Rebel News Podcast - “Global warming” rebrands again： Ocean Acidification!

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00:01:08.480 of my show the new catchphrase in environmentalism is ocean acidification because that climate change

00:01:16.180 thingamajiggy really isn't working out the way the environmentalists said it would

00:01:20.420 i'm sheila gun reid and you're watching the gun show

00:01:23.300 well i guess the good news is that the coronavirus pandemic must be over

00:01:44.940 because we're back to talking about environmentalism and by we i definitely don't mean me but the people

00:01:51.200 who want to control your life and take money out of your family's pockets with policies that transfer

00:01:56.600 wealth from you to the united nations under the auspices of a cleaner greener earth there's a new

00:02:04.720 frontier in environmentalism and it's being touted as the reason that global temperatures aren't

00:02:11.260 increasing the way environmentalists said they would it's called ocean acidification and my guest

00:02:17.740 tonight is tom harris from the international climate science coalition and he can see these

00:02:23.380 kind of ideas coming a mile away he joins me tonight to explain exactly what ocean acidification is

00:02:29.720 and why the environmentalists need this thing to push their cause we're also going to talk about

00:02:35.840 the conservative party leadership race

00:02:38.520 so joining me now from his home in ottawa is good friend to the show good friend of rebel news

00:02:59.220 tom harris from the international climate science coalition tom thanks for coming on the show um i

00:03:05.780 wanted to have you on because you have written i think what is going to be sort of the next

00:03:11.240 you've written about the next front of i guess environmentalism because climate change isn't

00:03:19.600 really working out the way that they told us it was going to and so you call it global warming's

00:03:25.600 evil twin and you say it's gathering momentum and it's ocean acidification i've heard a little bit

00:03:33.640 about it for probably the last five years but i'm hearing more and more about it all the time i don't

00:03:40.140 really understand or know all that much about it um because people are telling me my straws are going

00:03:45.620 to kill all the sea turtles so tell us first what ocean acidification is and then please tell us how

00:03:54.300 the environmentalists tell us it's going to kill us all yeah sure well first of all it's named wrongly

00:03:59.920 because the oceans have never been acidic i mean you could go back billions of years in the geologic

00:04:05.480 record and we see no evidence of the ocean ever being acidic now first of all here's how it works

00:04:11.600 when carbon dioxide molecules enter the ocean water they create a bicarbonate ion plus a hydrogen ion

00:04:20.340 a bicarbonate ion has one carbon a cup three oxygens and a hydrogen and of course a hydrogen ion is just

00:04:25.920 simply a hydrogen ion and that results in a slight decrease in ph now it's important to understand

00:04:32.780 what ph is because it's the way they measure the degree of acidity or alkalinity which is the opposite

00:04:39.840 when things are basic uh the ocean has been basic for as long as we know okay as long as we can see

00:04:46.000 the records they've always been basic so ph is small p large h is a measure of how acidic or how basic

00:04:54.380 water is and the range goes from zero to fourteen uh seven is considered neutral in other words if

00:05:02.160 you have ph that's totally neutral not acidic or basic you'd have a ph of seven now ph is really a

00:05:09.620 measure of the amount of free hydrogen ions there are and unlike sort of what you'd expect a low ph a

00:05:16.960 ph below seven is in fact acidic and a ph above seven is basic now right right now the world's oceans

00:05:24.860 are in the neighborhood of 8.2 and we can talk about that later so they're very definitely basic right

00:05:30.240 now now each number in the ph scale represents a change in acidity of tenfold in other words if you

00:05:38.600 had a ph of five and the ph dropped to four remember going down is becoming more acidic that would be

00:05:45.720 ten times more acidic okay so one uh one ph drop um actually is uh quite significant it's a tenfold

00:05:53.740 change now it's interesting um many people think that the oceans are going to become acidic due to the

00:06:01.500 co2 coming in and it's true that temporarily when co2 goes in it increases the hydrogen ions but

00:06:07.040 that's reconverted back into co2 because it's used as plant food for for for phytoplankton and seaweed

00:06:14.840 and all sorts of things and um so the ph then rises again to become less acidic now it's interesting

