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Halloween costume fight puts Pakistani man, African man and Aboriginal woman at odds. Who should win？


Summary

A fight over a Halloween costume pits a Pakistani man, an African-American man, and an Indigenous woman against each other in a political correctness Olympics. Who should win? Ezra Levant explains why Halloween costumes are for kids and childish politicians.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Tonight, a fight over a Halloween costume pits a Pakistani man, an African man, and an Aboriginal woman against each other in a political correctness Olympics.
00:00:09.480 Who should win? It's November 2nd, and you're watching The Ezra Levant Show.
00:00:18.980 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?
00:00:22.800 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.
00:00:26.400 You come here once a year with a sign, and you feel morally superior.
00:00:30.000 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my bloody right to do so.
00:00:40.040 You know the thing about Halloween costumes? Well, there's two things, actually.
00:00:43.200 The first is, it's for kids.
00:00:45.260 Sure, I accept that sometimes adults dress up for a lark.
00:00:49.120 I'm not against a costume party for adults. I mean, it could be fun.
00:00:51.980 For a charity fundraiser, it could be fun. If you're in showbiz, it could be fun.
00:00:54.940 But I think we can agree that Halloween is pretty much for children and childish politicians.
00:01:00.960 But the second thing is, by definition, wearing a costume means you're pretending to be something you aren't.
00:01:08.220 Otherwise, it's not a costume, right?
00:01:09.560 I mean, not to harp on Trudeau, but you must agree that it's weird and childish and perhaps speaks to his desire to be someone else other than who is or other than he is,
00:01:20.840 or just to get away from who he is, that he has posed for pictures in literally dozens of costumes.
00:01:28.800 It's really endless.
00:01:32.460 And not just at Halloween parties with kids.
00:01:35.040 I can understand that, maybe.
00:01:37.420 But he dresses up in costumes at work, too.
00:01:42.160 In Parliament.
00:01:44.500 There's no kids in Parliament.
00:01:46.460 He just does it.
00:01:48.400 Because that's his intellectual level.
00:01:50.160 But deeper, I think, his emotional level, he wants to be free like Peter Pan.
00:01:54.200 And he was free for the first 35 years of his life when he just bummed around on his trust fund.
00:01:59.800 So point one, Halloween costumes are for kids and for Justin Trudeau, the man-child.
00:02:06.960 But point two is Halloween is, by definition, pretending to be someone you're not.
00:02:13.360 That's why Trudeau loves it.
00:02:15.320 He's not really built to be a leader or to be a policy wonk or a diplomat negotiating trade deals.
00:02:20.480 He's a playboy, a fantasy boy, a ladies' man, whatever.
00:02:23.400 He wants escapism.
00:02:25.140 Look at that one.
00:02:25.660 That's a good one, eh?
00:02:27.560 It's weird for an adult, I think.
00:02:29.420 It was fun for kids.
00:02:31.860 But just to emphasize my point, if you are a cowboy for real, if your job is cowboy in the prairies,
00:02:38.720 you don't dress up as a cowboy for Halloween because you are a cowboy already.
00:02:42.820 Maybe you dress up as an astronaut.
00:02:45.220 Because it's about pretending you're someone you're not just for one night.
00:02:49.520 Otherwise, it's just your normal clothes, not a costume, right?
00:02:51.880 A cowboy doesn't dress up as a cowboy for Halloween.
00:02:54.840 My point being, of course, a costume is cultural appropriation.
00:02:59.300 If you dress up as a cowboy or as an Indian, if you dress up as anything you're not, you're
00:03:04.420 appropriating something else.
00:03:05.620 But that's actually part of life, isn't it?
00:03:07.280 We each learn from each other.
00:03:08.820 We borrow from each other.
00:03:09.720 We exchange ideas.
00:03:10.660 We change each other through our interactions.
00:03:13.100 That's the history of all civilization.
00:03:14.540 It's not cultural appropriation for me, a Jew whose family 100 years ago came from Eastern
00:03:20.020 Europe, to speak English and to enjoy Italian pizza and Chinese food and listen to, I don't
00:03:26.340 know, black hip-hop music or to listen to Mozart.
00:03:29.140 Either way, this is life.
00:03:31.020 It's not cultural appropriation.
00:03:32.800 We all mark our calendars from the year Jesus was born.
00:03:36.520 Even non-Christians do.
00:03:37.960 It's 2018.
00:03:38.940 We all use Arabic numerals.
00:03:42.580 Even non-Arabs do.
00:03:44.400 That is not cultural appropriation, people.
00:03:46.240 It's life.
00:03:48.240 Which is all an introduction to this funny little story out of Manitoba.
00:03:51.500 Oh, I got this story for you today.
00:03:53.420 This is a student newspaper out at U of M, University of Manitoba.
00:03:57.500 And the headline is, UMSU apologizes after student wears indigenous garb to hub event.
00:04:05.200 Now, UMSU, of course, means the University of Manitoba Students' Union.
00:04:08.940 So those are little baby politicians in training.
00:04:10.940 They're the worst, by the way.
00:04:11.820 I remember the Students' Union when I was in college.
00:04:14.460 I was on the Students' Union for a year.
00:04:15.980 It's the worst.
00:04:17.320 It's a training ground for bullies and Marxists and social justice warriors and mooches.
00:04:21.340 It's all bad.
00:04:22.760 The hub that they refer to, it's a student hangout.
00:04:26.300 Here's the sub-headline.
00:04:28.800 Indigenous student wore headdress as part of village people costume.
00:04:34.560 So what's the problem with that?
00:04:35.940 Why the apology?
00:04:36.720 I mean, like I said before, if you're a cowboy, dressing up as a cowboy isn't a costume.
00:04:43.840 If you're Aboriginal, dressing up in a native headdress isn't really a costume.
00:04:48.440 I mean, it's not something Aboriginal people wear all the time on on the street, but it's
00:04:52.900 not really make-believe, is it?
00:04:53.920 It's not a costume, is it?
00:04:54.840 But the story gets better and it gets weirder.
00:04:56.840 Can I read?
00:04:57.360 I'm going to read most of it to you.
00:04:58.540 Are you ready?
00:04:58.900 UMSU issued an apology today after a student was allowed into the hub Halloween haunt, October
00:05:07.600 26th, wearing a costume that has been criticized as culturally appropriative.
00:05:13.880 The statement said UMSU has, quote,
00:05:16.080 a safe environment policy that prohibits racism in any form and in any of our spaces, including
00:05:22.820 the hub.
00:05:23.680 And we recognize that cultural appropriation is a form of racism, people.
00:05:29.260 Well, I don't know what U of M is known for these days.
00:05:31.780 I think my dad got his medical degree there half a century ago.
00:05:34.640 I think he was known as a good med school back then.
00:05:36.620 But I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that U of M's expertise these days is grievance
00:05:42.200 studies, wouldn't you say?
00:05:43.880 I mean, that language, culturally appropriative, you're being culturally appropriative, and I
00:05:48.020 find that problematic.
00:05:49.960 I don't even think appropriative is a word.
00:05:53.600 But I bet you can get a degree in cultural appropriation studies.
00:05:59.900 By the way, when I was a kid, safe environment meant, you know, no smog or no poison in the water.
00:06:04.980 I think today it means adults, young adults, but they're adults nonetheless, being able
00:06:08.960 to go to a costume party in a bar without seeing a costume that triggers me.
00:06:14.360 I'm triggered.
00:06:16.260 I mean, all that bothers these kids or these young adults is someone pretending to be someone
00:06:23.020 they're not.
00:06:24.580 But that's all costumes.
00:06:29.520 Why would you even go to a Halloween party if you don't like people dressing up as someone
00:06:32.260 they're not?
00:06:32.680 Why not just call it going out for beers?
00:06:36.600 Which I think is cultural appropriation of, I don't know, what, Irish or German traditions?
00:06:41.100 Are you even allowed to have fun anymore, or is that appropriating some culture?
00:06:44.740 Anyway, let me read some more from this story, because this is where it starts to get good.
