07:01.600 He's born in India.

01:07:02.900 He came to Alberta.

01:07:03.960 He condemned Medicine Hat when they were going to change the name of their city to Gasperg or something.

01:07:09.900 He wrote a letter convincing the city elders not to change the name.

01:07:13.660 He was an amazing man.

01:07:15.960 And he wrote some poems.

01:07:17.860 Every Remembrance Day, I read his poem, Tommy, about like G.I. Joe.

01:07:22.220 They call him Tommy Atkins over there.

01:07:24.240 He was very pro-troops, very patriotic.

01:07:27.020 He wrote a couple of poems that I don't know if they would be allowed today.

01:07:29.800 One was called White Man's Burden, where he basically said, go out into the world and help, you know, lift up civilization.

01:07:36.980 So that's controversial today.

01:07:38.720 He wrote a shocking one called When the English Began to Hate.

01:07:43.740 But I want to read a line from another poem that goes to what you've just talked about.

01:07:52.060 Ernst Zundel was a Holocaust denier.

01:07:54.680 And he wouldn't dispute that.

01:07:56.080 That's what his mission was.

01:07:57.480 But there was, and I'm not here to defend him, there was a grain of commonality between him and Honigman and Weinstein.

01:08:06.660 There were some civilizational things that were agreed upon.

01:08:09.460 For example, I'm sure he wouldn't hit a woman.

01:08:12.180 Let me read to you just a line from Kipling's poem, written more than a hundred years ago.

01:08:16.840 And you tell me if this fits.

01:08:18.340 The stranger within my gate, he may be true or kind, but he does not talk my talk.

01:08:24.300 I cannot feel his mind.

01:08:25.880 I see the face and the eyes and the mouth, but not the soul behind.

01:08:31.140 The men of my own stock, they may do ill or well, but they tell the lies I am wanted to.

01:08:37.920 They are used to the lies I tell.

01:08:39.740 And we do not need interpreters when we go to buy and sell.

01:08:43.760 The stranger within my gates, he may be evil or good, but I cannot tell what powers control, what reasons sway his mood.

01:08:50.440 Nor when the gods of his far off land shall repossess his blood.

01:08:54.540 The men of my own stock, bitter bad they may be, but at least they hear the things I hear and see the things I see.

01:09:04.280 And whenever I think of them and their likes, they think of the likes of me.

01:09:08.020 This is my father's belief and this is also mine.

01:09:10.800 Let the corn be all one sheaf and the grapes be all one vine.

01:09:14.640 And our children's teeth are set on edge by bitter bread and wine.

01:09:18.900 I believe that people can come to Canada from any place in the world and be great Canadians.

01:09:25.500 You have to work at it, though.

01:09:26.860 You have to study Canada.

01:09:29.140 You have to learn it.

01:09:29.820 You have to love it.

01:09:30.480 You have to know the customs and the language and the history and the values.

01:09:34.000 There is a Canadian-ness.

01:09:35.220 It's not how Justin Trudeau describes it.

01:09:37.540 A post-national state, a hotel room, an airport terminal.

01:09:41.080 There is a Canadian-ness.

01:09:42.760 And people who come here from a village in Pakistan where they have no commonality here.

01:09:50.260 By the way, one of my favorite Canadians is from Pakistan, Raheel Raza, who lives Canadian values.

01:09:56.720 But if we bring people here from Stone Age villages where they have ancient hatreds and no one ever told them, you can't bring that with you.

01:10:07.360 And we bring people in such numbers that they never integrate.

01:10:09.840 But I go back, because I've been doing this so long and I remember, you know, when I was a kid, we had a lot of immigration from India, places like that, and everybody fit in great.

01:10:21.640 In those days, it was an unwritten rule that you became Canadian and you were proud of it.

01:10:25.780 You know, you think of the 72 hockey series, all those names, Mahavlich and Esposito and all that stuff.

01:10:30.860 Everybody embraced Canada.

01:10:32.080 In my own home, there's an Asian feel to it because I'm the only sort of, you know, my son, his mom's from Asia.

01:10:40.140 We have an older boy who was born in Asia.

01:10:42.960 But it's a Canadian household.

01:10:44.440 I mean, we're watching the Leaf game and all that stuff.

01:10:46.420 And all the way back to the 2010 Olympics watching Sidney Crosby.

