Rebel News Podcast - FACT CHECKING the UK media's lies about Tommy Robinson's appeal

00:00:00.000 Tonight, I'm back in Canada after attending Tommy Robinson's court date in London.

00:00:05.040 I've got a report for you. It's July 23rd, and you're watching The Ezra Levant Show.

00:00:15.040 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:00:18.840 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:00:22.540 You come here once a year with a sign, and you feel morally superior.

00:00:25.540 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my bloody right to do so.

00:00:36.220 I was away for most of last week. I was in London attending the legal appeal made by Tommy Robinson's lawyers.

00:00:42.320 I'd like to tell you a bit about that. I'm sure you know, but just in case you don't,

00:00:46.440 here's a minute on why Tommy is in jail in the first place.

00:00:49.780 Tommy was arrested two months ago for reporting outside the trial of a 29-person Muslim rape gang

00:00:56.760 accused of systematically and repeatedly raping young indigenous British girls as young as 11 years old.

00:01:03.720 Tommy was swarmed by seven police who packed him into a police van,

00:01:08.260 and within hours he was charged, convicted, sentenced, and sent off to prison with a 13-month term.

00:01:13.400 The actual time it took to have his trial was about 15 minutes.

00:01:18.980 And if you recall, the judge who did all that to Tommy originally put a publication ban over everything he did.

00:01:25.340 Sorry, but how is that different from how turbulent reporters are handled in Venezuela or Russia?

00:01:31.040 Now, I've been doing some cursory research into contempt of court cases in the UK.

00:01:35.580 I can't find any journalist who has been sent to prison for contempt of court since 1949.

00:01:39.580 And 13 months in prison? As you know, Tommy's confined to his own self for his own safety.

00:01:46.160 Most British prisons are dominated by Muslim criminal gangs. 1.00

00:01:49.480 They'd kill Tommy in a moment to be heroes, to get their 72 virgins, whatever. 0.99

00:01:55.420 It's not really speculation. Last time Tommy was in prison, he was attacked, in fact, by just such a gang.

00:02:01.000 So he's done two months in solitary conditions, let out just 30 minutes a day, timed by the jail so he can't even connect with his kids.

00:02:10.580 It's awful. I've told you this before.

00:02:12.420 Anyways, Tommy left the rebel to go independent a few months back, so we weren't in a position to make decisions for him,

00:02:17.760 unlike a year earlier when he was arrested for the same thing in Canterbury.

00:02:20.780 Back then, we immediately hired a top law firm, went to battle for him.

00:02:24.400 As his employer, I didn't need to consult with anyone before hiring lawyers and crowdfunding to pay them

00:02:29.740 and taking the most aggressive legal strategy we could do.

00:02:33.520 And it worked. We got him out.

00:02:35.140 This time, though, I have no legal standing. He doesn't work for us anymore.

00:02:38.740 Any lawyers he has owe their allegiance only to him.

00:02:41.700 He's their client, not us.

00:02:44.340 So technically, I'm just a meddler.

00:02:45.820 So it took me a few weeks to meddle to make some gentle suggestions to Tommy's family

00:02:50.280 and threw them to Tommy himself in prison.

00:02:52.480 And nearly a month had passed, but Tommy and his family decided to file an appeal, thank God,

00:02:57.880 and to crowdfund some top lawyers and to let us do the crowdfunding.

00:03:01.760 That's sort of what we're built to do here.

00:03:03.240 So finally, we did it.

00:03:05.580 And finally, the appeal was heard.

00:03:08.960 On Wednesday, at the Royal Courts of Justice in London,

00:03:13.140 now I posted eight videos while I was over there.

00:03:16.600 If you haven't seen them yet, please go to TommyTrial.com.

00:03:20.120 Eight videos on the trial, or the appeal.

00:03:23.180 And in addition, I sat in the courtroom during the appeal.

00:03:26.480 I got there early.

00:03:27.740 In fact, I got there a day early.

00:03:30.060 And let me start with that.

00:03:31.120 I've flown to the U.K. a half dozen times in the past year or so to visit Tommy when he was working for us.

00:03:35.680 And finally, to say goodbye to him when he left to go independent.

00:03:38.380 I never had any trouble at the border at all.

00:03:41.040 In fact, I went there so often, they literally suggested to me that I register as a trusted traveler

00:03:46.080 so I could speed through without any paperwork at Heathrow.

00:03:48.980 So I did that.

00:03:50.500 And by the way, I'm also a registered Nexus traveler in North America,

00:03:54.280 which means I can skip the long lines because I've submitted to a police background check.

00:03:58.680 I've given my fingerprints.

00:03:59.980 I've gone for a police interview.

00:04:01.140 The whole thing.

00:04:01.660 I'm just telling you this to let you know that I've never had any trouble at any border ever.

00:04:07.500 But this time, I was worried.

00:04:08.980 See, in recent months, more and more of Tommy Robinson's friends who went to visit him in the U.K.

00:04:13.780 were detained at the border and permanently banned from entering the U.K.

00:04:18.200 Our former reporter Lauren Southern, her friend here, Brittany Pettibone,

00:04:22.500 and her boyfriend, Martin Sellner, all three of them are being banned.

00:04:26.740 And a few years back, Tommy Robinson's friends, Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch,

00:04:32.580 who's on our show regularly, and the fabulous Pamela Geller, 1.00

00:04:37.080 all five of these friends of Tommy have been banned forever from the United Kingdom

00:04:41.480 just for their political views.

00:04:43.860 There are at least 23,000 jihadis roaming the streets of the United Kingdom, by the way.

00:04:49.060 But apparently five of Tommy Robinson's friends are banned for having conservative views.

00:04:53.580 So I thought, look, I've been a public face of Tommy's crowdfunding for about a month.

00:04:58.200 I'd better go a day early just in case I'm given a hassle, too.

00:05:01.160 And I even retained a U.K. law firm in advance just in case I was stopped at the border.

00:05:04.720 Now, in the end, I was not stopped, but I was ready in case I was.

00:05:08.220 Would you agree with me that it was wise to go a day early,

00:05:11.100 given the five other friends who were stopped, just to be careful?

00:05:13.720 Anyways, the morning of the trial, I went to the court two hours early also.

00:05:18.480 I didn't want to have come all that way and not have a seat in court.

00:05:21.680 Now, on my way over, I got talking to my cabbie, a driver in one of those old-fashioned black taxi cabs.

00:05:26.620 I think every single taxi cab driver in the U.K. loves Tommy, at least the ones who drive those black cabs.

00:05:31.600 Because when I told this cabbie what I was doing in town, he literally refused to take my cab fare.

00:05:36.520 Now, it was only five pounds. It was a short drive.

00:05:38.920 But still, he said it was his contribution to the cause.

00:05:41.960 Can you believe that?

00:05:43.060 People in the U.K. have been following Tommy's case very closely.

00:05:46.220 You know they have been.

00:05:47.060 He's been getting huge support at public rallies.

00:05:49.540 And you can imagine, for every person who shows up at a demo, probably another hundred, follow it online.

00:05:54.480 Anyways, so I got to the courthouse, finally, on Wednesday morning, two hours early.

00:05:59.960 And other people were there, too. Two hours early.

00:06:03.180 Some reporters were wearing free Tommy shirts.

00:06:06.540 Others were dressed in normal civilian clothes.

00:06:10.000 Other people dressed up a bit.

00:06:11.100 Here's one fella who took a picture with me. 0.88

00:06:13.540 He's a Royal Air Force vet, wearing an impressive array of medals, wouldn't you say.

00:06:18.920 There were supporters there from every background.

00:06:21.000 I mean, from all walks of life.

00:06:23.300 It was quite something.

00:06:24.800 The variety of people who support Tommy.

00:06:26.520 Anyway, the pro-Tommy protesters stayed there all day.

00:06:29.720 I didn't see any anti-Tommy protesters, by the way.

00:06:31.680 I saw a lot of cops, including mantid police.

00:06:34.060 I went in early to get a good seat.

00:06:36.760 And wouldn't you know it, by coincidence, in the exact same courtroom where Tommy's appeal was going to be heard,

00:06:42.740 an hour earlier, 9.30 a.m., the new attorney general for the United Kingdom was being sworn in.

00:06:47.660 What were the chances of that?

00:06:49.440 So I listened to that very pleasant ceremony.

00:06:52.100 And afterwards, when everyone was shaking the new attorney general's head,

00:06:54.740 I went right up to the fella.

