EZRA LEVANT ｜ What the West doesn't realize about Afghanistan： Callum Darragh
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A fascinating interview with Callum Dara, who went to Afghanistan as a kind of citizen journalist, reports on what he saw, including a Canadian Taliban fighter who was just so excited to see someone who spoke English with them. We ll have the whole scoop.
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Hello, my friends. What a fascinating interview we have for you today. Unreal.
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Callum Dara, who went to Afghanistan as a kind of citizen journalist,
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reports on what he saw, including a Canadian Taliban who was just so excited
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to see someone who spoke English with them. We'll have the whole scoop.
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You know, I only meant to talk to Callum for, I don't know, 10 or 15 minutes,
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but almost an hour went by. He just kept on telling me the most
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outrageous and incredible things, and they're terrifying, too. I think
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this is an important interview. Pour yourself a cup of coffee or tea and sit down and
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listen to Callum Dara. Hey, before I go, let me invite you to get the video version of that.
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We're going to show some of his footage from Afghanistan. Just go to rebelnewsplus.com,
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Tonight, a feature interview with a citizen journalist who went to Afghanistan amongst his
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crazy stories when he met a Canadian Taliban fighter. We'll tell you that story and many
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more. It's an interview you don't want to miss. It's July 17th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.
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Yesterday, I told you about this crazy word, super injunction, which is an injunction that you
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can't even talk about, because there's an injunction covering the injunction, and maybe
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another super duper injunction is needed, so you can't even talk about that one. What's so insane
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about the super injunction? It was the British government itself that asked the courts to
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silence any coverage of what they were doing. This was not some private legal matter. This was not
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protecting the identity of someone who was alleged to have committed or been a victim of, say,
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a sexual offense, and maybe confidentiality would be appropriate. This was a government engaged in a
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massive secret airlift of tens of thousands of Afghans, allegedly translators, though we read that
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there were only a thousand interpreters total, and the flights and the accommodation and the
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expenditure of seven billion pounds, which is more than 10 billion Canadian dollars. That is what was
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made secret over the course of an election, and it was the conservative government that kept it a secret
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first, and then the labor government that won the election agreed to keep it a secret. Such an
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astonishing thing, and I thought, let's talk to a Brit who knows a little bit about the strange goings-on
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of their government. You might recall our last interview with our guest today was when he was
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arrested, or detained at least, and subject to hours of grilling about his journeys around the world.
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No charges laid, just the abuse of the Terrorism Act, which we know from our friend Tommy Robinson,
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can be used for any reason or no reason, just to subject you to questions for six hours, and you have
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no right to remain silent. There are some quite quirky things about the UK. You wouldn't believe they were
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the cradle of freedom of speech not long ago. Joining us now to talk a little bit about what Afghanistan is
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like, and what many of these thousands of new Brits might be like, is Callum Dara, a journalist and
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travel adventurer journalist, I would say. Callum, great to see you again.
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I'm doing well. I am doing slightly better as a Canadian, I think, than I would be doing if I was a Brit.
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If I was a Brit, I would have my faith in democracy shaken that two different opposing parties can collude with
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the courts to silence any discussion or any knowledge about such a key factor. Even MPs were barred from
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knowing it. How does that make you feel as a Brit? I mean, I'm not picking on you. You're just the only
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Brit I know who's been to Afghanistan. We'll talk about that later. What do you think of this whole
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Well, I mean, for a while, I mean, pretty much everyone I know now considers the British government
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deeply illegitimate as an organization, because as you mentioned, the two major parties colluded on
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this. It's not the first thing they've colluded on. And what are they colluding to do? Well,
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everything they can seemingly to destroy the native population, just anything against their interest
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seems to be what they want. And then you have this extra aspect of censoring it. Like you say,
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the super injunction, it's a huge deal. And it's not the first time they've done super injunctions or
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weird censorship or cracking down on people who say the wrong things, you know, visiting pensioners
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for criticizing government policy, and then saying they're going to charge up the hate crime
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legislation. I mean, there's just so many layers to this. So the average British person now is just
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so done, just utterly finished with the people in the establishment. I mean, you see the rising sport
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for reform, and they were always considered a bit of a protest party. And that protest is
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fundamentally. We're done with the entire former elites. Like every single one of you sucks.
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Yeah. It's astonishing to me how Reform UK under Nigel Farage is doing in so many of these council
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elections. I actually went to a by-election up north, a seat that became vacant because the Labour MP was
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caught beating up someone on videotape. He had to resign. There was a by-election. It was one of the
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safest Labour seats in the country, and it flipped to reform. And I went there and I saw the very simple
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slogan, Callum. It was, freeze immigration, stop the boats. I think that is what resonated. And I think
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ordinary Brits who sort of are apolitical or non-political, or even in the past have been sort
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of Labourite. I think they're saying this is so out of control. So the timing of this revelation,
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you know, people are primed to be against immigration. I think they really did try and
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avoid this becoming an election issue. I really think that the media party, the court party,
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and the political parties colluded to keep this out of the election. I think this would have given
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reform UK many more than the half dozen seats they got. What do you make of the timing of all this?
