Rebel News Podcast - First, statues： Now a Halifax councillor wants “offensive” names changed on lakes, streets and a mall

00:00:00.000 Hello, Rebels. I heard terrible news out of Halifax.

00:00:03.260 They're going to rename everything, everything that has a bad historical connotation.

00:00:09.100 I've got to tell you, that includes everything from, well, Edward Cornwallis to Halifax itself

00:00:16.020 to the name of the alderman who is leading this charge.

00:00:21.080 I'll take you through the bloody naming history of that whole place.

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00:00:39.000 Okay, here's the show.

00:00:43.740 You're listening to a Rebel News Podcast.

00:00:46.060 Tonight, how big a step is it from tearing down statues to burning books?

00:00:59.640 It's June 23rd, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:04.240 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:08.020 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:01:11.680 The only thing I have to say to the government, the wire publisher, is because it's my bloody right to do so.

00:01:22.740 They were trying to pull down statues in Lafayette Park, which is the lovely and lively park right across the street from the White House.

00:01:30.460 There's always peaceful protesters there, both from the left and the right, and a lot of tourists too.

00:01:35.240 It's the best vantage point to get a photo of the iconic White House.

00:01:38.820 You can't get as close as you used to do before 9-11, but it's still pretty exciting.

00:01:45.020 Alas, now it is a place of riots.

00:01:47.900 You know, the U.S. First Amendment is a wonderful law. I'll read it to you.

00:01:50.680 That's pretty amazing. It's the First Amendment because it's the most important.

00:02:14.420 And as they say in the States, the Second Amendment, the right to have firearms, is what protects the First Amendment.

00:02:20.380 I think it's true.

00:02:21.780 Here's the video I showed yesterday of black businessmen in Minneapolis using their Second Amendment to stop looters and rioters from burning down their stores.

00:02:30.840 Stores and businesses are important.

00:02:32.780 People put their lives and hopes in them.

00:02:34.700 It's how they feed their families.

00:02:35.720 But even more important than that is the right to even speak and protest.

00:02:39.900 We have had those rights restricted in Canada.

00:02:42.620 And our little company, Rebel News, has been one of the perpetual targets of government censorship.

00:02:46.700 We're in court right now fighting Trudeau in two separate lawsuits to fight back against his media censorship.

00:02:51.900 And I note that other than our friends at True North, not a single other media company is in court with us.

00:02:56.280 Anyways, I point out that one key word in the First Amendment.

00:03:01.260 The right of the people peaceably to assemble.

00:03:06.220 Pulling down statues is not peaceful.

00:03:09.380 It's a form of violence, violence against property.

00:03:12.400 It's not a protest when you're actually committing a crime.

00:03:16.420 The First Amendment says, chant and holler and shout all you like, but not riots.

00:03:21.540 Trouble is, these rioters are doing the bidding of the hard left, and so the parties of the left abide it.

00:03:26.560 And the parties of the right are too terrified, too terrified of being called racist, mainly,

00:03:30.420 if they oppose the riots, as if rioting is an essential component of being black. 0.98

00:03:35.120 I'm serious, that's the implication.

00:03:37.460 I showed you yesterday how the Jewish chair of the Board of Governors of UBC was fired

00:03:42.540 for simply liking a tweet by Donald Trump condemning violence.

00:03:47.280 I note that Trump is exceedingly careful never to criticize anything black.

00:03:51.820 I don't think I've ever heard him even say the words, black lives matter.

00:03:54.540 He criticizes Antifa and other rioters.

00:03:59.140 It was the racist mind of the woke mob who assumed that criticizing riots was being racist.

00:04:05.060 No.

00:04:05.900 In fact, thinking that riots are black, and thus thinking that being against riots is being against blacks,

00:04:11.940 that's racist thinking.

00:04:14.500 Oh well, there's no reasoning with the mob, which is why it's called a mob.

00:04:17.480 It's like a colony of ants.

00:04:19.160 It has a mind of itself.

00:04:20.800 People lose their own minds and their own judgments to the mob, and they get lost in the mob.

00:04:27.380 Here's some street videos of the 2011 Vancouver Stanley Cup riots.

00:04:34.320 Vancouver lost the finals to Boston, and fans rioted.

