EZRA LEVANT ｜ Why the Liberals’ under-16 social media ban is a trojan horse for more government control online
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The Liberals are set to bring in their new internet censorship bill tomorrow, requiring everyone to identify themselves when they go online. They say it s to protect kids, but then why are they forcing every adult to do it too? I ll take you through their proposal as leaked to the regime media, and we'll also have a good chat with Karima Saad, who was there at the big Walk with Israel march on Sunday in Toronto.
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Hello, my friends. Tomorrow, our Prime Minister, Mark Carney, intends to bring a new
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censorship bill in the form of forcing everyone to give ID when they log into their phones for
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an app. They say it's to protect kids, but then why are they forcing every adult to do it too?
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I'll take you through their proposal as leaked to the regime media. We'll also have a good chat
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with Karima Saad, who was there at the big Walk with Israel march on Sunday in Toronto.
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Tonight, the liberals are set to bring in their new internet censorship bill tomorrow,
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requiring everyone to identify themselves when they go online.
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It's June 9th, and this is The Ezra Levant Show.
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what's so gross about the liberals is how they frame every censorship effort as a strategy to
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protect children i remember when justin trudeau brought in his censorship bill he had a couple
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of parts that were inoffensive that anyone could get behind such as protecting children from porn
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and a part of it designed to punish revenge porn, if you know what I mean.
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But of course, both of those are already in the criminal code.
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They were just added to this censorship bill as a distraction
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that was to censor what the government calls hate speech.
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So that anyone who was concerned about the censorship of political opinions,
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they can be called callous towards children or worse you don't support child pornography do you
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then why are you opposed to this censorship bill the liberals sometimes do the same thing with
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terrorism too they'll throw in some anti-terrorism aspect into a censorship bill again always one
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that we already have on the books and then they claim free speech critics are soft on terrorism
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the irony in that eh of course the opposite is true trudeau and now his successor mark carney
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certainly don't care about terrorism, haven't done anything discernible to protect children.
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They just use those two items to excuse their plans to censor you and me. Remember,
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these are the people who brought in the Emergencies Act, not for any emergency,
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but because the peaceful truckers were embarrassing them and honking their horns.
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So here they come again. Liberals have leaked to their regime media the news that tomorrow they
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will introduce a new kind of censorship bill. And again, they're saying it's for the kids.
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Here's the story in the Globe and Mail. Ottawa planning social media ban for users under 16.
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Ottawa is preparing to propose a ban on social media for children under 16 as a part of a
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comprehensive digital safety bill to be introduced Wednesday, according to a source familiar with the
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proposal, a new digital regulator, oh, okay, to be created by the bill would establish safety
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standards, the source said. Platforms that meet these standards may be permitted to allow teenagers
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back as users. So there's a pretendness that this will be temporary, and those tech companies might
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be allowed to do it in the future. It's temporary, like the income tax is temporary until we win this
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Great War. I'll read more from the Globe. Many parents and advocates have called for such a ban,
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citing various concerns about social media, from exposure to harmful content to the addictive
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effects of continuous scrolling. Now, of course, I'm a parent and I am frustrated by those very
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things and my kids' overuse of social media. And they are frustrated, in turn, by my overuse of
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social media. Even more, I think I'm worse than them. But there's something about personal
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responsibility, isn't there? I mean, I should be able to govern myself as a grown-up, and if I
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were really concerned about my kids, I'd do something about it, ranging from using existing
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parental controls, which allow you to block particular apps on your kids' phones, or even
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limit the amount of minutes your kids can use the phone each day, or just take away the phone.
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But by saying it's the phone's fault, it's like me blaming the fork manufacturer for making me
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fat. Oh, that fork. Back to the story in the globe. Critics of the concept warn it could be
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ineffective and easily circumvented and may introduce additional privacy issues. You don't
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say. You mean some kids might fib about their age when they log on and forcing everyone to
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identify themselves may introduce privacy issues? Just maybe. The obvious thing about blocking kids
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under 16 is that you need to find out who is under 16 and who is over 16. So everyone will
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have to enter their private information to prove they're not under 16. It's like a reverse ID check
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at a bar. You have to be older than 16 to get in. You have to show your ID and that's to the
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government. But you need to show your ID just to log on. Now, of course, we don't have much privacy
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left as it is i acknowledge that but this is obviously something that is private or sort of
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private obviously the government doesn't have it if they want it mark harney wants to know wants to
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make everyone sign into the internet it's not actually about kids is it parents can limit what
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their kids watch with the push of a button this is really about everyone else again using kids as the
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excuse what do you hate kids or something only a kid hater would oppose this law let me read some
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the long-awaited bill, which follows previous failed attempts by the liberals to introduce
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online harms legislation, is also expected to require companies to mitigate harmful content
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online. This would include creating mechanisms to address harms caused by artificial intelligence
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chatbots. Now, I'm open to checks and balances on artificial intelligence. I don't think I've
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fully made up my mind on that yet, but that's not really what we're talking about here, is it?