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Was it an election suppression thing? What do you think people, what do you think the effects will be
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from now forward? I'm trying to recall the exact timing of when they made it censored, but the feeling
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I get from watching people who have interacted with the state, I mean, the main part people should look
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to right now is Dominic Cummings. So he used to be a special advisor to Boris Johnson, and he spent the last
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month basically going out and doing these interviews saying, hey, guys, here's how the state actually
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works at a granular level. And the fundamental premise is always covering up Whitehall's fuck-ups.
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Right. And Whitehall is sort of the... Whitehall is the senior bureaucrats. Is that right?
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Yeah. So basically his description is that when the Conservative Party were in charge,
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what's the weird aspect is that none of the ministers or the prime minister wanted to run the
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country. They wanted to win the election and then do media stuff. So the actual running of the country
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was left to bureaucrats. And bureaucrats, they have their own objectives, so they just do those.
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And those objectives don't align with the public. Big surprise. So when it comes to them censoring
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this, this is very similar to the grooming gangs, where a lot of the censorship was permitted and
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greenlit because it was showing failures within the system. If the bureaucrats were being shown to be
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effing up their job and not protecting the British people because the system is corrupt, that's when
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they'd institute censorship. And this is exactly the same situation.
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You know, we try and be open-minded to all people in the world. That's sort of a Western trait,
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is to be hospitable and to give people the benefit of the doubt. And there's a very British notion of
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fair play and, you know, I think being on the positive side of things. You know, I was in Eastern Europe
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a year or so ago. And actually, it's also, I was in Iraq and not as dramatically as you were,
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but I was told that I was too smiley. I smiled too easily. And I said, thank you very much
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for trifles. It was just a habit. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. And I was told,
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you're coming across as an idiot because you're being effusive in your language. Over here,
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you look like a dummy who can be conned and tricked because you're so goofy and Western and
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you're treating everyone naively. I was sort of scolded for being, hey, hi, thanks, please. And
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I think that's the difference between living in a high trust society where everyone is sort of
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hail fellow well met and a stranger is just a friend you haven't met yet. Whereas if you're in Erbil,
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Iraq, like I was, or even in parts of Eastern Europe, it's a tougher, harsher world. And I think
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any country that would open itself up to ordinary Afghan peasant, you know, Afghanistan annual GDP per
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capita, 450 bucks, any country that would bring in tens of thousands of Afghan men with their views on
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women and their views on rape and their views on homosexuality and their views on, you know,
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theft and their views on crime. I think you're the dopey Westerner who is, yeah, come on in guys.
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What could go wrong? I think that the Afghans are amongst the most, and I'm saying this not as a
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prejudice, but as an observation, the crime rate committed by Afghans in Germany and in UK and in
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Sweden and other places where it's tracked is 10, 20, 30, 40 times higher than for the domestic
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populations. Am I wrong on that? No, I mean, those facts have been known for what, at least 10 years
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now? Ever since the migrant crisis started, we had loads of Afghans coming over. And I mean, to anyone
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who'd been to Afghanistan, it wasn't a shock. Massive increased rates of rape, sexual assault,
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violence. And it was like, well, okay, now that we know that information, what do we do with it?
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That's, that's usually what you do. But every Western nation took the position of, oh, that's
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interesting. Let's just bring more of them, which is mad. That was just absolutely madness.
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I want to play a clip very briefly. I showed this yesterday. This is a Vice documentary,
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um, showing British officers dealing with their Afghan counterparts. And they were raising the
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sensitive subject that every night the Afghan leaders would rape young boys and it would,
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and the screams of those boys would wake up the British and in some cases American and Canadian
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troops. And that was just how it is. Here's a clip from a Vice documentary in Afghanistan.
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Before that briefing had happened, Major Stuber knew that three young boys had been shot dead
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on police patrol bases. All three of them were chai boys. So young boys who'd been abducted by the
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police commanders and were used as servants. They served tea, but also sex slaves. They're,
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And you see them on every base. You see, you see several boys, sometimes in uniform,
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sometimes not, but 13, 14 years old. It's, it's very common practice there.
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Three of them have been shot dead by the police, one possibly by another chai boy. Nobody's quite
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sure. And he's just found out that a fourth boy has been shot at point blank range in the leg
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for, for trying to escape. And, you know, I was there. So he, he let me follow him to meet the
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acting police chief and confront him about this.
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Yesterday we had unfortunate news come in a young boy about 13, 14 years of age was shot. Now there's
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a couple of things on there that, that you and I have talked about. We've, we've had, we've had all
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the PB commanders in this very room about having young boys and civilians on PBs.
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I have mentioned it more than 20 times. I know. I know.
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Why was there a boy on that PB? Why is, what did that commander say to you?
