Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ What will a second Trump presidency mean for the United Kingdom？

00:00:00.140 Hello, my friends. An exciting show today because we're talking to an amazing guy, David Atherton,

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00:00:15.340 happen. So instead, David and I have a good conversation about the U.K. Did you know that

00:00:20.200 they just chose a new leader of the U.K. Conservative Party? I bet you didn't know that.

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00:00:35.180 of the U.K. Conservative Party. And I want to play you some videos about who she is. So please

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00:01:59.320 here's today's podcast. Tonight, as we all wait for the results from the United States,

00:02:18.280 what's happening in the United Kingdom? And what could a Donald Trump win mean for that country?

00:02:23.100 It's November 5th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show. Shame on you, you censorious bug. 0.50

00:02:41.100 Well, it's election day in the United States. I hope you'll tune in later on tonight.

00:02:45.560 We've got an amazing lineup for you. I'll be here at our world headquarters in Toronto. David

00:02:50.420 Menzies will be in Washington, D.C. Alexa Lavoie will be in New York City outside Trump Tower.

00:02:57.220 And of course, Avi Yamini will be in Florida. I understand he'll be in Mar-a-Lago.

00:03:01.880 We also have 10 other guests who will be joining us throughout the night, so it really is going to

00:03:06.560 be amazing. So make sure to tune in tonight. But for now, let us talk about one of my favorite

00:03:13.780 countries. Canada is my most favorite. But in recent years, I've really learned a deep

00:03:20.140 appreciation of our mother country, namely the United Kingdom. Not only do I love it because of

00:03:26.060 its history, its architecture, its language, its poetry. I'll skip cuisine, although it's not that

00:03:31.540 bad. But because I sometimes call it a dystopian time machine. If we want to see how things will be

00:03:39.080 in Canada in five years, if we keep on current trends, whether it's censorship, the Islamification 1.00

00:03:45.360 of the public square, mass immigration, street crime, well, look to the UK today. That's Canada 0.99

00:03:51.940 in five years. We've also gotten involved a little bit over there. As you know, our former journalist,

00:03:58.160 Tommy Robinson, who has gone on to his own journalism and activism, from time to time,

00:04:03.280 wangs up in prison, never for a violent crime. In fact, this last imprisonment isn't for a crime at

00:04:09.500 all. It's for civil contempt. And we find ourselves reporting on it, and in some cases,

00:04:14.460 even crowdfunding his legal fees. So there's a lot to talk about. And a man who follows things

00:04:19.440 closer than most is a journalist and broadcaster from the UK, our friend David Atherton, who's agreed

00:04:25.100 to spend a little bit of time with us today. David, welcome back to the program. It's great to see

00:04:28.760 you again. And you. It's always a pleasure to go on the show. It really is. I've certainly carved

00:04:35.820 out a niche amongst the Commonwealth these days. I do quite a bit of work for Australia as well.

00:04:40.980 Well, that's excellent. I mean, I think Australia and Canada are very similar in terms of our size

00:04:45.500 and some of the same issues that I just talked about, freedom of speech, immigration, etc. Now,

00:04:51.580 there was some news in the past couple of days from the UK that normally, I think, would be huge

00:04:57.480 headlines in Canada. The Conservative Party of the UK, which got crushed in the last election under

00:05:05.040 their sort of robotic leader, Rishi Sunak, had a leadership race. And there were two finalists. One

00:05:12.360 was named Mr. Jenrick, who was actually very hardline on a number of issues. He talked about

00:05:17.120 mass deportation of foreign migrants. And the other contender was Kenny Badenoch, a Nigerian Brit,

00:05:24.700 who is really tough on those issues, too. And Kemi won. She's a she's more hardline than Rishi Sunak

00:05:34.980 was. Give me a word on Kemi Badenoch. And I say that it would be bigger news if she were a woman of 1.00

00:05:40.100 the left, because a black woman leading the Conservative Party, the party of Margaret Thatcher,

00:05:45.260 would be huge news. But because she's a conservative, no one over here in the in the media and the regime 0.99

00:05:51.220 media want to give it any airtime. Give me your thoughts on Kemi. Well, it's very, very interesting.

00:05:57.860 You know, sort of the small C conservatives and the conservatives, you know, said, you know,

00:06:01.820 Kemi Badenoch, prime minister, you know, moderate policies. And all the left of the liberals are going,

00:06:08.140 oh, she's black. It's so it's ironic that the Conservative Party in Britain, the first Jewish 1.00

00:06:13.660 prime minister, 1865 Benjamin Disraeli, as the first leader, I should say, in 1975, they had the

00:06:20.560 first woman leader, which was obviously Baroness Thatcher. And 2022 was Rishi Sunak, the first Asian 0.95

00:06:27.880 prime minister. And now it's obviously the first African, black African leader of the Conservative

00:06:32.620 Party's got. And it's a lot more what the socialists have done. You know, they've been, you know,

00:06:39.740 they just do not seem to appear to be able to attract the talent, you know, from from the BAME community 1.00

00:06:46.220 to worthy of getting to the top. And the thing is, you know, there's always a suspicion, you know,

00:06:52.620 with the socialists and the Labour Party, everybody else, that if somebody from a minority or sex or whatever

00:06:57.960 did become leader, is it a DEI hire, you know, diversity, equity, inclusion hire, rather than

00:07:05.080 with the Conservative Party, you know, for sure, she's there on merit, and not because they're sort

00:07:09.840 of, you know, you know, you know, what's the word being patronising towards people of, you know,

00:07:15.320 whether that's bisexuality or, or colour. Yeah, you know, Keir Starmer, the Labour Party

00:07:23.720 Prime Minister, put out a tweet congratulating her, and didn't refer to any of her ideas or

