Rebel News Podcast - Investigated by the Competition Bureau... for being climate change skeptics

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00:01:45.860 Environmentalist activists tried to censor two prominent skeptics of the climate change agenda here in Canada

00:02:08.460 and the environmentalists use the Competition Bureau to do it.

00:02:13.260 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gunn Show.

00:02:16.180 Right now I'm sure our regular viewers and listeners are well aware

00:02:37.040 that my boss Ezra Levant is under investigation by the elections commissioner

00:02:42.340 because he wrote a best-selling book called The Libranos that detailed all the corruption of Justin Trudeau.

00:02:50.280 Now two dozen other books were also written about Justin Trudeau in the lead-up to the federal election.

00:02:56.440 However, the only one that was both highly successful and highly critical of Justin Trudeau

00:03:01.940 is the only one under investigation for breaking campaign finance laws.

00:03:08.100 Ezra wisely recorded his conversation with the two former cop investigators with the elections commissioner

00:03:14.820 and you can see that secret recording and read the complaint against Ezra

00:03:19.700 and see our plan of attack to fight back at SaveRebelNews.com.

00:03:25.200 But this isn't the first time a federal agency was weaponized by the left to silence their critics.

00:03:31.140 The environmentalist movement weaponized the Competition Bureau to try to shut up

00:03:36.480 the International Climate Science Coalition and Friends of Science.

00:03:40.720 And today my guest is show regular Tom Harris of the International Climate Science Coalition

00:03:45.880 to tell us about his harrowing tale of political persecution

00:03:49.840 at the hands of the Competition Bureau and the radical left.

00:04:01.140 Joining me now is Tom Harris from the International Climate Science Coalition.

00:04:13.520 And I wanted to have Tom on the show, first of all, because he's just an interesting guy

00:04:18.660 and he's becoming a bit of a fan favorite around here, but also because Tom has faced some

00:04:25.020 of the same censorship that we are facing here at Rebel News, albeit Tom's censorship came

00:04:33.640 in the form of another federal government agency.

00:04:37.500 The outcome for Tom would have been the same, that Tom could not exercise his free speech

00:04:46.900 in the form in which he saw fit.

00:04:49.440 Tom, thanks for coming on the show.

00:04:51.340 Please give us a rundown of your run-in with the federal government and how they tried to

00:04:58.820 shut up your evil climate denying.

00:05:01.620 Yeah, exactly.

00:05:03.280 Well, International Climate Science Coalition was incorporated in Ontario in 2011.

00:05:08.840 We operated for, you know, four and a half years out of Ontario with no problem exercising

00:05:13.840 our constitutional right to free speech and giving our opinions on climate change.

00:05:18.140 Justin Trudeau was elected prime minister, of course, in November of 2015.

00:05:23.560 And whoa, within about a month, we got a letter.

00:05:26.500 I was actually at the Paris counter-conference that was being put on.

00:05:30.000 We got a letter from the Competition Bureau of Canada.

00:05:32.960 And it said that we will be, it actually said, first of all, I should tell you who the Competition

00:05:39.040 Bureau are.

00:05:39.960 They're an independent law enforcement agency that, quote, has a legislative mandate to ensure

00:05:46.040 Canadian consumers and businesses prosper in a competitive and innovative marketplace.

00:05:51.740 Now, you'd think, OK, competition, that's great.

00:05:54.400 Competition of ideas, that should be fine.

00:05:56.860 They're actually a federal institution that's part of the Innovation, Science and Economic

00:06:01.040 Development Canada portfolio.

00:06:03.120 That's under the minister, let's see, Nabdi Baines, I guess his name is.

00:06:07.600 But, you know, it's interesting because they notified us when I was in Paris in 2015, and

00:06:12.460 I called them right back and tried to find out what's going on.

00:06:15.900 It wouldn't tell me a lot.

00:06:17.620 But regardless, a group called Ecojustice, they filed a complaint with the Competition

00:06:23.280 Bureau on behalf of six prominent Canadians.

00:06:27.160 And they said this.

00:06:28.220 They said that we presented, this is the International Climate Science Coalition, presented climate

00:06:32.920 science misrepresentations, which promote the denier group's own business interests and

00:06:38.900 promote the business interests of deep-pocketed individuals and corporations that appear to

00:06:43.980 fund the denier groups.