00:06:55.940 And I shook his hand, too.

00:06:56.960 And I asked him a question.

00:06:58.120 He was right there in the courtroom.

00:06:59.280 I asked him about the news report that a U.S. diplomat, a Trump ambassador, as they call it in this story here,

00:07:11.980 had raised concerns with the U.K. government about Tommy's treatment in this case.

00:07:16.080 So I asked Jeffrey Cox, what did he have to say about that?

00:07:20.280 I was pretty excited to put that question right there in the court.

00:07:22.740 Well, he gave me a good answer.

00:07:23.840 He said he had been too busy preparing for his new job as attorney general,

00:07:28.020 so he didn't read that and he didn't know about it and hadn't been briefed on it.

00:07:31.980 It's probably true, by the way.

00:07:34.020 And it's a good answer even if it wasn't true.

00:07:35.720 I enjoyed the fact that I got to ask the top dog that question mere minutes after he was sworn in,

00:07:41.080 still in the courthouse.

00:07:42.100 That was sort of fun.

00:07:43.480 And then the hearing got started in an exquisitely ornate room, more than a century old.

00:07:49.220 The Royal Courts of Justice is a Victorian era building.

00:07:52.300 Look at that.

00:07:52.540 How nice is that?

00:07:54.400 There were three judges led by this fellow, the Lord Chief Justice of England and Wales,

00:08:00.040 and I got to say he was an excellent judge, very fair-minded, very attentive, very smart.

00:08:05.680 Tommy had four lawyers, actually, two main lawyers, a barrister and a solicitor,

00:08:11.800 and they each had a junior.

00:08:13.760 That's the way to do it in such an important case.

00:08:15.800 It really is the most prominent case in the United Kingdom today.

00:08:19.500 The other side was not represented by a prosecutor, but rather by a delegate.

00:08:23.240 From the Attorney General's office, not styled as a prosecutor, but rather a friend of the court,

00:08:27.880 to provide expert advice to the court on the technicalities of the obscure law of contempt.

00:08:33.660 He was sometimes hostile to Tommy Robinson, but sometimes he granted Tommy's lawyers some points.

00:08:37.900 It was very interesting.

00:08:38.600 Anyways, before the trial got underway, I asked a clerk of the court to check with a judge whether or not I could use my laptop in the court to tweet my comments live.

00:08:48.840 And he said, yes.

00:08:50.300 And so I set up my laptop.

00:08:51.800 I sat right beside Tommy's solicitor, John Carson, and I typed as fast as I could for the appeal.

00:08:56.020 Can you see these tweets on the screen behind me?

00:08:58.820 I did my best to hear everything, even though, unlike Canadian and U.S. courts,

00:09:02.820 we weren't given access to the filed legal briefs submitted by the lawyers.

00:09:06.060 Nonetheless, I think I managed to give the gist of what was going on.

00:09:10.960 And according to my Twitter analytics, I wrote more than 150 tweets from court that were seen 5.7 million times in 12 hours.

00:09:23.060 5.7 million!

00:09:24.400 So many people in the United Kingdom and around the world want to know the facts, and they didn't trust the other media.

00:09:32.880 There were about a half dozen other media in the court, but their hatred for Tommy eclipses their love of the facts and the news.

00:09:41.020 They just plain lied about him.

00:09:44.280 I'm not exaggerating.

00:09:45.360 I'm not saying that being negative about Tommy is a lie.

00:09:47.740 That's an opinion.

00:09:49.420 I'm saying these other journalists just told factual untruths, fake news.

00:09:54.400 Here's a small example, but stay with me here.

00:09:56.660 Here's the political correspondent for the Guardian newspaper.

00:10:00.920 You can also see that he's a bicycling activist, which tells you 90% of what you need to know about him.

00:10:07.420 Anyways, he obviously hates Tommy.

00:10:09.140 He hates Tommy supporters.

00:10:10.340 And so he wrote this.

00:10:12.740 Note for some of those tweeting about Tommy Robinson appeal.

00:10:15.760 It's not being held in secret.

00:10:17.980 There are some temporary reporting restrictions.

00:10:20.320 These are usually there to avoid other trials being jeopardized.

00:10:23.440 He's only appealing against a sentence.

00:10:25.800 He pleaded guilty.

00:10:28.460 All right.

00:10:29.760 But in fact, Tommy's conviction had, in fact, been subject to a publication ban, a total publication ban for days.

00:10:38.120 That's why people would have called it secret, because it was.

00:10:42.040 And there was, in fact, a partial reporting ban on the appeal on Wednesday, too.

00:10:46.040 There still is.

00:10:46.620 So any Tommy fans who said that, they're right.

00:10:51.460 But look at that next part he said there.

00:10:52.940 He said, he's only appealing against a sentence.

00:10:56.840 Well, actually, yeah, that was the original plan.

00:10:58.760 But as Tommy's lawyers learned more about his treatment in court that day in Leeds,

00:11:02.060 they learned that the way he was treated violated so many rules of criminal procedure.

00:11:08.220 The judge who convicted Tommy in Leeds made so many mistakes, not just in the 13-month sentence,

00:11:14.300 but in the rest of it, too, that Tommy's lawyers decided to appeal the conviction itself.

00:11:20.200 And this was obvious and evident within the first 10 minutes of court.

00:11:23.780 I mean, it was probably, what, 80%, 90% of what was discussed in the appeal for hours.

00:11:28.300 But look at this Guardian political editor telling the little people,

00:11:31.980 no, you're wrong. 0.86

00:11:33.220 He's not appealing the conviction itself, dummy.

00:11:36.520 I'm sorry, that is not an opinion.

00:11:38.300 That is a fact.

00:11:40.060 And it's what the appeal centered around.

00:11:42.280 And this Guardian political editor, this snobby, sneering toff, 1.00

00:11:47.820 was just telling people fake news and trying to embarrass them for being idiots. 1.00

00:11:52.220 But he was the idiot. 1.00

00:11:55.320 When all of these working class Tommy supporters pointed out to his highness from the Guardian 1.00

00:11:59.440 that he's wrong, well, he finally, grudgingly admitted it.

00:12:05.040 He wrote,

00:12:06.760 It seems, embarrassingly, I was wrong on the second point.

00:12:11.880 A court listing and earlier Wire story said it was just appeal against sentence,

00:12:15.440 but hearing covered both this and the conviction?

00:12:18.160 Apologies to anyone I've contradicted over this.

00:12:20.440 I don't know why I'm doing a Valley Girl accent for a British snob.

00:12:24.900 Thanks for the apology, mate, but how could you get such a central fact so wrong 0.98

00:12:29.000 and be so confident about it that you attacked those who got it right, called them fools? 0.96

00:12:35.880 But look, this snob apologized. 0.99

00:12:38.540 Leave him be.

00:12:40.540 But of course, he couldn't leave it be.

00:12:42.180 He couldn't just apologize.

00:12:43.200 He had to attack, well, me.

00:12:47.820 Look at this.

00:12:48.460 He said,

00:12:49.360 All credit, I'm not even going to try an accent.

00:12:51.620 He said,

00:12:51.860 All credit for Mr. LeVant for reporting from court.

00:12:54.880 Not enough people do that these days.

00:12:57.280 But I've just looked at the website he works for,

00:12:59.300 and it's all a bit unsavory.

00:13:01.660 Hang on, hang on, hang on.

00:13:03.360 So this Guardian political editor who was writing about the appeal,

00:13:08.320 so he wasn't actually in the courtroom?

00:13:13.220 What, was it hard to find the court?

00:13:16.160 Maybe they moved it?

00:13:18.000 Now, I was coming in from Canada.

00:13:19.340 I came in a day early to make sure I got in.

00:13:21.060 I got to court two hours early in the morning to make sure I got a seat.

00:13:23.640 Was it really that hard to come all the way down from the Guardian's office to the courts?

00:13:28.580 It was a bit hard.

00:13:29.120 But he still wanted to tweet about the appeal as if he had made that tiny effort. 0.99

00:13:34.360 What a clown. 0.96

00:13:35.180 But, hey guys, he finds the rebel a bit unsavory. 0.99

00:13:39.100 So, sure, we have our facts right.

00:13:42.280 He was lying.

00:13:44.480 But we're unsavory if he does say so himself.

00:13:48.360 And we have to take his word for it that he actually read our website

00:13:51.320 because he just exposed himself for writing about an appeal to which he did not attend.

