Rebel News Podcast - How censorship REALLY works today — and how Trump could lose

00:00:00.000 Hello, my Rebels. Today, I talk about the New York Post, a mighty newspaper, 200 years old,

00:00:06.040 founded by Alexander Hamilton, banned by Twitter because they're not being nice enough to Joe

00:00:12.480 Biden. I'll go through it and I'll also talk to Alan Bokhari, author of the book Deleted.

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00:00:47.540 Tonight, what if you were censored but you didn't even know it? Or phrased a different way,

00:00:52.820 how Trump can lose. It's October 19th and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.

00:00:59.300 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:03.100 There's 8,500 customers here and you won't give them an answer.

00:01:07.180 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I'm publishing it is because it's my

00:01:11.760 bloody right to do so.

00:01:21.040 Well, and I always, in an investigation interview, I always ask people, even though they've been

00:01:26.520 as thorough as you have, in summary fashion, what was your intent and purpose of your article

00:01:32.520 with the cartoon illustrations published on February 27, 2006?

00:01:36.420 Why is that a relevant question?

00:01:42.580 Under Section 3.1a, it talks about intention, purpose. We like to get some background as well.

00:01:52.620 Is it, you'd like to get some background or does this determine anything?

00:01:56.660 If we publish what we publish, the words in the picture speak for themselves.

00:02:01.720 Are you saying that one answer is wrong and one answer is right?

00:02:08.480 Well, is a certain answer contrary to law?

00:02:13.180 No.

00:02:14.120 So if I were to say, hypothetically, that the purpose was to instill hatred and cite hatred

00:02:21.160 and cause offense, are you saying that's an acceptable answer?

00:02:25.000 I have to look at it in the context of all the information and determine if it was indeed. 0.99

00:02:31.500 I think you're playing silly bugger here. I think you know that the answer here, that 0.97

00:02:37.140 that answer would be illegal.

00:02:42.300 Anything is possible, I guess. But again, I look at it. This kind of Section 3 case takes

00:02:48.360 a lot of analysis. So there's a lot of things I have to look at. That piece of information

00:02:52.420 is just one.

00:02:53.780 My answer to your question is as follows.

00:02:59.280 We published those cartoons for the intention and purpose of exercising our inalienable rights

00:03:09.620 as free-born Albertans to publish whatever the hell we want, no matter what the hell you

00:03:15.020 think.

00:03:15.420 I've probably given 200 interviews with people other than the state where I give a very thoughtful

00:03:23.860 and nuanced expression of my intent. But the only thing I have to say to the government

00:03:28.680 about why I publish it is because it's my bloody right to do so. And it's my right to do so

00:03:34.600 for reasonable intentions. And it's my right to do so for extremely unreasonable purposes.

00:03:40.600 Oh, for the good old days, when censors told you they were coming to censor you, they had

00:03:47.040 a hearing about it. They published their findings. You could appeal. That video clip, if you didn't

00:03:53.020 recognize it, was from a dozen years ago when a censor named Shirlene McGovern with a business

00:03:59.900 card, identifying her as a bureaucrat with the Alberta Government's Human Rights Commission,

00:04:04.440 came at me for publishing the Danish cartoons of Mohammed in the Western Standard magazine.

00:04:10.400 So stop right there and do an inventory. Number one, I knew the charge. Blasphemy against Islam,

00:04:17.580 really. I mean, even though they called it publishing something likely to expose a person

00:04:21.740 to hatred or contempt. It was junk law. It was illiberal law. It was unconstitutional. But at least 0.96

00:04:27.840 we knew the law I supposedly broke. Point two, I knew who the complainant was in that case. I knew

00:04:35.920 who was running the Inquisition. The complainant was an extremist imam from Pakistan named Syed

00:04:41.580 Zoharwardy. He was the complainant and Shirlene McGovern was the censor. Three, there was a process.

