Rebel News Podcast - I never thought I’d say it, but Peter MacKay was right!

00:00:00.000 Hello, my rebels. I can't believe it, but the Conservative Party of Canada has proposed a carbon tax as their central platform in the upcoming federal election.

00:00:10.120 And this next statement, I can't believe either, but I've been thinking about it all day, and I think it's true.

00:00:17.280 Aaron O'Toole's carbon tax is worse than Justin Trudeau's carbon tax.

00:00:21.980 I know you're thinking, how can that be? I'll explain it to you by quoting from Aaron O'Toole's own documents.

00:00:27.900 It's unbelievable, actually. So thanks for tuning in today.

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00:01:20.840 Tonight, I never thought I'd say it, but Peter McKay was right.

00:01:40.040 It's April 15th, and this is the Ezra Levant Show.

00:01:44.660 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:48.120 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:01:52.420 The only thing I have to say to the government, the wire publisher, is because it's my bloody right to do so.

00:02:02.940 I don't have a lot of time for Peter McKay, to be honest.

00:02:05.880 I was particularly unimpressed with his run for the leadership of the Conservative Party.

00:02:10.060 I thought it was pitiful how we sort of ran away from our reporters.

00:02:14.560 First, running away from David Menzies.

00:02:16.940 Preventing me from an interview.

00:02:18.340 I just want to ask one question, not even an interview.

00:02:20.900 There's no media.

00:02:21.700 It's a question on freedom of speech.

00:02:23.880 You're welcome to get a photo.

00:02:25.020 There's no question.

00:02:25.900 So, under Peter McKay, it'll be the same as Andrew Scheer, that the rebel is not allowed to be here?

00:02:32.220 You're here, aren't you?

00:02:33.240 Excuse me.

00:02:33.920 I'm here, but I'm going to ask a question.

00:02:36.560 Yes.

00:02:36.860 Hi, Mr. McKay.

00:02:37.900 How you doing?

00:02:38.360 I just want to ask you, sir, what do you feel about Ezra Levant being interrogated by the elections commissioner?

00:02:45.980 I don't like anybody being interrogated, including right now, so...

00:02:49.840 But this is a very important freedom of speech issue, Mr. McKay.

00:02:54.800 I don't even know why it hasn't been raised in the House by your Conservative colleagues.

00:02:58.680 Do you have a comment on that?

00:02:59.820 Well, you should talk to those Conservative colleagues.

00:03:02.140 I'm not in the House of Commons, so I don't have an opportunity to raise it.

00:03:06.240 What is your opinion of the elections commissioner going after Ezra Levant simply for writing a book during an election campaign about a prime minister?

00:03:13.540 Well, I don't have any of the evidence.

00:03:14.860 I don't have any of the information other than what I've read, so we'll see.

00:03:18.480 You haven't heard about this?

00:03:19.700 I have heard about it, just briefly, but I don't have any of the facts.

00:03:22.360 Thank you, sir.

00:03:23.260 Okay, I'm being shocked.

00:03:25.300 David's so friendly, and that was such a softball question.

00:03:27.980 Why run away?

00:03:29.040 If you can't handle Menzies, you're not going to be able to handle the jackals at the CBC. 1.00

00:03:33.940 And then McKay literally ran away from Kian Bexty.

00:03:36.960 He ran into the bathroom.

00:03:38.680 That's not a very grown-up thing to do.

00:03:40.380 Peter, you, you, you, you, yeah, I didn't get an answer question.

00:03:47.580 Why'd you, why'd you take so many, why'd you take so few questions?

00:03:51.680 Peter, why'd you take so few questions?

00:03:53.660 I want to ask if you'll apologize for calling Jason.

00:03:57.000 I took all the questions that were asked of me.

00:03:58.460 I'm not sure why you took so, so few questions compared to everyone else.

00:04:01.440 They told me I was done.

00:04:08.340 Peter, sorry.

00:04:10.440 You must be confused.

00:04:11.380 The escalator was over there.

00:04:13.600 Would you be able to tell me, will you apologize to Jason Kenney?

00:04:17.160 Will you apologize to Jason Kenney for calling him angry and dismissing the concerns of Albertans?

00:04:21.640 Now, Peter McKay, rather than getting on the elevator, went to go to the potty to hide from little old me.

00:04:31.580 After he was in the bathroom for about 10 seconds to collect his courage, he went back to the escalator, fleeing again, using his campaign staff to try and distract me from asking questions and having him actually answer them.

00:04:45.380 Of course he couldn't.

00:04:46.120 Peter, you dismissed the anger in Alberta by calling Jason Kenney an angry man.

00:04:52.760 Will you apologize for that?

00:04:59.940 Will you apologize for calling Jason Kenney an angry man?

00:05:02.420 How can you not attend media by all the ladies?

00:05:04.480 I was on the phone and they didn't select me.

00:05:06.080 Oh my god, you were so busy.

00:05:08.020 You couldn't get to the previously scheduled media.

00:05:11.100 Peter McKay, you sort of look like a coward right now.

00:05:13.760 Yeah, I don't think so.

00:05:16.120 It's called winning.

00:05:17.340 Excuse me.

00:05:17.780 Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:05:19.020 We're not going into the whole hell of a day.

00:05:21.060 Sorry.

00:05:21.720 Sorry.

00:05:22.040 Can you come up, please?

00:05:23.380 McKay said that's what winners do. 0.99

00:05:26.180 But alas, he didn't win despite having so many endorsements and money and the media momentum behind him.

00:05:32.720 I wasn't a fan, and I'm still not, but I have to admit McKay got something right.

00:05:38.460 He knew that Aaron O'Toole was a phony.

00:05:40.420 He knew that Aaron O'Toole was just pretending to be conservative, and that, in fact, O'Toole was to the left of McKay, himself a notorious red Tory.

00:05:50.980 Look at this story from last year.

00:05:52.840 We should have paid more attention to it, I think.

00:05:55.520 McKay accuses O'Toole of backing a carbon tax in heated French debate.

00:06:00.360 Let me read a bit.

00:06:01.220 Conservative leadership candidate Peter McKay accused chief rival Aaron O'Toole of committing a cardinal conservative sin Wednesday, wanting to introduce a carbon tax.

00:06:10.480 McKay went as far as calling O'Toole Aaron Trudeau, riffing off the last name of the current liberal prime minister who introduced the national carbon tax.

00:06:19.160 Aaron Trudeau.

00:06:20.140 But it's true, isn't it?

00:06:20.980 O'Toole accused McKay of lying, but it is true because today, in a scoop leaked by O'Toole to the CBC, O'Toole did announce his own conservative carbon tax plan.

00:06:34.940 There's no such thing, of course.

00:06:36.560 You can't be conservative if you support carbon tax.

00:06:39.060 Now, it is different from Trudeau's carbon tax, you see, because O'Toole doesn't call it a carbon tax, he calls it a carbon levy.

00:06:49.700 Got it.

00:06:50.600 Just in case you don't know English well, that's the same thing.

00:06:55.860 Here's Merriam-Webster for the word tax.

00:06:58.940 A charge, usually of money, imposed by authority on persons or property for public purposes.

00:07:06.180 A sum levied on members of an organization to defray expenses.

00:07:11.000 They actually used the word levy to help explain what a tax is.

00:07:14.540 And just to check, here's Merriam-Webster for the word levy.

00:07:19.400 The imposition or collection of an assessment.

00:07:22.260 The government imposed a levy on gasoline, an amount levy.

00:07:25.660 They actually used the example of gasoline in their dictionary definition.

00:07:30.660 There is no difference.

00:07:32.280 It is the same thing.

00:07:33.580 A tax, a levy, a government fee, an assessment.

00:07:38.440 It is all the same thing.

00:07:41.440 And here it is, lovingly, in the CBC.

00:07:44.100 Conservatives announced plans to replace liberal carbon tax with a lower levy of their own.

00:07:50.860 They gave this as a scoop to the CBC, the same CBC state broadcaster that is right now suing the Conservative Party,

00:07:58.860 whose chief parliamentary correspondent sued the Conservative Party.