00:06:48.220 The costume in question, a headdress, feathered headgear typically given to Indigenous leaders
00:06:55.220 as gifts and used for ceremonial occasions by Indigenous groups, sparked debate over social
00:07:00.380 media after U of M Indigenous Students Association co-president Alana McKay posted a screenshot of
00:07:06.920 an Instagram photo of the Halloween haunt, tagging it, my culture is not a costume.
00:07:11.640 So here's that Instagram picture by Alana McKay, who is Aboriginal, but I think she's appropriating
00:07:18.760 a Scottish or an Irish name.
00:07:20.160 I'm going to take that up with her.
00:07:21.700 Anyway, she writes,
00:07:22.600 When a University of Manitoba Students Union, UMSU Business, the hub, social club, is allowing
00:07:30.580 people to appropriate Indigenous culture at their events, as well as, and UMSU executive
00:07:37.860 liking these photos, a lot of exclamation points in there.
00:07:42.200 Like, how many times do we have to, F-U-C-K-I-N-G, say, our culture is not a costume, my culture
00:07:49.120 is not a costume?
00:07:52.140 She's pretty mad.
00:07:53.120 She used a lot of exclamation points.
00:07:56.220 Someone is allowed to wear an unapproved costume to a costume party, and someone else
00:08:03.240 liked the photo.
00:08:05.500 This is the worst, people.
00:08:07.200 Now, you can wear a costume in a mocking way, I think, but I think wearing an Aboriginal headdress
00:08:15.200 like that picture there, I think you can wear it in a positive way, a cool way, a complimentary
00:08:20.360 way.
00:08:21.140 I would feel that way, at least, if I was wearing that.
00:08:24.600 Strength and pride and Canadian history.
00:08:26.920 I mean, you could say that Aboriginal history is an essential part of Canadian history.
00:08:31.240 Can we not embody it on a day we're invited to dress up in costume?
00:08:33.960 Like, sports teams named after Indians, the Atlanta Braves, the Cleveland Indians.
00:08:39.760 It's a compliment.
00:08:40.660 No one names their sports team after something weak and embarrassing.
00:08:43.780 But to be super politically incorrect, look at the elbows on that person wearing that headdress
00:08:48.100 there.
00:08:48.260 Put it back up on the screen for a second.
00:08:50.640 Look at the picture of the person.
00:08:53.920 Do you see the elbows there?
00:08:56.340 I don't mean to be politically incorrect, but that's pretty dark skin.
00:08:59.100 And I know that's not culturally appropriate to say so.
00:09:04.440 I'm going to get back to that dark skin in a second.
00:09:07.880 But that person is, sorry to say, the brown.
00:09:11.000 Can I say that?
00:09:12.280 I'm going to come back to that in a moment.
00:09:15.360 So there's Alana McKay who's freaking out.
00:09:17.780 She's an Aboriginal activist.
00:09:18.920 Here's her Facebook page, which is a form of cultural appropriation.
00:09:23.060 I just have to figure out how.
00:09:24.020 And here's what she said the day before Halloween.
00:09:28.700 She said,
00:09:29.360 Since taking on these positions in student politics, I've come to realize that toxic masculinity
00:09:33.960 and patriarchy is something that needs to be addressed.
00:09:36.680 Some days I'll find myself shrinking so I won't have to deal with it.
00:09:39.660 Then I remember I was raised by a matriarch who sacrificed so much for me to be where I
00:09:43.460 am.
00:09:43.940 And that shrinking myself in these rooms won't help change that.
00:09:46.360 So until then, I'm okay with men feeling threatened by my very presence.
00:09:49.160 All right, so she's looking for a fight and she's laying out some insults to men, calling
00:09:54.640 men toxic.
00:09:56.740 So that's okay, but don't you dare wear an Aboriginal headdress to a costume party.
00:10:00.680 So let me read some more from this unintentionally great story in the student's paper.
00:10:05.640 The photo was liked by UMSU, Vice President of Finance and Operations, Mbuli Machi, who has
00:10:14.540 publicly apologized.
00:10:15.580 This apology is great.
00:10:16.480 Ready?
00:10:16.600 I was going through a couple of Hub Halloween social posts and I was liking through them,
00:10:21.840 he said.
00:10:22.580 I was liking through them because they were posted at the Hub and I wanted to be supportive.
00:10:27.700 I wasn't by any marks trying to be malicious or be culturally insensitive, he said.
00:10:32.760 I should have been more aware with my actions.
00:10:36.720 So you can see that guy, just so you know who we're talking about here.
00:10:40.180 Scroll down to Mbuli Machi.
00:10:42.820 Yeah, there he is.
00:10:44.320 Looks like a really friendly guy.
00:10:45.460 Look at that big smile.
00:10:48.160 Total racist, people.
00:10:50.620 He is obviously culturally insensitive.
00:10:54.840 What a toxic white male.
00:10:56.700 Or maybe he's not white.
00:10:57.820 I have to ask him.
00:10:58.580 I don't want to assume his gender and I don't want to assume his race.
00:11:01.660 But the important thing is he's deeply, deeply sorry that he liked a picture at a Halloween
00:11:07.560 costume party.
00:11:08.380 And he'll probably have to purge that bigotry by going to some re-education training.
00:11:12.760 He's obviously a racist.
00:11:14.720 I mean, I think he might even be a white supremacist.
00:11:18.140 He's probably a Trump supporter just by looking at him.
00:11:21.300 But I have not got to the top of the mountain in this story here yet.
00:11:24.960 It gets more incredible.
00:11:25.880 It gets better.
00:11:27.220 Take a look at this.
00:11:27.880 Let me read a few paragraphs.
00:11:29.700 Ready?
00:11:29.800 The individual wearing the costume, U of A student Shoka Subadar, said he is indigenous.
00:11:38.200 And the costume was meant to refer to the village people, a disco group best known for its use
00:11:42.500 of costumes.
00:11:43.320 I won't defend the actions of wearing the outfit that is in question.
00:11:48.340 However, I will explain the situation accurately, he said.
00:11:52.260 As the photo was taken from the back, it is impossible to tell that I was wearing sunglasses
00:11:56.940 and, in fact, was portraying Angel Morales of the band of village people.
00:12:02.020 Being that I am of indigenous background, the intent of the outfit was not to mock nor ridicule
00:12:06.960 indigenous culture.
00:12:08.180 However, Subadar also apologized to anyone who was hurt by these actions.
00:12:13.600 However, my intent was never to inflict pain.
00:12:17.800 According to Sanderson, the only white guy in this story, multiple employees at the hub
00:12:22.540 had approached Subadar, but allowed him to stay when he explained he himself was indigenous.
00:12:29.120 Hub manager Brandon White called the response a gigantic assumption.
00:12:34.140 It was a young man who was ignorant of his own teachings and learnings.
00:12:37.620 And thought that he was celebrating his culture because he was indigenous himself, he said.
00:12:43.200 White, who is Métis, said he reached out to Subadar personally.
00:12:47.540 We certainly don't condone racism in any way, shape, or form, or cultural appropriation,
00:12:51.600 but in this case, it's clearly, by definition, his own culture, so it's not being appropriated,
00:12:56.120 he said.
00:12:57.620 I just feel bad for him that he thought he was celebrating his culture, but he was ignorant
00:13:01.620 to the fact that it was obviously quite disrespectful.
00:13:03.900 Now, did you miss, did you miss the key moment here?
00:13:09.620 The guy wearing the costume, who said he was Aboriginal, you see those brown arms there.
00:13:16.400 His name is Shoka Subadar.
00:13:19.920 That is a Pakistani name, Subadar.
00:13:26.240 It's an ancient name from India and Pakistan.
00:13:28.820 It goes back centuries.
00:13:30.660 No one else in the world is named Subadar.
00:13:32.720 It's like the Jewish name Shapiro, or the Irish name O'Reilly.
00:13:38.560 Subadar is Pakistani.
