Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ What if someone says he’ll punch you in the face, and he won’t cry at your funeral — but then he dies suddenly？

00:00:00.100 Hello, my rebels. In today's podcast, I tell you about the unfortunate case of a cardiac physician, a bit of a hero in the community, who suddenly died in his sleep in New Brunswick at the age of 52.

00:00:12.880 And I read the lengthy obituary of him in the CBC, but they didn't say his cause of death.

00:00:17.340 They just said he died in his sleep, which is not a cause of death.

00:00:22.020 What was his cause of death?

00:00:23.520 I ask a few more questions. I try not to be too, you know, invasive.

00:00:31.000 We don't want to speak ill of the dead, but there are questions I think we ought to ask about the death.

00:00:36.500 I'll take you through that in today's podcast.

00:00:39.820 I'll also show you a few of the good doctor's tweets.

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00:00:52.280 including how healthy this doctor seemed to be.

00:00:55.680 I wonder if it was a vaccine injury. What do you think?

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00:01:21.060 Tonight, what if someone says he'll punch you in the face, and he won't cry at your funeral,

00:01:42.980 but then he dies suddenly?

00:01:45.240 It's November 15th, and this is the Ezra Levant Show.

00:01:48.000 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:53.960 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:01:58.020 The only thing I have to say to the government, the wire publisher, is because it's my bloody right to do so.

00:02:03.880 I saw this obituary in the CBC, absolutely glowing.

00:02:15.180 Sounds like he was a wonderful man.

00:02:17.920 Here's the story.

00:02:19.620 Headline is,

00:02:20.440 Dr. Sourab Luchmedial dedicated more than 20 years to the New Brunswick Heart Center.

00:02:36.720 He was only 52 years old, just a couple of years older than I am,

00:02:40.560 and judging by the photos of him, he was in good shape.

00:02:45.500 What on earth could have made him die so suddenly and unexpectedly?

00:02:51.100 The article doesn't actually say, which I find quite odd.

00:02:56.020 A prominent New Brunswick cardiologist has died,

00:02:58.900 leaving behind a large gap in the system and the community, colleagues say.

00:03:03.220 Dr. Sourab Luchmedial dedicated more than 20 years to the New Brunswick Heart Center

00:03:09.640 and the care of patients suffering from heart disease,

00:03:13.340 said a statement from the staff of the New Brunswick Heart Center.

00:03:18.560 It is with profound sadness that we report the sudden and unexpected death of a colleague,

00:03:24.140 friend, father, partner, and inspiring spirit.

00:03:27.700 The statement says,

00:03:28.800 Dying in your sleep is a description of when you died,

00:03:48.000 and I suppose what you were doing when you died,

00:03:50.740 but it is not the cause of death.

00:03:53.520 Sleep is not the cause of death.

00:03:55.220 It's when you died.

00:03:57.320 What happened to make you die?

00:04:01.620 Was the CBC journalist who wrote this glowing obituary not, you know,

00:04:05.140 just a little bit curious?

00:04:07.460 I mean, that is your job.

00:04:10.100 I mean, he wasn't sick.

00:04:11.820 No one saw this coming.

00:04:14.000 Here's what his friend said.

00:04:16.340 It was sudden, unexpected for all of us.

00:04:18.820 He was actually on call yesterday morning,

00:04:21.320 Legare said in an interview.

00:04:22.600 I think all of us are having a hard time just sort of grasping at the size of the loss.

00:04:28.420 We chatted with him on the weekend about plans and things we were going to do, you know,

00:04:33.020 in the next few weeks, few months for the heart center.

00:04:36.040 When someone of a certain age dies suddenly, it's often something terrible that happened.

00:04:41.840 A car accident, even a murder, or God forbid, a suicide.

00:04:46.520 A healthy, fit man of 52 who's a doctor is unlikely to have a deadly heart attack,

00:04:54.280 and they certainly don't say that it was a heart attack.

00:04:57.180 So, why the omission?

00:04:59.940 Why the mystery?

00:05:00.660 I mean, just no curiosity at all here.

00:05:04.820 I don't believe that.

00:05:06.340 I think the reporter must have been curious.

00:05:09.140 She was assigned the story, and it was quite a long story that she wrote.

00:05:14.300 She must have wondered, how did he die?

00:05:17.660 I mean, basic journalism, who, what, where, why, when?

00:05:19.860 So what's the what?

00:05:20.860 What's the how?

00:05:21.660 Well, I simply refuse to believe that any reporter, even a crummy government reporter,

00:05:27.260 like the kind who works for the CBC, would lack that curiosity.

00:05:31.080 I just don't believe it.

00:05:32.700 So it must be left out on purpose.

00:05:35.940 Now, sometimes that happens with a suicide victim.

00:05:38.940 They don't want to embarrass the deceased or his family.

00:05:42.820 I'm pretty sure that is not the case here.

00:05:44.960 The obituary talked about how he had just returned from visiting his daughter in university in Ontario,

00:05:51.100 and how he's making all sorts of plans for things.

00:05:53.900 It sounds sort of upbeat about life, I think.

00:05:58.400 And in fact, I think it's fair to say he was having the time of his life.

00:06:02.440 He was one of those doctors who was obscure until 20 months ago,

00:06:06.200 who then became an internet and TV celebrity by talking about the pandemic

00:06:11.400 and being quoted and respected and listened to in a way that he never was before in his life.

00:06:17.080 He was internet famous, which is not quite TV famous, but it was exciting for him.

00:06:22.880 His Twitter biography is what you'd expect.

00:06:26.920 Multitasking, kick-ass, cardiac, plumber, medical research, maestro, media world, neophyte,

00:06:33.700 and coach of all sorts, master of no sports, he, him, his.

00:06:38.700 Of course, he had his pronouns in his biography, of course.

00:06:41.640 And let me stop for a moment to say the obvious.

00:06:46.540 Unless someone is truly evil, like Fidel Castro or Xi Jinping,

00:06:52.140 I think one ought to not speak ill of the dead.

00:06:56.600 They're not here to defend themselves.

00:06:58.840 Their families and friends are in mourning.

00:07:01.180 So we hold our tongues for them, but we also hold our tongues for ourselves.

00:07:05.760 As John Donne wrote,

00:07:09.300 No man is an island.

00:07:10.980 Any man's death diminishes me because I am involved in mankind.

00:07:16.140 And yet, given the hagiography of that CBC article,

00:07:20.380 given the mystery of his sudden and youthful passing,

00:07:23.200 I think it is appropriate to ask a neutral question,

00:07:28.140 especially to the man who talked so much about the pandemic.

00:07:31.440 Did he die from COVID?

00:07:35.960 Almost certainly not.

00:07:38.240 Okay.

00:07:39.520 Well, did he die, as young men sometimes do, 1.00

00:07:43.000 from an injury from the vaccine itself?

00:07:47.840 I'm asking that because we know that the public health establishment

00:07:51.580 counts almost anything as a COVID death,

00:07:54.740 because the measurement is,

00:07:57.260 did you die and did you test positive for COVID

00:08:00.520 within 28 days of your death?

