Rebel News Podcast - From a Fight the Fines story to a Rebel reporter： Get to know Tamara Ugolini

00:00:00.000 Hello Rebels, you're listening to a free audio-only recording of my weekly Wednesday night show

00:00:04.780 aptly called The Gun Show. Tonight my guest is one of our newest Rebels, Tamara Ugolini, 0.98

00:00:10.420 and I thought I would take this opportunity on the show for all of us, including myself,

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00:01:10.720 Let's get to know one of our newest Rebels a little better this week.

00:01:14.180 My guest tonight is Tamara Ugolini, I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're watching The Gun Show.

00:01:22.980 We've got new Rebels joining the team. Drea Humphrey is absolutely ripping it up in British 1.00

00:01:42.080 Columbia, telling the other side of the story, and doing tough, dangerous journalism like visiting

00:01:47.940 homeless encampments and, well, coming within 50 feet of Jonathan Yaniv and his out-of-control

00:01:54.800 mother. And we've got Lisa Song Sutton in Las Vegas, who is doing some great work on issues that

00:02:03.020 our Rebel viewers care about, like gun rights issues and what the COVID-19 lockdown has done

00:02:09.240 to small businesses and the entertainment industry, specifically on the Las Vegas Strip.

00:02:14.460 And we've got Tamara Ugolini also. She's a mom from Coburg, who is one of our Fight the Fines

00:02:20.520 cases. And she was such a fighter that the boss thought, why not have her work for us? 1.00

00:02:28.240 Now, I think it's safe to say that Tamara does not like the coronavirus restrictions on all of 1.00

00:02:33.840 our lives. So, just like I did with Drea Humphrey a few weeks ago, I thought I would use my own show

00:02:40.440 to have Tamara on to talk about, well, first off, what it's like to be a Rebel. Because my story at

00:02:46.460 Rebel News, it's pretty similar to Tamara's. I was just a regular mom out there on the internet,

00:02:51.660 making trouble, until all of a sudden, I was a journalist at Rebel News. And just a point of

00:02:57.480 clarification, you're going to hear Tamara use words like pro-choice in our interview. But she 1.00

00:03:04.400 doesn't mean pro-choice in the abortion sense. She means pro-choice as in choosing to take a Chinese 0.98

00:03:12.280 made vaccine for the coronavirus or not, as opposed to being forced to take it by the government.

00:03:19.820 So friends, here's the interview I recorded with our new Rebel, Tamara Ugolini, Monday evening.

00:03:34.400 Joining me now from her home in Cobourg, Ontario, is one of the newest Rebels. Quickly becoming a fan

00:03:49.080 favorite, though, Tamara Ugolini. Tamara, thanks for joining me. I wanted to have you on the show

00:03:54.260 because I think people would like to know you a little better. They know your work, and they know

00:04:00.460 sort of some of the stuff that you care about through your work and the things that you focus

00:04:05.360 on. But I wanted to take this chance to introduce you to our viewers in, I guess, a little longer

00:04:13.120 format. What was it like getting, I guess it was a phone call, maybe an email from Ezra Levant saying,

00:04:23.080 hey, you want to come work for us? Because I got one of those myself, and it was weird.

00:04:27.400 Yeah, well, very unexpected, right off the bat. It was an email, and then I thought, well, it's probably

00:04:33.940 better suited to be a phone call. So I just kind of sat on it for a little bit, about an hour or so. I

00:04:41.140 immediately called my husband, my sister, my dad, my fan base that's here at home, and just in my mind

00:04:51.100 tried to wrap my head around what that might entail or look like for me as a predominantly stay-at-home

00:04:57.180 mom. So yeah, then when Ezra and I chatted, I mean, he seemed very accommodating and understanding

00:05:04.320 that I had some other priorities at this time, but also very, what's the word, sort of intrigued by

00:05:15.080 what I could potentially bring to the table.

