Rebel News Podcast - First Wendy Mesley, now Jessica Mulroney： Leftist cancel culture is devouring its own

00:00:00.000 Hello, my rebels. Today, I try to go through the cancel culture that is just racking the world.

00:00:05.560 Trouble is, I only have, what, half an hour. I go through about 50 examples, including

00:00:10.440 Wendy Mesley. Couldn't happen to a nicer person. That's ahead, but before I get there,

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00:00:58.660 Tonight, first, Wendy Mesley. Now, Ben Mulroney's wife. Leftist cancel culture is devouring its own.

00:01:09.340 It's June 12th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:13.400 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:17.140 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:01:21.220 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I'm publishing it is because it's my

00:01:25.820 bloody right to do so. I'm not that into the scene, but if you're a young, hip woman in Canada, 0.62

00:01:36.100 you might have come across Jessica Mulroney. As her last name suggests, she married into the 0.94

00:01:41.260 Mulroney family. Her husband is Ben Mulroney, who has had a successful career in similar pop and

00:01:47.620 fashion media. Nothing heavy, nothing political, lots of shiny teeth and tan skin. Jessica Mulroney 0.98

00:01:54.320 had a TV show of her own and gigs with big brands like Hudson's Bay. The two of them were as close

00:02:00.420 as Canada gets to a glamorous media couple, I guess, and they dabbled in the U.S. media too.

00:02:06.080 And in recent years, Jessica Mulroney also became known as a PR woman for Meghan Markle,

00:02:10.920 the American divorcee who married Prince Harry and pretty much pulled him out of the royal family,

00:02:15.600 but not before pressing him to use his connections to promote her career. It's so gross. Remember this? 0.92

00:02:22.040 Well, that's over. Jessica Mulroney was sacked by CTV.

00:02:42.080 She needs to be a better white ally, they said. Jessica Mulroney isn't doing enough for diversity 1.00

00:02:48.800 in black voices, they said. So her show is being cancelled and the back episodes, I think they've

00:02:53.860 been deleted too. I say again, Mulroney was the quarterback for Meghan Markle's woke battle

00:02:59.180 against that old white Queen Elizabeth. Markle is half black, of course, and with Mulroney's help,

00:03:04.700 she's been bashing everything about the royal family and frankly, everything about Britain. 0.95

00:03:08.280 I guess it wasn't woke enough, though, to get her a pass. Jessica Mulroney is out. Lost her show, 0.99

00:03:14.840 lost her sponsorship gigs. Here's Hudson's Bay saying Mulroney isn't woke enough for them either.

00:03:20.920 She's dumped. It's bad being fired. I was fired once a long time ago. It's not fun. But being fired

00:03:28.340 for being racist? Well, that's tough to come back from because it's like it's the last word about you.

00:03:32.960 It comes to define you. You were obviously too racist for everyone who knew you, so how could

00:03:37.880 you be hired by someone else? It's a disaster. It's a life sentence in a way. But what's remarkable 0.99

00:03:44.120 here is just how woke Jessica Mulroney was. I mean, she's a fancy person as close as we get to Hollywood

00:03:49.660 up here. She's pretty. She has fancy friends and she's the chief assistant to woke Meghan Markle. 1.00

00:03:55.900 Just sacked, depersoned, deleted from history. Who cares if she's a Mulroney? 0.99

00:03:59.920 It's like this. This famous photo of Stalin that was an airbrush to remove someone who became, 0.81

00:04:07.080 well, inconvenient. They were unpersoned for whatever reason. Airbrushed out.

00:04:14.860 So Jessica Mulroney has just been airbrushed out of history too. Sorry, you were woke, but just not

00:04:20.960 woke enough. Oh, and Wendy Messley too. Peter Mansbridge's ex who was given a CBC show out of some sort of

00:04:28.020 nepotism in the retirement plan for her. She was fired from her show for saying a bad word about 1.00

00:04:34.980 black people. Wendy Messley suspended from hosting after using careless language in discussing racial

00:04:41.640 issue. Neither host nor CBC's head of public affairs clarified what word was used. Gee, I wonder

00:04:47.920 what word that would be. Here's Wendy Messley herself. She says, this is a word that no one like me

00:04:54.720 should ever use. I made a big mistake and I promised to change my behavior. Yeah, that's not how it works,

00:05:00.740 Wendy. You're canceled. And you know about being canceled because your career in its twilight has

00:05:06.180 been on this bizarre, obscure show that specialized in trying to get other people canceled. So it's weird.

00:05:13.440 So instead of interviewing, interviewing important newsmakers with strong opinions and newsworthy

00:05:17.860 ideas, instead of talking to them about ideas, she specialized in digging through someone's old

00:05:23.620 social media comments, trying to find a gotcha thing to ambush them with. Remember when Jordan 0.99

00:05:28.640 Peterson was on a show? This was when he had the biggest book in the English world, a bestseller in

00:05:34.740 every country. He was drawing literally thousands of people a night to hear his speeches. He was an idea

00:05:40.480 shaper. And wacky Wendy just thought it was a gotcha moment. Remember that?

00:05:46.560 I'm just wondering why you would choose to be in this photo.

00:05:51.460 Well, I've probably had my photo taken with five or six thousand people in the last few or so.

00:05:55.180 No, but this is with a Pepe flag. I understand that.

00:05:57.040 I mean, you know that this is now seen as a symbol for the alt.

00:06:00.940 Well, I did a video online called The Metaphysics of Pepe. And people are waiting. Well, they're

00:06:06.420 waiting with things like this to say, look, well, you made a mistake here. It's like,

00:06:10.100 yeah, well, I've done like 10,000 things in the last year and maybe I made a mistake.