00:06:45.840 Now, of course, that's a silly charge because, first of all, they had no idea who our funders

00:06:50.380 were.

00:06:51.160 But secondly, we weren't misrepresenting anything.

00:06:54.300 We were giving our opinions on a very complicated idea, and that is that humans are causing dangerous

00:07:00.400 climate change with our carbon dioxide emissions, which we don't agree with.

00:07:04.080 And, of course, many scientists are on our side.

00:07:06.940 Now, we got this, and I called the Bureau in Ottawa, and I tried to find out more, but it

00:07:11.840 didn't really sound like they were actually going to launch the investigation because,

00:07:15.480 you know, Chris Essex is a professor of applied mathematics at the University of Western

00:07:19.800 Ontario.

00:07:20.300 He said, well, you know, these kinds of rules are established not to control the marketplace

00:07:26.080 of ideas, they're to control things like in case a company says, oh, our toothpaste is

00:07:31.940 going to solve cancer.

00:07:33.720 Or, you know, yeah, or they criticize their opponents, their competitors, by saying things

00:07:37.780 that are not true.

00:07:38.620 So it didn't seem that it would be very likely that they would actually launch the investigation.

00:07:43.520 And in fact, so I didn't do anything.

00:07:45.560 I mean, some of our people had, you know, they prepared a huge rebuttal.

00:07:49.380 But I was advised by people who really understood what should be happening to do nothing, because,

00:07:55.860 you know, basically the commissioner would decide to drop it.

00:07:59.560 Well, guess what happened?

00:08:00.720 Five months later, we got a notice that said the complaint would be, in fact, investigated.

00:08:07.560 OK, it did launch an investigation.

00:08:09.660 And they said, referencing the complaint that, quote, we make representatives, representations

00:08:15.840 to the public in promotion of a business interest that are false or misleading in a material

00:08:22.140 respecting regarding climate change.

00:08:24.840 Not very good wording there, respect regarding climate change.

00:08:27.700 So they said, if, now here's the threatening part, which I'm sure Ezra is feeling right now.

00:08:32.880 The Bureau warned us, and this is the exact quote from the communications, if the results of

00:08:38.300 an investigation disclose evidence that, in the opinion of the commissioner, provides the

00:08:43.380 basis for a criminal prosecution, the matter may be referred to the Attorney General of

00:08:48.860 Canada, who determines whether a prosecution should be undertaken.

00:08:53.240 So, of course, the first thing I asked the Bureau is, well, where did they think we made

00:08:56.960 misleading or false statements?

00:08:59.280 I mean, if we're being charged with something, like Ezra said, tell me what we're being charged

00:09:03.880 with.

00:09:05.040 And they said that they wouldn't tell us.

00:09:07.680 They cited subsection 10-3 of the Competition Act, which requires inquiries to be conducted

00:09:15.220 privately.

00:09:16.160 So I was being charged with something that wasn't being identified, and the investigation

00:09:21.500 began.

00:09:22.580 And it continued for 14 months, if you can believe that.

00:09:26.260 There were 14 months before, and, you know, they sent me letters on occasion saying, you

00:09:30.780 know, save all your documents, and this investigation is continuing.

00:09:35.120 No more information.

00:09:36.220 Big Brother is watching.

00:09:38.080 And finally, in November of 2016, let's see, I'll just get the exact dates here, a little

00:09:47.260 later, 14 months after they launched it anyways, they decided to drop it, but they said that

00:09:53.480 they could take enforcement action in respect of matters previously inquired into, including

00:09:59.940 where additional information is discovered following the discontinuance of an inquiry.

00:10:05.740 So they're basically saying, you know, the investigation is discontinued, but it's

00:10:11.720 revivable if they receive additional information.

00:10:14.660 And they even contacted the National Observer and said this, we invite Canadians who believe

00:10:19.260 they may have additional information to contact the Competition Bureau.

00:10:24.020 So, you know, I mean, it really asks the question, first of all, what are they doing investigating

00:10:30.360 some group who is expressing their opinions on a science topic?

