Rebel News Podcast - July 10, 2018


GropeGate： Justin Trudeau's excuses keep getting more bizarre


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Justin Trudeau groped a female reporter at a party in 2000, and he's now defending himself. But what exactly did he do to her? And why does he do it so often? And what does it have to do with women?

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00:00:00.000 Tonight, what exactly did Justin Trudeau say about groping that female reporter?
00:00:05.100 I'll take you slowly through his bizarre series of excuses.
00:00:09.140 It's July 9th and you're watching The Ezra LeVant Show.
00:00:30.000 You know the news. It's actually old, but it was forgotten about for 18 years.
00:00:44.140 Back in 2000, Justin Trudeau attended a beer party in the town of Creston, B.C.
00:00:49.480 That's a picture of him at that event. Lots of drinking, lots of groping, lots of frat boy conduct.
00:00:54.560 Trudeau was almost 30, but he was living like he was still in college
00:00:57.900 because that's how privileged, spoiled rich kids live when they have no family of their own,
00:01:02.460 no responsibility, when daddy's lawyers and daddy's accountants are there to fix any problems.
00:01:07.820 Like groping a young reporter named Rose Knight.
00:01:11.560 She was a reporter with the Creston Valley Advanced newspaper
00:01:14.100 as well as the Vancouver Sun and the National Post.
00:01:17.740 She was in the party too, and when she tried to interview him, he groped her.
00:01:22.380 To use her phrase, she was inappropriately handled by him.
00:01:26.640 That's another way of saying fondled, I guess.
00:01:30.000 Rose Knight put out a statement a few days ago saying she didn't want to talk about the subject in public,
00:01:34.860 but she confirmed that it did in fact happen.
00:01:37.400 Fair enough.
00:01:38.100 She doesn't want to be dragged through the mud, but she stands by what happened.
00:01:43.300 The CBC, who spoke with her on the phone, says she was groped on her rear end.
00:01:48.460 Perhaps more. Here, listen.
00:01:49.720 She says that Knight said to her that the contact was a very brief touch and that Trudeau had touched her rear end.
00:01:59.360 So dignified. Can you believe we're in the G7? That's our prime minister.
00:02:04.340 Trudeau grabs a lot of women's rear ends, though. 1.00
00:02:06.980 Here's a bizarre picture of him touching the bum of the governor general, the royal tush. 0.70
00:02:12.660 Is that what you do to a woman? You just reach for her behind? 0.99
00:02:18.500 Well, sure. I mean, this is a guy who literally barges into other people's weddings, strangers, to kiss the bride on her wedding day.
00:02:25.840 That's creepy.
00:02:27.540 Just as creepy as giving an arms hug and legs hug to some young girl on the street.
00:02:33.680 I mean, I guess what married man amongst us hasn't done the same?
00:02:38.820 What MP doesn't go to pride parades to stare at naked breasts? 1.00
00:02:44.120 What world leader of a G7 country doesn't pose with very young girls, topless? 0.95
00:02:51.160 We've blurred this image. It wasn't blurred in real life.
00:02:53.520 I mean, that's completely normal, isn't it?
00:02:56.600 It puts a lot of Trudeau's photos in a new light, learning this about him, doesn't it?
00:03:01.080 Like the way he was staring at Ivanka Trump.
00:03:04.780 Why does Trudeau hug?
00:03:07.080 Get right in the personal space, any woman he meets.
00:03:09.720 That's Catherine McKenna there. At least they're not kissing. 0.94
00:03:12.920 But look at this hug with his science minister, Christy Duncan, embraced, touching.
00:03:18.360 His mouth is right, or at least his cheek is right on her neck.
00:03:22.700 Who does that?
00:03:25.100 Trudeau does that all the time, in plain sight.
00:03:29.160 Remember when that poor woman, Kathy Kachula was her name, complained in tears that Justin Trudeau's carbon tax was making her life unaffordable?
00:03:37.760 She started to cry, and what did he do?
00:03:40.420 He walked up to her uninvited and got right into her face, dominant, to shut her up, to take away her moral power over him. 0.81
00:03:48.660 Now, was that sexual? Probably not with Kathy Kachula.
00:03:52.180 But with Trudeau, it's not always about sex. It's about dominance.
00:03:55.940 He dominates every woman around him. 0.56
00:03:57.780 And you don't see the governor general putting her hand on his ass.
00:04:03.300 She just, you know, he just put it on her.
00:04:05.940 It's just to let everyone know that he's the alpha male, and he'll do whatever he likes.
00:04:14.140 Including to young reporters that he thinks won't rat him out.
00:04:17.680 To be fair, he's not just sexually weird with women, though.
00:04:21.160 Here's him on a Quebec TV show a few years back.
00:04:25.200 And his own wife, Sophie, tells him to kiss Gian Gomeschi.
00:04:33.160 Because you're very handsome.
00:04:34.780 Thank you, Justin.
00:04:36.440 Kiss him.
00:04:37.160 I think because...
00:04:41.160 What a creepy couple.
00:04:43.460 But what now that he's been caught?
00:04:45.960 And other than some alt-left extremists at places like the Toronto Star who are defending him, I think most of us know he's creepy.
00:04:53.900 But what will he say in his own defense?
00:04:58.040 Well, he rambles a lot in that word salad way that he does.
00:05:02.300 There's a way that he speaks where he just strings together subordinate clauses so long that by the time you get to the end of the sentence, you forgot what the beginning of the sentence was about.
00:05:09.800 But he's mastered saying nothing, being very vacuous.
00:05:12.720 I don't think that it's because he's stupid, because obviously he has a cleverness to him.
00:05:16.620 I think that he's a master BS-er.
00:05:18.960 That he's perfected saying very little very smoothly in a way that gets him through a tough spot without actually having to do his homework.
00:05:24.560 And he's doing it again here.
00:05:26.260 I think it's working with a lot of people, at least with the star.
00:05:29.880 I don't know.
00:05:30.440 Let me show you what I mean.
00:05:31.580 Here he is last week.
00:05:32.700 I think this was his first statement on the subject.
00:05:35.680 Remember this?
00:05:36.380 I remember that day in Creston well.
00:05:38.180 It was an Avalanche Foundation event to support Avalanche safety.