00:07:29.200 accomplishments other than her blackness. And, you know, it, on the one hand, it is a powerful 0.82

00:07:36.100 antidote to the accusations that Conservatives are racist. On another, on the other hand, it sort of

00:07:42.020 reduces her to nothing more than her immutable characteristics that she really has nothing to

00:07:47.460 do with. Let me play a little clip for you, David. This is a montage put together by Turning Point UK

00:07:52.840 some of Kemi's stances on different issues. Let's just show our viewers that and then let's come 0.86

00:07:58.500 back and you and I can talk a little bit about what she stands for. Here's Kemi Badenoch in her 0.65

00:08:04.060 own words. Take a look. I don't think that a culture that thinks gay people should be stoned

00:08:08.080 is as valid as ours. We do not want to see teachers teaching their white peoples about white privilege 0.95

00:08:13.380 and inherited racial guilt. People should not be made to feel guilty for questioning levels of

00:08:19.080 immigration, legal or illegal, if it is changing the place they know and love. If people don't want 0.97

00:08:24.840 their taxes to pay for foreign criminals to be in our jails or on our streets, those criminals should 1.00

00:08:29.680 be removed. Our country is not a dormitory for people just here to make money or a hotel for those 0.97

00:08:35.920 passing through. It is our home and no one else will look after it. The things she said there are not

00:08:42.280 particularly controversial if you ask a severely normal Brit. But, you know, if you are a indigenous 0.74

00:08:49.900 white Brit and you say those things, you will absolutely be called a racist for it. So maybe

00:08:56.980 Kemi Badenoch is the only person who can say those things without being tarred as a white supremacist. 0.58

00:09:02.880 Although, as soon as I say this, a very senior labor MP, a black woman herself, said that Kemi Badenoch 0.81

00:09:10.780 is the black face of white supremacy. So even though she's black, she's called a white supremacist. 1.00

00:09:18.380 And I don't know. You can't win, can you? You know, somebody recently was let off in court 0.75

00:09:28.300 for describing Richie Sunak as well as Braverman as coconuts, you know. And I've got the Oriole jokes 0.96

00:09:34.780 of the house N-word jokes and things like that, or insults, I should say. They get it all the time,

00:09:43.260 you know. And, you know, it really is, you know, the left are the real racists in the world. The liberal 0.66

00:09:48.460 left and the regressives are the most disgusting people, you know, when it comes to outright in-your-face 1.00

00:09:54.380 racism. So if Nigel Farage has said something similar about black people, he'd be crucified. He will be, 1.00

00:10:02.380 he will be, you know, thrown out of parliament, that he'd be deplatformed, he'd be cancelled,

00:10:07.180 and he'd be shunned from all polite society, never to be seen again. No, the barefaced hypocrisy

00:10:13.660 of the left is just butter-clenching. You know, the two finalists in the UK race, Mr. Jenrick,

00:10:21.020 who I think was even harder lying than Kemi, both of them really seemed to me to be a response

00:10:29.580 to Nigel Farage's Reform UK. Although Reform UK only got, I don't know, five or six seats in the

00:10:36.620 parliament, they got millions of votes. And it was primarily for talking about mass immigration

00:10:42.540 and the problems that flow therefrom. It seems to me that the Conservative Party's leadership

00:10:47.820 was an attempt to deal with that. Would you agree with my assessment? And would you say that Kemi

00:10:53.580 will be able to win any of those Nigel Farage Reform UK voters back, or are they with Nigel for good?

00:11:00.380 Right. Do you want the inside story on Kemi, which you won't necessarily hear this anywhere else?

00:11:05.420 Kemi Badenoch, I think, is the establishments, the elites, the World Economic Forum types,

00:11:13.580 the globalists is what I'm referring to. And she's, you know, she is the blobs, you know, 0.95

00:11:19.500 the swamp's choice. And so she said all the right things to get elected. Apparently, the person

00:11:25.900 behind her campaign is a guy called Michael Gove, who used to be the levelling up minister. 0.97

00:11:31.580 And, you know, he's a weasel, he's a snake. And there are two wings to the Conservative Party.

00:11:40.540 One is what's called the One Nation Tories, which is basically the left of the party.

00:11:46.700 They're kind of woke. In fact, they're very woke. And then you have sort of the right of the party,

00:11:51.180 which is the traditional side of Conservative, as it was under Margaret Thatcher.

00:11:58.060 But, you know, basically, Kemi Badenoch is not the real deal. I think she was totally insincere. 0.93

00:12:03.900 And her major, major fault, which will never be forgotten, is that she wants,

00:12:11.020 she will not be looking to get Britain to leave the European Court of Human Rights, the UCHR.

00:12:17.260 Now, what that does is, it goes beyond, it goes, if you're American or whatever,

00:12:23.500 there is one court beyond British courts you can appeal to in a case. And that's based,

00:12:28.620 based in, I think it's based in Brussels. It's certainly based in Europe. And these judges are

00:12:33.660 not British. They're foreign people. And they're creating British law, you know, when they don't 1.00

00:12:39.260 have any knowledge of British law. And, you know, there's a case recently of a Ugandan guy.

00:12:45.500 He was part of a gang that were involving a fracas with knives and baseball bats in Wood Green in North

00:12:52.300 London. And a guy was stabbed. And he was placed in an ambulance by the paramedics. And this Ugandan 0.99

00:13:02.060 born guy went in there and stabbed him to death. And because he was, at the end of his sentence,

00:13:10.620 which comes up in about three or four years' time, they wanted to deport him back to Uganda.

00:13:15.340 But the ECHR ruled that they couldn't because his mental health wasn't good enough.

00:13:20.060 And the mental health services in Uganda weren't good enough to treat him.