00:04:37.700 But it wasn't racial.

00:04:39.040 There wasn't a grievance.

00:04:40.160 They just lost the game.

00:04:42.080 It was just a mood that took over.

00:04:44.700 And it was when smartphones were just new.

00:04:47.100 So it was one of the first riots that was just filmed.

00:04:50.980 And most of it was in broad daylight.

00:04:53.000 Look at that one girl. 1.00

00:04:57.380 I remember reading about that girl.

00:04:59.360 Her name is Camille Cacneo.

00:05:02.040 She was a nice girl, if I recall.

00:05:03.920 I recall when she was arrested.

00:05:05.100 For some reason, she ran into a men's tuxedo store and just stole something.

00:05:13.960 The first thing she could find.

00:05:15.500 And look at that smile on her face.

00:05:17.880 Why did she do it? 1.00

00:05:18.700 She wasn't poor.

00:05:20.440 She wasn't a criminal before that. 0.96

00:05:22.960 She wasn't a man in need of a tuxedo.

00:05:26.180 She just grabbed something because in that moment, the madness took over.

00:05:30.440 The social contract was broken.

00:05:32.180 Social norms were abandoned.

00:05:33.440 It was madness and anarchy.

00:05:35.500 And she lost her mind, too.

00:05:36.900 Replaced it with the mind of the mob.

00:05:39.400 It is no excuse, of course.

00:05:40.800 But it is an explanation.

00:05:43.140 She didn't have deep enough morals and a deep enough sense of herself and what she believed

00:05:47.540 in to do the right thing.

00:05:49.660 As Rudyard Kipling said in his poem,

00:05:51.980 If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you.

00:05:57.540 And if you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, that's the kind of thing he's talking

00:06:03.760 about, isn't it?

00:06:04.400 Keeping your wits about you in a mob.

00:06:07.580 Can you remember who you are when everyone else forgets who they are or who they're supposed

00:06:12.500 to be?

00:06:13.280 That's what's happening everywhere now because no one is asserting our common values and

00:06:17.780 rules, the social contract that Thomas Hobbes wrote about in his book, Leviathan, where

00:06:22.060 we all agree together to give up madness and violence, to give a monopoly on violence to

00:06:26.660 a tightly controlled system of police with civilian oversight and a legal system based

00:06:31.100 on the presumption of innocence.

00:06:32.180 So we don't all have to be armed police for ourselves all the time.

00:06:36.720 We don't have to rely on local warlords or gangsters to keep us safe as they do in, say,

00:06:41.680 Somalia or, you know, the Chaz Autonomous Zone in Seattle, a lawless zone in the heart 0.99

00:06:49.520 of the city of Seattle where police are banned and the mayor has given up and mobs of Antifa

00:06:56.320 rule the streets.

00:06:57.760 In anarchy, as Hobbes said, life in such a world is solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and

00:07:04.840 short.

00:07:06.400 Yeah, absolutely.

00:07:07.800 It's a version of James Q. Wilson's broken windows theory.

00:07:11.100 You know, the experiment he talked about, if you park a fancy car in a sketchy neighborhood,

00:07:15.600 it can remain untouched for days.

00:07:17.440 But if you smash one window in the car and then leave it unfixed, well, the whole car will

00:07:22.040 be stripped down to the bone within 24 hours.

00:07:24.140 Why?

00:07:24.680 Because people get the message.

00:07:25.740 The social contract doesn't apply here.

00:07:27.940 They may be the odd policeman wandering through, but he doesn't actually do anything.

00:07:31.820 And the population itself abides the lawlessness.

00:07:34.360 You can get away with things here, in a mob for sure, but even on your own in such a neighborhood.

00:07:41.340 That's why Rudy Giuliani cracked down on jaywalking and graffiti and people jumping subway turnstiles

00:07:46.780 without paying, not just because each of those things were, in fact, little crimes, but because

00:07:51.620 they were small crimes.

00:07:53.440 And so letting them fester was proof to the public that New York was a place where you

00:07:58.300 could do what you want, even small crimes, and the community abided it.

00:08:02.460 So he stopped that and he saved the city.

00:08:05.060 So that's where we are now.

