Rebel News Podcast - July 09, 2019


“For the first time in my life, I’m worried about anti-Semitism” in Canada — after United Church welcomes pro-terrorist group


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Why did the United Church of Canada allow a terrorist support group to hold a party in their facility honoring a terrorist? And why did the church allow it to be held in a prominent downtown Toronto church? Ezra Levant explains why.

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00:00:00.000 Hello, podcasters. Today, I talk about the United Church in Canada, which I suppose they
00:00:06.040 have a lot of Unite, but they don't have a lot of church left in them. They were going
00:00:10.120 to have a party for a Muslim terrorist murderer. They're going to celebrate his life. I'll 1.00
00:00:15.840 tell you a little bit more about that. Before I do, can you do me a favor and go to the
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00:00:50.740 Tonight, why did the United Church of Canada let a terrorist support group host an event
00:00:56.660 on their premises? It's July 8th, and this is the Ezra Levant Show.
00:01:02.420 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?
00:01:06.180 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.
00:01:10.240 The only thing I have to say to the government of a wire publisher is because it's my bloody right
00:01:15.400 to do so.
00:01:20.740 A major United Church in downtown Toronto agreed to let their facility be used to celebrate
00:01:28.940 a Muslim terrorist. I'm not exaggerating or embellishing or giving my opinion. For this 1.00
00:01:35.320 news, I couldn't rely on Trudeau's CBC state broadcaster. I had to learn about it from the
00:01:40.960 foreign media, which of course is more independent. I have to learn a lot of things about Canada
00:01:45.820 from the foreign media. That's what happens when Justin Trudeau rents out Canadian journalists
00:01:50.740 for $600 million in a media bailout. You just can't trust them to tell you the real news
00:01:56.460 anymore. So here's what the Jerusalem Post reports. They said,
00:02:00.580 B'nai B'rith Canada slams church for assisting event honoring PFLP terrorists. Churches should 1.00
00:02:07.900 be places of peace, not places where violence and or terror are glorified.
00:02:12.120 B'nai B'rith, of course, refers to a Jewish service group. It's sort of like the Jewish
00:02:17.340 Rotary Club. And let me read a little bit from the story for you.
00:02:21.940 B'nai B'rith Canada has condemned a decision by Toronto's Trinity St. Paul's United Church to
00:02:27.040 provide a space for an event that honors Gasson Canafani, a designated popular front for the
00:02:33.900 liberation of Palestine terrorists. The event being hosted by the Palestinian Youth Movement
00:02:39.600 on July 13 is listed as the Gasson Canafani Resistance Arts Scholarship Launch.
00:02:48.500 Here, see for yourself, this is the Canadian government's official list of banned terrorist
00:02:53.320 entities. Scroll down a bit, you can see the PFLP right on there, same as the Taliban or Al-Qaeda.
00:03:02.220 So let me read about this exciting event. According to PYM's Facebook invitation, the event will
00:03:08.260 be an evening of spoken word, music and food to celebrate the artistic and cultural contributions
00:03:13.700 of Palestinians in the diaspora and showcase the winners of the Gasson Canafani Resistance Arts
00:03:19.360 Scholarship in this year's anthology entitled, We Feel a Country in Our Bones. Canafani and the PFLP
00:03:26.180 were responsible for the Laud Airport Massacre in May 1972 that left 26 civilians dead, including a
00:03:33.580 Canadian, 17 Christian pilgrims from Puerto Rico and eight Israelis and injured 80 others. At the time
00:03:41.000 of the terror attack, Canafani was a spokesman for the terrorist group. So a massacre of 26 people,
00:03:48.020 wounding 80 more, killing Jews and Christians, even a Canadian. It would be bad enough if this were hosted 0.86
00:03:54.400 in a mosque, of course, but it wouldn't be as surprising. But for this to be hosted in one of
00:04:01.560 Toronto's most prominent downtown churches, well, that's my point, isn't it? For the first time in my
00:04:06.580 life, I'm actually worried about the normalization of anti-Semitism in Canada. I don't think it's ever
00:04:12.560 been a real problem in Canada. I'm in Toronto, a city that has had three Jewish mayors in the past 50 1.00