00:08:02.460 They filed the lawsuit in the middle of the 2019 election campaign.

00:08:06.760 They're still actually pursuing it.

00:08:09.420 And Erin O'Toole gave this scoop to the CBC.

00:08:12.920 But of course, because as Peter McKay said, he's really Erin Trudeau.

00:08:18.320 Proposal would see levy from fuel purchases go into personal savings accounts.

00:08:24.200 Conservative Party leader Erin O'Toole unveiled a climate plan today,

00:08:27.200 which will put up price on carbon for consumers.

00:08:30.260 But instead of the liberal carbon tax and rebate system,

00:08:33.580 Conservative leader Erin O'Toole is proposing to charge a levy, okay,

00:08:39.060 on fuel purchases and use the money to fund personalized savings accounts,

00:08:42.800 which Canadians can use for environmentally friendly purchases.

00:08:45.640 Under O'Toole's plan, which CBC News obtained a copy of Wednesday,

00:08:51.260 Canadians would pay a carbon levy,

00:08:53.960 initially amounting to $20 per ton of greenhouse gas emissions

00:08:57.060 every time they buy hydrocarbon-based fuels such as gasoline.

00:09:00.200 Yeah, so it's a carbon tax.

00:09:03.560 They're just calling a levy.

00:09:05.800 They're using some of the language of Trudeau, pricing, pollution,

00:09:09.400 you know, as if carbon dioxide, the stuff of life,

00:09:11.700 the stuff of photosynthesis, plant food,

00:09:13.780 as if that's pollution, as if we humans,

00:09:15.940 a carbon-based life form, are pollution,

00:09:17.780 as if trees, primary element, carbon, are pollution.

00:09:21.120 That's how a conservative talks now under Erin O'Toole?

00:09:24.080 Not really.

00:09:25.420 Erin O'Toole sent out notes to party spokesmen today.

00:09:28.660 One of those spokesmen sent the notes to me out of disappointment.

00:09:32.900 It'll be interesting to see which conservative MPs read their lines

00:09:36.980 the way they've been instructed to by O'Toole.

00:09:40.440 I have to say O'Toole supporting the carbon tax is disqualifying

00:09:44.100 for a number of reasons.

00:09:45.040 First of all, because he promised he wouldn't.

00:09:47.520 And he received support in return for that promise.

00:09:50.160 So he's untrustworthy.

00:09:51.320 He's a liar.

00:09:52.820 It's disqualifying because a carbon tax is a terrible idea.

00:09:55.960 It's bad scientifically.

00:09:57.100 It's bad economically.

00:09:58.660 But it's bizarre, intricate, invasive scheme to do it.

00:10:02.540 Obviously just cooked up as some way of showing how he's different from Trudeau.

00:10:06.920 It's actually, and I can't believe I'm saying this,

00:10:09.320 but I've been thinking a lot about this today.

00:10:11.920 And I really mean this.

00:10:14.040 I've thought about it.

00:10:14.780 I thought, should I say this?

00:10:16.680 Yeah, it's true.

00:10:19.040 Erin O'Toole's carbon tax scheme is actually worse than Trudeau's. 1.00

00:10:23.660 I believe that.

00:10:27.040 And I'll explain in a minute.

00:10:29.140 Here's how the CBC says it.

00:10:31.480 Instead of that money going into direct rebates for Canadian households,

00:10:34.240 as is the case currently,

00:10:35.520 the conservatives would divert revenues to a personal low-carbon savings account.

00:10:41.540 What?

00:10:41.980 We're going to set up what?

00:10:45.280 Oh, yes.

00:10:45.920 Here, let me read from the official backgrounder sent by O'Toole into the world today,

00:10:50.540 including to his spin doctors.

00:10:51.600 Just incredible.

00:10:52.180 The personal low-carbon savings accounts will work like the loyalty rewards plans

00:10:59.320 offered by retailers, financial institutions, and airlines.

00:11:04.420 Each time a hydrocarbon-based fuel is purchased,

00:11:06.940 the consumer will be putting money into a tax-free savings account

00:11:10.380 simply by using their personal account card.

00:11:13.720 As you do with loyalty plans at the gas pump or in the store,

00:11:17.060 the money saved up can then be used to buy a range of goods and services

00:11:21.620 that reduce the carbon they consume.

00:11:24.100 This could mean buying a transit pass, a bicycle,

00:11:26.980 or saving up to replace your furnace with a heat pump,

00:11:31.420 installing new windows, or even buying an electric vehicle.

00:11:34.580 This way, the account will provide an incentive to the consumer

00:11:37.920 to invest in things to help them live a greener life.

00:11:42.600 So it's like a government air miles card.

00:11:45.200 Now, you know why air miles gives you points

00:11:49.280 for scanning everything you buy, right?

00:11:51.260 You know what they get out of that, right?

00:11:54.520 You know why they give you free stuff, right?

00:11:58.220 Because they track everything you buy, right?

00:12:00.700 Everything.

00:12:01.800 They build up a huge database on you

00:12:03.960 and everything you've ever bought.

00:12:06.300 And they use that information to sell to you, to market to you, right?

00:12:09.340 It's like what Amazon or Facebook do.

00:12:11.600 You're the product.

00:12:13.380 There's a database.

00:12:15.500 That's what Aaron O'Toole wants to do,

00:12:17.460 except instead of a private invasion of privacy

00:12:19.740 that you can opt into or out of that actually earns you stuff,

00:12:23.960 he wants everyone to disclose what they buy to the government.

00:12:30.220 And then he's going to choose what you get

00:12:33.600 to spend your loyalty points are.

00:12:35.320 And this database is held by the trustworthy,

00:12:38.260 neutral, nonpartisan, noninvasive, noncorrupt,

00:12:42.080 non-hackable government.

00:12:43.960 I bet it's actually going to be stored on the cloud in China.

00:12:47.120 Hey guys, it's like a loyalty plan.

00:12:49.820 If you like filing your taxes,

00:12:52.620 you'll love telling the government everything you buy or sell.

00:12:55.980 I mean, what's the worst that could happen?

00:12:57.880 They would never link this to your social credit score

00:13:01.000 or your vaccine passport, would they?

00:13:03.060 And you can see that they're going to be making a list

00:13:05.020 of what you can or can't buy with your loyalty cash.

00:13:08.780 Imagine the lobbying that's going to go on

00:13:10.720 to get on the good list and to stay off the bad list, right?

00:13:15.000 They're regulating the entire economy

00:13:17.320 from a carbon point of view.

00:13:20.220 They're imposing a carbon tax,

00:13:21.960 but then they're setting up an entire system,

00:13:24.760 an entire database and bank account system,

00:13:27.440 kind of economic social credit system

00:13:29.480 for how you can spend your rebate.

00:13:31.880 Every single product in the country,

00:13:34.740 every single store in the country

00:13:36.860 needs to get on the good list and off the bad list.

00:13:40.520 Every single company and product

00:13:44.500 has now been turned into a lobbyist.

00:13:48.820 No conservative could possibly believe in this.

00:13:52.740 It'll be interesting to see which MPs read

00:13:54.800 from their scripts and which just stay quiet,

00:13:57.540 knowing that O'Toole is about to get smashed

00:14:00.540 in the next election.

00:14:03.380 I mean, imagine running for prime minister

00:14:04.740 as a conservative and proposing this.

00:14:07.740 Let me read some.

00:14:08.280 Create a simple platform for Canadians

00:14:10.980 to access special offers and discounts

00:14:14.320 for climate-aligned products and services

00:14:16.560 while incenting vendors to compete for their business,

00:14:20.160 driving costs down over time.

00:14:22.020 Are you serious?

00:14:23.220 You're having like a government Groupon,

00:14:25.480 like a government coupon service?

00:14:27.260 You're forcing every citizen to take part

00:14:29.520 in your government marketplace?

00:14:31.060 You're telling every customer of every product

00:14:33.700 in the country to get in

00:14:35.780 on this government version of Amazon?