00:05:17.940 Yeah, I guess our stories are kind of similar, just normal moms out there giving her, raising a

00:05:26.820 little hell on the internet, and then plucked from obscurity. Now, what has been, I guess, one of the

00:05:35.180 things about working for Rebel News that has kind of surprised you, I guess?

00:05:40.540 Uh, gee, I guess mostly the meetings. The two times a day being, like, dedicated, I appreciate

00:05:49.680 that they're very timely, and everyone's very to the point, but just trying to kind of work my

00:05:55.920 schedule around those two time slots has been one of the most, that's probably the most difficult

00:06:02.560 thing. I don't know about surprising necessarily. Um, surprising would probably be just how virtual

00:06:08.560 we can all be and be connected without having to actually leave your house or your sort of locale.

00:06:15.440 So that's been really nice, uh, and a bit of a surprise because I thought for sure there would have

00:06:20.200 to be some more travel, and I'm sure there will be going, moving forward, but just in order to stay

00:06:26.720 connected on the daily, that it's so virtual, um, has, has been a surprise, but nice.

00:06:32.800 Yeah, uh, at Rebel News, we've been working remotely before it was cool, and that technology

00:06:38.160 was always there, and it's one of those things that we have really been kind of early adopters of,

00:06:43.560 while, like, the big behemoth of the CBC is just figuring out how to use Skype. We've been doing it

00:06:48.880 for years to do our interviews. We're doing it now. Um, what's, like, what has been one of the

00:06:56.180 major adjustments for you? You say you're already getting recognized, aren't you?

00:07:00.980 Yeah, well, at our, at the local gathering here in Coburg, uh, there was a gentleman there who said,

00:07:07.100 hey, you're famous, and I thought, well, that's a bit of an exaggeration, but, uh, he did recognize me,

00:07:13.580 uh, one of the, when we were in Ottawa on Saturday, someone recognized me on the street,

00:07:19.160 um, and then one of the people who I interviewed, uh, seemed to be quite thrilled. He was a big Rebel 0.98

00:07:25.560 News supporter, and, uh, was familiar with some of the videos I'd already been putting out, so he

00:07:30.720 knew my name, called me right over, um, pretty much welcomed me as his new friend, so it's been,

00:07:38.380 yeah, it's been interesting, but something I kind of expected would happen, just maybe not so soon.

00:07:43.700 Um, um, I wanted to ask you, um, you are kind of new to political activism, I guess, um,

00:07:55.940 and correct me if that's wrong, but what sort of spurred you into this? For me, it was, like,

00:08:04.920 all of a sudden, Alberta spiraling into debt, frankly, under the progressive conservatives at

00:08:10.100 the time, and I thought, this is not the Alberta of Ralph Klein, and I sort of became politically

00:08:14.420 active online because of that, but what was that thing that made you say, well, uh, I guess it's

00:08:23.260 going to be me who's going to step up and say something. Yeah, I mean, I could go back, uh,

00:08:29.680 about a decade ago when I first became pregnant with my eldest, um, and I started to research a lot

00:08:35.860 of things related to health and wellness, and I started to find that what we were being told by

00:08:40.760 some of our government agencies, like Health Canada, wasn't actually as accurate as what I was finding

00:08:47.260 alternatively, and so, I mean, my whole lifestyle did a complete 180 at that time. I was, 10 years ago,

00:08:53.520 a completely different person, so it's kind of just been an incremental change over the course of

00:08:59.360 developing as a mom and, uh, you know, taking, taking knowledge into my own hands and sort of

00:09:06.940 trying to decipher where, what the truth may be in certain matters, and then, of course, during

00:09:12.360 this COVID shutdown, I mean, I've been an advocate for pro-choice and pro-informed consent. I, I guess

00:09:19.220 that could go back about a decade, um, but when we started to see these, these lockdowns happening

00:09:23.920 and taking away the general public's freedom of choice, like arbitrarily shutting down businesses

00:09:31.220 and small businesses and telling people that they couldn't visit with their elderly, with their