00:06:14.440 Did you? Hard to say.

00:06:16.220 So weak, so lame, trying to de-platform and cancel people. Now she's de-platformed and 0.89

00:06:20.900 canceled, except that unlike Jordan Peterson or Maxime Bernier, who she also tried it on,

00:06:26.180 neither of them actually are racist. But apparently White Wendy drops the N-word around the office 1.00

00:06:31.480 and didn't know what was wrong. Well, live by the sword, die by the sword.

00:06:35.700 And same for the terribly woke J.K. Rowling, author of the kids' fantasy fiction books about

00:06:41.820 wizards and whatever, Harry Potter. Favorite book for liberal millennials, only book for liberal

00:06:46.980 millennials, really. She made a billion dollars and then had a post-author career, sort of revising 1.00

00:06:53.000 the history of many of her characters. Oh, did you know this one was actually black and this one was

00:06:57.280 actually gay or whatever? It was sort of weird, but it was her way of being progressive. 0.94

00:07:00.460 But then she made the mistake of saying that biological women are different from 1.00

00:07:06.480 men who transition to women, trans women. Yeah, no, canceled. Even by those losers that 1.00

00:07:14.040 she turned into millionaire stars, like this guy. Daniel Radcliffe hopes J.K. Rowling trans 0.96

00:07:20.340 tweets don't taint Harry Potter. Transgender women are women, the actor wrote. Any statement

00:07:26.460 to the contrary erases the identity and dignity of transgender people. So you might think it's a bit

00:07:31.440 of mansplaining for some little twerp to tell a woman who is and isn't a woman. But you see,

00:07:37.200 transgenderism trumps being a woman. Sorry, J.K. Rowling, you're canceled too. And woke company 1.00

00:07:43.120 started bashing her too. Here's the body shop. Hey, J.K. Rowling, here's something we made earlier.

00:07:48.760 We thought you might like one. We've also popped in a vegan bath bomb and a copy of Trans Rights

00:07:53.800 for you to read in the bath. Yeah, nothing's more woke than the body shop. You know who owns them?

00:08:00.720 They're an 11 billion dollar multinational corporation headquartered in Brazil telling 0.93

00:08:07.080 a woman to shut up about women. Here's a picture of their board of directors from a few years ago

00:08:11.920 they found online. They're woke. J.K. Rowling is canceled because they're right about who a woman 0.99

00:08:18.220 is and who isn't. Oh, and also canceled the editorial pages editor of the New York Times.

00:08:23.400 He was a very woke liberal. You have to be. But he was fired. Canceled because he dared to publish an

00:08:28.900 op-ed from a sitting U.S. senator that called for more law enforcement during the riots. An opinion

00:08:34.480 supported by more than 70 percent of Americans. Supported by most black Americans too, by the way.

00:08:39.480 And even if it wasn't a popular opinion, you know, newspapers sometimes do publish dissenting points

00:08:45.280 of view too. Minority opinions too. Yeah, no. The guy who commissioned it was fired. You know,

00:08:51.860 John Cleese, you know him from the British comedy troupe Monty Python? Terribly woke. Always tweeting

00:08:57.640 against Donald Trump, against conservatives. Too bad. So sad. Not enough. He's gone too. Look at this.

00:09:05.620 Faulty Towers. Don't mention the war episode removed from UK TV. It's pretty funny. I don't know if you ever

00:09:11.160 saw Faulty Towers. He plays a British hotel manager and a bunch of German tourists come to visit

00:09:16.440 and he keeps telling the staff, don't mention the war. Don't mention the war. Did you ever see it?

00:09:20.200 Take a look. Are these Germans too? Oh, yes, but I can do it. Right, right. Here's the plan. I'll stand

00:09:26.000 there and ask them if they want something to drink before the war. Before their lunch.

00:09:31.740 Before their lunch. Don't mention the war.

00:09:34.060 Can we help you?

00:09:51.340 Yeah, gone. Poof. Just gone. Same with the British show called Little Britain because some of their

00:09:55.840 skits are in blackface. Just deleted. Gone from Netflix. Gone with the Wind has been deleted from HBO. 1.00

00:10:02.800 Did you know that? It's too bad, really. The first black woman to ever win an Oscar won it in that 0.99

00:10:09.280 movie. Hattie McDaniel was the name. I guess her black life doesn't really matter. A lot of cops 1.00

00:10:14.860 shows have been canceled, too, for some reason. I'm not sure how that works. You know, these days,

00:10:19.140 so many cop shows feature black police officers, often in senior positions. In fact, I'm having 0.96

00:10:24.140 trouble thinking of a police show on the air today that doesn't feature a black cop, almost always in a 1.00

00:10:29.680 lovable or admirable or respectable role. The hero of the show, not just as a criminal. So I'm not sure

00:10:35.640 how it's going to work if you're banning cop shows. But hey, there's no rhyme or reason here. Everything's

00:10:39.280 being canceled. Deplatformed. I showed you the other day, Abraham Lincoln, liberator of four million

00:10:44.620 slaves. He's a racist, obviously. Vandalized the statue. Churchill, the man who, as much as anyone, 0.97

00:10:51.920 defeated Nazi Germany. Well, they're calling him a racist now. Yeah, mate, black lives matter to

00:10:57.160 Hitler, just not in the way that you think those words mean. A pretty good thing for black lives 1.00

00:11:02.680 that Churchill was there to fight Hitler, don't you think? They defaced Churchill's statue in London

00:11:09.320 last week. The rioters did, that is, spray paint. But now the mayor is defacing it again, literally