00:08:03.060 So, not did you die from COVID,

00:08:05.280 but did you die with COVID?

00:08:07.680 I mean, the craziest case was

00:08:09.440 like that guy who fell off a ladder and died from that,

00:08:13.260 but they actually counted it as a COVID death.

00:08:16.220 Or that disgraceful public health officer in Alberta,

00:08:20.020 Dina Hinshaw,

00:08:20.900 who claimed that a teenager who died from brain cancer

00:08:24.180 actually died from COVID.

00:08:25.700 Imagine how gross that is.

00:08:27.480 The family was so disgusted by her,

00:08:30.660 they demanded an apology,

00:08:31.900 which she grudgingly gave.

00:08:33.900 Politicians like Hinshaw to use the family's dead child

00:08:37.240 as a talking point.

00:08:38.320 It's the worst.

00:08:40.780 But is it fair to ask,

00:08:42.020 did he die from the vaccine?

00:08:44.440 Not to ask in a voyeuristic way,

00:08:46.920 but can we know,

00:08:48.860 by God,

00:08:49.700 we knew anyone in the public eye who got COVID,

00:08:52.120 didn't we?

00:08:52.500 We know far fewer who actually died from it.

00:08:55.040 Do you know anyone who died from COVID?

00:08:57.040 Just answer me.

00:08:57.720 I mean, yes or no is the answer.

00:08:59.820 And by no,

00:09:00.540 I mean anyone you've talked to in the last five years.

00:09:03.620 I mentioned the other day

00:09:04.740 that a judge in Alberta,

00:09:05.980 when sentencing Arthur Pawlowski for contempt of court,

00:09:08.900 he said,

00:09:09.260 and I'm quoting from his ruling here,

00:09:12.200 he said,

00:09:13.600 today,

00:09:14.620 virtually everybody in Alberta

00:09:16.240 knows at least one person who has died from COVID.

00:09:19.520 Yeah, no, no.

00:09:20.680 There's four and a half million Albertans.

00:09:22.520 About 3,000 have died with COVID.

00:09:24.960 Average age, 80.

00:09:26.620 So one in 1,500 people has died in the province.

00:09:30.520 Do you even know 1,500 people?

00:09:32.200 I doubt you do,

00:09:33.480 if knowing means anything meaningful.

00:09:35.520 That judge,

00:09:36.600 Adam Germain,

00:09:37.460 is atrocious.

00:09:38.740 And he was issuing a ruling

00:09:40.320 based on his own fears and paranoia,

00:09:42.960 not on evidence.

00:09:44.080 It is not a fact that everyone knows someone who died.

00:09:46.800 This is not the Black Death.

00:09:47.940 But back to the late Dr. Lutz Medial.

00:09:52.000 He had a lot to say,

00:09:54.100 like this,

00:09:56.380 wear your damn mask.

00:09:58.900 Okay, doctor.

00:10:00.540 We need to start calling them antibody guns, 1.00

00:10:04.080 and Americans will start getting lining up for vaccines.

00:10:09.460 Those stupid Americans call it guns,

00:10:12.140 and they'll get them.

00:10:12.940 And he said this,

00:10:16.500 I think all of us would treat that unvaxxed patient with respect 1.00

00:10:19.720 and to the best of our abilities,

00:10:21.220 but the people that convince them not to get vaxxed,

00:10:24.540 I want to punch those people in the face.

00:10:29.180 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:10:31.460 That's not the kind of talk I'm used to hearing from a doctor.

00:10:35.020 Violence?

00:10:36.240 That's weird.

00:10:38.060 I wonder what it was like at work,

00:10:40.100 if you dared to disagree with them.

00:10:41.600 Or this one from the late doctor.

00:10:45.980 The collective argument to protect those who cannot get the vaccine,

00:10:49.700 who want protection,

00:10:51.000 immune compromised,

00:10:52.600 the very young,

00:10:53.620 the homeless,

00:10:54.220 and disenfranchised,

00:10:55.300 for those that won't get the shot for selfish reasons,

00:10:58.460 whatever,

00:10:59.560 I won't cry at their funeral.

00:11:02.740 Hey, by the way,

00:11:03.520 what's a selfish reason?

00:11:04.660 Aren't all medical procedures about yourself?

00:11:08.920 I mean,

00:11:09.340 that's how we do it, right?

00:11:11.000 Everyone makes decisions for themselves based on what's right for themselves.

00:11:15.260 It's not a group decision.

00:11:17.040 It's a personal decision.

00:11:18.960 A doctor can give advice,

00:11:20.580 but each patient has the right to choose to accept it or not.

00:11:23.860 So isn't every medical decision actually selfish by nature,

00:11:28.240 since you're deciding what's best for yourself?

00:11:31.820 Isn't that what we're all supposed to be doing?

00:11:35.460 And how does my vaccine choice have anything to do with your safety?

00:11:39.200 Doesn't your vaccine protect you?

00:11:42.160 Well, that's the thing.

00:11:43.240 We're finding out that these vaccines don't, in fact, protect you.

00:11:47.460 Here's the vaccine billionaire, Bill Gates.

00:11:50.540 You know, we didn't have vaccines that block transmission.

00:11:53.900 We got vaccines that help you with your health,

00:11:56.380 but they only slightly reduce the transmissions.

00:11:58.640 We need a new way of doing the vaccines.

00:12:01.540 We didn't get much in the way of therapeutics.

00:12:03.920 Yikes.

00:12:04.560 They don't really work as vaccines, eh?

00:12:06.400 Here's Anthony Fauci himself.

00:12:08.660 We're starting to see

00:12:11.200 waning immunity against infection

00:12:14.460 and waning immunity in the beginning aspect

00:12:18.620 against hospitalization.

00:12:21.220 And if you look at Israel, 0.90

00:12:22.980 which has always been a month to a month and a half

00:12:27.120 ahead of us in the dynamics of the outbreak,

00:12:30.860 in their vaccine response,

00:12:33.380 and in every other element of the outbreak,

00:12:36.200 they are seeing a waning of immunity,

00:12:39.640 not only against infection,

00:12:41.560 but against hospitalizations

00:12:44.360 and to some extent death,

00:12:46.680 which is starting to now involve all age groups.

00:12:50.740 It isn't just the elderly.

00:12:53.060 So they're not really vaccines.

00:12:55.860 The Johnson & Johnson one

00:12:57.520 falls to just 3% effectiveness.

00:13:00.580 After six months, what even is that?

00:13:03.380 But look, it holds either way.

00:13:04.720 If vaccines are really great,

00:13:07.440 then if you take one,

00:13:08.640 then whether I take one or not,

00:13:09.880 it doesn't really matter, right?

00:13:10.840 And if vaccines aren't great,

00:13:12.400 if they don't really work at all,

00:13:14.500 then if vaccines are not great,

00:13:15.940 then if you take one,

00:13:17.180 then whether or not I take one

00:13:18.200 doesn't really matter either, does it?

00:13:22.160 For those that won't get the shot

00:13:24.800 for selfish reasons, whatever,

00:13:26.280 I won't cry at their funeral.

00:13:30.760 That is rough talk from a doctor, isn't it?

