Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ What’s the difference between America First and MAGA？

00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. Today, I try and unpack phrases like, make America great again, America first,

00:00:06.360 America only, and Christ is King. These phrases are being used in a new online battle, especially

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00:00:57.700 Tonight, what's the difference between MAGA, make America great again, and America first?

00:01:05.640 And why has the phrase Christ is King become a political slogan? I'll give you my thoughts

00:01:10.580 as a Canadian watching America. It's November 17th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:15.240 He's ready for freedom. Shame on you, you censorious bug.

00:01:30.980 Donald Trump's central promise in both his first term and this term is to stop immigration,

00:01:36.980 including by building the wall. I think he was stymied in his first term for a number of reasons,

00:01:41.460 but the main one was that his team was not truly committed to his radical reforms on this or other

00:01:46.660 issues. I mean, really, he was a revolutionary. He hired people, though, whose primary loyalty

00:01:52.420 was to the Washington system, not to him or his agenda. And they would nod politely when he said

00:01:58.980 things like stop immigration, and then they would go about undermining him quietly. It was

00:02:03.660 the dictionary definition of the deep state. And I think Trump thought about that every single day

00:02:10.420 he was in political exile. You can see it in two obvious ways. First, the constant expressions of

00:02:16.880 loyalty by his new crop of appointees. The entire cabinet, many other senior appointees, whenever

00:02:23.240 they talk to the media, they always start by mentioning President Trump first, when asked about

00:02:29.100 their accomplishments or decisions. It might look over the top and obsequious, but after a term,

00:02:35.320 Trump's first term, when many of his appointees clearly despised the man and clearly were working

00:02:41.640 against him, it's sort of required, don't you think? I mean, sure, it's a loyalty test, but loyalty to the

00:02:47.620 project that Trump promised voters and that voters asked for. And second, look at the meticulously

00:02:53.700 detailed battle plan that was rolled out starting literally within minutes of Trump's inauguration.

00:02:58.840 Hundreds of bold executive orders, some of them very detailed, tackling everything from the border to

00:03:06.300 woke universities to drilling for oil again. Whatever you think of Trump, you must admit he is doing exactly

00:03:13.320 what he said he would do, including taking on the deep state in bold ways. I mean, the appointment of

00:03:19.020 Robert F. Kennedy Jr. alone is a momentous move, something that no COVID skeptic could ever have hoped for,

00:03:25.420 even in Trump's first term. And in terms of sheer impact with severely normal people,

00:03:32.180 Trump banned men from participating in women's and girls' sports and in women's and girls' bathrooms

00:03:37.880 and change rooms, just huge and real life and right out of the gates. It was a miracle in a way, but

00:03:44.060 not a miracle at all when you think about it, just a willingness to do what needs to be done and a lack of

00:03:49.500 fear and a lack of patience. He's been thinking about these things for a long time,

00:03:54.840 like when Napoleon was in exile. And look at what Trump's done in addition to his basic promises.

00:04:02.240 Did you even know that there were eight wars out there to resolve, which, if I'm not mistaken,

00:04:09.040 is the number that Trump has concluded, negotiated a peace deal? Some are still persisting, like the

00:04:14.300 huge war between Russia and Ukraine. But Trump has resolved many others, including some that have

00:04:19.580 trudged on for decades and have massive casualty counts.

00:04:22.900 Trump really is the president of peace, but as he always says, peace through strength. And you know that's why.

00:04:30.900 The world is safer now than when he took office, especially the Middle East. And all Trump had to do there

00:04:37.540 was to sell weapons to Israel so it could do the heavy lifting against Hezbollah in Lebanon, against Hamas in Gaza,

00:04:46.060 and against the Iranian conventional military, taking out their missile launchers and anti-aircraft systems.

00:04:53.420 It is true that Trump deployed seven B-2 bombers to surgically strike Iran's nuclear bases.

00:05:02.540 Only America could do that because only America has the B-2. 0.95

00:05:04.960 But he did that after the Israeli army had wiped out those anti-aircraft defenses in Iran.

00:05:12.400 It was an important role that Trump did, but you couldn't really say it rose to the level of a war.

00:05:19.520 And Trump is shooting drug smuggling boats coming up from the Caribbean and South America.

00:05:23.400 Again, I don't think you could say it's a war.

00:05:25.520 And my point that I'm trying to make here is that Trump has been very reserved in his use of military force.

00:05:32.320 He likes peace through strength.

00:05:35.760 And I promise I'm coming to my point here, and my point is this.

00:05:40.720 Trump has done exactly what he promised to do.

00:05:44.280 The biggest thing is to stop new immigration and engage in mass deportations. 0.60

00:05:48.060 I saw the other day that they crossed the two million mark of deportations.

00:05:52.820 He's also renegotiating trade deals around the world, including, for example, deals we talked about,

00:05:58.520 like the one the other day, guaranteeing America access to Malaysia's rare earth minerals,

00:06:04.000 something that China has been trying to get a monopoly on.

00:06:06.840 Those are important minerals for tech products.

00:06:11.180 Massive investments in America by countries trying to avoid tariffs.

00:06:14.200 And I'm sorry that has hurt Canada, or at least our auto sector.

00:06:18.240 But I'm making the point here that Americans must be pleased with Trump.

00:06:21.080 He's whipping through his checklist.

00:06:23.440 He's going full tilt.

00:06:24.520 He's living like he's counting the minutes left in his terms.

00:06:28.100 So imagine being someone like me in America.

00:06:31.380 Imagine being a firebrand conservative pundit.

00:06:34.580 What do you fight for?

00:06:35.860 Trump is doing all the things you could ever ask him to do, including a lot more you probably never think of.

00:06:40.860 I mean, just this week, he called on Congress to release all the Jeffrey Epstein files.

00:06:46.560 Here in Canada, conservatives, by contrast, have a lot to campaign on.

00:06:51.480 Same in the United Kingdom, same in Ireland, same in France, same in Netherlands and Brazil and all the places that are still laboring under the leftist globalist ideology.

00:06:59.880 But it's tougher to be a tough guy pundit in America when Donald Trump and the government that he runs, I mean, you love to critique the government.

00:07:10.840 It's actually bolder than any pundit.

00:07:14.080 I mean, what do you even talk about?

00:07:15.840 Well, anything, I suppose.

00:07:18.600 Conspiracy theories, I suppose.

00:07:20.560 What Candace Owens is focused on is Emmanuel Macron, the leader of France, is his wife actually a man?

00:07:27.680 That was what Candace Owens is focusing on because Trump is really just rocking his to-do list. 0.92

00:07:34.760 Mole hills are being made into mountains.

00:07:36.500 And so it is that a fraction of the online right say they're tired of Trump.

00:07:42.220 They're tired of winning.

00:07:43.740 They think he's not pure enough.

00:07:45.840 They think he's not right-wing enough or America first enough.

00:07:49.460 I have no idea who they think would be better.

00:07:52.720 I'm not sure how it could even be possible to be tougher than him.

00:07:55.740 And by the way, to still win elections, I suppose you could be the most pure conservative in the world and lose.

00:08:02.300 But what's the point of that?

00:08:04.160 Trump's point is that he's a winner.

00:08:06.980 But I see an online rebellion against Trump.

00:08:10.040 Now, a lot of it is by people who pretend to be conservative, but who never really were.

00:08:14.960 And never really supported Trump in the first place.

00:08:16.840 Here's Nick Fuentes, the head of the troll army, who voted against Trump last time.

00:08:24.800 In my opinion, if you're a Catholic, you can't vote for Trump.

00:08:29.420 You cannot vote for somebody who is now frequently supporting abortion rights.

00:08:35.660 Frequently.

00:08:36.660 It seems like every week he supports abortion.

00:08:39.240 Catholics should not support Trump.

00:08:41.140 If you are anti-war, you cannot support Trump.

00:08:45.020 Trump is the war, World War III candidate.

00:08:47.680 Trump is talking about wiping Iran off the map.

00:08:52.520 That's where the war is going to go. 0.77

00:08:53.980 Nuclear, not Ukraine. 0.91

00:08:55.680 You can't vote for Trump.

00:08:56.920 If you're an immigration restrictionist, you can't vote for Trump.

00:09:00.700 They're not deporting any illegals.