00:13:23.580 There are scores and scores. There was an Indian guy who, for example,

00:13:28.620 was producing and selling child paedophilia. Some of it was AR generated. Some was actually

00:13:36.220 real kids who were actually abused. And he produced them, he sold them, and he made money out of them.

00:13:42.460 Now, he won't be deported because of the decision from the ECHR. Because if we send him back to India, 0.99

00:13:47.980 his right to a family life, I think it's article 8 of the ECHR charter, he won't be able to see his

00:13:53.740 wife and children again or partner and children again. The ECHR gives outrage after outrage when

00:14:01.180 it comes to these judgments of people. We're not in charge of our borders. A foreign court is in

00:14:07.740 charge of our borders.

00:14:08.780 I don't understand that because I know that the Brexit vote called to leave the EU. So, you know,

00:14:16.700 letting a European court be the court of final appeal to the UK sure doesn't sound like Brexit was

00:14:24.060 followed through.

00:14:25.020 All right. Let me just let me just qualify that for you. The ECHR is not a part of the European Union.

00:14:32.060 Oh, it's not? Okay.

00:14:33.420 Yeah. Internally, it's the European Court of Justice, which is the European one that's run by

00:14:38.460 the European Union. But the ECHR is external to the EU. However, if you're a member of the EU,

00:14:45.340 you have to be a member of the ECHR. So there is some tie up there.

00:14:49.100 You know, it sounds very un-British. I mean, I should tell you that Canada, our final court of 0.99

00:14:55.420 appeal until the 1940s was called the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council in the UK.

00:15:02.380 So when we were still almost like a colony, you could appeal your final ruling to London.

00:15:10.860 But part of being a grown up country in Canada was getting our own Supreme Court. And it's not

00:15:16.460 a disrespect to the UK. It's okay. We're a real country now. It's time to grow up.

00:15:20.620 The fact that the UK would allow judges in a foreign court, foreign judges to have sovereignty

00:15:27.340 over basically a veto over the elected legislators of the UK, I find that astonishing. And it's not

00:15:33.820 like you're a newish country like Canada. You're centuries old. I don't get that.

00:15:37.820 Sure.

00:15:38.620 No, no, no. We have some of the oldest written in modern European times, you know, the oldest

00:15:44.780 written constitution, for example, Magna Carta for 1215. You know, we've had common

00:15:50.300 law since going back to Anglo-Saxon times, and we're more than capable of running our own country

00:15:56.380 as a legal basis. So there, you know, whether it's going to be in print, TV, mainstream media,

00:16:01.900 or social media, we, you know, we can externally look at, look into, you know, the, what a British

00:16:08.380 Supreme Court would do. No, that's fine. No, and you know, the ECHR is causing complete outrage.

00:16:14.620 And the thing is, getting to the point is Kemi Bainhock said she's not committed

00:16:18.860 to leaving it because she thinks there'll be too much of a civil war in the Conservative Party,

00:16:23.420 while Robert Jenrick was.

00:16:25.260 Yeah.

00:16:26.220 Um, isn't that interesting? Well, I have one more question for you about Kemi Bainhock, and it's

00:16:32.780 sort of the same question that Kamala Harris was asked on The View, which is sort of a women's TV

00:16:39.820 show during the day, which is, she was asked, is there anything you disagree with Joe Biden on over

00:16:45.420 the last four years? And she said no, which is an honest but astonishing thing to say when things

00:16:50.780 have not been going well. And, and I have sort of a variation on that question for Kemi, which is,

00:16:57.500 if she's talking tough about the things that we showed in that turning point montage there,

00:17:02.620 where was she for the past 14 years of Tory rule? Like it's, like you can be against the last three

00:17:11.580 months or however long it's been since the Labour's been in power, but all the things that are a problem

00:17:17.900 today have been a problem for years and they, and she was on the inside. What, why should, and I think

00:17:24.300 this is Nigel Farage's argument, which is why should she be trusted when suddenly she discovers she's a 1.00

00:17:29.820 tough conservative today? Yeah, as I mentioned, she, she's a conservative party continuity candidate. 1.00

00:17:35.660 No, she, she, she reflects the last 14 years of conservative rule. And, you know, if she ever does

00:17:42.780 become prime minister or near prime minister or whatever, that she's got, she's going to be in

00:17:47.820 very, we will just get more of the same old, same old that we've had the last 14 years. You know, whether

00:17:54.460 Robert Jenrick was sincere, I think he was actually, I think he was. I think his time as an immigration 1.00

00:17:59.900 minister saw the full horrors of what, what immigrate, how much it costs, what actually goes on,

00:18:08.860 what level of crime they're committing. I really think it was a wake up call. That's one of the

00:18:12.540 reasons he turned, he turned to the right and out reformed reform. But no, no, I, I think, you know,

00:18:19.740 Kevin Bain will prove to be a complete disaster for conservative party. It's obviously particularly

00:18:24.220 early days. But I just get my, my, my water tells me, my gut instinct tells me that this is going

00:18:31.260 to be the same old, same old Tory party. You know, the king is dead, long live the king,

00:18:35.580 meet the new boss, same as the old boss sort of thing. And it probably will be a terrific

00:18:41.260 opportunity for the reform party. You know, Nigel Farage must have, must have, must have been

00:18:45.740 rubbing his hands in glee at her election rather than Robert Jenrick. Time will tell,

00:18:51.420 but I hope I'm wrong. But I just don't think Kemi Bain is the ticket we're looking for.