00:13:34.300 First, he wants to punch people in the face

00:13:36.340 who disagree with him.

00:13:37.320 Then he won't cry at people's funeral

00:13:39.020 if they don't make the decision he does.

00:13:42.920 I'm not really looking for him

00:13:45.260 to cry at anyone's funeral

00:13:46.560 unless you truly have an emotional connection

00:13:49.180 to someone.

00:13:49.640 I think that would be maudlin.

00:13:52.820 But he's not really talking about

00:13:54.000 whether or not he would cry

00:13:54.980 at some stranger's funeral.

00:13:56.580 He's really saying,

00:13:57.760 I don't care if they live or die.

00:13:59.680 That's really what he means

00:14:00.720 because, of course,

00:14:01.280 he wouldn't cry at their funeral.

00:14:03.940 So that is the late Dr. Saurab Lutchmediel.

00:14:09.420 CBC says he's an inspiring spirit

00:14:12.400 who died suddenly.

00:14:14.980 I'm not happy that he died.

00:14:16.340 I wish he had lived.

00:14:18.380 I disagree with him,

00:14:19.560 but I don't want to punch him in the face.

00:14:21.160 I think it's fine to have an obituary about someone

00:14:25.360 and not mention how nasty they were

00:14:28.640 in the public square.

00:14:29.860 Obituaries can be nice.

00:14:31.860 Though that's not really news journalism

00:14:33.380 as the CBC pretends it was, right?

00:14:36.840 But I am still curious, aren't you?

00:14:41.120 So did he die from a vaccine injury or not?

00:14:45.800 Stay with us for more.

00:14:46.900 Death by socialism?

00:15:01.020 How can I call this show that?

00:15:02.680 To many people,

00:15:03.820 socialism is just good,

00:15:05.720 more fair,

00:15:06.680 more equal than our ruthless system.

00:15:09.600 The word socialist, after all,

00:15:11.040 is derived from society.

00:15:12.500 It suggests we're all in this together.

00:15:14.700 Bernie Sanders calls himself

00:15:16.800 a democratic socialist,

00:15:18.460 and he almost won the democratic nomination

00:15:20.240 by promising socialist benefits.

00:15:23.700 This campaign is about moving the United States 0.57

00:15:28.120 toward universal health care.

00:15:31.220 At this pro-Sanders event,

00:15:32.840 his supporters carry red flags.

00:15:35.260 Red, because that's the color of socialism

00:15:37.060 and communism.

00:15:38.720 Don't these people know history?

00:15:40.180 The Soviet Union murdered millions of people.

00:15:45.620 Well, that is one of America's most interesting

00:15:48.040 and most independent journalists.

00:15:51.240 John Stossel, he's really done it all.

00:15:53.800 ABC, Fox Business,

00:15:55.880 and incredibly, he will be one of our keynote guests

00:16:01.120 in two days, Wednesday, November 17th,

00:16:04.640 at a special town hall

00:16:06.840 to talk about civil liberties

00:16:08.740 and the crisis we're in.

00:16:10.660 This is a series of town halls.

00:16:12.380 We've had the first with Tucker Carlson,

00:16:14.300 the second with Glenn Beck,

00:16:15.800 the third John Stossel.

00:16:17.120 But really,

00:16:18.520 I gotta tell you,

00:16:19.440 the star of the last event,

00:16:20.820 I like Glenn Beck plenty.

00:16:23.940 But oh my gosh,

00:16:25.580 Dr. Julie Panessi

00:16:27.100 and her video from that night,

00:16:29.560 look at this,

00:16:30.060 it's been seen nearly 200,000 times on YouTube.

00:16:35.720 And Dr. Julie joins us now via Skype

00:16:39.040 from London, Ontario.

00:16:40.460 Dr. Julie,

00:16:41.420 I don't know if you know that,

00:16:42.720 but your speech at the last town hall

00:16:45.040 has been seen just about 200,000 times on YouTube.

00:16:48.260 Did you know that?

00:16:49.980 Well, I knew it was climbing,

00:16:51.700 but I didn't know we'd got to that number.

00:16:53.380 That's amazing.

00:16:54.840 Well, you know what?

00:16:55.800 There's a reason for that.

00:16:56.980 You have a very rare combination of heart and head.

00:17:01.500 And what I mean by that is you're logical,

00:17:03.380 you're smart,

00:17:03.980 you take people through the ethics of decision-making

00:17:07.520 in the era of the pandemic,

00:17:08.580 but you don't get dry and professorial.

00:17:11.260 You speak from the heart too.

00:17:12.320 And I think it's because

00:17:13.160 of what you personally experienced.

00:17:15.240 I'm just so proud

00:17:16.280 that you're the pandemic ethics scholar

00:17:19.900 of the Democracy Fund.

00:17:21.220 You're going to be speaking on Wednesday night too.

00:17:23.260 Am I right?

00:17:24.700 That's right.

00:17:25.380 Well, I look forward to what you're going to say.

00:17:28.060 Is it going to be similar

00:17:29.780 to your remarks at the last time?

00:17:31.060 Are you going to talk about

00:17:31.800 anything in particular this time?

00:17:34.540 Well, one of the things

00:17:35.740 that I'm planning on talking about

00:17:37.500 is you mentioned civil liberties.

00:17:39.980 So freedom and whether or not

00:17:42.080 we are very good judges

00:17:44.160 of whether or not we're free,

00:17:46.320 whether or not it's possible to be wrong

00:17:49.080 about whether or not we're free.

00:17:51.340 And so I plan to ask people in the audience

00:17:53.820 how free they feel

00:17:55.400 because I think that's a really

00:17:57.060 important question these days.

00:17:58.560 And, you know, questions like

00:17:59.920 how can we know if we are free?

00:18:02.200 What are some signs

00:18:03.280 that our freedoms might be slipping?

00:18:05.080 And then ultimately,

00:18:06.460 to be a bit hopeful,

00:18:07.980 to offer some hope,

00:18:09.060 what can we do

00:18:10.000 if we think that they're slipping away

00:18:11.820 and we want to get some traction

00:18:13.640 on what we've lost

00:18:14.760 and what we're losing?

00:18:16.340 Yeah.

00:18:16.780 You know, I want to throw an idea at you.

00:18:18.340 I remember when I first discovered

00:18:19.580 a phrase in economics

00:18:20.900 called hedonic adaptation.

00:18:24.020 I thought, what on earth does that mean?

00:18:25.520 And it was an idea where,

00:18:26.820 let's say you make $50,000 at a job

00:18:29.440 and you get a raise to $60,000.

00:18:32.860 That's a huge raise, 20% raise.

00:18:35.880 And it's the best feeling in the world.

00:18:38.780 And all of a sudden,

00:18:40.560 you can pay off some bills

00:18:41.520 and you can maybe get a nicer car

00:18:43.420 and go a slightly nicer vacation.

00:18:44.860 But within six months,

00:18:47.680 that $60,000 a year

00:18:49.280 is now your new normal.

00:18:51.020 And you can't go backwards.

00:18:53.440 And you've adapted your expectations.