00:04:48.100 It wasn't fair. It wasn't the same as a civil court. There's no rules of procedure. There were no normal

00:04:53.900 standards of evidence. The concept of precedent didn't apply. There were a dozen problems with

00:04:58.940 the procedure, but there was a process and I was invited to it. Fourth, at the end of the day,

00:05:05.640 the process was subject to political oversight. My release of that videotape of my interrogation

00:05:12.200 so discredited and embarrassed the Human Rights Commission that Shirlene McGovern asked to be 0.61

00:05:17.240 transferred off my case. The cabinet minister in charge of the Human Rights Commission itself

00:05:21.140 actually called it a kangaroo court to reporters and the federal government amended their human

00:05:26.340 rights law to repeal their censorship provision. So that's an awful story with a slightly less awful

00:05:32.460 ending, but at least there was a story there. That's how censorship was done back in 2006, 7, 8.

00:05:41.100 Just FYI, the complaint was in 2006 and it took two years for those losers in the government to even

00:05:47.920 interrogate me. That's another thing. Censorship that moves at the speed of government, the laziest

00:05:53.300 bureaucrats in the country, that's somehow less terrifying, isn't it? What about now? How are you

00:05:59.180 censored now? Sure, there are still human rights complaints and government prosecutions. Here's one.

00:06:04.380 Give me a minute on this one. I see in the news that Arthur Topham is in trouble again with the

00:06:10.040 censors. You see this story here, Quinnell Mann found guilty of breaching probation on hate crime

00:06:15.240 conviction. Let me read this very short story to you. A decision was handed down on Friday for 73-year-old

00:06:21.620 Arthur Topham. He will be back in court on October 27th to set a date for sentencing. A 12-member jury

00:06:28.240 originally found Topham guilty in December of 2015 on one of two counts against him of promoting hatred

00:06:34.180 against those of the Jewish faith on his Radical Press website. He then lost a charter challenge on that

00:06:40.460 conviction in February of 2017 and received a six-month conditional sentence and two years probation.

00:06:47.720 Court documents reveal that on or around January 3rd of 2018, Topham is accused of failing to comply

00:06:53.320 with the conditions of his probation, specifically that he not publish or post to any internet site or to

00:06:59.140 any social media where such postings can be read by the general public, any information about persons of the

00:07:05.000 Jewish religion or ethnic origin. Now, that's it. That's the whole story. I've heard of Arthur Topham

00:07:10.260 before. He's a crank. He had a very obscure website with very little traffic, most of which was probably 0.93

00:07:17.320 just undercover cops and human rights hate finders. They'd been hunting this guy, Topham, for about 15

00:07:24.800 years over this stupid website he had, Radical Press. They'd had a whole jury trial, sounds like. And then an 0.98

00:07:31.380 appeal, sounds like. How much is being spent on getting this guy? It's got to be a million bucks.

00:07:36.380 And in the end, a suspended sentence as in nothing, really? Except he made a promise not to publish

00:07:43.940 anything about Jews ever again. Now, I'm not sure how that's even constitutional, really. You can't write

00:07:49.760 anything about Jews. Just, you can't. It's not a normal thing to say in a free country. If someone rants on

00:07:57.860 an obscure website that he thinks the Jews control the media, and then a group of Jews prosecute him,

00:08:04.360 shut down his website, get him banned from talking about the Jews controlling the media, 0.97

00:08:09.380 I don't think you convinced him that he's wrong. I think you spend a lot of time and money going

00:08:14.720 after a 73-year-old man who used to have a blog that no one was reading. And I have actually seen

00:08:21.240 some of the things he wrote on his website. And they're pretty garden variety anti-Jewish conspiracy

00:08:26.520 theories. Nothing you wouldn't find on any university campus. Subsidized by student fees

00:08:32.460 as part of the more excitable Muslim student groups or the anti-Israel activists who pretend not to be

00:08:39.180 anti-Semitic. They call themselves boycott, divest, and sanction activists, BDS. But they really only hate

00:08:44.320 Israel. Imagine thinking that BDS is a fig leaf for just Jew hatred. So yeah, while some really obsessed

00:08:51.140 narcs go after a 73-year-old man for saying Jews are persecuting him, just go on to Twitter,

00:08:57.980 you know, for example, and see literally millions of people saying the same thing in real time. Here,

00:09:03.660 I just typed in Jews control the media into Twitter, and I got this endless list of comments. 0.97

00:09:10.780 Here, this one, Jews start all the wars. I'm just picking these at random, and these are in English. 1.00

00:09:17.400 Try in Arabic or Farsi. You don't have to search random people, too.