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we're talking about using ai and chatbots and everything else as a reason to panic and to
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declare an emergency so they need to regulate every smartphone in the country every internet
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account every google search every tweet so they're using people's unease with ai which i share
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as an excuse to make you lose to give up your privacy on the phone oh it's for the kids don't
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you see i'm not saying things can't or shouldn't improve but don't pretend this is about protecting
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children parents protect children governments use children as a cover for their plots you know just
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before i read about canada's plans to bring in digital id on smartphones the united kingdom
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curiously introduced almost the exact same thing i i think the extremely authoritarian extremely
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unpopular Prime Minister of the UK, Keir Starmer, is really setting a lot of Canadian policy. I'm
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not exaggerating, I'm not making a joke here. I really think that on everything from censorship
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and digital ID to environmentalism and mass immigration, I think it's weird. I mean,
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here's Starmer's speech just yesterday on this exact subject just yesterday.
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The pace of change cannot be an excuse for harm.
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And where technology poses a threat to our people, to our children, we will act quickly and firmly.
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They allowed their tools to be used to create disgusting, explicit AI images.
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And all tech companies should know, if they fall short on their responsibility to keep people safe, we will act with the same decisiveness.
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And one issue is the ability for children with phones to send and receive nude images.
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now for too long people have been told that is simply the price of modern tech that nothing
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can be done that government is powerless that parents just have to accept it but I reject that
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completely because tech should adapt to the needs of society not the other way around
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and so if we're serious about unlocking the opportunities that tech can bring then we must
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also be serious about protecting our children from those who look to abuse it from the online
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predators who target our children and from the sexual abuse that they enable that is why today
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I'm calling on tech companies operating in this country to introduce device controls that prevent
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children from sending and receiving sexually explicit images because this is not an impossible
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challenge. These are the sum of the most innovative companies in the world and I believe they can
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solve it. But if they choose not to, then we will act and we will change the law. Because when it
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comes to the safety of our children, standing by is not an option. I'm sorry I made you watch so
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much of that. Did you know he is the most unpopular prime minister in the history of British polling?
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I mean, I'm sure there was someone in medieval times who was more hated, but not in recent times.
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Anyways, expect Mark Carney, a British citizen, to pretty much read the same speech.
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Keir Starmer doesn't actually care about protecting young people, particularly young people and sexual interference.
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He has refused to call a meaningful inquiry into the UK's rape gangs, and he vigorously opposed it when he was the chief prosecutor.
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He doesn't actually care about solving problems of child exploitation.
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Oh, by the way, here's the U.S. response to Keir Starmer.
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White House urges UK not to ban social media for under-16s.
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Trump administration says restrictions could impose disproportionate burden on U.S. tech companies.
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I mean, it's true that these regulations are hitting American companies.
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Can you name a European social media company that people use?
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Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, X, Snapchat, YouTube, TikTok.
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They're all American now that Trump forced TikTok to sell.
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So the U.S. regards that as anti-U.S. censorship.
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And in Canada, they keep adding these massive fines
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that would basically be a huge tax on U.S. companies.
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New limits and penalties on U.S. tech companies.
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Added on top of the other planned security breaches in Bill C-22.
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that's where the canadian government gets a security backdoor into any app they choose yeah
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no the weird thing about all this is the force that is protecting our civil liberties in canada
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and in the uk it's not our parliament it's not the british parliament it's not our courts it's
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not our regime media that's for sure it is the united states and in particular their president
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donald j trump willing to challenge censors in other countries to protect canadian sorry pardon
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me, American social media platforms. I hope someone in Canada one day cares enough to stand
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up to all this censorship when Donald Trump is gone, but I'm not sure if I see it. Stay with us
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for more. Hey, welcome back. Well, this Sunday marked the March for Israel, actually the Walk
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with Israel it's called. They say 60,000 people attended. It was on a major artery in Toronto
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called Bathurst, along which I think at least half of the city's Jews live. It's also been where
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there's been a spate of anti-Semitic attacks ranging from vandalism to even some synagogues
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being shot at. So there's been a lot of concern. And every Sunday, as you may know, there's a
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particular intersection at Bathurst at Shepard, where there are dueling protests. There was a
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pro-Israel protest on the one side, and I think it's fair to call the other pro-Hamas, because
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I don't think pro-Palestinian describes it sufficiently. It was actually, in some cases,
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pro-antisemitic. That was my view, at least. But the policing there was, well, let's just say
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unusual. David Manzies and myself were both arrested by police for doing our style of street
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journalism there. So it was interesting to see how the policing would go this Sunday at the big
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walk. It turns out the police had different marching orders. They kept the pro-Hamas counter
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protesters significantly back and actually made several arrests. Here's some of our footage of
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the day. Take a look. I understand that the police intend to keep the pro-Hamas supporters at least
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100, perhaps 150 feet away from the route of the march. It appears they're affecting that.