00:18:57.020 You know, I want to play just one more Kemi video before we move on. As I mentioned at the top of the

00:19:02.300 show, we have a personal relationship with Tommy Robinson. He's a former employee of ours. And from

00:19:07.820 time to time, I help with crowdfunding his legal fees. I mean, he is his own independent shop. He has not

00:19:13.660 been a member of our company in half a dozen years, but we have an affection for him. And I know he's

00:19:19.180 prickly and I know he's a rambunctious fella, but I see within him, someone fighting for certain

00:19:26.060 British values. And as Majid Nawaz says, he's filled the void left by others. Here's Kemi Bainok when she

00:19:34.220 was asked about Tommy Robinson's recent sentence. I was there in the court in Woolwich when he was

00:19:41.100 sentenced. Here's Kemi giving her views on that. Take a look. Well, he pleaded guilty. So that means

00:19:47.900 that he felt that he had done something wrong. And once you plead guilty, then the court process

00:19:53.820 takes over. I don't think that many young people support Tommy Robinson. I'm sure that there are

00:19:58.620 some who do. But I think it's very important that young people understand that the justice system

00:20:04.060 in this country is fair. And where people believe that it isn't, they should contact their local

00:20:10.220 representatives, their members of parliament, so that we can do what we can to make it better.

00:20:15.500 Lots of people do support Tommy Robinson. Do you think his activism is good for the UK?

00:20:21.740 I'm sure lots of people support all sorts of people. We should look at what it is we're trying

00:20:26.940 to achieve in society. And I believe that we want a society where there is a lot of social cohesion.

00:20:33.420 It doesn't mean that there's perfection or that we are living in a utopia. But all that I try and do

00:20:42.780 as a politician is bring people together. You look at some of the work I did as a minister on inclusive

00:20:48.300 Britain, making sure that people, whatever their ancestry and heritage, believe that they have a 0.97

00:20:52.940 place in this country and love it rather than feel embarrassed about their history or don't have

00:20:58.940 pride in their country. We want people to be patriotic and have pride. You know, I was there

00:21:03.500 in court and I understand why he pled guilty, because the facts are he was in contempt of the injunction.

00:21:10.940 I think it's almost a word trick to say he felt he admitted he had done something wrong. I think,

00:21:16.620 sure, I don't think he feels he did something wrong. That's why he refused to take down the video.

00:21:22.460 And is going to serve a sentence of 18 months. He'll only serve nine. But when she says that we

00:21:28.540 have a fair justice system, I think a lot of people on the right look at what there's a phrase,

00:21:35.020 two-tier Keir, as in Keir Starmer, that he's two tiers of justice. And I think you see that every day.

00:21:41.660 There were people who were thrown in prison for two plus years because they tweeted something

00:21:47.420 considered Islamophobic, like a word crime, two years in prison. And yet actual street crimes are

00:21:54.460 not given that same sentence. And I just feel like I was listening to a defender of the status quo,

00:22:01.660 not the leader of his majesty's loyal opposition there. She was defend, and I'm not asking her to

00:22:06.940 be friends with Tommy Robinson. That's an acquired taste. But for her to say, no, no, everything's

00:22:13.180 fair. Everything's fine. If you don't like it, fill out this form and talk to this, you know,

00:22:17.740 local committee and blah, blah, blah. And it's all about cohesion and smoothing over any disagreements.

00:22:24.700 There is an essential disagreement in the UK, and I don't know if it can be smoothed over. It has to be

00:22:29.660 dealt with head on. What do you think? Absolutely. Funny to say that. When you were playing the clip,

00:22:34.540 you probably saw me furiously flicking through my phone, because I actually replied to that clip

00:22:41.420 this morning from Kenny Blaine. So far, it's got 40,000 views at the moment. I thought that was

00:22:49.820 absolutely appalling what she said there. It's tough to work out whether these people know what the real

00:22:58.460 scorer is with Tommy. I've always said Tommy's a flawed character. He's sometimes the architect of

00:23:03.660 his own downfall. I've said it to his face as well. But on the other side, on balance,

00:23:09.980 I think he's a great force for good in this country. He's been right on most issues,

00:23:20.060 whether it's the grooming gangs, after his interview in 2011 with Jeremy Batson on the BBC,

00:23:24.860 whether it's Muslim gangs running prisons in this country, or whether the Digby mosque seven years

00:23:32.140 ago was a den of extremism. It's only been recently revealed again by the establishment that it is

00:23:39.740 actually a den of Islam extremism. So he's right on everything. And Kenny Badenhold, dismissing him 0.99

00:23:49.100 in like he is. They either know he's right, and they want to suppress what he's saying,

00:23:56.380 or they bought into the media narrative towards him. Both are equally as bad. I think Kenny Badenhold

00:24:04.700 probably knows what the score is, but it's forced to parrot these misses of attacking Tommy Robinson.

00:24:12.300 By the way, in a reply, because I actually replied to that actual clip, I estimate that probably 20%

00:24:19.420 of the population genuinely agree and completely stand behind Tommy Robinson on that. I would guess

00:24:25.340 another 10 or 20% are reasonably mildly sympathetic to what you say. It may be more. I just deliberately

00:24:32.060 went for modest figures. But you know, when you're sort of speaking for 40% of the electorate,

00:24:36.700 that's a lot of the people he's speaking for. And also, the other thing I've noticed as well,

00:24:41.980 um, I wrote an article, um, for the Conservative woman actually, and, um, I'm teardering at the

00:24:47.100 weekends. And, um, and, uh, where I thought, I looked at sort of, you know, the conundrum that

00:24:53.820 the reform party had when it comes to Tommy Robinson, because, you know, whilst not all reform voters are

00:24:58.540 off Tommy Robinson fans, you know, um, most, most Tommy Robinson fans will lean towards the reform

00:25:04.060 party. That's the word. Look at things. And, uh, you know, it seems to have moved the dial a bit.