00:10:34.020 I mean, it makes no sense.

00:10:34.980 It really sounds like the organization is being politicized to apply pressure to groups that

00:10:41.040 don't agree with the government.

00:10:43.060 And, you know, I have to be careful what I say, because I don't want them to relaunch the

00:10:47.100 investigation.

00:10:48.100 But essentially, they're saying that we can relaunch this thing anytime the commissioner feels that

00:10:53.960 they have additional information or something to get us with.

00:10:58.300 But, you know, the whole concept of using the Competition Bureau to kind of clamp down on ideas

00:11:04.040 that disagree with the government, I mean, you know, that doesn't sound fair or just at all.

00:11:09.440 So I really identify with Ezra, and I hope he does really well in his fight, because, you

00:11:14.120 know, this is really kind of draconian when you see these kinds of things happening in a country

00:11:18.820 that, you know, my father and grandfathers fought for, to defend freedom and freedom

00:11:23.640 of speech.

00:11:24.720 Now, in our case, nothing finally happened.

00:11:27.000 But we had 14 months of being under the pressure of an investigation.

00:11:32.260 And that's, you know, that can intimidate a lot of people to just completely get out of

00:11:36.520 the field.

00:11:38.120 Yeah.

00:11:38.340 And, you know, I think that's the point of it all.

00:11:40.520 Um, that really is the point is just to use the fight, um, and the process as the punishment.

00:11:49.320 I know that's what they're doing to us.

00:11:51.240 You know, we've got a lawyer up, we've, and that costs money.

00:11:54.740 They realize we are crowdfunded.

00:11:56.940 We don't have the big pockets of the CBC.

00:11:59.580 We've basically turned some part of some part of the rebel into a, like a public interest

00:12:05.500 law firm to deal with issues of free speech.

00:12:08.460 And that's really not what we want to do.

00:12:09.960 We want to spend those resources doing the news and doing investigations and telling

00:12:14.700 the other side of the story.

00:12:15.940 But it's, you know, it's an attempt to bleed you dry by these thousand different cuts and

00:12:22.080 maybe sort of bully you out of that space.

00:12:24.960 Thank God you guys kept doing what you were doing.

00:12:27.500 They did the same thing at the same time to Friends of Science as they did to you, just

00:12:33.220 for their billboards.

00:12:34.400 I mean, and then they go about crowdsourcing more complaints.

00:12:38.260 It's outrageous.

00:12:38.880 I know.

00:12:39.820 And they're supposed to be fostering competition.

00:12:42.460 So it's kind of ironic that they would actually, you know, investigate competition.

00:12:48.720 The whole thing is silly, but it's also kind of scary because they have this power to charge

00:12:55.020 you or to recommend that you be charged with a criminal offense.

00:12:59.540 I mean, good grief.

00:13:00.220 That sounds like North Korea.

00:13:01.360 Yeah, you know, and it's a lot of the outrage to what's happening to Ezra, it's coming from

00:13:08.260 our American friends who can't even believe that that's the state of affairs in Canada.

00:13:13.300 And there's very little outrage from authors, journalists, the mainstream Canada.

00:13:20.080 They're basically silent.

00:13:21.360 So you know exactly just how risque their own work is, because they know that they're never

00:13:27.720 going to be threatened with these sorts of things.

00:13:29.860 Well, of course, what they're trying to do in some parts of the US is actually make climate

00:13:34.460 change denial, as they call it.

00:13:36.200 And of course, we don't deny climate change.

00:13:37.620 We say that it happens all the time.

00:13:39.620 Otherwise, we'd be under two feet, two kilometers of ice right now.

00:13:43.000 But they're trying to make our point of view actually illegal to express.

00:13:47.280 Yeah.

00:13:47.660 You know, and this is pretty draconian.

00:13:50.360 And, you know, it really kind of violates what the left say they hold dear.

00:13:54.600 I mean, historically, there have been times when the left have been open to alternative

00:13:59.400 points of view, but not now, that's for sure.

00:14:02.780 Yeah, they keep talking about diversity, but they mean diversity of color and gender, but

00:14:09.500 they really don't mean the most basic diversity.