00:09:03.700 OK, that's not happening.

00:09:05.120 They admitted as much.

00:09:06.700 And they're going to bring in more legal immigrants than ever before.

00:09:10.720 And if you think there's some silver lining that we're going to get jobs in the Trump admin, maybe it's bad, but we're going to get in and fix it.

00:09:17.520 Think again.

00:09:19.200 Because the personnel are going to be controlled by Jared Kushner.

00:09:24.160 None of these people can vote for Trump.

00:09:26.160 I'm calling on Catholics, anti-war supporters, immigration restrictionists, and MAGA loyalists to stay home and not vote for Trump.

00:09:36.320 And if we go forward with any operations with Groyper War II, from now on, that is the goal. 1.00

00:09:44.760 At one point, it was to get Trump's attention.

00:09:47.680 Going forward, it's going to be to get people not to vote, period.

00:09:51.260 Fuentes said he actually organized against Trump.

00:09:54.600 He called on his followers to fight Trump.

00:09:57.000 He said he supported Kamala Harris.

00:09:59.100 And he said that Charlie Kirk of Turning Point USA was his enemy.

00:10:03.260 Whether he chooses to confront me or not, whether he has dignity and honor or not, it's just a matter of time.

00:10:10.580 My ideas are already there.

00:10:12.220 I've already impregnated your organization.

00:10:15.060 I took Turning Point USA and I fucked it.

00:10:19.560 I took your organization.

00:10:21.760 I took your baby, Turning Point USA, and I fucked it. 1.00

00:10:27.380 And I've been fucking it.

00:10:29.940 And that's why it's filled with Groypers. 1.00

00:10:31.920 That's why your whole crew, that's why the people around you, that's why your chapter presidents, that's why your attendees, they're all Groypers. 0.96

00:10:42.060 So whether you choose to confront me or not over the honor of your Turning Point USA, it's immaterial to me.

00:10:51.000 I'd like it.

00:10:51.980 I'd just get a sick satisfaction out of it.

00:10:54.760 Because I like to win.

00:10:58.440 Yeah, that's not really conservative.

00:10:59.740 I'm not sure how much conservatives or Republicans should listen to someone who has always hated Trump and Republicans and conservatives and Christians.

00:11:10.140 Oh, and then there's just his Hitler stuff. 0.91

00:11:13.100 Look, I'm not obsessed with Hitler.

00:11:15.260 I really don't even know that much about him.

00:11:17.100 Buddy, it's Führer Friday.

00:11:18.780 It is Hitler Friday. 0.92

00:11:20.860 Shut up. 0.95

00:11:22.660 It is Heil Hitler Friday, nigga. 1.00

00:11:25.900 Heil Hitler. 0.96

00:11:26.800 All my niggas Nazis, nigga. 1.00

00:11:28.620 Heil Hitler was a pedophile and kind of a pagan. 0.95

00:11:33.840 It's like, well, he was also really fucking cool.

00:11:37.400 So, you know, time to grow up.

00:11:40.560 We're not children anymore.

00:11:42.380 Am I right?

00:11:43.300 Am I right?

00:11:44.300 Am I right, boys?

00:11:45.900 Am I right?

00:11:46.780 Let's go.

00:11:48.200 He was also really fucking cool.

00:11:51.520 And any boy knows that.

00:11:53.200 Anybody who watches these videos where he's rolling down the street and stuff, it's like, this guy's awesome.

00:12:00.740 This guy's cool.

00:12:02.060 Just American General?

00:12:03.080 Hitler. 0.57

00:12:03.640 Oh, American.

00:12:04.720 A pointing finger.

00:12:06.720 If we're going to say Hitler bad, then I'm going to say Churchill bad, and I'm going to say Roosevelt bad, and I'm going to say they're all bad. 0.95

00:12:12.800 But if we look at him as a product of his time in that moment, you know, we have to judge him with those things in mind.

00:12:18.260 Candace Owens is the same way. 0.93

00:12:19.600 She thinks the allies were wrong in the Second World War.

00:12:22.940 Tucker Carlson has said as much.

00:12:25.120 And, of course, Candace Owens is against Trump, too.

00:12:28.300 Not surprising, since she was always a Democrat.

00:12:30.860 The worst thing is that Tucker Carlson, once the leading conservative commentator in America, he has totally flipped.

00:12:38.320 And he's a very good debater, and he has a strong list of contacts from 30 years in the business.

00:12:45.280 And he's got a 30-year history of being outstanding.

00:12:48.780 So his reputation, his goodwill, and his name have brung along millions of people who would normally turn off the TV when someone would praise Venezuela or praise Iran to them.

00:13:01.300 So the question is, why?

00:13:03.440 Why are we doing this?

00:13:05.720 Why are we so opposed to Nicolas Maduro?

00:13:08.360 So if you ask someone on the street, random person, why are we against Nicolas Maduro?

00:13:13.460 The answer you're going to get is, who's Nicolas Maduro?

00:13:15.560 But if you find someone in South Florida, for example, who knows who Nicolas Maduro is, who can identify where Venezuela is on a map,

00:13:21.920 that person will almost certainly say, well, because he's a communist or a socialist, he's exceedingly left-wing.

00:13:28.140 And that is true.

00:13:29.600 Nicolas Maduro and his government are very left-wing on economics.

00:13:33.880 Not on social policy, by the way, which is kind of interesting.

00:13:36.700 In Venezuela, gay marriage is banned.

00:13:39.960 Abortion is banned.

00:13:41.420 Sex changes for transgenderism are banned.

00:13:44.100 And it's one of the very few countries in the entire hemisphere with those policies.

00:13:48.880 It is on social policy, not defending the regime, just saying, one of the most conservative countries in North or South or Central America.

00:14:00.420 Only El Salvador really comes close, which is much smaller, of course.

00:14:03.980 And by the way, the U.S.-backed opposition leader, who would take Maduro's place if he were taken out, is, of course, pretty eager to get gay marriage in Venezuela.

00:14:15.420 So to those of you who thought this whole project was Globo Homo, not crazy, actually.

00:14:20.600 He is obsequious to foreign dictators and American enemies, but he's rough with American heroes like Ted Cruz.

00:14:28.040 Growing up in Sunday school, I was taught from the Bible, those who bless Israel will be blessed, and those who curse Israel will be cursed.

00:14:37.220 And from my perspective, I want to be on the blessing side of things.

00:14:40.060 Of those who bless the government of Israel?

00:14:42.600 Those who bless Israel is what it says.

00:14:44.120 It doesn't say the government of it, it says the nation of Israel.

00:14:46.720 So that's in the Bible.

00:14:48.300 As a Christian, I believe that.

00:14:49.860 Where is that?

00:14:50.840 I can find it to you.

00:14:51.900 I don't have the scripture off the tip of mine.

00:14:54.620 You pull out the phone and use the Bible.

00:14:56.380 It's in Genesis, but so you're quoting a Bible phrase.

00:15:00.680 You don't have context for it.

00:15:01.480 You don't know where in the Bible it is, but that's like your theology?

00:15:03.760 I'm confused.

00:15:05.080 What does that even mean?

00:15:06.660 Tucker.

00:15:07.800 I'm a Christian.

00:15:08.560 I want to know what you're talking about.

00:15:10.800 Where does my support for Israel come from?

00:15:13.680 Number one, because biblically we are commanded to support Israel.

00:15:17.640 But number two.

00:15:18.240 Hold on.

00:15:18.720 No, no, no.

00:15:19.540 Hold on.

00:15:20.440 You're a senator, and now you're throwing out theology, and I am a Christian, and I am allowed to weigh in on this.

00:15:24.160 We are commanded as Christians to support the government of Israel?

00:15:27.580 He uses kid gloves with Stalinists, literally someone who praises Stalin.

00:15:33.200 So it was like mid-December, mid-late December.

00:15:36.060 It's actually funny.

00:15:36.880 It was December 18th.

00:15:37.800 I remember it because that's an important date to me.

00:15:40.280 And it's Joseph Stalin's birthday.

00:15:42.880 Oh.

00:15:43.420 I'm a fan.

00:15:44.580 You're a fan of Stalin's?

00:15:45.440 Mm-hmm.

00:15:46.060 Oh, he's an admirer.