00:25:10.300 And also as well, there's, there's two, two, um, presenters on talk TV, which is sort of, um,

00:25:16.380 you know, it's straight down the line. The presenters are sort of, you know, center-rightish,

00:25:20.540 classical liberal, you know, tell-it-how-it-is free speech absolutists. And they've also done

00:25:25.980 that on the private, uh, uh, YouTube and podcast channels. Um, they've, uh, they've done some

00:25:35.100 sympathetic stuff on Tommy Robinson. And also, also Rupert Lowe, the, um, the reform MP for, uh,

00:25:42.460 Great Yarmouth, Great Yarmouth, I think it is, or certainly encompasses, uh, lower stuff. Uh,

00:25:47.340 uh, but Rupert Lowe has written to the, uh, the Ministry of Justice, uh, because his

00:25:52.380 constituents have written to him, wanting to make sure that Tommy Robinson's welfare is looked after

00:25:57.180 in prison. And, um, also as well, one thing I noticed as well, Richard Tice, who was very,

00:26:01.980 very rude about Robinson. Um, you know, I think he referred to his supporters as, we don't want that lot.

00:26:08.540 Um, maybe, maybe the tide is slightly turning in Tommy's favour. Maybe, you know, maybe them,

00:26:14.380 maybe sometime in the future, whereby the substance will have to have to deal with him.

00:26:18.860 Rather than dismiss him, they will have to speak to him and maybe, maybe meet us, meet, meet, meet

00:26:24.380 him and his supporters and the rest of the public halfway on, on, on immigration and, uh, the way,

00:26:30.780 way we deal with Islam in this country. You know, things could be reasonably encouraging. 1.00

00:26:35.340 I don't know. If only had bloody broadcast that flame in video, though, he could have been well on

00:26:40.860 the way to, um, you know, redemption. The example I always give is, what would you think of somebody

00:26:47.020 who was part of a prescribed terrorist group, uh, who, uh, whose members planted bombs in department

00:26:52.300 stores? What would you think of somebody like that, Ezra? Well, I would be against that.

00:26:59.020 Okay. Yeah. That's, uh, Nelson Mandela. One of the, one of the great people of the 20th century.

00:27:06.460 You know, that's, that's how he started off. You know, he, he, he was, you know, you look at the way,

00:27:11.180 you know, the Sinn Féin IRA was included into the, uh, into the processes, uh, in the Northern

00:27:17.740 Ireland, Northern Ireland-Windsor agreement, in my opinion. Um, you know, I only got to show you that,

00:27:23.100 you know, everyone is beyond, you know, everyone can, can have redemption. Yeah. Um, so, um, yeah,

00:27:28.300 you know, Nelson Mandela was, um, his members planted bombs in the department stores to kill civilians,

00:27:33.900 you know, and they were prescribed, uh, international prescribed, uh, terrorist organization,

00:27:39.820 the ANC. So, no, I, I think things are looking slightly better. I think one of the other reasons,

00:27:45.020 well, if I, if I just explain, I think like, because the Labour Party is so far to the left,

00:27:51.180 so far to the left, they've left a massive gap for the, for the open window to expand. And,

00:27:57.820 you know, what was, you know, one time calling all the people coming out of the channel and invasion

00:28:02.860 was thought to be highly racist and New York cancelled, that's acceptable now. And also, 0.97

00:28:07.420 as well, the other thing that's sort of slowly coming into the fore is the talk of re-immigration.

00:28:11.260 Um, you know, Robert, Robert Jenrick was talking about re-immigration and both other,

00:28:16.860 it's a, it's a very much a talking point point for people in this country at the moment.

00:28:21.980 Well, we'll know later tonight, or perhaps it won't, we won't know tonight, uh, if the U.S. votes

00:28:28.220 for Donald Trump, who has talked about mass deportations. And it's certainly something 1.00

00:28:33.500 that is pregnant in Canada too. Justin Trudeau is letting in 2 million people a year in a country

00:28:40.140 of 40 million. It's an astonishing number. Sure. Um, although Nigel Farage has gone on record

00:28:46.700 saying he will not, uh, support mass deportations. Let me close on Tommy Robinson. I would not compare

00:28:54.460 him to Nelson Mandela, although I, I see your point, which is, uh, Nelson Mandela was part of

00:28:59.420 a prescribed group, but I understand your point. Um, I see Tommy Robinson as someone who is keeping

00:29:05.100 millions of indigenous, white British people, working class people, poor people, keeping them 1.00

00:29:10.380 hopeful and engaged in the system. And without, cause Tommy's trying his best. He's trying to be

00:29:16.460 a journalist. He's trying to, you know, he didn't run away from the law. He came back to the UK to face

00:29:22.380 his fate. He didn't run away. He's a civil prisoner, not a criminal prisoner. So he's trying to play by the

00:29:28.540 rules. And if he's being unpersoned, he is the link that keep like, if he's gone, God forbid, if he's

00:29:35.580 killed in prison and they're putting him in the worst prisons, these people will say, oh,

00:29:40.700 if, if you have no room for Tommy, if you'll denounce him, marginalize him, and perhaps even

00:29:45.500 kill him, then there's no chance for anyone like me. And they'll drop out of the system. And perhaps

00:29:51.340 there will be more riots. You talked about support for him. There was a major British poll in the wake

00:29:56.540 of the race riots earlier this year that showed what you said. A lot of people, while they didn't

00:30:01.500 support the riots, they at least understood them. And I fear for the path of the UK.

00:30:09.660 If Trump is elected, what does it mean for the Labour Party? Because they rhetorically despise

00:30:16.700 and disparage Trump at every turn. And, and there was a recent hullabaloo of a bunch of Labour Party

00:30:23.500 volunteers talking about going to America to door knock and campaign against Trump on the ground.