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I have heard that that, that information, that knowledge that the quote allies of the West
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were raping boys has been a source of PTSD for many soldiers who encountered it. Tell me about
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your own travels to Afghanistan is rape culture that normal. Like you saw that, uh, that Afghan
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leader saying, what do you want me to do? You know, uh, screw a grandma, this, these boys. It's
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like he was, he was defiant. He was almost boastful about it. He w he wasn't denying it. He wasn't
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ashamed by it. He was saying, this is how we do it here. What do you make of that?
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Well, I'll tell you a story. So we're driving down in Kabul and it's me, my friend, Lord Miles. And
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then we've got a taxi driver. He's an Afghan. Uh, interesting other story. That guy had a broken
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into Europe back in 2016. And then came back to Afghanistan because he wasn't actually fleeing
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anything. He was just bored. Whole other story. So we're driving, we get to these checkpoints.
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There's checkpoints every 500 meters in the city and the Taliban, they look in the car, see if you've
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got anything weird and maybe pull you out. So quite rare they actually pull you out, but
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they did on one checkpoint barat. This guy comes over, he's patting me down. And I say
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a few words to Pashtu to him. He looks back at me and is all excited, starts blabbering in
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Pashtu. And I'm like, oh crap. Uh, English, English. Oh, English. English. Okay. Guy comes
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over. Full gear. AK looks at us and goes, oh, hi guys. How you doing? Well, what the
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fuck? Um, hey mate. Yeah. We're from England. And he goes, oh, I'm from Canada.
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What? You joined the Taliban? And he's like, yeah, yeah. I came over to fight the jihad.
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My parents took a move to Canada and I grew up there and it was terrible. And we're like,
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okay, buddy. So we're chatting away. We're trying to get an interview. And he's like, no,
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no, no. And we're like, oh, okay. We're going to have to head off then. And the driver taps
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us. He's like, we got to go now. Now. I'm like, oh, okay. Hey, see you, guy. He's
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like, bye. Get back to the car. Drive off. We're like, what was the problem? He said,
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oh, the older Taliban in the back. We're looking at you two white boys with blue eyes and muttering
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about how beautiful you are. Oh my God. Oh my God. Cause you've got no recourse. If
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they want to take you, what are you going to do? Cry? They've got guns. So we're talking
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to the driver. We're like, okay, so how common is that? I'd heard it's out here. And he
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says, well, it's a bit of a regional thing because Afghanistan is divided into different
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ethnic groups. And in the South, he says, the people down there, they're really into boy
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love. Bakubazi, as it gets called. And you'll see them driving around sometimes. And it looks
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like bring your son to work day, but you know, it's not their son. So we're like, okay, what
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about the rest of the Afghans? Do you think it's disgusting? And he said, oh yeah, up in the
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North. We think this is vile. A whole bunch of ethnic groups don't do this. We think it's
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against Islam, but the guys in the South, they don't care. It's like, oh, okay. So what
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do you, what do you say about it? He's like, we have a saying. When a bird flies over the
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South, it flies with one wing because it needs the other to cover its asshole. Oh yeah. All
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right, buddy. So we, we, we keep carrying on. We end up at the Kabul zoo. In fact, later on
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the trip. And these Taliban are looking at us taking pictures of the animals. So they're
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like, oh, why are you here? What are you doing? Well, oh, fair enough. You know, then the
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government, white people, we should explain. We have tourism, blah, blah, blah. And my
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friend says, crack the joke to them. Say we don't like people in the South because they
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do boy love. And the translator goes, hang on. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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They're from Kandahar, mate. I'm not telling them the joke. They're from the South. Ah, okay.
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Good job. And then we got to take pictures. And these guys are like touching our arms to,
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you know, carry around, take a picture. Now us in the West, we think that's pretty normal.
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You and the boys lock arms, take a photo. And Afghanistan, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You
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do not touch your hands to yourself. So these guys are doing this. And then we realize, oh
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no, oh, they're not looking at us because we want to be friends. So then we'll make excuses.
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We're like, we're going to go. We've got a place to be. Sorry, guys. Chat to you later.
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And they're like, oh, I'll talk to you later. I'm like, we go back to the compound. I felt
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physically sick. Like it's the first time I felt utterly revolted because not only do
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you know that they could do this, nothing you can do, but then also they think that's
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normal. Yeah. And they're doing this to young boys and you're like, right. They think that's
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normal. They think that should be legal. And then when you get home, you research it and
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it's not like it's a Taliban versus non-Taliban thing. The old government, the guys we were
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supporting, like you're showing that clip. Those were the guys we put in power. We were
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paying their salaries, et cetera. And they were doing that and thinking it's completely
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normal. And guess what? Those are the people you've brought to the West now. Thanks. I
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absolutely wonderful. I mean, I don't know why we couldn't just put them in Pakistan or
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Saudi or some other regional country like Kazakhstan, but instead, no, we're going to
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bring them to the West. Then they're going to bring that attitude. And it's not just for
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young girls. They're going to be raping young boys. They're pretty happy on and even
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grown men. So it's not just your daughter. You've got to worry about it yourself.