00:11:15.160 putting a big wooden box around it. A coffin, really. Why not station a policeman there instead,

00:11:23.180 or soldiers or veterans, to guard the statue? Whatever. Why not guard it? This is official

00:11:28.160 government vandalism. Putting a box around it? It's actually much more effective than the rioters

00:11:32.840 and the spray painters. Put it in a coffin, you can't even see it. I don't know if that's actually

00:11:36.520 going to stop motivated rioters from destroying the statues, even if they're in a coffin. I mean,

00:11:40.640 what's to stop people from smashing the coffin, then smashing the statue. Here's one the other

00:11:45.700 day in the United States, they pulled it down, and it happened to crush one of the guys who was

00:11:50.100 pulling it down, by the way. That's sort of like if a lumberjack doesn't know what he's doing,

00:11:54.520 and shouts timber and the tree falls on him. Yeah, I tell you, you need a heart of stone,

00:11:59.280 not to at least chuckle at the irony here. I understand that the rioter is now in serious

00:12:04.880 condition, but still, can you enjoy this? I guess whoever that soldier was who was turned

00:12:11.440 into a statue, I guess he claimed one more victim, the racist. That's terrible.

00:12:17.700 They tore down the statue of Christopher Columbus in Minnesota. I'm not sure what that has to do

00:12:21.700 with Black Lives Matter or police brutality in Minneapolis. Columbus is an Italian-American

00:12:27.020 icon. Columbus Day is sort of the Italian-American National Day. I had the good fortune to be in

00:12:32.700 New York City last Columbus Day, and I saw the parade. It's a big moment for Italian-Americans.

00:12:40.160 It's sort of like their version of the Irish St. Patrick's Day, really. I actually, that's where

00:12:44.940 I actually first met, first saw Andrew Cuomo, the governor. He was in the parade. Here's Governor

00:12:51.000 Cuomo talking about that. Christopher Columbus, I understand the dialogue that's been going on

00:12:57.780 for a number of years. The Christopher Columbus statue represents, in some ways, the Italian-American

00:13:06.720 legacy in this country and the Italian-American contribution in this country. I understand the

00:13:13.280 feelings about Christopher Columbus and some of his acts, which nobody would support. But the statue

00:13:21.240 was, has come to represent and signify appreciation for the Italian-American contribution to New York.

00:13:31.560 Well, I'm glad he's not actually throwing his own people in the garbage can this time, but I notice 0.95

00:13:35.400 he's been silent on every other historical desecration and on the burning down of his prized city, New York.

00:13:41.740 There's really no one who's spared by this platform, de-platforming, cancel culture. It's like a Maoist

00:13:47.740 cultural revolution. Everyone's going to get it. It'll come for you. Weirdly, a group of Hollywood

00:13:52.860 B-listers did one of those awful, cringy videos where they all look into the camera and don't wear 0.94

00:13:57.840 any makeup and try to be really woke. Who thinks those are ever a good idea? Here's a bunch of liberals

00:14:03.480 in Hollywood denouncing themselves. Before they are denounced by others, they thought they would do it

00:14:08.480 first.

00:14:09.600 I take responsibility.

00:14:13.100 I take responsibility.

00:14:15.260 I take responsibility.

00:14:18.760 I take responsibility for every unchecked moment, for every time it was easier to ignore than to call

00:14:25.640 it out for what it was, every not so funny joke, every unfair stereotype, every blatant injustice,

00:14:34.140 no matter how big or small, every time I remained silent, every time I explained away police brutality

00:14:41.160 or turned a blind eye.

00:14:44.100 I take responsibility. Black people are being slaughtered in the streets, killed in their own 1.00

00:14:50.980 homes. These are our brothers and sisters, our friends, our family. We are done watching them die. 1.00

00:14:59.040 We are no longer bystanders. We will not be idle. Enough is enough.

00:15:04.280 I will no longer allow an unchecked moment. I will no longer allow racist, hurtful words, jokes,

00:15:10.880 stereotypes, no matter how big or small, to be uttered in my presence.

00:15:17.480 I will not turn a blind eye. Going for a job should not be a death sentence. Sleeping in your own home

00:15:24.800 should not be a death sentence. Playing video games with your nephew should not be a death sentence.

00:15:30.820 Shopping in a store should not be a death sentence. Business as usual should not be life-threatening.

00:15:38.240 I stand against hate. I stand against hate. I stand against hate. I stand against hate. I stand

00:15:46.100 against hate. I will stand against hate in love. I will make my presence known. And killer cops must

00:15:53.680 be prosecuted. They are murderers. We can turn the tide. It is time to take responsibility. Call out hate. 1.00

00:16:04.240 Don't step up. And take action.

00:16:07.760 I listened to that. You know what I thought? I thought, you actually did all those things? You

00:16:11.820 were silent when you heard bigoted comments? You really were a party to all that? Oh my God,

00:16:16.460 you actually are awful people. Seriously. I mean, between Harvey Weinstein pretending he was a 0.99

00:16:21.260 feminist but actually being a serial rapist, and Hollywood's lovies pretending to be woke but now 1.00

00:16:26.280 confessing to all this racism? It's shocking that we look up to them at all. They really are the worst 0.98

00:16:30.640 people. I've never in my entire life, and I've traveled widely, I've never encountered people

00:16:36.060 like that. I mean, other than Justin Trudeau, do you actually know anyone in real life who's worn

00:16:42.520 blackface in that mocking way? So many times that he can't even count. I've been a lot of places,

00:16:48.740 I've never even heard of it. Everyone's just being fired these days, just for good measure.