00:04:18.360 years. Montreal, Winnipeg, Edmonton, all the Jewish mayors. I think that's a good test because a mayor is 0.96
00:04:23.700 sort of the closest, most intimate political office. You really need to be known around town
00:04:29.140 and win on your own name and reputation, as opposed to just being on a party ticket nationally
00:04:34.640 or provincially where people just vote for a party, or let alone being appointed to the Supreme Court
00:04:40.120 or wherever, where Jews have long been disproportionate. My point is, Canada is Jew-friendly,
00:04:44.460 not just in the elite circles of this country, but in the grassroots. There have never been pogroms
00:04:49.700 in Canada. I think it's just about the friendliest place in the world to be a Jew. I mean, this guy,
00:04:54.860 look at this good egg. Harry Viner, he was elected mayor of Medicine Hat, Alberta in 1952,
00:05:02.040 and re-elected again and again. What a country. I'm aware of the fact that there has been some forms
00:05:08.360 of discrimination in the past. For example, until the 1960s, McGill University had a maximum quota
00:05:14.420 for the number of Jews who could apply to certain faculties. But that's fancy McGill, 0.96
00:05:19.720 which was once an elite institution. I should say that same sort of racial cap or racial quota 0.75
00:05:26.840 system, it happens now. In both Canada and the United States, now it's affirmative action for
00:05:31.860 certain racial groups and a hard maximum cap on Asian students like they did to the Jews. 0.97
00:05:38.120 So what's happening now at Harvard in 2019 is about the worst that happened in Canada 50 years ago.
00:05:45.140 Anyways, the new anti-Semitism that I have never seen before in my life
00:05:48.840 is stoked by Muslim extremists being imported to our country who have not been de-radicalized 0.98
00:05:54.180 before being permitted to come here. In fact, we make no inquiries at all
00:05:57.860 of the ideological or belief systems of our immigrants today. We do some cursory criminal 1.00
00:06:03.500 background checks on migrants, I think, as if there is a reliable central police registry for
00:06:09.500 criminals in failed states like Somalia or Syria. What a laugh. But even if someone has not committed
00:06:15.440 a crime, let alone terrorism, if they generally hate Jews, as is the norm in many Muslim cultures,
00:06:23.340 why are we surprised when that age-old hatred is transplanted here? Did you think mass immigration 0.98
00:06:28.180 from Muslim countries, unvetted for hatred, would only result in, what, a lot of shawarma shops?
00:06:35.580 Do you think that would be the only cultural gift brought to us? But like in the UK, the sheer numbers
00:06:41.660 of anti-Semitic Muslims has come to the attention of leftist radicals. Over there in the UK, Jeremy Corbyn
00:06:48.060 and other deep leftists never really much like Jews. So the fact that Corbyn's own inherent
00:06:54.400 anti-Semitism is no longer a matter of embarrassment now, but rather a ticket to massive
00:06:58.860 political support from many Muslims, that means that Jeremy Corbyn can be open about what was once
00:07:04.360 a prejudice he had to keep hidden. I mean, for God's sakes, look at this. The man literally posed
00:07:09.480 in front of a Hezbollah terrorist flag. You can make out that there's a machine gun on it. You can see
00:07:14.820 that. There is an exodus of Jews from the Labour Party right now. MPs are quitting, members are quitting,
00:07:22.080 but for every Jew that leaves, a dozen Muslims join. Corbyn doesn't care. He thinks it's great 0.93
00:07:28.940 advertising. He's done the math. Here's an official report by the UK government. Look at those stats.
00:07:34.420 There are about 330,000 Jews in the UK, and there are about 3.3 million Muslims, almost exactly 10 times
00:07:42.660 the number. Corbyn can count. He likes these anti-Semitism scandals in his party. They're not
00:07:49.460 scandals. They're free advertising for him. That's the United Kingdom, as I always say. It's my personal
00:07:54.940 dystopian time machine where I can see our future in a few years. I'm quite sure that Corbyn and the
00:08:01.580 left would never indulge their anti-Semitism were it not for the changing demographics of their
00:08:05.880 country. It's being unlocked in the left in their alliance with radical Islam. Well, same here in 0.99
00:08:11.340 Canada. I mean, check out the church in question, the Trinity St. Paul's Church. Here's their website.