00:13:40.900 You might recall us talking about another Subadar.
00:13:42.680 This Muslim extremist in Ontario named Omar Subadar teaches Muslim men how to beat their wives.
00:13:50.500 I don't know if you remember, we talked about him before.
00:13:52.160 He's super gross.
00:13:54.060 My point is, Subadar is a Pakistani name.
00:13:58.340 Here's Ashoka Subadar's photo on his LinkedIn page.
00:14:02.220 This is the kid from Manitoba.
00:14:04.560 He's brown.
00:14:06.520 It's a Pakistani name, maybe Indian.
00:14:09.300 As in India, not Aboriginal.
00:14:11.360 He should have just said, I'm Indian.
00:14:13.260 And it would be true, I suppose.
00:14:14.720 When he says he's Aboriginal, maybe he means he's indigenous to India or something.
00:14:20.980 But imagine all those people coming up to him in the bar and complaining,
00:14:23.940 and him just looking them straight in the eyes and saying,
00:14:26.980 I'm Aboriginal.
00:14:28.080 Stop racisting me, or I'll blow my hate crime whistle at you.
00:14:31.300 And they blink.
00:14:33.720 They buy it.
00:14:34.760 They back down.
00:14:37.280 I mean, if a white girl named Rachel Dolezal can get a job
00:14:39.780 with the black lobby group called the NAACP,
00:14:42.880 why can't a Pakistani man call himself Indian?
00:14:48.740 I mean, Bruce Jenner calls himself Caitlyn Jenner now.
00:14:51.280 Who are you to say otherwise, you bigot?
00:14:54.600 And they bought it, I think.
00:14:57.180 Now, I have a question for you.
00:14:58.060 If we shut down the University of Manitoba,
00:15:01.280 everything except, say, their useful departments,
00:15:04.180 like the School of Agriculture,
00:15:07.580 do you think anyone would even notice?
00:15:09.680 If we shut down all the grievance studies,
00:15:11.980 all the student politicians,
00:15:13.580 all the human rights commissions,
00:15:15.160 all the bitching and moaning,
00:15:19.020 do you think society as a whole would progress or regress?
00:15:22.060 And don't say kids these days,
00:15:24.980 because these are the baby politicians
00:15:27.400 and the baby journalists
00:15:28.780 and the baby social justice warriors
00:15:30.880 who in a few years
00:15:31.780 will be infecting the grown-up parliament
00:15:34.660 and the grown-up courts
00:15:36.080 and human rights commissions and newspapers.
00:15:38.260 They're in training.
00:15:40.840 They're going to be a disaster.
00:15:43.620 Stay with us for more.
00:15:44.720 We'll be right back.
00:16:14.720 It's us now live via Skype.
00:16:17.460 David, can you hear me?
00:16:20.880 I can, Ezra.
00:16:22.460 It's a pretty bad internet connection where we are,
00:16:25.080 so I hope we don't lose each other.
00:16:26.680 But if we do, don't take it personally.
00:16:28.880 Okay.
00:16:29.660 Well, I saw your first video that you're on the scene.
00:16:33.620 I understand you had to drive a while
00:16:35.520 to catch up with the caravan.
00:16:37.560 We'll see all your reports at caravanreports.com.
00:16:41.040 But tell me a little bit about what it's like.
00:16:43.600 I mean, is it really 5,000-plus people?
00:16:46.220 Is it men, women, children, mainly men?
00:16:48.960 How does it even work,
00:16:50.660 moving that big of a flock down a highway?
00:16:57.340 Well, Ezra, in regard to the demographics,
00:17:00.340 I would say it's easily 85% young men under 35, 30.
00:17:07.000 There are indeed some women, there are some children,
00:17:11.500 and there are some infants in diapers as well here.
00:17:16.040 And, you know, it is a really arduous journey.
00:17:19.500 There's no doubt about it.
00:17:20.480 It must be in the mid-30s where we are right now.
00:17:23.220 We just had a torrential downpour.
00:17:24.340 And as for numbers,
00:17:27.960 we were talking to some Mexican human rights people
00:17:31.900 off-camera last night.
00:17:34.120 They said it peaked at around 7,000.
00:17:36.900 They suspect it's about 5,000 right now.
00:17:40.100 It's really impossible to get an accurate number
00:17:43.320 on such a moving target,
00:17:45.040 but it is definitely in the thousands, Ezra.
00:17:47.500 When you say mid-30s, that's degrees Celsius,
00:17:49.980 so it's almost 100 degrees Fahrenheit.
00:17:53.340 How do people, like, are people in trucks or buses?
00:17:56.500 Where do they sleep at night?
00:17:58.160 I mean, you're going through towns and villages.
00:18:00.420 How do they eat?
00:18:01.700 How do they sleep?
00:18:02.700 How do they go to the bathroom?
00:18:04.680 I'm curious about the logistics
00:18:06.460 because I have trouble believing
00:18:09.160 this is a natural, organic movement.
00:18:12.740 My suspicion is that it's being professionally organized.
00:18:16.660 Can you speak to any of these logistical issues?
00:18:18.740 Can you see any organizers?
00:18:22.740 Well, Ezra, on the question of,
00:18:25.760 since you raised going to the bathroom,
00:18:27.600 there is definitely an organization at play here
00:18:32.400 in terms of we came across the municipal city
00:18:35.520 and the town we were staying last night,
00:18:37.700 and there were dozens and dozens and dozens
00:18:40.180 of porta-potties.
00:18:41.120 In fact, on the highway towards there,
00:18:42.700 we saw some flatbed trucks with those porta-potties
00:18:45.680 and it never clicked in.
00:18:47.080 Oh, of course.
00:18:48.360 That's not for a concert that's happening.
00:18:50.380 That's for the migrants and the migrant caravan.
00:18:54.940 When it comes to trying to find anybody on the ground,
00:18:59.820 in terms of are you an organizer?
00:19:03.920 Where's the money coming from?
00:19:05.700 Are you getting paid?
00:19:06.620 And I'm talking even the people with bullhorns,
00:19:09.020 barking orders, Ezra.
00:19:10.760 You just get absolutely the Sergeant Schultz routine.
00:19:15.960 I know nothing.
00:19:16.880 I saw nothing.
00:19:18.300 And it's...
00:19:19.400 But clearly, there is some money
00:19:23.280 and there is some organization behind this.
00:19:25.660 As for sleeping arrangements,
00:19:27.680 it's a mixture, Ezra.
00:19:28.960 There's people that carry their own tents with them.
00:19:31.140 As we saw last night,
00:19:32.980 there were people looking at clothes stores,
00:19:36.800 auto mechanic shops,
00:19:38.080 finding anything with an awning,
00:19:39.800 which was a good idea
00:19:40.620 because it was a torrential downpour.
00:19:42.440 And they just sleep there.
00:19:43.920 And what I equate it to,
00:19:46.000 it's like, imagine being in your city or your town,
00:19:48.840 anywhere you live in Canada,
00:19:50.000 and overnight more than 5,000 homeless people descend
00:19:54.940 and just camp out.
00:19:57.220 And you can imagine, you know,
00:19:58.900 the kind of mess you're going to run into.
00:20:02.700 And even to that fact, the danger,
00:20:06.200 we wanted to embed ourselves last night with the crowd.
00:20:11.360 But under the cover of the darkness,
00:20:13.120 the authorities we spoke to said
00:20:14.820 that would not be a very good idea at all.
00:20:17.320 Oh, now you said that the vast majority of these migrants
00:20:21.740 are young men under the age of 35
00:20:24.540 or even under the age of 30.
00:20:26.540 Do they seem to come from a particular background?
00:20:31.720 I saw some other footage.
00:20:33.240 They had backpacks.
00:20:34.280 They looked almost like they had some sort of training.
00:20:37.880 I don't know if it was Antifa-style training
00:20:41.180 or paramilitary,
00:20:43.240 or they're just young guys looking for an economic opportunity.
00:20:46.900 Can you describe at all?