00:18:57.500 That is now your baseline.

00:18:59.420 What was once luxury to you

00:19:01.360 is now normal.

00:19:02.720 And the phrase I've heard for that

00:19:04.360 is hedonic adaptation.

00:19:05.760 I think that that concept

00:19:09.360 applies to a lot of things.

00:19:11.620 The idea that the government

00:19:13.120 can tell you where you can go,

00:19:15.120 when you can go,

00:19:15.800 you have to put a mask on.

00:19:17.380 The idea that other people

00:19:19.140 can scold you,

00:19:20.320 demand you for your most private

00:19:21.680 and intimate health information.

00:19:24.760 I don't know what the word would be

00:19:26.340 to adapt to that.

00:19:27.280 It's the opposite of hedonic.

00:19:28.500 It would be authoritarian adaptation

00:19:30.160 that we're just used to.

00:19:31.560 We're used to having a bouncer

00:19:34.200 at every restaurant or shop.

00:19:36.820 It's really like a bouncer

00:19:37.740 who asks you invasive questions.

00:19:40.660 And we're used to that now, aren't we?

00:19:41.840 What else I think we're really used to

00:19:44.500 is that we have lived incredibly well

00:19:47.000 for a very long time in Canada.

00:19:50.160 And I'm not sure we have any sense

00:19:53.980 of what it would feel like

00:19:55.980 to lose many things

00:19:57.980 that are incredibly important to us.

00:19:59.840 And I don't mean material things.

00:20:02.340 I don't even really mean

00:20:03.500 relationships in our lives.

00:20:05.500 But the things that make our lives possible

00:20:08.440 from a democratic point of view,

00:20:10.800 the very basic structures of society,

00:20:13.760 what our relationship between ourselves

00:20:16.460 as citizens and our government looks like,

00:20:18.720 what our relationship

00:20:19.880 with fellow citizens looks like.

00:20:21.780 Do we have obligations to other people?

00:20:23.980 And what do those look like?

00:20:25.040 I think now we're seeing that,

00:20:27.380 you know, this pandemic situation

00:20:29.320 is putting our feet to the fire.

00:20:31.580 It's showing us what we're really made of.

00:20:34.100 It's showing us how strong

00:20:36.600 our democratic ties have been.

00:20:39.500 And the news isn't good.

00:20:40.980 We are not good at, you know,

00:20:42.780 I mean, our government is focusing hard

00:20:45.220 on molding us to shame each other,

00:20:50.260 hate each other, 0.65

00:20:51.260 see the other as other,

00:20:53.680 ostracize each other,

00:20:54.920 and perhaps the worst of all,

00:20:57.440 dismiss and ignore and cancel the other.

00:21:00.300 And we are exceeding at those things miraculously.

00:21:04.220 We are A plus students at those things.

00:21:07.220 And we need to put the brakes on for a little bit

00:21:10.640 and stop and think about where our country came from,

00:21:14.120 why we were the envy of the world for so long,

00:21:18.380 why we should in some sense be shameful

00:21:21.400 of our democracy and, you know,

00:21:23.100 and how to get it back again.

00:21:24.720 Yeah.

00:21:25.500 I mean, so many rules are published

00:21:27.760 by these previously unknown, anonymous,

00:21:30.880 unaccountable, perpetual, deep state

00:21:33.340 public health bureaucrats.

00:21:35.180 I use the word deep state

00:21:36.140 because where did they come from?

00:21:37.620 They're not going anywhere.

00:21:39.160 They seem to scoff at the idea of oversight.

00:21:43.080 In fact, you hear things

00:21:44.420 like the president of Pfizer saying

00:21:46.120 to criticize us ought to be criminal.

00:21:49.020 Who the hell are you?

00:21:50.140 I mean, when was the last time

00:21:51.260 we had a parliamentary debate?

00:21:53.420 Like a true back and forth

00:21:55.140 differences of opinion debate.

00:21:56.740 None of these things are lost.

00:21:59.540 They're all health orders,

00:22:00.900 whatever that means.

00:22:02.040 They're not even emanating from the parliament.

00:22:04.380 We're in a parliamentary debate,

00:22:06.060 a town hall, a citizens assembly, anything.

00:22:10.160 When was the last time we had any of those things?

00:22:12.820 You know, and it's funny,

00:22:14.500 I was mentioning earlier, you know,

00:22:16.260 economic success, material success.

00:22:19.460 And I think there's a numbness.

00:22:21.080 As long as you've got your Netflix

00:22:22.760 or your Disney Plus at home

00:22:25.740 and you can order food delivered to you at home,

00:22:29.560 well, you're fine.

00:22:30.420 Those are the important things.

00:22:31.540 Are you watching the new TV show,

00:22:33.900 the latest TV show?

00:22:35.220 And are you eating pizza at home?

00:22:36.700 You're fine.

00:22:37.560 That other stuff,

00:22:38.360 let the smart people take care

00:22:40.020 of those decisions for you.

00:22:41.800 Do you think people are waking up, Dr. Julie?

00:22:46.900 I don't know.

00:22:48.680 More and more all the time, certainly.

00:22:51.640 You know, and psychologists I've spoken with

00:22:54.960 have theories about, you know,

00:22:56.700 what percentage of the people

00:22:58.160 are sort of on the edge.

00:23:00.720 And, you know, Julius Ruchel,

00:23:02.720 the brilliant public scholar and historian,

00:23:05.740 thinks that we see vaccine regret, for example,

00:23:10.440 among a certain percentage of the population,

00:23:12.640 because when they give in and get the vaccine,

00:23:16.300 their fear subsides, sort of dissolves,

00:23:19.180 and then they're able to think clearly

00:23:20.340 and rationally and realize

00:23:22.040 that there wasn't really good reason

00:23:23.800 or evidence for doing it, you know?

00:23:25.060 So there's a certain percentage of the population

00:23:26.860 that I think we are seeing,

00:23:28.740 feel that the government has asked too much.

00:23:30.760 You know, they did their thing,

00:23:31.740 they masked, they distanced,

00:23:33.080 they got their double doses,

00:23:34.380 and then they want to be let off the hook

00:23:36.260 and left alone.

00:23:37.680 And they're seeing that there's a kind of betrayal

00:23:39.540 on the part of the government now,

00:23:40.940 and there's this sort of moving goalpost.

00:23:42.940 We're talking about third boosters

00:23:44.260 where we're not seeing discussions

00:23:46.220 about an alleviation of the lockdowns.

00:23:48.420 So is this goalpost moving,

00:23:50.740 or is it invisible,

00:23:52.380 or was it non-existent to begin with?

00:23:55.080 But to be quite honest with you,

00:23:56.460 I think there's a very large percentage

00:23:58.320 of the Canadian population

00:24:00.180 that feels an incredible amount of security

00:24:03.360 from our government,

00:24:04.380 and feels as though as long as they comply,

00:24:08.020 they will be safe,

00:24:09.160 they will be protected.

00:24:10.440 It's very unclear to me

00:24:11.860 what kind of historical precedent

00:24:13.260 we have for that kind of trust.

00:24:16.520 And I can't even hypothesize

00:24:19.020 what that might be.