00:13:56.000 Do you see why it was important that I attended the court in person?

00:14:00.260 If the Guardian editor would lie about something so easily checkable like that,

00:14:06.120 imagine what else he lies about.

00:14:09.720 Here's another example from Channel 4, a major British broadcaster.

00:14:13.700 Look at what's happening here.

00:14:14.920 Okay?

00:14:15.480 So this is just some guy, Adrian Shorty, just some guy, random person.

00:14:18.640 He's not with Channel 4.

00:14:19.960 And he writes,

00:14:20.640 Why would Tommy get bail?

00:14:22.720 He's convicted and serving his sentence.

00:14:24.060 And there's no possibility of overturning the conviction as he isn't even appealing that.

00:14:29.140 Again, that's just false in a whole bunch of ways.

00:14:32.860 But he's just some nobody on Twitter.

00:14:34.280 He's probably some kid.

00:14:35.660 He wasn't in court, obviously.

00:14:38.100 But that tweet, right underneath it, let's show it here.

00:14:41.320 From Kieran Brine.

00:14:44.540 Do you see how that's right underneath?

00:14:46.840 He's the chief video producer for Channel 4 News.

00:14:50.720 And he's in charge of fact-checking.

00:14:53.620 So not some random nobody.

00:14:55.740 Not even in the court.

00:14:59.320 That first, the random nobody, excuse me.

00:15:02.180 The random nobody is Adrian Short.

00:15:04.200 He was not even in court.

00:15:05.620 And he said something factually false.

00:15:07.200 And that's good enough research for Channel 4 that liked that false tweet.

00:15:14.480 So do you see what went on here?

00:15:15.600 Some nobody, not in the court, said,

00:15:17.460 Tommy's not even appealing that.

00:15:18.640 And that tweet is liked by the chief video producer of Channel 4 News.

00:15:22.620 The boss of fact-checking.

00:15:25.340 Just to remind you, Channel 4 is the clown show that had Kathy Newman take a run at Jordan Peterson.

00:15:30.760 Again and again, falsely trying to put words in his mouth.

00:15:34.200 It was comedy.

00:15:35.040 Remember this?

00:15:35.680 But you're just saying that's the way it is.

00:15:37.520 Well, it's, I'm not saying anything.

00:15:39.480 It's just an observation.

00:15:40.820 So if you want domination.

00:15:42.220 You're saying women want to dominate. 1.00

00:15:42.960 Is that what you're saying?

00:15:43.600 No.

00:15:43.840 Right, so you're saying you've done your research and women are unhappy dominating men. 1.00

00:15:49.240 I didn't say they were unhappy dominating men.

00:15:51.240 I said it was a bad long-term solution.

00:15:53.400 It was a massacre.

00:15:54.640 If you haven't watched that whole video, you got to.

00:15:56.320 Anyways, so you can see that Channel 4 is still in the fake news business.

00:16:01.700 Pretty embarrassing.

00:16:02.340 But do you see what I mean?

00:16:03.180 Channel 4, The Guardian.

00:16:06.180 That's the mainstream media in the UK.

00:16:08.080 They just make stuff up.

00:16:10.620 They weren't even at court and they were making stuff up about court.

00:16:15.760 Okay, but take a look at this.

00:16:16.960 This is one last thing I want to show you.

00:16:18.400 The BBC, their state broadcaster over there, did a long piece on who are these Tommy Robinson supporters.

00:16:28.380 It was like they were sending someone from National Geographic to the deepest, darkest Amazon to report on an obscure try or something.

00:16:36.120 Who are these Tommy Robinson supporters?

00:16:39.160 Now, I watched the whole thing.

00:16:41.620 They mocked Tommy's people a lot, the usual, like our own CBC, except they really had the class snobbery at the BBC down pat.

00:16:49.840 But there are two clips I want to show you from this BBC mini documentary.

00:16:53.240 The first, this BBC anthropologist goes to a pro-Tommy, pro-Donald Trump march just the other week.

00:17:02.240 And I don't know if you recall, but some anti-Trump leftists had this rather small blimp, they called it.

00:17:08.520 It was really just a big balloon of the size of a bouncy castle of Donald Trump as a baby.

00:17:15.980 I guess that's really some powerful way to speak truth to power or something.

00:17:20.660 You see that?

00:17:21.320 So this balloon, it was a media sensation and the mayor of London, Sadik Khan, personally approved it being held aloft.

00:17:29.740 So some pro-Trump people at this Tommy Robinson rally, they took a little Peppa pig balloon.

00:17:35.340 Peppa Pig is a cartoon in the UK, and they just glued a picture of Sadik Khan to it.

00:17:40.540 A cartoon.

00:17:41.820 Making fun of the mayor in a cartoon.

00:17:44.820 And that's it.

00:17:47.420 Peaceful rally for Tommy, Trafalgar Square, just a kid's balloon with Sadik Khan on it.

00:17:55.980 And the police, on horseback, charged the person holding the balloon and those all around.

00:18:05.340 him, charged on horseback.

00:18:09.160 I know you don't believe me, so watch with your own eyes.

00:18:13.120 A balloon catches the eye of the police.

00:18:15.780 It's clearly a response to the baby blimp flown by the anti-Trump protesters the previous day.

00:18:21.380 But the police decide that Peppa Pig crosses a line.

00:18:24.620 As officers try to remove the offending balloon, bottles are thrown.

00:18:42.560 So you have a balloon with a pig, and the mayor is glued to it.

00:18:52.720 In obvious juxtaposition to the Trump blimp.

00:18:55.940 And the police literally charged on horseback.

00:18:59.620 Why? 0.97

00:19:00.940 Because Sadik Khan is the mayor, or because it's a pig, and that's not halal, or whatever 0.99

00:19:05.900 reason at all. 0.90

00:19:07.900 And it's just okay for the police to charge families.

00:19:10.240 You saw that young boy there, the kid's there.

00:19:12.240 And the BBC finds that really uncontroversial, and maybe even laudatory.

00:19:18.560 And this same BBC anthropologist going deep into the heart of working class Britain, he

00:19:24.220 confronts a woman.

00:19:26.480 Because she's for Tommy, and she asks why. 1.00

00:19:29.720 And why does she think that Muslims rape young girls? 1.00

00:19:36.140 I mean, why on earth would she think that? 1.00

00:19:39.380 That's what he says.

00:19:40.200 So he tries to humiliate her for a full minute.

00:19:43.780 And to the BBC, this video footage of the humiliation was gold. 1.00

00:19:50.240 I've heard that Muslims believe that they can have sex with children. 1.00

00:19:55.940 And do you believe that? 1.00

00:19:57.020 I do believe that. 0.99

00:19:58.000 I believe that in their country, they're allowed to have sex with children. 0.81

00:20:05.160 What if I told you that wasn't true? 0.71

00:20:06.900 Because it isn't true.

00:20:08.460 I mean, I've been to many Muslim countries.

00:20:10.040 I've been all over the Middle East and North Africa.

00:20:11.660 It's definitely not true.

00:20:13.060 Why are we being shown in this country that it is true, then?

00:20:18.640 Why are we being told and shown the things?

00:20:20.540 I don't know, but who are you being told this one?

00:20:22.280 I believe what I read unless it's proven to be not true.

00:20:32.280 I'm just wondering where you get this idea from.

00:20:36.700 From what people, for instance, this rally, last month, we were told what Sharia law is.

00:20:46.640 I'm from the government, I'm from the media, I'm from the government media, and I'm here to tell you what to think.

00:20:52.840 Well, the thing is, it is happening every single day in the United Kingdom.

00:20:58.980 Forget about overseas, where it's common.

00:21:01.860 Forget about in the Koran, where historically, Muhammad took a six-year-old girl, Aisha, as his bride, 0.62

00:21:08.040 and consummated that marriage when she was nine.

00:21:10.560 Forget about different times and different places. 1.00

00:21:12.900 In the United Kingdom, now, tens of thousands of white British girls are being raped by Muslim rape gangs. 0.99

00:21:23.060 1,400 in the small city of Rotherham alone. 0.98

00:21:29.080 It's what Tommy was arrested for reporting about in Canterbury last year.

00:21:32.760 It's what Tommy was arrested for reporting about in Leeds this year.

00:21:36.380 It's happening all around the United Kingdom, all the time.

00:21:40.100 There have been countless convictions and countless more charges to come.

00:21:44.560 And the BBC is saying, no, no, no, no, no, you're just wrong.