00:05:45.680 I had a good day that day.
00:05:47.740 I don't remember any negative interactions that day at all.
00:05:50.780 He does that bobblehead thing when he's trying to distract you.
00:05:56.960 But you heard what he said.
00:05:57.860 He said he remembers it clearly, so it's not foggy in his mind.
00:06:01.860 And he says he didn't remember anything negative at all.
00:06:04.800 He's categorical twice.
00:06:06.020 He says he remembers it well, and there were no problems at all.
00:06:10.080 Pretty clear.
00:06:11.260 Now let's flip ahead to when he spoke about it at greater length when he was in Toronto.
00:06:15.580 I've been reflecting very carefully on what I remember from that incident almost 20 years ago.
00:06:23.180 So, and again, I am, I feel, I am confident that I did not act inappropriately.
00:06:32.960 Like I said, I do not feel that I acted inappropriately in any way.
00:06:38.960 But I respect the fact that someone else might have experienced that differently.
00:06:44.280 And this is part of the reflections that we have to go through.
00:06:47.960 That bobblehead thing was going on again there.
00:06:50.740 So again, twice he says, he's saying nothing happened.
00:06:55.360 But he's saying someone else might have a different memory, but obviously they're wrong.
00:07:00.500 But then he says this.
00:07:04.620 Again, I've been reflecting on the actual interaction.
00:07:08.960 And if I apologized later, then it would be because I sensed that she was not entirely comfortable with the interaction we had.
00:07:19.020 Hang on, hang on.
00:07:21.020 What do you mean if, if you apologize?
00:07:22.960 We, we know you apologized.
00:07:24.580 We read about it in the Creston Valley Advance.
00:07:26.800 I, I thought you just said that he, he remembers these events well.
00:07:30.640 So, so does he admit that he apologized or not?
00:07:34.780 He says if he apologized later, then it would be because he sensed that the young woman wasn't entirely comfortable with the interaction.
00:07:45.000 And then didn't he say again and again that there was no negative interaction?
00:07:49.620 Which is it?
00:07:51.420 There were no negative interactions or there was one bad enough that he apologized to a woman.
00:07:57.340 Which is it?
00:07:59.400 And then there's this.
00:08:01.200 Like I said, I've been working very hard to try and piece it together.
00:08:05.380 And, and even when the, um, original, uh, editorial came out at the time, I was fairly confident, I was very confident that I hadn't acted in a way that I felt was in any way inappropriate.
00:08:24.500 Hang on, if he didn't do anything wrong, then, then why did he apologize?
00:08:29.480 She said he inappropriately handled her.
00:08:32.440 She, she quoted him at the time as saying, if I had known you were reporting for a national paper, I never would have been so forward.
00:08:42.500 So did he say that or not?
00:08:44.060 Did he, did he touch her rear end or not?
00:08:47.260 The CBC says he touched her rear end.
00:08:49.260 Is that true?
00:08:51.200 Is Trudeau saying that's not a negative interaction?
00:08:53.380 Or is he saying she really wanted him to touch her there and she's just making a big deal out of nothing and he wouldn't have apologized if she didn't have some media power over him?
00:09:03.640 What, what's he saying?
00:09:06.000 Well, it's pretty clear.
00:09:07.080 He's saying she's a liar.
00:09:08.060 But like I said, part of the lesson that we all have to learn through this is respecting that the same interactions can be felt very differently from, by different people going through them.
00:09:23.840 And we have to respect that.
00:09:25.620 And that's exactly what we're having to come and come to grips with as a society.
00:09:30.440 And it's certainly something I'm continuing to reflect on.
00:09:32.420 The same interactions can be felt very differently by different people going through them.
00:09:40.180 So, so what was the interaction?
00:09:42.560 That he says he remembers well.
00:09:44.340 I mean, he said that twice.
00:09:45.220 I remember it well.
00:09:46.040 So did he touch her sexually or not?
00:09:48.900 Does he even consider touching a young woman's rear end to be sexual?
00:09:53.180 Or is that what he does to all the women he needs, including the governor general, including his own cabinet ministers, or at least the pretty ones?
00:09:59.740 Is he saying he touched her, but she just misinterpreted it?
00:10:05.320 Or is he saying he never touched her, she's lying?
00:10:09.360 And what does this part mean?
00:10:11.220 And we have to respect that.
00:10:13.100 And that's exactly what we're having to come to grips with as a society.
00:10:17.920 And it's certainly something I'm continuing to reflect on.
00:10:19.900 I think that's just gobbledygook, that somehow his groping a young woman means we as a society have to reflect on our behavior.
00:10:29.320 No, no thanks.
00:10:30.080 We as a society did not grope anyone.
00:10:33.120 You as an individual groped someone.
00:10:35.440 But as usual, you want to scold us for your own sins.
00:10:39.360 Yeah, no thanks.
00:10:40.040 But let me play this next part for you and look carefully at what he's doing.
00:10:44.000 It's called gaslighting.
00:10:45.860 It's a phrase that means telling someone that they didn't experience what they actually experienced.
00:10:50.800 Telling them not to trust themselves.
00:10:53.360 Calling them a liar, really.
00:10:55.100 Listen to this.
00:10:55.740 This from the guy who tells us, we need to believe all victims.
00:11:00.800 Again, he starts by blaming society.
00:11:02.440 But look at how he throws this poor woman, Rose Knight, under the bus. 1.00
00:11:07.720 Calling her a liar.
00:11:08.700 But that's okay, he says.
00:11:10.620 We should respect liars and the right to be liars.
00:11:13.320 And he certainly does respect liars like the liar who's lying about him.
00:11:19.500 But part of this awakening that we're having as a society, a long-awaited realization,
00:11:27.400 is that it's not just one side of the story that matters.
00:11:33.440 That the same interactions could be experienced very differently from one person to the next.
00:11:42.060 And I am not going to speak for the woman in question.
00:11:45.820 I would never presume to speak for her.
00:11:48.400 But I know that there is an awful lot of reflection to be had as we move forward as a society on how people perceive different interactions.
00:11:58.360 So he's, is he apologizing or not?
00:12:04.940 A reporter asked him again.
00:12:07.360 So do you apologize now?