00:08:17.440 Let me save you the time. There are 1,600 words on the main page of the website. I counted.
00:08:26.440 And I spent some time reading it and doing searches for words. I should tell you the words Jesus and
00:08:32.300 Christ do not appear on this page at all. The word climate does appear several times. That gives you
00:08:39.700 an idea of what this church is about. The church is led by Sherry DeNovo, a former left-wing politician.
00:08:45.680 No surprise. I don't know if you can make it out. It's sort of faint here. Her biography, as you can
00:08:51.820 see right here on the page, actually has nothing to do with theology or her education or experience
00:08:58.280 as a religious minister. It's her experience as a gay rights activist. And if you scroll down to the
00:09:03.800 very next section, still nothing on Christianity or Jesus, but you can see it's about climate justice,
00:09:09.980 it's about global warming. They're talking about divesting from oil and gas. Scroll down a little
00:09:14.300 more and you can see their urgent warning about, you see that on the left-hand side there,
00:09:19.800 about a climate crisis, declare a climate crisis. And just a little bit lower down,
00:09:25.380 I know you wouldn't believe me if I didn't show you. So do you see that there? I'm sorry,
00:09:30.480 I missed the event, but on, you know, I guess my calendar was busy or something. But on May 26th,
00:09:36.760 they had a blessing of the bicycles. I am not even kidding. I am not even kidding. They blessed
00:09:45.320 the bicycles. I'm not sure why you need the United Church, you know. If you already have the NDP or the
00:09:50.100 Green Party, I mean, really, what's the difference? I guess maybe the church gets a better tax receipt
00:09:55.260 if they call themselves a church than just the NDP. But hey, who am I to judge their religion? I don't
00:10:00.120 even think they use that word, religion. It's too, you know, religious. But my point in showing you how
00:10:06.060 woke they are, especially how gay-friendly they are, is surely they know that the punishment for 1.00
00:10:13.820 homosexuality in Islam is death. Surely they know that. And that's not just some ancient dry text.
00:10:21.000 That's how it rolls today. Surely they know that today, gays are routinely killed throughout the
00:10:26.200 Muslim world, hanged in places like Iran, stoned in places like Afghanistan, regularly murdered
00:10:31.900 in honor killings by their own family. Even in slightly more modern places like the West Bank
00:10:37.220 and the Gaza Strip, there are hundreds of gay Palestinians, you know, who flee into Israel.
00:10:44.940 They live in Tel Aviv as gay refugees, literally in fear of their lives if they go back to the West Bank.
00:10:49.960 You might recall, I don't know if you know this, but we actually broadcast a documentary on the
00:10:55.200 subject of gay Palestinians who are in Tel Aviv. The documentary is called Shuns. We actually had
00:11:02.180 the world premiere on YouTube. Very interesting video. My point is, obviously, Muslim terrorists, 1.00
00:11:09.080 they kill gays. Actually, they don't even call that terrorism over there. That's just
00:11:14.300 Sharia law. That's just honor killing. It's not even normal terrorism. That's entire countries 0.92
00:11:19.820 over there. And the gayest church in Canada says, hey guys, no problem. Yeah, rent out our room to 1.00
00:11:26.440 celebrate an Islamic terrorist murderer. Fill your boots. I don't get it. Why? I mean, at least 1.00
00:11:33.060 Jeremy Corbyn gets votes out of it. But what's Trinity St. Paul's United Church excuse? Do they
00:11:39.480 think these Muslim extremists are going to convert and join the church? Maybe get gay married in the
00:11:45.420 church? I don't even see the math there. Other than the United Church maybe sees Islamists as a
00:11:50.200 temporary ally to help them destroy and undermine the traditions of the West, including Christian 1.00
00:11:54.920 traditions, by the way. Do they think a Sharia-compliant Canada will be gentle with their 1.00
00:12:00.040 own causes? Gay rights, feminism, transgenderism, climatism. Now, literally halfway through when I was
00:12:08.500 writing this commentary, I got an email from the Jewish Defense League, actually, that under pressure,
00:12:16.000 the United Church buckled and canceled the booking, just today apparently, but only after pressure,
00:12:22.080 and not from mainstream groups. I didn't see any MPs or, you know, blue-chip lobby groups complain.