00:06:21.880 that you know if we look at the geologic record we can see times when there were not very many forests

00:06:27.800 on the earth like when the glaciers covered half of north america of course there weren't any forests

00:06:33.200 taking up carbon dioxide so you would expect you know the co2 levels being higher uh in the atmosphere

00:06:40.460 but in fact they weren't higher in the atmosphere they were lower so where did all that co2 go it

00:06:45.680 obviously didn't go into trees because uh trees are all you know wiped out by the glaciers stumbling

00:06:50.740 across the you know a mile and a half of ice over my head for example here but what happened is the

00:06:56.600 oceans absorb the co2 and that's a very good thing okay people don't realize that but the oceans

00:07:02.600 absorbing co2 actually is plant food uh the idea that we could ever get to a ph of even seven which

00:07:09.920 is neutral because right now we're 8.2 uh down below seven to become acidic is essentially chemically

00:07:17.780 impossible and it's interesting a biologist by the name of jim steel he's from the co2 coalition people

00:07:24.000 can look that up on the web co2 coalition.org they're pretty wonderful um he was the former

00:07:30.000 research director of the san francisco state universities it's called the sierra nevada field

00:07:35.900 campus and he's shown that even if atmospheric co2 concentrations were to triple from today's level

00:07:43.640 of about 410 and he says that would take about 600 years today's ph would drop from 8.2 down to only

00:07:51.680 7.8 okay so even with a tripling we're going to still have a basic ocean so we don't actually see

00:07:58.680 any opportunity of it um becoming acidic and in the meantime co2 is important for the for the health

00:08:06.460 of the ocean so you know this i always call this global warming's evil twin because you know we can do

00:08:12.900 all we want to adapt to co2 rise and temperature rise but in fact if oh man if we're going to kill all

00:08:20.260 the fish and the corals and and all the sea form because of uh increasing acidification where it's

00:08:26.500 never acidic yeah this will give them something else to talk about but as i say it's all baloney

00:08:32.320 yeah i mean it's it's just more moving the goalposts isn't it they keep predicting that

00:08:39.020 we're going to experience this catastrophic warming i think we're on to our second warm day of the year

00:08:45.180 here in alberta and it's almost the end of july um you know they they keep promising all these

00:08:51.360 doomsday scenarios and when they don't materialize when co2 in the atmosphere doesn't materialize 0.94

00:08:58.680 oh well the ocean's acting as a sponge it's sucking it up and now it's going to do this terrible

00:09:04.660 horrible thing to the ocean but as you point out it's still plant food even in the ocean

00:09:09.920 and you know i should just tell you just to give you some idea of how this is really blown up into

00:09:16.260 a big issue last month there was something called the virtual oceans dialogue and this was the first

00:09:22.560 completely virtual global conference for ocean action and they really focused hard on ocean

00:09:28.500 acidification this is organized by the world economic forum and a group called the friends of ocean action

00:09:33.840 and you know they live streamed to over three quarters of a million people okay i sat in on it

00:09:40.580 it was quite your heart yeah and um the participants in the conference was 1 300 people

00:09:48.240 these are the participants not the viewers 1 300 people from 90 different countries and they're saying

00:09:54.880 this is going to be the big issue in fact the un have declared the next decade starting in 2021

00:10:00.400 as the decade of the oceans and of course ocean acidification is going to be a huge part of

00:10:07.140 that and then three days later they had something called um it was on the world oceans day they had

00:10:13.880 let's see how was it called this verse first virtual ocean literary summit now this is starting to sound

00:10:19.620 like a un conference of the party big time yeah because it says ocean experts sports and business people

00:10:26.100 high level high level government representatives and artists from all across the globe exchanged ideas

00:10:32.160 and insights into the future of blah blah blah concerning the ocean and the u.n u.n decade for ocean development

00:10:38.980 so yep we're going to see a lot more of this ocean stuff and sheila if i can just quote to you something

00:10:45.940 you know a lot of readers might say or a lot of viewers might say well it's just your opinion and that's this

00:10:50.700 this mr steel but you know this document here as you can see is well over a thousand pages it's called