00:15:47.240 But we don't need to go into that, I guess.

00:15:50.440 Well, that's, okay, let's get back.

00:15:52.740 We'll circle back to that.

00:15:54.020 It was a...

00:15:54.160 Yeah, Tucker never actually did get back to Fuentes on that.

00:15:57.300 Can you imagine calling Fuentes a supporter of Hitler and Stalin?

00:16:01.280 Can you imagine calling him a conservative or a Christian?

00:16:03.800 My point is, it's demoralizing out there when some of the biggest microphones in the United States conservative side start aiming at Trump.

00:16:13.240 Like I say, many were never for Trump in the first place or never conservative to begin with.

00:16:17.480 I'm not quite sure how people call them right wing.

00:16:20.020 But now they're just going at Trump and, bizarrely, the Jews. 0.89

00:16:25.320 Mass immigration to the West has brought Islam to the West, including radical Islam, including acute terrorism attacks at worst and slow burn anti-Semitism and cultural changes like rape gangs. 0.99

00:16:38.660 Because I'm pretty sure the Jews, a small population that's well assimilated and peaceful isn't the civilizational problem that we have to face now.

00:16:46.780 There's no doubt that some of this is real sentiment, but there's also no doubt that much of this is bought and paid for.

00:16:55.440 I mean, the dictator of Qatar paid $200,000 to get on Tucker's show.

00:17:00.740 We know that because he actually registered that payment with the U.S. government, as he was legally required to do.

00:17:07.180 But many other forms of payments are not disclosable.

00:17:10.640 More and more, I see pundits showing photos of them being wined and dined in Qatar for a meet and greet, where some payment is surely discussed.

00:17:21.300 And then they completely flip.

00:17:23.020 I mean, like Tucker himself did.

00:17:24.680 Tucker used to be against Sharia law.

00:17:26.740 Now he says he likes the idea.

00:17:29.140 So a lot of Americans are concerned about Sharia law.

00:17:32.780 Sure.

00:17:33.260 And they're concerned about polls that show a strikingly large number of Muslims would like to see it supplant civil law in the countries in which they live. 0.99

00:17:42.080 Sharia law is bad, Seth. 0.78

00:17:44.000 I don't know if you've heard that.

00:17:45.000 It's bad.

00:17:45.520 It's worse than what's happening in New York and Detroit.

00:17:47.680 It's just bad.

00:17:49.240 I don't know of a single Gulf country where it's illegal to proselytize on behalf of another religion.

00:17:53.560 I think that in every Muslim majority country in the world, non-Muslims are treated, have fewer rights.

00:18:00.360 And you can tell when you go to a place like Abu Dhabi or Riyadh, like, oh, man, I hope we don't ever wind up with a society like this with a rape rate of zero where you leave your keys in your Lamborghini and don't ever worry about it being stolen.

00:18:13.080 So you often hear people say, well, Sharia is intolerant.

00:18:16.720 Women are treated badly. 0.76

00:18:18.200 Gays are treated badly.

00:18:19.280 Women have, in the Koran, fewer rights than men do. 0.99

00:18:23.660 I'm not Muslim. 0.94

00:18:24.400 I'm not for Sharia law. 0.90

00:18:25.320 On the other hand, compared to what?

00:18:26.780 Compared to Baltimore?

00:18:27.800 In England, it's four out of ten British Muslims.

00:18:30.000 In France, 29% of French Muslims would like to see it replace French law.

00:18:35.520 You know, if people want to get wasted, they do it at home.

00:18:38.240 You know what I mean?

00:18:39.380 Yeah.

00:18:39.960 Oh, boy, I hope we don't wind up with that.

00:18:41.640 But I've seen a bunch of polls like this that show that the attitudes of faithful Muslims are not Western at all and that they include a tolerance of violence you don't find among, say, Presbyterians or Jews. 0.69

00:18:53.380 You know?

00:18:53.880 Shut up. 0.95

00:18:54.900 Sharia law.

00:18:55.560 Meanwhile, a California imam is apologizing after he referred to Jews as filth.

00:19:00.680 Oh, Allah, liberate the Al-Aqsa Mosque from the filth of the Jews. 1.00

00:19:04.660 Oh, Allah, count them one by one and annihilate them down to the very last one. 0.99

00:19:08.880 Do not spare any of them.

00:19:10.480 And I...

00:19:11.080 Sorry, Sharia law. 1.00

00:19:13.720 Marjorie Taylor Greene is the same.

00:19:16.480 These people flip.

00:19:18.540 Today, I took a hard vote as a Christian who supports Israel. 0.60

00:19:22.760 I voted no to the additional funding to Israel's defense.

00:19:27.100 This comes after the Republican-controlled House voted for $3.8 billion for Israel's defense, weapons, and replenishment of the Iron Dome.

00:19:38.560 This $3.8 billion is sitting on Chuck Schumer's desk.

00:19:43.600 And he and the Democrats in the Senate, Mitch McConnell, the majority leader in the Senate for Republicans, refused to pass this bill.

00:19:53.080 These bills, $3.8 billion that could go directly to Israel's defense.

00:19:58.880 The whole propaganda machine that has been spoon-fed to Christians, whether it's in the pew of the church or Bible study or coming through the television or through their politicians' mouths, that we have to do everything for Israel. 0.92

00:20:14.960 That's the only way we're going to go to heaven.

00:20:17.140 America will be cursed if we don't.

00:20:19.000 That whole lie is breaking apart.

00:20:23.200 And thank God it is, because I as a Christian, you as a Christian, we know there's only one way, and it's through Jesus Christ.

00:20:29.620 He is our Savior.

00:20:30.860 He died on a cross for us.

00:20:32.300 He rose from the dead in three days.

00:20:34.220 He is the one and only living son of God, and he is seated at the right hand of the Father.

00:20:39.460 And he's going to come again one day to judge the living and the dead.

00:20:42.940 And that is the way you go to heaven.

00:20:45.500 It seems that anyone who is disaffected by Trump immediately turns into a pro-Qatar, anti-Israel activist.

00:20:53.080 And unfortunately, a lot of the time, anti-Israel quickly blurs into just hating Jews.

00:21:00.160 I see that Russia's version of the CBC called RT, or Russia Today, is celebrating this grassroots war against Trump, publicizing any little case of some Instagram influencer coming out against Trump.

00:21:13.060 On Friday, President Trump turned on his top ally in Congress, Marjorie Taylor Greene, after she stood firm in her demand for the files related to alleged sex trafficker and potential Israeli spy, Jeffrey Epstein.

00:21:24.960 While Trump not only obstructed them, but actually said they didn't exist for months, another 20,000 emails have been leaked relating to the case of Jeffrey Epstein, a Jewish man with ties to Mossad that ran a pedophilic blackmail operation on his private island.

00:21:38.360 The reason that this is so monumentally damning is because Trump was supposed to be the archetypal figure opposed to the establishment.

00:21:45.820 MAGA was the movement committed to destroying corruption, draining the swamp, and exposing these elitists that we always knew were trafficking and sexually exploiting children.

00:21:55.560 We elected Trump to expose things like Pizzagate and to put pedophiles in jail.

00:21:59.980 Under Trump, Epstein was arrested for sex trafficking minors, and under Trump's jurisdiction, all of these files suddenly didn't exist, and Epstein mysteriously killed himself.

00:22:08.880 Uncovering that Trump is involved in this is the deepest level of betrayal, because the Epstein case is the peak archetypal story that epitomizes all of the corruption that Trump swore to fight against.

00:22:19.580 For years now, we've been told that these files didn't exist by our presidents, by our Congress, and by the Department of Justice.

00:22:26.320 The Epstein controversy is forcing Republicans to choose sides.

00:22:29.320 You've got APAC congressmen like Troy Neils and Randy Fine standing with Trump, and America First grassroots patriots like MTG, Thomas Massey, Nick and Tucker standing with the American people.

00:22:40.620 This is a civil war.

00:22:42.120 It's MAGA versus America First.

00:22:44.260 You have to pick a side.

00:22:45.800 Now, surely it's got to be a bad sign when the Russian state broadcaster is boosting the splittists in the Republican base. 1.00

00:22:53.940 I'm worried that the general public will be turned off by all this quarreling, and especially by the plain old racism of it.