00:16:54.420 Even on talk shows that are supposed to talk about things. You can't talk about things on talk

00:16:58.740 shows, didn't you know? Look at this. Nigel Farage was fired from his talk show in the UK for

00:17:03.580 criticizing Black Lives Matter. Stockwell Day was sacked from the CBC as an opinion commentator for

00:17:09.720 having the wrong opinions. The corporate boards he was on sacked him too. Not a lot of courage in

00:17:14.680 either place. I mean, if they'll fire Wendy Mesley, they surely wouldn't hesitate to fire the former

00:17:18.800 leader of the Canadian Alliance. Rex Murphy, his fellow staff are trying to get him fired from his own

00:17:26.220 newspaper, his own staff. They say he, quote, certainly should not be allowed to declare that

00:17:31.760 racism is over, nor be given a national platform to do so. And his editors started to throw him under

00:17:37.200 the bus today, putting an editor's note under his column saying it wasn't properly reviewed.

00:17:42.080 Huh. You know, I thought the pages, the opinion pages of a newspaper were for debating things, were for

00:17:48.460 disagreement. Here's a white journalist named Mason Wright. He's the head of the Unifor Union at the

00:17:54.980 Globe and Mail. I say again, he's white. But his letter here is condemning the Globe and Mail's

00:18:00.260 management for being white. He's calling for his white bosses to step down. I'm not sure why he isn't 0.90

00:18:07.840 stepping down himself, though, because as I mentioned, he's white as the boss of the Union. Step aside, 1.00

00:18:15.360 I guess it will fall to someone else to de-platform him. After he de-platforms others,

00:18:19.880 someone will de-platform him like dominoes, I suppose.

00:18:25.160 Ryerson University here in Toronto that has a journalism school here in Toronto now has a petition to take

00:18:30.140 down the statue of Mr. Ryerson because 150 years ago he ran residential schools in Canada. I'd like to

00:18:36.480 show sympathy for Ryerson, but like Jessica Mulroney and Wendy Mesley or the rioter who had that statue fall

00:18:42.860 in his head, it's a little hard to muster the sympathy. I mean, Ryerson teaches grudges and

00:18:48.120 grievances and victimology all day long to its students. Are they surprised when that lesson has

00:18:55.100 been learned? I haven't even begun to cover the list of prominent people who've been cancelled in the

00:19:00.260 past two weeks. There are dozens. Even this week I spoke to a feminist professor at the U of A, 0.73

00:19:06.100 very left-wing woman at a very left-wing school, who says she's about to be sacked. She's certain of it

00:19:11.320 because she believes trans women are not the same as biological women. She's making the J.K. Rowling

00:19:17.160 mistake, the monster of grievance theory of victimology. It's going to eat everything and

00:19:21.900 everyone. Well, not quite everyone yet. Sarah Silverman, the Democratic Party activist and left-wing

00:19:29.840 scold, who actually used to be one of the funniest comedians in Hollywood. Well, she hasn't been fired

00:19:35.260 yet for blackface. I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that she's a Democrat. 0.91

00:19:39.200 Jimmy Kimmel went far beyond blackface. He did the full Trudeau, top-to-bottom black, and then he

00:19:45.800 put on a weird accent, too, just in case you missed it.

00:19:49.040 Yeah! Sometime at night, Karl Malone will look up in the sky and say,

00:19:53.000 what the hell going on up there? Do UFO live on other planets, phoning home like E.T.? Karl Malone

00:20:00.320 will read on TV about white people getting deducted by aliens, sticking all kind of hell up their butt, 1.00

00:20:05.440 and that's a damn thing. That mumbling is a wonderful touch, don't you think? 1.00

00:20:10.280 What an ally he is. Why hasn't he been cancelled? Oh, right. Democrat, right? Here's Joy Behar from

00:20:17.380 The View in blackface. I think she looks rather pretty that way, don't you? Why hasn't she been 1.00

00:20:22.540 cancelled? Oh, right, right, right. She's a Democrat. So I guess not everyone has to worry yet.

00:20:27.940 Hey, you know, apropos of nothing, I've never been to Mount Rushmore. Never been. I think I might try

00:20:35.280 and visit it sooner rather than later, one of these days. Really, really soon, actually. Get that

00:20:41.280 bucket list item done sooner than planned, actually. Just in case. Stay with us for a moment.

00:20:49.780 Welcome back. Well, I have to tell you, ever since I've been tracking the immigration debate in this

00:21:06.520 country, it has been clear the entire time that Canadian public opinion wants less immigration.

00:21:13.900 They absolutely don't want more immigration, and yet every single year they get more immigration. 0.90

00:21:20.460 That's caused a number of problems, but those problems have become more acute

00:21:23.960 during the coronavirus pandemic and the political reaction to it. I showed you this slide the other

00:21:31.040 day. Trevor Tombi, an economist in Alberta, has published what he calls the effective unemployment rate.

00:21:39.240 It's not just people who have completely lost their jobs, but those who have been dramatically

00:21:43.640 scaled back. And the effective unemployment rate for many provinces, including Ontario,

00:21:49.200 is in the high 20% range. That's Great Depression-level unemployment. And yet, despite that,

00:21:58.220 Trudeau appears dead set on bringing in a record number of immigrants, as well as a record number of

00:22:04.780 temporary foreign workers, deliberately bringing in lower-paid foreign workers to

00:22:12.280 undercut the prevailing wage. So what do you think the polls would look like today? They were

00:22:20.660 overwhelming before the pandemic. What are they like now? Well, we don't have to speculate. We can

00:22:28.920 actually check. Our friend Candice Malcolm from True North commissioned a poll, just released it,

00:22:34.900 and I am delighted to welcome her to the show now. Candice, great to see you again.