00:20:49.060 I know your cameraman speaks Spanish,
00:20:51.700 and you've been able to obviously talk to those
00:20:54.460 who know any English.
00:20:55.680 What have you been able to find out
00:20:57.740 about these young men themselves?
00:21:01.660 Well, they all sing from the same song sheet
00:21:05.100 in that regard, Ezra,
00:21:06.960 that they are in such a terrible economic plight.
00:21:10.840 Primarily, the migrants are from Honduras,
00:21:13.960 but from Guatemala and El Salvador, too.
00:21:17.420 And they're merely trying to, you know,
00:21:20.600 better their lives,
00:21:21.680 which is understandable by going to the United States.
00:21:25.160 However, when you ask them,
00:21:27.000 what about applying, you know,
00:21:29.540 to immigrate legally,
00:21:30.840 it is always the same answer.
00:21:33.040 It takes too long,
00:21:34.440 and it costs too much.
00:21:35.900 And Ezra, I think that's a big problem here,
00:21:37.860 because if this 5,000-plus flotilla of migrants
00:21:42.780 in this caravan is allowed into the U.S.,
00:21:45.800 what does it say to all those thousands and thousands
00:21:49.440 of immigrants trying to immigrate legally into the U.S.,
00:21:53.040 spending years in some cases,
00:21:55.180 spending thousands of dollars
00:21:56.980 on immigration lawyer fees?
00:21:59.660 What does it say to them
00:22:00.740 if the reality on the ground is,
00:22:03.520 hey, hop a fence, come in illegally?
00:22:05.960 So it would be a terrible precedent,
00:22:08.380 and you can see why President Donald Trump
00:22:10.540 is mobilizing the military on the border
00:22:13.560 and not allowing this to happen.
00:22:15.800 Yeah.
00:22:16.140 So you mentioned they're all seeking economic opportunity.
00:22:19.360 I think that's pretty obvious.
00:22:20.940 But just to be clear on that point,
00:22:23.160 none of them are claiming
00:22:24.220 that they're actual refugees fleeing from danger.
00:22:28.680 They're just looking to get rich, I suppose.
00:22:32.820 But no one here is claiming
00:22:34.360 that they're being persecuted
00:22:35.680 because of their race or religion
00:22:38.100 or anything that's traditionally
00:22:39.760 countries give asylum to refugees for.
00:22:45.780 Indeed, Ezra.
00:22:46.920 And I think one of the appalling narratives
00:22:49.640 I've seen in some media outlets
00:22:51.360 is comparing this migrant caravan
00:22:53.820 to the plight of the St. Louis,
00:22:56.900 the ship that was full of Jews
00:23:00.340 fleeing Nazi Germany in 1939
00:23:02.880 that sought refuge in Canada
00:23:05.960 when there was a liberal prime minister
00:23:08.040 in Canada at the time
00:23:09.320 and in the U.S.
00:23:10.600 when there was a Democrat in power
00:23:12.200 as a president
00:23:12.840 and they were told,
00:23:14.800 no, they had to sail back.
00:23:16.160 And hundreds of those Jews, of course,
00:23:17.820 ended up dead once they got back to Germany.
00:23:20.660 This is not the same issue.
00:23:22.000 Those Jews were not seeing
00:23:24.260 greener economic pastures.
00:23:27.000 They were literally fleeing for their lives.
00:23:29.640 And that was proven by the fact
00:23:31.160 that so many had to pay with their lives
00:23:33.260 when they were sent back.
00:23:35.000 These people, and don't get me wrong,
00:23:37.060 I mean, when you see the poverty
00:23:38.380 in Central America, it's heartbreaking.
00:23:41.060 I mean, it's very hard
00:23:41.920 to better yourself here.
00:23:43.380 But it is all about economic enrichment.
00:23:46.540 And apparently it's, you know,
00:23:49.760 the mindset, Ezra,
00:23:51.300 is that it takes too long,
00:23:53.000 it's too expensive,
00:23:53.680 and it's not a sure thing
00:23:54.820 if we apply legally.
00:23:56.340 Let's hop the fence, roll the dice,
00:23:58.600 and find out what happens
00:24:00.640 once we're in the U.S. illegally.
00:24:03.480 Can I ask you,
00:24:04.520 do you see any other journalists there?
00:24:06.920 I suspect you're the only
00:24:08.700 Canadian journalist there.
00:24:10.580 Do you see American journalists?
00:24:12.160 Do you see European journalists?
00:24:13.980 Is it just too big a group
00:24:15.760 for you to detect the other journalists?
00:24:18.660 Are there any other English speakers?
00:24:20.800 Tell me who else is there.
00:24:23.660 Yes, we've encountered some journalists.
00:24:25.620 There was a camera crew from San Diego.
00:24:27.700 They were here.
00:24:28.720 There was a freelancer,
00:24:30.980 I assume, for Der Spiegel in Germany.
00:24:33.940 We bumped into him a couple of hours.
00:24:35.680 There was a woman from Japan who lives here.
00:24:38.540 She was covering it for the Japanese media.
00:24:41.040 And I have not seen any Canadian media here,
00:24:46.100 that is for sure.
00:24:48.340 And, you know, speaking of media, Ezra,
00:24:51.040 it's very funny to see how this is being spun
00:24:54.100 in some circles.
00:24:55.400 I filed a quick hit about,
00:24:58.040 you might have seen it a few days ago,
00:24:59.540 The Guardian came out
00:25:00.660 and reported that
00:25:02.680 one of the real drivers behind this exodus
00:25:05.460 is climate change.
00:25:07.380 And they base this on a couple of farmers
00:25:09.960 who, because of bad weather
00:25:11.960 for the last couple of seasons,
00:25:13.340 have lost their crops.
00:25:14.800 Well, you know,
00:25:15.620 since the inception of farming,
00:25:17.540 farmers have had to endure
00:25:18.800 with bad weather,
00:25:20.240 bringing about crop failure.
00:25:22.000 So I just found it, you know,
00:25:24.720 perversely humorous
00:25:26.200 that The Guardian was saying,
00:25:28.840 not this might be a factor,
00:25:30.380 but this is a big reason.
00:25:32.260 This is maybe the reason
00:25:33.840 why these migrants
00:25:35.960 are moving north climate change.
00:25:37.720 And then again, Ezra,
00:25:38.500 if you even buy into that narrative,
00:25:40.360 well, aren't we being told
00:25:42.140 by the climate hucksters
00:25:43.280 that climate change
00:25:45.060 affects the entire planet,
00:25:46.980 you know, from, you know,
00:25:48.280 the South Pole to the North Pole?
00:25:49.900 So how is running off to Texas
00:25:52.740 or Arizona or Utah or wherever
00:25:54.540 going to escape, you know,
00:25:56.500 the nemesis that plagues the planet
00:25:58.220 known as climate change?
00:25:59.900 Yeah, it's a pretty ridiculous explanation.
00:26:01.760 Now, I remember when
00:26:03.800 this caravan got going,
00:26:05.440 and I think you're with
00:26:06.100 the first caravan.
00:26:07.800 There's a second caravan,
00:26:09.340 and today I see news
00:26:10.440 of a third caravan forming.
00:26:13.160 I remember Donald Trump tweeted
00:26:15.280 that he expects
00:26:17.360 the Mexican government
00:26:19.040 and other Latin American governments,
00:26:20.700 Central American governments,
00:26:22.160 to stop this caravan,
00:26:23.860 or he will punish them
00:26:25.380 by removing foreign aid.
00:26:27.540 I thought it was
00:26:28.340 very dramatic language,
00:26:29.400 but obviously
00:26:30.180 it hasn't done the job.
00:26:31.980 I know there was
00:26:32.500 some Mexican military
00:26:34.060 at a border,
00:26:35.720 but they gave way.
00:26:36.980 Can you tell me
00:26:38.320 if you see any evidence
00:26:40.280 of Mexican military
00:26:41.780 or Mexican police
00:26:43.380 or any authorities
00:26:45.020 trying to stop this,
00:26:46.640 or are they actually assisting it?
