Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ What the West doesn't realize about Afghanistan： Callum Darragh

00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. What a fascinating interview we have for you today. Unreal.

00:00:04.940 Callum Dara, who went to Afghanistan as a kind of citizen journalist,

00:00:10.720 reports on what he saw, including a Canadian Taliban who was just so excited

00:00:16.060 to see someone who spoke English with them. We'll have the whole scoop.

00:00:20.660 You know, I only meant to talk to Callum for, I don't know, 10 or 15 minutes,

00:00:24.120 but almost an hour went by. He just kept on telling me the most

00:00:27.400 outrageous and incredible things, and they're terrifying, too. I think

00:00:32.300 this is an important interview. Pour yourself a cup of coffee or tea and sit down and

00:00:36.440 listen to Callum Dara. Hey, before I go, let me invite you to get the video version of that.

00:00:41.680 We're going to show some of his footage from Afghanistan. Just go to rebelnewsplus.com,

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00:00:57.400 Tonight, a feature interview with a citizen journalist who went to Afghanistan amongst his

00:01:17.880 crazy stories when he met a Canadian Taliban fighter. We'll tell you that story and many

00:01:24.420 more. It's an interview you don't want to miss. It's July 17th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:30.500 You're fighting for freedom!

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00:01:36.520 Yesterday, I told you about this crazy word, super injunction, which is an injunction that you

00:01:51.760 can't even talk about, because there's an injunction covering the injunction, and maybe

00:01:55.500 another super duper injunction is needed, so you can't even talk about that one. What's so insane

00:02:00.560 about the super injunction? It was the British government itself that asked the courts to

00:02:05.640 silence any coverage of what they were doing. This was not some private legal matter. This was not

00:02:11.020 protecting the identity of someone who was alleged to have committed or been a victim of, say,

00:02:16.860 a sexual offense, and maybe confidentiality would be appropriate. This was a government engaged in a

00:02:23.280 massive secret airlift of tens of thousands of Afghans, allegedly translators, though we read that

00:02:31.600 there were only a thousand interpreters total, and the flights and the accommodation and the

00:02:37.580 expenditure of seven billion pounds, which is more than 10 billion Canadian dollars. That is what was

00:02:43.760 made secret over the course of an election, and it was the conservative government that kept it a secret

00:02:49.480 first, and then the labor government that won the election agreed to keep it a secret. Such an

00:02:54.160 astonishing thing, and I thought, let's talk to a Brit who knows a little bit about the strange goings-on

00:03:01.320 of their government. You might recall our last interview with our guest today was when he was

00:03:05.940 arrested, or detained at least, and subject to hours of grilling about his journeys around the world.

00:03:13.760 No charges laid, just the abuse of the Terrorism Act, which we know from our friend Tommy Robinson,

00:03:19.480 can be used for any reason or no reason, just to subject you to questions for six hours, and you have

00:03:24.440 no right to remain silent. There are some quite quirky things about the UK. You wouldn't believe they were

00:03:30.040 the cradle of freedom of speech not long ago. Joining us now to talk a little bit about what Afghanistan is

00:03:36.600 like, and what many of these thousands of new Brits might be like, is Callum Dara, a journalist and

00:03:44.360 travel adventurer journalist, I would say. Callum, great to see you again.

00:03:49.320 Good to see you again, man. You've been well?

00:03:51.400 I'm doing well. I am doing slightly better as a Canadian, I think, than I would be doing if I was a Brit.

00:03:57.860 If I was a Brit, I would have my faith in democracy shaken that two different opposing parties can collude with

00:04:05.240 the courts to silence any discussion or any knowledge about such a key factor. Even MPs were barred from

00:04:12.440 knowing it. How does that make you feel as a Brit? I mean, I'm not picking on you. You're just the only

00:04:17.760 Brit I know who's been to Afghanistan. We'll talk about that later. What do you think of this whole

00:04:21.280 super injunction story?

00:04:22.520 Well, I mean, for a while, I mean, pretty much everyone I know now considers the British government

00:04:27.300 deeply illegitimate as an organization, because as you mentioned, the two major parties colluded on

00:04:33.080 this. It's not the first thing they've colluded on. And what are they colluding to do? Well,

00:04:38.480 everything they can seemingly to destroy the native population, just anything against their interest

00:04:43.120 seems to be what they want. And then you have this extra aspect of censoring it. Like you say,

00:04:48.640 the super injunction, it's a huge deal. And it's not the first time they've done super injunctions or

00:04:53.540 weird censorship or cracking down on people who say the wrong things, you know, visiting pensioners

00:04:58.880 for criticizing government policy, and then saying they're going to charge up the hate crime

00:05:03.880 legislation. I mean, there's just so many layers to this. So the average British person now is just

00:05:08.600 so done, just utterly finished with the people in the establishment. I mean, you see the rising sport

00:05:14.380 for reform, and they were always considered a bit of a protest party. And that protest is

00:05:18.280 fundamentally. We're done with the entire former elites. Like every single one of you sucks.

00:05:23.560 Yeah. It's astonishing to me how Reform UK under Nigel Farage is doing in so many of these council 0.99

00:05:30.060 elections. I actually went to a by-election up north, a seat that became vacant because the Labour MP was

00:05:39.420 caught beating up someone on videotape. He had to resign. There was a by-election. It was one of the

00:05:44.680 safest Labour seats in the country, and it flipped to reform. And I went there and I saw the very simple

00:05:49.760 slogan, Callum. It was, freeze immigration, stop the boats. I think that is what resonated. And I think

00:05:57.680 ordinary Brits who sort of are apolitical or non-political, or even in the past have been sort

00:06:04.020 of Labourite. I think they're saying this is so out of control. So the timing of this revelation,

00:06:12.620 you know, people are primed to be against immigration. I think they really did try and

00:06:18.080 avoid this becoming an election issue. I really think that the media party, the court party,

00:06:23.240 and the political parties colluded to keep this out of the election. I think this would have given

00:06:28.920 reform UK many more than the half dozen seats they got. What do you make of the timing of all this?