00:21:48.560 It just doesn't happen. Take it from me.

00:21:51.020 I would know I'm with the BBC. Take it from me.

00:21:55.480 I bet he got a raise for humiliating her that way. 0.99

00:21:59.420 My friends, do you see why I went to London last week?

00:22:02.560 You just can't trust a word the mainstream media says.

00:22:08.780 It's not here in Canada and not in the UK.

00:22:12.580 Stay with us for more.

00:22:30.020 Welcome back.

00:22:31.040 Well, you know that there has been a shantytown, an illegal campout in Burnaby for months protesting against the expansion of Kinder Morgan's Trans Mountain Pipeline.

00:22:45.300 It's really an echo of the Occupy Wall Street squalor that we've seen in New York, of course, Occupy Wall Street.

00:22:53.880 But we've seen it across Canada, Occupy Toronto and other places.

00:22:57.800 Illegal, unhygienic, rampant with drug crime and even sex crimes.

00:23:03.640 And of course, all of it is in violation of municipal bylaws.

00:23:06.980 You simply can't build structures or even camp out in your camper as a protest.

00:23:13.060 You just can't do that.

00:23:14.980 It's against the bylaws.

00:23:17.160 It's not just these trivial or minor or petty offenses, though.

00:23:21.940 Many people in these protests physically attack police.

00:23:25.840 And when they're arrested, police have been instructed, we're told, to lay the most minor charges available possible.

00:23:32.100 And of course, courts have done similar things, giving just tiny slaps on the wrist to even members of parliament who break in restraining orders and protest right on Kinder Morgan's own property.

00:23:45.440 Well, I tell you all this because finally, the city of Burnaby has issued a demand to one protest squalid tent city, laughably called Camp Cloud.

00:23:57.380 I have in my hand a copy of the notice of eviction and noncompliance with bylaws.

00:24:04.160 It only took him, what, half a year to get around it.

00:24:07.340 Notice all structures at Camp Cloud must be removed immediately, including buildings, tents, enclosures and tarps.

00:24:12.980 Notice trailers and vehicles must be removed immediately or will be towed.

00:24:17.360 Notice open fires, like they have open fires, must be extinguished immediately.

00:24:21.660 Notice the shower must be removed.

00:24:23.940 Please, of all the things to keep, let them keep their shower.

00:24:27.380 Notice dogs present at the site must be leashed.

00:24:30.840 If you do not comply with this notice within 72 hours, the city of Burnaby will take action to enforce compliance, including removing the camp.

00:24:40.080 Well, I saw that and I said, baloney.

00:24:42.440 I don't believe that because I happen to know the mayor of Burnaby is an anti-pipeline extremist himself

00:24:47.620 who's wasted countless funds of the city with long shot suits against the pipeline.

00:24:52.160 And he said he'd really a protester himself.

00:24:54.400 So I thought, let's go and send a team, an investigative team, to see what really happens when this eviction notice expires.

00:25:02.820 Does the city actually do anything?

00:25:04.840 You see, I don't trust protesters.

00:25:06.680 I don't trust the mayor of Burnaby.

00:25:08.400 But I don't trust the media either because they always cover for the environmental activists.

00:25:14.160 Because the media themselves are environmental activists.

00:25:18.240 The only reporter in the country I trust to give us the straight goods on what happened with this eviction notice

00:25:24.100 is our own Alberta Bureau Chief, Sheila Gunn-Reed, who lives and breathes oil and gas and freedom and the rule of law. 0.74

00:25:31.880 And she went down there in her pickup truck with a cameraman and joining us now via Skype from the highway

00:25:36.500 is our friend Sheila in her gorgeous pickup.

00:25:39.420 Great to see you again, Sheila.

00:25:41.200 Hey, Ezra.

00:25:41.900 Thanks for having me.

00:25:43.020 So you're actually making your way back to your home from Burnaby.

00:25:47.740 You're driving back right now and you just pulled over to do this Skype interview.

00:25:50.460 Thanks very much for taking the time.

00:25:53.160 Of course.

00:25:53.740 Of course.

00:25:54.540 You know, it's a beautiful drive and fossil fuels made it possible.

00:25:58.200 You know, I'm glad you went and we flew in a cameraman.

00:26:02.580 He is based in Toronto, so of course it would be too long a drive, but I appreciate you doing the drive.

00:26:07.540 And we also had a security guard for you because these shanty towns are squalid 1.00

00:26:12.780 and many of the people who were paid to protest in them, I'm not being insulting here, I'm just observing.

00:26:19.100 Many of them are street people, homeless people who were paid 50, 100 bucks a day just to be cannon fodder for the left. 0.99

00:26:26.280 A lot of them are mentally ill. 0.97

00:26:27.500 I've encountered them in Toronto and Vancouver. 1.00

00:26:30.120 Yep.

00:26:30.820 Is that how you would describe a lot of the cannon fodder at this camp cloud?

00:26:35.960 Yeah, you know, I would describe it exactly that way.

00:26:39.920 I would say it's a 50-50 mix.

00:26:42.180 And by 50-50, I mean probably three and three of, you know, busy body university students

00:26:49.800 trying to justify their joblessness by saying that they're trying to save the world.

00:26:55.140 And the other three or four people that are down there are people who realize that you

00:26:59.800 can't smoke drugs at the homeless shelter.

00:27:01.880 So they've moved into this, I mean, it's not even a tent city.

00:27:07.440 It is a mini slum.

00:27:10.260 Like we would call it a slum if you came across this in India. 1.00

00:27:14.040 But let's put it up while we're talking.

00:27:16.580 So if you listen to the media, the CBC, the Vancouver Sun, whatever, they make it sound like this is an enormous protest.

00:27:26.420 But if I hear you right, you said there's just six people there.

00:27:29.800 I guess that's when the cameras aren't there.

00:27:31.800 There's six sort of permanent squatters.

00:27:34.200 Is that right?

00:27:34.720 Yeah, you know, and I actually went down the night before the eviction notice was supposed to happen

00:27:41.500 because I wanted to see this place in its natural condition, I guess, before it puts on a big front for the media.

00:27:50.500 So, you know, I went down there, put a dash cam on my truck, drove past the protest site.

00:27:54.800 It was empty.

00:27:56.660 There were, you know, two, maybe three cars sort of parked alongside of it because, of course, the protesters drive cars.

00:28:03.240 And I saw, you know, I drove past three or four times.

00:28:06.960 I saw upwards of three people just sort of milling about the night before.

00:28:12.100 Then on the day of the eviction, I mean, there was probably 20 or 30 people that showed up.

00:28:17.680 And the whole road was lined with cars of protesters who, again, drive their cars to an anti-oil protest.

00:28:24.220 And then we decided to come back again, you know, 12 or 13 hours later.

00:28:29.420 And guess what?

00:28:30.140 The camp is basically empty.

00:28:31.860 It's just, you know, maybe a half a dozen holdouts that are there just sort of staking their claim to the ditch.

00:28:39.380 It's not even a real thing. 0.84

00:28:40.920 It's so pathetic, actually, that three university students and three or four homeless people can hold up the entire economy. 0.99

00:28:50.000 Yeah, let's show it again because it's so gross. 0.98

00:28:53.240 And I want you to set the scene a bit.

00:28:54.940 This is some footage of the shantytown, the slum.

00:28:59.460 But there's some, put it back up.

00:29:00.760 So that's the Kinder Morgan site.

00:29:03.080 It says private property.

00:29:03.940 But I see, I see a tent.

00:29:07.700 I see other tents and lean-tos.

00:29:11.220 But there's some actual wooden structures there.

00:29:14.220 How close is this to private citizens, to moms and kids and girls and boys going to school?

00:29:21.900 Like, this looks really gross.

00:29:24.060 And this reminds me, like, this shot here especially, it looks, who knows what's going on inside there.

00:29:33.820 There's a sign that says, Neighbors Welcome.

00:29:36.160 Could you imagine being parents of a kid and you have all these hobos there? 1.00

00:29:40.720 How close is it to families?

00:29:43.140 Oh, it's so close.

00:29:45.280 It is so close.

00:29:46.040 It's probably 150 meters to the corner where you turn into the Forest Grove neighborhood.

00:29:53.220 And when we were down there, we actually went into Forest Grove.

00:29:56.140 I drove through there.

00:29:56.980 It's a beautiful neighborhood.

00:29:59.180 Those houses have been there.