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Wow. You know, you make me remember, I wrote a book about Omar Cotter. That was a Canadian
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terrorist who went overseas and murdered some Americans. I got to know the psychiatrist,
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the forensic psychiatrist who dealt with him at Guantanamo Bay, who believes that Omar Cotter,
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because he was a teenager, he was raped by Al-Qaeda Taliban. And that was the one thing in all
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their interrogations when it was raised, he sort of got defensive and anxious about, I
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totally believe it. And you can imagine how generation after generation, men who themselves
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were abused become abusers. And especially if the culture normalizes it, at least in Western society,
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sexual abuse is a taboo. It's frowned upon. If it's done, it's usually done by a predator
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who uses secrecy or stealth. But it, you know, it sounds so open in Afghanistan. And one of the
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terrifying things we've learned lately about the Pakistani grooming gangs in the UK or Syrians
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is that they do it as friends, as family members, even like there's not even like, there's no shame
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even amongst the family. If a member of the family is engaging in rape, he calls the other family or
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friends over to participate in it. The craziest story I ever wrote for the Toronto Sun, and I was sort of
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surprised they let it through, but it was factually accurate, was a bus in Pakistan where there was a boy
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on it, and men at the back of the bus started raping the boy. And the bus driver, instead of calling the
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cops, pulled the bus over and joined in. The Western high trust society that we've taken centuries to
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build, if a woman says, help, help, men come and help. But in this mindset of the rape culture,
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help, help means get in on it. And I, we don't realize how many centuries it took us as the West
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to build a culture where women are safe, where the default is to respect and protect women,
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that a taxi driver who picks up a drunk woman at the bar at 1 a.m. to take her home, his instinct is
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protective, not take advantage. So many cases of taxis, including in Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada,
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a series of rape charges against taxi drivers from Arabia who just can't believe that the men would
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let their women out. I mean, the whole idea of a male guardian entrusting women in a burqa is that's
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how you defend against this rape culture. How do you raise a woman in the rape culture where you put a
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sack over her and you make sure she's never out of reach of a man? It's insane. And that's being
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brought to the UK by the tens of thousands. I think the number is now, whilst they include
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the extended family you come with, up to 150,000. So that's a whole town that just forever is now
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going to be Afghan. Thanks. Great. And the aspect you say there about women, hey, it's not just women.
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You've also, as you mentioned, the boys. And with me being there, grown adults, also fair game.
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It's, it's, you've all got to be worried about that. But getting to Canada, I just want to mention,
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they mentioned of that 150,000 that are coming, they said, oh, well, we had to keep it all secret.
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And part of the reason for that is we didn't do any checks. We don't know who these people are.
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So they say they're an interpreter. I mean, some of them said they were cooks, which I'm not really
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sure how serving a British guy a meal entails you to an infinite permanent residence in Britain,
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but whatever. So then you've got people who are just lying. Yeah. And then you've, they came out
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and said, oh, by the way, some of the people we did let in, we actually had done checks on because
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that was before we ran out of time. We knew there was security risk and we brought them in anyway.
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So now they're here. So we've just got terrorists here. Great. Great. Thanks.
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I understand that one of the Afghans who sort of threatened to extort the Ministry of Defense
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by shopping some list to Taliban, he himself, the extorter, was allowed in. I mean,
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I, uh, is there any way to reverse this? Well, first, let me ask you this. The news sources I
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follow were often citizen journalists like yourself, um, podcasters, bloggers, alternative
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media. And there were a couple of, I call the mainstream media who were actually trying to
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get this super injunction lifted. Now they went big on the story. It's true. But when I checked the BBC
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homepage, they were trying to downplay this story tremendously. There was some, you know,
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cooking show that was the story of the day or something. I, how this should be, in my view,
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the biggest story in the United Kingdom. It should be such a scandal that an election should be held
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because they deprive the people of, I think, what could have been the most important election issue.
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That's how I feel over here in Canada, though. What does it look like in the UK? Has this permeated
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into ordinary conversation? Has the media tried to dampen it? Or is this a wild story?
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So online and in right-wing media, it exists. On the BBC, it was wiped from the front page. It just
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wasn't there. It's like you say. As for a solution, I mean, I mentioned Canada because I mentioned
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there was terrorists come to the UK. When I was in Afghanistan, there was a guy running a compound
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moron. And he had some level of security clearance. He was looking us up. So I hanged out with him
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after he's cleared us up. I'm like, oh, buddy, what are you going to do for work? Because there's
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like no one in this hotel. It's just us. So he says, yeah, yeah, that's how it's going. So I'm
00:24:02.860
looking up security work right now. There's a guy who wants to hire me in Canada because Canada has
00:24:07.440
let in loads and loads of people, the exact same situation. And they also did no checks.