00:06:34.580 Was it an election suppression thing? What do you think people, what do you think the effects will be

00:06:39.680 from now forward? I'm trying to recall the exact timing of when they made it censored, but the feeling

00:06:46.880 I get from watching people who have interacted with the state, I mean, the main part people should look

00:06:51.180 to right now is Dominic Cummings. So he used to be a special advisor to Boris Johnson, and he spent the last

00:06:55.900 month basically going out and doing these interviews saying, hey, guys, here's how the state actually

00:07:00.880 works at a granular level. And the fundamental premise is always covering up Whitehall's fuck-ups.

00:07:07.900 Right. And Whitehall is sort of the... Whitehall is the senior bureaucrats. Is that right? 0.97

00:07:13.480 Yeah. So basically his description is that when the Conservative Party were in charge,

00:07:17.180 what's the weird aspect is that none of the ministers or the prime minister wanted to run the

00:07:21.020 country. They wanted to win the election and then do media stuff. So the actual running of the country

00:07:25.560 was left to bureaucrats. And bureaucrats, they have their own objectives, so they just do those. 0.80

00:07:30.040 And those objectives don't align with the public. Big surprise. So when it comes to them censoring

00:07:35.100 this, this is very similar to the grooming gangs, where a lot of the censorship was permitted and

00:07:41.180 greenlit because it was showing failures within the system. If the bureaucrats were being shown to be

00:07:47.760 effing up their job and not protecting the British people because the system is corrupt, that's when

00:07:54.280 they'd institute censorship. And this is exactly the same situation.

00:07:58.240 You know, we try and be open-minded to all people in the world. That's sort of a Western trait,

00:08:04.520 is to be hospitable and to give people the benefit of the doubt. And there's a very British notion of

00:08:09.620 fair play and, you know, I think being on the positive side of things. You know, I was in Eastern Europe

00:08:17.700 a year or so ago. And actually, it's also, I was in Iraq and not as dramatically as you were,

00:08:26.300 but I was told that I was too smiley. I smiled too easily. And I said, thank you very much

00:08:33.980 for trifles. It was just a habit. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. And I was told,

00:08:38.940 you're coming across as an idiot because you're being effusive in your language. Over here, 1.00

00:08:44.780 you look like a dummy who can be conned and tricked because you're so goofy and Western and 1.00

00:08:51.760 you're treating everyone naively. I was sort of scolded for being, hey, hi, thanks, please. And 0.99

00:08:58.980 I think that's the difference between living in a high trust society where everyone is sort of

00:09:04.620 hail fellow well met and a stranger is just a friend you haven't met yet. Whereas if you're in Erbil,

00:09:10.820 Iraq, like I was, or even in parts of Eastern Europe, it's a tougher, harsher world. And I think

00:09:17.060 any country that would open itself up to ordinary Afghan peasant, you know, Afghanistan annual GDP per 0.98

00:09:25.680 capita, 450 bucks, any country that would bring in tens of thousands of Afghan men with their views on

00:09:32.920 women and their views on rape and their views on homosexuality and their views on, you know,

00:09:37.040 theft and their views on crime. I think you're the dopey Westerner who is, yeah, come on in guys. 0.99

00:09:45.520 What could go wrong? I think that the Afghans are amongst the most, and I'm saying this not as a 0.97

00:09:52.080 prejudice, but as an observation, the crime rate committed by Afghans in Germany and in UK and in

00:09:57.920 Sweden and other places where it's tracked is 10, 20, 30, 40 times higher than for the domestic

00:10:04.300 populations. Am I wrong on that? No, I mean, those facts have been known for what, at least 10 years

00:10:11.400 now? Ever since the migrant crisis started, we had loads of Afghans coming over. And I mean, to anyone

00:10:17.480 who'd been to Afghanistan, it wasn't a shock. Massive increased rates of rape, sexual assault,

00:10:23.320 violence. And it was like, well, okay, now that we know that information, what do we do with it?

00:10:28.520 That's, that's usually what you do. But every Western nation took the position of, oh, that's

00:10:34.540 interesting. Let's just bring more of them, which is mad. That was just absolutely madness.

00:10:41.020 I want to play a clip very briefly. I showed this yesterday. This is a Vice documentary,

00:10:47.080 um, showing British officers dealing with their Afghan counterparts. And they were raising the

00:10:55.480 sensitive subject that every night the Afghan leaders would rape young boys and it would, 0.95

00:11:03.500 and the screams of those boys would wake up the British and in some cases American and Canadian 0.94

00:11:09.160 troops. And that was just how it is. Here's a clip from a Vice documentary in Afghanistan.

00:11:15.920 Before that briefing had happened, Major Stuber knew that three young boys had been shot dead

00:11:20.960 on police patrol bases. All three of them were chai boys. So young boys who'd been abducted by the

00:11:27.140 police commanders and were used as servants. They served tea, but also sex slaves. They're, 0.98

00:11:31.980 they're raped by the police commanders. 0.98

00:11:36.440 And you see them on every base. You see, you see several boys, sometimes in uniform, 0.97

00:11:39.640 sometimes not, but 13, 14 years old. It's, it's very common practice there.

