Rebel News Podcast - Greta Thunberg is coming to Canada during the final days of the election campaign — Will anyone stand up to her？

00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends.

00:00:01.460 Today, I talked to you about Greta Thunberg.

00:00:04.500 And she's coming to Alberta, which is pretty exciting.

00:00:07.600 Hey, I got a question.

00:00:08.820 Is that something that Jason Kenney's Oil Sands War Room should take on?

00:00:13.700 Well, you bet it is.

00:00:14.500 I have a couple ideas on that.

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00:00:51.960 Tonight, a foreign anti-oil activist named Greta Thunberg is coming to Canada

00:00:56.560 during the final days of the election campaign.

00:00:59.980 Who's paying her? 1.00

00:01:01.640 It's October 16th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:06.220 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:09.960 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:01:13.600 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my bloody

00:01:18.920 right to do so.

00:01:25.060 You remember Greta Thunberg, right?

00:01:27.820 She's the 16-year-old girl from Sweden who has become a global sensation amongst the fancy

00:01:33.720 people because of her gripping emotional rants against global warming. 0.70

00:01:37.860 I've come to the conclusion personally that Greta is not acting like, say, David Suzuki

00:01:44.080 and his daughter is.

00:01:45.680 I have come to the conclusion that she is genuinely terrified, and it's either the cause or the

00:01:51.800 effect of her mental illness, a mental illness that she herself describes here.

00:01:58.600 So when I was 11, I became ill, I fell into depression, I stopped talking, and I stopped

00:02:07.000 eating.

00:02:08.720 In two months, I lost about 10 kilos of weight.

00:02:14.100 Later on, I was diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome, OCD, and selective mutism.

00:02:21.300 So, for example, when Greta was at the United Nations, and she practically burst into tears,

00:02:27.260 that wasn't acting.

00:02:29.460 It was her true psychological condition, her depression, her selective mutism, her OCD,

00:02:35.320 her Asperger's, all the things that she lists.

00:02:38.280 She's been whipped up by her handlers, and there she is, the young girl who was suicidal.

00:02:46.120 She just let it all out.

00:02:48.660 This is all wrong.

00:02:51.460 I shouldn't be up here.

00:02:53.020 I should be back in school, on the other side of the ocean.

00:02:58.540 Yet, you all come to us young people for hope.

00:03:03.140 How dare you?

00:03:05.540 You have stolen my dreams and my childhood with your empty words, and yet I'm one of the lucky

00:03:13.080 ones.

00:03:13.520 People are suffering.

00:03:17.340 People are dying.

00:03:19.560 Entire ecosystems are collapsing.

00:03:22.860 We are in the beginning of a mass extinction, and all you can talk about is money and fairy

00:03:29.720 tales of eternal economic growth.

00:03:32.900 How dare you?

00:03:33.780 Did you hear the whoo?

00:03:39.620 Who's the freak?

00:03:41.140 Who's cheering that breakdown?

00:03:43.240 I would actually agree with some of the words she said.

00:03:45.120 How dare you put her on a tour like a circus freak show? 1.00

00:03:48.260 How dare you do this to her when she's supposed to be in school?

00:03:51.840 How dare you drag her around the world on the other side of the ocean? 1.00

00:03:54.960 I agree with that.

00:03:56.100 It doesn't quite make sense for her to blame others, though, when she claims that the whole

00:04:00.940 school strike thing she started was her idea, that there's no point in even going to school 0.99

00:04:06.880 since we're all going to die very soon.

00:04:10.160 And it's a bit odd complaining about where she is, given that she sailed across the ocean

00:04:16.060 on a state-of-the-art carbon fiber yacht and tweeted the whole journey.

00:04:21.120 But I don't think she's making those life decisions.

00:04:25.720 Sixteen-year-olds can be celebrities.

00:04:28.540 I think of child actors or child pop stars.

00:04:32.220 They invariably are abused, either psychologically or physically or both.

00:04:40.660 And even if they're not molested, their childhood is stolen, and certainly their money is, by handlers

00:04:45.940 behind the scenes.

00:04:46.920 I blame radical left-wing groups like Antifa, the left-wing street gangs.

00:04:52.460 Here's Greta wearing their shirt. 1.00

00:04:55.280 But of course, I mainly blame her parents, who are showboats and celebrities in their own

00:05:00.980 right, and at the very least are getting some PR out of their daughter, and we don't know

00:05:05.160 how much money.

00:05:06.400 Here's her showbusiness mum. 1.00

00:05:08.160 Now I'm going to go and play a little food.

00:05:11.860 It's not all kind of weird, no, no, no, no.

00:05:16.020 And it's not a lot of assistanters and so on, people may think.

00:05:20.360 No, no, just me and my dancers.

00:05:23.800 I'm dealing just as normal people do.

00:05:27.760 And tacos and pizza.

00:05:31.340 And I don't have a russ-kaviar here, not as people may think.

00:05:34.600 Yeah, that's Greta's mum.