00:22:38.340 Thanks for having me, Ezra. Well, it is a pleasure. It's always nice to see you. And today you bring

00:22:43.540 with you scientific, statistically valid polling on something that I bet Justin Trudeau is polling

00:22:49.240 about very hard, but certainly not releasing the polls. Why don't you tell us a little bit about how

00:22:53.840 you decided to commission this poll, and then we'll jump into it. Now, there's a lot in here,

00:22:59.140 but you suggested some of the most interesting stuff starts at page five. So we'll do that. But first,

00:23:03.860 give me a little background. Why did you pull the trigger on this poll now?

00:23:08.400 Well, sure, Ezra. I mean, I think I'm like you. I'm always paying attention to public opinion and

00:23:12.740 data on immigration. I'm kind of a nerd when it comes to immigration data, and I like sifting

00:23:16.780 through historic models and looking at recent public opinion. And I was just kind of curious,

00:23:21.440 because there's this idea now that Canadian borders are closed. Justin Trudeau made a big

00:23:26.460 announcement in March saying that they were stopping all non-essential travel from the United States

00:23:30.980 and from the rest of the world. And I think a lot of people have the idea that our borders are closed.

00:23:35.840 Well, they're not. They're only really closed to travelers and tourists. But we've still had

00:23:39.860 large numbers of temporary foreign workers coming into Canada, and immigrants and international students

00:23:45.820 and all kinds of other people coming as well, about half a million since March. So anyway,

00:23:50.700 I was just kind of interested, and I had an opportunity with a friend who's a pollster who was doing

00:23:54.740 another survey. So I just tagged on a couple of questions of our own, trying to find out what Canadians

00:23:59.640 think right now about both immigration levels and temporary foreign worker program, and the idea of doing

00:24:06.600 a total moratorium, what I call a pause, on all immigration. And Ezra, I've never seen anything like it.

00:24:11.560 I've never seen such an overwhelming consensus in agreement of putting a pause on immigration. So 76% of

00:24:18.840 all Canadians polled said, yes, I either strongly agree or moderately agree with the idea that all Canada's immigration

00:24:25.640 programs should be paused until a vaccine is developed for the coronavirus or the coronavirus threat

00:24:30.600 passes, and until the economy recovers and some of those, you know, 20-some percent of Canadians who

00:24:37.160 are out of work get back into the workforce, find their old jobs or create new jobs. And again, I've never

00:24:42.440 seen anything like it. So I think it's definitely interesting, and there's a lot to unpack if we

00:24:46.520 want to go through the demographics.

00:24:47.480 Yeah, it's incredible. I have to say, I'm actually not that surprised. I like to refer to the Angus

00:24:53.080 Reid poll, because he asks questions that are a little bit more prickly than your normal media party

00:24:57.960 pollsters, and his numbers doesn't surprise me. I mean, the number of people who he measures want to

00:25:03.560 increase immigration, which is what Trudeau always proposes, is 4%, if I recall from his last poll. So

00:25:11.000 let's go through yours. I have it here on my screen, and we'll show it at the same time to our viewers at

00:25:15.800 home. There's so much data in here, and this is such a good poll. It's broken down. I just want

00:25:20.520 to tell our viewers, sample size 1,000, margin of error plus or minus 4.4 percent survey in English

00:25:27.000 and French. So it's a quality poll. The whole thing is available at tnc.news. Am I right?

00:25:31.400 Yes, that's right. And the poll was conducted between June 3rd and June 6th.

00:25:36.120 Okay, so it's very recent. Okay, so let's go through it. I'm on page five,

00:25:40.360 and folks can follow along at home. We have it on the screen, or you can go to tnc.news. That's

00:25:45.480 Candace's website. Canada should temporarily pause immigration until a vaccine is developed for

00:25:52.520 coronavirus, and the unemployment rate drops down to pre-coronavirus levels. And you can see

00:25:58.680 for all of Canada, as Candace just said, 76% agree, of whom 46% agree very strongly. Only 7%

00:26:09.640 strongly disagree. That's amazing. And Ezra, that's not lowering numbers, right? That's a complete

00:26:16.680 moratorium, a complete pause on every single immigration program, every single class of

00:26:22.120 immigration, every type of immigration. So again, I don't think that a question like this has really

00:26:27.000 been put to the public. Maybe it has, but never asking so strongly for a pause and to have that.

00:26:32.920 And again, you know, across all regions, it's not just, typically we see more support for a

00:26:38.600 reduction in immigration in places like Alberta and Western Canada, and more openness in places

00:26:43.800 like Quebec, Ontario and Atlantic Canada. But even here, you see, you know, almost 50%, 49% of people

00:26:49.720 in Ontario strongly agree with the idea, and another 28% moderately agree. So you see it across the board,

00:26:56.760 and then when you go over and you look at the difference between men and women, young and old,

00:27:02.600 again, there's just sort of a very broad consensus. Actually, it's interesting, women 0.95

00:27:08.200 were even more in support of this than men. Women between age 35 and 54, sort of middle-aged women,

00:27:15.880 56% strongly agreed and 30% moderately agree. So you got, you know, 86% of women in that middle-aged

00:27:23.640 category saying stop immigration, which is, which is pretty remarkable. 1.00

00:27:27.640 Yeah. I mean, this is an outstanding graph and we're showing it on the screen. We'll put it back

00:27:31.880 up on the screen now. And folks, I encourage you to go to tnc.news just to download it and really

00:27:37.080 look through it slowly. You've broken it down by region, by sex and by age. And I'm looking at all

00:27:43.160 those bars. There's a lot of bars on the screen, but the one that's second to the right, that's what

00:27:48.840 you were talking about there. Women between 35 and 54. Let's call those people moms. 1.00

00:27:54.440 Right. 86%. That's the highest number in the entire demographic mix. I should say,

00:28:03.160 both Ontario and Quebec are exactly the same, 77%. So English Canada, French Canada, this really,

00:28:10.520 I've never seen any question that is unifying, but for moms, moms are saying, get this fixed.