00:08:06.440 Like a child trying to find its limits, these Antifa crowds and their copycats are looking

00:08:10.940 to find the new limits.

00:08:11.900 What's the new rules?

00:08:13.260 And so far, it seems, there are no rules.

00:08:16.200 It's spreading around the world as the same cowardly globalist leaders from London to New

00:08:20.700 York to Toronto all have the same permissive reaction to the violence.

00:08:23.680 That's why Michael Kornberg was sacked in Vancouver for merely liking a Trump tweet.

00:08:28.380 No one's pushing back.

00:08:29.100 No one's reasserting sanity.

00:08:31.900 That's why our own David Menzies was physically attacked in Kingston on the weekend by a lame

00:08:36.300 mob of people who went there to pelt the Johnny McDonald statue with eggs.

00:08:40.720 They lack the industriousness to actually tear it down for now.

00:08:44.680 So it's madness, but it's not just a momentary anonymous madness of the sort that made an otherwise

00:08:49.560 sweet girl like Camille Cacneos steal some men's clothing in the middle of the evening. 1.00

00:08:53.380 It's madness that a generous community builder like Michael Kornberg caves into to the mob

00:08:58.780 and incredibly joins in the mob against himself.

00:09:02.540 It's exactly what went on in the Cultural Revolution in China. 0.71

00:09:05.600 I'll go much deeper into that for you another day.

00:09:08.060 I want to show you more pictures of that.

00:09:10.080 But it is a madness.

00:09:11.120 If you tear down a statue today, you will burn a book tomorrow because what's the difference?

00:09:16.380 A book is actually worse by every measure.

00:09:18.940 A book actually contains ideas, not just symbols of ideas.

00:09:23.380 Which is what a statue is.

00:09:25.620 If you tear down a statue of a man, surely you would want to tear down all the words of

00:09:31.520 that man and the thoughts of that man.

00:09:33.660 That's what a book is.

00:09:35.700 And as we learn from Adolf Hitler, who loved burning books, where books burn, soon men will 0.97

00:09:41.680 also burn.

00:09:42.420 Which brings me to the foolish city of Halifax and their foolish city councillor named Richard

00:09:48.300 Zorosky.

00:09:50.560 He's pictured here.

00:09:52.300 And if I can quote Richard Zorosky about Richard Zorosky, he says about Richard Zorosky,

00:09:57.100 councillor Zorosky is an active promoter of evidence-based, conscientious decision-making.

00:10:03.560 If he does say so himself.

00:10:05.380 He's not like those other guys who go off half-cocked.

00:10:08.640 Richard Zorosky is conscientious and he really thinks.

00:10:11.420 Just ask him.

00:10:12.800 Oh, here's today's newspaper.

00:10:13.960 Zorosky wants city staff to examine possibility of changing offensive names.

00:10:22.340 He said the research will dovetail well with the work of a task force on the commemoration

00:10:27.200 of Edward Cornwallis and Indigenous history.

00:10:29.980 Okay, got it.

00:10:31.180 Offensive names.

00:10:32.220 I'll read some of the story.

00:10:34.900 A Halifax council member wants city hall staff to examine the possibility of name changes

00:10:39.080 affecting municipal things due to the offensive nature of the names.

00:10:42.340 Councillor Richard Zorosky, Timberley Beetsville Clayton Park Wedgwood, said Monday he plans

00:10:48.000 to present a notice of motion into his council session regarding a proposed staff report.

00:10:53.360 There are a lot of offensive names, not only to our First Nations people, but also to Blacks

00:10:59.580 in the community.

00:11:00.580 And a lot of our names go back to colonialism.

00:11:05.620 Now, as you can see, Richard Zorosky is neither Black nor First Nations himself.

00:11:09.460 But I guess he speaks for them.

00:11:13.520 He's the King of the Blacks and King of the First Nations. 0.86

00:11:16.940 I missed the votes, but he's speaking for them.

00:11:19.780 Maybe he's appropriating their voices.

00:11:21.820 He's whitesplaining to them that they ought to be offended.

00:11:24.720 But he's enjoying this moment of anarchy where he gets to tear things down.

00:11:27.960 He wants to join him.

00:11:29.120 He wants not only to be in the mob, he wants to lead it.