00:12:08.560 I, I, I, I apologize in the moment.
00:12:13.320 I certainly feel that, that if, again, I don't want to speak for her.
00:12:21.280 I don't want to presume how she feels now.
00:12:24.500 I haven't reached out to her.
00:12:26.060 No one on my team has, has reached out to her.
00:12:28.140 And we don't think that would be appropriate at all.
00:12:30.000 So I'm, I'm responsible for my side of the interaction, which certainly, as I said, I don't feel was in any way untoward.
00:12:39.880 But at the same time, this lesson that we are learning in, and I'll be blunt about it,
00:12:46.380 because often a man experiences an interaction as being benign or not inappropriate.
00:12:53.140 And a woman, particularly in a professional context, can experience it differently.
00:12:57.680 And we have to respect that and reflect on that.
00:13:02.260 I'll be blunt about this part, guys.
00:13:04.260 You know how women are. 1.00
00:13:05.800 They say things, they make stuff up, especially women in a professional context. 1.00
00:13:10.460 They can get so touchy.
00:13:12.460 I mean, not his own harem of affirmative action cabinet quotas, of course.
00:13:16.800 Not a single one of those great feminists in cabinet have spoken out against Trudeau. 0.99
00:13:21.100 But, you know, other more, more touchy women can get things into their silly little hands. 1.00
00:13:25.500 Sorry, tell me if I haven't interpreted him accurately.
00:13:28.920 Well, that was when he was in Toronto.
00:13:31.480 It was a disaster.
00:13:32.620 But by the time he landed in Calgary, he had tripled down on the creepy.
00:13:38.420 Get a load of this.
00:13:39.460 Rob Sine put out a written statement saying she stood by her accusation but didn't want
00:13:45.840 to be dragged into a debate.
00:13:47.020 She was done.
00:13:48.020 And Trudeau was asked about this.
00:13:49.680 And he said, in the most politically correct language possible, he said she made it up.
00:13:53.520 She lied.
00:13:54.520 Here, listen.
00:13:55.520 And tell me he meant anything different.
00:13:57.520 Obviously, over the past weeks since this news resurfaced, I've been reflecting, we've all
00:14:09.280 been reflecting on past behaviours.
00:14:14.520 And as I've said, I have, I'm confident that I did not act inappropriately.
00:14:24.900 But I think the essence of this is that people can experience interactions differently.
00:14:32.900 And part of the lesson we need to learn in this time of collective awakening is a level of respect and understanding for the fact that people, in many cases women, experience interactions in
00:14:48.280 professional contexts and other contexts differently than men.
00:14:51.280 So the same thing as before, he is confident he did nothing wrong and you can believe him because he's been doing so much reflecting.
00:15:01.280 And by the way, we've all been reflecting and he loves that word reflecting because it reminds him of his favorite thing, a mirror that reflects him back to him so he can reflect on his reflecting while looking at his reflection.
00:15:13.280 He's so dreamy.
00:15:14.280 He's so dreamy.
00:15:15.280 But again, in many cases, guys, I mean, you know women, right? 0.78
00:15:19.280 Am I right?
00:15:20.280 I mean, especially in professional contexts, you know, these women can't live with them, can't live without them. 1.00
00:15:24.280 God bless their hearts, women.
00:15:26.280 And that apology he made, well, he didn't mean it.
00:15:29.280 You see, it was just to shut the girl up. 1.00
00:15:32.280 I apologized in the moment because I had obviously perceived that she had experienced it.
00:15:42.280 I experienced it in a different way than I acted or I experienced it.
00:15:47.280 And I think this reflection as we move forward needs to continue in our communities, in our places of power, in our places of work.
00:15:57.280 Hang on, you perceived that it went wrong, but haven't you said around three or four times that we've shown now that there was no negative interaction?
00:16:07.280 Isn't that, by definition, a negative interaction?
00:16:10.280 Isn't the other person's point of view, isn't that what makes it an interaction?
00:16:14.280 An interaction instead of just an action?
00:16:17.280 How the other person feels?
00:16:19.280 Hang on, the editorial in question that we showed you 18 years ago said that his apology came a day late.
00:16:28.280 He didn't apologize in the moment.
00:16:31.280 He apologized a day late.
00:16:34.280 Or is he calling her a liar about that too?
00:16:37.280 When exactly did he apologize?
00:16:39.280 Was there a complaint to him?
00:16:41.280 How did it take him a day to realize that he did something wrong?
00:16:45.280 Which was it?
00:16:46.280 Was it an apology in the moment or was it apology the day after?
00:16:50.280 He said he had a clear memory of things, so which alibi should we believe? 0.54
00:16:55.280 But, I mean, hey guys, let's talk about reflection on our reflections a bit more.
00:17:01.280 That's easier than answering questions.
00:17:03.280 There is an awakening going on and we need to take opportunities to continue to reflect on it.
00:17:10.280 And there's always more to do and more to reflect on.
00:17:13.280 What?
00:17:14.280 Yeah.
00:17:15.280 But who will protect Canadian women from our male feminist groper? 1.00
00:17:20.280 Who will be their defender against creepy guys who say they're feminists, 1.00
00:17:24.280 but grope women that they meet from reporters to cabinet ministers to the Governor General to anyone? 1.00
00:17:30.280 Who will defend us against the defenders?
00:17:33.280 Who will defend Rose Knight since she says she will not defend herself?
00:17:38.280 Well, why, Justin Trudeau has an idea.
00:17:41.280 Justin Trudeau will be the defender.
00:17:44.280 I respect very much her right and her ability to make choices about what is best for her and her family.
00:17:56.280 And I obviously will continue to stand as a defender of understanding and respect for individuals
00:18:10.280 and the experiences they go through.
00:18:12.280 Hey ladies, just because I grope you doesn't mean I won't defend understanding and respect for individuals reflecting on their experiences that they go through.
00:18:28.280 So if you're going through the experience of being groped by me, I'll defend your understanding of that experience.
00:18:35.280 I respect you for understanding your experiences.
00:18:39.280 I may have groped you, but I still respect you.
00:18:43.280 All right, babes.
00:18:44.280 We cool?
00:18:45.280 Oh, what was that?
00:18:46.280 Are you not just some chick at a beer party?