00:30:01.360 They were built up sort of around the pipeline and around the tank farm.

00:30:06.340 Those people bought those houses knowing that there's a tank farm right behind them. 1.00

00:30:10.000 They don't seem to mind.

00:30:11.020 It's beautiful.

00:30:12.500 And really, none of the protesters are locals to the neighborhood.

00:30:16.860 They're sort of, they're really just an infestation.

00:30:21.860 But they are, the place where they're camped, if you sort of go as the crow flies across the field behind them,

00:30:28.920 there's a kid's park there.

00:30:31.460 And a lot of the community is concerned about the open drug use that's happening at the site.

00:30:38.240 If you go on their Facebook page, they post videos of them doing drugs right to their Facebook page.

00:30:44.700 I was going to say, I mean, I remember when I went to Occupy Toronto, that was the first time I encountered this professional protest culture.

00:30:52.560 And then the cannon fodder side.

00:30:54.400 And what I mean by that is you've got the Greenpeace foreign funded activists at the top.

00:30:59.240 They're often lawyers or very educated, professional, high income activists, very savvy and sophisticated.

00:31:09.000 They're never the ones who do the stunts.

00:31:12.480 They're not the ones who break in with a Greenpeace stunt.

00:31:16.260 They're not the ones who were, you know, sleeping overnight in these gross shelters.

00:31:20.800 Those are the little people, the lower people, often mentally disturbed. 1.00

00:31:26.720 And I'm not saying that again as an insult.

00:31:28.300 I've just observed this with my own eyes.

00:31:30.880 Petty criminals, repeat criminals, homeless people, runaways.

00:31:34.600 In Toronto, I saw a lot of drug use and there were credible reports of rapes.

00:31:40.440 Did you see any evidence of drug use or rapes there at, quote, Camp Cloud?

00:31:44.940 I don't even want to call it Camp Cloud.

00:31:46.620 I've never seen a cloud look so gross in my life.

00:31:49.620 This protest slum, did you see any evidence of drug use, drug paraphernalia or other crimes of that sort?

00:32:00.060 You know, I did, you know, like you can smell the open drug use happening everywhere.

00:32:05.720 Now, I didn't see any needles and they also, but they're very strangely protective of their side of the concrete barriers that the city has erected to keep them safe from being run over as they sleep in the ditch.

00:32:21.120 I got accosted by one of the protesters who, you know, I'm not being rude, but he did look homeless, for lack of a better term.

00:32:31.140 He came running down the hill and accosted me because I had crossed the concrete barriers onto his, you know, sacred encampment.

00:32:39.040 And it's so funny that after the, like, now they're concerned with trespassing.

00:32:45.160 They accused me of trespassing while they're sleeping in the ditch around the corner from this beautiful community.

00:32:51.000 And I asked them, did you ask anybody around the corner for permission before you started sleeping in their ditch?

00:32:57.280 And the man just sort of walked away because he knew, you know, what I was asking him.

00:33:01.860 There's no answer for it.

00:33:02.800 You know, that reminds me of Occupy Toronto, Occupy Wall Street.

00:33:05.280 They were occupying the public park, but they wouldn't let you occupy it.

00:33:09.560 There was one thing you told me about this by email.

00:33:13.000 And I mentioned this at the beginning.

00:33:14.580 The reason why we were so happy for you to go with our cameraman and our security guard is because I knew we can't trust the journal.

00:33:22.560 I knew that this eviction would not actually happen.

00:33:25.380 But more than that, I knew the media would put their own gloss on it.

00:33:30.360 And you told me by email, and I think we have a clip of it, of a journalist for Aboriginal People TV Network.

00:33:37.880 And I sort of like that network.

00:33:39.180 I think it's a young, scrappy, or not young.

00:33:41.840 It's a scrappy little outfit.

00:33:43.480 And I have no beef with it.

00:33:45.880 I ideologically disagree with some of their ideas, but so what?

00:33:49.000 But one of the so-called journalists for APTN saw you, recognized you, and ran to these hippies to say,

00:33:59.200 That's Sheila Gunn-Reed.

00:34:00.880 I'm the rebel.

00:34:01.620 Oh, so he was in collusion with them against you.

00:34:05.840 And it reminded me of the day where you were attacked by other left-wing hippies, and the media were in collusion also.

00:34:12.560 I'm glad we had a security guard with you.

00:34:14.200 Let's play that clip, and then I'd like your comments on it.

00:34:16.680 So here's the clip.

00:34:17.480 Sure.

00:34:18.100 And I'm glad our cameraman kept the camera rolling.

00:34:20.460 Here, let's take a look.

00:34:23.620 Sure, I'm Sheila.

00:34:24.860 Sheila?

00:34:26.020 Gunn.

00:34:26.620 Gunn, okay.

00:34:27.760 And who are you with?

00:34:28.560 I'm with the rebel.

00:34:29.220 Oh, okay.

00:34:30.080 And why did you come here to cover Camp Cloud?

00:34:34.800 Another media interviewing another media?

00:34:37.400 I mean, what's newsworthy to you and to the rebel about the camp?

00:34:42.420 Well, more specifically, I guess, the fact that this encampment is holding up nearly an $8 billion project.

00:34:48.900 I mean, I think it's pretty evident that, you know, the entire Kinder Morgan project is in the news.

00:34:58.160 Of course, this whole thing is newsworthy, wouldn't you say?

00:35:01.080 It is, yeah, yeah.

00:35:02.020 I'm just wondering, like, do you, have you spoken with any of the indigenous people involved with the...

00:35:07.880 We're just on our way at the moment.

00:35:09.520 Okay.

00:35:10.080 Yeah.

00:35:10.220 All right.

00:35:10.580 Thank you.

00:35:11.060 Thanks.

00:35:13.620 Now, you were very friendly.

00:35:14.940 They're friendlier than I would have been.

00:35:16.180 I would have said, you can watch my reports.

00:35:17.800 But so that was a fairly polite interaction.

00:35:20.660 But tell me what happened thereafter.

00:35:22.620 You say he scurried over to them and said, don't talk to you.

00:35:25.200 Tell me what happened next.

00:35:26.980 Okay.

00:35:27.240 So I guess he, as we were coming up the hill, we were met by a camper who didn't want us crossing onto his side of the barrier.

00:35:38.440 And so this reporter from APTN comes barreling down the hill at me.

00:35:44.320 The way he was barreling at me, I thought he was a protester.

00:35:48.060 And he stuck his camera in my face, his cell phone camera, because that's what they do.

00:35:53.140 And, you know, when I realized he was another reporter, I sort of laughed.

00:35:56.440 You can hear it on the video because, like, what do you mean this isn't newsworthy to me?

00:36:00.940 Why don't you think I should be here?

00:36:02.320 I was sort of, I was astounded that he was sort of impugning my motives and interrogating me about why I would bother coming.

00:36:11.640 But what he did next was really the worst part.

00:36:14.920 He scurried up the hill in front of us and told all the protesters who we were and where we were from.

00:36:23.200 So by the time I was getting up the hill, I was already being berated and yelled at by these protesters.

00:36:31.200 And I thought, you know, this is so ridiculous because we know what the people at Camp Cloud do to people they ideologically oppose. 0.79

00:36:39.860 They beat up cops. 0.90

00:36:41.380 They send cops to the hospital.

00:36:43.300 200 people have been arrested there.

00:36:45.400 And they threatened the next Oka crisis. 0.65

00:36:49.340 So, I mean, we all remember Oka.

00:36:50.940 A cop died there.

00:36:52.280 That's the kind of people I was walking up the hill to meet.

00:36:55.900 And I didn't need to have them agitated by someone from APTN.

00:36:59.280 Yeah. Now, just give us a word on security.

00:37:02.380 We had a security guard there.

00:37:03.740 Tell me, how was he?

00:37:05.340 Did he seem, were you pleased with it?

00:37:07.880 Because we have to crowdfund that.

00:37:09.540 Whenever we send you into an event like this or any of other reporters, we have to crowdfund security.

00:37:15.880 No other media has to.

00:37:17.580 The Vancouver Sun doesn't have to.

00:37:19.320 The CBC doesn't have to because they are in league with the protesters.

00:37:23.840 In a way, I admire the honesty of that APTN thug reporter protester because he knows you're the only real journalist asking questions.

00:37:34.420 Oh, there's nothing to see here.

00:37:35.840 Oh, that's not newsworthy.