00:11:32.040 I mean, there are so, so many offensive names.

00:11:37.060 Halifax itself was named after the Earl of Halifax, George Montagu Dunk.

00:11:42.480 A great man in terms of his impact on the world.

00:11:46.260 His courage and resourcefulness he helped build Nova Scotia.

00:11:48.940 But do you really think all of his conduct could withstand the scrutiny of a woke faculty

00:11:53.160 lounge at Dalhousie University in 2020?

00:11:55.840 Or Richard Zorosky?

00:11:57.900 I mean, for one thing, Halifax didn't even believe in gay marriage.

00:12:03.480 And then again, neither did Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama until about five minutes ago.

00:12:07.800 But still, I mean, who better to sit in judgment of historical figures like Halifax himself

00:12:13.980 or Edward Cornwallis, the founder of the city that bears Halifax's name?

00:12:18.140 Edward Cornwallis came from a leading British family.

00:12:23.680 You may have heard of his nephew.

00:12:25.020 I think it was his nephew, Charles Cornwallis, who led the unsuccessful British soldiers against

00:12:32.180 George Washington in the Revolutionary War.

00:12:34.540 So these were men of action.

00:12:36.060 These were great men in the historical sense.

00:12:38.520 But look, action in those days was more than not.

00:12:41.700 It was bloody.

00:12:42.340 They were soldiers.

00:12:43.900 Cornwallis fought against the Indians in Nova Scotia, and he fought in a brutal way.

00:12:47.760 Some would say as brutally as the Indians fought him.

00:12:51.060 But he passed this proclamation that a reward of 10 guineas be granted for every Indian Mi'kmaq 0.69

00:12:57.320 taken or killed.

00:12:59.160 So he paid a bounty, not a rare thing in war back then.

00:13:02.800 But I can understand why this rankles people in 2020 and why Cornwallis' statue is dishonored

00:13:08.160 by some people in light of our sentiments and beliefs in 2020.

00:13:12.240 But if you're going to do that, if you're going to go back 200 or 250 years and knock down

00:13:17.060 people who don't meet your woke standard of manners and customs in 2020, you are not going

00:13:24.320 to have any history at all.

00:13:27.300 I mean, I guess we'll have to knock down the pyramids themselves.

00:13:30.080 They were built by slaves. 0.99

00:13:32.560 Better empty out the great museums and destroy the hieroglyphics, some of which show slaves.

00:13:37.880 Guys, I just want to tell you now, if we're going to get rid of anyone who was cruel, who

00:13:43.780 fought wars brutally, and especially anyone who had slaves, I've got to whisper this next

00:13:48.580 part to you.

00:13:49.060 I want you to brace yourself.

00:13:51.780 Mohammed, as in the founder of Islam, he had slaves. 1.00

00:13:56.820 And if you're into book burnings these days, well, be careful, friends, because nothing

00:14:02.120 less than the Koran itself blesses slavery. 0.98

00:14:06.200 Here's the Koran, Surah 4, verse 24 of the Koran, just one of the ton of passages outlining

00:14:12.260 the rules for slavery.

00:14:13.200 So it doesn't ban slavery.

00:14:14.400 It prescribes it.

00:14:15.540 It describes it.

00:14:17.080 And also prohibited to you are all married women, except those your right hands possess. 0.98

00:14:23.340 That means you can't have sex with a married woman, other than your wife, unless you take 1.00

00:14:29.860 that married woman in war as your slave. 0.97

00:14:34.180 Then you can do what you want with her.

00:14:36.940 She's a rape slave. 1.00

00:14:38.300 That's what those your right hand possesses means.

00:14:41.020 Rape slaves. 1.00

00:14:42.120 It's why the Islamic State renewed the practice of wartime rape slaves and had slave markets 1.00

00:14:48.280 in the Islamic State.

00:14:49.300 Hey, let me know when the Koran is deplatformed. 0.79

00:15:05.340 I won't wait up for Richard Zorowski.

00:15:07.520 But seriously, is all of history to be deleted because it doesn't meet our fashion?

00:15:11.460 Of course, it's contrary to all our modern beliefs, because that's how we define our

00:15:18.140 superiority.

00:15:19.260 But those who want to build a new utopia must first destroy everything in the old way.