00:23:00.940 I mean, come on.

00:23:01.820 How could Tucker Carlson platform Nick Fuentes, this guy, for nearly two hours?

00:23:07.280 There is an occult element at the high levels of society, and specifically among the Jews. 0.89

00:23:16.080 So many of the people that are perpetrating the lies and the destruction on the country, they are evildoers.

00:23:24.160 They are people that worship false gods.

00:23:26.280 They are people that practice magic or rituals or whatever.

00:23:30.320 And more than anything, those people need to be, when we take power, they need to be given the death penalty.

00:23:37.640 Straight up.

00:23:39.700 And I'm far more concerned about that than I am about even non-white people or mass migration. 0.89

00:23:46.640 These people that are communing with demons and engaging in this sort of witchcraft and stuff, and these people that are suppressing the name Christ and suppressing Christianity, they must be absolutely annihilated when we take power.

00:24:02.400 This is God's country.

00:24:03.660 This is Jesus' country.

00:24:05.060 This is not the domain of atheists or devil worshipers or perfidious Jews. 0.99

00:24:10.820 This is Christ's country.

00:24:11.880 But the troll right, I don't even want to call it the right, has some powerful phrases that they use, or more accurately, abuse, or use to trick people.

00:24:21.820 I'd like to talk a little bit about a few of them.

00:24:24.200 MAGA.

00:24:25.840 America first.

00:24:27.820 Christ is king.

00:24:29.740 Permit me to share with you my thoughts on these phrases, as I've seen them a lot lately.

00:24:33.260 MAGA obviously stands for make America great.

00:24:36.520 Again, that's Trump's big idea.

00:24:38.200 It's so simple, almost cliche, but what a powerful slogan.

00:24:41.000 It so obviously wasn't the American government mindset during the Obama years on everything from military matters to diplomacy to the border to trade deals.

00:24:50.800 America was losing or just letting others win.

00:24:54.340 Trump brought back pride to America and confidence and pizzazz like Reagan did in 1980 after Jimmy Carter's malaise.

00:25:02.500 Now, I don't think anyone is trying to hijack the phrase MAGA, since it really translates into Trumpism.

00:25:09.100 It's so meshed with Trump's own personality, his personal style and pace.

00:25:14.400 I don't think anyone can steal that phrase away from Trump, which is exactly the point of that video that Russia Today loved.

00:25:21.560 They want Americans to switch off of MAGA and on to America first.

00:25:28.020 Now, why would they?

00:25:29.420 Because they're Russian or Qatari or Iranian. 0.92

00:25:32.600 Why would they want America first? 0.87

00:25:34.260 Well, by the way, America first, if you don't know, is a central campaign platform for Trump.

00:25:41.720 I mean, just go to the White House website and type in the word America first.

00:25:47.140 You'll see countless references.

00:25:49.340 Here's his executive order literally on his first day of the job.

00:25:53.160 I'll read it.

00:25:53.820 Section one purpose.

00:25:55.220 From this day forward, the foreign policy of the United States shall champion core American interests and always put America and American citizens first.

00:26:02.060 That was really just the headline.

00:26:04.720 There are so many other details, so many other executive orders on trade, on investment, on energy, on so many things.

00:26:18.640 America first is hardwired right into it.

00:26:22.060 On policing, on drilling.

00:26:25.600 I don't know.

00:26:26.060 It's sort of exciting to have an American who thinks about America.

00:26:28.560 On the UN and environmentalism.

00:26:31.440 Trump hates the UN and environmentalism.

00:26:33.600 There are literally dozens of policies that Trump has proposed, going back decades, really, that fall under America first.

00:26:40.180 I mean, you could dig up old videos of him in the 80s talking about it.

00:26:45.140 But those on the troll right are trying to use America first to attack Trump, which is sort of weird and crazy.

00:26:52.540 Like I say, other than the seven B-2 bomber strikes and shooting at these narco-terrorist drug boats, Trump hasn't entangled America in foreign wars.

00:27:04.800 In fact, I'm a bit nervous about how some of his peace deals look like with the former terrorists running Syria or even his plans to pacify Gaza.

00:27:15.140 I'm not sure if that's even possible.

00:27:17.420 But look, the guy's a peacemaker.

00:27:19.340 He's been living it.

00:27:21.100 But to the troll right, it's not enough.

00:27:23.160 They want a full American retreat.

00:27:25.820 Without it, they warn hundreds of thousands of Americans will die, especially if Trump bombs Iran's nuclear facility.

00:27:33.220 How is the U.S. military, do you think, having spent your life in it, leading troops in combat and at the Pentagon, positioned to respond to war with Iran right now?

00:27:40.760 Are we in a strong position or not, in your view?

00:27:42.820 No, I don't think we're in a strong position.

00:27:44.340 I think we're probably at the weakest point in our recent history.

00:27:46.840 I think you've got to look at the realities of new weapon systems, new capabilities.

00:27:51.600 The United States Navy, if it's going to preserve its capability at sea, is probably going to be compelled to operate somewheres north and west of Sicily.

00:27:57.920 If it comes within closer range, then it falls into this envelope where the Iranians can strike it. 1.00

00:28:02.600 And as I said before, we have to assume the Russians will come into this. 0.88

00:28:05.140 Once you move into the eastern Mediterranean, you are vulnerable to the Kinshaw missiles and other missiles, cruise missiles and hypersonic missiles that the Russians have. 0.81

00:28:11.020 This makes it very difficult to fly strikes in support of the Israeli Defense Force against Hezbollah, because now you're flying a very long distance.

00:28:17.200 You deliver your ordinance. You have to land in Israel in order to refuel. 0.92

00:28:20.060 Israel is going to operate under a hail, if not a rainstorm, of missiles and rockets, making it very, very dangerous to do so.

00:28:25.380 So our naval power, while substantial, may not have the desired impact on the ground that we would like.

00:28:30.040 Yeah, no, Iran didn't even shoot a firecracker back at America.

00:28:34.980 The troll right was wrong.

00:28:36.420 But they had their mission, which was to stop Trump from attacking their friends in Iran and Qatar.

00:28:44.240 Yeah, no, Iran didn't even, I mean, I don't even, they barely even protested.

00:28:48.380 The anti-Semitic wing of the troll right, they talk about Trump fighting Israel's wars.

00:28:54.440 But in fact, Israel is the one country where U.S. troops are not based.

00:28:59.540 There are nearly 50,000 American soldiers in Germany, have been for 80 years.

00:29:06.160 The U.S. is still in Italy.

00:29:07.740 They never left after the Second World War.

00:29:09.320 They're still in Japan.

00:29:10.300 Did you know that?

00:29:11.280 Still in Korea. 0.99

00:29:13.020 Americans never left those places, some of them going back more than a century.

00:29:17.540 There's even a U.S. base in England.

00:29:20.320 What?

00:29:20.980 How?

00:29:21.520 Why?

00:29:21.780 Not to mention many Muslim countries like Turkey and Qatar.

00:29:26.700 Qatar actually has the biggest U.S. base in the region, which costs the U.S. about $10 billion a year.

00:29:33.060 Basically, the American Air Force is defending Qatar.

00:29:37.100 Not quite sure why, not quite sure who agreed to that, but that's how it is.

00:29:41.580 Israel does not have a U.S. base there.

00:29:43.560 They do get about $3 billion a year in annual military aid, which Netanyahu has just announced he'd like to phase out.

00:29:50.540 I haven't heard Qatar or Germany or Japan or Korea talk about phasing out the U.S. military bases in their countries.

00:29:58.320 But I just don't buy it when the anti-Semitic troll right says America fights Israel's wars.

00:30:03.100 In fact, the last 25 years of wars haven't been Israel's wars.

00:30:08.140 They've been Muslim wars, not Jewish wars, Iraq, Kuwait, fighting ISIS, Kosovo, Somalia, Libya.

00:30:18.240 There are even U.S. troops in Syria right now.

00:30:22.920 But my point about America first is that it's not America only, which some of the troll right are using.

00:30:29.180 Because if America isn't going to have a footprint around the world anymore.

00:30:33.380 I mean, by the way, I'm not advocating that America withdraw from the world.

00:30:36.720 I'm just pointing out that Israel does not have an American base.