00:26:48.320 Well, you know,
00:26:51.120 that's a good point,
00:26:52.360 as just an hour ago,
00:26:53.700 as a matter of fact,
00:26:54.680 we were passing by a truck,
00:26:56.380 a transport truck,
00:26:57.600 loaded to the brim
00:26:58.800 with the migrants,
00:27:01.600 and they passed a checkpoint
00:27:03.160 of the federal police,
00:27:06.080 the Mexican federal police,
00:27:07.780 and they waved at the police,
00:27:09.300 and the police waved back.
00:27:10.920 And it looks like
00:27:13.020 Mexico is pursuing
00:27:14.320 deterring the caravan
00:27:16.820 with the carrot
00:27:17.700 rather than the stick.
00:27:19.060 And by that I say
00:27:19.920 they've made offers
00:27:21.060 to the migrants,
00:27:24.620 if you end this now,
00:27:26.220 we will give you a job,
00:27:27.560 we will give you health care,
00:27:28.820 we will give you shelter.
00:27:30.460 And about an estimated
00:27:32.300 2,000 have taken advantage of it.
00:27:34.980 That's why the numbers
00:27:35.800 have dropped.
00:27:36.720 But there are reports
00:27:37.740 that this is a ruse,
00:27:38.980 that, you know,
00:27:40.100 the Mexicans are
00:27:41.760 or will be deporting
00:27:43.700 these people
00:27:44.360 back to their home countries.
00:27:47.840 And certainly,
00:27:48.700 with the Mexicans
00:27:49.500 we've spoken to
00:27:50.580 in certain communities,
00:27:51.980 they're upset by this
00:27:52.960 because there is
00:27:54.020 unemployment here,
00:27:55.180 and they're saying,
00:27:55.940 look, I'm a law-abiding Mexican
00:27:57.780 trying to get ahead,
00:27:58.740 trying to get a good job.
00:27:59.980 How is it that we have
00:28:01.020 jobs all of a sudden
00:28:02.260 for people from Honduras?
00:28:05.440 And then again, Ezra,
00:28:07.440 about two hours ago,
00:28:08.980 we saw something
00:28:10.600 really remarkable.
00:28:11.540 We were passing
00:28:12.120 through the town
00:28:12.860 of Aguilera,
00:28:14.380 and it was almost surreal.
00:28:16.160 It was like
00:28:16.820 the Mardi Gras parade
00:28:18.700 in reverse.
00:28:19.840 The people from
00:28:20.640 the town of Aguilera
00:28:21.740 came out
00:28:22.280 and they lined the highway,
00:28:23.900 and as the trucks
00:28:25.960 came by,
00:28:26.760 loaded with migrants,
00:28:28.200 they were throwing
00:28:28.940 food,
00:28:30.560 bottles of water,
00:28:31.960 items of clothing.
00:28:34.060 Like, I say Mardi Gras
00:28:35.220 in reverse,
00:28:35.700 because usually
00:28:36.100 when you see
00:28:36.500 the Mardi Gras floats,
00:28:37.440 the people on the floats
00:28:38.340 were throwing
00:28:39.020 trinkets and trash
00:28:41.520 to the people
00:28:42.280 lining the parade route,
00:28:43.280 but this was the opposite.
00:28:44.760 And they were cheering
00:28:45.740 them on.
00:28:46.220 It was very much
00:28:46.900 a carnival-like atmosphere,
00:28:48.600 and this was a pretty,
00:28:50.060 you know,
00:28:50.540 poor town
00:28:51.500 by the looks of things.
00:28:53.000 I think,
00:28:54.180 you know,
00:28:54.580 from the people
00:28:55.220 I spoke to there,
00:28:56.900 Ezra,
00:28:57.660 this is kind of
00:28:58.520 the Mexicans
00:28:59.240 giving the middle finger
00:29:00.480 to Trump
00:29:01.080 that, you know,
00:29:02.360 you've said some things
00:29:03.680 about us,
00:29:04.340 you want to build the wall.
00:29:05.360 Well, guess what?
00:29:06.800 Look at this guest list
00:29:08.560 of 5,000
00:29:09.440 we're sending your way.
00:29:10.780 Good luck with it.
00:29:11.880 Isn't that interesting?
00:29:12.800 So rather than
00:29:14.660 regarding these
00:29:15.900 transient migrants
00:29:17.240 as a nuisance
00:29:18.880 or as even
00:29:20.280 an invader,
00:29:21.220 they think,
00:29:21.640 go,
00:29:22.080 you keep going,
00:29:22.900 you stick it to Trump
00:29:23.840 and you're representing us.
00:29:26.220 That sounds like
00:29:26.840 what you described
00:29:27.560 in that town of Aguilera.
00:29:30.980 Yes,
00:29:31.580 that's certainly
00:29:32.180 what happened.
00:29:33.080 Whereas the town
00:29:33.900 we were in last night,
00:29:35.180 we noticed
00:29:36.380 that there were
00:29:36.980 cab companies
00:29:37.820 that were giving
00:29:39.160 the migrants
00:29:40.480 a free ride
00:29:41.220 out of town.
00:29:42.280 And at first
00:29:42.720 I thought,
00:29:43.180 wow,
00:29:43.780 you know,
00:29:44.100 again,
00:29:44.480 a pretty,
00:29:45.000 you know,
00:29:45.680 downtrodden,
00:29:46.400 impoverished place.
00:29:47.860 Why such altruism?
00:29:49.780 And then
00:29:50.100 I was
00:29:50.680 quickly corrected,
00:29:52.540 Ezra,
00:29:53.060 it's not really
00:29:53.780 charity here.
00:29:55.000 It's,
00:29:55.480 let's get this problem
00:29:57.340 out of our town,
00:29:59.100 you know,
00:29:59.600 hunt it down
00:30:00.360 the field,
00:30:01.360 so to speak,
00:30:01.880 so somebody else
00:30:02.900 has to deal with it
00:30:03.660 because clearly
00:30:04.540 we don't have
00:30:05.360 the resources
00:30:06.240 and the infrastructure
00:30:07.200 to deal with this
00:30:08.520 mini-invasion
00:30:09.820 of 5,000 people.
00:30:11.520 And by the way,
00:30:12.000 when I say invasion,
00:30:13.360 Ezra,
00:30:13.620 that again,
00:30:14.640 especially the people
00:30:16.020 on the left,
00:30:17.180 is a loaded word.
00:30:18.900 But the way
00:30:19.320 I look at it
00:30:20.140 is that
00:30:20.960 if you have
00:30:21.800 five,
00:30:22.280 at one point,
00:30:22.840 7,000
00:30:23.720 uninvited guests
00:30:25.440 breaking the law,
00:30:27.460 coming to your country
00:30:28.560 to go over the border
00:30:30.720 illegally,
00:30:32.800 is that not
00:30:33.960 the textbook definition
00:30:35.400 of invasion
00:30:36.180 even though
00:30:36.780 these people
00:30:37.340 aren't packing weapons?
00:30:38.980 Yeah.
00:30:39.340 Well,
00:30:39.640 let me ask you
00:30:40.180 about that
00:30:40.580 because Donald Trump
00:30:42.120 said that at least
00:30:42.920 in the second wave,
00:30:44.840 maybe he was referring
00:30:45.640 to the first one,
00:30:46.680 there were some
00:30:47.500 bad hombres,
00:30:48.720 there were some
00:30:49.440 criminals.
00:30:50.480 We saw a statement
00:30:51.700 by a Latin American
00:30:52.620 political leader
00:30:53.260 that there were
00:30:53.620 some ISIS terrorists
00:30:55.180 detained.
00:30:55.660 I don't know
00:30:57.040 much about that report.
00:30:59.740 Have you seen anyone
00:31:00.780 who looks like
00:31:01.600 a gang member,
00:31:02.360 the characteristic
00:31:03.200 MS-13 face tattoos?