00:09:36.160 families, I mean, that right away just took away so much choice for the general public, and that was

00:09:42.220 a big concern of mine, especially as, you know, in the beginning, you don't know what, what we're

00:09:47.280 dealing with. We were all, okay, yeah, let's shut things down. Let's see what's going on. Are we going

00:09:53.360 to see people dropping like flies in the streets, like the 1918 Spanish flu, which that was actually

00:09:59.420 a pandemic, and then as a couple weeks went on, and we weren't seeing those things, you weren't hearing

00:10:04.260 those numbers, I started to say, well, what's going on here, and why aren't people being allowed to

00:10:10.440 decipher and discern and make those decisions for themselves, so it just sort of spiraled into this

00:10:17.340 advocacy and activism work with a, then a small crowd, and we've just sort of grown from there,

00:10:23.360 Now, you've ended up arrested because of your advocacy work, and that was before you came to

00:10:34.360 us, but that's one of the reasons we found you. How, what's that like? Like, just, like, one day

00:10:41.760 you're just giving her out there saying, I believe, I'm pro-choice in that, I believe in, you have,

00:10:48.820 you know, the right to choose how you live your life. I just want to be clear, because pro-choice

00:10:53.940 generally has a different connotation, but, and then you end up, like, in handcuffs. What's that

00:11:01.000 like? That's crazy. I mean, it was pretty traumatic. I do have the whole thing recorded, and admittedly,

00:11:07.500 I haven't been able to go back and watch it, because it was a traumatic event, but I'm also not one that

00:11:13.700 just sort of backs down to, to someone who is exercising authority in a way that, to me,

00:11:20.580 is not lawful. So I was respectful. I was peaceful. I mean, at the end of the day, I was walking a beach

00:11:27.300 shoreline. Like, I'm not a seasoned, hardened criminal, and that's while we are letting actual

00:11:34.780 convicted criminals out of prison. I am being then taken in handcuffs, mom of three, four with my bonus

00:11:44.560 son, in handcuffs, and held in a jail cell. Like, this wasn't just some little, oh, you know, as they

00:11:52.280 did with my dad on the beach, oh, we'll arrest you, and then we're going to un-arrest you. No, I remained

00:11:57.340 in custody for almost two hours. At the end of the day, again, walking a beach shoreline.

00:12:04.600 Yeah, and you make an excellent point that hundreds of people awaiting trial or people who probably

00:12:14.260 shouldn't qualify for bail and yet are, are being released from Ontario's prison system. Some of them

00:12:21.280 are getting early release, so they're convicted and they're getting early release. They're being

00:12:25.980 shuffled out the door for their safety, and you're a mom of four, and you're being thrown in the

00:12:32.640 slammer. Like, the priorities during this pandemic are so bizarre, and you're not the first mom. I had

00:12:39.660 an interview for one of our Fight the Fines cases with a young mom who had been handcuffed and then

00:12:47.080 searched under her clothing and stuffed in a cop car because she let her daughter go in a park 1.00

00:12:54.480 and go on the swing set all alone. There was nobody else in the park. That's, that's the new

00:13:00.500 normal they want us to live in, that this is okay, that cops are doing this, and, and we're all

00:13:05.400 disappointed to put a mask on and shut up about it. It's so crazy. And the funny thing was, is none of

00:13:11.800 the police, which I think there was three, three police cruisers that ended up responding to the call

00:13:17.320 of myself and a 16-year-old, my 60-year-old friend, and none of them had masks or gloves on. So

00:13:24.540 again, the hypocrisy of the new normal is just insane. And like, I interviewed Randy Hillier on

00:13:31.600 Friday, you know, he says, they'll only get away with these impositions as long as the people comply.