00:30:39.520 And the $3 billion a year to Israel sounds like a lot, but it is a sliver of a fraction of what America spends in other bases like Turkey and Qatar.

00:30:48.860 If America doesn't want a base around the world, that's fine.

00:30:53.760 But someone else will.

00:30:56.080 I mentioned Syria.

00:30:57.300 There is a Russian air base in Syria right now.

00:31:01.140 If America isn't in Qatar, and I don't think they should be, by the way, Qatar will probably align with someone else.

00:31:08.440 Probably China. 0.82

00:31:09.520 I mentioned the U.S. deal with Malaysia a moment ago designed to push out the Chinese and grab the rare earth minerals so China doesn't get them. 0.90

00:31:18.180 Trump wants America to protect Christians in Nigeria, Africa.

00:31:21.760 And I think he really means to do it to protect Christians.

00:31:24.600 I think he believes in that.

00:31:26.260 I think it also helps him back in the United States.

00:31:28.500 But I think he also wants America to have a bigger presence in Africa.

00:31:32.160 China has effectively colonized Africa.

00:31:35.080 It's by far the largest investor in that country.

00:31:37.840 Right now, America looks like it's trying to topple Venezuela's Nicolas Maduro.

00:31:44.140 Iran and Russia have really tried to colonize that country.

00:31:48.160 Trump wants them out.

00:31:50.840 You could have a worldview against all of this, by the way, against all U.S. foreign aid and against all U.S. military bases around the world, against many of these deals I've mentioned.

00:32:00.820 And that's a principled position to take.

00:32:03.960 You could call it isolationist, libertarian, whatever.

00:32:06.260 I mean, it's not quite principled when Israel is the only beneficiary you're talking about.

00:32:13.140 But if you are, for America alone, which is a fair position, you should be ready to accept that China will fill the vacuum. 0.51

00:32:24.240 I think that's why Trump wants Greenland.

00:32:26.920 Because China was sniffing around to get a base in Greenland.

00:32:30.540 Did you know that?

00:32:32.240 China and Russia are both racing for Arctic resources.

00:32:36.620 Russia's recently built a high Arctic base.

00:32:39.600 Is it America first to have an American base in Greenland?

00:32:44.080 There already is one, by the way.

00:32:45.980 I think so, because the goal is to push the Russians and the Chinese out. 1.00

00:32:49.780 Is it an America-only position to have an American base in Greenland?

00:32:56.620 No, obviously not.

00:32:58.060 But going back 200 years ago, the U.S. military projected its might around the world, not to be a globo cop, but to protect the interests of the U.S.

00:33:08.280 200 years ago, more than 200 years ago, 225 years ago, the U.S. Navy was fighting the Barbary pirates off of the Libyan coast to stop the Muslim slave traders who were raiding American ships.

00:33:26.580 Thomas Jefferson was fine with those battles.

00:33:30.260 It was halfway around the world, but it was protecting American interests.

00:33:33.660 So America first, of course, sounds great. 0.98

00:33:36.780 Very Trumpy.

00:33:37.840 We haven't been able to manage it in trade relations here in Canada.

00:33:41.580 I think that's in part because Mark Carney prefers to fight with Trump for domestic reasons.

00:33:46.140 But America first, in many ways, means Canada first because it's getting out of wokeness.

00:33:52.380 It's getting towards energy production again.

00:33:54.920 It's deregulating.

00:33:56.240 It's strengthening liberty.

00:33:58.420 I love America first, and I think Canada should be similar. 0.98

00:34:03.660 Trump is America first.

00:34:05.040 It's in half his executive orders.

00:34:07.060 He's not America only, and he never has been.

00:34:09.660 Go read his tweets going back 15 years.

00:34:12.600 Because America only is actually another way of saying make way for China or Iran or whomever. 0.58

00:34:19.100 But what about the phrase, and I see more and more Republican circles online saying, Christ is king, if you haven't seen it.

00:34:28.380 Now, to me, that's a religious statement, a Christian statement.

00:34:32.420 I think I'm a bit more private about religious discussions than many people are.

00:34:36.880 But whenever I see a Republican activist declare Christ is king, I'm delighted.

00:34:42.080 I mean, isn't that a core tenet of being Christian?

00:34:45.360 And I say that as a Jew because I know that the standard Jewish prayers always start the same way.

00:34:52.140 I'll translate into English.

00:34:54.560 In the Hebrew, it's reference to, blessed art thou God, king of the universe, or king of the world.

00:35:01.220 So the Jews start every prayer with God, king of the world, which I take to be the analogous saying of Christ is king for Christians.

00:35:10.280 And if you don't believe that Christ is king, I think you're missing the core principle of Christianity.

00:35:17.020 That's sort of what the whole religion is based on, isn't it?

00:35:19.960 It's a foundation for things.

00:35:21.520 Of course, Christ is king.

00:35:22.740 Superior to any flesh and bone king is the meaning.

00:35:26.760 Christ is superior to mortal kings, or for that matter, any mere politician.

00:35:32.340 That's what I love about the phrase, Christ is king.

00:35:35.120 It's a statement that whoever says it puts things above politics, above materialism, that it informs their political beliefs, of course.

00:35:46.000 But Christianity is number one for them. 0.99

00:35:47.780 I'm incredibly comfortable with that.

00:35:50.680 In fact, I think the whole world depends on that because Christianity depends on that. 0.88

00:35:55.320 And the safety and prosperity of the world, in my view, depends on Christianity.

00:35:58.920 But if I may, and maybe it's a bit dangerous for me to weigh in here, for much of the troll right, the Nick Fuentes Nazi right, saying Christ is king isn't a description of one's humility or one's submission to God.

00:36:15.660 It's sort of a test of the other guy, a probe of the other guy to see if they'll agree and who gets to best the other guy.

00:36:24.380 I mean, it's sort of crazy that such an anti-Christian pagan as Nick Fuentes, who idolizes Stalin and Hitler, has the temerity to even use the phrase.

00:36:35.740 Raise your right hand.

00:36:36.840 All right, everybody, raise your right hand.

00:36:38.600 Repeat after me.

00:36:40.920 I will kill, rape, and die for Nicholas J. Fuentes.

00:36:46.980 Yeah, Nick Fuentes is not Christian. 0.97

00:36:49.400 And when people like that use the phrase Christ is king, they're not saying it as a statement of their own faith, but as a kind of trump card, if you pardon the pun.

00:37:00.660 There are some true Christians for whom Christ is king is how they live.

00:37:04.940 But I see too many on the troll right, just saying that as a talking point.

00:37:10.080 They actually never go to church.

00:37:12.600 They don't know the Bible.

00:37:13.800 They've never read it.

00:37:15.060 And they live the opposite way.

00:37:17.620 They put politics and punditry and arguing ahead of everything, especially ahead of Christianity. 0.92

00:37:24.860 I don't say Christ is king because I'm not Christian.

00:37:27.460 But as you know, Rebel News tries to follow Judeo-Christian values, and an important part of our editorial mission at Rebel is to support Christians and to fight for Christians when they're under attack.

00:37:38.760 Whether that's in Iraq, where, as you know, we crowdfunded $200,000 to help rescue Christian families and get them out of there from the threat of ISIS.

00:37:49.420 Or here in Canada, where we help defend many Christian churches that were targeted during the COVID lockdowns, like Arthur Pavlovsky in Calgary, but also a dozen churches from coast to coast.

00:37:59.720 I mention all this because there is a huge battle going on online, MAGA, America first, America only, Christ is king.

00:38:07.720 And it's gaining momentum because it's being fueled by online robots, fake accounts, obviously administered by foreign actors.

00:38:16.880 I'm not just talking about Russia today, which is very public about it.

00:38:20.440 I'm talking about Qatar's massive influence operation in America.

00:38:25.040 Almost $100 billion across Congress, colleges, think tanks, and corporations.

00:38:31.640 That's not just bigger than Israel.

00:38:33.280 That's bigger than every other country combined.

00:38:37.260 Crazy thing is Qatar, there's only 300,000 Qatari citizens, only 10% of the people there.

00:38:42.580 It's basically a town with a lot of indentured workers and expats. 0.57

00:38:46.760 It's crazy that it's even a country, let alone one that dropped $100 billion buying influence.