00:31:05.740 Have you seen anyone
00:31:06.680 wearing a bandana,
00:31:08.680 anyone holding a weapon,
00:31:10.540 even if it's just a knife
00:31:12.720 or a Molotov cocktail?
00:31:14.620 I saw one clip
00:31:15.640 on Twitter.
00:31:16.300 Have you seen anyone
00:31:16.980 who looks aggressive
00:31:17.760 or even like a gang?
00:31:20.900 I have to admit,
00:31:22.320 Ezra,
00:31:22.580 I have not seen that.
00:31:23.820 I've certainly not seen
00:31:24.540 anybody
00:31:24.980 that is Middle Eastern
00:31:26.460 in nature because
00:31:27.180 there were those
00:31:27.660 kind of reports
00:31:28.380 of ISIS people
00:31:29.660 being embedded.
00:31:30.720 I haven't seen
00:31:31.560 any weapons.
00:31:33.040 I haven't seen
00:31:34.020 any of their paraphernalia
00:31:35.180 associated with MS-13.
00:31:37.460 But I have to tell you,
00:31:38.420 when I speak to the locals
00:31:39.520 here,
00:31:40.460 they tell me
00:31:41.980 that the organized
00:31:43.240 crime syndicates
00:31:44.360 in Mexico,
00:31:45.120 especially the ones
00:31:46.460 that run
00:31:46.960 illicit border trade
00:31:49.260 of illegal drugs
00:31:51.280 and prostitution
00:31:54.400 and whatnot,
00:31:55.500 they're not happy
00:31:56.680 because when you think
00:31:57.780 about it,
00:31:58.140 Ezra,
00:31:58.700 this is kind of
00:32:00.020 bad for their business
00:32:01.520 in two regards.
00:32:02.240 One is the impending
00:32:03.840 border clampdown.
00:32:05.600 It's going to be
00:32:06.420 so much harder
00:32:07.160 to smuggle
00:32:07.800 the bad stuff
00:32:08.580 into the U.S.
00:32:09.440 when the U.S.
00:32:10.300 military
00:32:10.840 is active.
00:32:13.080 And secondly,
00:32:14.520 a coyote operation.
00:32:15.900 These are the guys
00:32:16.760 that transport
00:32:17.780 illegals.
00:32:18.940 You're looking at
00:32:19.920 $5,000 to $7,000.
00:32:21.840 That's a fortune
00:32:22.960 for somebody
00:32:24.120 from Honduras.
00:32:25.400 Probably at least
00:32:26.540 two years' salary.
00:32:28.680 And these are the guys
00:32:29.800 that, you know,
00:32:30.940 jerry-rigged a truck
00:32:31.900 to get you
00:32:33.840 across the border.
00:32:34.860 So in that respect,
00:32:36.600 too,
00:32:37.240 they don't like
00:32:38.800 what's happening.
00:32:40.400 So it's kind of
00:32:41.920 an interesting sidebar
00:32:43.340 in terms of
00:32:44.040 the bad guy element.
00:32:45.500 Well, you've been,
00:32:47.120 I'm glad
00:32:48.260 your cell phone
00:32:49.040 connection is held up here.
00:32:50.140 I just have one more question
00:32:51.280 that goes back
00:32:51.780 to something you said
00:32:52.440 right at the beginning.
00:32:53.200 You said there's guys
00:32:54.520 with bullhorns
00:32:55.540 directing things.
00:32:57.260 You saw the trucks
00:32:59.300 pulling all those
00:33:00.080 portable toilets.
00:33:02.300 So there's obviously
00:33:03.420 someone doing
00:33:03.960 logistical planning,
00:33:04.980 planning the route,
00:33:06.260 shepherding people.
00:33:07.340 It's obvious.
00:33:08.020 I mean, you just don't
00:33:08.540 have 5,000 people moving
00:33:10.220 just for food,
00:33:11.520 water, medicine,
00:33:13.040 accommodations alone.
00:33:13.980 It just doesn't happen.
00:33:15.500 Have you been able
00:33:16.800 to detect at all
00:33:18.040 how these 5,000 people
00:33:20.700 were chosen?
00:33:21.560 Where they come from?
00:33:22.620 If there's anything
00:33:23.460 that binds them
00:33:24.820 or unites them?
00:33:25.480 Are they communicating?
00:33:26.780 I heard that there was
00:33:27.700 a lot of communications
00:33:28.480 on an app
00:33:29.760 that's popular in,
00:33:31.540 not so popular
00:33:32.340 in North America,
00:33:33.300 but WhatsApp
00:33:33.840 is the name of the app.
00:33:35.540 It's owned by Facebook
00:33:36.500 that is popular
00:33:37.260 in Latin America.
00:33:38.900 That's how people
00:33:40.000 are organized
00:33:40.640 through WhatsApp groups.
00:33:42.560 And most of the planning
00:33:44.840 is done sort of
00:33:45.560 under the radar
00:33:46.860 that the media
00:33:47.780 can't see.
00:33:48.460 Have you heard anything
00:33:49.660 about how these people
00:33:50.620 were picked?
00:33:51.420 How they coordinated?
00:33:52.980 How they're paid?
00:33:54.200 I assume some of these
00:33:55.140 people are making money
00:33:56.120 on the trip alone,
00:33:57.020 even just to pay
00:33:57.760 for their incidentals.
00:33:59.060 Have you ever been able
00:33:59.900 to detect any of these
00:34:01.120 things, David?
00:34:05.040 Not yet, Ezra.
00:34:06.080 So it's, of course,
00:34:07.180 the key question
00:34:08.000 to everyone I speak to.
00:34:09.480 Where is the money
00:34:10.140 coming from?
00:34:11.100 Who's organizing this?
00:34:12.600 Who's managing this?
00:34:14.020 They all say
00:34:14.780 they don't know.
00:34:15.940 They all infer
00:34:17.320 or imply that
00:34:18.320 it's very much
00:34:19.060 an organic thing.
00:34:20.400 I can tell you that,
00:34:21.520 you know,
00:34:21.720 from the research
00:34:22.460 I did before leaving Canada,
00:34:23.680 it seems that
00:34:24.300 there was an individual,
00:34:25.940 Bartolo Fuentes,
00:34:27.680 a Honduran ex-lawmaker,
00:34:29.940 who was helping
00:34:31.240 a group
00:34:32.160 to, you know,
00:34:34.720 to do this caravan.
00:34:35.940 And local
00:34:36.540 Honduran media
00:34:37.780 reported
00:34:38.940 erroneously,
00:34:40.600 at least according
00:34:41.180 to Mr. Fuentes,
00:34:42.620 that join this group
00:34:43.800 and you're going
00:34:44.260 to be getting benefits
00:34:45.440 and something
00:34:46.440 that was expected
00:34:47.700 to be about
00:34:49.340 to
00:34:50.560 again,
00:34:53.140 is that true?
00:34:54.320 I don't know.
00:34:54.920 It's something
00:34:55.580 that is
00:34:57.100 but, you know,
00:34:58.660 connecting the dots
00:34:59.640 in terms of
00:35:00.800 the money behind it
00:35:01.900 and who's behind it
00:35:02.860 and also, Ezra,
00:35:04.120 you know,
00:35:04.360 the theory of
00:35:05.020 when you look
00:35:05.580 at the timing,
00:35:06.380 it's just before
00:35:07.460 the U.S. mid-elections
00:35:10.660 for Tuesday
00:35:11.720 and in that regard,
00:35:13.940 if this was meant
00:35:14.660 to be a political
00:35:15.960 embarrassment
00:35:16.640 for Donald Trump,
00:35:18.300 I might argue
00:35:19.060 the opposite
00:35:19.620 is happening here, Ezra.
00:35:21.320 There was a Pew
00:35:22.320 research poll
00:35:23.340 and it showed
00:35:24.720 that 73%
00:35:26.440 of Republicans,
00:35:28.780 rather,
00:35:29.820 of people
00:35:30.400 who identify
00:35:31.360 as Republican
00:35:31.960 vote Republican,
00:35:33.220 73%
00:35:34.020 consider
00:35:34.880 immigration,
00:35:36.080 illegal immigration,
00:35:37.300 a hot-top issue,
00:35:39.120 whereas the figure
00:35:40.260 for those
00:35:41.120 who vote Democrat,
00:35:42.140 it's only 19%.