00:14:12.260 And that's our freedom to think differently from the people beside us, which is a great segue

00:14:16.120 into the next thing I wanted to talk to you about, because Dr. Patrick Moore is under

00:14:22.840 attack by the left.

00:14:24.200 They've crowdsourced a mob again.

00:14:27.580 He was hired by the city of Regina to speak at a sustainability conference.

00:14:32.340 in May 2020.

00:14:34.680 And on paper, if you want to talk about sustainability, one of the founders of Greenpeace International,

00:14:40.880 former president of Greenpeace Canada, a PhD in ecology, and someone who describes himself

00:14:47.940 as a practical environmentalist who does like tangible things every single day to make

00:14:52.860 the world a cleaner place.

00:14:55.500 He's the guy you want speaking as a keynote speaker at your sustainability conference.

00:15:00.060 The problem is Dr. Patrick Moore doesn't believe that CO2 is the thermostat for global temperatures

00:15:07.620 that the left says it is.

00:15:11.060 And so now they're putting pressure on the city of Regina to cancel him.

00:15:16.020 What do you think about this?

00:15:17.740 Well, you know, it's not surprising that they are putting pressure because what Patrick Moore

00:15:21.740 says, if people believe him, and certainly I do, and I think any intelligent person does when

00:15:26.740 you follow the chain of arguments, is that carbon dioxide growth in the atmosphere has

00:15:31.660 been a real blessing.

00:15:33.520 OK, we've seen an increase in crop yield and, you know, more dense forests and things like

00:15:37.660 that.

00:15:38.400 And of course, as CO2 rises, they find in experiments that plants can grow in areas that are otherwise

00:15:43.620 too dry for for plants to grow and lower CO2.

00:15:47.880 And, you know, it's interesting because in our presentations in Montreal and Toronto, where

00:15:51.360 Patrick was also speaking, he showed a graph, which I'm sure it must have really upset the

00:15:56.920 extremists in the climate movement.

00:15:58.640 He showed carbon dioxide as it was plotted against time over millions of years.

00:16:03.660 And what he demonstrated was that CO2 was on its way down to 150 parts per million.

00:16:09.960 It's now around 400.

00:16:11.320 If we had not intervened and started to inject CO2 into the atmosphere and at 150 parts per

00:16:17.500 million plants start to die.

00:16:19.600 So Patrick's point is that were nature just left to do what it would do, we would see

00:16:25.440 CO2 naturally go down to a level that life would actually die on Earth and we would indeed

00:16:31.680 see the end of life.

00:16:33.340 So his point is that our injection of CO2 is not only a good thing, it's an essential

00:16:38.200 thing because it's actually saving life on Earth.

00:16:42.160 And, you know, I want to read you a little bit of a quote from the Global News article about

00:16:46.380 Patrick Moore's situation in which they're quoting a University of Regina professor,

00:16:52.780 biology professor, Britt Hall.

00:16:55.140 And it really shows you how silly this debate has become.

00:16:58.360 She says, we're past the point in our history as a society that we can legitimize the idea

00:17:04.000 that climate change is not human induced.

00:17:05.900 So we're past the point in society where we can't debate a science topic.

00:17:12.240 Like, I thought science was all about skepticism and debate.

00:17:15.560 And then she goes on to say that these natural variations that we see in climate are not something

00:17:20.900 to be concerned about.

00:17:22.300 Well, yes, of course they are.

00:17:23.860 And that's why we should help people adapt.

00:17:25.820 So that sentence, actually, with a comma in the middle, doesn't actually make any sense

00:17:30.060 because, of course, climate change is all the time.

00:17:32.640 Patrick doesn't deny that.

00:17:34.320 And we should help people adapt to climate change.

00:17:36.680 But the idea that we can control it and the idea that it's not even legitimate to discuss

00:17:40.920 whether it's human induced.

00:17:42.520 I mean, you know, this is really sad.

00:17:45.160 Yeah.

00:17:45.460 Like some of the people who are critical of Patrick Moore are mad because he called climate

00:17:52.520 change a cult religion, but they're treating him like an apostate.

00:17:57.240 Like, if you don't want to be called a cult religion, maybe don't act like a cult religion.