00:11:43.940 Three of them have been shot dead by the police, one possibly by another chai boy. Nobody's quite 1.00

00:11:51.960 sure. And he's just found out that a fourth boy has been shot at point blank range in the leg

00:11:56.500 for, for trying to escape. And, you know, I was there. So he, he let me follow him to meet the

00:12:01.660 acting police chief and confront him about this.

00:12:04.120 Yesterday we had unfortunate news come in a young boy about 13, 14 years of age was shot. Now there's

00:12:22.640 a couple of things on there that, that you and I have talked about. We've, we've had, we've had all

00:12:27.300 the PB commanders in this very room about having young boys and civilians on PBs.

00:12:36.720 I have mentioned it more than 20 times. I know. I know.

00:12:41.120 Why was there a boy on that PB? Why is, what did that commander say to you?

00:12:44.340 I have heard that that, that information, that knowledge that the quote allies of the West

00:13:00.200 were raping boys has been a source of PTSD for many soldiers who encountered it. Tell me about

00:13:08.980 your own travels to Afghanistan is rape culture that normal. Like you saw that, uh, that Afghan 1.00

00:13:16.280 leader saying, what do you want me to do? You know, uh, screw a grandma, this, these boys. It's 0.99

00:13:22.140 like he was, he was defiant. He was almost boastful about it. He w he wasn't denying it. He wasn't

00:13:28.600 ashamed by it. He was saying, this is how we do it here. What do you make of that?

00:13:33.340 Well, I'll tell you a story. So we're driving down in Kabul and it's me, my friend, Lord Miles. And

00:13:41.560 then we've got a taxi driver. He's an Afghan. Uh, interesting other story. That guy had a broken 0.99

00:13:45.340 into Europe back in 2016. And then came back to Afghanistan because he wasn't actually fleeing

00:13:49.760 anything. He was just bored. Whole other story. So we're driving, we get to these checkpoints.

00:13:54.080 There's checkpoints every 500 meters in the city and the Taliban, they look in the car, see if you've

00:13:59.600 got anything weird and maybe pull you out. So quite rare they actually pull you out, but

00:14:04.840 they did on one checkpoint barat. This guy comes over, he's patting me down. And I say

00:14:10.160 a few words to Pashtu to him. He looks back at me and is all excited, starts blabbering in

00:14:14.660 Pashtu. And I'm like, oh crap. Uh, English, English. Oh, English. English. Okay. Guy comes 0.96

00:14:25.080 over. Full gear. AK looks at us and goes, oh, hi guys. How you doing? Well, what the

00:14:30.280 fuck? Um, hey mate. Yeah. We're from England. And he goes, oh, I'm from Canada. 1.00

00:14:36.040 What? You joined the Taliban? And he's like, yeah, yeah. I came over to fight the jihad.

00:14:39.940 My parents took a move to Canada and I grew up there and it was terrible. And we're like,

00:14:44.960 okay, buddy. So we're chatting away. We're trying to get an interview. And he's like, no,

00:14:48.460 no, no. And we're like, oh, okay. We're going to have to head off then. And the driver taps

00:14:52.060 us. He's like, we got to go now. Now. I'm like, oh, okay. Hey, see you, guy. He's

00:14:56.280 like, bye. Get back to the car. Drive off. We're like, what was the problem? He said,

00:15:01.000 oh, the older Taliban in the back. We're looking at you two white boys with blue eyes and muttering 1.00

00:15:05.820 about how beautiful you are. Oh my God. Oh my God. Cause you've got no recourse. If

00:15:14.520 they want to take you, what are you going to do? Cry? They've got guns. So we're talking

00:15:19.840 to the driver. We're like, okay, so how common is that? I'd heard it's out here. And he

00:15:23.980 says, well, it's a bit of a regional thing because Afghanistan is divided into different

00:15:28.360 ethnic groups. And in the South, he says, the people down there, they're really into boy 1.00

00:15:32.880 love. Bakubazi, as it gets called. And you'll see them driving around sometimes. And it looks

00:15:38.460 like bring your son to work day, but you know, it's not their son. So we're like, okay, what

00:15:44.440 about the rest of the Afghans? Do you think it's disgusting? And he said, oh yeah, up in the

00:15:47.900 North. We think this is vile. A whole bunch of ethnic groups don't do this. We think it's

00:15:51.540 against Islam, but the guys in the South, they don't care. It's like, oh, okay. So what

00:15:58.020 do you, what do you say about it? He's like, we have a saying. When a bird flies over the

00:16:02.220 South, it flies with one wing because it needs the other to cover its asshole. Oh yeah. All 1.00

00:16:09.500 right, buddy. So we, we, we keep carrying on. We end up at the Kabul zoo. In fact, later on

00:16:14.860 the trip. And these Taliban are looking at us taking pictures of the animals. So they're 0.88

00:16:19.540 like, oh, why are you here? What are you doing? Well, oh, fair enough. You know, then the

00:16:22.720 government, white people, we should explain. We have tourism, blah, blah, blah. And my

00:16:27.540 friend says, crack the joke to them. Say we don't like people in the South because they

00:16:30.440 do boy love. And the translator goes, hang on. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:16:36.000 They're from Kandahar, mate. I'm not telling them the joke. They're from the South. Ah, okay. 1.00

00:16:40.260 Good job. And then we got to take pictures. And these guys are like touching our arms to,

00:16:46.420 you know, carry around, take a picture. Now us in the West, we think that's pretty normal.