00:24:19.800 I'm not imaginative enough

00:24:21.240 to be able to think of past examples

00:24:24.100 to show when our government

00:24:25.680 earned that trust.

00:24:28.260 But I think that will be

00:24:30.080 the last group to fall

00:24:31.980 if indeed it ever does fall.

00:24:33.700 There will be, I think,

00:24:35.860 an incredible amount

00:24:36.920 of cognitive dissonance

00:24:38.160 over the coming months

00:24:39.920 and year or maybe years

00:24:42.580 when the evidence

00:24:44.920 looks to be even more inconsistent

00:24:48.100 with public health directives

00:24:50.180 than it already has been.

00:24:52.040 You know, a good example of this,

00:24:53.340 I was driving through Toronto

00:24:54.440 about a week ago

00:24:55.720 and the electronic signs

00:24:56.760 over the highway

00:24:57.520 say something like,

00:24:59.180 keep yourself safe,

00:25:00.880 protect transmission,

00:25:02.340 get the vaccine.

00:25:03.560 Well, the director of the CDC

00:25:05.300 and even Dr. Fauci

00:25:07.240 have stated that the COVID vaccines

00:25:09.020 can't prevent transmission.

00:25:10.300 So that kind of inconsistency

00:25:13.560 between evidence and policy

00:25:15.340 is going to create

00:25:16.900 a sort of dissonance

00:25:18.300 or a difficulty

00:25:19.300 in reconciling

00:25:20.520 these two sets of facts

00:25:21.860 for some people,

00:25:22.820 but not for all, I think.

00:25:24.140 You know, it's incredible.

00:25:26.380 People say,

00:25:27.400 there used to be this phrase,

00:25:29.140 God wins law. 0.98

00:25:30.020 Whoever invokes Nazis first 0.99

00:25:32.360 loses the argument

00:25:33.860 because it was a sign

00:25:35.000 of desperation

00:25:36.380 and ad hominem

00:25:37.480 and you're reaching for the

00:25:38.520 everyone I don't like

00:25:39.980 is Hitler button 0.52

00:25:40.920 because you're out of ideas.

00:25:43.380 But what happens

00:25:44.400 if you actually have ideas,

00:25:47.080 authoritarian ideas,

00:25:48.120 public health ideas,

00:25:49.160 mandatory medical procedure ideas

00:25:50.740 that actually the last

00:25:52.840 horrific practitioner of them

00:25:54.540 was Hitler. 0.87

00:25:56.100 And I refer, of course,

00:25:57.100 to Dr. Joseph Mengele

00:25:58.220 and the horrific experiments

00:26:00.140 he did on people

00:26:02.460 in the death camps.

00:26:05.600 I won't even describe them.

00:26:06.920 They're too terrible even to say.

00:26:08.860 That's where we got

00:26:09.900 our medical ethics code.

00:26:11.640 And to see now

00:26:13.120 a government official in Austria

00:26:14.920 lock down the unclean

00:26:18.300 and say that they are,

00:26:21.140 quote, the angels of death.

00:26:22.800 That was Dr. Mengele's nickname

00:26:25.620 in the death camps.

00:26:26.860 He was the angel of death

00:26:28.140 for an Austrian politician

00:26:30.280 80 years after Hitler 0.86

00:26:33.420 to not only impose

00:26:35.800 forced medical procedures

00:26:37.640 on people,

00:26:38.220 but to call the victims

00:26:40.460 Nazi-like.

00:26:42.560 That's when you're drawing

00:26:43.680 upon that word,

00:26:45.540 the angel of death,

00:26:46.280 is a level of gaslighting

00:26:49.620 and amorality

00:26:51.500 I have never in my life

00:26:53.620 seen before.

00:26:55.300 And yes,

00:26:56.400 that is Hitler-like. 0.60

00:26:59.060 You know what, Ezra?

00:27:00.360 We have just got to get over

00:27:01.640 this idea

00:27:02.320 that some examples

00:27:03.720 from the past,

00:27:04.540 some parts of our history

00:27:05.520 are off limits.

00:27:06.820 Because, I mean,

00:27:07.800 I think the motivation,

00:27:09.040 the implicit reasoning

00:27:10.040 behind those

00:27:11.080 who say you can't compare

00:27:12.200 what's going on now

00:27:13.280 to what happened,

00:27:14.760 you know,

00:27:14.960 with the Nazi eugenics movement

00:27:16.260 or the Holocaust, 0.51

00:27:17.420 you know,

00:27:17.900 more generally.

00:27:18.980 I think the implicit reasoning

00:27:20.040 there is that,

00:27:20.740 well, wait,

00:27:21.040 this is a poor argument

00:27:22.140 from analogy

00:27:22.820 because what we're seeing

00:27:24.360 happening now

00:27:25.200 is just not enough

00:27:26.280 like what happened then.

00:27:27.980 But for an argument

00:27:29.380 from analogy to work,

00:27:30.460 you need to have

00:27:31.320 a sufficient number

00:27:32.660 of points of comparison

00:27:33.640 between the two analogs.

00:27:35.480 And I think it's

00:27:36.880 in principle possible

00:27:38.240 that we have that now.

00:27:39.740 You know,

00:27:39.920 we have a kind

00:27:41.560 of unwilling,

00:27:42.700 you know,

00:27:43.100 a sort of unknowing,

00:27:44.600 compliant public.

00:27:45.640 We have nonsensical

00:27:49.000 government directives

00:27:50.740 that want to create

00:27:52.940 their own narrative.

00:27:53.940 I mean,

00:27:54.120 our mainstream journalism

00:27:55.820 now wants to create

00:27:57.800 a narrative

00:27:58.180 and have facts

00:27:59.420 fit that narrative

00:28:00.260 as opposed to creating

00:28:01.840 a narrative

00:28:02.260 out of the facts

00:28:03.260 by following them

00:28:04.100 to their logical conclusion.

00:28:05.480 I think we've been

00:28:05.980 seeing that for,

00:28:06.860 you know,

00:28:08.260 a decade or two

00:28:08.940 or maybe three by now,

00:28:10.600 you know,

00:28:11.040 we are nothing

00:28:12.940 if not informed

00:28:14.680 by our past.

00:28:15.740 If we forget

00:28:17.100 where we've come from,

00:28:18.240 if we forget,

00:28:19.220 I mean,

00:28:19.380 as horrible as it is

00:28:20.320 to think of,

00:28:20.860 you mentioned

00:28:21.260 the medical experiments

00:28:22.340 of the Nazis,

00:28:23.180 as horrible as it is

00:28:24.220 to think of,

00:28:25.600 we don't have the luxury

00:28:26.900 of not having

00:28:28.540 that historical moment

00:28:31.040 at the forefront

00:28:31.760 of our mind,

00:28:33.100 the forefront

00:28:33.640 of humanity's mind

00:28:34.820 with every step

00:28:36.060 moving forward

00:28:36.980 for the rest

00:28:37.720 of eternity

00:28:38.380 because that reminds us,

00:28:41.060 that gives us humility.