00:38:52.200 The trouble, though, with a swarm of robots repeating messages undermining Trump, or pushing for Russia or Iran or Qatar,

00:39:02.100 or generally demoralizing the country, like Tucker taking on Winston Churchill or when he insults Christian Zionists,

00:39:10.540 most of it's fake.

00:39:12.680 But young people live online.

00:39:14.920 They're on their phones 12 hours a day.

00:39:17.740 They consume hundreds, even thousands of messages from accounts repeating those same slogans.

00:39:27.140 Turning against Trump, but much more importantly, turning against America.

00:39:32.660 Demanding that America retreat.

00:39:35.700 Not just America first, but America only. 0.65

00:39:38.780 That Jews and Israel are the chief threat to the West, 1.00

00:39:41.820 and that Christianity should be hostile to Jews and Israel.

00:39:46.000 I just can't get over Tucker saying he hates no one more than he hates Christian Zionists.

00:39:52.020 Remember that?

00:39:52.660 How do you explain Mike Huckabee, Ted Cruz, and there are a lot like that.

00:39:59.020 John Bolton.

00:40:00.060 I mean, I've known them all.

00:40:00.940 George W. Bush, like Karl Rove.

00:40:04.140 I mean, all people I know personally who I've seen be seized by this brain virus, and they're not Jewish. 0.91

00:40:12.020 Most of them are self-described Christians.

00:40:14.440 And then the Christian Zionists who are, well, Christian Zionists. 0.85

00:40:20.240 Like, what is that?

00:40:21.320 Right.

00:40:21.420 And I can just say for myself, I dislike them more than anybody, you know, because, like, what?

00:40:30.000 Because it's Christian heresy, and I'm offended by that as a Christian. 1.00

00:40:32.980 Now, if you're over 50 years old, it could be that none of what I've just said makes sense to you.

00:40:38.920 You might be saying, what's with the word games?

00:40:41.400 Who cares?

00:40:42.120 It's all slogans.

00:40:43.120 What are you even talking about?

00:40:44.420 I've never even heard of this.

00:40:45.460 Well, that's because you don't have a TikTok account, and you're not on other apps aimed at teens and 20-somethings.

00:40:52.820 I even see high schoolers flipping sides, being groomed online to hate Trump, to hate America, to support Qatar, to despise Israel, to give China and Russia a pass.

00:41:05.020 It's boiling over in America online.

00:41:08.120 I see it starting to splash over into Canada, too.

00:41:11.480 And as a pro-Christian, pro-Trump Canadian Jew, I feel that part of our editorial mission at Rebel News is to push back against it and to stand for the national interest, the Canadian interest, and to stand up for harmony between Christians and Jews, and to love the United States, not to hate it, either as the troll right does or as the Mark Carney liberals do.

00:41:34.960 You know, we have here for a decade at Rebel News, you know, we've covered more attacks on churches than any other news outlet in Canada.

00:41:43.940 We've crowdfunded more legal defenses for churches and pastors than anyone else.

00:41:48.700 And I don't know if you remember, but we even once crowdfunded to put a new roof on a church on an Indian reserve.

00:41:55.880 You remember that?

00:41:56.340 I believe in America first for Americans, Canada first for Canadians, and I agree with my Christian friends that they ought to believe that Christ is King, and they ought to live that way, more importantly.

00:42:08.880 I don't believe in the splittest information operation that has been unleashed on our teenagers and college students, and unfortunately, we'll have to do as much battle on the troll right as we have typically done on the woke left.

00:42:23.560 What do you think?

00:42:27.220 Stay with us for more from Sheila Gunn-Reed down in Belém, Brazil.

00:42:39.800 Well, one of our favorite things to do is to cover things that other people don't cover around the world, things that affect us here in Canada, even though they happen, for example, in the streets of Davos, Switzerland, in the case of the World Economic Forum, or this week, in the case of Belém.

00:42:53.560 Belém, that's the name of a city in Brazil.

00:42:58.060 Joining us now from Brazil is our intrepid reporter, our chief reporter, Sheila Gunn-Reed, who will explain what is she doing halfway around the world.

00:43:07.900 Sheila, it's not Davos.

00:43:09.800 It's sort of slummy compared to it.

00:43:13.020 But you're at the UN Global Warming Conference, aren't you?

00:43:16.860 I sure am.

00:43:18.360 Belém, Brazil, it's the mouth of the Amazon.

00:43:20.780 They call it the gateway to the Amazon.

00:43:22.720 It's sort of where the Amazon meets the ocean.

00:43:25.640 And this is where they chose to hold the United Nations Climate Change Conference this year.

00:43:29.560 Now, some places of the city are very, very nice, but some places of the city are very, very, I'm going to be polite, not nice.

00:43:40.260 And there's a real stark contrast with how the haves and the have-nots live in this city.

00:43:47.140 And that's one of the things that the United Nations, and I think by extension the media accredited by the United Nations normally, don't want to talk about.

00:43:56.840 Yeah, and by not nice, I think what you mean is it's just poor, extremely poor.

00:44:02.360 Extremely.

00:44:02.840 This is one of the most, I think the word that they use is favelized cities in the world.

00:44:12.440 Favelas are, you know, the United Nations World Economic Forum dream of you'll own nothing and be happy. 1.00

00:44:20.540 And that's really how 60-plus percent of this city lives, where it's just sort of clapboard housing with found materials on land they're squatting on with no hookups to any sort of sanitation service and maybe, maybe electricity.

00:44:39.800 Sixty percent of the people in this city of 2.5 million live that way, and it is evident all around you.

00:44:46.140 You know, what we think about Bjorn Lomborg, a Scandinavian economist who calls himself the skeptical environmentalist, and he has been banging on his drum for probably 30 years, making the same excellent point, which is if you had $100 billion, and these days you should probably say if you had a trillion dollars to make the environment better for people, you wouldn't spend it on carbon dioxide, colorless, odorless, you know,

00:45:15.400 non-toxic gas that I'm exhaling as I breathe and plants inhale for photosynthesis, you would work on sanitation, clean water, electric lights, you would work on things, basic poverty remediation, clean air, clean soil, clean water.

00:45:33.340 And the irony of having this conference in this slum, while the private jet crew come in to talk about parts per million of CO2, it couldn't be more bizarre, the contrast.

00:45:48.120 You know, just walking around the city, frankly, it angers me, because I see the sheer amount of money spent on this conference and beautifying parts, parts of the city to obscure what's really happening here.

00:46:03.100 As we said in an email we sent out earlier to say, it's a mirage.

00:46:08.060 It angers me, because I think, look, and I realize I'm going to sound like a bleeding heart socialist, but I'm definitely not.

00:46:15.260 But the sheer amount of money spent on this conference, where the world's environmentalists circumnavigate the globe to take a selfie at a conference, while the people around them are really suffering with abject poverty and a government that's failing them,

00:46:30.800 it angers me, it angers me, 4% of the wastewater in this city is treated, only 20% of the houses are even hooked up to sewage.

00:46:41.960 The streets, when it rains here, and it rains a lot here, they run brown with turds, and nobody should have to live that way when they're spending money on environmentalist conferences.

00:46:54.440 Wow. I saw some of your video clips. I won't play all of them at full length here. For folks who want to see your work, we have a special compilation page at rebelun.com.

00:47:06.860 But I just want to play a little bit about, and I don't want to emphasize it because it's gross.

00:47:12.080 I want to emphasize it because it shows there are real environmental issues that go straight to health, quality of life, and those are being ignored.

00:47:22.360 So the jet set crew can talk about parts per billion of CO2. Here's a clip that you published over the weekend. Take a look.

00:47:29.980 Sheila Gunner-Reed for Rebel News. I'm here in Belem, Brazil. I'm here covering the United Nations Climate Change Conference.

00:47:37.400 You might call it COP30. That's what they say in the UN parlance. But really, it's the gathering of the hypocrites, and it happens every single year.

00:47:45.980 Now, right now, I'm standing in one of the first revitalization projects that the city of Belem underwent.

00:47:52.920 It's called Nova Doka. That's the park name. It's a long, linear park, and it goes along a canal.

00:48:00.420 Now, the canal is one of those untreated sewage canals, but the city has done its best to disguise it by planting flowers in the untreated sewage.