00:05:42.940 Holy mackerel.

00:05:44.980 So the other day, Greta tweeted that she's coming to Alberta, except that, of course,

00:05:48.980 she doesn't write her own tweets, her PR management team does. 0.97

00:05:53.240 Heading north again, now follows a few days of well-needed rest while enjoying the spectacular

00:05:58.260 nature of Wyoming, Idaho, and Montana.

00:06:01.040 Then on to Alberta, Canada, slow travel.

00:06:05.300 She's so produced, but at the same time so authentic.

00:06:09.400 She's ill.

00:06:11.060 I showed you before what Greta is like when she's not scripted. 0.52

00:06:14.100 She freezes up, like you'd expect a stressed Asperger's OCD selective mutist teenager to 0.99

00:06:21.640 do under stress.

00:06:22.480 Remember this clip?

00:06:23.100 What kind of message would you send by doing this to world leaders and also kind of ask

00:06:30.060 you, do you think it's about time that President Trump would respond to what you have said today?

00:06:39.320 Um, I think, I'm sorry, what was the first question?

00:06:54.260 What's the message you would like to send to a leader by doing what you are doing?

00:06:58.820 I think what we want to send is, the message we want to send is to say that we have had

00:07:05.240 enough.

00:07:06.720 And, uh, anyone else want to answer that question?

00:07:11.280 I can't speak on behalf of everyone.

00:07:12.780 That's sort of the most basic question imaginable.

00:07:17.360 She just, without a script, doesn't know what to say.

00:07:20.200 Look, her PR value isn't her scientific knowledge or her life experience.

00:07:24.580 It's her authenticity.

00:07:25.780 She's not acting.

00:07:26.660 She genuinely has Asperger's.

00:07:28.840 She's terrified to the point of suicidal thoughts.

00:07:31.320 She lost a quarter of her body weight.

00:07:33.980 She was in a deep depression.

00:07:36.020 And it spreads.

00:07:37.260 Listen to this young girl in Australia mimicking Greta's end-of-the-world insanity. 0.99

00:07:42.780 I just don't know if they're going to do anything.

00:07:45.420 And I just, I'm so concerned with the fact that if they're not going to change anything,

00:07:50.780 then what's going to happen to humankind?

00:07:53.380 What's going to happen to our, what's going to happen to the whole world if no one does

00:07:58.680 anything?

00:08:01.120 That is absolute 100% child abuse.

00:08:04.300 Whoever did that to that girl is a child abuser.

00:08:09.000 Anyways, Greta is coming to Alberta. 1.00

00:08:10.860 Why Alberta?

00:08:11.420 Well, of course, because of the oil sands.

00:08:13.460 Why now?

00:08:14.500 Well, of course, because we have an election on Monday and the parties on the left want

00:08:18.140 to scare people about global warming and they hope to blunt the chances of the conservatives.

00:08:22.240 Of course, Andrew Scheer's very first policy sellout as leader was on global warming.

00:08:26.320 He immediately whipped all his MPs, including those from Alberta, to vote in favor of the

00:08:31.360 UN's global warming scheme, throwing away two decades of principled opposition.

00:08:34.560 He literally caved in live on TV to some fairly gentle questions from the media party.

00:08:39.920 Remember this?

00:08:41.040 I'm just asking because, you know, this is the big issue because it ties in with pipelines,

00:08:45.680 as you said.

00:08:47.000 The former Harper regulations would not come close to meeting the targets that the Harper

00:08:51.940 government set.

00:08:52.740 And you want to keep those.

00:08:54.060 Will you unveil a plan that will actually meet the Paris targets?

00:08:57.180 Of course, I will unveil a plan that reaches the targets that we have already voted in

00:09:03.040 favor of.

00:09:03.480 We believe that Canada has to be part of the solution.

00:09:05.660 We want to have, we will, we will have a meaningful plan to reduce emissions.

00:09:08.980 And so, yeah, Greta's coming to Alberta to promote the global warming threat that isn't actually 0.54

00:09:17.460 contrary to Andrew Scheer's own platform, who believes in the global warming threat himself.

00:09:22.280 But no one actually takes Andrew Scheer seriously.

00:09:25.300 No one on the left anyways.

00:09:26.620 He undermined his moral authority, demoralized his base by saying the lines of the left and

00:09:32.740 for nothing.

00:09:33.100 I can assure you, Greta is not coming here to praise Andrew Scheer, but rather to bury

00:09:38.200 him.

00:09:38.840 And even Alberta's mayors, who amongst them have 100,000 unemployed men and women in their

00:09:46.040 cities, in the oil patch, they were actually welcoming this PR wrecking ball.

00:09:51.900 Here's Edmonton Socialist Mayor Don Iverson.

00:09:54.060 Hi, Greta.

00:09:54.980 Hey, I love you.

00:09:56.180 Hey, notice me.

00:09:56.940 I'm over here.

00:09:58.560 You're visiting Alberta.