00:09:26.140 There are plenty of horrible things said by official people, people that Twitter recognizes with that

00:09:32.520 little blue checkmark calling them verified. People like Ilhan Omar, the Minnesota congresswoman

00:09:37.240 who came from Somalia, or even Iran's Ayatollahs. They're allowed on Twitter.

00:09:41.600 Yeah, but you keep going after Arthur Topham, the 73-year-old crank. I think that's called a

00:09:47.260 placebo. Go after him very bravely. He's easier to take on than Islamists who arrive in Canada every 1.00

00:09:53.840 day, unvetted from parts of the world where it's just taken for granted that you hate Jews. 1.00

00:10:00.160 So my point with that little anecdote about Arthur Topham is to show you how stupid and slow and 0.99

00:10:04.900 expensive and irrelevant the official human rights anti-hate industry is. Social media vomits out a 0.99

00:10:10.680 Niagara Falls of anti-Semitism every hour. Much of it linked to terrorism. Much of it from official

00:10:16.520 states, countries. But this old crank from Quesnel, BC, he's the risk. Okay, got it. But back to

00:10:23.000 censorship. I'm all for censoring terrorists. I don't believe in censoring mere anti-Semitism or

00:10:28.700 other bigotry, though. I'm for censoring calls to violence and other crimes. Yeah, for sure.

00:10:33.720 But we can't just censor hard feelings. And yeah, I'm sorry, hate is a feeling. Sorry you can't stop

00:10:40.420 people from feeling a feeling. But if you try, especially if that feeling is hate or powerlessness,

00:10:46.880 I'm guessing they're just going to feel that feeling even more. I don't think they've convinced

00:10:51.220 Arthur Topham not to hate Jews. But what about censorship, not of terrorism and not of violence,

00:10:57.680 not even of hate, but just of conservatives that's been blurred with hate. You're a hateful 0.99

00:11:04.400 conservative. Using all the censorship apparatus that was built in the name of tackling terrorism, 0.95

00:11:10.520 tackling violence and tackling hate, whatever that is. And that brings me to the case of the New York

00:11:14.640 Post, one of the largest and oldest newspapers in America. They had the audacity to report on the

00:11:20.860 story of the year. Emails reveal how Hunter Biden tried to cash in big on behalf of family with

00:11:27.720 Chinese firms. Let me read a little bit because I'm pretty sure you didn't see this story on the

00:11:32.140 CBC. Hunter Biden pursued lucrative deals involving China's largest private energy company,

00:11:38.500 including one that he said would be interesting for me and my family. Emails obtained by the Post

00:11:43.620 Show. One email sent to Biden on May 13, 2017, with the subject line expectations, included details

00:11:50.480 of remuneration packages for six people involved in an unspecified business venture. Biden was

00:11:57.080 identified as chair, vice chair, depending on agreement with CEFC, an apparent reference to the

00:12:03.140 former Shanghai-based conglomerate CEFC China Energy Company. His pay was pegged at $850, and the email

00:12:10.660 also noted that Hunter has some office expectations he will elaborate. In addition, the email outlined a

00:12:17.760 provisional agreement under which 80% of the equity of shares or shares in the new company would be

00:12:23.360 split equally among four people whose initials correspond to the sender and three recipients with

00:12:29.020 H apparently referring to Biden. It goes on and on. There's so much more. There's many stories that

00:12:36.600 have come up since then. Biden has not refuted it. He's just mad to be asked about it.

00:12:42.700 And Mr. Biden, what is your response to the New York Post story about your thoughts, sir?

00:12:48.060 I know you'd ask it. I have no response. It's another spirit campaign right up your alley.