00:18:01.600 One of the, you know, one of the people who is sort of leading this charge to have Patrick

00:18:07.760 Moore unpersoned and canceled is this woman called Shannon Zekidniak. 0.97

00:18:14.160 She's the founder of a local environmental organization called Enviro Collective, two of my least

00:18:19.920 favorite things, environmentalism and collectivism.

00:18:22.520 And she said that she would like to see a better balance of keynote speakers, balance one

00:18:32.320 slide of the debate, and those who have scientific credentials and represent progressive values.

00:18:38.460 So I think Patrick Moore certainly has the credentials.

00:18:42.040 Yeah.

00:18:42.480 I mean, these are the same people, though, which takes me nicely to our next topic.

00:18:46.980 These are the very same people who hold up a 16-year-old, deeply troubled, truant child

00:18:54.380 actor as an expert in climate science, but disregard someone like Patrick Moore, who is a PhD.

00:19:03.920 I should be referring to him as Dr. Patrick Moore every time I say his name, because he is

00:19:08.340 one.

00:19:08.540 He earned it.

00:19:09.660 He went to school.

00:19:10.480 And yet we're nominating somebody like Greta Thunberg, who's really done nothing more than

00:19:16.940 skip school and tour the world.

00:19:19.340 She's been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize for her work in climate activism.

00:19:25.300 Yeah.

00:19:25.680 It's very weird, actually.

00:19:26.980 If you read the definition of the Nobel Peace Prize, it's supposed to be going to those who,

00:19:31.640 quote, have done the most or best work for fraternity, fraternity between nations for

00:19:38.000 the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace

00:19:43.180 congresses.

00:19:44.500 Huh.

00:19:44.960 I don't recall her ever saying anything about that.

00:19:48.540 I guess the purpose of the Nobel Prize has been pretty politicized since the days it started

00:19:53.800 in 1901.

00:19:55.640 But yeah, I mean, you know, it's interesting because the person you've interviewed, Naomi

00:20:00.100 say it on the other side, she's not anti-Greta.

00:20:03.520 She just thinks that Greta is really being used as a puppet to support adults' point of 0.82

00:20:08.500 view on that side of the debate.

00:20:10.520 And it is interesting that Greta does seem to have to have her points scripted for her.

00:20:15.640 And I was reading recently that her father was doing some of her tweets.

00:20:19.280 So, I mean, it's fine for her to have that point of view, but we shouldn't be holding her

00:20:23.380 up as someone to follow, someone who hasn't even finished high school.

00:20:27.160 I mean, it's a bit silly.

00:20:28.520 Well, yeah.

00:20:30.020 And I mean, like you rightly point out, the Nobel Peace Prize has become very politicized.

00:20:36.620 It's now it's just a left wing goodie bag.

00:20:40.800 Really?

00:20:41.500 Obama got it while he was fighting three wars.

00:20:45.060 Obama got it before he even became president, didn't he?

00:20:49.340 I think he hadn't actually done anything yet.

00:20:51.240 It was kind of like an aspirational Nobel Peace Prize.

00:20:53.740 Yeah, I mean, they'll give it to anybody who espouses left wing values at this point.

00:21:00.720 Didn't Al Gore get it?

00:21:02.900 Yeah, he shared it with the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

00:21:06.980 But, you know, Sheila, one of the things that's really crazy about this is that the climate scare

00:21:10.940 should not be left wing.

00:21:12.340 I mean, if you follow the climate scare to its logical conclusion, what you have is extremely

00:21:18.200 expensive energy.

00:21:19.680 You have lots of wind turbines bothering people and killing millions of birds and bats.

00:21:24.780 I mean, the people I know on the left wing of the spectrum actually care about huge costs

00:21:30.660 for the poor.

00:21:31.640 They care about birds and bats.

00:21:33.600 I mean, there are species of bats that are going to be driven to extinction if this keeps

00:21:37.340 up.

00:21:38.360 And, you know, it's interesting because with 300,000 industrial wind turbines around the

00:21:42.800 world, we're getting still just as much power from fossil fuels as we were about 30 years

00:21:48.460 ago.

00:21:49.040 So they really aren't contributing much, but they certainly are costing a lot.

00:21:52.520 And they're doing a huge amount of damage to our ecology and our economy.