00:30:29.100 What, now, who knows, maybe Kamala Harris will pull it out of the, out of the rabbit out of her hat. 1.00

00:30:36.060 If Trump is elected, just in that hypothetical, what will the relationship be between those two

00:30:41.900 countries? It was, you know, it's the special relationship, US and UK are best friends.

00:30:47.260 What happens when you've got a woke bully like Keir Starmer versus a stubborn man like Trump? 0.81

00:30:54.380 I think we're heading for a disaster here, aren't we? Just very briefly, I've always thought that the 0.80

00:31:01.980 special relationship is a vanity of the British. You know, we only have a special relationship 1.00

00:31:09.420 with America because it suits America, rather than the other way round. I think the bad relations with,

00:31:17.740 between Trump and the Labour Party started off with David Lammy, who's currently the now

00:31:26.940 Foreign Secretary, where about five years ago, he called it racist, he called it a big, you know,

00:31:33.100 he tried out the same old, boring old cliches that took the CNN talking points. Then we then, then that

00:31:41.900 Labour Party employee. She wasn't an activist. She was an employee of the Labour Party, was arranged

00:31:49.100 for 100, 100 Labour supporters to go, to go over to America and, and help with, with the canvassing

00:31:55.660 and what have you. I think that made backfire. I think that made backfire. You know, if an American

00:32:02.220 knocked on my door and said, Oh, are you voting for the Labour Party? I probably think the future

00:32:07.020 choice was to say to him. And no, I really, it really is completely bad manners, where, you know,

00:32:14.780 to interfere in somebody else's election. That's because you don't have to like the candidate.

00:32:19.340 I'm sorry, it's not your business, you just stay out of it. No, you know, you tweet your support,

00:32:23.740 you can say, Oh, you know, hurrah Kamala or whatever her name is. But you know, you should not

00:32:28.940 be out there. And also, just to rub everyone's nose in it. What's his name? Robert Buckland,

00:32:35.020 used to be the Attorney General of Britain and the Conservative administration. He's gone to

00:32:41.660 America to canvass for the Democrats as well. There's not only the Labour Party, there is a

00:32:45.420 Conservative member party as well. But this put it, I think Trump is, is a vow to go after the Labour Party.

00:32:55.020 If he does get into power, I wish Donald Trump well. And so I think I think the person who will be in

00:33:01.340 charge of, of Anglo American relations, should Trump get in, will be Nigel Farage.

00:33:08.620 Wow. Yeah. Well, I mean, I don't know if the Labour Party would like that.

00:33:13.580 I mean, I think that, yeah, you know, you'll have a chat, mate, you know, I've got his number.

00:33:17.900 Yeah. I mean, there's a couple of Brits that Donald Trump gets along with Nigel Farage,

00:33:21.980 and I think Piers Morgan is another they were buddies on his show The Apprentice.

00:33:26.060 Let me show you a clip. It's not just that. I mean, I think perhaps the second most famous

00:33:31.100 person in the world, I think the most famous person in the world is probably Donald Trump.

00:33:34.380 And I think one, perhaps the second most famous would be Elon Musk, who has gone in full

00:33:41.980 tilt with the Republicans. He's campaigning every day. He's giving away a million dollars a day to

00:33:47.980 people who sign his petition. Like, it's extraordinary. But he recently said he was afraid

00:33:55.100 to travel to the United Kingdom because everyone from Keir Starmer on down has been talking about

00:34:01.980 criminalizing mean tweets. And, you know, the creator, the CEO of the social media app Telegram,

00:34:10.780 Pavel Durov was arrested in Paris. Here's Elon Musk saying he's literally afraid

00:34:18.140 of visiting the UK for fear of being arrested. Although, you know, we've got quite a lot of

00:34:21.980 bureaucracy here. But in Europe, they've got country level bureaucracy, and then they've got EU

00:34:26.620 bureaucracy on top of that. You know, I mean, the EU headquarters in Brussels is a monument to

00:34:32.620 bureaucracy. It's really next level. You know, and they don't, unlike America, they don't have a

00:34:41.820 First Amendment. You don't actually have freedom of speech in Europe. So, you know, but we're kind of

00:34:51.820 like a pretty rare situation having freedom of speech. So, you know, like there's crazy stuff

00:34:58.620 happening in the UK where, you know, people are getting, like, two, three-year prison sentences

00:35:04.860 for Facebook posts.

00:35:09.580 Yeah. Like, I'm like, I don't think I should go to, you know, visit Britain, because I'm like,

00:35:16.780 they're going to, like, drag out some, you know, tweet and say two years in prison for this tweet 0.96

00:35:22.300 or something bullshit like that, you know. So, anyway, I think that's, you know, it's Trump elected, 0.97

00:35:27.820 we can put a stop to that stuff and say, like, ah, no way. No, no. Nope.

00:35:37.500 No throwing people in prison for random social media posts. That's crazy.

00:35:43.420 Yeah, it's happened a lot. No, I mean, it's so crazy in Britain that they actually have released

00:35:50.540 convicted pedophiles in order to imprison people for making social media posts. That is a real thing

00:35:55.740 that happened. Insane. Now, he may be overstating things a little bit, but let me show you this

00:36:01.260 exchange between one of my favorite British broadcasters, Trevor Phillips, and a Labour

00:36:08.060 cabinet minister who was putting together an investment symposium of foreign billionaires

00:36:12.940 trying to gin up investment in the UK. Well, who's got more money than Elon Musk? Musk has expressed

00:36:19.020 interest in the UK for a number of his projects. And look at Trevor Phillips ask, I think three times,

00:36:25.900 why the Labour government will not invite Elon Musk. This, I mean, I love Trevor Phillips more every day.

00:36:33.020 And by the way, I bumped into him at the Tommy Robinson rally at Westminster on last weekend. Now,

00:36:40.860 I don't know if he was just passing through, but I saw Trevor Phillips and I chatted with him for about

00:36:45.500 10 seconds. So maybe he was there to get the facts on his own, or maybe he was passing by.