00:12:52.620 Those are questions you always ask.

00:12:53.800 Yeah, scolding a reporter for asking a question. Did that actually just work on the media? Oh my God,

00:13:00.960 yes it did. They're not asking about it anymore. But the news here is not that the New York Post

00:13:05.240 was summoned by some human rights commission like Arthur Topham was or me in the cartoons or anything

00:13:10.860 like that. He wasn't censored by any government. They actually have the First Amendment down there

00:13:15.620 in the U.S. No one could knock out that story like I was put on trial for the cartoons.

00:13:21.120 Except the social media companies, Twitter, Facebook. They just banned the story. They banned

00:13:25.840 anyone from linking to it. They banned anyone from repeating it. Totally locked down the Twitter

00:13:31.680 account of the New York Post itself. Banning them from speaking. It's still banned today.

00:13:36.160 Banning anyone who linked, including the official Trump campaign and various senior Trump spokesmen.

00:13:41.060 There was no complainant that we know about. Remember I had that complaint with that Muslim 1.00

00:13:45.520 imam from Pakistan in my case? There's no information at all. No chance of a hearing. No chance for a

00:13:51.660 lawyer. No chance to meet the case. No fight. No chance to fight the case. No transparency.

00:13:56.120 No neutral oversight. No rules of procedure. None of that stuff. Just click. They're banned.

00:14:00.720 Banned. By who? Oh, we don't know. Censored. Just stopped three weeks before an election.

00:14:05.440 And the rest of the media, if they weren't silent, they were cheering.

00:14:09.760 Now, the New York Post is big enough that they didn't just disappear.

00:14:13.660 They're kicking up a fuss. But who else has been deleted this way for the crime of being

00:14:18.200 conservative? Or more to the point, getting in the way of Joe Biden winning.

00:14:21.880 When I was censored, I could look my censor in the eye. Every day, millions of people are censored

00:14:27.780 by strangers and increasingly by artificial intelligence trained to copy censors. There's

00:14:33.660 no debating it. There's no hearings. You're just gone. It just didn't happen. You never existed.

00:14:41.000 You've been deleted. You're a rumor. You're de-platformed. You're unpersoned.

00:14:45.440 Coming up, I speak with the author of the new book called Deleted.

00:15:03.560 Well, a lot of Americans know the name Alexander Hamilton because of the hit Broadway musical.

00:15:09.680 But did you know that Alexander Hamilton created a mighty newspaper that's still around 200 years

00:15:17.540 later? It's called the New York Post. It's not just still around. It's bigger than ever. It's one

00:15:22.960 of the largest circulation newspapers in America. It's very flavorful. It's got that tabloid style.

00:15:31.000 But you can't link to it, at least not to certain stories in it, on Twitter. You see, the New York Post

00:15:40.320 broke a massive story that Hunter Biden, the son of Joe Biden, the former vice president and the

00:15:47.780 presidential nominee for the Democrats this time around, had massive corrupt dealings with China

00:15:54.400 and that the corruption touched Joe Biden himself, that Joe Biden was in on the take.

00:16:00.760 This information came from a laptop computer that Hunter Biden left with a Mac repair shop.

00:16:07.960 Tens of thousands of emails corroborating the story, but Twitter simply banned any links to it.

00:16:16.540 Here to help me tell this shocking story is our friend Alan Bocari, Breitbart News senior

00:16:23.060 technology correspondent and the author of the new book, Deleted Big Tech's Battle to Erase the Trump

00:16:30.560 Movement and Steal the Election. Alan, great to see you again. I've never seen censorship this bad

00:16:35.140 before. I've never seen it so blatant before. They don't care who knows. They've just got three weeks

00:16:39.820 to go, don't they? They've really crossed the Rubicon here. I mean, what was especially surprising

00:16:46.200 for me was that Facebook took the rare step of foregoing the usual plausible deniability thing

00:16:54.680 that they do, where they just wait for the third party fact checkers, who are of course all left-wing

00:17:00.040 and partisan, to rate a story before they suppress it. In this case, Facebook actually went and suppressed

00:17:06.300 the New York Post story before any of their fact checkers had provided a judgment.

