EZRA LEVANT ｜ What will a second Trump presidency mean for the United Kingdom？
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Ezra LeVant sits down with David Atherton to talk about the new Conservative Party Leader in the UK, Kimmy Babenock, and her plans for the future of the Conservative Party. He also talks about why he thinks Donald Trump should win the election.
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Hello, my friends. An exciting show today because we're talking to an amazing guy, David Atherton,
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one of my favorite British pundits and commentators, and we're doing that because we're recording
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today's show, of course, before the U.S. election is out. So we really don't know what's going to
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happen. So instead, David and I have a good conversation about the U.K. Did you know that
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they just chose a new leader of the U.K. Conservative Party? I bet you didn't know that.
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And the reason you didn't know that is because she is a black woman. And that just is a story
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that the liberal media doesn't want to tell you. So we'll talk about Kimmy Babenock, the new leader
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here's today's podcast. Tonight, as we all wait for the results from the United States,
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what's happening in the United Kingdom? And what could a Donald Trump win mean for that country?
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It's November 5th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show. Shame on you, you censorious bug.
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Well, it's election day in the United States. I hope you'll tune in later on tonight.
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We've got an amazing lineup for you. I'll be here at our world headquarters in Toronto. David
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Menzies will be in Washington, D.C. Alexa Lavoie will be in New York City outside Trump Tower.
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And of course, Avi Yamini will be in Florida. I understand he'll be in Mar-a-Lago.
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We also have 10 other guests who will be joining us throughout the night, so it really is going to
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be amazing. So make sure to tune in tonight. But for now, let us talk about one of my favorite
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countries. Canada is my most favorite. But in recent years, I've really learned a deep
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appreciation of our mother country, namely the United Kingdom. Not only do I love it because of
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its history, its architecture, its language, its poetry. I'll skip cuisine, although it's not that
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bad. But because I sometimes call it a dystopian time machine. If we want to see how things will be
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in Canada in five years, if we keep on current trends, whether it's censorship, the Islamification
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of the public square, mass immigration, street crime, well, look to the UK today. That's Canada
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in five years. We've also gotten involved a little bit over there. As you know, our former journalist,
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Tommy Robinson, who has gone on to his own journalism and activism, from time to time,
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wangs up in prison, never for a violent crime. In fact, this last imprisonment isn't for a crime at
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all. It's for civil contempt. And we find ourselves reporting on it, and in some cases,
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even crowdfunding his legal fees. So there's a lot to talk about. And a man who follows things
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closer than most is a journalist and broadcaster from the UK, our friend David Atherton, who's agreed
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to spend a little bit of time with us today. David, welcome back to the program. It's great to see
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you again. And you. It's always a pleasure to go on the show. It really is. I've certainly carved
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out a niche amongst the Commonwealth these days. I do quite a bit of work for Australia as well.
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Well, that's excellent. I mean, I think Australia and Canada are very similar in terms of our size
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and some of the same issues that I just talked about, freedom of speech, immigration, etc. Now,
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there was some news in the past couple of days from the UK that normally, I think, would be huge
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headlines in Canada. The Conservative Party of the UK, which got crushed in the last election under
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their sort of robotic leader, Rishi Sunak, had a leadership race. And there were two finalists. One
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was named Mr. Jenrick, who was actually very hardline on a number of issues. He talked about
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mass deportation of foreign migrants. And the other contender was Kenny Badenoch, a Nigerian Brit,
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who is really tough on those issues, too. And Kemi won. She's a she's more hardline than Rishi Sunak
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was. Give me a word on Kemi Badenoch. And I say that it would be bigger news if she were a woman of
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the left, because a black woman leading the Conservative Party, the party of Margaret Thatcher,
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would be huge news. But because she's a conservative, no one over here in the in the media and the regime
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media want to give it any airtime. Give me your thoughts on Kemi. Well, it's very, very interesting.
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You know, sort of the small C conservatives and the conservatives, you know, said, you know,
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Kemi Badenoch, prime minister, you know, moderate policies. And all the left of the liberals are going,
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oh, she's black. It's so it's ironic that the Conservative Party in Britain, the first Jewish
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prime minister, 1865 Benjamin Disraeli, as the first leader, I should say, in 1975, they had the
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first woman leader, which was obviously Baroness Thatcher. And 2022 was Rishi Sunak, the first Asian
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prime minister. And now it's obviously the first African, black African leader of the Conservative
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Party's got. And it's a lot more what the socialists have done. You know, they've been, you know,
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they just do not seem to appear to be able to attract the talent, you know, from from the BAME community
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to worthy of getting to the top. And the thing is, you know, there's always a suspicion, you know,
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with the socialists and the Labour Party, everybody else, that if somebody from a minority or sex or whatever
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did become leader, is it a DEI hire, you know, diversity, equity, inclusion hire, rather than
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with the Conservative Party, you know, for sure, she's there on merit, and not because they're sort
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of, you know, you know, you know, what's the word being patronising towards people of, you know,
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whether that's bisexuality or, or colour. Yeah, you know, Keir Starmer, the Labour Party
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Prime Minister, put out a tweet congratulating her, and didn't refer to any of her ideas or
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accomplishments other than her blackness. And, you know, it, on the one hand, it is a powerful
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antidote to the accusations that Conservatives are racist. On another, on the other hand, it sort of
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reduces her to nothing more than her immutable characteristics that she really has nothing to
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do with. Let me play a little clip for you, David. This is a montage put together by Turning Point UK
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some of Kemi's stances on different issues. Let's just show our viewers that and then let's come
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back and you and I can talk a little bit about what she stands for. Here's Kemi Badenoch in her
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own words. Take a look. I don't think that a culture that thinks gay people should be stoned
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is as valid as ours. We do not want to see teachers teaching their white peoples about white privilege
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and inherited racial guilt. People should not be made to feel guilty for questioning levels of
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immigration, legal or illegal, if it is changing the place they know and love. If people don't want
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their taxes to pay for foreign criminals to be in our jails or on our streets, those criminals should
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be removed. Our country is not a dormitory for people just here to make money or a hotel for those
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passing through. It is our home and no one else will look after it. The things she said there are not
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particularly controversial if you ask a severely normal Brit. But, you know, if you are a indigenous
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white Brit and you say those things, you will absolutely be called a racist for it. So maybe
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Kemi Badenoch is the only person who can say those things without being tarred as a white supremacist.