00:10:57.460 climate change reconsidered to biological impacts and it has a nice section on ocean acidification

00:11:04.760 i'll just scroll down here and read it to you please it says this is put out by the non-governmental

00:11:10.020 international panel on climate change they say and that's that uh climate change reconsidered dot org

00:11:16.940 they say the findings of hundreds of peer-reviewed research analysis suggest a much better future

00:11:23.520 is in store for earth's aquatic life you know than that focused by the ipcc and the u.n many laboratory

00:11:30.320 and field studies demonstrate growth and development improvements okay so even if you think that we are

00:11:37.120 going to see warming and even if you even if you think that the co2 is causing increased ph they're saying

00:11:43.220 here we're going to see improvements in response to higher temperatures and reduced water ph levels

00:11:49.560 other research illustrates the capability of coral and other marine and freshwater species

00:11:54.980 to tolerate and adapt to rising temperature and ph decline of the planet's water bodies

00:12:00.940 when these observations are considered the pessimistic projections of the ipcc give way to considerable

00:12:08.300 optimism with respect to the future of the planet's marine life and there are like thousands and

00:12:14.960 thousands of references support that kind of statement here so yeah let's uh not worry about that either

00:12:22.120 yeah but what will the artists say oh right they got to show something catastrophic happening for their art

00:12:29.960 but but it's not likely we're not going to see it i mean there are parts of the ocean where the ph

00:12:36.260 changes more in the course of a day and of course the plants don't all die out and then i'll have to

00:12:42.260 come back the next day they survive so they're adaptable and the ph changes more in the course

00:12:48.060 of a day than the worst forecasts of the 20 21st century so yeah it's oceans are pretty darn robust

00:12:55.780 not with respect to some things like you know chemical pollution and things like that but forget about ph we're

00:13:02.240 not going to cause an ocean catastrophe and at the end of the day ultimately it'll still be a tax on

00:13:08.820 my suv that the fancy people and the control freaks at the un are telling me will be the only way

00:13:15.340 to save the whales from ocean acidification that's that's that's their one and only solution tax the

00:13:22.900 little people transfer wealth to any number of micronations apparently that's that's how you save the world

00:13:28.880 now uh you have another article at america out loud which uh you and i were talking off air i

00:13:36.740 really enjoy that website it has it's visually appealing uh it's not cluttery like some are and

00:13:43.100 you and your uh frequent writing partner dr jay lair you have an article there about leaders being

00:13:49.300 hopelessly misguided on wind and solar power and i'm not sure if we touched on this well i think we

00:13:55.020 touched on it just a little bit last time that you were on the air um but i think you sat in on one

00:14:01.060 of these um unfortunate zoom conferences with um environmentalists as you tend to do you're out

00:14:07.520 there doing the lord's work yeah lead now held a conference online uh and there were a thousand

00:14:13.880 people on the zoom call there were 40 pages of 25 people per page and what they're trying to do is

00:14:20.060 lump in with all the recovery actions the uh imposition of wind and solar power but you know

00:14:26.540 well i think their heart's in the right place i don't think they really have a clue what they're

00:14:30.340 talking about because yesterday it'll be on the web actually i guess tonight or tomorrow i interviewed a

00:14:36.660 bird bat expert uh about wind turbines on my podcast and people can find it i'll actually put it up on our

00:14:43.340 web page as the first entry our web page is climate uh science international dot org climate science i

00:14:51.080 should remember my own page anyway this guy jarl uh from norway is talking to me about the enormous

00:14:58.240 numbers of birds and especially bats bats are killed very easily by wind turbines and that's just one

00:15:03.960 element to show that they're anything but green the fact is they don't provide much power and if you

00:15:10.380 actually look at a graph of how much of the world's energy is produced by fossil fuels it stayed pretty

00:15:16.780 steady at around 80 for the last 30 years and guess what in that 30 years we've built 300 000

00:15:26.260 industrial wind turbines across the world so even if you know you thought we had a crisis that was

00:15:32.320 caused by carbon dioxide the wind turbines are not reducing the amount of co or amount of fossil fuels