00:13:37.860 So when enough of us start to say enough's enough here, this isn't making sense,

00:13:41.700 that's when we can see some tangible changes happen. I think. Yeah, that interview with Randy

00:13:47.660 Hillier was great, because I think he's got it figured right out. He's got like, even well-meaning

00:13:54.060 conservative governments, and I'm, I'm not sure whether that applies to Ontario or not at this

00:14:01.020 point. But, but even like well-meaning governments, conservative governments, strongly conservative

00:14:06.920 governments, like the one out here in Alberta, they don't want to admit that they got this wrong.

00:14:12.000 They don't want to admit that they got these catastrophic, like as Randy puts it, apocalyptic

00:14:16.440 predictions, dead wrong. And now what do they do? Because it's one, it's one thing to do it.

00:14:23.960 And it's another thing to have done it and for all of it to be for nothing. And so now they foster this

00:14:31.100 culture of fear with people just to keep it going instead of admitting they were just wrong.

00:14:37.400 Well, and how do you then become accountable for people literally devastating people's lives? And I

00:14:44.040 mean, potentially killing so many elderly, like who takes responsibility for that? So it's, it's a very

00:14:51.860 sticky situation for the government. And I mean, it's just crazy that we can't say enough's enough and

00:15:00.260 rein it back in, but people are so terrified. People, Randy even said, I don't know if we caught

00:15:04.880 it in the interview. Um, but he said he has constituents that probably will never leave their

00:15:09.920 house again. Yeah. Yeah. Because they think there's this deadly bug floating around out there to kill

00:15:15.940 them and their grandchildren or their grandparents. Uh, it's, it's, you, you make a great point when you

00:15:22.360 say, okay, well, if the government admits that they're wrong, then the government is then

00:15:27.360 responsible for all the devastation that follows from this. Um, now you went to Ottawa to cover

00:15:35.420 a massive protest, thousands of people on Parliament Hill. Um, not a lot of mainstream media

00:15:42.920 involved. And that's weird because normally if three BLM, uh, members are gathered together in

00:15:48.560 protest, there's like three satellite trucks from CBC there. Uh, not a lot of mainstream media

00:15:54.460 coverage of what went on in Parliament Hill, but you were there. Tell me some of the highlights.

00:16:00.280 Well, so first of all, I did hear that the CBC was there at the very, I guess the very beginning,

00:16:04.900 there was some, um, discrepancy of what time the event actually started. So I imagine they came before

00:16:10.200 it was really in full swing. Um, so that's where maybe their report that it was a couple hundred

00:16:16.940 people in attendance was because no one was really there yet. Uh, but, but the day, I mean,

00:16:22.640 it was amazing. The weather, I think that if the weather was just that little bit better,

00:16:27.140 there would have been an influx even more so of people. Uh, I would say probably about half of

00:16:35.100 those in attendance were from Quebec. So that did make interviewing a little bit difficult.

00:16:40.020 I had a lot of people who, you know, there was a language barrier. Unfortunately, I don't speak French

00:16:44.800 and obviously some of them, uh, don't speak English. So that was, that was, I don't want to say too bad,

00:16:51.760 but just an unfortunate part of trying to get feedback from people is that a lot of the people

00:16:55.860 with great signage and with a lot of the passion didn't unfortunately speak English. Um, but

00:17:01.320 otherwise like the speeches were from what I could hear in between being, you know, on the ground

00:17:06.720 were well orchestrated. Um, they had some live bands. I mean, the energy in general was great. I never

00:17:14.420 feared for my life or that I was going to be attacked. Um, so that was reissue.

00:17:21.760 And that was really nice. And then of course, finding, uh, the pastor and his congregation

00:17:25.860 from Alamer, that was really nice too, to see more of those, you know, these different pockets

00:17:32.100 of different people coming together for a united front. Yeah. I think your coverage captured that

00:17:40.300 there are the people who are like the, like the Quebecers who are like, uh, we don't like Canada

00:17:45.640 telling us what to do. I can relate. Um, yes. The pastor who wants religious freedom and to be

00:17:53.460 again, left alone. And then there are people who really see this as creeping tyranny and it's not

00:18:00.220 so creepy anymore. It's right out there in the light of day. And so I think that really came across

00:18:05.220 in your coverage. Um, I know that, um, Maxine Bernier was there. Did you see any other politicians,

00:18:12.760 conservative politicians, did they show up? No, not a trace. He was the only politician from what

00:18:18.660 I saw and from what I heard speaking to others that showed up. And that was the same, uh, as Canada

00:18:24.960 day, July 1st, I was in Ottawa then as well, not, not reporting, but as a, as a, um, attendee and,

00:18:32.880 uh, same Maxine was the only one from any political party that was present and speaking to people.