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Although, as soon as I say this, a very senior labor MP, a black woman herself, said that Kemi Badenoch
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is the black face of white supremacy. So even though she's black, she's called a white supremacist.
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And I don't know. You can't win, can you? You know, somebody recently was let off in court
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for describing Richie Sunak as well as Braverman as coconuts, you know. And I've got the Oriole jokes
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of the house N-word jokes and things like that, or insults, I should say. They get it all the time,
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you know. And, you know, it really is, you know, the left are the real racists in the world. The liberal
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left and the regressives are the most disgusting people, you know, when it comes to outright in-your-face
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racism. So if Nigel Farage has said something similar about black people, he'd be crucified. He will be,
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he will be, you know, thrown out of parliament, that he'd be deplatformed, he'd be cancelled,
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and he'd be shunned from all polite society, never to be seen again. No, the barefaced hypocrisy
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of the left is just butter-clenching. You know, the two finalists in the UK race, Mr. Jenrick,
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who I think was even harder lying than Kemi, both of them really seemed to me to be a response
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to Nigel Farage's Reform UK. Although Reform UK only got, I don't know, five or six seats in the
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parliament, they got millions of votes. And it was primarily for talking about mass immigration
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and the problems that flow therefrom. It seems to me that the Conservative Party's leadership
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was an attempt to deal with that. Would you agree with my assessment? And would you say that Kemi
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will be able to win any of those Nigel Farage Reform UK voters back, or are they with Nigel for good?
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Right. Do you want the inside story on Kemi, which you won't necessarily hear this anywhere else?
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Kemi Badenoch, I think, is the establishments, the elites, the World Economic Forum types,
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the globalists is what I'm referring to. And she's, you know, she is the blobs, you know,
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the swamp's choice. And so she said all the right things to get elected. Apparently, the person
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behind her campaign is a guy called Michael Gove, who used to be the levelling up minister.
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And, you know, he's a weasel, he's a snake. And there are two wings to the Conservative Party.
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One is what's called the One Nation Tories, which is basically the left of the party.
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They're kind of woke. In fact, they're very woke. And then you have sort of the right of the party,
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which is the traditional side of Conservative, as it was under Margaret Thatcher.
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But, you know, basically, Kemi Badenoch is not the real deal. I think she was totally insincere.
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And her major, major fault, which will never be forgotten, is that she wants,
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she will not be looking to get Britain to leave the European Court of Human Rights, the UCHR.
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Now, what that does is, it goes beyond, it goes, if you're American or whatever,
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there is one court beyond British courts you can appeal to in a case. And that's based,
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based in, I think it's based in Brussels. It's certainly based in Europe. And these judges are
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not British. They're foreign people. And they're creating British law, you know, when they don't
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have any knowledge of British law. And, you know, there's a case recently of a Ugandan guy.
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He was part of a gang that were involving a fracas with knives and baseball bats in Wood Green in North
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London. And a guy was stabbed. And he was placed in an ambulance by the paramedics. And this Ugandan
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born guy went in there and stabbed him to death. And because he was, at the end of his sentence,
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which comes up in about three or four years' time, they wanted to deport him back to Uganda.
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But the ECHR ruled that they couldn't because his mental health wasn't good enough.
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And the mental health services in Uganda weren't good enough to treat him.
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There are scores and scores. There was an Indian guy who, for example,
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was producing and selling child paedophilia. Some of it was AR generated. Some was actually
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real kids who were actually abused. And he produced them, he sold them, and he made money out of them.
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Now, he won't be deported because of the decision from the ECHR. Because if we send him back to India,
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his right to a family life, I think it's article 8 of the ECHR charter, he won't be able to see his
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wife and children again or partner and children again. The ECHR gives outrage after outrage when
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it comes to these judgments of people. We're not in charge of our borders. A foreign court is in
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I don't understand that because I know that the Brexit vote called to leave the EU. So, you know,
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letting a European court be the court of final appeal to the UK sure doesn't sound like Brexit was
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All right. Let me just let me just qualify that for you. The ECHR is not a part of the European Union.