00:15:37.780 we're using anyway okay 300 000 turbines and it's pretty well straight across around 80 percent

00:15:45.220 so what's happening of course is that whenever you build a wind turbine you need to have backup power

00:15:51.020 and typically even robert kennedy jr says if you build wind turbines you're building natural gas stations

00:15:57.780 because you know um parka gallant who does analysis of ontario's energy systems he was showing me the other day

00:16:04.840 that for several hours during the day the amount of power actually generated by wind power in ontario

00:16:11.460 was something like one tenth of what well one hundredth i think it was of one percent so we're

00:16:18.280 spending billions of dollars for an energy source that requires backups that doesn't decrease our carbon

00:16:24.660 dioxide and other emissions anyways and causes incredible environmental damage with things like the rare earth

00:16:31.400 elements that are in the magnets mined in china under terrible conditions and of course even in the

00:16:37.260 ocean even in the ocean what do you think happens when they're pile driving to put the foundations in

00:16:42.780 whales can hear that pile driving for a hundred miles away and it deafens them we're seeing ale in fact

00:16:49.660 yesterday's interview with jarl was he was saying that whales are being beached all over the place because

00:16:55.680 they're being upset their sonar is upset by the sound waves put out by wind turbines so environmentally

00:17:02.620 friendly my god it's probably the most environmentally destructive uh energy source on the planet so yeah

00:17:09.780 let's not only stop building them let's get rid of them take them down i'm with you and my suv

00:17:15.340 is helping grow the plankton that the whales eat so i take some uh maternity over the care of the whales

00:17:21.620 by letting the jeep idol every now and then uh you know it's funny we have a uh a twitter account

00:17:26.960 here in alberta and i don't know who's behind it but it's pretty clever i think it's called affordable

00:17:31.480 energy alberta oh yeah um or something similar and what they do is they just tweet out the capacity

00:17:38.040 of green energy on the hour every hour just about and it's like four percent is being produced by solar

00:17:46.120 and one percent is being produced by wind and then like this enormous amount that's being

00:17:51.520 created by fossil fuel it's so smart and i wish more jurisdictions would do it because it's real

00:17:57.640 time analysis of the grid showing you like look they're building these panels they're putting in

00:18:04.160 these big huge solar farms and yet still after all this investment here it is 90 of your power today

00:18:11.680 is coming from coal yeah and that's the same all across the world yep um now i want you somewhat

00:18:19.280 not entirely but you've stuck your toe into the conservative party leadership race um with an

00:18:27.160 article that was published in the toronto sun and kudos to post media for publishing it i know that

00:18:33.500 things are a little tough for them sometimes sometimes they have open revolts when when when their uh

00:18:40.400 papers publish things that are sort of going against the prevailing sentiment amongst the

00:18:46.460 journalists i don't think these are prevailing sentiments against the mainstream i think these

00:18:50.220 are pretty mainstream ideas but the journalists don't much care for them and you've published an

00:18:55.120 article that says conservative candidates need to push back against the climate scare tell us about

00:19:01.560 this article and i'll tell you my plan to see where they are on the climate scare well exactly with the

00:19:08.600 exception of derrick sloan who is very sensible on this issue he's saying he'll take canada out of

00:19:13.600 the paris agreement uh you know and and he's not buying into the idea that we're causing dangerous

00:19:18.980 climate change and of course what you see is the other three candidates to varying degrees are

00:19:24.860 completely absorbed by the climate scare i mean the conservatives in the past would bring in regulations

00:19:30.880 for example oh no we are against carbon tax but then they're going to give in regulations

00:19:35.440 and some some analysts some economists have shown that regulations would be more expensive

00:19:40.860 to the consumer because of course who do you think pays for the increased costs

00:19:45.560 for the for the manufacturers they transfer it on to us so that's not a solution you know they're all

00:19:51.780 afraid except for derrick sloan they're all afraid to simply call a spade a spade look if you believe

00:19:58.240 that canada um sorry if you believe that there was a climate crisis canada produces 1.6 percent of

00:20:05.200 world emissions so what we do is going to have no impact whatsoever no measurable impact so the only