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The police are behind me. I'm just going to get out of the way. If I had to guess how this is
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going to resolve, they're going to push them back 100 feet. Now, I don't know if you can see it.
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Do you see that structure over there? That's actually a Holocaust memorial here in Toronto.
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Wouldn't surprise me if some of these pro-Hamas types do some vandalism while they're here. Like
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said this is a very jewish neighborhood they are being shooed away the horses in the end were not
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necessary maybe they were just a dramatic effect the pro-terrorist supporters are indeed retreating
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well when you talk about street journalism in canada when you talk about following protests
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and the protest mania that has gripped this city there's only one place you've got to go
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And that's our friend Karima Saad, who somehow, I don't know how she does that, turns up at all the action, wherever it is, she's there.
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And what a pleasure to have her in studio today, Karima.
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Sometimes I feel like you have, you know, so many roots that you just have tipsters everywhere that something's going on.
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I'm not going to ask you to divulge your secrets on how you do it, but you always managed to be
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there at protests, not just over the Israel-Palestine stuff, Antifa protests. Tell us,
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for viewers who aren't as familiar with you, what is it that makes an event that you want to go to?
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What's the nature of an event that attracts you? I mean, so a little bit of it is convenience and
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fluke and all of those things that are out of control, out of one's control. But I am particularly
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interested in how people are expressing themselves around contentious topics. And so there are
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specific individuals who are recurring characters who might make an event of interest, specific
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locations where there's a possibility of confrontation. If I know that there will be
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competing groups, that's of interest. And so the walk with Israel really ticked all of those boxes
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this year. You had some amazing footage and we're going to come back to that, but I want to follow
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up on something that you mentioned that when I first discovered, it was like the scales fell
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from my eyes you mentioned recurring characters when i first moved to toronto i went to some
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at the time it was the um one percenter and the it was about the the banks and it was about you
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know the occupy that's right and you had occupy toronto which was a little bit different because
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there actually weren't bank failures in our country unlike the states but i started to see
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the same faces at an Occupy Toronto event, and then at a protest at an oil company. And I just
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thought, hey, I didn't get it. But there is a, I'm not sure if it's a livelihood, but there are some
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folks who are, I think I'm going to call them professional protesters. What do you think?
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Yeah, definitely. They show up all the time in different places for different causes.
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You know, what is their motivation? Easy speculation is there is an aspect of livelihood to this. I think for some, it's also about the community that they've built.
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You know, it's an opportunity to sometimes be antisocial in ways that you can mask by referring to a cause, a righteous cause, something that can be dressed up in that way.
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It's funny because sometimes I look at that footage from the time period you were referring to and some of the faces are still there to this day.
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There is a surprising American kind of influence.
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People who are were either trained or come from the States and have made their home here.
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And, you know, I find it fascinating because some of these individuals are consistently behaving poorly and are simply just in a cycle or a rotation of continuing to do the same thing.
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different places causing disruption. I think if the public understood how few individuals are behind
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so much of the disruption and high profile protest activity that is not simply benign expression
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but intended to cause either intimidation or inflict harm or economic issues, right,
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at target infrastructure. It's a relatively small group of people who are part of this circuit
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across the political spectrum. That's an amazing observation. I have one more question based on my
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own experiences, and then we're going to get straight to your footage this weekend. When I
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was at Sun News, I started covering anti-oil protests, and I discovered that there were some
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sophisticated, well-educated, and I would even say upper middle class, almost wealthy bosses,
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And then some of the more foot soldiers, some of them may even be homeless.
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Some of them may have had mental health issues or drug addictions.
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As you said, there was a sense of family and community that they would find hanging out.
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And I remember that the dirty work, the getting arrested, the being right on the front screaming at a cop or whatever, that was done by more a pawn.