00:28:16.360 Right. And only 1% strongly disagreed. And you have to assume, I mean, I was looking at the data,

00:28:24.680 almost 10 million Canadians have come to this country, have immigrated since 1990. So in the

00:28:29.000 past 30 years. So you have to assume, we didn't include whether or not you're an immigrant, but in

00:28:34.840 my experience, immigrants are often the strongest proponents of cracking down on illegal immigration

00:28:40.440 and lowering immigration levels. And so, you know, you also have to assume that there's probably

00:28:44.360 a representation of newcomers and immigrants who also fall into these categories. And

00:28:49.480 you generally agree with, with all Canadians. Yeah. I want to jump ahead to page eight of the

00:28:54.040 poll because I find this very interesting. This measures by political affiliation. So what do

00:29:00.840 conservative voters think? What do liberal voters think? And you can see there, it won't shock people,

00:29:07.000 that fully 89% of conservatives support the immigration pause. But look at the right-hand side

00:29:16.280 there. That is the Bloc Québécois. And the number there, I'm just quickly adding up to 48%.

00:29:22.120 It's 87.

00:29:23.000 There you go. Wow. That is just unbelievable. And zero percent strongly disagree. The Green Party,

00:29:31.960 that's a tiny little party. They, but even they, 66% want the pause. The NDP,

00:29:38.760 left-wing party, but even they, 65% want the pause. Even the Liberals, 67% of Liberals want

00:29:47.480 a pause. Only 9% of Liberals are strongly against it. That's amazing to me. How, here's the big

00:29:55.160 question that I've always wondered. If men and women, young and old, East and West, Liberal and

00:30:02.360 Conservative, if this, I mean really there is no, there's no one on the other side of this. There's

00:30:07.560 different degrees of ardor. But everyone wants a pause, so how come we're not getting in our political

00:30:12.680 system? Well, I mean, I just want to go back to that one point quickly, because you're 67%. So

00:30:18.120 two thirds of people who cast their ballot for Justin Trudeau just, you know, six months ago,

00:30:22.520 eight months ago in the 2019 federal election, want to stop immigration entirely. So maybe Justin

00:30:28.520 Trudeau should pay attention to that and, and think twice before he, you know, name calls and denigrates

00:30:33.400 and, and calls people racist just because they disagree with him on immigration. And, and Ezra,

00:30:38.440 to the idea of, of, you know, why isn't any political party listening? Well, to the four

00:30:42.840 people running for leader of the Conservative Party, you know, 89% of your party wants a total

00:30:48.440 pause on immigration. That would probably be a good place to start in terms of public policy. I don't 0.96

00:30:53.720 think any of those Conservatives from, from my reading, have the courage to go ahead and say

00:31:00.040 something else. I know Maxine Bernier is pretty on board. He was sharing the survey and tweeting it out.

00:31:04.840 But interestingly, Ezra, if you look back at Canadian history, if you go back to the past,

00:31:09.400 you know, 150 years of immigration numbers, which Statistics Canada records all the way back to 1850,

00:31:15.800 what you see is, is sort of peaks and valleys on a graph in terms of the immigration intake. So,

00:31:21.960 you know, we had years where we'd let in a whole bunch of people, hundreds of thousands of people

00:31:25.880 coming into Canada. And then that would always be followed by a period where the numbers would just go

00:31:30.440 all the way down. And whether that was during a war or during an economic crisis, there'd be

00:31:34.600 four or five years where next to no one was allowed into Canada, and that would give us an opportunity

00:31:39.720 to, you know, integrate newcomers for them to get used to life in Canada and to form a Canadian

00:31:45.080 identity. But for the last 30 years, since 1990, we've just had a sustained growth every year,

00:31:50.440 more and more and more, starting at 200,000. Now we're up to 350,000 new permanent residents a year.

00:31:56.360 I think Canadians are saying, hey, you know, let's go back to historically what has made Canada

00:32:01.560 successful in terms of immigration, which is taking breaks every now and then. Now,

00:32:05.320 right now is a perfect opportunity to take a break from immigration, to focus on our economy,

00:32:10.520 you know, focus on getting past the coronavirus threat, focus on making sure that newcomers who have 1.00

00:32:15.720 come have the services they need and feel like they're integrated members of the community.

00:32:20.680 And then, you know, maybe a couple of years from now, we can talk about it again. But I think right now,

00:32:24.280 Ezra is a really good opportunity for any political party to capitalize on this sentiment

00:32:29.320 and make a responsible immigration change.

00:32:32.200 Yeah. You know, in the last election, I mean, I should tell you that the last

00:32:36.440 interview I ever had with Andrew Scheer was about immigration. And I was pretty friendly. He came

00:32:42.760 into our studio. One of our co-founders, Hamish Marshall, was actually Andrew Scheer's campaign

00:32:48.520 manager. So we're very, very friendly. Andrew Scheer came in to our office and I started to say,

00:32:54.040 OK, and I was too friendly because I was excited he was there and, you know, I didn't want to be

00:32:59.640 rough with him. But I said, what what is the level of immigration you want? And I said, do you have any

00:33:05.560 views on the on the nature of immigration? I wasn't being pushy. I just wanted to pin him down.