00:12:30.020 B'nai B'rith is a little bit conservative, and they raised the fuss. And that email was from the JDL,
00:12:34.440 the Jewish Defense League. They're a little bit tougher. They remind me of, you know, in New York
00:12:39.420 City, they have the Guardian Angels. It was a group that formed in the 70s and 80s when that city was
00:12:46.100 full of crime and the politicians and police wouldn't do anything about it. They just sort of
00:12:51.120 citizen patrols. I think that's what the JDL are like. That's what we have here. The fancy people, 1.00
00:12:55.880 the official people, well, they don't want to make a fuss about it. The opposite. They're only too happy
00:13:01.040 to rent out rooms to terrorists for celebrations. Now, Justin Trudeau has himself said there's
00:13:07.420 literally no mosque in Canada that is too extreme for him to campaign in. He is completely unrepentant. 0.80
00:13:14.440 He can do the math. And I think it's creeping into Andrew Scheer's Conservative Party, too.
00:13:19.080 That guy on the left there with the beard but no mustache, that's Omar Subedar. His claim to fame
00:13:25.420 is teaching Muslim men here in Canada the proper way to beat their wives. He has this whole sermon 1.00
00:13:31.220 on wife beating. I'm not kidding. We've done shows on that before, as you know. But unfortunately,
00:13:36.060 Andrew Scheer has no time for other sorts of Muslims, like our friend Selene Mansour,
00:13:40.720 who is a thoughtful, moderate Muslim professor who speaks out against jihadist extremism. Yeah,
00:13:46.800 the United Church is terrible. It calls for boycotts of Israel along with boycotting fossil fuels.
00:13:53.180 And it was happy to give a room in its own facility to celebrate a terrorist murderer who killed not
00:13:58.020 just Jews, but Christian pilgrims, too. That church has finally been shamed into canceling their booking
00:14:05.820 this time. But it won't be long before we get to the tipping point where the United Kingdom is now,
00:14:14.260 where the sheer number of anti-Semites is just so large, and their social acceptance is so great that,
00:14:20.480 yeah, they'll have their terrorist celebrations any bloody place they please. And our country's
00:14:27.020 Jeremy Corbyns will be only too happy to pose in front of terrorist flags here, too.
00:14:33.860 Stay with us for more.
00:14:34.660 Welcome back. Well, immigration is back in the news big time. I put it to you, it never really
00:14:52.840 left the news. You might recall a few months ago when the Liberal Party of Canada's Ontario caucus had
00:14:58.840 their strategic retreat. Their number one issue they said they were spontaneously asked about
00:15:04.520 on the Hustings was immigration. In the United States, it's the same, too. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
00:15:11.900 went to a photo op at an immigration detention facility that was widely circulated and then widely
00:15:20.160 panned when it appeared there was no one there other than Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and her coterie
00:15:25.600 of photographers. Well, what about here in Canada? What is the latest with the surge of undocumented 1.00
00:15:32.980 illegal immigrants simply walking across the border from New York State into Quebec at Roxham
00:15:40.960 Road? There's something called a Safe Third Country Agreement by which Canada and the United States say,
00:15:47.060 well, if someone's coming from the other one of our countries, by definition, they can't be a refugee.