00:37:36.940 He knows, actually. 1.00

00:37:37.900 He's a bully. 1.00

00:37:38.560 He's a thug. 1.00

00:37:39.840 He tried to intimidate you. 0.99

00:37:41.100 But in a way, he's honest.

00:37:43.560 And then he knows you will be the only person reporting accurately.

00:37:46.040 And the protesters there, they don't have to beat up the Vancouver Sun.

00:37:50.140 They don't have to punch the CBC because that's their propaganda arm.

00:37:53.440 You're the only real reporter who ever visited there.

00:37:55.360 That's my view.

00:37:56.060 How was the security guard?

00:37:57.200 Did he stay close to you?

00:37:59.400 Our security guard was phenomenal.

00:38:02.320 He was great.

00:38:03.120 There's no way I would have set foot anywhere near that protest encampment without him.

00:38:09.080 There were a couple times where the protesters got a little handsy with my cameraman.

00:38:13.260 He was right there to disperse it, to break it up.

00:38:17.980 Nobody touched me at all.

00:38:20.920 I did get a lot of yelling, but whatever.

00:38:23.840 It wouldn't be me if I didn't get yelled at by left-wingers.

00:38:27.600 But, you know, he kept us safe from beginning to end, professional, and we needed him every step of the way yesterday.

00:38:35.200 Well, I'm glad he was there.

00:38:36.780 I'm glad you are safe.

00:38:39.120 You show a lot of courage, Sheila, in a lot of ways.

00:38:43.840 Sometimes it's against bureaucratic bullies, like when the United Nations kicked you out of their climate change conference,

00:38:50.260 when Rachel Notley sent a cop to keep you out of the legislature.

00:38:54.660 This was a physical risk to you.

00:38:56.660 I'm grateful to you that you took the risk.

00:38:58.540 We tried to mitigate it with the security guard, and it sounds like that worked.

00:39:01.400 I think this is important journalism.

00:39:03.620 You did a bunch of videos.

00:39:04.640 We're putting them all up on a special website, right?

00:39:07.640 RebelBurnaby.com?

00:39:09.720 Yes.

00:39:10.460 You know, when I was there, I was trying to make sure that I was fulfilling our journalistic mission

00:39:16.000 and telling the other side of the story.

00:39:17.840 As I walked through that encampment, there was so much that I thought the rest of the mainstream media

00:39:23.740 and the rest of the media in general are not telling us about what's happening at Camp Cloud,

00:39:30.840 and I think that's why the APTN reporter didn't want me there.

00:39:33.960 So I did a ton of videos.

00:39:35.320 Every time something sort of piqued my interest or struck me as hypocrisy, we stopped.

00:39:41.580 We shot a quick video, and you can see that all at RebelBurnaby.com.

00:39:45.120 Well, that's great, and if folks want to help chip in, you drove your way down there.

00:39:49.320 Obviously, we'll cover your gas in the hotel.

00:39:51.360 Efron, our cameraman, flew out there, and of course, we paid for the security guard.

00:39:55.140 So there were a few thousand bucks we spent getting these stories,

00:39:58.160 but I really believe, Sheila, that your reports, and they're all at RebelBurnaby.com,

00:40:02.940 I really believe that they're worth every penny.

00:40:06.220 And if our viewers think so, I'd like to encourage them to go to RebelBurnaby.com

00:40:10.160 and help chip in for those expenses.

00:40:12.100 Great work as always, my friend.

00:40:13.400 Thanks, boss.

00:40:15.620 All right, there you have it.

00:40:16.480 Sheila Gunn-Reed, doing journalism no one else in the country has done.

00:40:21.680 Would you agree with me on that?

00:40:23.660 And would you agree with me that it's a pitiful sign of the times

00:40:26.080 that we literally have to hire a strong, smart security guard

00:40:30.280 to keep Sheila and our cameramen safe?

00:40:32.540 Would you agree that it's a troubling sign of the times,

00:40:35.080 but it's something we've got to do?

00:40:36.860 If you want to help us, please go to RebelBurnaby.com.

00:40:39.280 All right, stay with us.

00:40:40.140 More ahead on The Rebel.

00:40:43.400 Welcome back.

00:40:53.360 Well, I follow Donald Trump's tweets, as more than 50 million people do.

00:40:58.780 He's really the most interesting user of that platform,

00:41:01.920 and he uses it to say things in 280 characters

00:41:05.360 that other presidents would either not say

00:41:07.700 or bury within a one-hour speech written in bland diplomat speak.

00:41:12.420 Well, I've never seen a tweet like this one written in all capital letters.

00:41:18.360 You would say it's the equivalent of shouting, I suppose.

00:41:22.000 Let's put it on the screen and take a look.

00:41:23.400 This is from Donald Trump, the president.

00:41:24.940 He said to Iranian President Rouhani,

00:41:29.060 Never, ever threaten the United States again,

00:41:33.060 or you will suffer consequences,

00:41:35.460 the likes of which few throughout history have ever suffered before.

00:41:41.280 We are no longer a country that will stand for your demented words of violence and death.

00:41:47.620 Be cautious.

00:41:48.480 I have never seen anything like that before.

00:41:52.780 But then again, with Donald Trump, you could say that almost every day.

00:41:57.020 Joining us now via Skype is our friend Joel Pollack,

00:41:59.560 senior editor-at-large at Breitbart.com,

00:42:02.440 and a very serious Trump watcher.

00:42:05.880 Good to see you, Joel.

00:42:06.760 What do you make of this?

00:42:07.820 What do you make?

00:42:08.520 I have a theory, but I'll put it to you after I hear your theory.

00:42:12.600 What do you make of this tweet?

00:42:14.300 Well, the tweet operates on three levels.

00:42:17.200 The first is the literal level where the tweet is a threat.

00:42:21.400 Donald Trump is basically saying to Iran,

00:42:23.920 You can't get away with calling us the great Satan anymore.

00:42:27.120 You can't get away with death to America.

00:42:29.480 We are going to start taking that seriously.

00:42:31.560 We're not going to treat it as a normal part of your internal political process.

00:42:36.020 If you threaten us, we may respond.

00:42:38.120 So that's going to put the regime on notice.

00:42:41.020 There are two other levels on which this is operating.

00:42:43.720 The second of the three is that this is equivalent, you could say,

00:42:51.040 to Donald Trump attacking Kim Jong-un on Twitter,

00:42:55.140 which eventually got the two of them in a room to hash out the beginnings

00:43:01.680 of what may be a deal to denuclearize the Korean peninsula.

00:43:05.860 It may be that Trump, who has long indicated that his preference is for a new deal with Iran,

00:43:11.920 It may be that he's trying to push the regime into a framework within which both sides can come together somehow

00:43:21.620 and improve dramatically on the agreement that the United States withdrew from a few weeks ago.

00:43:29.500 And the third level on which this works is a signal to Russia that the United States is getting serious about the Iranian threat 0.98

00:43:38.860 and that Russia would be better off not aligning too closely with Iran.

00:43:43.460 Remember that amidst all of the noise and chaos around Trump's summit meeting with Putin in Helsinki,

00:43:50.800 there were a few observers, primarily at Breitbart and one or two other places,

00:43:55.600 who suggested that what Trump was trying to do was a reverse or inverse Richard Nixon.

00:44:02.380 Nixon helped contain the Soviet Union by becoming closer with China.

00:44:07.880 Trump may contain China by becoming closer with Russia.

00:44:11.500 And Trump may also draw Putin away from Iran.

00:44:15.340 So by embracing the Russian bear, Trump may be increasing his leverage on China and Iran.

00:44:22.880 So this is a signal to Russia that Trump is serious about confronting Iran 0.93

00:44:26.700 and has states his personal credibility on being able to do so

00:44:30.200 and that Putin could cooperate by, for example, voting against Iran at the United Nations

00:44:37.200 or not defending Iranian troops if they get to parts of Syria that the United States doesn't want them in

00:44:44.100 or by not building new nuclear reactors in Iran or something like that.

00:44:48.100 But Trump wants to start to shake that relationship up a little bit and make Iran more isolated.

00:44:55.360 You know, that's a good point.

00:44:56.400 And I noticed you made that reverse Nixon comment on Twitter.

00:44:59.740 I thought that was very interesting.

00:45:00.980 I wish, Joel, that there had been a little bit more reporting about the substance of the Trump-Putin meeting

00:45:08.900 because there's a lot of serious issues.