00:33:10.440 I just want to show you a quick excerpt of that. I asked him five different ways and he refused to

00:33:17.000 answer five different times. You take a look at this. McCallum has said he's going to jack up the

00:33:21.800 numbers probably by 100,000. Do you oppose that? Well, what's that based on? You know, I don't know.

00:33:26.200 Yeah. So if it's not based on something logical or coherent, then I think it's just a political

00:33:30.840 target aimed at, you know, to trying to win over a segment of the electorate. I'm not going to

00:33:36.280 do that. One of the constraints. Are you against that? Well, I am against a policy that just

00:33:42.680 throws a number out for shock value to work for to try to gain attention. I want our immigration

00:33:47.560 policy to be be based on what the needs of the economy are, what the needs of our society. And

00:33:52.040 then let's arrive at a number. I don't know why he was afraid of it. But from that moment onwards,

00:33:56.520 he never actually said what his immigration level was until literally days before the election.

00:34:03.000 He didn't put it in his election platform. And then he was pressured into blurting something out

00:34:08.760 on a CBC town hall here. Remember, take a look at this. But you still didn't give a number and you

00:34:13.400 would have to set a target as government. That's part of your job is to set a government. So if a

00:34:18.520 level. So if the target right now is 350,000 immigrants by 2021, is that about what you're

00:34:23.800 looking at? I think that's reasonable. Yeah. And again, as long as that's coming from

00:34:28.040 from facts, from evidence, from a look at the situation and an understanding.

00:34:32.280 He literally just caved into the CBC and said, yeah, whatever, Justin Trudeau, I'm the same.

00:34:37.160 Candace, I have to say, you can choose a number and make the case for that number. And it doesn't

00:34:42.920 even have to be zero, which is what your poll shows. But the cowardliness there, it's not winning

00:34:49.560 over the open borders crowd. It's, I don't know, I just don't know why conservatives were afraid of it.

00:34:55.480 The one politician in Canada who stood on this issue, well, he happens to be the new premier

00:35:00.840 of Quebec, one of the most popular premiers in the country because of it. Sorry, I'm on a rant here.

00:35:05.400 But boy, this, if I was a conservative and wanted to win, this is pretty much half the battle.

00:35:10.200 Right. I think conservatives are just, I shouldn't say all conservatives. I think someone like Andrew

00:35:14.280 Scheer was just timid of upsetting the sort of elite political consensus on immigration, which Ezra has

00:35:20.360 always been that all immigration is good and therefore more immigration is always better.

00:35:26.120 But, but it's, it's so easy to make the case for the opposite. And it does require some political

00:35:31.320 courage to, you know, stand up to the Rosemary Bartons and the CBCs of the world and say, look,

00:35:36.680 just because it's what is, what's been happening for 30 years doesn't necessarily mean it's good for

00:35:41.560 the country. Even if you look, you know, the year that Justin Trudeau was elected, 2015,

00:35:46.360 Canada's immigration levels was about 250,000. Right now it's 350,000. So even for Andrew Scheer to

00:35:53.000 just say, look, no, we'd go back to what the levels were under the last conservative government,

00:35:56.760 that would be an easy enough question and it would probably pass the elite consensus on immigration

00:36:01.320 test. But, but he didn't even have the courage to do that, which I think is part of the reason why

00:36:05.320 he's not prime minister today. But again, I want to emphasize the fact that this is an opportunity for

00:36:10.200 conservatives, for a courageous conservative politician in this country to take an issue that has such

00:36:15.800 overwhelming consensus of support and push back a little bit against that mainstream

00:36:20.760 narrative on immigration. Yeah. You know, there's a few things out there where the people are all on

00:36:25.000 one side and the elites are all on the wrong side. Omar Khadr is a perfect example. All of official

00:36:30.920 Ottawa love the payout. They love the public apology. Normal Canadians said, you did what? And there's a few

00:36:37.800 issues every now and then where the, the, all the elites are completely on the wrong side. And this

00:36:44.600 is absolutely one of them. And your poll proves it. Listen, I've kept you very long here. Candace,

00:36:48.440 it's great to see you as always. We're super fans of yours and your whole team. And I've said it many

00:36:53.720 times. So let me say it again. If you are a subscriber and supporter of Rebel News, I think not only would you

00:37:00.600 be interested in what Candace and her team does at tnc.news, but frankly, if I may say so, it behooves

00:37:08.840 all of us to support like-minded, independent-minded journalists. Frankly, even if you don't even go to

00:37:15.560 the site, may I invite you to show your support for one of the few independent websites out there,

00:37:22.120 tnc.news. Of course, they're great anyways. But anytime I see a conservative author or conservative

00:37:27.880 website, I feel a moral obligation to subscribe because if we don't, who will? Because like us,

00:37:34.120 Candace doesn't take a dime from Trudeau. How's it going over there, by the way? We love Andrew

00:37:38.440 Lawton. He's got his new show. You got Anthony Feary. You got a great group of guys and gals.

00:37:42.760 Give us a quick update of how tnc.news is going. Well, sure. And as I really appreciate that plug,

00:37:48.760 and I think, you know, we feel the same way about the rebel and our friends over there. You guys are

00:37:52.440 always doing great work and really pushing the important issues, showing the hypocrisy of the Trudeau

00:37:57.480 government. And I think our supporters really appreciate that. So tnc.news, it's a website

00:38:03.960 that provides sort of conservative opinion podcasts. We do daily videos as well. And then we also have a

00:38:10.360 news section. So it provides sort of fact-based news stories that don't have the spin and the sort of

00:38:17.560 left-wing official talking points that the mainstream media pushes out. So we just try to provide sort of

00:38:23.720 the other side of the story, very similar to the rebel, but we do a lot of written news articles.