00:14:38.940 Or maybe you're going to actually outsource it to Amazon, right?

00:14:41.480 Because he's not rich enough off the pandemic.

00:14:43.620 Who gets your data?

00:14:46.260 Who would possibly think this is a good idea?

00:14:48.340 Who would think it's a good idea for a conservative?

00:14:50.480 Imagine this.

00:14:52.240 A key feature of this policy will be the design

00:14:54.460 of a purchase menu that is independently validated

00:14:58.020 to ensure that all qualifying purchases

00:15:00.700 will lead to reductions in carbon emissions

00:15:02.500 across the country.

00:15:03.500 I love that part.

00:15:04.960 The government's going to set up a purchase menu

00:15:06.920 for what you can spend your money on

00:15:08.720 and they're going to make the judgment

00:15:10.420 on whether or not it's good for the environment.

00:15:12.400 But don't worry.

00:15:14.220 There's not going to be any backlog for this for sure.

00:15:16.940 A billion products being judged.

00:15:19.220 And don't worry.

00:15:19.800 All the judgments made here will be independent.

00:15:21.820 No lobbyists will be interested.

00:15:25.720 No friends of the government will be getting

00:15:27.280 off the bad list and onto the good list.

00:15:29.240 You know how during this pandemic,

00:15:33.040 Walmart and Costco never had to shut down,

00:15:35.600 but small stores were shut down, right?

00:15:37.620 You know how casinos and marijuana stores

00:15:39.660 and liquor stores were never closed,

00:15:41.900 but churches were closed?

00:15:44.260 That's what independent experts do in government, right?

00:15:46.780 We've seen that.

00:15:47.880 They're lobbyists.

00:15:49.200 They're lobbied.

00:15:51.380 Imagine the power of this government purchase list,

00:15:54.640 this purchase menu.

00:15:56.780 There's hundreds of billions of dollars at stake

00:15:59.060 getting on that list

00:16:00.420 or keeping your competitors off that list.

00:16:02.920 Think of the size of government,

00:16:04.360 the scope of regulation.

00:16:06.740 Think of the power and the money

00:16:07.980 that is now being grabbed

00:16:09.240 by someone who calls himself a conservative.

00:16:12.820 This plan is worse than Trudeau's.

00:16:15.540 I'm sorry, that is the truth of it.

00:16:17.860 Trudeau himself would never dare

00:16:19.560 to nationalize the economy this way,

00:16:23.040 to regulate individual spending this way.

00:16:26.080 But now Trudeau has permission to do so

00:16:27.740 from the conservatives

00:16:28.400 because Aaron O'Toole proposed it first.

00:16:31.320 You know, I get it.

00:16:32.100 Aaron O'Toole is a nobody that nobody knows.

00:16:34.660 He's weeks away from an election call

00:16:36.200 in which he's going to get smoked.

00:16:39.300 He thinks this stuff will win it for him

00:16:41.100 or at least stop the CBC from being mean to him.

00:16:44.000 Spoiler alert,

00:16:44.680 they hate you, Aaron,

00:16:46.340 and this will not change it.

00:16:47.900 There's so many other things

00:16:49.340 a conservative could be talking out there

00:16:51.660 in opposition.

00:16:54.060 How about, I don't know,

00:16:55.340 the pandemic,

00:16:56.900 the vaccine fiasco,

00:16:58.540 the civil liberties crisis,

00:16:59.700 the recession level,

00:17:01.080 unemployment,

00:17:01.840 the closed U.S. border,

00:17:03.560 China's hostage-taking and spying on us, 1.00

00:17:06.460 cancel culture,

00:17:07.180 any of those,

00:17:07.940 one of those,

00:17:08.420 all of those.

00:17:08.960 And Aaron O'Toole thinks

00:17:10.340 the way to win the next election

00:17:11.600 is to talk about his carbon tax

00:17:13.680 and how it's better than Trudeau's carbon tax,

00:17:16.180 even though it's actually not.

00:17:18.480 Aaron O'Toole really is Aaron Trudeau,

00:17:20.440 except that Trudeau knows how to win.

00:17:23.020 Hey, look at this.

00:17:25.000 Just 11% of Albertans

00:17:26.320 highly impressed with conservative leader

00:17:27.960 Aaron O'Toole poll.

00:17:29.620 And look at that, it's true.

00:17:31.240 In fact, more Albertans like Trudeau

00:17:34.180 than like O'Toole.

00:17:35.320 In Alberta.

00:17:37.200 But hey, as the CBC says helpfully,

00:17:40.660 lack of popularity could cost seats,

00:17:42.700 but that might not be all bad for them.

00:17:45.600 And he probably thinks that's so right.

00:17:48.940 Aaron O'Toole's going to lose.

00:17:50.580 He should lose.

00:17:52.260 He must lose.

00:17:54.320 What I'm interested in now

00:17:55.820 is how hard his MPs

00:17:57.980 are willing to lose with him.

00:17:59.660 How hard they're willing to drink

00:18:01.220 his global warming Kool-Aid

00:18:02.960 and even worse,

00:18:03.780 lose his total nationalization

00:18:06.120 of the economy Kool-Aid,

00:18:07.300 which is actually worse.

00:18:09.260 I wonder if the few conservative senators

00:18:11.220 will have anything to say

00:18:12.600 given that they can't be fired by O'Toole

00:18:14.840 and they'll outlast him no matter what.

00:18:16.880 I really think this is a basic test

00:18:18.880 for the conservative party.

00:18:20.340 It's an IQ test.

00:18:21.640 It's a will you survive test.

00:18:23.440 It's are you a conservative test.

00:18:24.700 It's so many things.

00:18:25.720 Here's a guy

00:18:26.460 who is for funding the CBC,

00:18:29.340 who's for open borders migration,

00:18:30.880 who's for foreign aid,

00:18:32.220 who is for the carbon tax,

00:18:33.740 he's for cancel culture.

00:18:36.120 I'm not even sure what's left.

00:18:37.640 Is there any difference

00:18:38.780 between him and the liberals?

00:18:41.500 He's against Derek Sloan.

00:18:42.860 He demoted Pierre Polyev.

00:18:44.360 He marginalized Rebel News

00:18:45.960 for that matter.

00:18:48.000 Is he conservative?

00:18:50.280 Hey, just want to loop back

00:18:51.380 before you go.

00:18:52.500 I found this on the party's website.

00:18:54.440 This wasn't even in the version

00:18:55.560 they sent around.

00:18:56.780 This is their future plans

00:18:58.960 for their centrally planned economy.

00:19:00.760 This is in a conservative document.

00:19:03.120 It's on their website.

00:19:04.040 You can find it right now.

00:19:04.860 Look at this.

00:19:07.400 Studying the potential

00:19:09.600 for introducing new taxes

00:19:11.740 on frequent flyers,

00:19:15.100 non-electric luxury vehicles,

00:19:17.280 and second homes

00:19:18.360 to deter activities

00:19:20.080 that hurt the environment.

00:19:21.160 That is part of Aaron O'Toole's

00:19:24.620 conservative plan.

00:19:28.700 Did you vote for that?

00:19:30.500 Will you vote for that?

00:19:32.380 If you're a conservative MP,

00:19:33.940 it's probably too late

00:19:34.740 to remove this crazy

00:19:36.220 captain of the ship

00:19:37.340 before he steers it

00:19:39.240 right into the iceberg.

00:19:41.500 But how conservative MPs act

00:19:44.480 in these next few weeks

00:19:45.580 or months

00:19:46.040 will mark their reputation

00:19:48.960 long after O'Toole

00:19:50.640 is a footnote

00:19:51.660 in history.

00:19:55.020 Stay with us.

00:20:07.380 Well, as you may know,

00:20:08.880 without warning,

00:20:11.820 YouTube suspended us

00:20:13.600 on Monday night.

00:20:14.760 They said we broke

00:20:16.300 their terms of service

00:20:17.460 the first time we've done so

00:20:18.880 in six years

00:20:19.780 and 15,000 videos.