00:18:48.280 You're a national reporter?
00:18:49.280 Sheesh, why didn't you say so?
00:18:51.280 Sorry, babes. 1.00
00:18:52.280 Sorry, babes. 1.00
00:18:53.280 Are we cool?
00:18:55.280 Ladies and gentlemen, the Feminist Prime Minister of Canada. 0.65
00:18:59.280 Stay with us.
00:19:00.280 We'll talk more about this with Anthony Fury.
00:19:19.280 Since this news resurfaced, I've been reflecting, we've all been reflecting on past behaviours.
00:19:31.280 This reflection as we move forward needs to continue in our communities, in our places of power, in our places of work.
00:19:40.280 There is an awakening going on and we need to take opportunities to continue to reflect on it.
00:19:47.280 Did you see that?
00:19:49.280 Justin Trudeau was asked about his groping of a young woman.
00:19:53.280 He's the one who did the groping.
00:19:55.280 And he pivots to say he has always been a defender, a champion, and he will continue to be that way.
00:20:04.280 And we, as in not him, need to reflect on things.
00:20:10.280 And we're just lucky to have a man like him defending people's right to reflect on things.
00:20:16.280 And I don't even know what that mushy word salad means, but he does that all the time.
00:20:21.280 And I just wonder, do people still buy it?
00:20:24.280 I mean, people outside of his own inner circle, his own echo chamber, and that of the CBC.
00:20:29.280 Well, joining us now via Skype is our friend Anthony Fury, who's a columnist with the Toronto Sun and who has been all over this story.
00:20:35.280 Great to see you again, Anthony.
00:20:37.280 Hey Ezra, great to be here.
00:20:39.280 You know what?
00:20:40.280 It dawned on me watching Trudeau pivot from answering for himself to putting it on others.
00:20:47.280 Like he just switched from me to we pretty quick.
00:20:51.280 And then he moved himself out of the we that I will lead you.
00:20:55.280 I am the defender.
00:20:56.280 And we, it reminds me of every single apology Trudeau's ever done.
00:21:00.280 Let me, let me just put this to you and I'd love your reaction.
00:21:02.280 Whether it's apologizing for Aboriginal issues or the treatment of gays historically,
00:21:08.280 or apologizing to Omar Cotter and giving him 10 and a half million bucks.
00:21:13.280 Trudeau does a lot of apologizing.
00:21:14.280 I think he made an apology to Sikh Canadians.
00:21:17.280 He made an apology to Jewish Canadians.
00:21:19.280 But if you notice those apologies, he's always apologizing on behalf of a less enlightened group of people.
00:21:26.280 And he positions himself as the one who is leading us out of the darkness.
00:21:32.280 He's always the good guy, the hero in every story.
00:21:35.280 When he cries, he's not, they're not tears of his own repentance.
00:21:39.280 They're tears of how upset he is that the stupid rest of us made him have to do this.
00:21:44.280 I think he's trying to do that trick again.
00:21:46.280 I think it's a trick.
00:21:47.280 He quickly moves to, yes, we as a society need to do better.
00:21:51.280 And I'm your hero.
00:21:52.280 I think I finally see through the apology trick.
00:21:56.280 That's my take on it.
00:21:57.280 What do you think?
00:21:58.280 Yeah, well, this story is clearly not so much about Justin Trudeau having made a misstep,
00:22:02.280 but about how Ezra and Anthony and Joe and Bob and everyone out there can learn to be better people through this experience.
00:22:09.280 It's like he is providing a great opportunity for us.
00:22:12.280 And he's kind of convening the healing circle.
00:22:14.280 I mean, it's just so rich, Ezra.
00:22:16.280 And it's gotten to the point where he's, to your point, I mean, I think he's more or less losing everyone.
00:22:21.280 And everyone knows what's going on here.
00:22:23.280 Now, I was no fan of the hysteria and the overreach of Me Too and a lot of very articulate and eloquent women.
00:22:30.280 People like Barbara Kaye and Sue Ann Levy, they were saying a lot of great stuff about this.
00:22:34.280 And Camille Paglia and Catherine Deneuve, I mean, people who are even on the left of the spectrum,
00:22:38.280 basically saying, come on, folks, you know, we need to assess our priorities a bit more.
00:22:42.280 But Justin Trudeau would have none of it.
00:22:44.280 He was all for the mob.
00:22:45.280 He wanted people to be tossed out, irregardless of the facts and any sort of findings that he wanted people put on hiatus immediately.
00:22:53.280 And all of a sudden here he is saying, well, we do not need an investigation and inquiry into my conduct.
00:22:58.280 I have determined that.
00:23:00.280 I mean, how rich is that, Ezra?
00:23:02.280 And we've seen recently in the past couple polls of recent months that women are actually really losing faith in Justin Trudeau.
00:23:09.280 The Conservative Party is the number one pick of women right now in Canada.
00:23:13.280 And you can really see why.
00:23:14.280 Because I think if you didn't follow politics in great detail, you would have thought that his feminism stuff was very genuine and heartfelt.
00:23:21.280 But now it's gone from being shtick to totally icky.
00:23:24.280 I mean, I just feel icky talking about this whole thing.
00:23:27.280 This male feminist masking around to save all of Canada's women. 0.52
00:23:31.280 And then this has befallen him.
00:23:33.280 I mean, it's really not working for him now.
00:23:36.280 Yeah.
00:23:37.280 I want to play one more quick clip for you.
00:23:40.280 Because there's something he does that's really tricky.
00:23:43.280 And you have to be very perceptive.
00:23:46.280 I think some women will know what he's doing. 0.98
00:23:49.280 I had to, I only picked this up about the third time I watched it.
00:23:54.280 He says that everyone can experience things in their own way as if there's no objective truth.
00:24:01.280 And he said that he defends the right of Rose Knight, that's the woman he groped, to think that something went wrong.
00:24:11.280 But from his point of view, there's no negative interactions.
00:24:13.280 Here, take a quick look at this clip.
00:24:15.280 The same interactions could be experienced very differently from one person to the next.
00:24:22.280 Anthony, I think that's his very PC, very politically correct way of saying,
00:24:27.280 Hey guys, nothing happened.
00:24:29.280 There was nothing negative.