00:38:28.760 So check it out, tnc.news. We also do a lot of other things like, you know, we have a speaker series,

00:38:34.680 so we do long form interviews and podcasts and stuff like that. And I think very similarly to the rebel,

00:38:41.640 the idea is just that there's so many issues in Canada that the media and elite opinion is all on

00:38:47.800 one side and so many Canadians fall on the other. You know, you mentioned Omar Khadr. I thought of

00:38:52.840 another one, you know, the kneecap, when women coming from parts of the Middle East where they're 1.00

00:38:58.040 forced to wear face coverings and they wanted to wear face coverings even during Canadian citizenship

00:39:02.920 ceremonies. The polling on that issue was wild. It was like 98 percent of Canadians opposed it. And yet,

00:39:09.080 you know, all of the media and all the political parties took the other side. So there are a lot of

00:39:13.640 issues like that in Canada, Ezra, and I think it's so important for groups like True North and the

00:39:18.840 rebel to be pushing back against the sort of groupthink, cancel culture, nonsense narrative

00:39:24.520 that comes from the mainstream media. Yeah. I mean, literally today as we speak, I see

00:39:28.760 that the National Post is throwing Rex Murphy under the bus. They haven't fired him yet,

00:39:33.000 but they published a humiliating editor's note under his column saying they didn't properly edit him

00:39:38.440 when he said Canada is not systemically racist. I fear for anyone remaining in the mainstream media,

00:39:45.160 it's such a dangerous place if you think differently. Candace, I'll let you go because

00:39:49.960 I've kept you so long. Thank you for being so generous with your time. I really recommend this

00:39:54.360 poll for people because it proves what we sort of instinctively knew. And it's compelling. I would

00:40:02.120 hope a conservative politician takes it and runs with it. Take care, my friend. We'll look forward to

00:40:05.480 talking to you again soon. All right. Thanks, Ezra. Take care. Right on. There you have it. Candace

00:40:09.560 Malcolm. She's the boss at TNC.news, also called True North. All right. Stay with us. More ahead.

00:40:24.040 On my monologue last night, Paul writes, it's become pretty obvious to anyone paying attention

00:40:28.280 that the Chinese Communist government owns the Liberal Party of Canada, using them to destroy us. 1.00

00:40:32.360 Owns. You know, that's a metaphor. But when they actually own, by virtue of a mortgage,

00:40:40.920 two of the foreign minister's houses, it's actually literally true. Gary writes, regardless of whether

00:40:47.880 the foreign minister lied about his mortgage, he should never be a cabinet minister and own money

00:40:51.720 to a foreign government. This is like so many others in Trudeau government that have conflicts

00:40:55.080 of interest, which has made decisions based on personal interest and not Canadian interest. Well,

00:40:59.640 yeah. I mean, as I cited yesterday, there are so many banks in London. I think it's probably more

00:41:06.520 banks in London than anywhere in the world. I think. And they're ranked by how much mortgage

00:41:12.760 business they do measured by the value of their combined mortgages. And the Bank of China is ranked

00:41:19.080 not in the top 10, not in the top 20, 30, 40, it's ranked 53rd. They do 0.1% of the mortgage business in

00:41:26.520 London. You didn't stumble across them, but you didn't start your way and work down.

00:41:33.000 And don't tell me that a millionaire businessman working for a billionaire company in London

00:41:37.240 has trouble getting a mortgage. I don't believe it. I'm just not that dumb.

00:41:41.560 On my interview with Professor Lowry, Billy writes, I'm impressed in Ms. Lowry's support for

00:41:45.720 Rebel News inclusion with other media outlets. And above all, her bravery in accepting an interview

00:41:49.560 with you, Ezra. It's rare to see both sides come together in a common cause, especially these days

00:41:53.720 when there's so much hate towards people of different opinions. Kudos to you, Ms. Lowry.

00:41:58.680 Yeah. I didn't want to quarrel with her about the substance of what she said. I mean,

00:42:03.480 I would do that another day if that was the subject. I mean, we disagreed on some feminist issues, 1.00

00:42:08.360 on academia. She wanted to talk about Israel or something. But that wasn't why we had her on the

00:42:15.800 show. We talked to her on the show about the censorship mob that's coming for her at the 0.75

00:42:19.880 university. So I didn't really want to engage on the substance. And you know what I offered her,

00:42:24.680 and I meant it. If she gets in trouble at a university, absolutely we'll crowdfund her legal

00:42:29.080 offense. Absolutely. You know, we have to set the precedent. We have to build up a jurisprudence

00:42:35.240 that you can't sack someone for the wrong opinion. And these days it's usually conservatives who are

00:42:41.160 being sacked. The funny thing is she would be regarded as radical leftist just five years ago. 0.95

00:42:47.400 But now transgenderism is the radical, and she's the ultra-conservative who says,

00:42:53.160 no, women are women. Isn't that crazy? Her point of view five, ten years ago was as radical, 1.00

00:42:59.480 cutting edge as anything. Now she's the dinosaur like J.K. Rowling. Unbelievable.

00:43:05.240 Well, that's our show for today and for the week. Until next time,

00:43:08.120 on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, see you at home. Good night.

00:43:11.160 Keep fighting for freedom.

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Rebel News Podcast - June 13, 2020

First Wendy Mesley, now Jessica Mulroney： Leftist cancel culture is devouring its own

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