01:10:51.300 You know, it's powerful.

01:10:52.700 I wear this today and I asked about it if it's, I thought it was appropriate to wear it today because we're getting close to Remembrance Day.

01:11:01.540 But every day is Remembrance Day for a lot of us.

01:11:05.260 And, you know, I think it's really important that we don't forget those hostages.

01:11:09.360 I know this doesn't represent those hostages, but it does in terms of freedom.

01:11:13.260 And also all the things about Don Cherry that we, you know, because everything we've talked about here today.

01:11:18.420 This man's 90 years old.

01:11:20.520 He's sitting all alone.

01:11:23.380 He's shunned by people.

01:11:24.760 He's never mentioned on Hockey Night in Canada.

01:11:27.420 And he did not say any of these things that that guy said.

01:11:31.260 Yeah.

01:11:31.580 All he said, and it was my column about how people don't wear the poppies.

01:11:35.400 And he mentioned it that night.

01:11:36.900 Right.

01:11:37.180 And he said everything that he said to me, but he, we talked over 20 minutes.

01:11:41.460 He wasn't under five minutes.

01:11:42.740 Yeah.

01:11:42.960 These lights and all that stuff, the pressure.

01:11:44.900 Yeah.

01:11:45.360 And they threw him under the bus.

01:11:47.160 Yeah.

01:11:47.440 The number one.

01:11:48.860 Yeah.

01:11:49.500 Television personality.

01:11:50.940 Yeah.

01:11:51.220 In Canadian history.

01:11:52.000 There's nobody bigger.

01:11:53.040 Yeah.

01:11:53.760 And we throw him under the bus and he's not part of it.

01:11:56.860 Yeah.

01:11:57.000 He's, you know, no order of Canada, no nothing.

01:11:59.220 Just casted him aside.

01:12:00.920 So I don't forget that.

01:12:02.260 But the reality is that this is a great country, but it has to be, you know, it has to be fought for.

01:12:10.320 The freedoms have to be, obviously we saw that in the pandemic.

01:12:14.340 I remember all the time, you know, in the pandemic, every time I would see you in the mall and you would retweet it.

01:12:19.720 It's always cool when you do that.

01:12:22.080 And I showed how you had to have a passport to get into the food court.

01:12:26.000 But you can stay on this side, even if you're full of disease, but you can't stay on that side.

01:12:30.340 This happened in Canada.

01:12:31.820 All these other things happened.

01:12:33.220 I remember taking my son to the hockey arena and they had an airport style security.

01:12:39.140 The very first time my son said, well, because he was a little younger and he's like, oh, what's this all about?

01:12:45.100 Are the police going to arrest us or what's the, you know, he didn't know.

01:12:47.740 I said, no, but they're asking for passports and stuff about that.

01:12:51.640 And my mom is in her 80s and that we're not showing a passport to go into the hockey arena that belongs to us.

01:12:57.820 We pay the taxes and we walked right in.

01:13:00.740 But you're in there, you're wondering, are they going to call the police?

01:13:03.120 Because there's those kinds of stories and that kind of thing.

01:13:06.700 But Canadians let that happen, Ezra.

01:13:09.300 They did.

01:13:10.180 They let it happen.

01:13:11.120 Sean Hartman, the young hockey player that died.

01:13:14.020 Nobody has covered the story outside of, you know, I did a little bit,

01:13:17.080 not as much as I should have or would like to have.

01:13:19.500 You've covered it.

01:13:20.420 But there's a lot of people that died because of the vaccines.

01:13:23.660 More than 400 Canadians that they admit to died.

01:13:27.480 It's way higher than that.

01:13:29.780 But Canadians, when they were given the test of how they're going to handle having their freedoms taken away,

01:13:34.740 what did they do?

01:13:35.560 They buckled.

01:13:36.480 And so I don't know if I have a lot of faith in it because I think that people are afraid.

01:13:41.780 They're afraid.

01:13:42.320 Michael Kirzner, the guy that's in charge of the police, he's afraid.

01:13:45.400 Yeah.

01:13:45.740 The mayor is, you know, openly, I mean, you know, didn't go to the most important event in this city this year.

01:13:53.600 You have to be there.

01:13:54.980 Even if you don't agree with it, you have to be there.

01:13:57.580 That's her job.

01:13:58.260 We don't have her there to decide that she doesn't go to those events.