00:20:22.280 I was very curious

00:20:23.340 what video was the cause of it.

00:20:26.600 And it was a rather

00:20:27.420 unremarkable video

00:20:28.760 I made back in January,

00:20:30.780 a hundred days ago,

00:20:32.860 talking about how big tech

00:20:35.560 was going to censor

00:20:36.820 Donald Trump.

00:20:37.900 And if they could do that,

00:20:39.820 they could do it to anyone.

00:20:41.400 And that apparently

00:20:42.440 violated their terms of service

00:20:44.580 and the prophecy

00:20:46.540 of that video came true.

00:20:48.100 They did indeed ban us.

00:20:49.960 It's a seven-day ban,

00:20:51.440 which means we'll be back

00:20:52.480 up and running

00:20:53.120 in about five days.

00:20:54.380 But really,

00:20:55.180 we know they're coming

00:20:56.100 to kill us. 0.76

00:20:56.740 They demonetized us

00:20:58.220 for no excuse

00:20:59.700 about a month ago.

00:21:01.220 They did not actually cite

00:21:02.380 any particular video

00:21:03.260 in that case.

00:21:04.220 This is step one.

00:21:05.160 I do believe

00:21:06.060 they aim to wipe us out

00:21:08.140 completely before the

00:21:09.480 upcoming Canadian

00:21:10.940 federal election

00:21:12.000 because they know

00:21:12.860 we are the largest

00:21:14.420 independent media source

00:21:16.140 in this country

00:21:16.760 and one of the few

00:21:18.100 not on the take

00:21:18.980 from Justin Trudeau's

00:21:20.540 media bailout.

00:21:22.340 Now, one of the things

00:21:23.060 I find so frustrating

00:21:24.200 is that no one in Canada,

00:21:27.220 or at least in the

00:21:27.760 Canadian established,

00:21:28.740 seems to care.

00:21:30.120 No one in the establishment

00:21:31.360 of the media.

00:21:32.600 No words on this

00:21:34.020 from the Canadian

00:21:34.580 Association of Journalists,

00:21:36.860 from Canadian Journalists

00:21:38.040 for Free Expression,

00:21:39.180 from Penn Canada,

00:21:40.900 from Reporters Without Borders,

00:21:42.200 from Amnesty International,

00:21:43.540 from the Canadian

00:21:44.040 Civil Liberties Association.

00:21:45.720 They don't care.

00:21:48.040 Nothing from lawyers

00:21:49.140 or law professors,

00:21:50.520 nothing from opposition parties,

00:21:52.380 including those

00:21:53.040 that claim to be conservative.

00:21:54.680 The entire country

00:21:56.500 is silent.

00:21:59.020 And I'm not looking

00:21:59.680 for personal support.

00:22:00.700 I just think

00:22:01.180 it's rather noteworthy.

00:22:02.220 that a news channel

00:22:04.140 of 1.45 million subscribers

00:22:07.200 is silenced

00:22:08.160 with a ridiculous excuse

00:22:10.060 and the rest of the media

00:22:11.360 just shrugs

00:22:12.160 or even cheers.

00:22:14.940 I'm pleased to say

00:22:15.900 we do have a few

00:22:17.000 journalists who care,

00:22:18.640 who are interested in it,

00:22:20.040 but they are uniformly

00:22:22.860 in the United States.

00:22:25.380 How strange is that?

00:22:27.180 And I'm delighted

00:22:28.000 that our,

00:22:29.980 well, demise is too big a word,

00:22:31.580 but our restrictions

00:22:32.480 on our freedom

00:22:33.500 were reported

00:22:34.100 by our friends

00:22:35.260 at Breitbart.com.

00:22:36.600 Let me show you a story

00:22:37.540 on their website right now.

00:22:39.560 The headline,

00:22:40.860 YouTube suspends rebel news

00:22:42.720 over, quote,

00:22:43.500 election misinformation.

00:22:45.560 It's a great story,

00:22:46.820 very factual,

00:22:47.440 and joining us now

00:22:48.300 via Skype

00:22:48.880 is the author

00:22:49.940 of that story,

00:22:51.220 Alan Bokhari,

00:22:51.900 senior tech correspondent

00:22:53.160 for Breitbart.

00:22:54.160 Alan, great to see you again.

00:22:55.360 Thanks for joining us.

00:22:57.240 Hi, Ezra.

00:22:57.700 Good to be on.

00:22:58.880 Thank you.

00:22:59.600 I mean,

00:23:00.880 I still regard Rebel News

00:23:02.680 as a sort of startup.

00:23:03.980 We're six years old,

00:23:04.880 but we still feel young.

00:23:06.780 We're vulnerable

00:23:07.640 in that we're not affiliated

00:23:08.700 with a large corporate owner.

00:23:10.680 We don't take any government

00:23:12.240 bailout money,

00:23:13.220 which stabilizes other media

00:23:15.420 in Canada.

00:23:16.080 We're really independent,

00:23:17.020 and we feel that way.

00:23:18.380 But still,

00:23:19.040 1.45 million subscribers,

00:23:21.940 that's not nothing.

00:23:23.800 And yet YouTube,

00:23:24.840 with the flick of a switch,

00:23:25.960 can turn off our lights.

00:23:27.560 I find that terrifying.

00:23:28.520 It is terrifying.

00:23:31.220 It just goes to show

00:23:31.880 how much power

00:23:32.580 these tech companies have.

00:23:34.160 They're now sort of editors-in-chief

00:23:35.460 for the entire world.

00:23:37.180 They set the rules

00:23:38.200 that news organizations

00:23:39.500 have to follow

00:23:40.880 if they don't want to be cut off

00:23:42.020 from their audience.

00:23:43.560 And it's incredible to me,

00:23:45.060 you know,

00:23:45.340 you're pointing out

00:23:46.140 in the intro there,

00:23:48.020 that, you know,

00:23:48.580 journalists during

00:23:49.280 the Trump administration

00:23:50.120 would complain

00:23:50.900 that when the president

00:23:51.740 was mean to, like,

00:23:52.960 journalists and reporters

00:23:54.060 or threatened to borrow them

00:23:55.680 from the White House newsroom,

00:23:56.940 that was portrayed

00:23:58.960 as an attack

00:23:59.720 on the free press.

00:24:00.760 When Tucker Carlson

00:24:02.040 goes on his show

00:24:03.060 and criticizes

00:24:03.920 a left-wing journalist

00:24:04.980 like Brandi Zandrosny

00:24:06.760 or Taylor Lorenz,

00:24:08.700 that's portrayed

00:24:09.480 as an attack

00:24:10.100 on the free press.

00:24:11.640 But a massive

00:24:13.100 Silicon Valley giant

00:24:14.900 shutting down

00:24:16.180 a news organization

00:24:17.140 for seven days,

00:24:18.840 threatening to do so

00:24:19.620 for longer,

00:24:20.960 you just hear,

00:24:21.540 you know,

00:24:21.740 total crickets

00:24:22.380 from the so-called

00:24:23.580 defenders of press freedom.

00:24:24.720 Yeah.

00:24:25.520 Now, if we did something

00:24:27.040 truly atrocious,

00:24:28.460 I could understand it.

00:24:29.900 If we committed some crime,

00:24:31.800 if we incited violence,

00:24:33.420 or I don't even know,

00:24:34.800 we did something

00:24:35.320 utterly obscene,

00:24:36.340 I could get it,

00:24:37.080 although there are

00:24:38.120 all of those things

00:24:39.160 on YouTube.

00:24:40.160 But their complaint was

00:24:41.820 a video I made

00:24:42.840 three months ago

00:24:43.800 talking about how

00:24:45.320 Mark Zuckerberg,

00:24:46.580 in particular,

00:24:47.360 of Facebook,

00:24:48.260 was censoring Donald Trump.

00:24:49.920 And as part of that,

00:24:51.220 I played a one-minute clip

00:24:52.560 of a Trump official video

00:24:55.620 from the White House

00:24:56.680 that was being censored

00:24:58.560 by Facebook.