00:24:13.340
Like what? He's like, yeah. So they're hiring anyone who has any expertise in Afghanistan to check who
00:24:19.480
these people are for counterterrorism purposes. Nevermind the other risks that evolve that we
00:24:24.420
talked about. Yeah. So I'm like, oh, okay. So when I get home, it turns out in Canada, the Taliban
00:24:29.720
is still listed as a terrorist organization. I don't know if that's still the case, but it was three
00:24:33.680
years ago when I was talking about this. And watching things play out. I mean, this is going to be
00:24:40.000
controversial for some people, but honestly, keep in mind, in Afghanistan, there is no choice between
00:24:46.740
the Taliban government and liberal democracy where there's women's rights and blah, blah,
00:24:50.900
blah, blah, blah, blah. And all this, you know, fantasy. The options in Afghanistan are the Taliban
00:24:54.520
or ISIS. Okay. That's your two options for the government right now. Yeah.
00:25:00.160
So the Taliban are in charge. And when I spoke to the Taliban at the parade we attended, I asked them,
00:25:05.720
what's the justification for this state? And they justified on ethnic lines, not religious. They
00:25:09.600
were like, hey, we're real Afghans. We want to run Afghanistan. It's going to be an Islamic
00:25:12.660
country, an Islamic state, but they weren't making these claims of, we're going to take
00:25:16.980
up the whole world. There was just one guy that claimed that he was not part of the organization.
00:25:22.360
So when I look at Afghanistan, what they've done since, they issued an amnesty for those
00:25:28.020
who fought against the government. Some of them then tried to organize a resistance movement.
00:25:32.600
So they got killed. Big surprise. The Russians have just declared that they recognize Afghanistan,
00:25:40.700
Afghanistan, the Islamic state, the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan. It's the new Taliban
00:25:44.160
government. They're the first country to do it. So they've now been an embassy. And when
00:25:48.560
I was there, there were British guys trying to get the contacts to reopen the British one
00:25:52.120
at some point. There seems to be this understanding in international Western governments that we're
00:25:58.180
going to have to recognize them at some point. They've not done anything crazy. We freeze
00:26:04.060
their accounts. We expect them to go on a genocide or something. They didn't do any of
00:26:06.880
that. They want to work with us. We've now got massive populations of Afghans in our
00:26:12.280
countries who have been convicted of rape, convicted of crimes, or are terrorists. They
00:26:17.540
deserve to go home. They deserve to be deported. And we can't do that until we recognize the
00:26:23.100
government in Afghanistan and organize diplomatic relations, et cetera, et cetera. So probably
00:26:28.100
the solution, as unpalatable as it might be to some people, is to just recognize their
00:26:32.300
rule and then start operating with them like any other country, sending back rapists and
00:26:36.420
murderers and such. Now, again, this might be a bit of a bitter taste for a lot of people,
00:26:41.080
but we have to accept we lost. War's over, buddy. And when you lose, you don't get to
00:26:47.700
dictate the outcomes. The people there get to dictate the outcomes. And if we want to engage
00:26:53.480
with that in any way, we've got two options. Work with the Taliban who are in charge. On the
00:26:58.580
opposition or ISIS, who we're just not working with, unless you're a crazy person.
00:27:02.440
Yeah. Oh, my God. We're talking with Kalam Dara, a journalist who has been, as you can hear,
00:27:09.780
on the ground in Afghanistan. Now, you mentioned Canada a couple of times. I'm glad you did. We,
00:27:14.800
of course, are based in Canada, although we have a deep affection for the United Kingdom.
00:27:19.680
Can you tell me a little bit, you mentioned that one guy at the checkpoint, the Canadian who was happy
00:27:24.880
to chat with you. Can you tell me, was he a white, ethnic Canadian who converted to Islam? Or was he
00:27:32.300
an immigrant to Canada who then went back? Like, what was he like? Was he a convert?
00:27:40.540
So he was a brown chap. So his family had immigrated from, I think, Pakistan, Afghanistan,
00:27:45.880
I can't remember, to Canada. And he'd grown up and then had this identity crisis of, hey, I'm a
00:27:52.680
devout Muslim. My family are Muslim. We belong to this motherland back home. It's a war. I should
00:27:58.060
defend my people. So that's why he's back there. Got it. And that's the other aspect to all this
00:28:03.040
migration. It's like, hey, you think these guys are just going to become Anglo-Saxon or Quebecois?