01:14:01.260 And she represents me there as a Torontonian.

01:14:04.640 And Stephen Dalduca got that.

01:14:06.740 And so did Doug Ford and so did John Tory.

01:14:09.220 I would like to think that if black Canadians or another ethnicity were being vilified,

01:14:17.340 attacked, physically attacked, threatened, hate marches, I would like to think I would be there.

01:14:23.400 Well, you would be there because I've seen you there.

01:14:27.340 I mean, these things do come up and we're the first.

01:14:29.520 And in a way, the COVID battle was one such battle.

01:14:33.300 I myself, you know, I'm not jabbed.

01:14:35.900 I run a company, so my employer is me.

01:14:38.220 I'm not going to be forced to be jabbed.

01:14:39.940 But I believe that we stood up for people who were a minority that was picked on and the police were involved there.

01:14:46.620 But what's going on with the Jews?

01:14:48.080 I mean, I was at this Jewish event, this UJA event.

01:14:51.160 People were talking to me about leaving the country.

01:14:53.760 Jews leaving a country for safety reasons?

01:14:56.260 That sounds like something out of medieval times or out of the Second World War.

01:15:00.780 Joe, I love your journalism on this.

01:15:02.480 I think you're the best street, smart, shoe leather reporter around.

01:15:08.400 We try and emulate you to a degree at Rebel News.

01:15:11.720 And I'm grateful for all the work you do.

01:15:13.480 Well, look, thanks for the invitation.

01:15:15.560 It's been a while since we've been here and we've seen each other.

01:15:19.840 And, you know, I do a lot of your stories.

01:15:21.940 I mean, you break a lot of stories or you inspire them and I follow them up.

01:15:25.780 And I know sometimes I do the same and you follow them up.

01:15:29.560 But at the core of it, I met you.

01:15:31.700 You don't remember meeting me, but I remember I was a columnist for a year and a half at the Calgary Sun.

01:15:37.140 And that's where I learned to be a columnist.

01:15:39.060 I went there from the Toronto Sun in 2000 or sorry, in 1997.

01:15:44.540 And I was there till 1998.

01:15:46.320 I was there a couple of years.

01:15:47.740 That was the time when Preston Manning won the 66 seats.

01:15:52.160 And at that time, the Calgary Sun supported Jean Charest.

01:15:56.080 And you were a columnist.

01:15:57.340 I had read your stuff.

01:15:58.140 You were a younger.

01:15:59.680 I was 25 or something.

01:16:00.980 Yeah.

01:16:01.140 But I remember you coming in and kind of quitting on principle and I was there for that.

01:16:06.620 And I thought, this guy has such integrity because he's giving up a spot in the paper, which is not an easy thing to do.

01:16:17.740 There's only 100 columnists in the country.

01:16:20.020 It's hard to get a column.

01:16:21.160 It's hard to keep one.

01:16:22.520 And you were prepared to stand up for what you believed in.

01:16:24.980 You were upset that the Sun at that time didn't support Preston Manning.

01:16:29.260 All the columnists did, Rick Bell, Linda Slobodian, those are two legendary viewers in Alberta know who they are.

01:16:36.900 I learned a lot from both of them.

01:16:38.900 And I was an Ontario guy out there covering it.

01:16:41.260 But we all supported Preston Manning at that time.

01:16:43.480 It made the only sense.

01:16:45.520 But you stood on principle.

01:16:48.200 So I just want to say that it's always an honor.

01:16:51.100 Ever since then, I followed your career, Western Standard, all the things you do.

01:16:54.840 It's an honor for me to be here.

01:16:56.000 Well, you're very kind, Joe.

01:16:57.040 Great to see you.

01:16:57.700 Thanks for being here.

01:16:58.400 Happy Holidays, everybody.

01:16:59.580 Yeah, there you have it.

01:17:00.040 Happy Thanksgiving.

01:17:00.660 Our friend Joe Warmington spending the last hour plus with us.

01:17:04.540 What a treat to have him in our studios.

01:17:07.100 Thank you for joining us.

01:17:08.760 From all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters to you at home, good night.

01:17:13.000 And keep fighting for freedom.

01:17:14.120 Thank you.

01:17:28.400 Bye-bye.

Rebel News Podcast - October 14, 2024

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Veteran reporter Joe Warmington on the decay of Toronto and Canada

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