00:15:51.180 Well, that has not been followed. And in fact, close to 50,000 people have simply walked across
00:15:58.220 that border in the last couple of years. But we have some news on that. The first piece of news
00:16:04.040 is that the number of illegals who have been deported is shockingly low. According to one document,
00:16:11.740 the Canadian Border Services Agency removed just 723 people over a two-year period. As I said,
00:16:21.880 50,000 have walked across. And we have another piece of news about the plan by the Liberal government
00:16:27.040 to redistribute where these migrants are being housed. Joining us now to correct my errors and help us
00:16:34.440 understand things is our friend Giddy Mammon, a longtime immigration and refugee lawyer at Mammon,
00:16:41.080 Sandaluk and Kingwell. Giddy, great to see you again. We rely on you to bring your expertise and
00:16:48.460 frankly, to correct us when we're wrong, because I get revved up about this issue. And I know you have
00:16:54.540 tremendous experience. We look to you as the authoritative expert.
00:16:58.580 Well, thank you, Ezra. I'm happy to be here.
00:17:00.420 Well, thank you for that. Let's talk about the first question, which is how many of these
00:17:05.300 walk-across-the-border folks have been deported or sent home? According to the latest stats I've seen,
00:17:14.180 just 723 people out of the 50,000 have been sent home since 2017. What do you think that means?
00:17:20.400 Well, it just underscores how much work this refugee movement, how much it takes to process one of 1.00
00:17:35.020 these cases. You've got 50,000 people. Two years later, only 723 have gone through the process.
00:17:42.900 Imagine how many years it's going to take to clear this group of people that we have right now,
00:17:50.660 assuming not one person more comes. But of course, that's just not an assumption that you can make.
00:17:56.360 We're going to continue to see people at what levels will depend on what's happening in the
00:18:00.120 United States and what happens in our upcoming election. But we are already about, you know,
00:18:06.280 49,000 behind two years later. So somebody has to figure out what we're going to do. It looks like
00:18:17.160 to me the only solution is to hire a lot more full-time permanent border officers to process this
00:18:27.120 and more refugee judges, more hearing officers, or else these waiting periods are just going to get to
00:18:34.320 the point where you cannot send them home because they've been here for so long that they deserve
00:18:39.600 to remain here on humanitarian grounds, even though their refugee claims may have not been successful.
00:18:46.980 But something has to happen because obviously 700 out of 50,000 is not a very, it doesn't show us that
00:18:54.480 this is a very effective system at all. You know, Giddy, a lot of factors go into any election result,
00:19:01.200 but I think it's pretty clear that the government of Quebec won in part by its statements on
00:19:09.220 immigration, that they want to reduce their number of immigrants by 20%. And they also took a parallel
00:19:15.520 approach on burqas and other religious manifestations in the civil service. I think those two issues are
00:19:23.220 linked. And I think that it's very interesting that Justin Trudeau has not demonized the premier of
00:19:29.920 Quebec in the same way he would probably characterize someone in a different province for similar points
00:19:37.380 of view. I guess my question is this, do you think that Justin Trudeau is, what do you think his
00:19:45.900 approach is to public reaction to the open borders approach, especially there at Roxham Road? He seems to
00:19:53.320 be fairly careful about criticizing Quebecers who are mad about it, but he calls anyone in the rest of
00:19:59.900 the country, well, he usually calls them xenophobic or Islamophobic. That's my observation. What do you
00:20:04.400 think?
00:20:05.280 I think it's, you know, I hate to sound so cynical, but it's all about the politics. I think Justin Trudeau
00:20:12.780 maybe meant well. I'm not so sure, but he obviously tried to outdo the Conservatives and the NDP when he made promises
00:20:23.220 of landing 25,000 people in a couple of months, which is unheard of. So I give him a little bit of credit for
00:20:32.860 some humanitarian feelings that he might have had. A lot of it had to go to wanting to win the election against
00:20:40.120 Stephen Harper. The ban in Quebec, in my view, is a terrible idea. I don't think people should be required to
00:20:50.680 shed their religious garb because they're working for the government. But that's something that I expect, I would 1.00
00:20:57.120 normally expect someone like Justin Trudeau to come out very forcefully against. I haven't heard that. I haven't
00:21:06.200 heard and criticized the government of Quebec one bit over this thing. Maybe he has, I just don't know
00:21:12.540 about it. But it underscores the fact that he is behaving in a very political way. On the one hand,
00:21:20.660 he wants the immigrant vote. On the other hand, he cannot afford to alienate a very strong liberal base
00:21:27.080 in Quebec. And so I think what he's doing is sucking and blowing at the same time. You know,
00:21:33.800 he wants to be friendly with the ethnic communities, but he doesn't want to take on Quebec when they're 0.99
00:21:41.340 being very unfriendly to those ethnic communities. Unfortunately, the immigration portfolio is a very,
00:21:48.040 very highly politicized portfolio. It's very difficult for politicians to remain principled on this and
00:21:55.480 to talk common sense all the time because there's so many emotions wrapped up in immigration.