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but there are occasions where the more middle management
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or upper ranking do throw themselves in the fray.
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And so when there's an opportunity to see that,
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are often quoted as experts in their respective fields and as representative voices. But it is
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an activist industry. And I don't think that that is widely understood by the Canadian public.
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You are so ubiquitous at these events. And most of your footage is just, sometimes we call it
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wildlife photography. You just turn the camera on and let things speak for themselves, right?
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You're not, I mean, you have a different style than say our friend David Menzies or even myself.
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David has a very engaged, sometimes even, you know, he gets right in people's grill and they don't like it so much.
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I mean, I think your own point of view can sometimes be mysterious because you let the video do the talking.
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You're not sort of forcing your own message on it.
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And yet, I think that you are regarded with some antipathy by these professional protesters.
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and I find that a bit of a giveaway because I don't think you're hostile I think you just show
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it as it is and the fact that they find that controversial or unlikable tells me a little
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bit about them and you what do you have to say about that I'm inclined to agree um show not tell
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um has been uh kind of a running theme um in my journey and evolution doing this work I think it's
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more effective. I prefer that people reach their own conclusions. And oftentimes, the same video
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will elicit completely opposite reactions, depending on someone's background and whatever
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baggage they bring to the table. And I'm okay with that. I'm okay with whatever the conversation
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brings. I don't have a particular agenda where I do weigh in on commentary. It's really about the
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Canadian issues of law enforcement, transparency with politicians, how are people interacting with
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one another, what's our social fabric like? So it is a giveaway that is regarded with such
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hostility and hatred. And there's a lot of effort and energy that goes into trying to make us quit
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what we're doing and i'm so far not interested in that well good for you and i know the independent
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press gallery uh which of which you're a member and i'm a member and our friend sheila gunnery
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is the president now has a bit of a security fund for journalists like yourself and others too
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who get physically targeted sometimes by i'm going to call them anti i don't know if they
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would call themselves that way um they sometimes their reaction is verbal but sometimes they get
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bit physical you and your videographer have had some you know luckily nothing too serious but uh
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the bad guys get a bit handsy i right now i'm wearing a device that i can attach my phone to
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it so someone can't snatch my phone at a protest right now we're in a friendly space it feels so
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i'm okay um but yeah there are precautions that i've had to take because people do get
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physical. It's not just online or verbal harassment. And I am grateful to the IPG for
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providing that assistance when it's needed. It's a shame that it is needed. And it's a shame that
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I think sometimes there's a double standard with policing, but we don't need to get into that right
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here. But I like your work. And I'm not alone. A lot of people follow it. And I like the fact that
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the Toronto Sun in particular, often uses your footage with credit. They give you a shout out
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to our friend Joe Warmington quite often because you are doing the street journalism that they
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used to be famous for. But of course, every mainstream media is a lot smaller now than it
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was. Without further ado, let's go straight to some of your clips from this weekend. Do you want
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to introduce the first clip and then we'll just jump right in? Yes. So this was actually fairly
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early on in the morning. And it is a protest figurehead, one of these individuals who has
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touched on different causes and different places at different times, but has really thrown himself
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into this movement. And he, Naveed, was relaying to the crowd his understanding of what police told
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him about the line for incitement of hatred. And I think it is the words speak for themselves.
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Let's take a look. Zionism is not a protected class with respect to hate speech. Political
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ideologies are not a protected class when it comes to hate speech laws. Religions are nationalities.
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So he said political classes, political groups, free game. But if you blend the two,
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then you get into more and more dangerous territory so we don't care whoever comes to
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this event what the religion is we don't care right we don't care that's our blanket statement
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we don't care anybody's religious beliefs but when they come to this event they're a zionist
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and you can call zionists roaches rats scum right zionist you can call them all that you can say
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they support genocide whatever zionists don't conflate the two don't start talking about people's
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religion in a discriminatory manner and don't be talking about people's nationalities so you can
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say israel murders kids but don't say israelis murders kids because that's a protected group
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but israel as a whole you can say israel's committing a genocide israel's killing kids
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whatever israel as a country their government their um army right but don't say israelis
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that's the gray area they're talking about it's unfortunate that's how it is we don't want to get
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arrested so whoever's coming here is a zionist we don't care what the religious is got it thank you
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he says you can call them roaches you can call them rats but unfortunately you can't say that
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about Jews. Holy smokes. I mean, he couldn't be clearer. And, you know, it I don't know that
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that's the hack that Toronto police intended to relay, but that is the impression that these
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protesters have. Yeah. Wow. Tell us about some more clips. I know you were there for hours. You
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got some great ones. That was very illuminating what you just showed there. He obviously is a
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longtime protester. I would call him an organizer, certainly a leader. And he was in that position
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there. He was teaching the others how to do it. Why not mention one more that you thought was
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interesting? So what we're about to see are two prominent Toronto Jews who are wrapping tefillin
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after they completed the walk with Israel. What's noteworthy is that protesters had left
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their designated area taking a side street that looped back up to Bathurst and police seemed not
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And it kind of took the security, the lone security guard
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The police were pretty ubiquitous and they had drones in the sky and they had staging
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areas, but they obviously didn't keep it hermetically sealed nonstop.