00:09:59.900 I'd love to invite you to Edmonton City Hall to discuss the Edmonton Declaration and some

00:10:05.960 of the environmentally friendly projects we're working on, changeforclimate.ca.

00:10:10.860 Regardless of where you visit, I wish you nothing but the best.

00:10:14.160 I'm on your side.

00:10:16.940 If you click on that link, that changeforclimate.ca, you see this crazy apocalyptic website.

00:10:25.420 It's the city of Edmonton's own war against its own citizens.

00:10:30.820 The city already declared a climate emergency just a couple months ago.

00:10:37.140 Hey, do you think that's going to impress Greta or her handlers?

00:10:39.700 Do you think it'll persuade them to support the oil sands?

00:10:42.920 Do you think they're yet unpersuaded?

00:10:44.840 Do you think they're open-minded, coming to do a front-finding trip to Alberta, and they

00:10:49.360 could genuinely be turned around on the issue?

00:10:51.720 Here's a statement by Calgary's Nahid Nenshi.

00:10:56.380 Mayor Nenshi says Greta Thunberg is very welcome.

00:11:01.180 While we don't know her itinerary or who is organizing her trip here, she is very welcome.

00:11:05.560 We would love to talk about Calgary's climate program and how seriously we're taking climate

00:11:10.480 action.

00:11:11.300 We're always interested in having a dialogue on the intersection of energy and environment,

00:11:15.800 as well as highlighting the climate achievements of the Canadian energy sector.

00:11:19.160 Do you think Greta, a 16-year-old high school dropout, is interested in having a dialogue 0.99

00:11:24.880 about the intersection of energy and the environment?

00:11:28.480 Look, we know that Nenshi and Iverson are little Trudeaus when it comes to photo ops and

00:11:32.880 selfies.

00:11:33.820 But guys, she's coming to bury you, not to praise you.

00:11:36.460 Do you really think that telling her about your climate emergency declaration is going to

00:11:41.660 make her back off?

00:11:43.080 Now, I've got two points on this.

00:11:44.380 The first is, it's the first real test of Jason Kenney's so-called oil sands war room.

00:11:51.080 That's a $30 million a year budget, an organization designed to defend the reputation of the oil

00:11:56.980 sands against exactly this thing, foreign meddlers coming to besmirch it.

00:12:03.100 So what are they going to do?

00:12:04.660 Well, we don't know yet, but this is their first test, isn't it?

00:12:07.560 Today, by coincidence, is exactly the six-month anniversary of the Alberta election that installed

00:12:13.980 Jason Kenney as premier.

00:12:15.400 They have had plenty of time to think and plan, so what will they do about Greta?

00:12:20.180 Will they hide under their desks?

00:12:22.360 Will they issue some boring press release, put out some vanilla TV ads that will do nothing

00:12:28.100 other than enrich some Toronto ad agencies and some lobbyists?

00:12:32.440 We're about to find out.

00:12:33.640 I'll be candid.

00:12:34.480 I'm not optimistic, but we'll see.

00:12:36.100 The second point I'd like to make touches on the first.

00:12:38.900 Why is a foreign-funded lobbyist, which is exactly what Greta Thunberg is, permitted to 1.00

00:12:43.100 come to Canada to campaign on hot election issues in the final days of the election, a foreign

00:12:48.400 lobbyist?

00:12:49.660 It's true that Thunberg was already in Canada once and met with Justin Trudeau and was

00:12:55.060 lukewarm about him.

00:12:55.980 So what?

00:12:56.340 He sure milked the photo op, didn't he?

00:12:58.400 But she's coming back again in the final days of the campaign with an attack focus on 0.98

00:13:02.740 the oil sands.

00:13:03.320 Does this meet the definition of an election campaign expense?

00:13:08.240 Well, let me read to you a single sentence from the Elections Canada webpage.

00:13:12.580 Please note that foreign third parties can't spend money or use their resources to influence

00:13:18.060 Canadian elections.

00:13:20.700 Yeah, but she's doing it anyways. 1.00

00:13:22.760 So what are you going to do about it?

00:13:25.320 Greta Thunberg is a big-money foreign campaign absolutely designed to influence our election. 1.00

00:13:30.180 Not only ought that to be stopped, but that ought to be one of the angles of attack of

00:13:34.680 Kenny's oil sands war room.

00:13:36.240 But, and this is so obvious it almost doesn't need to be said, taking on Greta Thunberg is

00:13:42.300 politically incorrect.

00:13:43.760 She's an abused child, but you can't say that out loud.

00:13:46.820 She's cannon fodder for the left, but she's a human shield. 1.00

00:13:51.200 But you can't say that.

00:13:52.440 She's woefully uninformed, but you can't say that.

00:13:54.720 She's mentally ill, and you can say, well, you can't say that, but she can, and she has. 0.88

00:14:00.180 She's a puppet, but you can't say that.

00:14:01.900 But you need to say those things to rebut her lies, and more importantly, the lies of

00:14:06.300 the foreign interests that fund her and direct her.