00:22:03.160 My theory is that this Quebec ban on religious symbols in the public service is a desperate
00:22:10.220 reaction to the open borders, especially not just the Syrian wave that came over three,
00:22:16.260 four years ago, but this Roxham road. I mean, it's sort of laughable that someone from the United 1.00
00:22:21.980 States. I mean, I think it strikes so many Canadians as unbelievable, as incredible that you could be
00:22:28.940 coming from America and pleading refugee status. And my theory about that burka ban is that it's the 0.78
00:22:36.360 only thing Quebecers feel like they could do because the feds control the border. They're not enforcing
00:22:42.660 it. So what can Quebecers who are furious about this do? Well, maybe they can try some backdoor way
00:22:48.460 of pushing back the tide. I think that if we had strong borders and a lawful process that screened
00:22:55.560 out bogus applicants, I think Canadians would feel a lot warmer to minorities who are newcomers. I just 1.00
00:23:03.260 think, frankly, Trudeau's showy generosity to everyone in the world has backfired by creating anger
00:23:13.200 towards those newcomers. I think it's been counterproductive. 1.00
00:23:16.940 He miscalculated very badly. He had no idea, absolutely no idea what he was doing when he
00:23:23.560 sent out that tweet saying that we welcome everybody. I was talking about the point of view of Justin
00:23:29.580 Trudeau. Now that you raise the point of Quebec's point of view, I agree with you. Remember, when people
00:23:35.380 used to come across the border into Quebec a few years, a couple of years ago, the Quebec people were
00:23:41.700 thrilled. The government was thrilled. They're getting all these immigrants coming to Quebec and 1.00
00:23:45.560 that's exactly what they wanted until they realized what social strain there was going to be on the
00:23:52.180 Quebec government, on social services in Quebec. And you're right. They now are in a position where
00:23:58.960 they've taken a welcoming approach. Now I think that approach is a lot colder. That welcome is a lot
00:24:07.300 colder. And maybe you're right. Maybe this ban is designed to tell people who are coming through
00:24:15.360 Roxham Road, look, we've kind of had enough and we just don't need any more of you folks.
00:24:21.000 You may be right on that. But I remember very distinctly, Ezra, at the beginning of this thing,
00:24:25.340 they were delighted to receive so much attention in Quebec until they realized, on the one hand,
00:24:31.540 how many people were coming. And on the other hand, how many were just using Quebec as a roadway to the
00:24:40.400 401, where most of them come to Ontario, into Toronto, after having used Quebec as an entry point.
00:24:47.500 So I think maybe there is some truth to what you're saying about this ban and its origin.
00:24:52.440 Well, I mean, I'm more sympathetic to the Burka ban than you are. I believe in the separation of 1.00
00:24:57.180 mosque and state, certainly for the full face obscuring. Oh yeah, that's a different issue.
00:25:02.120 The full face thing is a whole different issue. But let me, go ahead, sorry, make your point, sorry.