00:24:30.280 But if this crazy gal wants to pretend that something, I'm not going to call her a crazy gal. 0.97
00:24:36.280 But she's a little bit crazy. 1.00
00:24:38.280 But I defend her right to be crazy.
00:24:40.280 You know how women can be. 1.00
00:24:42.280 You've nailed it.
00:24:44.280 He very, very deftly says, nothing happened.
00:24:48.280 I'm telling you nothing happened.
00:24:50.280 But I defend this gal's right to pretend something happened. 0.84
00:24:53.280 He threw her under the bus. 0.83
00:24:54.280 That's why she came out and made a statement, didn't she?
00:24:56.280 You know, in previous centuries, the term hysteria was usually meant to talk about how women can't control their emotions.
00:25:05.280 And 18th century physicians said women must drink 22 cups of tea a day so they can calm down their wild, irascible female sensibilities. 1.00
00:25:13.280 And he's saying, you know, when he's saying men and women experience things differently, he's saying,
00:25:17.280 OK, we get that, you know, women get a little bonkers every now and then. 1.00
00:25:21.280 They get a touch of the hysteria.
00:25:23.280 And let's just, that's OK.
00:25:25.280 That's who you are.
00:25:26.280 You can't help that.
00:25:27.280 But guys, just, you know, talking to the boys club, nothing happened.
00:25:30.280 You know what I mean?
00:25:31.280 We've all met a nutty chick before. 1.00
00:25:32.280 I couldn't believe it, Ezra.
00:25:33.280 I mean, you've parsed it perfectly.
00:25:35.280 My jaw dropped when he said that.
00:25:37.280 And also he's kind of getting away with it because I think if it was anyone else saying this, that that exact line would be parsed to the nines and people would assess it in the way that I just did.
00:25:46.280 Yeah.
00:25:47.280 Well, and that's the thing.
00:25:48.280 I mean, I've always wondered why he emphasizes feminism so much as a policy, not just as a style, but as a substantive policy.
00:25:59.280 He went to the World Economic Forum in Davos and it's all these fancy CEOs and government leaders and they're all abuzz with Donald Trump had just brought in massive tax cuts.
00:26:09.280 And that's really a lot of people wanted to hear what Trudeau's reply was.
00:26:14.280 And it was, well, we're going to have more feminism and the NAFTA negotiations. 1.00
00:26:17.280 No, we've got to put feminism in there. 1.00
00:26:19.280 And I was thinking, I don't care if your style is feminist, but if that's all you talk about, you're running a little bit hot. 1.00
00:26:26.280 And let me ask you this, Anthony.
00:26:28.280 Do you think he ever meant it or do you think it was all one long planned preemptive insurance against when some of his old gropies? 0.95
00:26:38.280 And by the way, I don't think I have no proof, but I tell you, I don't think this is the only woman who's ever been groped by him.
00:26:46.280 His wild bachelor days were not days, they were years.
00:26:52.280 I have this terrible feeling that our entire country's government has been used as a preemptive strike against these groping complaints just so he could build up a lot of buffer.
00:27:04.280 Oh, but I'm the world's best feminist. We all know that. 1.00
00:27:07.280 I'm terrified that his whole feminist agenda was just a preemptive cover for his bad behavior.
00:27:15.280 Yeah, I don't know. I mean, there could be a bit of a telltale heart thing going on here where someone knows they've been inappropriate in a couple instances, shall we say,
00:27:24.280 and then overemphasizes the fact that they're really big on that issue to act as a shield.
00:27:29.280 It could be that, certainly.
00:27:30.280 It could also just be, as Jason Kenney said, and he apologized for it, although I don't think he needed to.
00:27:35.280 And he said, look, this is a person who's been on Parliament Hill for a decade, not once has he ever done anything of any intellectual accomplishment,
00:27:42.280 hasn't championed a private member's bill, wasn't on a committee where he said anything of note, made any interesting observations.
00:27:47.280 So, Ezra, I think saying, like, go women is a very kind of easy thing to do, and you can reach for it.
00:27:53.280 And nobody's really going to boo you down for saying it, because we all more or less agree with the basic idea of the equality.
00:27:59.280 So it's a cheap and easy win for someone who doesn't have a lot to contribute to the serious public policy realm.
00:28:04.280 So I think it's a coin flip on this one or a 50-50.
00:28:08.280 You know, you remind me of when Andrew Klavan, the great American cultural observer, said,
00:28:13.280 when people go for that feminism card, it's because, like you say, it's easy to say, 1.00
00:28:18.280 and it's easier than talking about tax cuts or a trade deal or anything.
00:28:23.280 It's just a safe go-to place, and it's full of cliches.
00:28:27.280 You know, there's one last thing, and let me just play a very quick clip for you.
00:28:33.280 This is Trudeau saying for decades, ever since his college days,
00:28:38.280 he's been an activist against sexual assault and harassment.
00:28:43.280 Really quick clip.
00:28:44.280 This is something that I've been involved in for well over 20 years in my student activism
00:28:51.280 and in the outreach that I've done.
00:28:54.280 Anthony, I'm not saying he hasn't done that.
00:28:56.280 I'm just saying I've never seen any evidence of that.
00:28:59.280 I've never seen him.
00:29:00.280 Like, he does the odd little selfie video where he says,
00:29:03.280 hey, guys, be a feminist. 1.00
00:29:05.280 Don't interrupt.
00:29:06.280 Don't mansplain.
00:29:07.280 So he has these little selfie moments.
00:29:09.280 But other than that, I don't know if Justin Trudeau has actually ever done anything real
00:29:16.280 to actually help women other than talking into a camera and saying how feminist he is.
00:29:23.280 Have you ever heard of anything he's actually done?
00:29:26.280 Any donation of time or energy or money or talent or any personal effort?
00:29:33.280 Like, have you ever heard of anything?
00:29:35.280 Go ahead.
00:29:36.280 I can.
00:29:37.280 And this is actually leads more to my theory about him.
00:29:39.280 And I think it's even ickier.
00:29:41.280 Ezra, he keeps going on about the fact that he was one of the first, if not the first,
00:29:46.280 male sexual assault crisis counselors at McGill University back when he was there.
00:29:51.280 He brings it up so much.