00:18:38.380 You know, I, that's a shame. I think that's really the conservative party dropping the ball

00:18:43.260 because I would suggest that by and large, those people are, or would consider themselves pretty

00:18:47.780 mainstream conservatives. And if you need Quebec to win the country, which I'm not sure that you do,

00:18:53.300 but if that's the political strategy of the conservative party of Canada, why aren't you there

00:18:58.000 at an event full of Quebec conservatives? It's just, it's like they want to lose again.

00:19:03.360 I don't know. Exactly. Yeah. Um, the other thing just on that note is I always wonder too,

00:19:08.320 you know, at the beginning, uh, Doug Ford was seen or was heard calling the people that gather

00:19:13.660 in, at the Queens Park protest, a bunch of yahoos. And it's like, well, if you're there in the, uh, 1.00

00:19:19.540 the, uh, what's the word I'm looking for, the parliamentary building, uh, then why don't you just

00:19:25.840 come out and address those people? I mean, what's, why wouldn't you want to engage in some dialogue

00:19:31.280 and maybe get some feedback or hear their concerns and, and see if they're valid before,

00:19:36.800 you know, you resort to bullying and name calling. Yeah, that's a great point. And I think David has

00:19:43.800 been so great at explaining the concerns of Yahoo nation. They call themselves now they completely

00:19:50.840 embrace it. Yeah. Um, and, and, uh, I would suggest until Doug Ford started calling them names

00:19:59.400 and belittling them, they were probably Doug Ford voters, um, many, many of them. Um, and we're

00:20:06.780 looking for something different when they voted for Doug Ford. And unfortunately they're getting

00:20:11.040 a lot more of the same from him. And it's very disappointing because I genuinely like him and

00:20:16.880 I was hopeful, um, that Canada's most populous province would have someone who would do something

00:20:23.840 different than the liberals have always done there. Yes, that's right. Um, now I know that it's, um,

00:20:31.860 it's after work for you. Work never ends for me. Yeah. It's 24 seven here. Work never ends for Sheila,

00:20:39.600 but, um, I wanted to, uh, ask you because we do get a lot of freedom, um, about the topics that we can

00:20:48.800 cover here at rebel news. I mean, we basically, if it matters to us, uh, we assume that it matters

00:20:55.240 to a conservative viewer out there. And, uh, so we can talk about these sorts of things. What are some

00:21:01.380 of the issues that you want to use your new platform at rebel news to focus on? Well, definitely going

00:21:07.920 back to that, uh, informed consent and pro-choice across the board. Uh, one of my main, the, the main

00:21:16.440 sort of topics I got into for advocacy was, uh, vaccination and the freedom to make those medical

00:21:25.600 choices. And then of course the parental rights to make those informed choices for your children.

00:21:30.260 Um, so that was, that's something that's been pretty heavily on my radar again, going back about

00:21:35.600 a decade. Um, but more recently with the changes that the liberals brought about to the immunization

00:21:42.400 of school pupils act, uh, and sort of some of the verbiage that's now included in this,

00:21:47.920 this legally binding affidavit, the parents are to sign if they would like their children to be exempt

00:21:53.460 from vaccines. And so just, just around, uh, like I, I keep going back to the, the informed consent

00:22:02.840 and that's true informed consent. And, and I think we're seeing a lot of, um, the,

00:22:08.560 the data and the stats being really skewed by the government during this COVID-19 pandemic and sort