00:25:06.840 Yeah, I don't think that somebody who wears a kippah, somebody who covers their hair,
00:25:11.560 should be, for religious reasons, should be told that they can't work for the government,
00:25:16.180 they can't represent people fairly. I think that's going way too far. But that's what they've
00:25:23.100 decided. That's, you know, I guess that'll have to be tested in the courts eventually,
00:25:28.720 and we'll see who got it right. Let me ask you about one more news story. And I see this in global
00:25:33.220 news, but I know it's reported elsewhere as well. The feds have quietly stopped their attempt
00:25:41.600 to spread out those border crossers from Roxham Road. Quebec really objected that they were being, 0.98
00:25:49.680 you know, that their social services were taxed. And so the federal government basically said,
00:25:54.360 well, we'll ship them to Toronto. And then Toronto's mayor said, whoa, what are you doing? And on,
00:26:00.680 Rob Ford, the Doug Ford government, excuse me, said the same thing. So I see that Trudeau was going to
00:26:06.380 try to relocate these migrants to further a field, but only five families, grand total,
00:26:13.660 only five families agreed to leave Toronto or Montreal for smaller centers. They just don't
00:26:21.460 want to live, you know, in North Bay. They want to live with the other ethnic communities in Montreal 0.68
00:26:28.500 or Toronto. What do you make of that? Other than the fact that obviously people, once they're in Canada,
00:26:35.260 if they're not in a detention facility, they're free to move around. What do you think this is going
00:26:40.220 to mean for social services in those two crowded cities, Montreal and Toronto?
00:26:44.980 They're going to have to get a federal check for the costs. When this program was announced,
00:26:52.900 I was laughing because it was so ridiculous. I've been dealing with immigrants for over 30 years, 1.00
00:26:59.740 and immigrants go with their families and their communities and the jobs. That's what they follow. 0.99
00:27:04.280 If they're not in detention, they've got to put food on the table. They need help from their family,
00:27:12.320 and they want to feel like they haven't abandoned their home altogether, and they want to be close
00:27:18.420 to their ethnic community. Quite frankly, when they announced it, I thought that the outcome would
00:27:23.100 be abysmal. But I didn't realize it would be this abysmal, that only five families took advantage
00:27:29.340 of a suggestion to relocate to somewhere that they didn't, you know, presumably want to stay.
00:27:36.900 And I'll make you a bet that of those five families, very few of them had any family in Canada
00:27:42.060 and very few opportunities that they could take advantage of that the places that were suggested
00:27:50.600 could offer as well for whatever unusual reasons. But people will generally need to go to either
00:27:57.720 Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, where their jobs are plenty, and so where they can start feeding their
00:28:03.020 families very quickly. That's the way it works. And no matter how much you try to shuffle back and
00:28:06.920 forth, it's not going to help.
00:28:07.860 Well, Giddy, we always enjoy having you on the show because, as I mentioned, you have a big heart.
00:28:13.460 You've practiced in this field for so long. You have put your brains and your energies to bringing
00:28:18.940 legitimate refugees to Canada. So no one can say you're a hard-hearted guy, but you've got a hard
00:28:24.120 head and a soft heart, and that's the right combination. And I always look up to you for the
00:28:29.500 way you carefully balance your point of view. I learned so much from you, and I know I'm gushing here,
00:28:33.460 but we're really grateful that you come on the show to help us out with these things.
00:28:37.020 Well, thank you very much for having me, Ezra. I think it's important for the Canadian public to
00:28:42.200 understand what's going on because we do want to help refugees. I think all of us want to help
00:28:46.160 refugees. But if we go down the wrong road and we turn off the Canadian public by handling it wrong,
00:28:53.460 they're going to shut the gates. And that's what we see in Europe right now where there's a backlash
00:28:58.960 against accepting more refugees. And unfortunately, when you have that attitude, people die.
00:29:04.760 People don't get to where they need to go, and they don't get the protection they need. And I don't
00:29:09.000 want that to happen here in Canada at all. Giddy, great to see you again. Thanks very much for your
00:29:13.440 time and wisdom. Thank you very much. All right, there you have it. Giddy Mammon is a long-time
00:29:18.180 immigration and refugee lawyer with the firm Mammon, Sandalook, and Kingwell. Stay with us.
00:29:22.480 More ahead on the Rebel. Hey, welcome back on the Tommy Robinson verdict in our Real Reporters
00:29:38.220 videos. Paul writes, this was a political trial. And if in prison, Tommy Robinson will be a political
00:29:45.040 prisoner. Yeah, I'm going back to the UK to cover his sentencing. And while I'm there, I'm actually
00:29:55.320 going to attend a Canada-UK joint government conference on media freedom that's the same
00:30:02.880 days. Can you believe that the conference is the 10th and the 11th of July? Tommy's sentencing is the
00:30:10.340 11th of July. If you had like an irony Geiger counter, you'd go bing bing bing bing bing bing bing.