00:28:42.120 It helps us

00:28:43.740 to stay

00:28:44.340 on a better path,

00:28:45.980 right?

00:28:46.740 And so,

00:28:47.680 to dismiss

00:28:48.520 that argument,

00:28:49.820 to say that

00:28:50.600 we can't talk

00:28:52.560 about the Holocaust

00:28:53.760 anymore,

00:28:54.520 we can't talk

00:28:55.400 about not just,

00:28:57.420 you know,

00:28:57.700 what disturbs me

00:28:58.340 about that,

00:28:59.120 what disturbs me now

00:29:00.340 is not that

00:29:01.560 we would have

00:29:02.460 some kind of

00:29:03.140 authoritarian government

00:29:04.300 or more specifically

00:29:05.640 public health officials,

00:29:06.640 but that we would

00:29:07.700 have a public

00:29:08.500 so compliant

00:29:09.920 that we come

00:29:11.080 to believe

00:29:11.740 that what we are

00:29:12.940 doing is good

00:29:14.000 and virtuous

00:29:14.780 and pure

00:29:15.580 and clean.

00:29:16.200 We mentioned

00:29:16.580 that kind of language

00:29:17.380 in the context

00:29:18.100 of the Austrian

00:29:18.820 lockdown situation

00:29:20.300 and this sort of

00:29:21.400 purity culture

00:29:22.240 is tied to

00:29:23.160 cancel culture

00:29:23.980 and we have

00:29:25.220 done this

00:29:25.900 for the whole

00:29:26.520 history of humankind

00:29:27.620 and we're not

00:29:29.020 just talking

00:29:29.520 about physical

00:29:30.160 kinds of purity,

00:29:31.060 right?

00:29:31.780 We're talking

00:29:32.260 about moral,

00:29:34.600 psychic kinds

00:29:36.200 of purity

00:29:37.060 and we don't

00:29:37.940 want unclean ideas,

00:29:40.860 the wrong kinds

00:29:41.840 of ideas

00:29:42.380 to infiltrate

00:29:43.700 and infect us.

00:29:44.920 We don't want

00:29:45.320 the wrong,

00:29:46.260 the dirty kinds

00:29:47.360 of people,

00:29:48.100 you know?

00:29:48.380 I mean,

00:29:48.640 this is Jim Crow 0.58

00:29:49.380 language and all

00:29:50.840 over again.

00:29:51.280 There's another

00:29:51.860 analogy that nobody

00:29:52.960 wants to allow

00:29:53.880 but the kind

00:29:55.440 of discrimination,

00:29:56.520 the kind

00:29:57.080 of non-discrimination

00:29:58.820 that we're seeing

00:30:01.580 now is incredibly

00:30:02.420 reminiscent

00:30:02.940 and history

00:30:04.280 is our ally.

00:30:05.880 If we close

00:30:06.900 ourselves off

00:30:07.740 to it,

00:30:08.220 we don't do

00:30:09.040 ourselves,

00:30:10.280 our children,

00:30:11.580 the future

00:30:12.020 of humanity

00:30:12.560 any favors.

00:30:14.360 Wow.

00:30:14.980 Well, I can

00:30:15.420 hardly wait

00:30:15.880 until your remarks

00:30:16.620 on Wednesday.

00:30:17.860 For those who

00:30:18.380 want tickets,

00:30:19.000 you can go to

00:30:20.020 thedemocracyfund.ca

00:30:22.760 and we'll put

00:30:23.380 that link

00:30:24.400 below the video,

00:30:25.240 thedemocracyfund.ca.

00:30:26.820 There's two ways

00:30:27.660 to participate.

00:30:28.380 One is to attend

00:30:29.140 in person.

00:30:30.280 It's about half

00:30:31.020 an hour east

00:30:31.600 of Toronto

00:30:32.080 in the town

00:30:32.480 of Whitby

00:30:33.000 where our last

00:30:34.460 two events

00:30:34.900 have been.

00:30:35.100 It's really fun

00:30:35.860 to go in person

00:30:36.660 just to be

00:30:37.260 with normal

00:30:38.300 human contact

00:30:39.620 again.

00:30:40.320 But for those

00:30:41.020 who can't make

00:30:42.040 it or are far

00:30:42.860 away,

00:30:43.760 you can actually

00:30:44.560 watch the whole

00:30:45.240 thing.

00:30:45.400 You can get

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00:30:57.000 in person.

00:30:57.680 I'll be there.

00:30:58.340 Dr. Julie will

00:30:59.040 be there in person

00:30:59.680 or join by Zoom

00:31:01.160 and that's how

00:31:01.680 John Stossel

00:31:02.500 will join.

00:31:03.800 So I can hardly

00:31:04.700 wait to see folks

00:31:05.480 there.

00:31:05.740 Last point,

00:31:07.220 I know that

00:31:08.600 you are working

00:31:09.560 on a very special

00:31:10.640 project and we're

00:31:11.360 not ready to

00:31:11.940 announce it yet,

00:31:13.020 but give folks

00:31:14.000 a little teaser.

00:31:14.920 What have you been

00:31:15.460 up to these last

00:31:16.220 weeks?

00:31:16.580 Working very,

00:31:19.120 very hard at

00:31:20.360 a little book

00:31:21.120 and, you know,

00:31:23.620 this book is

00:31:24.260 going to partly

00:31:25.600 tell my story,

00:31:27.860 how the pandemic

00:31:29.420 response has

00:31:30.300 impacted me,

00:31:31.400 but I think much

00:31:32.600 more importantly

00:31:33.720 than that,

00:31:34.820 it's intended to

00:31:36.080 be a conversation

00:31:37.340 opener, a way

00:31:38.860 to, you know,

00:31:40.140 crack the narrative

00:31:41.180 and open up the

00:31:42.300 kind of dialogue

00:31:42.940 that I think we

00:31:43.600 should have seen

00:31:44.220 all along.

00:31:44.880 In it, I talk

00:31:46.640 about, you know,

00:31:47.600 how we got here,

00:31:49.200 what some of the

00:31:50.040 ethical problems

00:31:50.840 with the pandemic

00:31:51.480 response are,

00:31:52.620 and what kind of

00:31:53.860 hope we can have

00:31:54.600 for the future

00:31:55.240 and how we can

00:31:56.580 correct this

00:31:57.520 misstep and set

00:31:58.940 things up for

00:31:59.620 a more promising

00:32:00.600 future for ourselves

00:32:02.060 and our children.

00:32:03.260 Well, I can hardly

00:32:04.080 wait and when that

00:32:05.080 book is ready,

00:32:06.060 please come back

00:32:06.820 on the show and

00:32:07.780 I just know that

00:32:09.660 so many of our

00:32:10.380 viewers would love

00:32:11.280 to hear about the

00:32:11.820 book, would love

00:32:12.240 to buy the book.

00:32:14.000 I'm one of them.

00:32:14.880 And, you know,

00:32:16.420 it sounds like a

00:32:16.940 great Christmas

00:32:17.660 gift, too.

00:32:18.220 I just, I'm so

00:32:19.340 glad you're doing

00:32:20.200 that book and I

00:32:21.560 can't wait for it

00:32:22.280 to be ready.