00:14:08.520 I don't think most politicians have that courage.

00:14:10.580 Certainly none in Andrew Scheer's party are allowed to.

00:14:13.160 I don't think many in Jason Kenney's provincial party are allowed to either.

00:14:16.380 But that's why this arm's-length $30 million war room is there to do and say the things

00:14:20.900 that more polite and more liberal people can't.

00:14:24.660 So will they?

00:14:26.240 Or is that $30 million just patronage and pork, conservative style?

00:14:31.360 Well, I do believe we're about to find out.

00:14:34.240 Stay with us for more.

00:14:47.280 Welcome back.

00:14:48.060 Well, I've enjoyed making visits to Alberta quite a lot over the last campaign.

00:14:52.700 Calgary, Edmonton, Innisfail, Red Deer, other places.

00:14:56.940 And I'm always talking about Justin Trudeau and the Libranos, and people ask me, should

00:15:02.780 we vote for the PPC or the CPC?

00:15:05.920 I'm always interested in that sort of thing.

00:15:07.860 But every stop I make, one or more people come up to me and say, I've had it with the

00:15:14.560 whole system.

00:15:15.460 I'm full-blown separatist because we are going to get it worse than ever.

00:15:19.780 I'm hearing that from people.

00:15:21.820 And it's not with glee they say that.

00:15:24.020 It's not with chauvinism they say that.

00:15:26.880 It's with a sense of depression and resignation that the system just screws the West.

00:15:33.640 And so I come to Lauren Gunter's column in today's Edmonton Sun.

00:15:36.900 Let me read you the headline.

00:15:38.680 It looks like Screw the West is back in full swing.

00:15:43.800 And joining us now via Skype from Edmonton is Lauren Gunter, senior columnist with the

00:15:48.360 Edmonton Sun.

00:15:49.280 Lauren, you're right.

00:15:50.040 And I hear it unprompted everywhere I go in Alberta.

00:15:53.860 You hear people with a deep sense of resignation about it.

00:16:02.440 There is no joy in it.

00:16:04.140 There isn't even really a lot of anger.

00:16:07.180 I mean, there is anger, of course.

00:16:08.820 But there's more of a sigh like, OK, well, we should have seen this coming.

00:16:14.880 But here it is again.

00:16:16.940 And interesting.

00:16:18.000 You said, you know, you hear it all over.

00:16:19.780 You're also hearing it now in 2019 from people you wouldn't have heard it from in the past.

00:16:29.360 You know, there's an awful lot of people I'm hearing from who are very powerful people,

00:16:34.560 very successful professionals who really can't be bothered with the hustle and bustle or the

00:16:43.820 hurly-burly, as it is, of war and battling and things.

00:16:48.580 Their lives are pretty good.

00:16:50.440 And they don't want things disrupted.

00:16:52.320 They tend to be establishment types.

00:16:54.140 And you're hearing it even from them.

00:16:55.840 I mean, in most revolutions and separation, whether it's in Alberta or Quebec or somewhere

00:17:02.700 else, is a kind of revolution.

00:17:04.820 Most revolutions don't come from people in the elite.

00:17:08.740 Right.

00:17:09.020 They come from people in the middle class and people who are otherwise very comfortable. 0.77

00:17:12.840 And you're starting to hear that more.

00:17:14.960 You know what?

00:17:15.700 I never thought of it that way.

00:17:17.120 I think of Brexit.

00:17:19.160 I think of separatism in Quebec.

00:17:22.200 All the banks, all the, like you say, the establishment, they're for the status quo because the status

00:17:28.020 quo suits them just right.

00:17:29.420 I mean, Wall Street, very much a status quo kind of place.

00:17:34.180 They even made their accommodations with Obama and Hillary.

00:17:36.960 But I know, in fact, there's some very wealthy, very powerful Alberta players.

00:17:45.060 And a vocal example of this is Brett Wilson.

00:17:48.480 I don't think he's quite a billionaire, but he's a centimillionaire.

00:17:53.520 He, he's just had it.

00:17:57.280 He's had it with the fact that not, not just that Alberta and the West in general is being

00:18:04.520 undone, but it's, that it's being done so perniciously, whimsically, gleefully.

00:18:10.900 Let me, let me give you one anecdote and I'll throw it right back to you.

00:18:13.020 You know, when Stephen Harper was prime minister, he had a habit.

00:18:15.760 It irritated some Westerners.

00:18:17.540 Whenever he would give a speech or answer a question, he would do it first in French,

00:18:21.880 then in English, always first in French.

00:18:24.700 And Albertans would say, what are you doing, buddy?

00:18:26.920 And the answer was clear.

00:18:28.300 He was trying to make an effort, trying to show that even though he was an Anglo from

00:18:31.600 Alberta, he still wanted Quebec to be part of his Canada, even if the feeling wasn't

00:18:36.460 reciprocated.

00:18:37.280 We see the exact opposite with Justin Trudeau.