00:24:59.240 So I wasn't getting

00:25:00.500 into the meaning

00:25:01.440 of what Trump said.

00:25:02.580 I was saying,

00:25:03.020 here's the video

00:25:03.720 Zuckerberg just banned,

00:25:05.540 and we showed it.

00:25:06.740 And it was a broadcast

00:25:08.380 from the White House.

00:25:09.460 It was an official thing.

00:25:11.060 You could agree with Trump

00:25:11.980 or disagree with him,

00:25:12.680 but we weren't saying,

00:25:14.200 yes, we share those views,

00:25:16.280 and we are here

00:25:16.840 to promote Trump's view.

00:25:18.480 We're saying,

00:25:18.840 here's what was censored.

00:25:19.580 We were talking

00:25:20.040 about the video.

00:25:23.100 And that's what

00:25:23.620 every other news organization

00:25:25.140 in America

00:25:25.680 and around the world

00:25:26.240 did that day, Alan.

00:25:27.420 And here's the thing,

00:25:28.460 and I mention this

00:25:29.260 because I went online,

00:25:31.540 and that exact same clip,

00:25:33.040 I assume that's what

00:25:34.040 triggered our suspension,

00:25:36.180 that exact same

00:25:37.400 very short video

00:25:38.580 from Trump

00:25:39.280 is on YouTube right now

00:25:41.880 on the channels

00:25:43.640 of mainstream media.

00:25:45.780 CNN has that exact same clip

00:25:48.000 over a million views.

00:25:50.040 NBC,

00:25:51.020 Wall Street Journal,

00:25:52.080 Washington Post.

00:25:53.680 So we haven't got

00:25:55.400 any more details

00:25:56.220 from YouTube,

00:25:57.000 but I think that's what it is.

00:25:59.120 They claim it's because

00:26:00.380 we promoted misinformation

00:26:01.820 about the 2020 election,

00:26:04.620 but we didn't actually

00:26:05.480 even talk about that in there.

00:26:07.200 I think that this is just

00:26:09.560 a whimsical political censorship

00:26:11.660 that they're trying to dress up

00:26:13.420 as some terms of service violation,

00:26:15.320 because how can it only be

00:26:17.320 a violation for us

00:26:19.380 and not for CNN

00:26:20.420 and every other news agency

00:26:21.620 in the world?

00:26:23.860 Yeah, well, I mean,

00:26:24.480 here's the way that

00:26:25.440 I think, you know,

00:26:26.740 Silicon Valley terms of service

00:26:28.100 actually work,

00:26:29.180 is that the tech companies

00:26:31.100 use these terms of service.

00:26:32.480 Any excuse they can find

00:26:34.920 to enforce them,

00:26:36.320 no matter how slight,

00:26:37.900 no matter how tenuous,

00:26:40.040 to enforce these terms of service

00:26:41.920 against conservative

00:26:43.120 and alternative and dissident media,

00:26:45.240 they'll take it.

00:26:46.240 And any way they can find

00:26:48.540 to get out of enforcing

00:26:49.860 those terms of service

00:26:50.880 against the left

00:26:51.960 or the establishment,

00:26:53.960 they'll take that as well.

00:26:54.740 So that's how the game is played.

00:26:56.060 These terms of service

00:26:57.080 are enforced completely unevenly.

00:26:59.540 You can see that on every,

00:27:01.380 you'll see that through the fact

00:27:03.280 that on every mainstream platform,

00:27:05.320 whether it's Facebook or Twitter,

00:27:06.560 you can find accounts

00:27:07.700 for like some of the largest

00:27:08.880 and most violent Antifa groups

00:27:10.820 in the country,

00:27:11.540 Roe City Antifa, for example,

00:27:14.160 the Antifa group in Portland,

00:27:15.620 they have a massive page

00:27:16.920 on Facebook and on Twitter,

00:27:18.240 and that's allowed to stay up,

00:27:19.920 even though they're an organization

00:27:21.600 that explicitly endorses,

00:27:23.420 that seems to explicitly endorse violence

00:27:25.220 and has been involved in violence.

00:27:27.860 And so, yeah,

00:27:29.040 you can't take the terms of service

00:27:31.140 of these platforms

00:27:32.100 as a kind of law

00:27:34.780 that will be enforced

00:27:35.600 fairly and uniformly,

00:27:36.720 like a law passed

00:27:37.660 by a democratic legislator,

00:27:39.240 for example,

00:27:39.760 because, you know,

00:27:41.140 they're arbitrary by design

00:27:42.520 and by nature.

00:27:43.640 Yeah.

00:27:44.080 You know, it's funny

00:27:45.680 because I was looking at the video

00:27:47.420 that we published

00:27:49.020 back in January,

00:27:50.660 so it's not that long ago,

00:27:51.820 and I re-watched it,

00:27:53.440 and I thought it wasn't a bad video,

00:27:55.180 but I made the point then

00:27:56.720 that stands now.

00:27:58.500 They're censoring and banning

00:28:00.000 something that Donald Trump said,

00:28:01.980 but right now on YouTube,

00:28:04.720 Facebook, Twitter,

00:28:05.540 you have actual accounts

00:28:07.260 run by tyrannies,

00:28:08.840 by tyrants themselves,

00:28:11.080 the Ayatollahs of Iran.

00:28:14.260 Nicolas Maduro is very busy

00:28:16.200 on social media.

00:28:18.660 China, which bans Twitter

00:28:21.380 in the country,

00:28:23.280 has dozens of diplomat propagandists

00:28:26.280 with verified accounts

00:28:28.340 just attacking the West

00:28:30.320 all the time,

00:28:31.080 and I haven't seen them

00:28:32.760 be censored, limited,

00:28:34.300 or have that Twitter

00:28:35.420 correction underneath,

00:28:37.540 which they put on

00:28:38.640 Trump accounts

00:28:39.500 and other right-wing accounts.

00:28:40.840 I don't understand

00:28:42.320 why those outright dictatorships,

00:28:45.100 which ban Twitter

00:28:46.160 in their own countries,

00:28:47.700 get to use Twitter

00:28:48.820 in manners that violate

00:28:50.220 terms of service.

00:28:51.680 Someone might even think

00:28:53.120 that Twitter, Facebook,

00:28:55.700 YouTube, Google,

00:28:56.920 have a bit of an

00:28:58.200 anti-American streak.

00:28:59.240 I think that's

00:29:01.840 a fair comment,

00:29:02.840 and I think it gets

00:29:03.400 to the culture

00:29:07.460 of these companies

00:29:09.000 and what the priorities

00:29:10.680 of their workforce

00:29:11.860 really are.

00:29:13.680 You know,

00:29:13.900 every single one

00:29:14.560 of these Silicon Valley

00:29:15.360 companies,

00:29:17.080 their content moderation

00:29:18.060 workforces, for example,

00:29:20.480 are staffed

00:29:21.020 by rabid left-wingers,

00:29:22.660 and these are people

00:29:23.480 who don't really care

00:29:24.320 much about China

00:29:25.340 or Iran

00:29:26.040 or any of these

00:29:26.520 foreign countries,

00:29:27.320 but they do care

00:29:28.400 a very great deal

00:29:29.380 about the American right

00:29:30.840 and clamping down

00:29:32.460 on them.

00:29:33.220 So if you think about,

00:29:34.220 if you put yourself

00:29:34.880 in the shoes

00:29:35.520 of those employees,

00:29:39.240 they're always going

00:29:40.460 to be on the lookout

00:29:41.220 for any excuse

00:29:42.240 to punish a conservative

00:29:43.760 or a political dissident

00:29:44.960 in the West.

00:29:45.720 They're not always

00:29:46.620 going to be on the lookout

00:29:47.460 for violations

00:29:49.520 of the terms of service

00:29:50.520 from either left-wingers

00:29:51.880 or, you know,

00:29:52.420 from Chinese accounts

00:29:53.360 or Iranian accounts

00:29:54.280 or any of these

00:29:54.740 other accounts.

00:29:55.260 It's simply not

00:29:56.080 what they're interested in.