00:35:43.800 And I think
00:35:45.660 images
00:35:46.400 of these thousands
00:35:47.280 of people
00:35:47.940 heading towards
00:35:48.800 the U.S. border
00:35:49.500 saying, you know,
00:35:50.400 we don't care
00:35:50.860 what Mexico's offering,
00:35:51.860 we don't care
00:35:52.240 if you're putting
00:35:52.540 the military there,
00:35:53.240 we're coming,
00:35:54.040 like it or not.
00:35:54.660 But I think
00:35:55.580 for Tuesday,
00:35:56.700 this is something
00:35:57.400 that'll mobilize
00:35:58.320 the vote
00:35:59.260 for the Republican Party.
00:36:00.380 So if this
00:36:01.480 was meant
00:36:02.060 to cause
00:36:03.400 embarrassment,
00:36:04.680 you know,
00:36:04.940 to be a political
00:36:05.720 albatross
00:36:06.420 for Donald Trump,
00:36:07.560 I think it has
00:36:08.140 the potential
00:36:08.580 to do the precise
00:36:09.340 opposite, Ezra.
00:36:10.800 I don't want
00:36:11.660 to flog a dead horse
00:36:12.420 in you being generous
00:36:13.380 to your time.
00:36:13.780 I just have one
00:36:14.240 last question.
00:36:15.200 You mentioned
00:36:15.860 people with bullhorns.
00:36:18.280 I don't have a bullhorn.
00:36:19.640 I don't know anyone
00:36:20.460 in real life
00:36:21.100 who has a bullhorn.
00:36:21.900 That's a specific tool
00:36:23.040 that an organizer
00:36:24.800 would have.
00:36:25.920 And frankly,
00:36:27.040 if you're in Honduras
00:36:28.320 or El Salvador,
00:36:29.360 you're not going
00:36:29.920 to spend 30 bucks
00:36:31.720 on a bullhorn.
00:36:32.720 So that's someone
00:36:33.600 who was organized
00:36:34.500 and had some money.
00:36:36.100 That's not a normal
00:36:36.800 thing to have.
00:36:39.680 Those people
00:36:40.480 are obviously
00:36:41.120 of a higher level,
00:36:42.380 an organizer.
00:36:43.140 They wouldn't be
00:36:43.800 someone who's just
00:36:44.540 swept up or said,
00:36:45.940 well, I heard a promise.
00:36:47.160 Have you been able
00:36:47.900 to communicate at all
00:36:49.300 with those obvious
00:36:50.720 ringleaders,
00:36:51.600 those obvious,
00:36:52.680 someone with a bullhorn,
00:36:53.740 someone giving instructions?
00:36:55.260 Are any of them
00:36:56.360 transparent at all?
00:36:57.680 Do any of them
00:36:58.340 talk to you in any way?
00:37:01.500 Well, as a matter of fact,
00:37:02.620 Ezra, last night
00:37:03.780 at a hotel
00:37:04.880 where we stayed at,
00:37:05.900 there was a dining room
00:37:06.860 and we were told
00:37:08.660 off camera
00:37:10.080 by an official,
00:37:11.680 a Mexican official,
00:37:13.000 that the table
00:37:13.720 of three people
00:37:14.720 eating dinner,
00:37:17.340 you might want
00:37:17.900 to talk to them
00:37:18.620 because she identified
00:37:20.000 them as organizers.
00:37:21.540 We knew they wouldn't
00:37:22.420 come on camera
00:37:23.040 with us,
00:37:23.540 so we went over
00:37:24.300 with the hidden camera,
00:37:27.340 which we will
00:37:28.220 upload later.
00:37:30.440 And I got to speaking
00:37:31.980 with them
00:37:32.340 on a casual basis,
00:37:34.100 but again,
00:37:34.900 they stuck to their script
00:37:36.060 that the only one
00:37:38.280 at the table
00:37:38.780 that spoke English
00:37:39.480 was the lady
00:37:40.100 who is an indigenous
00:37:41.440 Mexican,
00:37:42.680 and she said,
00:37:44.140 this is just
00:37:44.740 an organic thing.
00:37:46.420 I'm paraphrasing
00:37:47.380 right now,
00:37:48.320 and also she said,
00:37:50.060 I found this
00:37:50.700 really fascinating,
00:37:51.640 Ezra,
00:37:52.100 because I said,
00:37:52.680 you know,
00:37:53.060 these people
00:37:53.780 are committing
00:37:54.260 a crime
00:37:54.960 figuratively and literally
00:37:57.180 by walking over
00:37:58.480 Mexican sovereignty
00:37:59.900 as they make this
00:38:01.120 march to the U.S.
00:38:02.000 And she said
00:38:02.900 something I thought
00:38:03.520 that was preposterous,
00:38:04.500 which was,
00:38:05.300 it's not really
00:38:05.980 a crime to come
00:38:06.820 into Mexico
00:38:07.480 without papers,
00:38:09.600 right?
00:38:09.860 And I thought,
00:38:11.680 well,
00:38:12.120 wait a minute.
00:38:13.380 I've been to Mexico.
00:38:14.600 This is my fourth time.
00:38:16.680 I'm not getting
00:38:17.540 into the country
00:38:18.260 without a passport.
00:38:20.120 And as a matter of fact,
00:38:21.020 Ezra,
00:38:21.460 just flying down here,
00:38:22.840 we were held over,
00:38:24.280 I was personally held up
00:38:25.660 for extra security screening
00:38:27.260 in Mexico City
00:38:28.960 for the connecting flight,
00:38:31.120 so much so
00:38:31.900 that I missed
00:38:32.800 my connecting flight,
00:38:34.100 and I had to pay
00:38:34.880 $440 U.S.
00:38:36.940 to get on the next flight out.
00:38:39.240 So it's a really
00:38:41.060 interesting dynamic
00:38:42.020 that according to her,
00:38:43.480 oh yeah,
00:38:44.080 Mexico,
00:38:44.660 it's a happy place.
00:38:45.740 You don't need
00:38:46.080 any kind of thing
00:38:47.020 like a passport or ID.
00:38:48.540 You can walk in
00:38:49.520 all the way to the U.S.
00:38:50.660 if you want.
00:38:51.180 And meanwhile,
00:38:51.660 somebody legally
00:38:52.360 flying from Canada,
00:38:53.860 I get scrutinized
00:38:55.760 to the nth degree.
00:38:57.540 Bizarre.
00:38:58.220 Well, obviously,
00:38:59.020 we'll cover that
00:38:59.740 $440 expense for you.
00:39:01.680 We're crowdfunding
00:39:02.360 this whole trip, David.
00:39:04.400 We're grateful
00:39:04.700 for you going down there.
00:39:06.480 We've got you.
00:39:07.340 We've got your cameraman,
00:39:09.300 Efron,
00:39:09.700 who speaks Spanish
00:39:10.480 and is doing a great job,
00:39:12.040 the two of you.
00:39:13.060 You have a driver there,
00:39:14.380 which is important
00:39:15.100 because you want to make sure
00:39:16.100 you don't go down
00:39:16.720 the wrong place.
00:39:17.760 So we do have expenses,
00:39:19.280 several thousand dollars,
00:39:20.500 and now the extra $440,
00:39:22.460 that's fine.
00:39:23.560 If folks want to chip in
00:39:25.000 and see your other reports,
00:39:26.900 it's a little bit better camera.
00:39:28.300 You're talking to us
00:39:29.380 via cell phone now,
00:39:30.360 so it's a little blurry,
00:39:31.680 but your other reports
00:39:32.640 are in high def.