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Yeah. Internally, it's the European Court of Justice, which is the European one that's run by
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the European Union. But the ECHR is external to the EU. However, if you're a member of the EU,
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you have to be a member of the ECHR. So there is some tie up there.
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You know, it sounds very un-British. I mean, I should tell you that Canada, our final court of
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appeal until the 1940s was called the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council in the UK.
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So when we were still almost like a colony, you could appeal your final ruling to London.
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But part of being a grown up country in Canada was getting our own Supreme Court. And it's not
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a disrespect to the UK. It's okay. We're a real country now. It's time to grow up.
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The fact that the UK would allow judges in a foreign court, foreign judges to have sovereignty
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over basically a veto over the elected legislators of the UK, I find that astonishing. And it's not
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like you're a newish country like Canada. You're centuries old. I don't get that.
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No, no, no. We have some of the oldest written in modern European times, you know, the oldest
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written constitution, for example, Magna Carta for 1215. You know, we've had common
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law since going back to Anglo-Saxon times, and we're more than capable of running our own country
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as a legal basis. So there, you know, whether it's going to be in print, TV, mainstream media,
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or social media, we, you know, we can externally look at, look into, you know, the, what a British
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Supreme Court would do. No, that's fine. No, and you know, the ECHR is causing complete outrage.
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And the thing is, getting to the point is Kemi Bainhock said she's not committed
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to leaving it because she thinks there'll be too much of a civil war in the Conservative Party,
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Um, isn't that interesting? Well, I have one more question for you about Kemi Bainhock, and it's
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sort of the same question that Kamala Harris was asked on The View, which is sort of a women's TV
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show during the day, which is, she was asked, is there anything you disagree with Joe Biden on over
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the last four years? And she said no, which is an honest but astonishing thing to say when things
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have not been going well. And, and I have sort of a variation on that question for Kemi, which is,
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if she's talking tough about the things that we showed in that turning point montage there,
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where was she for the past 14 years of Tory rule? Like it's, like you can be against the last three
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months or however long it's been since the Labour's been in power, but all the things that are a problem
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today have been a problem for years and they, and she was on the inside. What, why should, and I think
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this is Nigel Farage's argument, which is why should she be trusted when suddenly she discovers she's a
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tough conservative today? Yeah, as I mentioned, she, she's a conservative party continuity candidate.
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No, she, she, she reflects the last 14 years of conservative rule. And, you know, if she ever does
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become prime minister or near prime minister or whatever, that she's got, she's going to be in
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very, we will just get more of the same old, same old that we've had the last 14 years. You know, whether
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Robert Jenrick was sincere, I think he was actually, I think he was. I think his time as an immigration
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minister saw the full horrors of what, what immigrate, how much it costs, what actually goes on,
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what level of crime they're committing. I really think it was a wake up call. That's one of the
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reasons he turned, he turned to the right and out reformed reform. But no, no, I, I think, you know,
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Kevin Bain will prove to be a complete disaster for conservative party. It's obviously particularly
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early days. But I just get my, my, my water tells me, my gut instinct tells me that this is going
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to be the same old, same old Tory party. You know, the king is dead, long live the king,
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meet the new boss, same as the old boss sort of thing. And it probably will be a terrific
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opportunity for the reform party. You know, Nigel Farage must have, must have, must have been
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rubbing his hands in glee at her election rather than Robert Jenrick. Time will tell,
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but I hope I'm wrong. But I just don't think Kemi Bain is the ticket we're looking for.
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You know, I want to play just one more Kemi video before we move on. As I mentioned at the top of the
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show, we have a personal relationship with Tommy Robinson. He's a former employee of ours. And from
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time to time, I help with crowdfunding his legal fees. I mean, he is his own independent shop. He has not
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been a member of our company in half a dozen years, but we have an affection for him. And I know he's
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prickly and I know he's a rambunctious fella, but I see within him, someone fighting for certain
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British values. And as Majid Nawaz says, he's filled the void left by others. Here's Kemi Bainok when she
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was asked about Tommy Robinson's recent sentence. I was there in the court in Woolwich when he was
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sentenced. Here's Kemi giving her views on that. Take a look. Well, he pleaded guilty. So that means
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that he felt that he had done something wrong. And once you plead guilty, then the court process
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takes over. I don't think that many young people support Tommy Robinson. I'm sure that there are
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some who do. But I think it's very important that young people understand that the justice system
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in this country is fair. And where people believe that it isn't, they should contact their local
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representatives, their members of parliament, so that we can do what we can to make it better.
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Lots of people do support Tommy Robinson. Do you think his activism is good for the UK?
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I'm sure lots of people support all sorts of people. We should look at what it is we're trying
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to achieve in society. And I believe that we want a society where there is a lot of social cohesion.
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It doesn't mean that there's perfection or that we are living in a utopia. But all that I try and do
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as a politician is bring people together. You look at some of the work I did as a minister on inclusive
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Britain, making sure that people, whatever their ancestry and heritage, believe that they have a
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place in this country and love it rather than feel embarrassed about their history or don't have
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pride in their country. We want people to be patriotic and have pride. You know, I was there
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in court and I understand why he pled guilty, because the facts are he was in contempt of the injunction.