00:29:57.400 These are people

00:29:57.980 who are still affected

00:29:58.980 by Trump derangement syndrome

00:30:00.440 even though, you know,

00:30:01.580 Trump is out of office now.

00:30:03.160 You know, I want to,

00:30:04.300 I think you're right

00:30:05.560 on all of that.

00:30:06.720 We have, of course,

00:30:08.700 our paywalled show,

00:30:09.960 which you're on right now.

00:30:10.980 We put clips of it out

00:30:12.300 in public.

00:30:13.720 That is hosted

00:30:14.720 on our own video platform,

00:30:16.660 so that's not,

00:30:17.640 I mean,

00:30:17.800 we work with another company,

00:30:19.360 so that's not effective.

00:30:20.940 But we like to put videos

00:30:22.300 out for the world to see.

00:30:23.620 So we've started putting videos

00:30:24.940 up on a site

00:30:26.420 that's actually based

00:30:27.360 in Canada, funny enough.

00:30:28.560 It's called Rumble,

00:30:29.760 R-U-M-B-L-E dot com. 1.00

00:30:32.380 And it's a site

00:30:33.300 that you can see

00:30:33.940 some American conservatives

00:30:35.180 using.

00:30:35.700 Dan Bongino uses it,

00:30:37.580 Dinesh D'Souza,

00:30:38.380 Donald Trump Jr. uses it.

00:30:40.280 So we switched over there.

00:30:41.760 Let me just give you

00:30:42.340 a little anecdote.

00:30:44.740 We have 1.45 million

00:30:47.440 YouTube subscribers.

00:30:48.940 That's an awful lot.

00:30:49.920 But whenever I go on

00:30:51.860 my daily live stream

00:30:54.500 and the notification

00:30:55.880 is supposedly sent

00:30:57.360 to 1.45 million people,

00:31:00.080 I typically only get

00:31:02.020 1,500 people watching.

00:31:04.740 And I'm thinking,

00:31:05.700 is it really true

00:31:06.660 that only one in a thousand

00:31:09.140 of our subscribers are,

00:31:10.640 I mean, maybe I'm vain

00:31:11.600 and I'm,

00:31:12.400 maybe I'm not,

00:31:13.200 not that interesting,

00:31:14.200 but these are people

00:31:15.000 who subscribed

00:31:15.980 and we go live every day

00:31:18.320 and we only have 1,500 people,

00:31:19.580 like 0.1%.

00:31:20.840 I did the live stream

00:31:22.920 yesterday on Rumble

00:31:24.440 as our primary live stream video.

00:31:28.120 First time ever.

00:31:29.500 We only have like maybe

00:31:30.840 10,000 subscribers there.

00:31:32.800 We tweeted it out.

00:31:34.300 I had more viewers

00:31:36.220 on Rumble

00:31:37.880 than I have

00:31:40.000 on a typical day on YouTube.

00:31:41.760 And I'm thinking,

00:31:43.160 I wasn't particularly dazzling

00:31:45.320 or more interesting yesterday.

00:31:48.040 Maybe I just haven't been

00:31:49.520 shadow banned or censored

00:31:51.320 if literally the first time

00:31:53.700 I go on a live stream

00:31:55.100 on this alternative service,

00:31:56.640 I have the same audience

00:31:58.480 that I got on YouTube.

00:31:59.560 Now, I don't know.

00:32:00.840 It just strikes me

00:32:01.960 as quite odd.

00:32:03.240 We have 100 times

00:32:05.060 more subscribers

00:32:06.060 on YouTube

00:32:06.660 than on Rumble,

00:32:07.600 but I immediately

00:32:08.820 had more viewers,

00:32:09.920 as many viewers on Rumble.

00:32:11.260 I don't know.

00:32:11.860 I don't have an explanation

00:32:12.840 for that.

00:32:13.580 It just strikes me

00:32:14.380 as very curious.

00:32:16.480 It is curious,

00:32:17.700 and I think there are

00:32:18.400 a number of ways

00:32:19.000 it can be explained.

00:32:20.000 I've experienced

00:32:20.520 the same thing, by the way.

00:32:21.640 So I'm active on

00:32:22.800 both Twitter and Gab,

00:32:25.040 which is a platform

00:32:25.800 that's very similar to Twitter,

00:32:27.020 but, you know,

00:32:27.620 actually endorses free speech.

00:32:30.120 And I'll frequently

00:32:30.940 get more retweets

00:32:32.000 and engagement

00:32:32.620 and comments

00:32:33.420 when I post on Gab

00:32:34.600 than when I post on Twitter,

00:32:36.080 even though my Gab account

00:32:37.220 has, I think,

00:32:37.960 like a third of the followers

00:32:38.920 of my Twitter account.

00:32:40.780 And I think this really is

00:32:41.980 because of the algorithms

00:32:43.100 and the way they behave.

00:32:45.120 Also, you know,

00:32:45.860 on Twitter,

00:32:46.300 many conservatives

00:32:47.000 have been banned now,

00:32:48.260 so you don't get

00:32:48.900 as big as an audience

00:32:49.920 there as you might.

00:32:50.800 But that doesn't really

00:32:51.480 apply to YouTube,

00:32:52.500 where oftentimes people

00:32:53.620 don't log in

00:32:54.340 to view the videos.

00:32:56.320 YouTube has admitted

00:32:57.400 that they discriminate

00:32:58.920 against certain sources

00:33:00.160 in search results.

00:33:01.140 We revealed

00:33:02.040 at Breitbart News

00:33:03.100 that they regularly

00:33:05.500 adjust search results

00:33:06.960 on very political topics

00:33:09.420 like abortion,

00:33:10.520 like the Federal Reserve,

00:33:11.580 the names of politicians.

00:33:13.600 If you search the names

00:33:14.380 of certain politicians

00:33:15.200 and activists on YouTube,

00:33:16.720 they'll have deliberately

00:33:17.540 adjusted those search results

00:33:19.600 by adding them to a file

00:33:21.060 that they call

00:33:21.640 the YouTube

00:33:22.200 Controversial Query Blacklist.

00:33:24.740 That's the word

00:33:25.360 they use in their file.

00:33:26.900 They call it a blacklist.

00:33:28.320 And the way it works

00:33:29.100 is that, you know,

00:33:29.620 it reorders search results

00:33:30.940 so that, you know,

00:33:31.800 your CNNs

00:33:32.680 and your MSNBCs

00:33:33.940 and your CBCs

00:33:34.960 are at the top

00:33:35.660 of search results

00:33:36.460 and conservative

00:33:37.740 and dissident

00:33:38.420 and independent media

00:33:39.360 are at the bottom.

00:33:40.940 So this is something they do.

00:33:42.260 We've revealed it, you know,

00:33:43.240 and they've admitted

00:33:43.980 to surfacing

00:33:45.460 what they call

00:33:45.900 authoritative news sources

00:33:47.000 as well.

00:33:47.640 So we know they're doing this.

00:33:48.900 We know they're adjusting

00:33:49.660 their algorithms.

00:33:50.560 Well, we have a representative

00:33:51.620 at YouTube

00:33:52.740 who tries to be

00:33:55.040 a go-between with us

00:33:56.320 and she's really

00:33:57.660 just a messenger.

00:33:58.620 She's not the decider.

00:34:00.340 And we've asked her

00:34:01.100 about that

00:34:01.540 because sometimes

00:34:02.160 you type in

00:34:02.720 the exact headline

00:34:04.060 of a Rebel News YouTube video

00:34:05.940 like word for word

00:34:07.280 and it even has

00:34:08.540 our journalist name in it.

00:34:10.040 So you couldn't

00:34:10.920 be more precise.

00:34:11.860 You type that

00:34:12.700 into a YouTube search engine

00:34:13.960 and it will give

00:34:15.140 viewers something

00:34:17.040 from the CTV,

00:34:18.320 Global News,

00:34:19.480 CBC.

00:34:20.040 These are the media party

00:34:21.300 as I call them in Canada.