00:29:52.280 I've just been, unfortunately, rereading his memoir Common Ground for my book that's coming
00:29:57.280 out soon and rereading those passages.
00:29:58.280 He goes on about it there.
00:30:00.280 He always reaches for this.
00:30:01.280 And that is his kind of prop for this.
00:30:04.280 And I find it a very just odd and icky thing for this alpha male of privilege to go on and
00:30:09.280 on about how I'm this sort of male rape crisis counselor and therefore I know more than like
00:30:14.280 anyone else on it.
00:30:15.280 So he does have that experience and he uses it in what I find rather unsavory ways.
00:30:21.280 Well, I tell you, I didn't know he was actually a rape crisis counselor because I'm familiar
00:30:27.280 with only-
00:30:28.280 I'm not sure if it was actually that, but it was something like sexual assault counselor
00:30:31.280 or something at McGill.
00:30:33.280 Well, you know, I'm only familiar with one rape crisis center.
00:30:36.280 It's called the Vancouver Rape Relief Center.
00:30:40.280 And they have a rule, only women are allowed. 1.00
00:30:43.280 Because it's such a traumatic thing that women want to only talk to women and there's some 0.98
00:30:48.280 post-traumatic stress and talking to a man is conflicting.
00:30:51.280 The idea of a male, and I take your point, if it was sexual assault or harassment or rape,
00:30:58.280 up the top of your finger-
00:30:59.280 I'm getting the technical terms wrong, but he was there as some sort of mediator to deal
00:31:03.280 with people working through their grievances in that realm.
00:31:06.280 I got to tell you, the idea of a guy doing that, when a woman has been violated or allegedly violated,
00:31:12.280 is so odd to me.
00:31:15.280 And I'm, you know, you've made me want to, I've never said this before, you made me now
00:31:18.280 want to go and read that ghostwritten biography.
00:31:21.280 I apologize.
00:31:22.280 You know what, it reminds me, and I'll close on this, of Justin Trudeau's friend,
00:31:27.280 Jeanne Gomeshi, who actually was a woman's studies major at school.
00:31:32.280 And I, we now know that he physically beat women for his sexual pleasure.
00:31:37.280 He was not convicted of a crime, but he admitted all we need to know about him.
00:31:41.280 And I believe to this day that Jeanne Gomeshi did that, number one, to be in the close proximity
00:31:46.280 of women, and number two, as a preemptive self-defense. 1.00
00:31:50.280 Now, I'm not comparing what Trudeau did to Jeanne Gomeshi's physical violence, 0.99
00:31:54.280 but I think that there are some thematic similarities of a guy who just won't shut up
00:31:59.280 about what a male feminist he is, and there's a wolf in the sheep's clothing under there. 1.00
00:32:04.280 Last word to you, Anthony.
00:32:06.280 Yeah, I think it's very odd.
00:32:07.280 And, you know, Ezra, I used to use the word feminist to describe myself,
00:32:11.280 because the technical definition of it just means you believe that men and women are equal.
00:32:15.280 And, hey, why not?
00:32:16.280 It's the 90s, you know, we would have said back then.
00:32:19.280 Let's get on board with it.
00:32:20.280 But there's this icky, overreaching way that a lot of these Gomeshi characters have latched
00:32:25.280 onto the term, and, of course, the way the social justice warrior movement has taken it,
00:32:29.280 means the whole thing has become a little off.
00:32:31.280 And I don't want to be a guy who describes himself as a feminist these days,
00:32:35.280 not because of not wanting to stand up for, you know, gender equality,
00:32:39.280 but not wanting to be one of those guys who's, why are you going on about this so much?
00:32:45.280 Are you hiding something?
00:32:46.280 Are you dealing with something in the closet?
00:32:48.280 I don't know.
00:32:49.280 Yeah, you're so right.
00:32:50.280 Well, we'll have to leave it there, Anthony.
00:32:51.280 It's always great to talk to you.
00:32:52.280 I think this story is going to stick around for a little bit,
00:32:54.280 just because there's so many unanswered questions and contradictions.
00:32:58.280 We still don't know what Trudeau exactly did.
00:33:01.280 He hasn't said so.
00:33:02.280 I think that until he answers more questions, this will continue to burn.
00:33:06.280 Great to see you again.
00:33:07.280 Bye now.
00:33:08.280 All right.
00:33:09.280 There you have it.
00:33:10.280 Anthony Fury, he writes editorials and columns for the Toronto Sun.
00:33:14.280 Stay with us.
00:33:15.280 Welcome back.
00:33:28.280 Troubling news from Edmonton.
00:33:29.280 The case of Suleiman Hajj Suleiman, one of Justin Trudeau's Syrian migrants, has been acquitted.
00:33:36.280 You'll remember Suleiman Hajj Suleiman was accused of groping a half a dozen or more teenage girls at the West Edmonton Mall water park.
00:33:49.280 He was quickly identified, arrested.
00:33:52.280 There was closed-circuit TV footage, and the girls identified him in court, but he was acquitted of all charges.
00:34:00.280 Joining us now to talk about this is our friend Sheila Gunn-Reed, who attended the trial.
00:34:04.280 Great to see you again, Sheila.
00:34:06.280 Are you surprised by this?
00:34:08.280 You know what?
00:34:10.280 I'm surprised by the complete and utter acquittal of all the charges.
00:34:14.280 He was actually facing 12 charges, six of sexual assault, and another six for sexual interference, because the girls were all aged 14 to 16.
00:34:25.280 So they were all minor girls.
00:34:27.280 I thought maybe he might get off on a few of the charges, because a couple of the girls were a little fuzzy on some of the details of his appearance.
00:34:39.280 Because, you know, they were in a water park, and for the most part, the man who was molesting them was behind them and under the water.
00:34:47.280 But I was shocked to see that he got off on all of these charges, considering that two of the four girls were completely unrelated to the other four.
00:34:57.280 Two girls were there on their own and complete strangers to the other four girls who were there as part of a soccer team and a sleepover afterwards. 0.96
00:35:06.280 So it was quite shocking to see that he just walked on everything.
00:35:09.280 Yeah.
00:35:10.280 And he took deliberate steps to obscure his visual identity.