00:16:49.920 You and the boys lock arms, take a photo. And Afghanistan, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You

00:16:53.800 do not touch your hands to yourself. So these guys are doing this. And then we realize, oh

00:16:58.880 no, oh, they're not looking at us because we want to be friends. So then we'll make excuses.

00:17:04.820 We're like, we're going to go. We've got a place to be. Sorry, guys. Chat to you later.

00:17:07.460 And they're like, oh, I'll talk to you later. I'm like, we go back to the compound. I felt

00:17:10.840 physically sick. Like it's the first time I felt utterly revolted because not only do

00:17:15.200 you know that they could do this, nothing you can do, but then also they think that's

00:17:19.580 normal. Yeah. And they're doing this to young boys and you're like, right. They think that's

00:17:26.060 normal. They think that should be legal. And then when you get home, you research it and

00:17:30.800 it's not like it's a Taliban versus non-Taliban thing. The old government, the guys we were

00:17:35.060 supporting, like you're showing that clip. Those were the guys we put in power. We were

00:17:39.400 paying their salaries, et cetera. And they were doing that and thinking it's completely

00:17:43.280 normal. And guess what? Those are the people you've brought to the West now. Thanks. I

00:17:48.420 absolutely wonderful. I mean, I don't know why we couldn't just put them in Pakistan or 1.00

00:17:52.180 Saudi or some other regional country like Kazakhstan, but instead, no, we're going to

00:17:56.240 bring them to the West. Then they're going to bring that attitude. And it's not just for

00:17:59.740 young girls. They're going to be raping young boys. They're pretty happy on and even 1.00

00:18:03.060 grown men. So it's not just your daughter. You've got to worry about it yourself.

00:18:07.380 Wow. You know, you make me remember, I wrote a book about Omar Cotter. That was a Canadian 0.73

00:18:12.540 terrorist who went overseas and murdered some Americans. I got to know the psychiatrist,

00:18:21.720 the forensic psychiatrist who dealt with him at Guantanamo Bay, who believes that Omar Cotter,

00:18:27.540 because he was a teenager, he was raped by Al-Qaeda Taliban. And that was the one thing in all

00:18:36.980 their interrogations when it was raised, he sort of got defensive and anxious about, I

00:18:44.960 totally believe it. And you can imagine how generation after generation, men who themselves

00:18:52.020 were abused become abusers. And especially if the culture normalizes it, at least in Western society,

00:19:00.440 sexual abuse is a taboo. It's frowned upon. If it's done, it's usually done by a predator

00:19:07.580 who uses secrecy or stealth. But it, you know, it sounds so open in Afghanistan. And one of the

00:19:15.380 terrifying things we've learned lately about the Pakistani grooming gangs in the UK or Syrians

00:19:21.220 is that they do it as friends, as family members, even like there's not even like, there's no shame

00:19:28.940 even amongst the family. If a member of the family is engaging in rape, he calls the other family or

00:19:35.740 friends over to participate in it. The craziest story I ever wrote for the Toronto Sun, and I was sort of

00:19:41.600 surprised they let it through, but it was factually accurate, was a bus in Pakistan where there was a boy

00:19:47.900 on it, and men at the back of the bus started raping the boy. And the bus driver, instead of calling the

00:19:55.240 cops, pulled the bus over and joined in. The Western high trust society that we've taken centuries to

00:20:03.820 build, if a woman says, help, help, men come and help. But in this mindset of the rape culture, 1.00

00:20:11.900 help, help means get in on it. And I, we don't realize how many centuries it took us as the West

00:20:20.680 to build a culture where women are safe, where the default is to respect and protect women,

00:20:26.360 that a taxi driver who picks up a drunk woman at the bar at 1 a.m. to take her home, his instinct is

00:20:32.060 protective, not take advantage. So many cases of taxis, including in Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada,

00:20:39.760 a series of rape charges against taxi drivers from Arabia who just can't believe that the men would 1.00

00:20:48.000 let their women out. I mean, the whole idea of a male guardian entrusting women in a burqa is that's 0.99

00:20:53.820 how you defend against this rape culture. How do you raise a woman in the rape culture where you put a 0.99

00:20:58.820 sack over her and you make sure she's never out of reach of a man? It's insane. And that's being 1.00

00:21:06.260 brought to the UK by the tens of thousands. I think the number is now, whilst they include

00:21:12.100 the extended family you come with, up to 150,000. So that's a whole town that just forever is now

00:21:17.820 going to be Afghan. Thanks. Great. And the aspect you say there about women, hey, it's not just women. 1.00

00:21:25.520 You've also, as you mentioned, the boys. And with me being there, grown adults, also fair game.

00:21:30.420 It's, it's, you've all got to be worried about that. But getting to Canada, I just want to mention,

00:21:37.020 they mentioned of that 150,000 that are coming, they said, oh, well, we had to keep it all secret.

00:21:42.400 And part of the reason for that is we didn't do any checks. We don't know who these people are.

00:21:47.340 So they say they're an interpreter. I mean, some of them said they were cooks, which I'm not really

00:21:52.540 sure how serving a British guy a meal entails you to an infinite permanent residence in Britain,

00:21:56.800 but whatever. So then you've got people who are just lying. Yeah. And then you've, they came out

00:22:02.300 and said, oh, by the way, some of the people we did let in, we actually had done checks on because

00:22:06.740 that was before we ran out of time. We knew there was security risk and we brought them in anyway.

00:22:10.840 So now they're here. So we've just got terrorists here. Great. Great. Thanks.