00:18:39.760 He's not making efforts, even though like he could say, all right, Albertans hate me,

00:18:43.460 but I'm still going to do things to show them I don't hate them back.

00:18:47.320 No, no, no.

00:18:48.980 Trudeau is gleefully digging in.

00:18:50.920 I'm certain that he's going to meet with Greta Thunberg one more time, that anti-oil

00:18:55.260 extremist teenager.

00:18:56.740 I'm certain of that.

00:18:58.700 He bashes the oil sands.

00:19:00.420 He talks about phasing out the oil sands.

00:19:02.520 He's demonizing the West in a way that Harper would never dream of doing to Quebec.

00:19:07.500 You know, I think, I think just quickly on the Thunberg thing, Thunberg.

00:19:13.460 Um, I think he'd like to meet with her, but I don't think he's going to, because she doesn't

00:19:19.860 think there's any politician in the world now who's doing enough.

00:19:22.840 And she'll scold him, which she sort of did in New York when they met a couple of weeks

00:19:27.900 ago.

00:19:28.900 She'll, she'll excoriate him for having not taken the last four years to make huge changes

00:19:34.660 to Canada's life.

00:19:35.540 Um, as if a 16 year old would know that.

00:19:38.100 I mean, she's a very, very smart kid.

00:19:39.660 I don't, I don't doubt that for a second, but you need a little bit more life experience

00:19:43.220 to go with your intelligence.

00:19:44.560 Yeah.

00:19:44.660 Um, but anyway, the, the point that I made in the column today is that in the 1980 federal

00:19:51.160 election, that was the one Joe Clark had come in.

00:19:53.380 He'd miscounted how many people were in the house of commons one night that liberals very

00:19:58.200 cleverly sabotaged Clark's minority government and forced another election.

00:20:04.560 They coerced, cajoled Trudeau to come back and run one more time as their leader.

00:20:11.620 And he won a majority, but the unofficial slogan inside the liberal war room in 1980.

00:20:16.640 And we know this because there was a liberal strategist who went on to become a very senior

00:20:21.440 part of the liberal establishment guy named John Duffy, who was working there with, with

00:20:27.040 Keith Davey, who was the long time campaign manager for liberals.

00:20:30.380 And he said their motto inside the war room in 1980 was screw the West.

00:20:35.880 We'll take the rest.

00:20:37.060 They knew they were going to have trouble winning seats in all of Western Canada.

00:20:41.160 And indeed they did.

00:20:42.180 They didn't win any in BC, Alberta, or Saskatchewan.

00:20:45.820 They won only two out of 77 Western seats at that time.

00:20:49.760 And they knew that, but they knew that going after the oil industry and going after the

00:20:55.120 West would make them popular enough in Quebec in particular, and to some extent in Ontario

00:21:00.620 and Atlantic Canada, that they could carry those regions and they didn't need Western votes.

00:21:05.560 And I think you're starting to see that now.

00:21:08.080 In the French leaders' debate last week, they spent about the first half hour talking about

00:21:14.280 the environment.

00:21:15.480 The BQ were adamant that Alberta, by name, was the problem.

00:21:22.260 But Trudeau was adamant too.

00:21:23.800 He just didn't say Alberta.

00:21:25.160 He has this passive-aggressive way of dealing with it.

00:21:27.620 But he would never have said the things he said about the oil and gas industry and by

00:21:34.300 implication about Alberta if it was the hydroelectricity industry and Quebec.

00:21:40.960 He would never say the same thing.

00:21:42.640 Yeah, it's funny you mentioned.

00:21:44.440 Sorry, go ahead.

00:21:45.740 No, I think that's what's going to propel the anger in Alberta if the Liberals win this election.

00:21:51.600 Or, and here's the scenario I think is even more likely, Andrew Scheer and the Conservatives

00:21:57.320 will win the greatest number of seats, but it's not going to be like it was in 2008 when

00:22:03.860 Harper had a minority, but he had twice as many seats as anybody else.

00:22:08.080 And then the three other parties tried to get together and eradicate the will of Canadians

00:22:14.980 and overturn the results of the election, and the Governor General stopped them.

00:22:20.060 I don't think it's going to be like that.

00:22:21.140 I think it's going to be very, very close.

00:22:23.100 The Liberals are currently in power.

00:22:25.400 They can say by convention in Canada's constitution that we are all in power.

00:22:32.160 We think we can hold the confidence of the House.

00:22:35.160 We don't think the Conservatives can.

00:22:37.860 Madam Governor General, will you give us the chance to form the government?

00:22:41.860 And so you'll have the Liberals in second place forming a government that is decidedly

00:22:47.500 anti-Alberta.

00:22:48.460 And I can't predict with accuracy what's going to happen in Alberta if that happens.

00:22:54.800 You're right.

00:22:55.240 I remember in, I think it was 2008, a similar thing was afoot.

00:23:00.100 The Liberals didn't come in first, but they tried to cobble together a coalition with

00:23:04.060 Jules Duceppe of the Bloc Québécois and the NDP and Michael Ignatieff, if I'm remembering

00:23:10.260 my details right, it was appalling.