00:28:09.600
Yeah. No. No. Come on. I mean, how much of a problem has Canada had trying to integrate the
00:28:16.000
Quebecois and the Anglo-Saxon population into the unified Canadian identity? I mean, it's just been
00:28:20.440
so difficult and still isn't really done, let's be frank. You've still got big divisions. So yeah,
00:28:25.300
we're going to take some people from Afghanistan, bring them in, and then question mark, question
00:28:29.540
mark, they'll be integrated. These things do not happen like that. I don't know how naive or maybe
00:28:36.340
malicious the people are in charge to claim this. Wow. Last year, there were riots in the
00:28:47.200
United Kingdom when a young man whose parents came as refugees and he converted to Islam,
00:28:54.480
Axel, and I always got his last name wrong, I think it's Radicabana, if I'm saying it right,
00:28:58.780
went to a young girls' party, a Taylor Swift-themed girls' party, and stabbed and stabbed and stabbed
00:29:07.200
and murdered young girls. And there were riots in the streets. And those riots were condemned
00:29:13.860
as Islamophobic and racist. And the government knew very quickly who the accused was and they hid
00:29:21.520
his identity. And it's, and the cover-up and, and they set up 24-hour courts to prosecute people
00:29:28.820
on social media. 24 hours a day, the courts went, put through as many people and Keir Starmer,
00:29:34.660
the former head of prosecutions in the United Kingdom, boasted that they were going to basically
00:29:39.900
empty the jails of real criminals and fill it with thought criminals. And indeed they did.
00:29:43.720
This seems less acute in that there have been no murders of young girls, but this seems like in
00:29:53.260
the long term to be a much deadlier, much sneakier, much more malevolent problem than the Southport
00:30:01.420
murders, as horrific as they were. I fear that terrible things will come from this. And I wonder if it can
00:30:08.860
be undone. What, you mean the suppression aspect to all of this?
00:30:14.860
No, just re-migration. I mean, in Canada, for the first time, our Conservative Party leader,
00:30:21.160
who used to talk about big immigration in a positive sense, this week for the first time,
00:30:26.920
Ember said, we need more, more people to leave than to come in. That's a bit of a breakthrough for
00:30:31.900
them. Is it possible to have re-migration? Is it possible to do what Donald Trump is doing?
00:30:38.440
He stopped. There's not boats in America. There's just that border. He sealed the border and he's
00:30:44.720
trying hard to deport. He just, he gave the immigration police $150 billion, which probably
00:30:52.000
rivals the whole UK defense budget. America is trying. I mean, they may fail, but they have
00:30:57.600
decided resolutely to try. Will the UK do that?
00:31:02.240
As for whether or not it's operationally possible, piece of piss. Like, it's quite funny how much we
00:31:09.160
have this conversation that it's super difficult and, ah, I can't do it because of legal reasons or
00:31:12.940
any of that bollocks. And with the United States, it's a little bit more complicated because they've
00:31:17.880
got restrictions on government. But with the UK and I assume Canada, Parliament is sovereign.
00:31:23.400
Can do whatever the hell it wants. Pass whatever the hell it wants. And then you see, okay,
00:31:28.260
well, can you move that many people that quickly? Yeah. Duh. Like, you go check out the neighbors
00:31:33.300
to Afghanistan. When the Taliban took over, millions and millions of people fled because
00:31:38.440
there's no one what things are going to be like. And then it turns out things are actually pretty
00:31:41.300
chill. Like, you can go on holiday to Afghanistan. The government had done a, you know, they're the
00:31:45.680
Taliban, go their own way of doing things, but they're not carrying out some kind of Somalia-esque
00:31:50.960
chaos. So the governments of Pakistan and Iran both said, okay, well, we're just going to send
00:31:56.420
these millions of people back then. I think they deported. In Pakistan, it was something
00:32:00.760
like 4 million. In Iran, something like 3 million. And it was in the span of a few months.
00:32:05.300
It was nothing. And then you think, okay, well, maybe we've got these problems because you've
00:32:09.840
got to fly planes. I mean, we transfer millions and millions of people every single year on
00:32:15.180
aircraft. It's not a difficult thing. This technology is really boring, in fact. So the several
00:32:21.820
million you've got in Canada or the few million we've got in the UK, yeah, really easy.
00:32:27.980
Yeah. I think the courts in Canada are a little bit more bossy than in the UK. Hey, Callum,
00:32:36.240
I'm so grateful to you for what you've told me. It's every word is an education and it's
00:32:41.260
shocking. You know, I mentioned before I'm a bit of an Anglophile and William Shakespeare,
00:32:47.420
of course, is my favorite poet, but a very close second is Rudyard Kipling, who was born,
00:32:52.720
if I'm not mistaken, in India and spent a lot of time in the empire. And he could sort
00:32:58.840
of see which way the wind was blowing. Um, and he wrote a poem 108 years ago, and I hope
00:33:06.100
you don't mind. I've read this once before on the show and maybe people are tired of it.