00:22:15.900 I understand that one of the Afghans who sort of threatened to extort the Ministry of Defense 0.93

00:22:20.140 by shopping some list to Taliban, he himself, the extorter, was allowed in. I mean, 0.75

00:22:25.960 I, uh, is there any way to reverse this? Well, first, let me ask you this. The news sources I

00:22:32.080 follow were often citizen journalists like yourself, um, podcasters, bloggers, alternative

00:22:38.020 media. And there were a couple of, I call the mainstream media who were actually trying to

00:22:43.660 get this super injunction lifted. Now they went big on the story. It's true. But when I checked the BBC

00:22:49.740 homepage, they were trying to downplay this story tremendously. There was some, you know,

00:22:55.940 cooking show that was the story of the day or something. I, how this should be, in my view,

00:23:04.260 the biggest story in the United Kingdom. It should be such a scandal that an election should be held

00:23:09.400 because they deprive the people of, I think, what could have been the most important election issue.

00:23:14.740 That's how I feel over here in Canada, though. What does it look like in the UK? Has this permeated

00:23:19.920 into ordinary conversation? Has the media tried to dampen it? Or is this a wild story?

00:23:27.420 So online and in right-wing media, it exists. On the BBC, it was wiped from the front page. It just

00:23:34.740 wasn't there. It's like you say. As for a solution, I mean, I mentioned Canada because I mentioned

00:23:43.340 there was terrorists come to the UK. When I was in Afghanistan, there was a guy running a compound 0.98

00:23:48.440 moron. And he had some level of security clearance. He was looking us up. So I hanged out with him 0.99

00:23:53.200 after he's cleared us up. I'm like, oh, buddy, what are you going to do for work? Because there's

00:23:57.740 like no one in this hotel. It's just us. So he says, yeah, yeah, that's how it's going. So I'm

00:24:02.860 looking up security work right now. There's a guy who wants to hire me in Canada because Canada has

00:24:07.440 let in loads and loads of people, the exact same situation. And they also did no checks.

00:24:13.340 Like what? He's like, yeah. So they're hiring anyone who has any expertise in Afghanistan to check who

00:24:19.480 these people are for counterterrorism purposes. Nevermind the other risks that evolve that we

00:24:24.420 talked about. Yeah. So I'm like, oh, okay. So when I get home, it turns out in Canada, the Taliban 0.91

00:24:29.720 is still listed as a terrorist organization. I don't know if that's still the case, but it was three

00:24:33.680 years ago when I was talking about this. And watching things play out. I mean, this is going to be

00:24:40.000 controversial for some people, but honestly, keep in mind, in Afghanistan, there is no choice between 0.79

00:24:46.740 the Taliban government and liberal democracy where there's women's rights and blah, blah, 1.00

00:24:50.900 blah, blah, blah, blah. And all this, you know, fantasy. The options in Afghanistan are the Taliban 0.90

00:24:54.520 or ISIS. Okay. That's your two options for the government right now. Yeah.

00:25:00.160 So the Taliban are in charge. And when I spoke to the Taliban at the parade we attended, I asked them, 0.79

00:25:05.720 what's the justification for this state? And they justified on ethnic lines, not religious. They

00:25:09.600 were like, hey, we're real Afghans. We want to run Afghanistan. It's going to be an Islamic 1.00

00:25:12.660 country, an Islamic state, but they weren't making these claims of, we're going to take

00:25:16.980 up the whole world. There was just one guy that claimed that he was not part of the organization.

00:25:22.360 So when I look at Afghanistan, what they've done since, they issued an amnesty for those 1.00

00:25:28.020 who fought against the government. Some of them then tried to organize a resistance movement.

00:25:32.600 So they got killed. Big surprise. The Russians have just declared that they recognize Afghanistan,

00:25:40.700 Afghanistan, the Islamic state, the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan. It's the new Taliban 1.00

00:25:44.160 government. They're the first country to do it. So they've now been an embassy. And when

00:25:48.560 I was there, there were British guys trying to get the contacts to reopen the British one

00:25:52.120 at some point. There seems to be this understanding in international Western governments that we're

00:25:58.180 going to have to recognize them at some point. They've not done anything crazy. We freeze

00:26:04.060 their accounts. We expect them to go on a genocide or something. They didn't do any of

00:26:06.880 that. They want to work with us. We've now got massive populations of Afghans in our

00:26:12.280 countries who have been convicted of rape, convicted of crimes, or are terrorists. They 0.96

00:26:17.540 deserve to go home. They deserve to be deported. And we can't do that until we recognize the

00:26:23.100 government in Afghanistan and organize diplomatic relations, et cetera, et cetera. So probably

00:26:28.100 the solution, as unpalatable as it might be to some people, is to just recognize their

00:26:32.300 rule and then start operating with them like any other country, sending back rapists and 1.00

00:26:36.420 murderers and such. Now, again, this might be a bit of a bitter taste for a lot of people,

00:26:41.080 but we have to accept we lost. War's over, buddy. And when you lose, you don't get to

00:26:47.700 dictate the outcomes. The people there get to dictate the outcomes. And if we want to engage

00:26:53.480 with that in any way, we've got two options. Work with the Taliban who are in charge. On the 0.91

00:26:58.580 opposition or ISIS, who we're just not working with, unless you're a crazy person. 0.99

00:27:02.440 Yeah. Oh, my God. We're talking with Kalam Dara, a journalist who has been, as you can hear, 1.00

00:27:09.780 on the ground in Afghanistan. Now, you mentioned Canada a couple of times. I'm glad you did. We,

00:27:14.800 of course, are based in Canada, although we have a deep affection for the United Kingdom.

00:27:19.680 Can you tell me a little bit, you mentioned that one guy at the checkpoint, the Canadian who was happy

00:27:24.880 to chat with you. Can you tell me, was he a white, ethnic Canadian who converted to Islam? Or was he

00:27:32.300 an immigrant to Canada who then went back? Like, what was he like? Was he a convert?