00:23:13.820 It was disastrous in public opinion.

00:23:16.820 Luckily, it fell apart before they had a chance to pull the trigger on it.

00:23:20.040 But that kind of trickery is absolutely, it would just, it would prove to Albertans that

00:23:27.320 the system is rigged against them.

00:23:29.260 It would be like when the elites in the UK, we mentioned Brexit earlier, when they said,

00:23:33.540 yeah, okay, you voted for Brexit, but we know he didn't mean it.

00:23:37.460 Hey, can I mention one more thing?

00:23:39.160 And this is something I've been thinking about with Pierre Trudeau and Justin Trudeau, because

00:23:43.140 you mentioned 1980 and how Trudeau Sr. came up with, screw the West, we'll take the rest.

00:23:49.880 It was about oil back then too, in large part.

00:23:52.640 The National Energy Program, all sorts of, Mark Lalonde, the Quebec engineer, the whole

00:23:58.200 thing, basically said it's about stopping the financial center of gravity moving from

00:24:03.860 Quebec to Alberta.

00:24:04.640 He said that.

00:24:07.180 They believed in oil and gas.

00:24:10.500 In fact, they nationalized and created Petro-Canada.

00:24:13.800 They wanted oil and gas.

00:24:15.420 They believed in oil and gas.

00:24:16.920 They simply, like good old communists, wanted to take the means of production for themselves

00:24:21.420 and their friends.

00:24:22.440 But they believed, like the old communists, in smokestacks, in hard hats.

00:24:25.900 They thought Ottawa would be better at spending the money than Albertans were.

00:24:31.240 And so they didn't want to gobble it up.

00:24:33.280 But they were in favor of oil and gas development.

00:24:35.440 That's right.

00:24:36.120 In fact, they talked about national self-sufficiency.

00:24:41.700 The difference between Pierre Trudeau, who was simply a communist thief of Alberta oil,

00:24:46.600 and Justin Trudeau.

00:24:48.560 Is it Justin Trudeau, or at least the Trudeau that we see talking with Gerald Butts' ventriloquism,

00:24:56.740 That's right.

00:24:57.280 Butts his hand in his back.

00:24:58.160 Yeah, no oil or gas at all.

00:25:00.580 Move beyond oil.

00:25:01.980 Stop oil.

00:25:03.400 We need to transition off oil.

00:25:06.360 So at least Pierre Trudeau understood its value.

00:25:09.300 He just wanted to steal the value.

00:25:11.200 Justin Trudeau is frittering away $100 billion so far,

00:25:17.000 and it's like he doesn't even realize he's killing it.

00:25:20.600 No, they honestly think.

00:25:22.580 There's a great business theorist in the United States in the 70s and 80s,

00:25:27.060 a guy named Peter Drucker, who once said that the United States could not stop making things,

00:25:33.440 that his economy required the manufacturing of goods,

00:25:37.120 because, and this was his quote,

00:25:38.440 we can't survive by all of us selling insurance to one another.

00:25:42.960 So you couldn't go into the service sector entirely.

00:25:45.720 You had to make things.

00:25:46.820 And the same applies in Canada.

00:25:49.120 We can't survive as a prosperous nation without developing our natural resources.

00:25:54.660 But the current crew that's in Ottawa now,

00:25:57.200 and the NDP and the Greens and the Bloc all seem to think we can all be baristas.

00:26:03.920 Yeah.

00:26:04.240 And that somehow will sustain the economy.

00:26:06.820 Or that they'll have a magic wand.

00:26:09.560 That somehow a group of bureaucrats meeting in a committee

00:26:12.620 would know better than the best engineers and scientists.

00:26:15.420 The new technology that's going to take over.

00:26:17.580 We have a development in Edmonton called Blatchford,

00:26:21.760 which is on the old airport grounds.

00:26:23.800 And the city has been in charge of developing itself for the last five years

00:26:28.160 because it wants a net zero carbon neighborhood with geothermal heating

00:26:35.500 and all sorts of crazy weird green stuff.

00:26:38.620 And every time the mayor is asked why this won't work,

00:26:41.600 he says, well, the technology hasn't developed yet,

00:26:43.720 but by the time we need it, we know it will be there.

00:26:46.960 How in heaven's name can you know it's going to be?

00:26:49.220 That's the kind of thinking that's behind this liberal government.

00:26:52.260 Yeah, it's alchemy.

00:26:53.760 Yeah, exactly.

00:26:55.280 Exactly.

00:26:55.820 Let's find the philosopher's stone.

00:26:57.800 And everything we touch that's carbon-based will suddenly turn into green-based

00:27:02.420 and we'll all have wonderful high-paying jobs where we only have to work six hours a day,

00:27:06.880 but we're going to be able to sustain our way of life.

00:27:09.680 It is just such fantastical thinking that you wonder why adults or how adults can actually fall for that stuff.

00:27:18.180 But somehow they have.