00:17:12.540 But it was Twitter too, wasn't it?

00:17:15.860 Yes, Twitter sort of went a lot further than Facebook. They completely locked the New York

00:17:20.680 Post account. The New York Post account is still locked today, actually five days after the story

00:17:25.180 broke. And they're not allowing the New York Post to regain access to that account unless they

00:17:31.320 delete the original tweet containing the article. And of course, why would you want to do

00:17:36.280 that? You're implicitly admitting guilt if you do that. I certainly wouldn't want to do that.

00:17:41.880 So Twitter and Facebook, by coincidence, have both decided to nuke a late-breaking story that seems

00:17:54.760 to be meticulously corroborated by background documents. I should note that the Biden campaign,

00:18:00.420 at least as of this moment, has not discredited or claimed that this is false. They have not said

00:18:08.260 those are forgeries. They have not disowned it, as far as I know. They're simply not discussing it.

00:18:16.180 So it has not been undermined. In fact, the director of national intelligence says there's no evidence

00:18:22.200 whatsoever that this is a foreign hack or a plant. If so, it would be quite an effort. I mean, 0.78

00:18:26.720 I suppose theoretically it could be. This is simply a political judgment by Twitter and Facebook

00:18:32.040 three weeks before the vote to shut down the equivalent of Watergate in this election.

00:18:39.240 Am I right in that or is that over the top? That's not over the top at all. It's extraordinary.

00:18:43.940 The Biden campaign have not denied the veracity of the emails, and yet Twitter is still suppressing

00:18:50.640 the New York Post. It's extraordinary. And what's more, the Biden campaign has just today called the

00:18:57.060 lid. No more meetings with the press for the next few days until the debates. They're just avoiding

00:19:02.640 the media altogether, avoiding the spotlight. Not that the media would actually ask them any tough

00:19:06.640 questions about this because, you know, they're in on the suppression. I've really never seen anything

00:19:11.320 like it, trying to suppress a clearly important national story like this just a few weeks before the

00:19:17.700 election. On the Silicon Valley companies though, because the sense, this is a story that's big

00:19:25.700 enough that you can't really contain it. And the more you try to contain it, the bigger it gets.

00:19:30.200 I should add that doesn't happen to most victims of censorship. Most victims of censorship are not

00:19:34.040 heard of again because they're not big enough to create a giant media firestorm. But in this case,

00:19:39.000 I think that it's really backfired on the tech giants.

00:19:41.100 Well, maybe because you're talking about it and I'm talking about it and a lot of

00:19:46.980 extremely online people are talking about it. But like you mentioned, if the link was killed on

00:19:53.680 Twitter, if Facebook is deleting this like it's a hate crime, you have to be pretty motivated to get

00:20:00.160 these stories. You mentioned that Joe Biden has declared a lid. That's campaign speak for telling

00:20:05.660 journalists, don't worry, he ain't going to say anything in public for three days. That's a shocking

00:20:10.080 thing to do in a campaign so close to election day. But look at this. Biden was shopping,

00:20:16.240 buying some ice cream cones. And the media, who finally had access to him, look at what they asked

00:20:22.580 him. Take a look at this.

00:20:23.740 Hello, have a safe one. We got everybody no shakes, didn't we?

00:20:28.020 Yes, sir, sir.

00:20:28.740 We got everybody no shakes, didn't we?

00:20:29.700 Yes, sir, sir.

00:20:30.740 Yes, sir, in the car, sir.

00:20:31.300 All right.

00:20:31.860 We got him.

00:20:32.420 See, look.

00:20:33.540 Mr. Biden, Mr. Biden, what flavor did you get?

00:20:35.940 We got one vanilla, one chocolate, but I wanted to get a, what we call black and white,

00:20:40.900 because we're going to move it.