00:27:40.540 So he was a brown chap. So his family had immigrated from, I think, Pakistan, Afghanistan,

00:27:45.880 I can't remember, to Canada. And he'd grown up and then had this identity crisis of, hey, I'm a

00:27:52.680 devout Muslim. My family are Muslim. We belong to this motherland back home. It's a war. I should 1.00

00:27:58.060 defend my people. So that's why he's back there. Got it. And that's the other aspect to all this

00:28:03.040 migration. It's like, hey, you think these guys are just going to become Anglo-Saxon or Quebecois?

00:28:09.600 Yeah. No. No. Come on. I mean, how much of a problem has Canada had trying to integrate the

00:28:16.000 Quebecois and the Anglo-Saxon population into the unified Canadian identity? I mean, it's just been

00:28:20.440 so difficult and still isn't really done, let's be frank. You've still got big divisions. So yeah,

00:28:25.300 we're going to take some people from Afghanistan, bring them in, and then question mark, question

00:28:29.540 mark, they'll be integrated. These things do not happen like that. I don't know how naive or maybe

00:28:36.340 malicious the people are in charge to claim this. Wow. Last year, there were riots in the

00:28:47.200 United Kingdom when a young man whose parents came as refugees and he converted to Islam,

00:28:54.480 Axel, and I always got his last name wrong, I think it's Radicabana, if I'm saying it right,

00:28:58.780 went to a young girls' party, a Taylor Swift-themed girls' party, and stabbed and stabbed and stabbed 0.91

00:29:07.200 and murdered young girls. And there were riots in the streets. And those riots were condemned

00:29:13.860 as Islamophobic and racist. And the government knew very quickly who the accused was and they hid

00:29:21.520 his identity. And it's, and the cover-up and, and they set up 24-hour courts to prosecute people

00:29:28.820 on social media. 24 hours a day, the courts went, put through as many people and Keir Starmer,

00:29:34.660 the former head of prosecutions in the United Kingdom, boasted that they were going to basically

00:29:39.900 empty the jails of real criminals and fill it with thought criminals. And indeed they did.

00:29:43.720 This seems less acute in that there have been no murders of young girls, but this seems like in

00:29:53.260 the long term to be a much deadlier, much sneakier, much more malevolent problem than the Southport

00:30:01.420 murders, as horrific as they were. I fear that terrible things will come from this. And I wonder if it can

00:30:08.860 be undone. What, you mean the suppression aspect to all of this?

00:30:14.860 No, just re-migration. I mean, in Canada, for the first time, our Conservative Party leader,

00:30:21.160 who used to talk about big immigration in a positive sense, this week for the first time,

00:30:26.920 Ember said, we need more, more people to leave than to come in. That's a bit of a breakthrough for 0.59

00:30:31.900 them. Is it possible to have re-migration? Is it possible to do what Donald Trump is doing?

00:30:38.440 He stopped. There's not boats in America. There's just that border. He sealed the border and he's

00:30:44.720 trying hard to deport. He just, he gave the immigration police $150 billion, which probably

00:30:52.000 rivals the whole UK defense budget. America is trying. I mean, they may fail, but they have

00:30:57.600 decided resolutely to try. Will the UK do that?

00:31:02.240 As for whether or not it's operationally possible, piece of piss. Like, it's quite funny how much we 0.98

00:31:09.160 have this conversation that it's super difficult and, ah, I can't do it because of legal reasons or

00:31:12.940 any of that bollocks. And with the United States, it's a little bit more complicated because they've

00:31:17.880 got restrictions on government. But with the UK and I assume Canada, Parliament is sovereign.

00:31:23.400 Can do whatever the hell it wants. Pass whatever the hell it wants. And then you see, okay,

00:31:28.260 well, can you move that many people that quickly? Yeah. Duh. Like, you go check out the neighbors

00:31:33.300 to Afghanistan. When the Taliban took over, millions and millions of people fled because

00:31:38.440 there's no one what things are going to be like. And then it turns out things are actually pretty

00:31:41.300 chill. Like, you can go on holiday to Afghanistan. The government had done a, you know, they're the 0.98

00:31:45.680 Taliban, go their own way of doing things, but they're not carrying out some kind of Somalia-esque

00:31:50.960 chaos. So the governments of Pakistan and Iran both said, okay, well, we're just going to send 0.96

00:31:56.420 these millions of people back then. I think they deported. In Pakistan, it was something

00:32:00.760 like 4 million. In Iran, something like 3 million. And it was in the span of a few months.

00:32:05.300 It was nothing. And then you think, okay, well, maybe we've got these problems because you've

00:32:09.840 got to fly planes. I mean, we transfer millions and millions of people every single year on

00:32:15.180 aircraft. It's not a difficult thing. This technology is really boring, in fact. So the several

00:32:21.820 million you've got in Canada or the few million we've got in the UK, yeah, really easy.

00:32:25.820 All it requires is political wealth.

00:32:27.980 Yeah. I think the courts in Canada are a little bit more bossy than in the UK. Hey, Callum,

00:32:36.240 I'm so grateful to you for what you've told me. It's every word is an education and it's

00:32:41.260 shocking. You know, I mentioned before I'm a bit of an Anglophile and William Shakespeare,

00:32:47.420 of course, is my favorite poet, but a very close second is Rudyard Kipling, who was born,

00:32:52.720 if I'm not mistaken, in India and spent a lot of time in the empire. And he could sort

00:32:58.840 of see which way the wind was blowing. Um, and he wrote a poem 108 years ago, and I hope

00:33:06.100 you don't mind. I've read this once before on the show and maybe people are tired of it.