00:15:24.800 Mao Zedong in China destroyed everything from the old system, art, music, words. 0.71

00:15:28.860 He had to, to create his new utopia.

00:15:31.200 He even contemplated giving people numbers, not names.

00:15:35.260 He wanted to raise everything to the ground, to bring it to zero, to start everything again,

00:15:39.140 destroy everything, just like the Taliban destroys things. 0.93

00:15:44.020 If you destroy every other idea, you don't have to convince people your idea is better.

00:15:48.020 Just destroy the other idea.

00:15:49.240 It's what tyrants do. 0.97

00:15:51.200 Richard Zorowski.

00:15:52.480 He's named Richard, surely named after the greatest Richard in history, Richard the Lionheart.

00:16:00.680 That's him outside Britain's parliament, so glorious.

00:16:03.360 He ruled from 1189 to 1199.

00:16:07.200 Do you think he was gentle?

00:16:10.080 He wasn't called Richard the Gentleheart.

00:16:13.560 Do you think he wasn't as rough as Cornwallis?

00:16:16.900 Or even, frankly, as rough as Muhammad? 0.95

00:16:19.080 Well, he wasn't that rough, because his Christianity limited his violence.

00:16:23.300 But he was certainly violent.

00:16:24.720 He was a crusader, of course.

00:16:26.380 That was to repulse Muslim invaders who were more violent than him. 1.00

00:16:31.300 The Crusades were not an offensive war.

00:16:34.320 It was a defensive war to recapture Jerusalem.

00:16:37.360 Richard the Lionheart was a crusader.

00:16:40.180 He also fought against France.

00:16:42.660 In one of his wars against the Muslims, he kept 2,700 Muslim soldiers that he captured.

00:16:48.660 He kept them as hostages to enforce a treaty against the Muslim warrior Saladin.

00:16:53.840 They called him Richard the Lionheart because he fought like a lion.

00:17:02.000 Lions don't just fight, though.

00:17:03.920 They kill.

00:17:05.420 And Richard led a trail of blood.

00:17:08.820 Good.

00:17:10.020 Better that England ruled than its rivals.

00:17:12.800 Better that Richard the Lionheart win than Saladin. 0.98

00:17:16.280 You don't want to know what he would do when he took over a town.

00:17:18.560 And this wasn't a model parliament or a United Nations talk shop.

00:17:22.740 It was a brutal world.

00:17:23.940 And I'm glad Richard the Lionheart won.

00:17:27.700 Should we tear down Richard's statue from the British parliament because of all that?

00:17:33.120 Maybe Richard Zeroski should change his own name.

00:17:36.840 Or at least have Halifax bureaucrats study it, because they've got nothing better to do.

00:17:41.980 I mean, why should only Halifax and Cornwallis be shameful names?

00:17:45.660 What about Richard Zeroski's own name, soaked in blood?

00:17:52.420 I know Richard Zeroski is not a great man.

00:17:55.300 He doesn't even sound like a good man, really.

00:17:58.380 He sounds like the perfect 2020 man, though, doesn't he?

00:18:02.120 Look at this.

00:18:02.620 Look at this story here.

00:18:03.660 In a thousand years, we went from Richard the Lionheart, who went to Free Jerusalem, 0.92

00:18:15.800 from invaders to Richard the Mouseheart, who skipped lunch and put out a press release about it for Greta.

00:18:23.600 On Tuesday, Zeroski announced on Facebook that he will consume only water and coffee until Election Day on October 21 to force action on climate change.

00:18:34.380 Loser.

00:18:35.060 But hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on just a minute.

00:18:36.900 Hold the line.

00:18:38.320 What's this?

00:18:38.840 What's this?

00:18:39.300 What's this?

00:18:39.700 What am I hearing?

00:18:40.200 Richard Zeroski, who still goes by the murderous name, Richard, and still sits on the murderously named Halifax Council in a town by the murderer, Cornwallis.

00:18:53.320 Did Richard Zeroski just say what I thought he said?

00:18:57.800 Oh, my God.

00:18:58.780 Look at this.

00:18:59.580 I would like to see some equity.

00:19:03.360 It's a lot of money.