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I think it's almost a word trick to say he felt he admitted he had done something wrong. I think,
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sure, I don't think he feels he did something wrong. That's why he refused to take down the video.
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And is going to serve a sentence of 18 months. He'll only serve nine. But when she says that we
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have a fair justice system, I think a lot of people on the right look at what there's a phrase,
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two-tier Keir, as in Keir Starmer, that he's two tiers of justice. And I think you see that every day.
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There were people who were thrown in prison for two plus years because they tweeted something
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considered Islamophobic, like a word crime, two years in prison. And yet actual street crimes are
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not given that same sentence. And I just feel like I was listening to a defender of the status quo,
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not the leader of his majesty's loyal opposition there. She was defend, and I'm not asking her to
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be friends with Tommy Robinson. That's an acquired taste. But for her to say, no, no, everything's
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fair. Everything's fine. If you don't like it, fill out this form and talk to this, you know,
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local committee and blah, blah, blah. And it's all about cohesion and smoothing over any disagreements.
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There is an essential disagreement in the UK, and I don't know if it can be smoothed over. It has to be
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dealt with head on. What do you think? Absolutely. Funny to say that. When you were playing the clip,
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you probably saw me furiously flicking through my phone, because I actually replied to that clip
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this morning from Kenny Blaine. So far, it's got 40,000 views at the moment. I thought that was
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absolutely appalling what she said there. It's tough to work out whether these people know what the real
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scorer is with Tommy. I've always said Tommy's a flawed character. He's sometimes the architect of
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his own downfall. I've said it to his face as well. But on the other side, on balance,
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I think he's a great force for good in this country. He's been right on most issues,
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whether it's the grooming gangs, after his interview in 2011 with Jeremy Batson on the BBC,
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whether it's Muslim gangs running prisons in this country, or whether the Digby mosque seven years
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ago was a den of extremism. It's only been recently revealed again by the establishment that it is
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actually a den of Islam extremism. So he's right on everything. And Kenny Badenhold, dismissing him
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in like he is. They either know he's right, and they want to suppress what he's saying,
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or they bought into the media narrative towards him. Both are equally as bad. I think Kenny Badenhold
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probably knows what the score is, but it's forced to parrot these misses of attacking Tommy Robinson.
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By the way, in a reply, because I actually replied to that actual clip, I estimate that probably 20%
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of the population genuinely agree and completely stand behind Tommy Robinson on that. I would guess
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another 10 or 20% are reasonably mildly sympathetic to what you say. It may be more. I just deliberately
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went for modest figures. But you know, when you're sort of speaking for 40% of the electorate,
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that's a lot of the people he's speaking for. And also, the other thing I've noticed as well,
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um, I wrote an article, um, for the Conservative woman actually, and, um, I'm teardering at the
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weekends. And, um, and, uh, where I thought, I looked at sort of, you know, the conundrum that
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the reform party had when it comes to Tommy Robinson, because, you know, whilst not all reform voters are
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off Tommy Robinson fans, you know, um, most, most Tommy Robinson fans will lean towards the reform
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party. That's the word. Look at things. And, uh, you know, it seems to have moved the dial a bit.
00:25:10.300
And also as well, there's, there's two, two, um, presenters on talk TV, which is sort of, um,
00:25:16.380
you know, it's straight down the line. The presenters are sort of, you know, center-rightish,
00:25:20.540
classical liberal, you know, tell-it-how-it-is free speech absolutists. And they've also done
00:25:25.980
that on the private, uh, uh, YouTube and podcast channels. Um, they've, uh, they've done some
00:25:35.100
sympathetic stuff on Tommy Robinson. And also, also Rupert Lowe, the, um, the reform MP for, uh,
00:25:42.460
Great Yarmouth, Great Yarmouth, I think it is, or certainly encompasses, uh, lower stuff. Uh,
00:25:47.340
uh, but Rupert Lowe has written to the, uh, the Ministry of Justice, uh, because his
00:25:52.380
constituents have written to him, wanting to make sure that Tommy Robinson's welfare is looked after
00:25:57.180
in prison. And, um, also as well, one thing I noticed as well, Richard Tice, who was very,
00:26:01.980
very rude about Robinson. Um, you know, I think he referred to his supporters as, we don't want that lot.
00:26:08.540
Um, maybe, maybe the tide is slightly turning in Tommy's favour. Maybe, you know, maybe them,
00:26:14.380
maybe sometime in the future, whereby the substance will have to have to deal with him.
00:26:18.860
Rather than dismiss him, they will have to speak to him and maybe, maybe meet us, meet, meet, meet
00:26:24.380
him and his supporters and the rest of the public halfway on, on, on immigration and, uh, the way,
00:26:30.780
way we deal with Islam in this country. You know, things could be reasonably encouraging.
00:26:35.340
I don't know. If only had bloody broadcast that flame in video, though, he could have been well on
00:26:40.860
the way to, um, you know, redemption. The example I always give is, what would you think of somebody
00:26:47.020
who was part of a prescribed terrorist group, uh, who, uh, whose members planted bombs in department
00:26:52.300
stores? What would you think of somebody like that, Ezra? Well, I would be against that.