00:39:34.440 People can see
00:39:35.560 all your reports
00:39:36.320 at caravanreports,
00:39:38.120 plural,
00:39:39.080 dot com,
00:39:40.060 and if people feel compelled
00:39:41.500 or moved
00:39:42.360 to chip in,
00:39:43.540 whether it's 50 bucks
00:39:44.460 or 100 bucks
00:39:45.260 or even five bucks
00:39:46.160 to help cover your costs,
00:39:47.300 I'd be grateful
00:39:47.880 and I know you would too.
00:39:49.820 I guess my last word to you
00:39:51.220 would be stay safe,
00:39:52.340 my friend,
00:39:53.120 and film as much as you can,
00:39:55.540 and we look forward
00:39:56.160 to your return,
00:39:57.600 and I think you're doing
00:39:58.640 important news.
00:39:59.300 I know you're telling
00:40:00.020 the other side of the story
00:40:00.960 and asking questions
00:40:01.940 that the mainstream media won't.
00:40:03.760 Last word to you.
00:40:06.200 Looks like maybe we lost
00:40:07.460 the cell phone connection there.
00:40:08.940 I was just inviting David
00:40:10.740 to say a last word.
00:40:13.320 I'm glad we had the amount
00:40:14.640 of time on the cell phone
00:40:15.680 that we did.
00:40:16.940 David will have a chance
00:40:17.840 to say many last words
00:40:19.140 at his filed reports
00:40:21.140 at caravanreports.com,
00:40:24.940 so I'm sure I'll pick up
00:40:25.980 that conversation with him later.
00:40:27.760 Stay with us.
00:40:28.700 Your letters to me
00:40:29.560 next after the break.
00:40:42.820 Hey, welcome back.
00:40:43.740 Some letters on my monologue
00:40:45.140 yesterday about Trudeau
00:40:46.000 raising immigration
00:40:46.720 to historic high levels.
00:40:49.420 Paul writes,
00:40:50.540 the Trudeau liberals
00:40:51.140 are not interested
00:40:51.840 in what Canadians want
00:40:52.900 or don't want.
00:40:53.740 They're interested
00:40:54.320 in what their globalist pals want.
00:40:56.900 Yeah, that's not just
00:40:57.500 speculation on your part.
00:40:58.840 As you may recall,
00:40:59.700 in 2006, Trudeau signed
00:41:03.060 a contract with George Soros'
00:41:05.880 New York-based
00:41:06.540 Open Societies Foundation
00:41:07.840 for them to draft
00:41:10.660 Canadian immigration policy.
00:41:12.560 That's not a speculation
00:41:13.740 or a conspiracy theory.
00:41:14.900 It's just what Trudeau did.
00:41:16.960 And there is no globalist
00:41:18.260 more intense or hardline
00:41:20.400 than George Soros.
00:41:22.740 Billy writes,
00:41:23.760 why Somalia?
00:41:24.800 There are Christians
00:41:26.020 being murdered en masse
00:41:27.120 in Nigeria, Egypt, etc.
00:41:29.460 Well, I should remind you
00:41:31.020 that under Stephen Harper,
00:41:31.960 there was a special
00:41:32.560 refugee category
00:41:33.400 for communities in danger
00:41:36.440 in the Middle East,
00:41:38.440 namely Christians
00:41:39.340 in Iraq and Syria
00:41:40.500 and Egypt.
00:41:41.580 And they were
00:41:42.480 the truly vulnerable people.
00:41:43.940 And Jason Kenney
00:41:44.700 and Stephen Harper
00:41:45.400 had a special track for them.
00:41:47.200 Trudeau ended that
00:41:49.280 when he became prime minister.
00:41:50.540 And he also ended
00:41:52.600 the private refugee sponsorship
00:41:55.400 because those were
00:41:56.700 largely Christian churches.
00:41:58.100 He prefers Muslim migrants.
00:42:01.320 And by the way,
00:42:01.820 there is no Muslim genocide.
00:42:03.840 There's no one who says,
00:42:04.700 I'm going to kill
00:42:05.100 all the Muslims.
00:42:05.760 It just doesn't happen.
00:42:08.620 There are plenty of people
00:42:09.580 who said,
00:42:09.880 we're going to kill
00:42:10.300 all the Christians,
00:42:12.040 kill all the Jews.
00:42:13.820 There aren't really
00:42:14.660 any Jews left in places
00:42:15.580 like Iraq, Syria, Egypt anymore.
00:42:17.980 But there are Christians
00:42:18.860 and Trudeau has closed
00:42:20.200 the door to them.
00:42:22.400 Susanna writes,
00:42:23.760 as an employer
00:42:24.480 in highly specialized
00:42:25.560 retail industry,
00:42:26.560 I can tell you
00:42:27.340 that I couldn't
00:42:27.940 and wouldn't employ
00:42:29.200 any of the so-called
00:42:29.920 migrants from Somalia.
00:42:31.360 It would take far too long
00:42:32.200 to train them
00:42:32.620 and I don't have the resources
00:42:33.540 to undertake
00:42:34.140 such humanitarian project.
00:42:35.880 With razor-thin margins,
00:42:37.200 I need experienced staff
00:42:38.220 who speak English fluently.
00:42:40.600 Well, that's a great point.
00:42:41.780 I mean, Trudeau Syrians,
00:42:44.760 90% of them
00:42:45.400 haven't found work
00:42:46.080 in three years.
00:42:47.260 Most of them
00:42:47.840 don't speak English or French.
00:42:50.200 So they're not going
00:42:52.000 to find work
00:42:53.020 in the foreseeable future.
00:42:55.900 And they seem
00:42:56.980 to be doing fine
00:42:57.760 with that
00:42:58.080 because of the
00:42:58.620 extremely generous
00:42:59.640 welfare programs
00:43:00.940 and they've gained
00:43:01.640 the system.
00:43:02.260 They're getting about
00:43:02.680 50 grand per family
00:43:03.820 a year from the feds
00:43:05.060 and then there's
00:43:05.520 all the other layers too.
00:43:07.740 So I don't think
00:43:08.520 it's going to work.
00:43:09.500 But the good news is
00:43:10.440 the civil war in Syria
00:43:11.400 is over.
00:43:12.480 Syrians can return
00:43:13.260 to that country.
00:43:14.380 And I think
00:43:15.340 it would be better
00:43:16.380 for Canadians
00:43:17.120 if they returned
00:43:18.460 and it would be better
00:43:20.040 for the Syrian migrants
00:43:21.200 if they return.
00:43:22.040 And if we want to
00:43:22.720 give them a $10,000
00:43:24.100 going away present,
00:43:26.020 that's a bargain
00:43:27.220 compared to the funds
00:43:28.740 we're spending
00:43:29.180 on them now.
00:43:29.760 I don't think
00:43:30.720 we're going to heal
00:43:31.380 the entire world
00:43:32.340 by bringing a fraction
00:43:33.780 of the world's problems
00:43:34.500 to Canada
00:43:35.100 and hoping they'll
00:43:36.020 just dissipate.
00:43:36.980 I think if we want
00:43:37.520 to heal the world
00:43:38.140 we can focus on,
00:43:39.620 I don't know,
00:43:41.100 fixing the problems
00:43:42.220 over there
00:43:42.800 and not bringing
00:43:43.440 the problems
00:43:44.040 over here.
00:43:44.840 And by the way,
00:43:45.860 some problems
00:43:46.540 are just not fixable.
00:43:48.800 Somalia is a failed state.
00:43:51.220 I really don't know
00:43:52.160 what we could do
00:43:52.800 to fix it
00:43:53.400 but bringing thousands
00:43:55.080 of folks
00:43:55.680 who have no job skills,
00:43:57.180 language skills
00:43:57.760 or cultural skills
00:43:58.620 to Canada,
00:43:59.680 that ain't it.
00:44:01.560 Folks, that's our show
00:44:02.460 for today.
00:44:03.100 On behalf of all of us
00:44:03.920 here at Rebel World
00:44:04.580 Headquarters,
00:44:05.700 good night
00:44:06.200 and keep fighting
00:44:07.540 for free.