00:33:10.300
I don't know if you've heard this poem. It's called The Beginnings by Kipling and permit
00:33:14.940
me just to read a little bit of it. It was not part of their blood. It came to them very
00:33:21.080
late with long arrears to make good when the English began to hate. They were not easily
00:33:29.340
moved. They were icy, willing to wait till every count should be proved ere the English began
00:33:34.480
to hate. Their voices were even and low. Their eyes were level and straight. There was neither
00:33:40.840
sign nor show when the English began to hate. It was not preached to the crowd. It was not taught
00:33:47.040
by the state. No man spoke it aloud when the English began to hate. It was not suddenly bred. It was not
00:33:53.100
swiftly, it will not swiftly abate through the chill years ahead when time shall count from the date
00:34:00.300
that the English began to hate. I get the chills reading that. That is such an ominous, and it's
00:34:06.740
respectful that the British are slow to anger. The British are jolly and jovial and understanding and
00:34:12.680
generous and magnanimous. And another one of Kipling's poems, Take Up the White Man's Burden, which sounds
00:34:17.800
terribly racist, it's actually the opposite. It's we have a duty to the world, lift up the world, help the
00:34:23.460
world, teach the world, stop starvation, stop the famine. And there's a vengeance coming to the UK.
00:34:31.780
You know, I was in Marseille a couple years ago, and I met an Algerian migrant who looked so Western
00:34:38.200
on the outside, Callum. He had a ball cap, and he was dressed, he had a very, very neatly trimmed beard,
00:34:42.960
and he spoke a little French. And I asked him about life in France, he's an Algerian, and he said,
00:34:49.160
France colonized us for, I forget the exact number, he said, like, for 132 years, and we're here to
00:34:56.840
repay the favor. Like, he basically said, we are here, not as grateful settlers or migrants or refugees,
00:35:04.260
we are here for revenge, 130 years of revenge. He said it calmly, and I don't know what it'll take
00:35:12.260
to wake up our happy Brits and happy Canadians. Our American friends are a little more rebellious,
00:35:17.760
and they've woken up. I don't know. I feel like I'm a little older than you. I feel like I grew up in
00:35:24.200
the happiest time of history, wealth, prosperity, peace, freedom, justice. And I feel like
00:35:30.480
in the last 20 years, someone, some group, some global decision has been made to upend our wonderful
00:35:39.720
civilization and import the most dangerous alien people possible. And I don't know, maybe last
00:35:48.440
anecdote, and I played this recently, I was in Malmo, Sweden, in a neighborhood called Rosengard,
00:35:54.220
that was once 100% Swedish. And I spent all day and I saw one Swedish woman. I ran up to her and I said,
00:36:01.260
what are you doing here? What do you think of things? And she didn't, how could she fight?
00:36:05.240
She was one Swedish woman. So she basically said, oh, it'll be fine. And I feel like the
00:36:11.540
civilizational moment is here. And there's so many people who just want to, I don't know,
00:36:21.880
Well, you're right. The English take a while to get to that place. And this is usually in comparison
00:36:27.700
to the French. You know, one policy change and the French are outriding. The English will deal with
00:36:32.740
terrible situation after terrible situation, stiff up a lip, and then try and vote their way out.
00:36:40.200
Because everyone's always believed in the voting system.
00:36:43.560
Well, like I say, we've had now a situation where the establishment are completely rigged.
00:36:48.800
Both major parties betray us. The side parties agree to the betrayal. So now the only hope left
00:36:56.700
that you find when you go and talk to people who aren't fleeing, because most of these people are
00:37:01.220
just saying, screw it and fleeing, like it's South Africa and they want to help. But the people
00:37:04.960
are remaining, they've got one hope, which is they're putting all in reform and Nigel Farage.
00:37:09.720
Nigel Farage has been a bit timid on the whole re-migration stuff. I'm hoping he won't.
00:37:14.420
But if he doesn't deliver, if he doesn't realign himself, I would not be surprised if there were
00:37:20.140
a series of nativist terror attacks. Because if you tried voting again and again and again,
00:37:23.820
and there's no political solution, what do you expect? And if you think I'm being hyperbolic,
00:37:27.520
like, we've already had a couple of these. I mean, this isn't really that crazy. I mean,
00:37:32.700
you remember when there was this series of attacks in London on different bridges,
00:37:39.160
Then there was this guy who was watching a documentary on grooming gangs. I just couldn't
00:37:44.100
believe how revolting it was that the British had done this and the Muslims had done this.
00:37:47.920
And then he saw the terrorist attacks. He went and got a van and drove it into some innocent
00:37:52.200
When the boats were coming over en masse, some pensioner, when he got a load of Molotov cocktails,
00:37:57.320
and started firebombing these welcoming centers, and then killed himself.
00:38:02.660
So that's where it's at where people still have some belief in democracy. If that's extinguished,
00:38:08.220
what are you expecting? Like, what would you really expect to happen at the end of all that?
00:38:13.280
And Nigel Farage said that, I think, in the last month. He said,
00:38:16.820
beware of what comes after us. If you want to... And I always said this about people like Nigel Farage,
00:38:21.900
and even I've said this about Tommy Robinson, is they are keeping desperate people in the system.