00:36:50.620 Trevor Phillips versus the Labour Party on Elon Musk. Take a look. Why didn't you invite Elon Musk?

00:36:56.460 You're desperate to get a company which sacks its employees by Zoom, but you're stiffy about the

00:37:04.220 biggest car maker in the world because he put something on social media he didn't like.

00:37:08.460 Look, I'm not going to comment on particular invitations for particular personnel.

00:37:12.700 Come on. Elon Musk is not some odd invitation. It is Elon Musk, biggest car maker in the world,

00:37:18.300 richest man in the world. Why didn't you invite him? Look, I'm not going to comment on the reasons

00:37:22.540 for any specific person, but I can tell you we have 300 of the most significant investors,

00:37:28.380 business figures, people who can bring significant amounts of capital to the UK. Big names,

00:37:34.220 things that will make a big difference to working people's lives, and that's the criteria. You're

00:37:37.820 happy to talk to me about DP World, who sacks their workers. You're happy to invite the Saudis, 1.00

00:37:43.420 who authorise the murder of Jamal Khashoggi, and they get the red carpet. Why isn't Musk being

00:37:50.460 invited? This is you in opposition, isn't it, again? No, not at all. This is about who can bring the

00:37:56.940 kind of investments that will make the biggest difference to the UK, to working people's lives,

00:38:01.260 the fact that we have, I think, in 100 days... Oh, Musk hasn't got a bob or two that he could

00:38:05.020 put into Britain. Well, look, the criteria and the selection. This is a summit. I know that

00:38:10.780 everyone wants to come. I do understand that. Not everyone can come, and I'm not going to be right

00:38:15.340 to go through the individual decisions for individual people, but this is about what will

00:38:19.740 make the biggest difference. Look, you understand how weird this sounds. You want people to come and

00:38:26.700 invest in Britain. You want people to bring their money, yet the one person who probably has got

00:38:34.060 more money to burn and would probably like to invest in Britain... In fact, he says so publicly

00:38:39.500 when he didn't get the invitation. You're deciding he's not good enough for what reason?

00:38:45.340 No, look, if people have an investment proposition for the UK, of course, I will talk to them

00:38:51.020 about it. I'm not going to go through... Look, thousands of people, Trevor, wanted to come

00:38:54.780 to this summit. Oh, come on. Of course they did. Elon Musk is not thousands of people. Well, look,

00:38:59.420 I'll simply say that the people coming, you'll see the scale of the investments, you'll see

00:39:03.100 the opportunities for the UK, you'll see the kind of quality and depth of the engagement this new

00:39:08.460 government has, and I think to individually talk about a certain person here or there, look,

00:39:12.620 that's not right on them or on the government. So the Labour government hates him,

00:39:17.020 not because they hate billionaires. They love billionaires on the left. They hate this guy

00:39:22.220 because he's for free speech, he's anti-woke, and he's not your typical CEO who's afraid of

00:39:32.060 governments. What do you make of this? Would they actually arrest Elon Musk? Are they going to try and

00:39:39.180 attack his company legally, like give it a huge fine? What do you think the Labour Party in the UK

00:39:44.460 wants to do to Elon Musk on Twitter? I don't think he would be, because the publicity that

00:39:50.620 the Labour Party, negative publicity, would just be even worse. As far as I'm concerned, democracy

00:39:59.260 is over in this country. Until we have a change of government or a change of leader, I do not see

00:40:04.700 Britain that we live in a democratic country anymore. Free speech is under threat. We now have

00:40:11.740 political prisoners like Tommy Robinson. The most egregious example of a little prisoner is a guy 0.99

00:40:17.500 called Wado Rourke, who looked after his disabled partner. And he was given three years for saying

00:40:26.140 that the killer was a Muslim, when that might now hold water. Certainly, the person who was accused of

00:40:35.660 the murder of the three little girls in Southport has an Al-Qaeda manual. I also know some other

00:40:41.420 information, which I can't reveal, which confirms that Wayne O'Rourke was probably almost certainly

00:40:46.300 correct. So, yeah. So therefore, somebody went to jail for telling the truth. And that is an

00:40:54.700 absolute disgrace. And three years as well. You know, I can see a six-month suspended sentence

00:41:00.540 because the guy hadn't done anything wrong in the past. He had a clean record. I can see six months,

00:41:05.500 maybe a big fine, something like that. But, you know, the draconian, spiteful and nasty,

00:41:12.220 ghastly way that Stable went about stitching up all those people, railroaded them in the police

00:41:19.820 station. He set up 24-hour courts. You know, you know, you're sort of dragged in at two o'clock

00:41:25.740 in the morning, bleary-eyed to plead guilty to violent disorder. And also, yeah, probably the

00:41:33.660 one that really makes it the worst example is Peter Lynch, 61. He hung himself, apparently he

00:41:40.300 hung himself in prison because of depression. We don't know why, but he hung himself in prison.

00:41:47.420 You know, he did not throw a brick. He did not throw a bottle. He did not strike anybody.

00:41:52.620 You know, all he did was standing on the sidelines, you know, screaming scum at the police and 0.99

00:41:58.540 generally abusing them verbally. You know, he got two years, eight months for that. 0.98

00:42:03.820 Absolutely disgraceful. And, you know, and the other thing is, you know, the other factor which

00:42:09.340 we don't know about Peter Lynch's death is whether he was bullied by other inmates, particularly Muslims.