00:19:04.720 I can appreciate Counselor Mason working for this on behalf of his constituents, and I do appreciate that it probably is needed there,

00:19:15.040 but I'm going to respectfully ask him to get to the back of the bus while we get our rec center first.

00:19:21.060 Thank you.

00:19:22.420 Richard Mouseheart.

00:19:23.460 Did you just tell someone to go to the back of the bus?

00:19:30.220 I'm literally shaking right now.

00:19:32.780 You literally just said, back of the bus.

00:19:38.240 The apartheid style, Deep South style, Jim Crow style rule that black people have to go to the back of the bus.

00:19:44.720 You just said that, Richard Mouseheart.

00:19:49.180 Well, look, Richard, you served your moment when you condemned Cornwallis.

00:19:53.460 But now you, too, stand condemned, not just of having a terrible first name, but of what you just said, you racist.

00:20:01.760 And now you must be deplatformed and canceled, too.

00:20:05.640 You've served your purpose.

00:20:06.660 You've denounced others.

00:20:07.800 But now it is your turn.

00:20:08.900 Shame on you, you racist man.

00:20:10.700 And as your last act before you leave, will you now please denounce yourself?

00:20:18.720 Stay with us for more.

00:20:19.820 Welcome back.

00:20:32.460 Well, while the world has been focused on so many other things, the Black Lives Matter and Antifa protests and riots across the United States and in the UK,

00:20:41.240 and, of course, the coronavirus pandemic, India and China have had a military clash.

00:20:47.880 Let me quote to you from CNN, which talks about the clash which left 20 Indian soldiers dead and how that's spiraling into an economic war between the two countries.

00:20:59.780 Here's a story in CNN authorities in India are hitting pause on more than 600 million dollars in deals with Chinese companies in the wake of a deadly border clash with India.

00:21:12.040 Officials in the Western Indian state of Maharashtra said Monday they were reviewing agreements with three Chinese companies as they seek clarity from the Indian government on how or whether to proceed.

00:21:23.780 And I also see that on social media, many Indian celebrities are making little videos telling ordinary Indians to start taking Chinese products out of their life bit by bit.

00:21:37.140 Chinese cell phones, Chinese apps to unhook from that country that is now engaged in a kind of war with them. 0.92

00:21:45.320 And finally, I see China's own propaganda industry shaming India for even quarreling with China.

00:21:53.240 And this menacing tweet published by Global Times, an official outlet of the Chinese Communist Party, that implies China could crush India in a war.

00:22:03.480 It has more nuclear weapons as well as more conventional weapons.

00:22:07.960 This is extremely bellicose talk that has actually turned into a shooting battle, if not a war.

00:22:13.860 Joining us now to try to make sense of it is our friend Gordon Chang, an author, a columnist, and I encourage you to follow him on Twitter at Gordon G. Chang.

00:22:23.980 Gordon, great to see you again.

00:22:25.400 I don't think the world has paid enough attention to this battle of the titans.

00:22:29.320 No, certainly not, because you had the 20 Indian soldiers killed.

00:22:33.360 We don't know how many Chinese were killed, but it could very well be 35.

00:22:38.120 And you've got to remember that this is not just a contest between India and China.

00:22:42.500 This is very close to Pakistan, so we could have three nuclear-armed neighbors involved in a conflict.

00:22:48.920 This is terrifying to me.

00:22:50.340 Can you give us a little bit about the background of the border?

00:22:53.420 There are border issues everywhere with China these days.

00:22:56.360 We've talked before about the sea disputes for territory in the Scarborough Shoals and places like that.

00:23:05.280 Tell us about this boundary between India and China.

00:23:08.360 Yeah, this boundary is the line of actual control, but it is not demarked on the ground.

00:23:15.960 And so there are these disputes as to where China ends and India begins.

00:23:20.160 But we know that this clash took place south of the line of actual control.

00:23:25.260 In other words, in Indian-controlled territory.

00:23:27.700 And also, over the last weeks, since basically the beginning of May, Chinese troops have moved into areas that are not disputed.

00:23:36.800 So this is an aggressive move.

00:23:39.200 And, of course, India is pushing back. 0.98

00:23:41.200 We had that June 15th clash and could very well have more to come.

00:23:45.640 There are more talks now between China and India to try to disengage.