00:27:19.360 And, you know, it's interesting when you get back to Greta Thunberg at this point

00:27:23.640 because her scolding of all these people really does rely on them having this magical thinking

00:27:31.260 that, you know, she's right.

00:27:33.620 If only we'd have wished harder.

00:27:35.400 It's millenarianism is what it is.

00:27:37.160 And if we just wish hard enough, the end times will come and we'll all be instantly transformed into paradise.

00:27:45.060 Yeah.

00:27:45.280 You know, it's one thing for a 16-year-old PR machine to say those things.

00:27:51.320 But for Gerald Butts, who is the central hub of this government, it reminds me of the clip we've shown many times on this show before

00:28:01.020 when he was with the World Wildlife Fund.

00:28:03.140 He was asked about the root of the Northern Gateway Pipeline.

00:28:06.440 And he said, no, no, no.

00:28:07.740 Who cares?

00:28:08.640 We don't need oil at all.

00:28:10.000 Here's the clip of that.

00:28:11.100 I know you've seen this before.

00:28:12.260 We think that the oil sands have been expanded too rapidly without a serious plan for environmental remediation in the first place.

00:28:21.120 So that's why we don't think it's up to us to decide whether there should be another route for a pipeline.

00:28:27.160 Because the real alternative is not an alternative route.

00:28:31.700 It's an alternative economy.

00:28:33.520 Oh, just that, Lorne.

00:28:34.520 We just need a new economy.

00:28:36.360 So just put that down.

00:28:37.700 Just write that down.

00:28:38.680 Step one.

00:28:40.820 Get a new economy.

00:28:41.640 Yeah, get a new economy.

00:28:42.540 Step two, we're all rich.

00:28:44.940 You know, okay.

00:28:46.200 I went in 2000 at the Millennium.

00:28:48.660 I went to the United Nations to cover the big international Millennium Festival that they were having.

00:28:55.040 And there was a very prominent speaker at one of the sessions who said, what we need to do is transition to the love economy.

00:29:02.700 Oh, yeah.

00:29:03.500 Well, this isn't any more fanciful than that.

00:29:07.180 It really isn't.

00:29:08.620 Holy moly.

00:29:09.480 You know, I'm worried because you say we all have to do something besides sell insurance to each other.

00:29:16.300 At least selling insurance is something useful and valuable and you're organizing.

00:29:20.080 It's a real thing.

00:29:22.540 But carbon credits and green this and at least, I mean, and again, just the same way, well, at least Pierre Trudeau believed in drilling for oil.

00:29:31.780 And at least insurance, I think it's a legit thing, but I take your point, you need to make stuff, too.

00:29:37.460 You need to make stuff, too.

00:29:38.420 You can't sustain an economy simply.

00:29:39.940 I get it.

00:29:40.420 No, no.

00:29:40.800 I mean, I understand you weren't saying that insurance is not a real thing.

00:29:43.820 But there is almost no one in the caucus, especially in I don't know the caucus.

00:29:49.300 There's no one in the cabinet who's ever done anything with their lives.

00:29:52.960 Almost all of them.

00:29:53.920 I mean, whether it's Catherine McKenna, who was like a U.N. social justice lawyer.

00:29:59.600 That's what she called herself.

00:30:00.780 Or Gerald Butts, who's a de facto cabinet minister, who's just been a politician whisperer his whole life and an environmental activist.

00:30:09.280 Or like this whole bevy of whether it's Mariam Monset or Bardis Chaggar or Navdeep Bains.

00:30:14.780 All these people really, I can see their PR value.

00:30:19.220 I can see why they were a quota or token appointment.

00:30:22.540 But not one of them has actually ever done anything.

00:30:25.060 But even Bill Morneau, who ran one of the largest pension benefits advisories in the country, in North America, in fact, doesn't seem to understand economics.

00:30:39.420 Like, I know he inherited it.

00:30:41.220 I know that he's also wealthy because his wife has a lot of inherited wealth.

00:30:46.220 But they don't seem to have understood the source of any of that money either.

00:30:50.340 It's not just the people who've had no private sector experience at all.

00:30:54.440 Well, Morneau had lots of private sector experience, but he doesn't seem to have understood the thing he was doing.

00:30:59.680 That's the really sad part about this.

00:31:01.720 And now you have almost two generations full of people who have been fed the message in education and in the media that we're destroying the planet, that the environment is in crisis.

00:31:16.060 It's in emergency.

00:31:17.180 It's in dire straits.

00:31:18.600 We must do something now.

00:31:19.920 But without any understanding, I wrote another column about 10 days ago that said, here are the things Canada would have to do in order just to get to its Paris Accord commitments, which is a 30 percent reduction in CO2 below 2005 levels.

00:31:36.260 We would have to stop all oil and gas and shut down all vehicles, tractors, semis, cars, pickup trucks, buses, trains, airplanes, boats.

00:31:47.600 All of it would have to go.

00:31:48.800 Including two campaign jets.

00:31:51.340 Yeah.