00:34:22.700 It will give

00:34:23.340 two or three

00:34:24.160 left-wing

00:34:25.560 legacy media videos

00:34:28.760 before even the one

00:34:31.220 that has the exact name

00:34:33.360 of our,

00:34:34.620 even though ours

00:34:35.240 has more views

00:34:36.020 than theirs,

00:34:36.900 especially on topics

00:34:38.140 that they're obviously

00:34:38.760 sensitive about.

00:34:40.880 Like if you type in,

00:34:41.840 we've done some great work

00:34:43.000 if I may say so

00:34:43.860 on Greta Thunberg.

00:34:45.740 Some of our videos

00:34:46.700 have over a million

00:34:47.800 views on that.

00:34:49.220 You cut and paste

00:34:50.540 the exact title of those,

00:34:52.740 you'll get videos

00:34:53.700 from a left-wing perspective

00:34:55.120 with maybe 100,000 views

00:34:56.640 higher up in the search.

00:34:58.580 Is that not some sort

00:35:00.440 of market tampering?

00:35:01.840 Is that not some sort

00:35:03.480 of, I don't know,

00:35:05.520 it feels like something

00:35:07.400 that an antitrust lawyer

00:35:09.400 would say,

00:35:10.100 uh-huh, that's illegal.

00:35:11.940 It just feels that way

00:35:13.240 to me,

00:35:13.940 but I don't know

00:35:15.680 if the law

00:35:16.120 has ever been used

00:35:16.880 that way.

00:35:17.800 They're certainly

00:35:18.580 picking winners

00:35:19.360 and losers by,

00:35:20.440 you know,

00:35:20.560 they're clearly adjusting

00:35:21.480 their search results

00:35:22.200 and their algorithms.

00:35:23.160 And I've got to say,

00:35:23.600 that sounds very,

00:35:24.380 very familiar

00:35:24.900 what you say about

00:35:25.940 typing in the exact title

00:35:27.640 of your video

00:35:28.220 and not having it come up

00:35:29.800 in search results,

00:35:30.460 or at least,

00:35:30.780 you know,

00:35:31.220 not it being the first result.

00:35:33.140 You've got to remember,

00:35:33.760 YouTube is owned by Google,

00:35:35.260 and Google did this exact same thing

00:35:37.300 to Breitbart News

00:35:38.340 with an algorithm change

00:35:40.080 six months before the election.

00:35:41.820 You could,

00:35:42.360 but in the entire six months period

00:35:44.260 up to the election,

00:35:45.040 you could often search

00:35:46.640 for the exact headline

00:35:47.640 of Breitbart News articles

00:35:48.900 in Google search,

00:35:50.380 and you wouldn't find

00:35:51.660 a link to the article.

00:35:53.160 You'd find, like,

00:35:53.760 imitation sites

00:35:54.800 or sites that had simply,

00:35:56.440 like, copied,

00:35:57.120 like, plagiarized their articles

00:35:58.320 at the top of the results,

00:35:59.300 and you won't find

00:35:59.840 the actual Breitbart link.

00:36:01.180 So this is something

00:36:01.680 Google does

00:36:02.180 on its main search engine.

00:36:03.920 It's not surprising

00:36:04.680 that they're doing it

00:36:05.200 on YouTube,

00:36:05.920 which they own as well.

00:36:07.860 Is there any legal remedy?

00:36:09.480 I fear that we will be

00:36:10.940 completely snuffed out

00:36:12.320 in the run-up

00:36:13.420 to the Canadian election.

00:36:14.640 I think this is

00:36:15.700 a Canadian thing,

00:36:16.620 although it was very weird

00:36:17.680 that the U.S. Navy

00:36:19.700 commissioned

00:36:20.580 a military contractor

00:36:22.780 in Arkansas

00:36:23.440 to do a cyber forensic analysis

00:36:26.080 of it.

00:36:26.400 I don't know

00:36:26.840 why the U.S. Navy

00:36:28.860 is spying on us.

00:36:31.400 I mean,

00:36:31.720 a wild theory might be

00:36:33.000 the Canadian Armed Forces

00:36:34.760 didn't want to spy

00:36:35.960 on their own citizen

00:36:36.860 for legal reasons,

00:36:38.080 so they got their buddies

00:36:39.180 in the U.S. to do it.

00:36:40.620 That's sort of how they

00:36:41.440 went after Trump's campaign team.

00:36:43.600 They had British intelligence

00:36:44.780 to do it.

00:36:45.340 I don't know.

00:36:45.900 I'm getting into

00:36:46.460 the realm of speculation here.

00:36:47.900 I know it's a fact

00:36:49.140 that the U.S. Navy

00:36:50.080 spied on us.

00:36:51.260 I think the goal

00:36:52.900 is to get us off

00:36:53.900 the Internet.

00:36:54.480 You mentioned six months

00:36:55.620 before the U.S. election.

00:36:57.040 I think that's the tactic here.

00:36:59.260 Get us off YouTube

00:37:00.120 six months before

00:37:01.160 the Canadian election,

00:37:02.820 which is looming.

00:37:03.560 I don't know.

00:37:04.120 How would I know?

00:37:05.080 It's also opaque.

00:37:06.600 They're not clear.

00:37:07.720 They're not honest.

00:37:08.940 They just make it up.

00:37:10.000 I have no idea

00:37:10.640 what the actual facts are.

00:37:12.060 Well, you can see

00:37:13.800 a pattern with this.

00:37:15.420 And, you know,

00:37:15.880 this is kind of like

00:37:16.740 a pessimistic, gloomy outlook.

00:37:18.660 But if you look at

00:37:19.920 the run-up to other elections,

00:37:21.480 like the election in France

00:37:22.740 a few years ago,

00:37:23.720 the election in Brazil

00:37:24.440 a few years ago,

00:37:26.000 and, you know,

00:37:26.980 Italy as well,

00:37:28.180 these were all always

00:37:29.380 preceded by massive clampdowns

00:37:31.660 on so-called disinformation

00:37:33.780 and so-called misinformation

00:37:36.340 on platforms like Facebook

00:37:38.000 and Twitter.

00:37:38.960 Facebook really led the way

00:37:39.980 on this, like they suspended,

00:37:41.000 I think, 30,000 pages

00:37:42.280 ahead of the French elections,

00:37:44.100 dozens of pages

00:37:45.440 ahead of the Italian elections,

00:37:46.820 ahead of the German elections.

00:37:48.280 They shut down, yeah,

00:37:49.740 Bolsonaro's largest network

00:37:51.520 of digital activists

00:37:53.180 on WhatsApp

00:37:53.760 ahead of the Brazilian elections.

00:37:55.300 So this is a pattern

00:37:56.180 that Facebook especially

00:37:57.360 has engaged in,

00:37:58.640 shutting down pages

00:38:00.500 and profiles and accounts,

00:38:02.300 often with millions

00:38:03.080 or tens of millions

00:38:03.920 of followers

00:38:04.500 that support populist parties

00:38:06.720 ahead of these elections.

00:38:09.040 And in Italy,

00:38:09.400 they did it to both

00:38:09.920 the left-wing populists

00:38:10.900 and the right-wing populists.

00:38:13.060 So it seems like

00:38:14.080 they're laying the groundwork

00:38:15.260 with these accusations

00:38:16.140 of disinformation,

00:38:17.220 these cyber forensics

00:38:18.260 investigations as well.

00:38:20.040 Yeah.

00:38:20.720 You know,

00:38:21.320 of course,

00:38:22.460 the robber barons

00:38:23.300 of a century ago,

00:38:24.500 the J.D. Rockefellers

00:38:25.900 and the Andrew Carnegies

00:38:26.900 of the world,

00:38:27.800 they were certainly

00:38:29.700 capitalistic schemers,

00:38:33.200 they were economic cartels,

00:38:35.220 and they did have

00:38:36.020 a sort of ideology.

00:38:37.740 But none of them

00:38:39.020 would have dreamed

00:38:40.880 of controlling

00:38:42.740 entire countries,

00:38:45.000 let alone foreign countries,

00:38:47.400 what you were allowed

00:38:48.340 to say,

00:38:49.660 who you were allowed

00:38:50.220 to say it to,

00:38:51.040 what groups you could belong.