00:26:59.020
Okay. Yeah. That's, uh, Nelson Mandela. One of the, one of the great people of the 20th century.
00:27:06.460
You know, that's, that's how he started off. You know, he, he, he was, you know, you look at the way,
00:27:11.180
you know, the Sinn Féin IRA was included into the, uh, into the processes, uh, in the Northern
00:27:17.740
Ireland, Northern Ireland-Windsor agreement, in my opinion. Um, you know, I only got to show you that,
00:27:23.100
you know, everyone is beyond, you know, everyone can, can have redemption. Yeah. Um, so, um, yeah,
00:27:28.300
you know, Nelson Mandela was, um, his members planted bombs in the department stores to kill civilians,
00:27:33.900
you know, and they were prescribed, uh, international prescribed, uh, terrorist organization,
00:27:39.820
the ANC. So, no, I, I think things are looking slightly better. I think one of the other reasons,
00:27:45.020
well, if I, if I just explain, I think like, because the Labour Party is so far to the left,
00:27:51.180
so far to the left, they've left a massive gap for the, for the open window to expand. And,
00:27:57.820
you know, what was, you know, one time calling all the people coming out of the channel and invasion
00:28:02.860
was thought to be highly racist and New York cancelled, that's acceptable now. And also,
00:28:07.420
as well, the other thing that's sort of slowly coming into the fore is the talk of re-immigration.
00:28:11.260
Um, you know, Robert, Robert Jenrick was talking about re-immigration and both other,
00:28:16.860
it's a, it's a very much a talking point point for people in this country at the moment.
00:28:21.980
Well, we'll know later tonight, or perhaps it won't, we won't know tonight, uh, if the U.S. votes
00:28:28.220
for Donald Trump, who has talked about mass deportations. And it's certainly something
00:28:33.500
that is pregnant in Canada too. Justin Trudeau is letting in 2 million people a year in a country
00:28:40.140
of 40 million. It's an astonishing number. Sure. Um, although Nigel Farage has gone on record
00:28:46.700
saying he will not, uh, support mass deportations. Let me close on Tommy Robinson. I would not compare
00:28:54.460
him to Nelson Mandela, although I, I see your point, which is, uh, Nelson Mandela was part of
00:28:59.420
a prescribed group, but I understand your point. Um, I see Tommy Robinson as someone who is keeping
00:29:05.100
millions of indigenous, white British people, working class people, poor people, keeping them
00:29:10.380
hopeful and engaged in the system. And without, cause Tommy's trying his best. He's trying to be
00:29:16.460
a journalist. He's trying to, you know, he didn't run away from the law. He came back to the UK to face
00:29:22.380
his fate. He didn't run away. He's a civil prisoner, not a criminal prisoner. So he's trying to play by the
00:29:28.540
rules. And if he's being unpersoned, he is the link that keep like, if he's gone, God forbid, if he's
00:29:35.580
killed in prison and they're putting him in the worst prisons, these people will say, oh,
00:29:40.700
if, if you have no room for Tommy, if you'll denounce him, marginalize him, and perhaps even
00:29:45.500
kill him, then there's no chance for anyone like me. And they'll drop out of the system. And perhaps
00:29:51.340
there will be more riots. You talked about support for him. There was a major British poll in the wake
00:29:56.540
of the race riots earlier this year that showed what you said. A lot of people, while they didn't
00:30:01.500
support the riots, they at least understood them. And I fear for the path of the UK.
00:30:09.660
If Trump is elected, what does it mean for the Labour Party? Because they rhetorically despise
00:30:16.700
and disparage Trump at every turn. And, and there was a recent hullabaloo of a bunch of Labour Party
00:30:23.500
volunteers talking about going to America to door knock and campaign against Trump on the ground.
00:30:29.100
What, now, who knows, maybe Kamala Harris will pull it out of the, out of the rabbit out of her hat.
00:30:36.060
If Trump is elected, just in that hypothetical, what will the relationship be between those two
00:30:41.900
countries? It was, you know, it's the special relationship, US and UK are best friends.
00:30:47.260
What happens when you've got a woke bully like Keir Starmer versus a stubborn man like Trump?
00:30:54.380
I think we're heading for a disaster here, aren't we? Just very briefly, I've always thought that the
00:31:01.980
special relationship is a vanity of the British. You know, we only have a special relationship
00:31:09.420
with America because it suits America, rather than the other way round. I think the bad relations with,
00:31:17.740
between Trump and the Labour Party started off with David Lammy, who's currently the now
00:31:26.940
Foreign Secretary, where about five years ago, he called it racist, he called it a big, you know,
00:31:33.100
he tried out the same old, boring old cliches that took the CNN talking points. Then we then, then that
00:31:41.900
Labour Party employee. She wasn't an activist. She was an employee of the Labour Party, was arranged
00:31:49.100
for 100, 100 Labour supporters to go, to go over to America and, and help with, with the canvassing
00:31:55.660
and what have you. I think that made backfire. I think that made backfire. You know, if an American
00:32:02.220
knocked on my door and said, Oh, are you voting for the Labour Party? I probably think the future
00:32:07.020
choice was to say to him. And no, I really, it really is completely bad manners, where, you know,
00:32:14.780
to interfere in somebody else's election. That's because you don't have to like the candidate.