00:42:15.740 We don't know that. We want to find out. Yeah. Well, you know, Tommy Robinson was moved from

00:42:21.340 Belmarsh to HMP Woodhill, which is 37 percent Muslim. And of course, the reason there's so many 1.00

00:42:30.060 conversions to Islam in prison is that's how you stay safe. You convert to Islam, join the Muslim 1.00

00:42:36.220 gang and you're protected. And if you're in prison, either because you're Tommy Robinson and you're 0.88

00:42:41.020 notoriously a skeptic of Islam, or you're someone like Peter Lynch or these other people,

00:42:45.740 you're going to be a target. You'll immediately become marked. And any member of the Muslim gang 1.00

00:42:51.180 that kills you or harms you is going to be a hero. And it's so obvious that the prison governors do not 0.99

00:42:57.340 run the prisons. UK prisons are completely out of control. That's why they have to put Tommy Robinson

00:43:02.300 in solitary confinement. So he's not killed. I'm very worried about the UK. Tell me, let's,

00:43:09.020 can you leave me on a hopeful note? Is there any reason to be hopeful? Because we don't want to,

00:43:14.300 there are some great things going on in the UK in the name of freedom. There are some,

00:43:18.700 I can think of some, but I'd like to ask you if there's, what are you hanging on to? What observation,

00:43:24.300 anecdote, factoid, trend, or person even is reason to be optimistic? Sure. Um, I, I think the Labour

00:43:33.100 Party is, will, um, will, uh, take tears. Let me start again. The Labour Party, I think, will completely

00:43:40.300 combust. There will not be a Labour Party in five years' time. You know, there'll be, there'll be ashes

00:43:45.980 of the Labour Party. There may be a new social democratic party. Maybe the Liberal Democrats, uh, will,

00:43:51.660 will take their place as, uh, Britain's second party. Um, but, you know, the Labour Party will

00:43:57.180 have done everything wrong, um, where, where it's sort of civil rights, the economy, uh, you know,

00:44:03.500 the way, where they deal with immigration, they're going to be absolutely hopeless. And, you know, 1.00

00:44:06.940 people are going to really loathe him or even hate him by the end of it. I think they're going to see

00:44:11.580 their destruction. A little Democrats, as I say, might take over. Um, what I, what I, what I,

00:44:18.220 what I hope for is, is a, uh, renaissance of the Reform Party. Um, I just speak to one of

00:44:23.740 other insiders, uh, a couple of months back, and they said, if this Russian rubbish hadn't, 0.99

00:44:28.380 uh, turned up, they probably would have won another, another 20 seats. They lost three percent, 0.89

00:44:33.180 um, you know, in the last week, week of the, uh, last week of the campaign. And they lost,

00:44:38.700 lost, lost, let's say, possibly up to as much as 20 seats. So I, I should imagine at the next

00:44:44.380 general election, um, we will have a, uh, reform party, which may get maybe even a hundred seats,

00:44:52.220 and that will give them substantial influence, substantial power in parliament. And let's hope

00:44:57.820 that that will be, that will be a springboard for, uh, a far better Britain, because at the moment,

00:45:02.860 it's very grim, you know, whereas I think everyone's all kind of hanging on by, by, you know, by the skin

00:45:07.020 of their teeth and, you know, the skin of their, you know, their fingertips and fingernails,

00:45:11.740 that kind of thing. It's a really, Britain's a really quite depressing place at the, place at

00:45:15.340 the moment. And, you know, as you mentioned, you want to be slightly positive about things.

00:45:19.020 You know, the three Tommy Robinson rallies, everyone, you know, went away feeling positive.

00:45:25.420 Everyone went away feeling better about themselves. So, um, but, you know, tomorrow's another day,

00:45:30.860 you know, it's not as sure as they say in France. So, yeah. Um, so onwards and upwards, chin up,

00:45:36.540 we're British, stiff upper lip, carry on, you know, keep calm and carry on.

00:45:41.180 Well, thank you so much for spending the better than, uh, almost an hour with us. It's great to

00:45:47.740 see you again. I look forward to meeting you one day when I go to the UK for one of Tommy's

00:45:52.220 interminable court hearings. You have left me with, um, a bit of a sinking feeling that Kemi

00:45:57.420 Badenock, who I really am trying hard to admire. You scared me because I think she does, especially

00:46:03.820 her answer about, Oh, the justice is fair. Everything's fine. Social cohesion. That really did feel like a deep

00:46:10.140 state answer rather than the answer of a reformer. Um, and I, and I'm worried that there'll be a

00:46:15.900 split on the, on the right between Nigel Farage and Kemi Badenock, which might allow the, the rump

00:46:22.140 of a labor party to come up the middle, but we'll keep reporting on it. And hopefully that you and I

00:46:27.420 can keep in touch because I'd love from time to time to have you update our viewers.

00:46:30.460 Josh. Yeah. You know me, you know, I'm, uh, uh, I'm 24 seven available. So, uh, you know,

00:46:36.060 it's very civilized as well, you know, speaking, you know, four o'clock, five o'clock in the

00:46:41.340 afternoon. Good time for me. Uh, I can then open a bottle of wine. Well, that's great. Nice to see

00:46:47.180 you again, David Atherton, a British journalist and broadcaster. Good luck over there in the UK and,

00:46:52.620 and good luck to the whole world tonight. And bless Canada as well. Thank you. Thank you. Bye-bye.

00:46:57.340 Well, there you have it. That's our show for today. Make sure you tune in to our live election night

00:47:03.660 coverage. We'll have reporters in Washington, New York, and Mar-a-Lago, Florida, as well as 10

00:47:09.140 different guests joining us throughout the night. Until next time, on behalf of all of us here at

00:47:14.220 Rebel World Headquarters to you at home, good night and keep fighting for freedom.

Rebel News Podcast - November 05, 2024

EZRA LEVANT ｜ What will a second Trump presidency mean for the United Kingdom？

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