00:32:22.700 I understand that

00:32:23.480 it will be ready,

00:32:26.620 in fact, for

00:32:27.100 Christmas.

00:32:27.480 Is that right?

00:32:28.260 It should be.

00:32:29.220 It's been a

00:32:29.620 tight, tight

00:32:30.200 timeline, but lots

00:32:32.260 of work, lots of

00:32:33.100 thought is going

00:32:33.680 into it.

00:32:34.160 I think it's

00:32:34.520 really important.

00:32:35.820 Well, congratulations.

00:32:36.840 I look forward to

00:32:37.380 seeing you on

00:32:37.840 Wednesday, folks.

00:32:39.120 You can join

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00:32:40.360 you're in the

00:32:40.780 greater Toronto

00:32:41.320 area.

00:32:41.680 Go to

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00:32:43.180 and get the

00:32:44.240 tickets that way.

00:32:44.960 Dr. Julie, keep 0.82

00:32:45.680 up the fight.

00:32:46.400 I am so proud as

00:32:48.360 a Canadian to hear 0.95

00:32:50.000 you say what you're

00:32:51.040 saying because we

00:32:53.400 need so many more

00:32:54.200 people.

00:32:54.400 And the fact that

00:32:55.760 your video at the

00:32:56.980 last town hall has

00:32:58.180 nearly 200,000 views

00:32:59.380 tells me you are

00:33:01.000 filling a void with

00:33:02.600 a combination of

00:33:03.440 smarts and empathy,

00:33:04.880 and I'm just so

00:33:06.040 grateful to you.

00:33:06.620 Thank you for that.

00:33:08.200 Thanks, Ezra.

00:33:08.920 I think people are

00:33:09.540 really thirsty, and

00:33:10.700 they should be.

00:33:11.480 It's reasonable for

00:33:12.220 them to be thirsty,

00:33:13.080 and we need to

00:33:13.560 offer some ideas and

00:33:14.780 some ways to start

00:33:15.740 thinking through, to

00:33:17.720 be honest, the mess

00:33:18.500 that we're in.

00:33:19.700 Well, I know you're

00:33:20.900 helping lead the way

00:33:21.880 with that.

00:33:22.320 There you have it,

00:33:22.780 Dr. Julie Panazzi,

00:33:24.060 the pandemic ethics

00:33:25.180 scholar of the

00:33:26.620 Democracy Fund.

00:33:27.300 She will be one of

00:33:28.120 the keynote speakers

00:33:28.860 on Wednesday.

00:33:30.220 Get your tickets

00:33:30.840 at thedemocracyfund.ca.

00:33:32.980 Stay with us.

00:33:33.500 More ahead.

00:33:37.280 Hey, welcome back.

00:33:50.680 Your viewer

00:33:51.020 feedback, a viewer

00:33:52.700 named Snidey, I'm

00:33:53.940 guessing that's just

00:33:55.100 a nickname, says,

00:33:56.220 of course, the union

00:33:57.780 should be grieving

00:33:58.400 this gross attack on

00:33:59.600 workers' rights.

00:34:00.800 That's what unions

00:34:01.540 are supposed to be

00:34:02.500 for.

00:34:03.920 Yeah, I mean, that's

00:34:04.400 the whole idea of

00:34:04.940 collective bargaining

00:34:05.600 is that by banding

00:34:06.440 together, you're

00:34:07.260 you have more

00:34:07.720 strength, a bargaining

00:34:09.340 strength.

00:34:09.820 If you have one boss,

00:34:11.700 one factory, one Air

00:34:13.580 Canada airline, and

00:34:14.660 hundreds of individual

00:34:15.920 staff, of course, they

00:34:16.740 can be picked off one

00:34:17.480 at a time.

00:34:18.120 But imagine if they

00:34:18.960 actually banded together

00:34:19.860 and say, no, you're

00:34:20.960 not going to pick on

00:34:21.620 him today.

00:34:22.240 You're not going to

00:34:22.700 pick on her today.

00:34:23.880 Isn't that the whole

00:34:24.520 purpose of a union?

00:34:25.880 It's that one

00:34:26.300 uniform guy said, if

00:34:29.100 there's no difference

00:34:30.300 between what the

00:34:30.920 company says and what

00:34:31.760 the union says, one of

00:34:33.100 them is not necessary.

00:34:35.200 Saxon Steel says,

00:34:36.000 thanks, Ezra, for

00:34:37.340 helping those who have

00:34:38.740 been duped by their

00:34:39.740 union.

00:34:40.280 Unions are being

00:34:40.920 bribed by the Trudeau

00:34:42.020 government, just like

00:34:43.500 courts and provincial

00:34:44.460 legislatures are being

00:34:45.420 manipulated, all for the

00:34:46.840 same global goal of

00:34:47.840 Build Back Better.

00:34:49.460 And the sauce helps

00:34:50.780 reduce the global

00:34:51.960 population, as stated by

00:34:53.180 Gates.

00:34:54.820 I don't know if the

00:34:56.240 vaccine will reduce the

00:34:57.900 global population.

00:34:58.780 I don't know.

00:35:00.020 I know that there have

00:35:00.960 been more vaccine

00:35:01.760 injuries in the last year

00:35:02.880 than all of history

00:35:04.100 combined.

00:35:05.540 So I'm going to put that

00:35:06.660 factual observation

00:35:07.640 aside.

00:35:08.100 I don't think we know

00:35:08.820 that yet.

00:35:09.520 But the point is that it

00:35:12.180 is true these unions are

00:35:13.520 bought off in the same

00:35:14.660 way that the media is.

00:35:16.640 I mean, where has the

00:35:17.480 media been the last two

00:35:18.460 years?

00:35:18.760 Well, I'll tell you where

00:35:19.720 it's been.

00:35:20.440 Cashing checks from Justin

00:35:21.660 Trudeau for hundreds of

00:35:23.100 millions of dollars.

00:35:23.900 You don't expect them to

00:35:24.960 fight back.

00:35:25.460 Uniform run by Jerry

00:35:26.460 Diaz, close ally of Justin

00:35:28.380 Trudeau.

00:35:29.300 So the union bosses are

00:35:30.700 captured by the

00:35:32.180 government or by the

00:35:33.100 corporations.

00:35:33.940 It's so odd that these

00:35:35.260 words are coming out of

00:35:35.960 my mouth, but how can I

00:35:36.940 deny what my eyes see?

00:35:39.700 Someone with the nickname

00:35:40.780 C1Cast says, this is not

00:35:43.140 an anti-vax crusade.

00:35:44.500 It is a freedom of choice

00:35:45.500 crusade.

00:35:46.340 It is also freedom of

00:35:47.460 choice of everything

00:35:48.460 crusade, not just

00:35:49.880 health care.

00:35:50.760 We have lost our

00:35:51.520 personal privacy through

00:35:52.540 computer, cell phones,

00:35:53.820 security camera intrusions

00:35:54.840 into our lives.

00:35:55.760 When you lose your

00:35:56.660 privacy, you lose your

00:35:58.100 freedom.