00:38:52.180 I believe

00:38:52.860 that the men and women

00:38:54.760 who run Facebook,

00:38:56.640 YouTube, Google,

00:38:57.560 Twitter,

00:38:58.000 and the like

00:38:58.520 have become

00:38:59.660 not only

00:39:00.320 commercial robber barons

00:39:02.180 like the Rockefellers 1.00

00:39:03.800 of the world,

00:39:04.420 but have become

00:39:05.380 political tyrants

00:39:06.300 the likes

00:39:06.820 we have not seen

00:39:08.360 in centuries.

00:39:10.600 And I believe

00:39:11.700 Mark Zuckerberg

00:39:12.620 and others like him

00:39:13.680 will have more control

00:39:15.340 over the next

00:39:15.940 Canadian election

00:39:16.800 than the leaders

00:39:18.160 of any particular party.

00:39:19.780 Last word to you,

00:39:20.700 Elam. 0.52

00:39:22.020 Well, I agree.

00:39:23.060 Absolutely.

00:39:23.940 These people,

00:39:24.740 a handful of hipsters

00:39:26.160 in Silicon Valley

00:39:27.020 have somehow

00:39:27.900 found themselves

00:39:30.060 the ability

00:39:30.580 to put their thumb

00:39:31.180 on the scales

00:39:31.700 of elections

00:39:32.400 not just in America

00:39:33.580 but all around the world

00:39:35.080 and that's what we're seeing.

00:39:36.880 And it's really up

00:39:37.760 to citizens

00:39:38.420 to fight back against it

00:39:39.640 because too often

00:39:40.660 I think governments

00:39:41.460 see these companies

00:39:42.420 as potential allies

00:39:44.260 in the task

00:39:45.520 of censoring their citizens

00:39:46.680 rather than a threat

00:39:48.100 to be fought against.

00:39:49.540 Well, these are dangerous days.

00:39:51.120 We'll do our best.

00:39:51.920 Thank you for doing your best.

00:39:53.080 We like Breitbart

00:39:53.880 and we're glad

00:39:54.800 you haven't been snuffed out.

00:39:56.760 I think we're facing

00:39:57.540 the same attacks you are.

00:39:58.680 Keep up the great work, Elam.

00:40:01.180 Thank you, Israel.

00:40:02.760 All right.

00:40:03.080 There you have it.

00:40:03.480 Alan Bokari.

00:40:04.100 Again, his coverage

00:40:04.800 of our story.

00:40:06.000 You can find it

00:40:06.620 at Breitbart.com.

00:40:07.560 YouTube suspends

00:40:08.380 Rebel News

00:40:08.980 over election misinformation.

00:40:11.220 Stay with us.

00:40:11.780 More ahead.

00:40:23.580 Hey, welcome back

00:40:24.380 on Rebel News.

00:40:25.120 Being suspended

00:40:25.660 from YouTube,

00:40:26.360 Riley writes,

00:40:27.600 your suspension

00:40:28.100 only earned

00:40:28.820 my subscription.

00:40:29.580 Thank you, Riley.

00:40:31.340 You know,

00:40:31.580 I think that we will survive.

00:40:33.740 In fact,

00:40:34.080 we've had an incredible result.

00:40:35.680 We did our live stream.

00:40:36.880 We do it every day at noon.

00:40:37.900 We did it on a new platform

00:40:39.200 called Rumble.

00:40:40.740 And we actually had

00:40:41.700 as many viewers on Rumble

00:40:42.880 as we get on a normal day

00:40:44.280 on YouTube.

00:40:45.000 I think YouTube's really

00:40:46.080 been throttling

00:40:46.800 our viewer count.

00:40:48.580 I think we actually

00:40:49.660 might grow.

00:40:52.000 I hope so.

00:40:53.300 But the real loss

00:40:54.480 right now is

00:40:55.040 those 1.45 million people

00:40:56.860 who we can't reach out to.

00:40:59.740 Christina writes,

00:41:00.460 thank you, Ezra.

00:41:01.340 Definitely your team

00:41:02.060 is more important than ever.

00:41:03.480 Well, thank you.

00:41:04.120 And I really feel

00:41:05.020 that team feeling

00:41:05.860 after having spent

00:41:06.640 the weekend

00:41:07.060 with 17 of us

00:41:08.880 under siege

00:41:09.880 in Montreal.

00:41:10.900 I think our team spirit

00:41:11.900 is stronger than ever.

00:41:14.060 Susanna says,

00:41:15.020 Rebel News

00:41:16.780 has been my lifeline

00:41:17.620 for over four years now.

00:41:18.720 I have been a loyal

00:41:19.500 subscriber and follower.

00:41:20.960 I donate whenever I can

00:41:22.020 and buy merchandise

00:41:22.640 from the Rebel store

00:41:23.420 and boy did it pay off.

00:41:24.440 Just found out last night

00:41:25.680 Rebels Fight the Fines team

00:41:26.880 is taking me

00:41:27.300 on my Wuhan virus ticket.

00:41:28.620 Oh, isn't that a small world?

00:41:30.320 So happy and grateful

00:41:31.600 to these amazing people

00:41:32.580 who still believe in justice.

00:41:33.600 Thank you, Ezra,

00:41:34.060 and the whole Rebel team

00:41:34.640 for reporting

00:41:35.080 the other side of the story

00:41:35.860 and for fighting

00:41:36.880 for the rest of us.

00:41:37.840 You guys rock.

00:41:38.660 Isn't that great?

00:41:39.660 You know what?

00:41:40.740 We have a full-time

00:41:41.980 legal coordinator,

00:41:42.920 Victoria, as you know,

00:41:44.520 who, I mean,

00:41:45.180 it's just too many emails.

00:41:46.080 At first,

00:41:46.540 I was involved with all of them.

00:41:48.220 But we're over 700 cases now,

00:41:51.040 so I just don't even

00:41:52.420 look at them all.

00:41:54.440 Isn't that a small world?

00:41:55.880 I'm so glad we're helping you.

00:41:57.760 We're going to be coming up

00:41:59.000 on 1,000 cases soon.

00:42:01.080 And you can imagine,

00:42:02.440 even if each case

00:42:03.400 just costs a couple grand

00:42:05.380 to fight,

00:42:06.680 we're in an incredibly

00:42:08.680 expensive battle.

00:42:10.820 And that's one of the reasons

00:42:12.020 I'm so mad

00:42:12.680 that YouTube demonetized us

00:42:14.040 because that 400 grand

00:42:15.100 they knocked out of us,

00:42:16.220 we've got to make that up

00:42:17.200 just to keep our operation going.

00:42:18.940 Plus, we've got to,

00:42:20.100 you know,

00:42:20.800 we've got to pay over

00:42:21.420 100 grand a month

00:42:22.280 in legals

00:42:23.100 because we've got

00:42:23.980 700 plus cases.

00:42:25.800 But I do believe

00:42:27.140 we can do it.

00:42:29.360 Our Fight the Fines project

00:42:30.780 right now,

00:42:31.220 as you know,

00:42:31.580 is supported by

00:42:32.380 a registered Canadian charity

00:42:33.780 so people can get

00:42:35.060 charitable receipts

00:42:35.920 for that now,

00:42:37.000 which is a big plus.

00:42:39.900 I don't know.

00:42:40.520 These are extremely tough times,

00:42:42.000 but I think we have

00:42:42.880 a real duty to keep going.

00:42:44.280 And thanks for your support.

00:42:45.860 That's our show for today.

00:42:46.760 Until tomorrow,

00:42:47.280 on behalf of all of us

00:42:48.720 here at Rebel World Headquarters

00:42:49.940 and you at home,

00:42:51.060 good night

00:42:51.360 and keep fighting for freedom.

00:42:52.340 Thank you.

Rebel News Podcast - April 16, 2021

I never thought I’d say it, but Peter MacKay was right!

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