00:23:49.560 But the Chinese are reinforcing their side of the border.

00:23:52.620 So this doesn't look good, Ezra.

00:23:54.540 Now, what's the rationale here?

00:23:56.300 You would think that President Xi Jinping has his hands full.

00:23:59.580 The economy is slowing down.

00:24:01.160 Massive American tariffs.

00:24:02.940 The coronavirus seems like it's having a second wave in China.

00:24:06.760 There's so many things flashing on his dashboard.

00:24:10.060 Why would he open up a new front?

00:24:11.380 Or is that precisely it, to distract from the other troubles?

00:24:14.700 Yeah, this is like one of the most important questions that the world must ask.

00:24:18.740 And I don't really know the answer to it.

00:24:21.300 But I do think that this shows fragility in the Chinese system because they are seeing a closing window of opportunity for the reasons you mentioned.

00:24:29.600 And the Chinese economy is actually much worse than most people think.

00:24:32.880 It's probably not going to recover this quarter.

00:24:36.160 That would mean a technical recession because they had a contraction in the first quarter.

00:24:39.940 This is something that Chinese people are not used to.

00:24:43.580 And it's, I think, having political implications.

00:24:45.800 So we see China, with this wolf warrior diplomacy, really lashing out at not just India, but the South China Sea, East China Sea neighbors, also increased tempo of dangerous intercepts of the U.S. Navy and the global commons, threats to take over Kazakhstan. 0.81

00:25:02.600 This is really, really dangerous.

00:25:05.220 You know, Narendra Modi and Donald Trump seem to have a political rapport.

00:25:11.880 I remember when Modi, the leader of India, was in Texas and they had a big Howdy Modi rally.

00:25:18.160 And then Modi returned the favor, Namaste Trump.

00:25:21.100 Trump flew all the way there for a huge rally.

00:25:23.700 The two men seem to be trying very hard to get along.

00:25:26.500 I don't think I've heard Trump weigh in on this.

00:25:29.200 Maybe I missed it.

00:25:30.040 But you would think he's number one regional ally, big democracy, and there's domestic political reasons.

00:25:36.700 Where is Trump being, if at all?

00:25:38.720 Have you seen any statements by Trump or Secretary Pompeo on this matter?

00:25:42.880 I think Secretary Pompeo raised this issue in his meeting with his Chinese counterpart, Yang Jiaxin, in Honolulu.

00:25:50.880 Also, it appears that, you know, Trump hasn't said anything, but that the State Department has been working behind the scenes.

00:25:58.800 But we need, as you point out, we need to be much more open about this.

00:26:02.780 We need to be public in our support for India, because India is moving toward the United States and towards the democracies in the region.

00:26:11.200 And so, therefore, you know, China is seeing itself physically being contained.

00:26:16.440 It's actually containing itself.

00:26:18.540 I know you're so busy.

00:26:20.080 I see you on all the leading cable shows and talk shows.

00:26:23.220 So we're always so grateful that you stopped by us at Little Rebel News.

00:26:25.960 Let me ask just one question, and it's how I began it, too.

00:26:29.180 I see there's three big business deals in India that are now on ice.

00:26:32.980 People are just figuring out, OK, well, should we really do a deal with China if we're de facto at war with them?

00:26:38.600 Again, this might be an opportunity for the West.

00:26:40.940 If Western companies, America, but also Canada, UK, Australia, are looking to pull out of China,

00:26:47.500 maybe this is the opportunity to go into India, to displace China there, to invest there.

00:26:55.020 Because China and India are so integrated, maybe this is an actual opening for an alliance of democracies.

00:27:02.140 I'd love to see more American investment.

00:27:04.940 And if you have to have a factory offshore, shouldn't it be in a democracy and an ally versus a dictatorship and an enemy?

00:27:11.520 I couldn't agree with you more, Ezra.

00:27:15.000 You know, companies have been moving into India now for several years.

00:27:18.980 Part of it triggered by Modi, who has really been friendly toward business and trying to open up the Indian economy.

00:27:27.140 But India itself, we see now this movement to boycott Chinese goods, as you point out.

00:27:32.560 Also, this idea that they should get the Chinese telecom equipment out of their networks.