00:33:10.300 I don't know if you've heard this poem. It's called The Beginnings by Kipling and permit

00:33:14.940 me just to read a little bit of it. It was not part of their blood. It came to them very

00:33:21.080 late with long arrears to make good when the English began to hate. They were not easily

00:33:29.340 moved. They were icy, willing to wait till every count should be proved ere the English began 0.97

00:33:34.480 to hate. Their voices were even and low. Their eyes were level and straight. There was neither

00:33:40.840 sign nor show when the English began to hate. It was not preached to the crowd. It was not taught

00:33:47.040 by the state. No man spoke it aloud when the English began to hate. It was not suddenly bred. It was not

00:33:53.100 swiftly, it will not swiftly abate through the chill years ahead when time shall count from the date

00:34:00.300 that the English began to hate. I get the chills reading that. That is such an ominous, and it's

00:34:06.740 respectful that the British are slow to anger. The British are jolly and jovial and understanding and

00:34:12.680 generous and magnanimous. And another one of Kipling's poems, Take Up the White Man's Burden, which sounds

00:34:17.800 terribly racist, it's actually the opposite. It's we have a duty to the world, lift up the world, help the

00:34:23.460 world, teach the world, stop starvation, stop the famine. And there's a vengeance coming to the UK.

00:34:31.780 You know, I was in Marseille a couple years ago, and I met an Algerian migrant who looked so Western

00:34:38.200 on the outside, Callum. He had a ball cap, and he was dressed, he had a very, very neatly trimmed beard,

00:34:42.960 and he spoke a little French. And I asked him about life in France, he's an Algerian, and he said,

00:34:49.160 France colonized us for, I forget the exact number, he said, like, for 132 years, and we're here to

00:34:56.840 repay the favor. Like, he basically said, we are here, not as grateful settlers or migrants or refugees,

00:35:04.260 we are here for revenge, 130 years of revenge. He said it calmly, and I don't know what it'll take

00:35:12.260 to wake up our happy Brits and happy Canadians. Our American friends are a little more rebellious,

00:35:17.760 and they've woken up. I don't know. I feel like I'm a little older than you. I feel like I grew up in

00:35:24.200 the happiest time of history, wealth, prosperity, peace, freedom, justice. And I feel like

00:35:30.480 in the last 20 years, someone, some group, some global decision has been made to upend our wonderful

00:35:39.720 civilization and import the most dangerous alien people possible. And I don't know, maybe last 1.00

00:35:48.440 anecdote, and I played this recently, I was in Malmo, Sweden, in a neighborhood called Rosengard,

00:35:54.220 that was once 100% Swedish. And I spent all day and I saw one Swedish woman. I ran up to her and I said,

00:36:01.260 what are you doing here? What do you think of things? And she didn't, how could she fight?

00:36:05.240 She was one Swedish woman. So she basically said, oh, it'll be fine. And I feel like the

00:36:11.540 civilizational moment is here. And there's so many people who just want to, I don't know,

00:36:17.080 super injunction it. Last word to you.

00:36:21.880 Well, you're right. The English take a while to get to that place. And this is usually in comparison 0.72

00:36:27.700 to the French. You know, one policy change and the French are outriding. The English will deal with 1.00

00:36:32.740 terrible situation after terrible situation, stiff up a lip, and then try and vote their way out.

00:36:40.200 Because everyone's always believed in the voting system.

00:36:43.560 Well, like I say, we've had now a situation where the establishment are completely rigged.

00:36:48.800 Both major parties betray us. The side parties agree to the betrayal. So now the only hope left

00:36:56.700 that you find when you go and talk to people who aren't fleeing, because most of these people are

00:37:01.220 just saying, screw it and fleeing, like it's South Africa and they want to help. But the people

00:37:04.960 are remaining, they've got one hope, which is they're putting all in reform and Nigel Farage.

00:37:08.680 Yeah.

00:37:09.720 Nigel Farage has been a bit timid on the whole re-migration stuff. I'm hoping he won't.

00:37:14.420 But if he doesn't deliver, if he doesn't realign himself, I would not be surprised if there were

00:37:20.140 a series of nativist terror attacks. Because if you tried voting again and again and again,

00:37:23.820 and there's no political solution, what do you expect? And if you think I'm being hyperbolic,

00:37:27.520 like, we've already had a couple of these. I mean, this isn't really that crazy. I mean,

00:37:32.700 you remember when there was this series of attacks in London on different bridges,

00:37:35.800 London Bridge, Westminster Bridge?

00:37:37.140 Yeah, Westminster Bridge. Yeah.

00:37:39.160 Then there was this guy who was watching a documentary on grooming gangs. I just couldn't

00:37:44.100 believe how revolting it was that the British had done this and the Muslims had done this. 1.00

00:37:47.920 And then he saw the terrorist attacks. He went and got a van and drove it into some innocent 0.89

00:37:50.900 Muslims in a mosque. 0.96

00:37:51.880 Yeah.

00:37:52.200 When the boats were coming over en masse, some pensioner, when he got a load of Molotov cocktails,

00:37:57.320 and started firebombing these welcoming centers, and then killed himself.

00:38:02.660 So that's where it's at where people still have some belief in democracy. If that's extinguished,

00:38:08.220 what are you expecting? Like, what would you really expect to happen at the end of all that?