00:35:59.980 There's a lot of truth

00:36:00.960 to that.

00:36:01.200 You know, the other

00:36:01.780 day, the governor of

00:36:03.340 California, Gavin Newsom,

00:36:05.020 disappeared for almost

00:36:05.980 two weeks.

00:36:07.220 There were plenty of

00:36:08.320 speculations.

00:36:10.520 The last time he was

00:36:11.740 seen was when he was

00:36:13.200 getting a booster shot,

00:36:14.200 so people thought, oh,

00:36:14.960 my God, did he have a

00:36:16.120 vaccine injury?

00:36:16.800 Did he get Bell's

00:36:17.580 palsy, which makes you

00:36:19.260 lose the nervous control

00:36:20.400 of part of your face for

00:36:21.280 a while?

00:36:22.340 And in the end, he did

00:36:23.640 reemerge, and he looked

00:36:24.520 fine afterwards.

00:36:25.700 Maybe it was just

00:36:26.300 temporary.

00:36:26.800 Maybe he had some

00:36:27.420 personal issues he was

00:36:28.300 dealing with.

00:36:28.720 But as one observer

00:36:30.640 said, I don't have

00:36:33.000 medical privacy from

00:36:34.340 him.

00:36:35.220 I bloody well demand

00:36:36.240 to know where he was.

00:36:37.940 You see, that's the

00:36:39.000 thing.

00:36:39.300 None of these things go

00:36:40.300 two ways.

00:36:41.720 Well, that's our show

00:36:42.600 for today.

00:36:43.640 Until tomorrow, on

00:36:44.620 behalf of all of us here

00:36:45.600 at Rebel World

00:36:46.120 Headquarters, to you at

00:36:47.100 home, good night.

00:36:48.300 And keep fighting for

00:36:49.060 freedom.

00:36:49.940 And let me leave you

00:36:50.680 with an interview with

00:36:51.460 a Toronto firefighter, a

00:36:53.400 true hero, literally

00:36:54.500 someone who would rush

00:36:55.580 into a burning building

00:36:56.520 to save you.

00:36:57.300 But if he's not

00:36:58.780 vaxxed, well, we can't

00:37:00.760 have him around.

00:37:01.500 Take a look at this.

00:37:02.300 The virus has affected

00:37:03.380 all of our lives.

00:37:05.080 But through it, we've

00:37:05.980 seen Canadians from

00:37:07.020 coast to coast to

00:37:08.080 coast lend a hand, make

00:37:10.180 personal sacrifices, and

00:37:12.180 help others.

00:37:13.440 This is especially true

00:37:15.180 for those working on the

00:37:16.280 front lines of the

00:37:17.200 pandemic.

00:37:18.100 They are the everyday

00:37:19.520 heroes who we cheered on

00:37:21.180 and hung signs in our

00:37:22.760 windows for.

00:37:23.420 I've been active due to

00:37:24.440 the firefighter for five

00:37:25.180 years, going on six

00:37:26.020 this coming March.

00:37:27.140 As it stands right now,

00:37:28.080 I'm currently suspended

00:37:28.920 without pay.

00:37:30.100 I'm not sure what I'm

00:37:30.720 going to be doing to

00:37:32.040 take care of my family,

00:37:33.580 to do whatever I need

00:37:34.420 to do to ensure that

00:37:35.380 the future is secure.

00:37:39.820 Lincoln J for Rebel

00:37:40.940 News here in Toronto.

00:37:42.300 Now, for the past 20

00:37:43.760 months, frontline workers

00:37:45.380 have been declared heroes

00:37:46.800 for their continuous work

00:37:48.300 throughout the pandemic.

00:37:49.760 Those same heroes are

00:37:51.520 now being put out of

00:37:52.540 work for simply refusing

00:37:54.280 to take the COVID-19

00:37:55.760 vaccine.

00:37:56.620 I had the chance to

00:37:57.380 speak with one of those

00:37:58.160 frontline workers, Andrew

00:37:59.460 Mason, a Toronto

00:38:00.680 firefighter who has been

00:38:01.800 placed on suspension

00:38:02.900 without pay for not

00:38:04.940 disclosing his

00:38:05.680 vaccination status.

00:38:07.040 Andrew has a family to

00:38:08.460 provide for and bills to

00:38:10.120 pay.

00:38:10.700 He has worked without

00:38:11.600 second thought through

00:38:12.620 the entire pandemic and

00:38:14.020 is now being left out to

00:38:15.540 dry.

00:38:16.080 Have a listen to Andrew's

00:38:17.300 story.

00:38:18.320 Well, I'm from Jamaica,

00:38:19.520 moved to Canada in 2001.

00:38:20.920 I went to high school and

00:38:23.440 Western Technical and

00:38:24.320 Commercial School.

00:38:26.260 From that point on, I just

00:38:28.840 got into the working field

00:38:29.840 after I graduated from

00:38:30.720 high school.

00:38:32.560 I had a friend of mine that

00:38:33.620 introduced me to

00:38:35.040 firefighting through the

00:38:36.400 newspaper.

00:38:37.020 So he told me to give it

00:38:39.220 a go.

00:38:40.460 So I said, you know what?

00:38:42.120 I would.

00:38:43.340 Went out to the seminar, got

00:38:44.680 into it, spoke to a few

00:38:45.560 guys.

00:38:46.820 They got me really

00:38:48.180 interested because it was

00:38:49.040 more like a brotherhood.

00:38:49.960 So I was really interested

00:38:51.320 in getting somewhere that

00:38:52.580 way you could feel like a

00:38:53.660 closest family while you're

00:38:54.680 doing your work and get

00:38:55.860 you motivated, helping

00:38:57.080 people and being close to

00:38:57.980 the guys that you're

00:38:58.460 working with at the same

00:38:59.120 time.

00:38:59.500 So that's how I got into

00:39:01.140 it, fell in love with it

00:39:03.180 from that point on.

00:39:04.480 I've been active duty

00:39:05.160 firefighter for five years

00:39:06.120 going on, six this coming

00:39:07.200 March.

00:39:08.160 With the mandatory vaccine

00:39:09.540 requirements in place for

00:39:11.080 Toronto Fire Services, where

00:39:12.460 does this leave you?

00:39:13.120 Well, it leaves me basically

00:39:15.180 hopeless because I'm not

00:39:16.100 sure what I'm going to be

00:39:16.760 doing to take care of my

00:39:18.580 family, to do whatever I

00:39:20.100 need to do to ensure that

00:39:21.180 the future is secure.

00:39:23.100 As it stands right now, I'm

00:39:24.120 currently suspended without

00:39:25.540 pay.

00:39:26.260 I have no income coming in.

00:39:28.360 I have no clue what I will

00:39:30.700 be doing.

00:39:31.460 It's leaving me in

00:39:32.040 uncertainty because we have

00:39:32.880 no idea what's really going

00:39:33.840 on between the negotiations

00:39:34.820 and the government.

Rebel News Podcast - November 16, 2021

EZRA LEVANT ｜ What if someone says he’ll punch you in the face, and he won’t cry at your funeral — but then he dies suddenly？

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