00:22:14.780 of pushing what Randy Hillier even term term coined in our interview, the case-demic. And so it's,

00:22:21.200 it's learning how to go back and actually look at what's really being put out behind the scenes

00:22:26.700 and deciphering for yourself and saying, you know what, these actually, this X, Y, Z doesn't connect

00:22:32.180 here. These dots aren't connecting. And so, um, how do we get more accurate data and stats from our

00:22:39.240 government and from the governing agencies? And how do we give parents and people in general that

00:22:46.200 choice without these potentially incriminating legally binding affidavits? That's very concerning

00:22:52.680 for me. And again, that was the liberals that changed that. I think it was in 2017, they changed

00:22:57.280 the ISPA. Uh, so, so that's where I started a lot of the more advocacy style work and that was on behalf

00:23:04.640 of my child. It's interesting because even if we do get the so-called accurate data from the government

00:23:14.420 with regard to the COVID numbers, they can just come out six months later, six months into two weeks to

00:23:22.600 flatten the curve and say, Oh, by the way, we got it, uh, 94 to 96% wrong, which is what the CDC just

00:23:31.020 did. I was just going to say the CDC, what 6% of people actually died of COVID-19. The 94 other

00:23:37.160 percent of people had comorbidities that were probably what killed them. And, you know, COVID was

00:23:43.620 just an aspect of that. Um, and I think the important thing to note as well, uh, is that freedom of

00:23:49.260 information request that there was a woman, I think it was in Brampton that she did, um, that

00:23:54.060 they, Health Canada hasn't actually isolated the SARS-CoV-2 virus on its own. So it's always been

00:24:01.660 studied or tested, uh, with some sort of protein attached to it. The actual virus itself hasn't

00:24:08.300 been isolated and this isn't common knowledge. I mean, people don't know that they think they

00:24:13.520 trust what the media puts out that, Oh, it's been isolated and we can develop a vaccine now.

00:24:18.160 And actually, well, you know, it hasn't, and we can go back to the Health Canada freedom

00:24:23.720 of information request and, and find that out. I mean, the information's there, it's readily

00:24:27.500 available. You just need to know where to look. And it's sad that in my opinion, it's sad that our

00:24:32.760 governing agencies and our elected officials and our, our mainstream media isn't putting that out

00:24:38.220 there for people to know. Yeah. It, the mainstream media is not asking the questions because they

00:24:44.880 wouldn't want Justin Trudeau's liberals to be wrong. And that's with regard to everything,

00:24:50.040 every, everything that's happening right now. Uh, how many people are actually the hand that feeds

00:24:55.180 you. Thank you. Exactly. Okay. Well, Tamara, it is, we're 22 minutes into the interview and this is

00:25:04.900 your evening with your beautiful family. So I want to thank you so much for coming on the show. I hope

00:25:09.940 people got a chance to learn a little bit more about you and the kind of person that you are.

00:25:15.040 And, um, we'll have you back on the show again, very soon.

00:25:18.540 Great. Looking forward to it. Thanks, Sheila.

00:25:28.100 Like with Dre Humphrey and like with Lisa Song Sutton, I'm very excited to see what Tamara does next. I

00:25:33.640 think we are all going to be very busy here at Rebel News because there's absolutely no shortage

00:25:39.560 of government impositions on our lives for us to cover during this pandemic that has no end in sight,

00:25:48.120 no matter how flat that curve gets. The rules are dumb and the government right now is even dumber.

00:25:54.380 And a lot of people are lockdown skeptics and more lockdown skeptics are being created every single day.

00:26:02.040 Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight. Thank you so much for tuning in. I'll see everybody back

00:26:07.140 here in the same time, in the same place next week. And remember, don't let the government tell

00:26:12.780 you that you've had too much to think.

00:26:32.040 Yeah.

00:26:33.240 Thank you.

Rebel News Podcast - September 03, 2020

From a Fight the Fines story to a Rebel reporter： Get to know Tamara Ugolini

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