00:32:19.340
I'm sorry, it's not your business, you just stay out of it. No, you know, you tweet your support,
00:32:23.740
you can say, Oh, you know, hurrah Kamala or whatever her name is. But you know, you should not
00:32:28.940
be out there. And also, just to rub everyone's nose in it. What's his name? Robert Buckland,
00:32:35.020
used to be the Attorney General of Britain and the Conservative administration. He's gone to
00:32:41.660
America to canvass for the Democrats as well. There's not only the Labour Party, there is a
00:32:45.420
Conservative member party as well. But this put it, I think Trump is, is a vow to go after the Labour Party.
00:32:55.020
If he does get into power, I wish Donald Trump well. And so I think I think the person who will be in
00:33:01.340
charge of, of Anglo American relations, should Trump get in, will be Nigel Farage.
00:33:08.620
Wow. Yeah. Well, I mean, I don't know if the Labour Party would like that.
00:33:13.580
I mean, I think that, yeah, you know, you'll have a chat, mate, you know, I've got his number.
00:33:17.900
Yeah. I mean, there's a couple of Brits that Donald Trump gets along with Nigel Farage,
00:33:21.980
and I think Piers Morgan is another they were buddies on his show The Apprentice.
00:33:26.060
Let me show you a clip. It's not just that. I mean, I think perhaps the second most famous
00:33:31.100
person in the world, I think the most famous person in the world is probably Donald Trump.
00:33:34.380
And I think one, perhaps the second most famous would be Elon Musk, who has gone in full
00:33:41.980
tilt with the Republicans. He's campaigning every day. He's giving away a million dollars a day to
00:33:47.980
people who sign his petition. Like, it's extraordinary. But he recently said he was afraid
00:33:55.100
to travel to the United Kingdom because everyone from Keir Starmer on down has been talking about
00:34:01.980
criminalizing mean tweets. And, you know, the creator, the CEO of the social media app Telegram,
00:34:10.780
Pavel Durov was arrested in Paris. Here's Elon Musk saying he's literally afraid
00:34:18.140
of visiting the UK for fear of being arrested. Although, you know, we've got quite a lot of
00:34:21.980
bureaucracy here. But in Europe, they've got country level bureaucracy, and then they've got EU
00:34:26.620
bureaucracy on top of that. You know, I mean, the EU headquarters in Brussels is a monument to
00:34:32.620
bureaucracy. It's really next level. You know, and they don't, unlike America, they don't have a
00:34:41.820
First Amendment. You don't actually have freedom of speech in Europe. So, you know, but we're kind of
00:34:51.820
like a pretty rare situation having freedom of speech. So, you know, like there's crazy stuff
00:34:58.620
happening in the UK where, you know, people are getting, like, two, three-year prison sentences
00:35:09.580
Yeah. Like, I'm like, I don't think I should go to, you know, visit Britain, because I'm like,
00:35:16.780
they're going to, like, drag out some, you know, tweet and say two years in prison for this tweet
00:35:22.300
or something bullshit like that, you know. So, anyway, I think that's, you know, it's Trump elected,
00:35:27.820
we can put a stop to that stuff and say, like, ah, no way. No, no. Nope.
00:35:37.500
No throwing people in prison for random social media posts. That's crazy.
00:35:43.420
Yeah, it's happened a lot. No, I mean, it's so crazy in Britain that they actually have released
00:35:50.540
convicted pedophiles in order to imprison people for making social media posts. That is a real thing
00:35:55.740
that happened. Insane. Now, he may be overstating things a little bit, but let me show you this
00:36:01.260
exchange between one of my favorite British broadcasters, Trevor Phillips, and a Labour
00:36:08.060
cabinet minister who was putting together an investment symposium of foreign billionaires
00:36:12.940
trying to gin up investment in the UK. Well, who's got more money than Elon Musk? Musk has expressed
00:36:19.020
interest in the UK for a number of his projects. And look at Trevor Phillips ask, I think three times,
00:36:25.900
why the Labour government will not invite Elon Musk. This, I mean, I love Trevor Phillips more every day.
00:36:33.020
And by the way, I bumped into him at the Tommy Robinson rally at Westminster on last weekend. Now,
00:36:40.860
I don't know if he was just passing through, but I saw Trevor Phillips and I chatted with him for about
00:36:45.500
10 seconds. So maybe he was there to get the facts on his own, or maybe he was passing by.
00:36:50.620
Trevor Phillips versus the Labour Party on Elon Musk. Take a look. Why didn't you invite Elon Musk?
00:36:56.460
You're desperate to get a company which sacks its employees by Zoom, but you're stiffy about the
00:37:04.220
biggest car maker in the world because he put something on social media he didn't like.
00:37:08.460
Look, I'm not going to comment on particular invitations for particular personnel.