00:20:11.760 approach that makes sense for canada and this is the policy i really wish the conservatives would take

00:20:16.780 they could say very easily oh of course climate change is real we believe in climate change and so

00:20:22.920 canada had better adapt to climate change we'd better do things like bury our cables underground

00:20:28.600 okay because around ottawa all you need is a severe windstorm and we have all of our power out so i

00:20:34.800 mean it doesn't make any sense and you know a really good example in the u.s where parts of a city had

00:20:39.940 cables buried underground cables like telephone and internet and things like that and a part of the

00:20:46.820 city that didn't was hurricane sandy when it hit new york city parts of manhattan which had all their

00:20:52.500 cables underground did not lose any of their facilities you had lawyers at work still typing

00:20:57.200 away saying yeah i'm working fine what's wrong with you well it's because their cables were all above

00:21:01.380 ground here in ottawa they estimate that the price per kilometer to put cables underground that are

00:21:07.260 currently above ground was something like two to five million dollars and they said oh we can't afford

00:21:12.500 it but you know just last fall ottawa was wiped by these tornadoes and i'm sure the price must have been

00:21:19.280 in the many billions of dollars so yes of course they can afford it they just have to redirect their

00:21:24.840 monies away from the fictitious idea that we can stop climate change to adapting for climate change

00:21:30.920 so you know derek i think is has got the right approach and i think the rest of them don't have

00:21:36.020 to deny climate change they actually don't even have to question the cause they could say much as i think

00:21:41.820 they should you know to be honest brokers but what they simply could say is look what canada does

00:21:47.560 has no impact on world climate so it's going to come there's going to be changes of course climate

00:21:52.860 always changes so of course there's going to be changes so we have to adapt we have to prepare for

00:21:58.420 the kinds of climate change that could happen where by the way cooling would be a lot more important

00:22:03.500 to prepare for for canada i mean there's nobody farming north of us if it warms well we can adopt

00:22:08.820 farming practices in arkansas or something so yeah i think the conservative it's sad because the leading

00:22:15.200 candidates are really in some ways just a carbon copy of the liberals maybe liberal light with

00:22:21.200 respect to this but um man they got to tell the truth because the base of the party clearly uh want

00:22:28.220 us out of paris and they don't want us wasting billions of dollars they don't want carbon taxes

00:22:33.540 going up 50 they don't want carbon tax at all so let's get off this and focus on real issues um i am

00:22:41.540 happy that derek is doing that but the rest of them man you got to appeal to the conservative base

00:22:46.940 folks if you want to become the real leader and the base don't want this stuff well yeah and they have

00:22:52.920 to put some distinction between them and justin trudeau you need to give people a reason to vote for you

00:22:58.840 so that you're different than justin trudeau i i read less than lewis's uh i believe it was her

00:23:06.480 uh part of her dissertation um which part of it focused on the paris accord and she said repeatedly

00:23:16.320 like we don't need to get out of the paris accord because the targets have no teeth well then that's

00:23:23.340 a perfect reason to get out of the paris accord if the targets mean nothing then why are we participating

00:23:28.780 in this virtue signaling but secondarily even if the targets don't have any teeth uh the money

00:23:36.140 sure flows from canada to the united nations i think it's 800 million dollars this year

00:23:41.380 yeah exactly will flow to the united nations because of the paris accord that's a great

00:23:46.480 reason to withdraw well exactly and you know people who say oh well by 2030 china and developing

00:23:53.200 countries will have to you know have limits to their co2 emissions but that's not true actually

00:23:58.560 underlying the paris agreement is another treaty called the framework convention on climate change

00:24:03.940 this was signed in rio by brian mulrooney uh back in 1992 and what it says is that for developing

00:24:11.240 nations and china believe it or not is still considered a developing nation even though by the way they put

00:24:16.700 out more than twice the co2 emissions of the united states but developing nations and this is the treaty 1.00

00:24:22.680 that underlies all un climate treaties including paris developing nations their first and overriding

00:24:29.180 priority is poverty alleviation and development so what's going to happen is that come 2030 china is