00:20:41.780 So my question to you, Alan, is you and I are really dialed in, but if mainstream media reporters

00:20:53.700 are just asking about ice cream cones, is this story really getting out? Like, has the New York

00:20:59.220 Times or the Washington Post dug deep here, or have they just engaged in distractions, misdirections,

00:21:06.340 downplaying? Like, if you're not part of the conservative campaign movement, do you even

00:21:12.900 know this is happening?

00:21:13.940 Well, this is the whole problem of the filter bubble that these tech giants have created in

00:21:19.540 the wake of 2016. If you're an undecided voter, and this is the real danger to Trump as well,

00:21:24.500 if you're an undecided voter today, going online, trying to find out more information about the

00:21:29.380 two candidates, all you're going to see is a stream of propaganda from the mainstream media.

00:21:34.260 If you Google Joe Biden, or if you Google Donald Trump, this is the real danger, not to political

00:21:39.380 partisans. You know, there are tens of millions of conservatives in the country who will know all

00:21:43.700 about this story. But the real danger, as you correctly point out, is, you know, will this story

00:21:50.580 ever reach undecided voters? That's an open question. And I do think that November the 3rd is going to be

00:21:57.940 a test of whether Silicon Valley can steal an election. They've certainly been trying

00:22:02.740 over the past four years. All of these new words they've invented, disinformation, fake news,

00:22:10.020 you name it, all emerged right after the 2016 election. My sources in Facebook say that people

00:22:15.380 who push the disinformation panic inside Facebook, inside these other companies as well, all the most

00:22:21.700 anti-Trump people at those companies. And then they went on to staff them. In fact, in Breitbart News,

00:22:26.820 we broke a story a couple of days ago, revealing that one of Facebook's top

00:22:34.660 global content regulators used to advise Joe Biden on Ukraine. So she was, you know,

00:22:41.220 deeply tied to this very story. That's incredible. Now, one of the things that I found most shocking,

00:22:47.300 I find it shocking that for five days now, the New York Post has been censored by Twitter,

00:22:53.460 and not a peep that I can see from Reporters Without Borders, American Civil Liberties Union,

00:22:59.300 any of the, you know, Nobel Peace Prize, Nobel Literature. Where's the professors? Where's the

00:23:05.460 mass letters signed by every journalism professor, every law professor? Where's the pro bono litigation?

00:23:11.620 Where's all that? If the shoe were on the other foot, if some company, it's impossible to even

00:23:17.940 daydream such as an alternate universe. I mean, there's nothing, there's no possible equivalent to

00:23:24.980 it. If something Trumpy shut down a Democrat voice, you wouldn't hear the end of it. But there's

00:23:31.140 silence and collusion. The crazy part is what Twitter's saying. When people try to tweet

00:23:40.580 that story, Twitter says that it's an unsafe website, an unsafe link, as if you'll get malware

00:23:51.620 by going to the New York Post, as if you'll get some computer virus. And they say it's hacked

00:23:57.460 materials, so it's against their policy. I didn't hear that when they published Donald Trump's

00:24:02.660 tax returns, which were illegally stolen. I didn't hear that over anything

00:24:05.860 from Wikipedia or any leaks. The whole Trump administration has been a leaky sieve that's

00:24:13.460 being published. Just that they're not even pretending that they're doing anything other

00:24:18.900 than being political choosers here, are they? Calling it unsafe. Yeah, I mean, that unsafe feature

00:24:25.060 that Twitter has, it just shows you what Silicon Valley has done over the past four years. What they've

00:24:29.700 done is they've taken tools that were meant to protect users from things like malware and viruses

00:24:36.820 and spam. That's what the unsafe link warning was originally intended to do. And they're now

00:24:41.220 applying it to politics. It's the same with shadow banning. Shadow banning is the covert suppression of

00:24:46.580 people's posts, so that you don't appear at the top of people's feeds. People never see what you

00:24:51.620 actually post on these platforms. Or if you create a website, people will never go to the front page of

00:24:56.020 Google. They'll be buried on page 100, page 1000. The way this used to work was, you know,

00:25:01.860 big tech companies would employ shadow banning to get rid of spam bots, to get rid of sites pushing

00:25:06.740 malware, to get rid of sites pushing illegal content. But ever since 2016, they've been using those same

00:25:13.380 tools to suppress people for political reasons. This is another thing that I've been told. You know,

00:25:17.780 this isn't just my opinion. It's what I've been told by people who work for Twitter, who work for

00:25:21.860 Google, work for Facebook. So that's, that's another, that's another thing we see with the

00:25:26.420 whole unsafe label. They're placed on the New York Post website.