00:35:15.280 He had a beard at the day in question, but when he attended a trial, he shaved his entire beard off.
00:35:22.280 So it's clear that he was taking steps to appear differently in court.
00:35:27.280 Is that accurate?
00:35:28.280 Yes.
00:35:29.280 So when he did appear in court, he was clean shaven, and actually some of the girls pointed that out when they identified him from the stand.
00:35:36.280 They identified him from the stand, but then they said he used to have a beard, or that on the day of the molestations, he did have a beard.
00:35:45.280 Yeah.
00:35:46.280 I understand that people should, I mean, we know the standard of justice is beyond a reasonable doubt.
00:35:53.280 But when you have, did all six girls take the stand? 0.99
00:35:56.280 Did all six girls give their witness testimony?
00:35:59.280 All six did, yes.
00:36:01.280 And did they all say the same thing?
00:36:03.280 Did they all say that he did it?
00:36:05.280 They all said that he did it.
00:36:08.280 One girl did say under cross-examination that she was unsure when she was pushed on it.
00:36:14.280 But these girls are quite young. 0.98
00:36:15.280 Yeah.
00:36:16.280 Well, 14, 15, 16.
00:36:18.280 But if six girls said it, and if two of them were unrelated, and if five out of the six were certain, let me ask you, did Solomon himself take a stand, or did he bring any witnesses or any experts in his defense?
00:36:30.280 No.
00:36:31.280 No.
00:36:32.280 The Solomon Hajj Solomon didn't take the stand, nor did the defense bring forward any defense at all.
00:36:37.280 They didn't bring forward any witnesses.
00:36:40.280 The only time we heard from the defense was during cross-examination of the witnesses and then during closing arguments.
00:36:47.280 Now, I checked online and I have not been able to find the formal judgment in this matter.
00:36:56.280 And when we do, I'm going to go through it carefully, and I know you will also.
00:37:01.280 And it's because you attended the day in court, and I've seen other reports by other media.
00:37:07.280 The judge, correct me if I'm wrong, and maybe you can state it in the words that you heard.
00:37:12.280 The judge said, and I'm only asking you because we don't have her written a verdict yet, that she chose not to believe these six girls because they were white and the accused was a Syrian migrant,
00:37:27.280 and therefore their ability to identify him was somehow prejudiced by his culture or something.
00:37:37.280 So she refused to take their identification of him as accurate because, oh, she implied, oh, well, they would just blame any Syrian,
00:37:47.280 and that there was no evidence to this effect, no expert to this effect, and that the defense counsel did not argue this.
00:37:53.280 The judge just made that up. Is that accurate?
00:37:57.280 That is accurate. I actually went and got my notes from that morning.
00:38:00.280 I took 10 full pages of notes. I was writing as much as I could down.
00:38:04.280 What the judge said, and, of course, I'm paraphrasing here because I was taking notes,
00:38:08.280 she said that one of the factors she considered in dismantling the girl's witness identification of him was that
00:38:18.280 Solomon Hajj Solomon is from a different cultural background from that of each of the complainants.
00:38:25.280 She said this too makes it difficult for those complainants to discriminate the features of the accused when the offender is in a group of people possessing those same features.
00:38:36.280 So, you know, even in my notes, I was sort of shocked to hear that because I said, I actually wrote,
00:38:43.280 does this mean the judge thinks that those little girls are racist, that they can't tell the difference between one Syrian and another? 0.96
00:38:51.280 I just thought it was appalling, but she wasn't done there.
00:38:54.280 She actually called into question the girl's identifications of Solomon Hajj Solomon from the witness stand.
00:39:03.280 She, again, said that there were few people in the courtroom that were of a different cultural background for these girls to choose from when they were trying to identify the offender.
00:39:15.280 She also said that the use of an interpreter may have tainted the girl's IDs from the stand.
00:39:22.280 So the fact that Solomon Hajj Solomon asked for a word-for-word Arabic offender or Arabic translator was actually used against the girls when they made their witness identification from the stand.
00:39:36.280 And what on earth does that have to do with how a guy looks who gropes them?
00:39:40.280 I mean, he wasn't chatting with them in English or Arabic when he allegedly groped them at the West Edmonton Mall of Water Park.
00:39:48.280 Those are so irrelevant.
00:39:50.280 Let me put it to you this way.
00:39:52.280 If a juror or a witness had said those racist, bigoted things that that judge just said, they would have been discredited.
00:39:59.280 Oh, you're saying all brown people look alike, or you're saying white people can't look at brown people.
00:40:05.280 Those are so, and what gets me, Sheila, is that you're saying that Solomon had Solomon himself, and his lawyer himself didn't dare make such a racist, stupid argument.
00:40:20.280 And we'll have to wait and see what the judge puts in her written verdict.
00:40:24.280 But I've never heard of this as a rule of law, as a established law, that if someone has a translator, you can't believe someone identifying them.
00:40:35.280 Someone is a different race. 0.84
00:40:36.280 Like, it just sounds so made up.
00:40:39.280 This cries out for an appeal.
00:40:41.280 Based on what you've said, and again, we're still waiting for the ruling.
00:40:44.280 I am absolutely certain that it will not be appealed, because this is one of Trudeau's Syrian refugees. 1.00
00:40:50.280 And the Attorney General of Alberta, and whatever input the feds have, they do not want it on the record that we have brought over the rape culture from Syria.
00:41:04.280 And so, Solomon had Solomon has been acquitted, in part because, as you say, oh, the girls were white, so they're just a bunch of racists, so we can't trust them, so he didn't do it.
00:41:14.280 This is a disgrace.
00:41:16.280 I feel like I'm in the United Kingdom now, not in Canada.
00:41:19.280 I feel like we're listening to their rape gangs now. 1.00
00:41:21.280 There wasn't a rape here, but there was a mass groping. 0.93
00:41:23.280 And I think the perp just walked, even though the judge acquitted them.
00:41:27.280 You know, and you did raise the point that the defense didn't even have the gall to raise this argument.
00:41:35.280 It came from the judge, just yanked out of thin air.
00:41:37.280 Nobody made this argument at trial.
00:41:40.280 You know, and there's another level in this.
00:41:43.280 One of the young ladies is not particularly light-skinned.