00:37:12.700
Come on. Elon Musk is not some odd invitation. It is Elon Musk, biggest car maker in the world,
00:37:18.300
richest man in the world. Why didn't you invite him? Look, I'm not going to comment on the reasons
00:37:22.540
for any specific person, but I can tell you we have 300 of the most significant investors,
00:37:28.380
business figures, people who can bring significant amounts of capital to the UK. Big names,
00:37:34.220
things that will make a big difference to working people's lives, and that's the criteria. You're
00:37:37.820
happy to talk to me about DP World, who sacks their workers. You're happy to invite the Saudis,
00:37:43.420
who authorise the murder of Jamal Khashoggi, and they get the red carpet. Why isn't Musk being
00:37:50.460
invited? This is you in opposition, isn't it, again? No, not at all. This is about who can bring the
00:37:56.940
kind of investments that will make the biggest difference to the UK, to working people's lives,
00:38:01.260
the fact that we have, I think, in 100 days... Oh, Musk hasn't got a bob or two that he could
00:38:05.020
put into Britain. Well, look, the criteria and the selection. This is a summit. I know that
00:38:10.780
everyone wants to come. I do understand that. Not everyone can come, and I'm not going to be right
00:38:15.340
to go through the individual decisions for individual people, but this is about what will
00:38:19.740
make the biggest difference. Look, you understand how weird this sounds. You want people to come and
00:38:26.700
invest in Britain. You want people to bring their money, yet the one person who probably has got
00:38:34.060
more money to burn and would probably like to invest in Britain... In fact, he says so publicly
00:38:39.500
when he didn't get the invitation. You're deciding he's not good enough for what reason?
00:38:45.340
No, look, if people have an investment proposition for the UK, of course, I will talk to them
00:38:51.020
about it. I'm not going to go through... Look, thousands of people, Trevor, wanted to come
00:38:54.780
to this summit. Oh, come on. Of course they did. Elon Musk is not thousands of people. Well, look,
00:38:59.420
I'll simply say that the people coming, you'll see the scale of the investments, you'll see
00:39:03.100
the opportunities for the UK, you'll see the kind of quality and depth of the engagement this new
00:39:08.460
government has, and I think to individually talk about a certain person here or there, look,
00:39:12.620
that's not right on them or on the government. So the Labour government hates him,
00:39:17.020
not because they hate billionaires. They love billionaires on the left. They hate this guy
00:39:22.220
because he's for free speech, he's anti-woke, and he's not your typical CEO who's afraid of
00:39:32.060
governments. What do you make of this? Would they actually arrest Elon Musk? Are they going to try and
00:39:39.180
attack his company legally, like give it a huge fine? What do you think the Labour Party in the UK
00:39:44.460
wants to do to Elon Musk on Twitter? I don't think he would be, because the publicity that
00:39:50.620
the Labour Party, negative publicity, would just be even worse. As far as I'm concerned, democracy
00:39:59.260
is over in this country. Until we have a change of government or a change of leader, I do not see
00:40:04.700
Britain that we live in a democratic country anymore. Free speech is under threat. We now have
00:40:11.740
political prisoners like Tommy Robinson. The most egregious example of a little prisoner is a guy
00:40:17.500
called Wado Rourke, who looked after his disabled partner. And he was given three years for saying
00:40:26.140
that the killer was a Muslim, when that might now hold water. Certainly, the person who was accused of
00:40:35.660
the murder of the three little girls in Southport has an Al-Qaeda manual. I also know some other
00:40:41.420
information, which I can't reveal, which confirms that Wayne O'Rourke was probably almost certainly
00:40:46.300
correct. So, yeah. So therefore, somebody went to jail for telling the truth. And that is an
00:40:54.700
absolute disgrace. And three years as well. You know, I can see a six-month suspended sentence
00:41:00.540
because the guy hadn't done anything wrong in the past. He had a clean record. I can see six months,
00:41:05.500
maybe a big fine, something like that. But, you know, the draconian, spiteful and nasty,
00:41:12.220
ghastly way that Stable went about stitching up all those people, railroaded them in the police
00:41:19.820
station. He set up 24-hour courts. You know, you know, you're sort of dragged in at two o'clock
00:41:25.740
in the morning, bleary-eyed to plead guilty to violent disorder. And also, yeah, probably the
00:41:33.660
one that really makes it the worst example is Peter Lynch, 61. He hung himself, apparently he
00:41:40.300
hung himself in prison because of depression. We don't know why, but he hung himself in prison.
00:41:47.420
You know, he did not throw a brick. He did not throw a bottle. He did not strike anybody.
00:41:52.620
You know, all he did was standing on the sidelines, you know, screaming scum at the police and
00:41:58.540
generally abusing them verbally. You know, he got two years, eight months for that.
00:42:03.820
Absolutely disgraceful. And, you know, and the other thing is, you know, the other factor which
00:42:09.340
we don't know about Peter Lynch's death is whether he was bullied by other inmates, particularly Muslims.