00:25:31.060 Now, in recent weeks, I've seen President Trump tweet about Section 230 of the Communications

00:25:38.820 Decency Act. I've seen Josh Hawley, the Senator from Missouri say the same. You and I have talked

00:25:43.140 about that before. That's a decades old law that really helped the internet get started. It basically

00:25:48.660 said, hey, internet service providers, we're going to keep you immune from any content on your site,

00:25:56.740 as long as you stay neutral. So you're like a phone company. You can't be sued for what people say on

00:26:02.980 the phones, as long as you don't meddle. Well, they're meddling like crazy now. So changing Section

00:26:10.100 230 would make them responsible for the meddling. I see Trump tweeting about it. I see Josh Hawley saying,

00:26:15.380 I'm going to subpoena, you know, the head of Twitter. Yeah, three weeks before the end of the,

00:26:21.060 before the election. I don't know why these guys haven't done anything real in four years.

00:26:27.620 In the chance that they win again, I don't know if they're going to do anything.

00:26:32.500 Google, Facebook, YouTube, all these places, they spend more on lobbying than any other industry,

00:26:37.460 more than the oil industry, more than the arms industry. They own Washington, they own the

00:26:42.660 Republicans. I simply don't believe Donald Trump, Josh Hawley, or others when they say,

00:26:47.380 we're going to change things. Really? You're about to be killed by the folks who you promised to change

00:26:51.940 and you haven't. It really is a crocious how long the Republicans in Congress really waited to,

00:26:58.180 and, you know, and the FCC, frankly, waited to act on this issue. It's, they let it get to this

00:27:05.140 point. I mean, the real issue we have, and you touched on this before as well, you know,

00:27:08.900 how there's no outcry from, you know, the institutions and society that are supposed

00:27:13.380 to stand up for free speech, or supposed to stand up for freedom of the press, nothing from them.

00:27:18.340 We've, it shows you how far we've fallen as a society, because it, I certainly remember a time,

00:27:23.460 and I'm not, I'm not super old, when people would, it was a common thing to say, well,

00:27:27.380 I disagree with what people say, would, you know, extremists say, but they have a right to say it.

00:27:31.780 We shouldn't be pushing to ostracize someone just because they have crazy or fringe views. But

00:27:39.460 not only, you know, not only do Democrats now defend Trump supporters getting attacked in the

00:27:45.700 street by Antifa just for being a mainstream Republican Trump supporter, but also Republicans

00:27:50.980 in Congress refuse to defend, you know, the slightly crazy people who are gradually getting kicked off

00:27:56.660 these platforms over the past four years. And that just allowed them to escalate and escalate and

00:28:01.940 escalate until they finally reached the New York Post and President Trump himself. So they didn't

00:28:07.380 defend free speech for everyone. The census came for them. It was inevitable. You have to defend,

00:28:15.060 you have to defend the fringe. Otherwise, the census will inevitably escalate. That's exactly

00:28:19.940 what happened. That's why I got to this point. I will say the Trump administration in the past

00:28:24.020 six or seven months has been making some very positive moves on social media censorship.

00:28:30.340 The reason the FCC is now proposing a rulemaking change on Section 230, that critical law you

00:28:36.740 mentioned, is because the Trump administration put a petition in front of them months before this

00:28:42.740 actually happened, months before this New York Post story was suppressed. So they have been moving on

00:28:47.380 it. And I think a second term Trump would be quite positive for fixing this problem,

00:28:53.460 obviously. It could have come a lot sooner. But certainly with the Joe Biden administration,

00:28:57.860 he's going to use the power of the federal government to do the exact opposite. He's going

00:29:01.220 to use the federal government to press for even more censorship.