00:24:36.560 going to say well our top priority is not greenhouse gas reduction we have to continue to pull people out

00:24:41.960 of poverty give them electricity and um alleviate you know the kind of social problems we have and what

00:24:48.980 they'll do of course is say that the cheapest way to do that the most effective way to do that is with

00:24:54.500 coal because india and china of course are mostly coal when it comes to electricity generation so of course

00:25:01.480 they're going to continue to build coal stations no matter what we do and so if you believe that co2 0.51

00:25:07.560 was a problem and climate change dangerous climate change was coming well we better adapt because we have

00:25:14.260 no control over it and china and india are going to continue doing exactly what they're doing you know 0.54

00:25:20.440 as you're speaking there i i just made a connection that i wish i had made earlier there's a real national

00:25:26.060 security implication in all of this if you care about china and its imperialist designs on the rest of

00:25:32.000 the world the western world is going to continue to buy things from china because china can manufacture 0.99

00:25:39.880 things a lot cheaper because they're using the cheaper electricity and this focus towards uh green

00:25:48.240 energy will continue to cripple north american manufacturing continuing to enrich china um while 0.98

00:25:56.260 they use cheaper electricity which is fine and cheaper labor um because they use in effect slave labor in

00:26:03.980 some places so if you care about national security you really should reject green energy oh yeah

00:26:09.500 exactly and of course china has the biggest wind turbine companies in the world and where do you

00:26:14.660 think they get their power to make the wind turbines it's from coal china china makes more solar panels than

00:26:21.040 anybody in the world so of course they want us to move to solar and wind power while they continue to grow

00:26:26.540 coal stations left right and center no you know some people actually speculate that to a large extent the

00:26:32.200 climate scare uh benefits china so much that they probably behind the scenes were a major promoter of 0.92

00:26:39.440 the whole thing now it's always difficult to know exactly where these things start but um yeah i mean

00:26:45.100 the whole climate scare benefits china enormously because they're the world's supplier of solar panels

00:26:50.460 and yet solar panels you know elizabeth anderson a phd in geology i saw her give a talk at carlton 0.57

00:26:55.840 university about the environmental impacts of wind and solar power and it's just incredible i mean the

00:27:02.520 amount of toxic materials that are used to make solar panels for example the the city in china that's

00:27:08.240 considered the green capital of the world it they make so many of the world's solar panels and other

00:27:13.760 green energy and they have you know solar panels on every building it's also one of the most polluted

00:27:18.840 cities in the whole planet okay and that's because when you make them especially under the terrible

00:27:24.680 environmental conditions there you produce enormous amounts of pollution people should watch michael moore's

00:27:30.900 film planet of the humans you can do a google search on it planet of the humans he has one little

00:27:35.820 segment there of about 90 seconds and with exciting music he shows all the toxic materials all the

00:27:42.460 processes that are used to build wind and solar power and then of course they massacre birds and bats by

00:27:48.960 the millions in california altamont pass they've killed thousands of golden eagles but the u.s government

00:27:56.300 gives something called a kill permit to uh wind turbine operators so they can kill endangered species and

00:28:03.000 they can't be sued by the environmental groups so boy they have really you know pulled the wool over

00:28:08.040 the whole environmental establishment and that's another thing that um the conservatives could say

00:28:13.580 do you know the impact of wind and solar power my god these are terrible for the environment and so

00:28:20.380 they don't have to question the science of climate change there's lots of things they can do

00:28:24.640 to have a sensible policy now my plan because this will air i think just about during the conservative

00:28:34.700 debate um put together by the independent press gallery we're going to be there and it's going

00:28:39.960 to be my personal mission to nail these people down on their climate change policies and the paris accord

00:28:45.840 um that's what i want to ask them about because at the end of the day that's i think one of the

00:28:52.460 single greatest policies that robs canadians of their wealth and impacts struggling canadians the

00:28:59.920 most um and it's putting people out of work especially here in alberta so i want to hear

00:29:04.940 what they have to say and i'm curious about leslund lewis because on so many issues she's so right on the