00:41:48.280 She's, you know, pretty close to the same skin tone as Solomon has Solomon. 0.70
00:41:53.280 So, I mean, this argument just falls flat on its face.
00:41:59.280 These girls were denied justice. 1.00
00:42:01.280 They couldn't even hear the end of the verdict from the judge.
00:42:05.280 They left the courtroom before the judge finished, because they knew exactly how this was going to go.
00:42:11.280 And I think there's a great injustice that part of the judge's reasoning was because she thought these little girls were racist. 0.87
00:42:19.280 What's the judge's name?
00:42:21.280 Judge Lester.
00:42:23.280 It's a woman, isn't it?
00:42:25.280 Yes, yeah.
00:42:26.280 You know, I think she, like so many politically correct leftists, she's all about feminism until someone with a higher poker hand in the politically correct Olympics comes along. 1.00
00:42:38.280 And one of Justin Trudeau's Syrian migrants, well, if these girls have to pay the price for Trudeau's Syrian policy, that's just the way it is. 1.00
00:42:47.280 I say again, he was acquitted under law.
00:42:50.280 According to the law, he is not a convict.
00:42:52.280 He is not guilty.
00:42:53.280 I say to you, this looks like a highly irregular ruling.
00:42:56.280 We'll have to wait till we see the actual written judgment before we can say that with any firmness.
00:43:02.280 But I feel like our justice system failed, but that is its result.
00:43:05.280 As of today, Solomon had Solomon is not guilty of this crime, even though six girls pointed to him and say he did it.
00:43:13.280 Last word to you, Sheila.
00:43:15.280 Well, time is running out on this appeal.
00:43:17.280 They have 30 days from the date of the acquittal for the Crown to appeal.
00:43:24.280 But I think there's another failing here, not just of the justice system, and that was of the mainstream media.
00:43:29.280 There were probably three or four other journalists sitting in that courtroom the same day as me,
00:43:35.280 and not one has reported on the fact that the judge cited these cultural differences as a reason why Solomon Hadj Solomon was acquitted
00:43:45.280 and the girls' identifications were thrown away.
00:43:48.280 And I think that's a real failing here, that this is the lens through which we get the news.
00:43:53.280 Yeah.
00:43:54.280 Well, Sheila, I've always said you're the best reporter in Alberta.
00:43:57.280 The NDP certainly thinks so.
00:43:59.280 They tried their best to have you banned.
00:44:01.280 Your last two best-selling books shows that there's a demand for your reportage.
00:44:05.280 I think you've proved that here in this very important case.
00:44:07.280 When we get the written verdict, come back on the show.
00:44:10.280 Let's talk about it then.
00:44:12.280 Sure.
00:44:13.280 I have to say these girls are a sacrifice zone for both the provincial and federal government. 1.00
00:44:20.280 And that terrifies me because I've seen the thousands of girls in the United Kingdom who are a sacrifice community for the politics of multiculturalism and open borders.
00:44:30.280 We have brought the rape culture to our country, and you saw it firsthand in Edmonton.
00:44:35.280 I did.
00:44:36.280 I did.
00:44:37.280 And as a mom of two young girls, it was hard to see what those girls were put through in their attempt to get justice and then to be denied at the end of it all.
00:44:46.280 Yeah.
00:44:47.280 All right.
00:44:48.280 There you have it.
00:44:49.280 Sheila Gunn-Reed, our Alberta Bureau Chief.
00:44:50.280 I say again, Solomon Hatch Solomon has been found not guilty.
00:44:53.280 In the eyes of the law, he is not a criminal.
00:44:56.280 In the eyes of the people, well, I'll leave that to you.
00:45:00.280 Stay with us.
00:45:01.280 More ahead on The Rebel.
00:45:03.280 Well, what do you think?
00:45:15.280 I went through a lot of the footage of Justin Trudeau.
00:45:18.280 There's so much word salad, and he gets into this mode.
00:45:21.280 He starts bobbing his head a little bit.
00:45:23.280 You can tell he's trying to emote and be a bit of a thespian. 0.73
00:45:27.280 That's his training, a substitute drama teacher.
00:45:30.280 If you actually look at his words, if you put them on paper, they don't make a lot of sense.
00:45:35.280 And if you put them on paper and compare them, he's contradicting himself.
00:45:38.280 Three different explanations, three different versions.
00:45:42.280 I think he's a liar.
00:45:45.280 Or maybe he's just a BS-er, a bluffer.
00:45:47.280 Maybe he doesn't even remember.
00:45:49.280 I mean, there's surely been so many women he's treated this way.
00:45:52.280 I mean, just what he does in plain sight.
00:45:55.280 He touches every woman he meets.
00:45:58.280 He's on the tush.
00:46:00.280 He close, hugs them.
00:46:01.280 He's a close.
00:46:02.280 I mean, I'm not saying it's all sexual, but I am saying it's a habit with him.
00:46:06.280 It's his dominance.
00:46:07.280 It's how he treats other people.
00:46:09.280 I always found it odd when he would see a wedding and go in for a kiss to the bride.
00:46:15.280 Who does that?
00:46:16.280 Who does that?
00:46:17.280 What a creepy weirdo.
00:46:19.280 I say it again.
00:46:20.280 He's like Gian Gomeschi.
00:46:22.280 His whole life, in Gian Gomeschi's case, women's studies, being a feminist, was just cover for what he was really like in private.
00:46:32.280 I think it's the same with Justin Trudeau.
00:46:35.280 I think he's a handsy, gropey creep.
00:46:39.280 And the whole feminist shtick, I think it was just a cover. 1.00
00:46:43.280 What do you think?
00:46:44.280 Tell me if you think I'm wrong.
00:46:45.280 Send me an email.
00:46:46.280 Answer at the rebel.media.
00:46:47.280 Tell me if you think this was just a one-time lack of judgment.
00:46:51.280 Tell me if you think it only happens when Trudeau's drunk or high.
00:46:55.280 Or tell me if you think, as I increasingly do, that no, he's a permanent, low-level predator
00:47:04.280 who just finally got caught in an amazing lie.
00:47:08.280 That's our show for today.
00:47:10.280 Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, goodnight, and keep fighting for freedom.
00:47:21.280 Thank you.