00:38:13.280 And Nigel Farage said that, I think, in the last month. He said,

00:38:16.820 beware of what comes after us. If you want to... And I always said this about people like Nigel Farage,

00:38:21.900 and even I've said this about Tommy Robinson, is they are keeping desperate people in the system.

00:38:28.980 And if you cut off the Tommy Robinsons, and if you cut off the Nigel Farages, you aren't just

00:38:34.220 cutting off those men. You're cutting off the millions that these men have convinced to give

00:38:38.600 it one more shot. Tommy Robinson came back from Europe to meet his fate and spend his time in prison

00:38:44.360 willingly. He was submitting to the system. You could disagree with him on a hundred things,

00:38:48.440 but he's still part of the system enough and respectful of the system enough that he submitted

00:38:53.480 to its punishments. That's sort of quite something. Nigel Farage is trying so hard, and the man has

00:38:59.520 his flaws. I could list you a hundred. But if these two men are cut off, there's millions behind them

00:39:05.360 who say, well, if they can't do it, there's no chance. And I'm afraid of what you just described.

00:39:10.840 You know, we love the Brits. And of course, the slogan during the Second World War,

00:39:15.800 keep calm and carry on. That's such a British way of doing it. But 0.92

00:39:20.140 I think you bend over backwards so much your spinal shatter. I've learned a lot in our conversation

00:39:28.720 today, and I've kept you much longer than I promised I would. I'm grateful to you. Tell us

00:39:33.780 how we can find your videos, because you go to the most astonishing places, and you've told us

00:39:39.260 about it, but how do people see your work? What's the best way for people to follow you?

00:39:44.680 So the best place would be on YouTube. So there's the YouTube channel called Britannica,

00:39:49.040 or you could just type in tourism in Taliban Afghanistan. It'll probably show up in my face

00:39:53.520 there. But the most recent one was Iraq. So I decided to start the South, go to the North. 0.96

00:39:58.320 You know, and some of the subjects we're talking about came up there as well. And go and enjoy.

00:40:05.960 Yeah. I have so many things to say about Iraq. We've gone over twice to try and help

00:40:11.980 the Christian community there. But the only useful help we could go give them was to get them the 0.95

00:40:19.120 heck out of there. We actually sponsored some families through the Nazarene Fund to get them

00:40:25.620 into Australia. I am of the unhappy belief that there is actually no safe future for Christians

00:40:31.900 in Iraq, just like there is none in Syria, or even I'm worried about Lebanon. I just think that 0.99

00:40:38.720 those places are being colonized. We forget that, you know, Istanbul was once Constantinople.

00:40:47.000 Egypt was once a Christian country. Those places have been ethnically cleansed, if I can use that word. 1.00

00:40:53.280 Maybe because they didn't fight back, or maybe because they tried to fight back and were simply

00:40:57.040 beaten. So much to say, Callum. I won't keep you another moment, but I'm so grateful for your time

00:41:02.180 today.

00:41:04.080 No problem, man. Pleasure to be on.

00:41:05.780 Okay, well, stay safe. You're doing incredible work. All right, there he is, Callum Dara. You can find

00:41:10.580 him on his YouTube channel, Britannica. And what an informative visit we've had today. Stay with us.

00:41:19.480 Your letters to me next.

00:41:33.540 I've got letters on Mark Carney cutting spending. I'm a leaf says, it sounds more like Carney is

00:41:40.660 planning on selling off Canada, especially with Bill C5. There's so many things about Mark Carney's

00:41:47.700 ownership. The number one thing that gets me is that he refuses to sell these things. It's nuts.

00:41:53.520 The second thing is that they're about 99.5% American companies. I think there's like three

00:42:00.960 Canadian companies on the list of 600. I saw today a report of how many of these companies have been

00:42:08.080 lobbying, not just the government in general, but the prime minister's office since Carney became

00:42:14.860 elected. This is the worst conflict of interest. Trudeau was a piker. Trudeau was just stupid and

00:42:20.620 greedy and he just took free stuff. But Mark Carney is being lobbied by his own companies that he still 1.00

00:42:28.380 owns. Michael Harrietta says, strangest results to cut must be the new math. We went from a projected

00:42:37.940 $442 billion deficit to a $62 billion to now a $92 billion deficit. Strangest results due to subtraction I've ever

00:42:45.700 seen. The taboo on deficits is completely broken, which is a kind of generational theft. I mean, if you rack up a

00:42:53.660 deficit now, you're not going to be around to pay for it. Your kids and your grandkids will. Are you really buying

00:42:59.760 something that important? Is the $11 billion that Trudeau spent to promote feminism overseas really

00:43:06.680 worth racking up a debt for your kids? I doubt it. On the public safety minister, Paul Power says he is

00:43:13.920 incompetent. He is a classic DEI hire elevated to a position he should never be in. I'm going to disagree

00:43:20.640 with your wording there. DEI hire sounds like he's not competent. You say he's incompetent. No, no. The

00:43:26.300 problem is he's very competent. He was the lawyer, advocate, helper, promoter for a terrorist group.

00:43:33.120 That's not a man who's incompetent. That's a man who's dangerous. It's very different. The fact that 0.92

00:43:39.000 he would be allowed into cabinet and it's surely over the objections of the RCMP is just stunning.

00:43:45.500 Then again, we never did find out who those 11 Chinese MPs were. And by Chinese, I don't mean

00:43:50.940 ethnicity. I mean, they're on China's side. That's our show for today. Until next time, 1.00

00:43:56.640 on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night

00:44:00.020 night and not have. Keep fighting for freedom.

Rebel News Podcast - July 18, 2025

EZRA LEVANT ｜ What the West doesn't realize about Afghanistan： Callum Darragh

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