00:42:15.740
We don't know that. We want to find out. Yeah. Well, you know, Tommy Robinson was moved from
00:42:21.340
Belmarsh to HMP Woodhill, which is 37 percent Muslim. And of course, the reason there's so many
00:42:30.060
conversions to Islam in prison is that's how you stay safe. You convert to Islam, join the Muslim
00:42:36.220
gang and you're protected. And if you're in prison, either because you're Tommy Robinson and you're
00:42:41.020
notoriously a skeptic of Islam, or you're someone like Peter Lynch or these other people,
00:42:45.740
you're going to be a target. You'll immediately become marked. And any member of the Muslim gang
00:42:51.180
that kills you or harms you is going to be a hero. And it's so obvious that the prison governors do not
00:42:57.340
run the prisons. UK prisons are completely out of control. That's why they have to put Tommy Robinson
00:43:02.300
in solitary confinement. So he's not killed. I'm very worried about the UK. Tell me, let's,
00:43:09.020
can you leave me on a hopeful note? Is there any reason to be hopeful? Because we don't want to,
00:43:14.300
there are some great things going on in the UK in the name of freedom. There are some,
00:43:18.700
I can think of some, but I'd like to ask you if there's, what are you hanging on to? What observation,
00:43:24.300
anecdote, factoid, trend, or person even is reason to be optimistic? Sure. Um, I, I think the Labour
00:43:33.100
Party is, will, um, will, uh, take tears. Let me start again. The Labour Party, I think, will completely
00:43:40.300
combust. There will not be a Labour Party in five years' time. You know, there'll be, there'll be ashes
00:43:45.980
of the Labour Party. There may be a new social democratic party. Maybe the Liberal Democrats, uh, will,
00:43:51.660
will take their place as, uh, Britain's second party. Um, but, you know, the Labour Party will
00:43:57.180
have done everything wrong, um, where, where it's sort of civil rights, the economy, uh, you know,
00:44:03.500
the way, where they deal with immigration, they're going to be absolutely hopeless. And, you know,
00:44:06.940
people are going to really loathe him or even hate him by the end of it. I think they're going to see
00:44:11.580
their destruction. A little Democrats, as I say, might take over. Um, what I, what I, what I,
00:44:18.220
what I hope for is, is a, uh, renaissance of the Reform Party. Um, I just speak to one of
00:44:23.740
other insiders, uh, a couple of months back, and they said, if this Russian rubbish hadn't,
00:44:28.380
uh, turned up, they probably would have won another, another 20 seats. They lost three percent,
00:44:33.180
um, you know, in the last week, week of the, uh, last week of the campaign. And they lost,
00:44:38.700
lost, lost, let's say, possibly up to as much as 20 seats. So I, I should imagine at the next
00:44:44.380
general election, um, we will have a, uh, reform party, which may get maybe even a hundred seats,
00:44:52.220
and that will give them substantial influence, substantial power in parliament. And let's hope
00:44:57.820
that that will be, that will be a springboard for, uh, a far better Britain, because at the moment,
00:45:02.860
it's very grim, you know, whereas I think everyone's all kind of hanging on by, by, you know, by the skin
00:45:07.020
of their teeth and, you know, the skin of their, you know, their fingertips and fingernails,
00:45:11.740
that kind of thing. It's a really, Britain's a really quite depressing place at the, place at
00:45:15.340
the moment. And, you know, as you mentioned, you want to be slightly positive about things.
00:45:19.020
You know, the three Tommy Robinson rallies, everyone, you know, went away feeling positive.
00:45:25.420
Everyone went away feeling better about themselves. So, um, but, you know, tomorrow's another day,
00:45:30.860
you know, it's not as sure as they say in France. So, yeah. Um, so onwards and upwards, chin up,
00:45:36.540
we're British, stiff upper lip, carry on, you know, keep calm and carry on.
00:45:41.180
Well, thank you so much for spending the better than, uh, almost an hour with us. It's great to
00:45:47.740
see you again. I look forward to meeting you one day when I go to the UK for one of Tommy's
00:45:52.220
interminable court hearings. You have left me with, um, a bit of a sinking feeling that Kemi
00:45:57.420
Badenock, who I really am trying hard to admire. You scared me because I think she does, especially
00:46:03.820
her answer about, Oh, the justice is fair. Everything's fine. Social cohesion. That really did feel like a deep
00:46:10.140
state answer rather than the answer of a reformer. Um, and I, and I'm worried that there'll be a
00:46:15.900
split on the, on the right between Nigel Farage and Kemi Badenock, which might allow the, the rump
00:46:22.140
of a labor party to come up the middle, but we'll keep reporting on it. And hopefully that you and I
00:46:27.420
can keep in touch because I'd love from time to time to have you update our viewers.
00:46:30.460
Josh. Yeah. You know me, you know, I'm, uh, uh, I'm 24 seven available. So, uh, you know,
00:46:36.060
it's very civilized as well, you know, speaking, you know, four o'clock, five o'clock in the
00:46:41.340
afternoon. Good time for me. Uh, I can then open a bottle of wine. Well, that's great. Nice to see
00:46:47.180
you again, David Atherton, a British journalist and broadcaster. Good luck over there in the UK and,
00:46:52.620
and good luck to the whole world tonight. And bless Canada as well. Thank you. Thank you. Bye-bye.
00:46:57.340
Well, there you have it. That's our show for today. Make sure you tune in to our live election night
00:47:03.660
coverage. We'll have reporters in Washington, New York, and Mar-a-Lago, Florida, as well as 10
00:47:09.140
different guests joining us throughout the night. Until next time, on behalf of all of us here at
00:47:14.220
Rebel World Headquarters to you at home, good night and keep fighting for freedom.