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Now, they fairly quickly reasserted themselves.
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I can see what you mean about your style of just show it.
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show don't tell that chaos is the right word for that it was a very interesting mix uh of things
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all in one that that's what it was like yeah and you'll note that the security guard was kind of
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trying to get um daniel tate and matthew tobe to move it along and that i think was um something
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that i saw throughout the day um police appealing to participants in the walk to not engage to keep
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it moving. And while the force did, I think, a decent job in sort of maintaining a separation
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between the groups, it wasn't constant throughout. And, you know, I'm not obviously privy to all of
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the back room conversations with police, but that to me was a pretty predictable outcome,
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especially since protesters were openly discussing their plans yeah yeah interesting um hmm let's play
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one more clip and i these are just great and you were really in the heart of it i think i recognize
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one of the senior officers here as staff sergeant mcduff i recognize him because he was the
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cop who at this same intersection just over a year ago, ordered police to handcuff me
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and arrest me. So I recognized him. Let's take a look at what McDuff was saying. And by the way,
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I'm suing him for that false arrest. Let's see what McDuff had to say on the big day on Sunday.
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By wearing the flag on your foot, you're inciting hate.
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it's a multiple situation with people and you're on both sides.
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If you don't take it off, you can't be arrested for hate crime.
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And everything we're saying is being recorded as well.
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Give me a second, so I can do one thing at a time right now.
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It was about a woman wearing a flag as a foot cover
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Again, show not tell, that's a fascinating little vignette.
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communicating with someone probably stationed remotely
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letting them know what was happening on the ground,
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receiving the instructions that, yes, if it's not removed,
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go ahead with incitement, but offer an opportunity to remedy,
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which she did and then other protesters kind of jumped in you know why does she have to right
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but ultimately the the protester complied and was not arrested right very interesting i can imagine
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how hard it is to communicate you've got a thousand two thousand cops um some experts in
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different things some higher ranks certain charges need you know approval i imagine my senior officer
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very interesting well grima thank you for coming in and sharing these videos and it's very
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interesting to me um your approach because we have you know rebel news is an activist approach
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i'm not going to call your approach passive but it's calm and it just and i like your show don't
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tell approach it's very interesting and i'd encourage folks go to protestmania.com we admire
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karima because she tells the story that others don't tell and she does so sometimes at some
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personal cost um not just the cost of doing business but i think you have been uh unfairly
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and frankly illegally targeted by some of the people who don't want your footage to happen so
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keep it up and uh thanks for stopping by our studio today thanks ezra all right there she
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is karima sad protestmania.com stay with us your letters to me next
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Hey, welcome back. Your letters to me about Tim Hortons on Tim Hortons threatening to sue Joe
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O'Connor says, I call it corporate communism. Tim Hortons is very thin skin. They're a massive
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company. They're enormous. Although they've lost about 10% of their market capitalization over the
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last month. I think they're in real trouble. I think that Dunkin Donuts is going to come in and
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eat their lunch. I was going to say eat their coffee. And they're panicking and they're trying
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to rebrand themselves as super patriots, but that is the opposite of the truth. And they're lashing
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out at us because we're one of the few media calling them out. Ken Fay says, USA is closer
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to our culture than India. I'm looking forward to Dunkin' Donuts. You know, I'm looking forward
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to them too, just so Canadians have a choice. I don't know what Dunkin' Donuts policy will be.
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Maybe they will be into foreign workers too. I hope not. Trevor Mihalik says, I haven't been
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there since they refused to let unvaccinated kids into their summer camp hey great point i remember
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that atrocious moment um that would be about five years ago now or maybe a little more just
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appalling behavior then again a lot of people did the same terrible thing and the whole world went
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mad during covid but we have a new kind of bullying today they're trying to bully journalists
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from even talking about them i promise you we will not bend the knee that's our show for today
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until tomorrow on behalf of all of us here at rebel world headquarters to you at home good