00:29:04.900 It's just been crazy to watch. I mean, they locked the account of the official Trump campaign.

00:29:12.100 They locked the account of Trump's official spokesman. They actually locked the account of Trump's

00:29:17.220 public public health advisor because he said something that was, what, that Twitter experts

00:29:22.820 thought was wrong. I mean, they routinely put warnings under Trump's own comments as if they're

00:29:30.660 greater experts than him. I don't see the same thing done to say the ayatollahs of Iran who still use the

00:29:37.220 site. I'm deeply depressed by what I see. I mean, I'm not positive about the election. I think it's on a knife's

00:29:45.140 edge. If you told me that Trump wins, I'd say, okay. If you told me he loses, I'd say, yeah. And if you said he

00:29:52.180 loses in a landslide, I'd say, I believe it with the amount of disinformation from the left. They accuse

00:29:59.460 Trump of disinformation while they're the ones interfering with the internet. I am not sanguine about this at all.

00:30:05.700 And I have to say, I'm increasingly in the view that any conservative online entity

00:30:12.740 like Breitbart and Rebel News, it's gone from Alex Jones being censored to the New York Post being

00:30:18.660 censored. I got to tell you, if Breitbart where you work or Rebel News where I work are around a year

00:30:25.300 from now, I'll regard that as a minor miracle.

00:30:30.020 That's, I mean, it certainly isn't a knife edge, not just the election, but as you point out, internet freedom

00:30:35.780 as a whole. It's, I will say, like, as I said, you know, the Trump administration is making some interesting

00:30:47.060 moves. I think the election itself, that's the real question. I certainly think Trump would be

00:30:54.260 winning in a landslide, winning in a landslide, if it hadn't been for internet censorship. Because

00:31:00.260 the amount of momentum that the populist movement had, largely thanks to their ability to organize

00:31:05.300 online in 2016, 2015, even 2017, was momentous. They were dwarfing, you know, the old tired liberal

00:31:14.980 globalist movements, which had no popular support, still have no popular support, really.

00:31:20.340 If that had been allowed to continue, you know, I think Trump would be easily winning this election.

00:31:25.460 The fact that it's so close is a result of internet censorship. And I think if he loses the election,

00:31:32.100 it will be because these tech platforms stole it from him. Because the way they manipulate information

00:31:38.020 is so much more insidious than the way the mainstream media propagandizes. It happens in invisible

00:31:44.260 ways you can't even, you can't even detect. That's why I wrote the book, Deleted, because

00:31:48.580 it's such a complicated topic, but such an important topic that people need to get their heads around.

00:31:53.620 Yeah. Listen, great to talk with you. Hopefully, my pessimism is not borne out. We've been talking

00:31:59.620 with our friend Alan Bocari, the Breitbart News senior technology writer and the author of Deleted,

00:32:05.300 Big Tech's Battle to Erase the Trump Movement and Steal the Election. You take care, Alan, and you stay free.

00:32:10.660 Thanks, Ezra. You too. All right. Thanks. Stay with us. More ahead.

00:32:26.660 Hey, welcome back on my show Thursday on Dr. Crowley's book, Gardeners vs. Designers. Jane writes,

00:32:31.540 Such a good interview. Gonna buy the book. Maybe more than one. Hey, well, there you go. I say,

00:32:36.820 support conservative writers. Jay writes, I will absolutely be buying this book. What a wake-up

00:32:41.540 call to us all. We've been lectured to by Trudeau and his liberal government for five years. We have

00:32:45.940 been talked down to, criticized, and dictated to for far too long. What an absolute treasure this man is,

00:32:51.380 and thank you for bringing him to our attention. Well, that's very nice of you to say about me,

00:32:56.020 and I'm sure he appreciates it, too. All right. That's the show for today, folks. Until tomorrow,

00:33:01.220 on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night. Keep fighting for freedom.

00:33:14.420 Until tomorrow.

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Rebel News Podcast - October 20, 2020

How censorship REALLY works today — and how Trump could lose

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