00:45:10.880 The media was in an absolute mayhem about, oh, this proves he's in collusion.

00:45:16.080 He's a Soviet agent. 0.64

00:45:18.460 I mean, we saw the craziest things.

00:45:20.380 We saw, I think it was John Brennan, former CIA director, saying this is treason.

00:45:24.320 There was a mania that I haven't seen in the mainstream media in at least a week since the last mania

00:45:31.540 and the mania before that, which is too bad because I would have liked to learn more from the media

00:45:37.100 about what Trump and Putin actually talked about when the media craziness was done.

00:45:41.520 They talked about Israel.

00:45:42.500 They talked about Iran, I'm sure.

00:45:44.820 I would like to know what those two men talked about.

00:45:47.980 Trump on Twitter somewhat defensively the other day was saying,

00:45:50.980 I didn't give anything away, and I don't know if you have to be this obvious

00:45:56.400 and explain to journalists who were saying, why didn't Trump slap Putin right there?

00:46:01.600 Well, because he's trying to be diplomatic, which is not natural for Trump, I think.

00:46:06.280 Or maybe it is.

00:46:06.940 He's trying to get a deal.

00:46:08.100 It's the same reason he was polite to Kim Jong-un, who's a butcher. 0.92

00:46:11.320 Well, he's trying to get a deal.

00:46:13.240 I don't know.

00:46:13.820 I just think that there's a lot of poor coverage of Trump's diplomacy

00:46:18.560 because the media don't want him to actually succeed at it.

00:46:22.480 That's my theory, Joel.

00:46:23.520 Right.

00:46:23.840 So there's that.

00:46:24.620 They don't want to see him as a successful president.

00:46:28.260 The other issue is that the media are completely laser-focused on domestic politics in the United

00:46:33.960 States, the American media.

00:46:35.320 They only asked about Robert Mueller and interference in the 2016 election.

00:46:40.780 There was one very small question about Crimea, but there was not one American journalist

00:46:45.080 who asked about Syria, who asked about Iran, who asked about North Korea, who asked about

00:46:49.400 anything in Europe, aside from the Crimea question, which was very minor.

00:46:54.920 The United States media is entirely focused on domestic politics.

00:47:00.160 By the way, that's true not just when the president goes abroad.

00:47:03.960 That's true at home.

00:47:05.920 Marco Rubio, the senator from Florida, played a huge role in tanking the nomination of a senior

00:47:13.420 judge on the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, which was a very, very significant political

00:47:19.400 development.

00:47:20.380 And he was on several Sunday shows, but the hosts didn't ask him about that.

00:47:24.460 Normally, that would have been major headline news.

00:47:27.080 No, they asked him about Helsinki.

00:47:28.800 They asked him about Putin.

00:47:29.800 They asked him about Russia.

00:47:30.720 So the media are convinced that there's something in this Trump-Putin relationship that will remove

00:47:39.300 Trump from office.

00:47:40.200 It's a bizarre tinfoil hat conspiracy theory, but they're so determined to get rid of him

00:47:46.320 that they have seized on it.

00:47:47.540 And the reason they think that this Helsinki summit was bad and therefore good for them

00:47:54.140 because they want to get Trump out of office is for them, it's the culmination of the supposed

00:47:58.940 collusion for which there's no evidence, by the way.

00:48:01.160 But for them, it's the ultimate payoff for Putin to have Trump in the room with him.

00:48:06.660 And now Trump has said, well, I'm going to invite him to Washington.

00:48:08.840 So now they're all tearing their hair out about that, forgetting, of course, that Ronald

00:48:12.440 Reagan hosted Mikhail Gorbachev, a much more dangerous enemy at the time, in 1987 in Washington.

00:48:19.540 So the media have completely lost their minds because they're totally focused on the domestic

00:48:23.740 politics of the United States.

00:48:24.960 They want the Democrats to win the midterm elections.

00:48:26.820 They want Trump to be impeached.

00:48:27.980 They want Trump to go away or have to resign or whatever.

00:48:30.540 And the key to doing that, they believe, is pressing on the idea that there's something

00:48:34.720 nefarious that Trump did or that Putin has on Trump.

00:48:37.860 And so they are not reporting what happened in Helsinki because they're just not interested.

00:48:42.360 They're not even reporting on what's happening in the United States right now.

00:48:46.780 The leadership of the American media is all in for getting rid of Donald Trump.

00:48:50.720 And that is the theme they report about.

00:48:52.320 Yeah.

00:48:52.560 I think some of them have bought into the conspiracy theory totally.

00:48:56.900 I think others haven't, but they just want to be part of the team.

00:49:02.400 They know that's an effective distractor, irritant.

00:49:05.880 They put enough pressure on things, the narrative sets.

00:49:09.740 I don't know.

00:49:10.460 I think some of the media believe he's a KGB spy, FSB spy.

00:49:14.700 Some of them don't, but they just love playing along with it.

00:49:18.200 I noticed a few new opinion polls.

00:49:20.760 A Wall Street Journal opinion poll shows his approval is up.

00:49:23.320 I saw another poll that asked Americans about their priorities.

00:49:27.480 Russia wasn't even in the top 10.

00:49:29.160 Like, that's just a nutty, nutty, inside-the-beltway media echo chamber thing.

00:49:36.000 Do you think it's going to leave a mark?

00:49:39.920 We're at almost 600 days of media mania on Russia collusion.

00:49:45.380 The midterm elections are coming up in November.

00:49:47.540 Do you think it's going to have an impact, or do you think it's going to cement Trump's narrative

00:49:53.640 that you just can't trust the mainstream media?

00:49:57.220 Well, it's definitely already cemented that narrative for Trump in the minds of his supporters.

00:50:02.880 I don't think that the Russia narrative helps Democrats at all.

00:50:06.000 It probably hurts them because it encourages their far left wing to dream about impeachment, 0.60

00:50:11.320 and that turns the voters off.

00:50:13.980 That doesn't mean Trump's going to have an easy time in the midterms.

00:50:17.840 I think Republicans are in trouble for a variety of reasons, one of which is their failure to pass

00:50:22.740 meaningful health care reform, and Democrats are going to remind them of that.

00:50:27.920 There's also a lot of energy on the left.

00:50:29.860 Even though some of it's crazed, a lot of it is there, and that could motivate Democrats

00:50:35.040 to go to the polls, even if a lot of people don't like what Democrats are saying, there

00:50:40.700 could be enough that show up because they think they're going to impeach Trump that it

00:50:44.800 could tip the balance.

00:50:45.700 Now, with all of that, we saw in California, which is the key area for the midterm elections,

00:50:51.500 because there are seven districts in California Democrats think they can win because Hillary

00:50:55.620 Clinton won those districts, but they're currently represented in Congress by Republicans.

00:50:59.640 In six out of the seven, there were more Republican voters than Democratic voters in the primary

00:51:05.720 on June 5th.

00:51:07.140 So that's good for Republicans, but Democrats think they can boost their numbers, and if

00:51:12.600 they can bring more voters to the polls in those seven districts, they will win them.

00:51:17.120 That puts them much closer to the total of 22 or 23 they're going to need to win a majority

00:51:21.800 in the House.

00:51:22.480 If they do that, they can impeach the president.

00:51:23.980 So you're going to see a tough trench warfare kind of political fight in California, which

00:51:31.060 is great for me because I'm the editor of Breitbart, California, so stay tuned.

00:51:35.560 Great for you, and I look forward to your coverage of it.

00:51:39.340 Terrifying for the nation and for the world.

00:51:41.700 Joel, it's great to see you again.

00:51:42.640 Thanks for taking the time with us.

00:51:44.360 Thank you.

00:51:44.860 All right.

00:51:45.300 There you have it.

00:51:45.980 Our friend Joel Pollack, senior editor-at-large at Breitbart News.

00:51:50.320 Stay with us.

00:51:50.960 More Head of the Rebel.

00:51:53.980 Hey, welcome back.

00:52:03.800 On my videos, reporting on Tommy Robinson's appeal at the Royal Courts of Justice in London,

00:52:07.680 Don writes,

00:52:09.020 Excellent reports, Ezra.

00:52:10.280 It is heartening to know that there is reason for hope, not only for our hero Tommy, Tommy,

00:52:14.020 Tommy Robinson, but by extension for the cause of freedom for Britain and the rest of the

00:52:19.660 free world, if some important precedents are eventually set as a result of the court's

00:52:23.960 decision.

00:52:25.740 Well, that's the thing.