00:31:51.620 And that's what you're talking about.

00:31:53.400 Well, I mean.

00:31:54.060 They don't talk about it as though the only thing that's stopping us from getting to these marvelous green goals is a lack of societal and political will.

00:32:04.080 Yeah.

00:32:04.480 There is absolutely no possible way we could get to the goals that they set with the level of engineering that we have now.

00:32:13.620 And even the best minds in the world are not going to find the technology fast enough to meet these farcical standards that have been set for us by these politicians.

00:32:23.600 Yeah.

00:32:24.980 Well, I mean, we started by talking about what happens if the liberals win.

00:32:29.600 I think if Trudeau wins a majority, it'll be really bad.

00:32:33.660 But if he wins a minority and if he patches together a deal with Elizabeth May or Jagmeet Singh, I think it will be absolutely disastrous.

00:32:43.280 Especially, as you point out, if he actually himself has fewer seats than Andrew Scheer.

00:32:48.120 I don't know what's going to come.

00:32:50.100 Replacing Rachel Notley with Jason Kenney was a good first step.

00:32:52.760 But Ottawa controls so many of the levers.

00:32:56.180 Absolutely.

00:32:56.780 I see Trudeau just said he doesn't believe in a national energy corridor.

00:33:00.080 You can't foist pipelines on people.

00:33:02.440 Well, constitutionally, actually, you can.

00:33:04.780 You can foist a Trans-Canada Highway on a country to build it.

00:33:09.200 You can foist power lines.

00:33:11.060 It's called eminent domain.

00:33:12.080 You can, actually.

00:33:13.800 But only Alberta's industry doesn't get what it needs.

00:33:18.760 Last word to you, Lorne.

00:33:20.080 Yeah, I am hopeful that Andrew Scheer will somehow win enough seats that he gets to form a government and that the people around him will be as clever as the people around Stephen Harper.

00:33:34.820 Because you remember, for the first five years that Harper was the prime minister, he never had a majority.

00:33:40.340 And yet, on every issue, he was able to cobble together enough of a coalition from other parties, most of whom couldn't stand him.

00:33:47.600 Right.

00:33:48.060 And yet, somehow else, he was able to win vote after vote after vote.

00:33:51.940 So, very, very clever.

00:33:53.380 Let's hope that happens.

00:33:54.840 Yeah.

00:33:55.220 But I'm not keeping my fingers crossed.

00:33:57.840 All right.

00:33:58.240 Well, we'll find out in a few days.

00:34:00.020 Lorne, great to see you.

00:34:00.720 Thanks for taking the time.

00:34:02.540 See you.

00:34:03.160 All right.

00:34:03.580 There you have it.

00:34:04.040 Lorne Gunter, senior columnist with the Edmonton Sun.

00:34:07.620 Stay with us.

00:34:08.220 More ahead on The Rebel.

00:34:08.800 Hey, welcome back on my monologue yesterday about how the federal election could play out.

00:34:21.620 Jan writes,

00:34:22.760 Very proud to say I'm a Rebel News enthusiast.

00:34:25.140 We are all proud of you, Ezra, David, Sheila, Kean, and Jessica.

00:34:29.180 Well, thank you.

00:34:30.740 We're not quite done yet.

00:34:31.860 We're sprinting to the finish line.

00:34:34.320 Rob writes,

00:34:36.080 Shear is giving more money to the French CBC.

00:34:37.960 How is that fighting back at an enemy that is suing you for something that is completely legal?

00:34:43.000 The conservatives are not good fighters when it comes to using the law.

00:34:45.820 Oh, you're so right.

00:34:46.660 When I saw that lawsuit against the conservatives, I was appalled.

00:34:51.540 But even more appalling is that the conservatives actually took their video down.

00:34:55.820 And then Andrew Scheer announced,

00:34:57.440 Oh, yeah, we'll give you your money next year.

00:34:59.720 If you abuse him harder, does he even give you more things?

00:35:04.520 Gary writes,

00:35:05.300 Well, that's obviously true on anything from global warming to 350,000 migrants a year.

00:35:18.560 I haven't heard a peep from him about free speech in its campaign.

00:35:21.180 In fact, he had police arrest and hang up David Menzies.

00:35:24.480 That said,

00:35:27.720 Trudeau Light is better than Trudeau.

00:35:29.780 And I think the only candidate who could stop

00:35:32.160 Trudeau is Scheer.

00:35:35.640 That's our show for today.

00:35:37.340 On behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters,

00:35:39.600 to you at home, good night.

00:35:41.620 Keep fighting for freedom.

00:35:42.540 Drudeau Light,

00:35:43.040 we'll do it.

00:35:44.440 Thank you.

00:35:44.880 Thank you.

00:35:47.240 You're welcome.

00:35:48.680 Bye.

00:35:51.440 Bye.

00:35:53.020 Bye.

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Rebel News Podcast - October 17, 2019

Greta Thunberg is coming to Canada during the final days of the election campaign — Will anyone stand up to her？

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