00:48:12.020 And just in time for the United Nations Climate Change Conference, the sewage is actually claiming the lives of the flowers.

00:48:20.800 It's called Nova Doka, but I'm calling it Fart Park.

00:48:24.020 We were in this park initially on the lookout for the infamous fiberglass trees that were made by a Brazilian artist and erected in place of the trees that were slashed down to create the facility for the Climate Change Conference and the highway through the Amazon for the Climate Change Conference.

00:48:46.740 I think roughly $5 million Canadian were spent on the fiberglass trees.

00:48:51.280 I have yet to find them. I will, though, before I go home.

00:48:54.000 Instead, I found what they're calling an eco-tree.

00:48:57.360 Again, because they cut down a bunch of trees in the place of the real trees.

00:49:03.420 They've erected these rebar structures and then put fast-growing vines up the structure, again, in lieu of actual trees.

00:49:13.360 And let me remind you, we are in the Amazon rainforest.

00:49:18.440 Look, people who watch my work know that I am by no means an animal rights activist.

00:49:24.560 I realize that animals and humans are all part of the circle of life.

00:49:29.720 And, of course, you know, I eat animals.

00:49:31.840 But there was something very tragic and heartbreaking about seeing these little birds plucking around in the raw, untreated sewage in a park that is here to mask the environmental damage that took place for the environmentalists to have their week-long party.

00:49:49.640 You know, it's not just that they're, you know, it's so weird that you said they're at the mouth of the Amazon, and yet they're chopping down so many trees to put a road through.

00:50:02.360 I mean, the whole, you know, global warming is we've got to protect the Amazon or whatever, even though the Amazon is the greatest consumer of carbon dioxide, needs carbon dioxide.

00:50:12.640 Tell me about the road that was hacked through the Amazon just for this conference.

00:50:19.400 And tell me if they make it – tell me about some of the rules in place to stop reporters from knowing about this road.

00:50:27.100 You know, it's actually really difficult to find the road.

00:50:31.060 It took us some time, and we had to get creative.

00:50:33.720 But the road roughly translates to Freedom Highway, but you're definitely not free to go looking for it or to report on it.

00:50:42.660 It's a 13-kilometer stretch of highway through environmentally sensitive portions of the Amazon rainforest, and it was first tabled as a project in 2012.

00:50:55.940 They said, you know what, we probably shouldn't be doing this.

00:50:58.520 But when they were worried about the traffic congestion around having 55,000 delegates – that's just delegates.

00:51:05.020 That's not the environmental activists and busybodies who fly in.

00:51:08.060 I think it's probably half as many more that fly in for the conference.

00:51:12.600 They were worried about the traffic congestion.

00:51:14.480 So they thought, let's advance this project where they carve a highway through the rainforest.

00:51:21.160 And look, before we get too deep into this, I'm pro-highway.

00:51:24.420 I think highways can be built responsibly.

00:51:28.440 But this is – you know, when they're telling me that my summer road trip is the problem while okaying a highway through the rainforest, that doesn't make any sense to me.

00:51:39.640 Now, we went looking for this highway.

00:51:42.800 You can sort of kind of see where it might be on a map.

00:51:46.720 And we had – you know, a year ago, other media outlets had satellite footage of it and drone footage.

00:51:55.460 You cannot find that now.

00:51:56.720 Like, there's no two-days version of drone footage of it.

00:52:01.300 And there's a reason for that.

00:52:02.460 We actually met a man in the city.

00:52:05.360 And he worked security on this highway.

00:52:08.480 And he said, well, part of my job at the highway is to shoot down the drones.

00:52:14.420 And so we knew that if we were able to find it, if we put the drone up, which we do have with us, we would just lose the footage anyway.

00:52:21.500 But we were able to find the highway by locating something on the map that was close.

00:52:27.820 And then we sort of just hiked in.

00:52:29.860 And it's very hard to find.

00:52:32.120 We did find it.

00:52:32.940 We were able to get close enough to it.

00:52:35.560 But when I was there, man alive, Ezra, that highway is the least ecologically damaging thing that I saw there.

00:52:42.240 Because it's just garbage.

00:52:44.840 Just garbage everywhere.

00:52:45.960 Garbage floating in the tributaries.

00:52:47.640 Garbage floating in the rivers.

00:52:48.640 People swimming in the rivers of garbage.

00:52:51.420 While I can't use a straw at home.

00:52:53.800 And there's a highway through the rainforest right there.

00:52:57.280 But we were able to get some footage of the highway and show people.

00:53:00.580 And I think it's really ironic that there are so many journalists here for the United Nations Climate Change Conference.

00:53:07.680 And not a single one of them was intrepid enough to find this highway and show people what it is and where it is.

00:53:14.100 Let's take a quick look at your report now.

00:53:15.980 Friends, we found it.

00:53:17.620 It was hard.

00:53:18.640 They don't want you to see this.

00:53:20.260 It's very difficult to find where we are on Google Maps.

00:53:24.560 We actually had to find somewhere close.

00:53:27.120 And then Uber there.

00:53:29.200 What's behind me is what's called Avienda Liberdade.

00:53:32.700 Now, that means Freedom Highway, but it is the highway, the 13-kilometer highway, that the government cut through the rainforest to alleviate the traffic, if you can believe that, for the United Nations Climate Change Conference.

00:53:48.380 Now, this highway was first proposed in 2012, but it was put on the shelf back then because they said cutting a highway through the Amazon rainforest would be too environmentally precarious.

00:53:59.840 But it's not environmentally precarious when the world's elites need a shortcut to their climate change conference.

00:54:07.020 We would love to show you what this highway looks like from above as it carves its way through the Amazon rainforest, but we can't.

00:54:13.520 And that's not because we don't have the equipment.

00:54:15.340 We brought a drone with us, but because this project is so embarrassing to the government, they are not allowing drones to go up.

00:54:25.000 In fact, last night in the city, we met a man who works security on this highway, and he said part of his job is shooting the drones down.

00:54:34.120 So we could put our drone up, but we would never get the footage because we would never have the drone ever again.

00:54:39.780 And I've got to be honest with you.

00:54:41.000 I'm not against highways.

00:54:42.640 I love highways.

00:54:44.600 But cutting a highway through the rainforest, it could be problematic.

00:54:48.520 But it's the least problematic thing I saw in the Amazon today because right beside this highway construction site is, I think, what they might deem a resort,

00:54:58.680 but the stench of garbage piled up here in the 32-degree heat was horrific.

00:55:08.100 It's right in front of me.

00:55:09.780 It's right along this little stream that flows into the Amazon behind me.

00:55:15.260 Well, Sheila, you mentioned a ton of journalists.

00:55:17.400 I know that there was one other independent journalist who was there earlier.

00:55:21.060 His name is Waleed Tamtam.

00:55:22.260 He works for our friends at Juno News.

00:55:23.800 I was glad he went.

00:55:24.620 Is there any other journalists there from Canada that you can detect?

00:55:32.060 I mean, it's a big place.

00:55:32.880 You might not see them all, but even their work on TV.

00:55:35.960 And if so, here's the obvious question.

00:55:38.500 Are they there as stenographers, just repeaters, or has any of them asked even a single skeptical question?

00:55:47.820 I think we know the answer to that.

00:55:52.800 The CBC, you know, the mainstream media have journalists here.

00:55:56.280 You did point out that Waleed Tamtam was here.

00:55:58.200 I did run into a journalist that I always run into at these things.

00:56:02.340 It's Alex Newman.

00:56:03.100 He works for the New American.

00:56:05.940 I know that our friends from CFACT were here earlier.

00:56:09.120 So, again, American journalists.

00:56:10.560 They were eager to talk to us.

00:56:13.140 But as far as the Canadian journalists, they're just repeaters.

00:56:16.820 And they're sitting in the comfort of the air conditioning in the UN complex while we're outside telling the real stories of the city around us.

00:56:26.500 Last question for you.

00:56:27.840 I remember when Donald Trump was first elected, and that put sort of – it was like a funereal mood over this place because, you know, I remember Justin Trudeau was elected in 2015.

00:56:43.220 The first thing he went to was the Paris Global Warming Summit.

00:56:46.600 It was luxurious.