00:52:27.020 I mean, I got to know Tommy in a friendly way when he worked for us for a year.

00:52:30.320 I actually had the pleasure of meeting his family, too.

00:52:32.600 They're very nice.

00:52:33.460 He doesn't even deserve them.

00:52:34.520 They're amazing.

00:52:35.140 They're great.

00:52:35.480 His wife and kids, they're so cute.

00:52:37.220 I think they remind me of those Renaissance paintings of little cherubs, little seraphs, little angels.

00:52:46.440 That's important that Tommy get out of prison for himself and for his wife and his kids.

00:52:50.880 But that's not really why we got involved.

00:52:54.160 We got involved because of the cause.

00:52:56.520 Because Tommy is the last lion in the United Kingdom, the last courageous citizen journalist

00:53:02.460 who is not like that BBC reporter I showed you or the Channel 4 reporter I showed you

00:53:08.700 or the Guardian reporter I showed you who sneer and mock and lie.

00:53:14.420 And I have to say, if Tommy were locked up, 13 months to kill a guy in solitary if the 0.99

00:53:19.720 Muslim gangs don't kill him first. 1.00

00:53:21.440 That's why we helped in our small way with crowdfunding. 0.77

00:53:23.640 And thousands of Rebel viewers supported Tommy's crowdfunding.

00:53:29.140 So thank you on his behalf.

00:53:31.480 Russ writes, very professional reporting, Ezra, and you did a sterling job of motivating

00:53:35.700 support from the people.

00:53:37.040 Top guy and well done for everything you've done for Tommy.

00:53:40.160 Well, Russ, thanks very much.

00:53:43.420 I was initially a little reluctant to do so because a guy leaves the company, even if it's

00:53:47.820 amicable.

00:53:48.780 He's not part of the team anymore.

00:53:50.860 He's got his own team in his own way.

00:53:52.220 But I just sort of thought, you know, Tommy, you know, who's going to fight?

00:53:56.360 His wife's a mom.

00:53:58.420 You know, she can't fight. 1.00

00:54:00.260 And the other family, they're not built for fighting like Tommy is.

00:54:04.140 We sort of know the guy.

00:54:05.420 We sort of done this for him before.

00:54:06.740 So it felt like a fit.

00:54:07.780 And I'm glad we did.

00:54:08.480 It was the right thing to do.

00:54:09.980 And I can hardly wait till Tommy's out and give him a big handshake and a hug and say,

00:54:13.620 good luck.

00:54:14.480 You know, we're going to put some space between us again because you're independent.

00:54:18.380 I hope we can hang out with him from time to time.

00:54:20.640 We like him from time to time.

00:54:22.220 And my one hope, though, is he stays at a prison because it's clear that the state is

00:54:29.800 gunning for him and they'll find any tiny infraction and blow it up.

00:54:33.980 If he's the first journalist since 1949 to be sentenced to prison, yeah, it doesn't shock

00:54:39.220 me whatsoever, even though it was for a trifle because he's Tommy Robinson and they're hunting

00:54:44.300 for him.

00:54:44.600 So, you know, it's tough to communicate with Tommy in prison.

00:54:47.760 I send emails in and he sort of gives a message to his family.

00:54:50.180 He's very, very circuitous.

00:54:51.820 But when he gets out, I know I'll tell you right now what I'm going to tell him.

00:54:54.540 I'm going to say, I'm glad you're out, my friend.

00:54:56.940 Stay safe physically.

00:54:58.140 Stay safe loyally, legally.

00:55:00.260 I'm going to say, turn it down.

00:55:01.600 Just don't always go 100%.

00:55:03.280 Go 90%.

00:55:04.500 Because a 90% Tommy is still better than anything else.

00:55:08.320 And it makes it harder for them to throw you in jail.

00:55:10.580 That's what I'm going to tell him.

00:55:11.380 So you're going to sneak peek at what I'm going to tell Tommy when he's free.

00:55:14.200 By the way, I think he will be free.

00:55:16.900 D writes, thanks for the coverage, Rebel.

00:55:19.780 Without you guys, it would just be the fake leftist mainstream media, mainstream news.

00:55:24.160 Well, you're right.

00:55:24.780 And I just gave you three examples.

00:55:27.500 The Guardian, the BBC, and Channel 4.

00:55:29.660 I haven't even gone through the Mirror, the Sun, the Mail, the Telegraph, the Times, the Standard.

00:55:35.240 There's so many different papers there.

00:55:37.020 And weirdly, they all hate Tommy.

00:55:38.740 Even the working class papers whose readers love Tommy, all the publishers and editors hate Tommy. 0.95

00:55:44.960 And that's not just a business decision that I regard as foolish.

00:55:48.900 It is editorially and in the public interest it is a bad decision.

00:55:52.720 Because the facts ought to be known about Tommy.

00:55:55.280 And the way he is treated sets a precedent for everyone.

00:55:57.940 And that's a dark thing.

00:56:00.660 Ted writes, excellent reports, Ed.

00:56:03.260 Sure, I was very concerned about your safety in the UK, but you're obviously okay.

00:56:06.600 Thank goodness.

00:56:07.180 Hopefully, you can stay long enough to cover the verdict and hopefully Tommy's release.

00:56:13.240 Well, I actually, as you know, as I mentioned, I went there a day early just in case there was trouble at the border.

00:56:17.520 I thought, I'm not going to risk it.

00:56:18.960 I mean, first of all, a flight can be late a few hours anyways.

00:56:21.240 I didn't want to miss it.

00:56:22.600 But I thought there's a chance they're going to hold me at the border.

00:56:25.340 Now, thankfully, I was wrong on that.

00:56:27.040 But five other Tommy friends were held.

00:56:30.500 I also stayed a day later because I didn't know how long the appeal would go if it would go two days.

00:56:37.680 And I wanted to greet Tommy when he was released.

00:56:41.720 But that decision has been delayed.

00:56:44.100 So I'm back in Canada now, as you can probably tell.

00:56:47.200 And I am still in touch with the lawyers and the family.

00:56:53.240 In fact, I was in touch with both just an hour ago.

00:56:56.680 And they promised to tell me the minute they know the date of when these three judges will return to court to issue their ruling.

00:57:05.700 And I think I'm going to go back for that.

00:57:09.700 Because, again, I want to rebut the lies of the mainstream media.

00:57:13.020 And if Tommy's free, I want to shake his hand, give him a hug, and maybe have him say thanks to his crowdfunding supporters, a.k.a. you.

00:57:20.500 And then I'll leave him be.

00:57:21.600 I'll give the guy some space to let us do his own thing.

00:57:24.060 But until he's out, I think I want to stay on the file.

00:57:26.240 Don't you think?

00:57:26.700 And that mission ends only after the reporting on the verdict ends.

00:57:32.680 Because you know the BBC are going to lie.

00:57:34.960 The Guardian's going to lie.

00:57:35.800 Channel 4's going to lie.

00:57:36.840 ITV's going to lie.

00:57:37.580 Sky's going to lie. 0.94

00:57:38.300 Guardian, all these things.

00:57:39.260 They're going to lie.

00:57:39.860 They're going to lie.

00:57:41.340 Well, that's our show for today.

00:57:42.580 So, anyhow, let me close by saying the second I get the news of that verdict, I'm probably going to buy a ticket.

00:57:48.780 And I might even go that night, right?

00:57:50.960 So, theoretically, tomorrow morning, I could get the news, the appeal is coming.

00:57:56.000 And since it's a seven-hour flight from Toronto, and you've got to buy my ticket, so I probably am going to have to leave immediately, like within hours, of getting that news.

00:58:06.560 So, forgive me if I go, but it's because we've got to close this story off, don't you think?

00:58:11.800 We've talked about it so much over the last month and a half.

00:58:14.240 We were there at the hearing itself.

00:58:16.400 Let's close it up.

00:58:17.360 Let's close it up.

00:58:18.300 So, it's probably going to be a day, maybe two, that I'll be out of town again.

00:58:22.340 But, like I said, when I was at Tommy's hearing, I did eight videos and over 150 tweets.

00:58:29.660 So, hopefully, I can give you enough information to make it worth your while.

00:58:33.600 All right, that's it for me.

00:58:34.920 On behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night, and keep fighting for freedom.

00:58:40.240 We'll see you next time.

Rebel News Podcast - July 24, 2018

FACT CHECKING the UK media's lies about Tommy Robinson's appeal

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