00:38:28.980
And if you cut off the Tommy Robinsons, and if you cut off the Nigel Farages, you aren't just
00:38:34.220
cutting off those men. You're cutting off the millions that these men have convinced to give
00:38:38.600
it one more shot. Tommy Robinson came back from Europe to meet his fate and spend his time in prison
00:38:44.360
willingly. He was submitting to the system. You could disagree with him on a hundred things,
00:38:48.440
but he's still part of the system enough and respectful of the system enough that he submitted
00:38:53.480
to its punishments. That's sort of quite something. Nigel Farage is trying so hard, and the man has
00:38:59.520
his flaws. I could list you a hundred. But if these two men are cut off, there's millions behind them
00:39:05.360
who say, well, if they can't do it, there's no chance. And I'm afraid of what you just described.
00:39:10.840
You know, we love the Brits. And of course, the slogan during the Second World War,
00:39:15.800
keep calm and carry on. That's such a British way of doing it. But
00:39:20.140
I think you bend over backwards so much your spinal shatter. I've learned a lot in our conversation
00:39:28.720
today, and I've kept you much longer than I promised I would. I'm grateful to you. Tell us
00:39:33.780
how we can find your videos, because you go to the most astonishing places, and you've told us
00:39:39.260
about it, but how do people see your work? What's the best way for people to follow you?
00:39:44.680
So the best place would be on YouTube. So there's the YouTube channel called Britannica,
00:39:49.040
or you could just type in tourism in Taliban Afghanistan. It'll probably show up in my face
00:39:53.520
there. But the most recent one was Iraq. So I decided to start the South, go to the North.
00:39:58.320
You know, and some of the subjects we're talking about came up there as well. And go and enjoy.
00:40:05.960
Yeah. I have so many things to say about Iraq. We've gone over twice to try and help
00:40:11.980
the Christian community there. But the only useful help we could go give them was to get them the
00:40:19.120
heck out of there. We actually sponsored some families through the Nazarene Fund to get them
00:40:25.620
into Australia. I am of the unhappy belief that there is actually no safe future for Christians
00:40:31.900
in Iraq, just like there is none in Syria, or even I'm worried about Lebanon. I just think that
00:40:38.720
those places are being colonized. We forget that, you know, Istanbul was once Constantinople.
00:40:47.000
Egypt was once a Christian country. Those places have been ethnically cleansed, if I can use that word.
00:40:53.280
Maybe because they didn't fight back, or maybe because they tried to fight back and were simply
00:40:57.040
beaten. So much to say, Callum. I won't keep you another moment, but I'm so grateful for your time
00:41:05.780
Okay, well, stay safe. You're doing incredible work. All right, there he is, Callum Dara. You can find
00:41:10.580
him on his YouTube channel, Britannica. And what an informative visit we've had today. Stay with us.
00:41:33.540
I've got letters on Mark Carney cutting spending. I'm a leaf says, it sounds more like Carney is
00:41:40.660
planning on selling off Canada, especially with Bill C5. There's so many things about Mark Carney's
00:41:47.700
ownership. The number one thing that gets me is that he refuses to sell these things. It's nuts.
00:41:53.520
The second thing is that they're about 99.5% American companies. I think there's like three
00:42:00.960
Canadian companies on the list of 600. I saw today a report of how many of these companies have been
00:42:08.080
lobbying, not just the government in general, but the prime minister's office since Carney became
00:42:14.860
elected. This is the worst conflict of interest. Trudeau was a piker. Trudeau was just stupid and
00:42:20.620
greedy and he just took free stuff. But Mark Carney is being lobbied by his own companies that he still
00:42:28.380
owns. Michael Harrietta says, strangest results to cut must be the new math. We went from a projected
00:42:37.940
$442 billion deficit to a $62 billion to now a $92 billion deficit. Strangest results due to subtraction I've ever
00:42:45.700
seen. The taboo on deficits is completely broken, which is a kind of generational theft. I mean, if you rack up a
00:42:53.660
deficit now, you're not going to be around to pay for it. Your kids and your grandkids will. Are you really buying
00:42:59.760
something that important? Is the $11 billion that Trudeau spent to promote feminism overseas really
00:43:06.680
worth racking up a debt for your kids? I doubt it. On the public safety minister, Paul Power says he is
00:43:13.920
incompetent. He is a classic DEI hire elevated to a position he should never be in. I'm going to disagree
00:43:20.640
with your wording there. DEI hire sounds like he's not competent. You say he's incompetent. No, no. The
00:43:26.300
problem is he's very competent. He was the lawyer, advocate, helper, promoter for a terrorist group.
00:43:33.120
That's not a man who's incompetent. That's a man who's dangerous. It's very different. The fact that
00:43:39.000
he would be allowed into cabinet and it's surely over the objections of the RCMP is just stunning.
00:43:45.500
Then again, we never did find out who those 11 Chinese MPs were. And by Chinese, I don't mean
00:43:50.940
ethnicity. I mean, they're on China's side. That's our show for today. Until next time,
00:43:56.640
on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night