00:56:47.580 It was Paris.

00:56:48.180 Who wouldn't love to go to Paris?

00:56:49.820 Canada had, I think, the largest delegation in the world.

00:56:52.260 Everyone wanted a free trip to Paris.

00:56:54.560 And it was the best of times.

00:56:58.120 One year later, or maybe it was two years later.

00:57:02.500 Forgive me.

00:57:02.800 I'll have to check the time.

00:57:03.660 It would have been January 2017.

00:57:06.460 Sorry.

00:57:06.860 You know what?

00:57:07.160 Let me withdraw the exact date.

00:57:08.300 It was right after Trump was elected.

00:57:09.820 I forget the exact date.

00:57:11.520 And it was, oh, my God, Trump is in.

00:57:14.680 The party's over.

00:57:16.580 Now, then Trump was replaced by Joe Biden for four years.

00:57:22.340 And they had John Kerry as the climate ambassador.

00:57:25.640 Everything was revved up again.

00:57:27.100 Are we back to the funeral procession where everyone down there knows that, sure, they can do their deals and lobbying and get their contracts, but it's not going to be the glorious utopia that they once thought?

00:57:40.460 You know, I was in Marrakesh right after Donald Trump got elected, and he said he was going to tear up the Paris Agreement.

00:57:48.420 And that was sort of hanging in the air like a cloud when I was there.

00:57:52.700 Now, I will tell you that this doesn't seem funerary, but I think they've learned something here at the United Nations Climate Change Conference.

00:58:02.460 In fact, I think they're building on that post-Donald Trump getting elected the first time censorship, and they're incorporating that into what they're doing here now.

00:58:13.540 They know that that's how they win the information battle is by censoring people like me, skeptics of, you know, the taxes, change the weather mantra.

00:58:22.820 And the Canadian government has signed on to basically a climate change misinformation decree and where, you know, skeptical journalists should be censored and pro-climate change journalists should be rewarded for their coverage.

00:58:44.100 And that's what's coming out of this United Nations Climate Change Conference.

00:58:49.240 So we're seeing them learning by censoring the internet.

00:58:56.600 They're making sure that the information that we put out there, you know, firsthand journalism, they're making sure that if they had their way, it wouldn't see the light of day.

00:59:07.380 Well, Brazil is a real battleground over censorship.

00:59:09.720 I was there about a year ago with our colleague Efron Monsanto to cover a huge rally.

00:59:15.360 I think there were 200,000 people there who were rallying for free speech after a judge banned Twitter, or now called X, from the entire country.

00:59:25.800 Every single account was banned because Twitter was reporting things that this judge didn't like about politics.

00:59:33.560 So Brazil really is a front line in the censorship information wars.

00:59:37.400 And it's such a huge country population-wise that it is a great prize.

00:59:43.440 Brazil is such a great prize.

00:59:45.400 And it swings back.

00:59:46.960 I mean, Bolsonaro was the president before he was very America-centric, very freedom-oriented.

00:59:52.480 And now Lula, I think, is back in.

00:59:55.180 I forget names of these communists.

00:59:58.160 So South America is huge.

01:00:01.120 The whole continent is a battleground.

01:00:03.120 And I'm not surprised that censorship is the weapon being used.

01:00:07.500 Pardon me.

01:00:08.180 I'm glad you were allowed in the country.

01:00:11.420 You know, they could have stopped you at the border.

01:00:13.260 I bet it'll be the last time.

01:00:14.180 Sorry, go ahead.

01:00:14.880 I bet it'll be the last.

01:00:16.080 I was just saying, I bet it'll be the last time.

01:00:18.920 We did get our Brazilian visas to work here.

01:00:21.880 However, I've been hearing from Brazilians online reaching out to me after they've seen

01:00:27.840 my work to say, look, the government does not look kindly on foreign journalists pointing

01:00:34.220 out the problems with our country.

01:00:35.860 And so while you're here, work really hard, but you probably won't be allowed back.

01:00:39.920 Wow.

01:00:40.400 Wow.

01:00:41.060 Well, I'm glad they let you in.

01:00:42.480 I guess they didn't really know who you were.

01:00:45.040 They didn't know.

01:00:45.900 They hadn't done their due diligence.

01:00:47.140 Why would they?

01:00:47.900 But now that you've been reporting really probably one of the only independent journalists

01:00:52.520 at this thing, you know what?

01:00:54.500 That's a shame because Brazil in many ways is such a wonderful place.

01:00:58.180 I was only in there for a couple of days, but it's got a lot of problems.

01:01:02.460 And sunlight is usually part of a solution for any problem, not hiding things.

01:01:08.360 Sheila, great to see you.

01:01:09.780 I'm glad you're safe.

01:01:10.840 Stay safe.

01:01:11.840 It's a bit of a rougher place than back home here.

01:01:15.520 Keep up the great work.

01:01:16.320 Thanks for your help.

01:01:17.900 I will.

01:01:18.500 Thanks, boss.

01:01:19.200 All right.

01:01:19.500 There it is.

01:01:20.260 Sheila Gunn-Reed from Belém, Brazil.

01:01:23.200 And you can see all of her work at rebelun.com.

01:01:26.700 And if you want to chip in a little bit to cover our economy class airfare down there and

01:01:30.880 the Airbnb they're in, I sure would appreciate the help.

01:01:34.220 Please go to rebelun.com.

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01:01:47.900 Hey, welcome back.

01:01:51.460 Your letters to me on how Carney is attempting to implement World Economic Forum style managed

01:01:57.880 stakeholder capitalism.

01:01:59.460 Robert Coat says the UK, like the EU, Australia and Canada, are all on the same agenda to destroy

01:02:05.480 our economies and collapse our democratic societies.

01:02:07.740 Who benefits from that?

01:02:09.800 Well, corporations do.

01:02:11.800 I mean, just, I think of immigration when I think of everyone's got to get a bank account 0.65

01:02:16.880 and everyone's got to get a cell phone.

01:02:18.400 So there's certain capitalists who love mass immigration.

01:02:24.040 I suppose to answer the question more about a managed economy is, you know, the oligarchs,

01:02:30.820 if you have an enormous holding in Brookfield Asset Management, you'll always do fine.

01:02:36.020 It's just ordinary people and working people in the middle class that get squeezed.

01:02:41.240 Ace Path 3001 says, Carney despises the potential that Canada's youth has.

01:02:47.220 He probably doesn't think of it that way.

01:02:49.000 He probably thinks I'm wiser than anyone.

01:02:52.020 I ran the Bank of England.

01:02:53.540 I ran the Bank of Canada.

01:02:54.580 I was with Goldman Sachs.

01:02:55.860 I was the chairman of Brookfield.

01:02:57.320 I know more than anyone else.

01:02:59.160 I'm the smartest person in the room.

01:03:00.780 I don't need to listen to anyone else.

01:03:02.480 Remember that story I told about, oh my God, who's in charge of making sure all the right

01:03:07.200 amount of bread go to the right bakeries and restaurants in Paris?

01:03:10.680 The answer is no one is.

01:03:12.200 It's spontaneous order as opposed to planned chaos.

01:03:15.940 I think that Mark Carney is a socialist in the vein of he wants to be the central planner.

01:03:22.860 Big Terry XAG says, he fled Winnipeg in shame last night as well.

01:03:27.600 I think you're talking about the arena that when they announced Mark Carney had booze for

01:03:35.980 him.

01:03:36.780 Here, let me know if you can hear it in the background sound here.

01:03:41.160 You're the visiting team.

01:03:42.980 Your choice.

01:03:44.700 Tails.

01:03:45.220 Tails.

01:03:46.400 Mr. Prime Minister, would you do us the honor?

01:03:49.760 Tails has been called.

01:03:53.300 This is a Tails.

01:03:55.680 Saskatchewan has won the top.

01:03:57.200 Yeah, I don't think he's quite as popular with the people as the press gallery leads

01:04:01.520 him to believe.

01:04:03.020 Well, that's our show for today.

01:04:04.800 Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, see you at home.

01:04:08.360 Good night.

01:04:09.440 And keep fighting for freedom.

01:04:10.560 Thank you.

Rebel News Podcast - November 18, 2025

EZRA LEVANT ｜ What’s the difference between America First and MAGA？

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