00:29:12.860 money as a conservative except on the paris accord and i don't understand how she justifies it so i'm

00:29:18.160 going to give her the opportunity to answer us honestly well you know i think i i can almost

00:29:23.020 forecast what they're going to answer except for derek who i expect will give a sensible answer

00:29:26.940 but i think they're going to say well everyone knows climate change is real of course that's

00:29:32.500 irrelevant climate change is real or we'd be still in the ice age no we're asking are humans causing

00:29:38.160 dangerous climate change and could canada do anything about it you know could we stop it and if not

00:29:45.020 well then what are we wasting all this money for you know so you really have to pin them down because

00:29:50.120 otherwise you're going to get a lot of baffle garb saying sort of motherhood things that don't answer

00:29:54.780 the question i found they're really expert at that that's what i'm going to try to do tom i wish me luck

00:30:02.700 um tom i want to give you a chance to once again uh let everybody know where they can find the work

00:30:08.040 that you do support the work that you do because you're one of the few people um doing this work

00:30:13.420 probably outside of our friends at uh friends of science here in canada and tell people about

00:30:19.960 your podcast for once because it's pretty interesting sure i've done uh 29 interviews i guess we started

00:30:26.540 a few months ago and um it's called exploratory journeys with tom harris and what we do it's on

00:30:33.420 think radio if people go to our website right now i have an interview with ian clark uh professor

00:30:38.940 very nice fellow from the university of ottawa and that will get you into the website so you can

00:30:43.560 hear any of the interviews but we've interviewed you know largely um people in the climate and energy

00:30:49.600 area uh last night we interviewed somebody who's an expert in birds and bats and wind turbines but you

00:30:55.300 know to give people a kind of intellectual break i interviewed one fellow who was a shriner circus clown

00:31:02.020 okay he was fun he actually been in the navy and had all kinds of really tough jobs and then he became

00:31:08.480 a clown and it's really quite wonderful to hear about how he would go to the hospitals and completely pick

00:31:14.420 up the children so we've done space exploration all kinds of things so exploratory journeys with tom

00:31:19.800 harris google it it'll come up right away and the website oh website for my organization

00:31:27.520 international climate science is climate science international dot org and as you know just coming

00:31:34.100 up soon give us a month and a half or so we're going to see canadians for sensible climate policy

00:31:40.460 we've been incorporated we're getting ready to launch sensible climate policy is exactly the

00:31:45.960 phraseology i hope that we see from the conservatives someday from your lips to god's ears tom tom

00:31:53.800 thank you so much for coming on the show um we'll check back in um i think probably just as when the

00:32:01.160 new uh project is launching i think people are going to have a lot of interest in this i know that i do

00:32:05.780 um i think it's great to have somebody from outside the conservative party lead the conversation as uh i think

00:32:14.580 it was ralph klein who said um you know you create the parade and i'll jump in front of it and lead it i think

00:32:20.540 you guys are going to jump you guys are going to create the parade so that somebody else can jump

00:32:25.020 in front of it and lead it and and if the liberals want to help lead sensible climate policy too well

00:32:30.520 go ahead i mean anybody can lead it but i think the conservatives have the best chance of having a

00:32:36.640 sensible climate policy so that's the word sensible here's hoping tom thank you so much for coming on

00:32:44.380 the show and uh i think probably enjoy the rest of your summer and we'll talk to you when it's done

00:32:48.480 okay thanks gila thanks tom bye

00:32:51.360 you know it's funny conservatives can address the issues of environmentalism without buying into the

00:33:04.700 left's language to talk about the issue or even conceding the left's theories on the issue but even

00:33:10.840 if we do say that the earth is getting warmer why aren't we focusing on resiliency and adaptation as

00:33:17.460 opposed to trying to tax our way into a future where we somehow offset the contributions of china

00:33:23.780 it's impossible well everybody that's the show for tonight thank you so much for tuning in i'll see

00:33:29.260 everybody back here in the same time in the same place next week and remember don't let the government

00:33:34.360 tell you that you've had too much to think

Rebel News Podcast - July 30, 2020

“Global warming” rebrands again： Ocean Acidification!

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