00:27:37.240 So they're talking about rip and replace.

00:27:40.160 And as you mentioned, there's that CNN story of a number of big Chinese deals really now in jeopardy.

00:27:46.720 So there is going to be a delinking of India and China, at least in the economy. 0.98

00:27:52.560 Well, I sure hope that Canada, we have a very large Indo-Canadian population in Canada.

00:27:57.660 I sure hope that we try and fill that void.

00:27:59.840 Even if Trudeau still doesn't know which side he's on,

00:28:02.180 I hope that a million Indo-Canadian citizens say,

00:28:06.920 hey, that's our, you know, motherland.

00:28:09.700 Let's strengthen ties.

00:28:10.800 That's my personal hope.

00:28:11.640 Gordon, it's great to see you again.

00:28:13.080 I recommend again to our viewers who still aren't following to go to Gordon G. Chang on Twitter,

00:28:18.740 and you'll get a constant stream of thoughtful updates.

00:28:21.520 Take care, my friend, and thanks for stopping by.

00:28:23.980 Oh, thank you so much, Ezra.

00:28:25.320 All right, there you have it, Gordon G. Chang, joining us with the latest on China and India.

00:28:30.200 Stay with us.

00:28:30.880 More ahead.

00:28:32.180 Hey, welcome back to my monologue last night.

00:28:41.280 Gary writes,

00:28:42.760 The left believes in the ministry of truth, their truth.

00:28:45.820 They want to control what people read and how they think.

00:28:48.340 They're pushing their narrative, which is supposed to represent the truth,

00:28:50.980 but it's only their truth they want everyone to accept.

00:28:53.400 When we bend a knee to their bullying, it only empowers them.

00:28:55.880 We should stand up against them, but we don't out of fear.

00:28:58.600 I agree with every word you said, but look, easier said than done.

00:29:04.060 When it's your job or your reputation on the line, will you lean into the hurricane, or will you be blown back?

00:29:11.640 Susanna Simpson writes,

00:29:14.440 I was very disappointed by Michael Kornberg's apology.

00:29:17.100 It's fueling the fire of the mob.

00:29:20.080 You know, I learned after the monologue last night that Kornberg actually helped raise $20 million,

00:29:26.960 including for the woman who denounced him and fired him.

00:29:30.640 There's no gratitude there, is there?

00:29:32.100 On my interview with Joel Pollack on removing statues, Mike writes,

00:29:36.980 When they're done with the statues and monuments, and they come for the people,

00:29:40.020 and the law will be on their side.

00:29:42.560 Well, there really isn't any law, is there?

00:29:44.980 Because there are laws against tearing down statues, vandalism, mischief, trespass to property, etc.

00:29:50.940 They're not being enforced.

00:29:53.480 We see even in our own country violence against our reporters.

00:29:56.780 Please don't lift a finger.

00:29:58.700 So, people get the message.

00:30:00.820 It's what I said earlier about Camille Cacneo,

00:30:02.900 that girl who just ran into a tuxedo store and stole something just because. 0.79

00:30:07.540 She didn't need it.

00:30:08.240 What's she going to do with that? 0.99

00:30:09.760 Well, that's the spirit.

00:30:11.900 That's the mood.

00:30:12.740 That is what your place is like now.

00:30:14.540 Except for not just for a mad moment in the Stanley Cup ride.

00:30:17.720 That's how it is all the time now.

00:30:19.420 And who's standing up for it?

00:30:20.540 Where are the conservatives in this country?

00:30:22.080 Where are the conservatives in America?

00:30:23.340 Donald Trump tweets law and order.

00:30:25.940 Thanks for the tweet.

00:30:26.700 You're actually going to do anything, though, mate.

00:30:29.380 Well, we're in tough times.

00:30:31.180 Well, that's our show for today.

00:30:32.500 Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel News World Headquarters,

00:30:36.560 to you at home, good night and keep fighting for freedom.

00:30:39.440 We'll see you next time next time.

00:30:53.640 Welcome back.

00:30:54.260 Bye.

00:30:54.300 Bye.

00:30:54.380 Thank you.

Rebel News Podcast - June 24, 2020

First, statues： Now a Halifax councillor wants “offensive” names changed on lakes, streets and a mall

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