00:30:17.340 It's just too much irony. Literally the day that Christian Freeland and her UK counterpart are having
00:30:24.780 a 1,000 purse celebration of themselves and how wonderful they are in media freedom, that very
00:30:32.220 day, Tommy Robinson is being thrown into the clink. Oh, and you know he's going back to prison.
00:30:36.780 I'll bet you a dollar. Terry writes, the reason Tommy is being persecuted is that he dared to
00:30:43.740 speak out against Muslim rape kings. In England, no one is allowed to taunt Muslims. This is an 1.00
00:30:47.840 application of Sharia law. Well, it sure looks that way. I mean, in the court, I sat there in
00:30:53.780 the court, and on Thursday and Friday last week, I watched the exact moments outside that court
00:31:05.160 in Leeds last year, where Tommy approached some of the rape gang accused as they were going in to be
00:31:12.780 convicted. And all he said was, how are you feeling about your verdict today? He didn't say you're
00:31:20.380 guilty. He didn't swear at them. He didn't touch them. He didn't block them. The entire interaction
00:31:25.060 was 10 seconds, maybe 30 seconds most. Usually, they just swore back at him. And that was one of
00:31:33.300 the grounds upon which he was convicted. Every interesting trial has journalists asking
00:31:41.180 questions like that and tougher. I think that if there's no good explanation of why Tommy's case
00:31:47.940 is different, we have to assume that the changing variable is the religion of the underlying accused.
00:31:55.780 Tell me what else is different. I don't see it. I think you're right. I think there's one
00:32:00.360 uncriticizable cultural fact here. Katie writes, I'm just wondering if there's a plan
00:32:07.860 for what his supporters can do now that it looks like he's going to prison. Will we be able to
00:32:12.520 donate money, send him emails? Will the rebels still follow Tommy closely while he's in prison
00:32:16.640 so that we know he's okay? I'm hoping you will publish another follow-up video to let everyone know
00:32:21.220 what they can do to help. That's a good point, Katie. As you know, last year when Tommy was thrown
00:32:26.980 in jail so unexpectedly, we stepped in to fill the gap as volunteers. I talked to his family. I got
00:32:33.580 their permission. And I actually did not speak with Tommy until he got out of prison. I sent him emails
00:32:40.140 into jail, but he couldn't send back. So I was operating sort of blind. I had to go ahead of his
00:32:45.680 family. But it wasn't until he was released that I actually spoke with him since he left our company
00:32:52.080 earlier that year. This time it's different. Obviously this time he knows what's happening. It's not
00:32:56.460 ambushing him on a matter of hours. I'm, you know, I'm going to, like I said, I'm going back to the UK
00:33:03.260 this week. So maybe I'll ask him about that. We stepped in because it was an emergency. No one else
00:33:08.920 was helping. No one else knew what to do. I don't want to step on his toes. I'm not looking to
00:33:13.320 to meddle. I'm not looking to foist myself upon him. I sort of foisted myself on the situation
00:33:18.860 a year ago because no one was doing him. Tommy may have other plans and I should find those out.
00:33:24.520 I should say that if he is in prison, and I think that's quite likely,
00:33:28.860 he will likely be imprisoned as a civil prisoner, not a criminal prisoner, which means he may have
00:33:33.240 certain more rights. But you know what, given what a stitch up the whole thing has been, it wouldn't
00:33:38.000 surprise me if they threw him back in solitary confinement and said, it's for your own safety.
00:33:43.680 That's really what they did to him last time. Dark days for freedom. And what an irony that the
00:33:48.440 free speech conference is literally the same day. I'll be over there along with Sheila Gunn-Reed and
00:33:52.540 we'll give you our best reporting every day. Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel
00:33:58.020 World Headquarters, to you at home, good night and keep fighting for freedom while you still can.
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