00:21:58.000 And that will hurt the poor and, of course, wildlife more than anything.

00:22:01.640 So why would the left support the climate scare?

00:22:03.920 I mean, I think they should kick them off the stage so they can focus on issues that really

00:22:08.220 matter.

00:22:09.600 Yeah.

00:22:10.500 You know, something I wanted to ask you about is your opinion column with Dr. Jay Lair that

00:22:17.300 you wrote.

00:22:17.940 I saw I found it in What's Up With That?

00:22:21.780 And it sort of stuck out for me because the criticism being leveled at Dr. Patrick Moore

00:22:28.160 are that he needs to be silenced for balance, which, you know, what a strange thing to say.

00:22:36.640 It's like they don't even know what that word means.

00:22:38.860 But your article says that climate alarmists are winning the war of words, despite evidence

00:22:46.700 that nothing unusual is happening.

00:22:48.500 So they are really sort of rewriting how we use the language to push their agenda.

00:22:53.800 And they're winning.

00:22:54.840 Oh, yeah, exactly.

00:22:55.540 And there's all kinds of examples.

00:22:57.380 I mean, they call carbon dioxide emissions carbon pollution.

00:23:01.120 Yeah.

00:23:01.380 The government calls it that all the time.

00:23:03.200 I mean, people should just laugh and correct them right away.

00:23:05.760 It's not carbon.

00:23:06.720 Carbon is solid.

00:23:07.700 It's like soot or diamonds and it's not pollution.

00:23:11.080 So, I mean, they're doubly wrong.

00:23:12.560 But there's all kinds of things that even people on the right use without actually thinking,

00:23:16.820 for example, green energy.

00:23:18.680 I mean, is it green if to reduce the CO2?

00:23:22.140 No, actually, that would be the opposite of green because CO2 promotes plant growth.

00:23:27.440 So, indeed, I mean, things like coal, for example, are green energy.

00:23:30.880 And, of course, they're natural.

00:23:32.120 It comes from the ground, comes from what used to be plants.

00:23:35.440 So, we have to be careful on the right that we don't actually use the language of our opponents

00:23:40.940 because the bottom line is they have, well, what they've done is they've incorporated the

00:23:46.080 appendix from 1984 into the debate.

00:23:48.680 And people should look it up on the web.

00:23:50.400 Search for George Orwell's book, 1984, and read the appendix, which is all about new speak.

00:23:55.860 It's 10 pages.

00:23:57.260 And, boy, it describes the climate debate right now.

00:24:00.020 Even people on our side of the argument are often using these stupid terms, you know,

00:24:05.340 like green energy and climate denier.

00:24:08.480 Like, no, we're not denying climate change.

00:24:10.320 That's ridiculous.

00:24:11.440 So, I mean, we can't allow them to choose the debate or choose the words because it makes

00:24:17.380 people think in the way they want them to think.

00:24:19.500 And, of course, that was the whole point of new speak is they created a language and they

00:24:24.040 chose words so that people would stop thinking, you know, in a critical way about anything

00:24:29.720 the government said.

00:24:31.060 So, yeah, we have to be careful about that, too.

00:24:34.600 Last thing on our agenda that I wanted to talk to you about is that it sounds like the

00:24:42.440 climate scare is dying.

00:24:44.280 The benchmark that they're using for all the climate change rhetoric, it's not very useful

00:24:51.040 anymore now, is it?

00:24:52.580 Well, yeah.

00:24:53.160 What's happened is a few years ago they provided various emission scenarios that climate scientists

00:24:58.580 would then use with their models to forecast what kind of climate change would happen.

00:25:03.300 And one particular model was actually a very extreme example of what could happen if the

00:25:08.740 amount of coal used increased by something like 500 percent.

00:25:12.960 And, of course, the people who made up the scenario, they admitted that this was exceptionally

00:25:17.300 unlikely.

00:25:18.260 I think they put a number of something like three percent chance of this happening.

00:25:21.560 But, unfortunately, many climate scientists have taken this scenario, this emission scenario,

00:25:27.580 and they've used it as the baseline in more than 2,000 research papers, often presenting

00:25:33.660 it as mankind's future if we don't engage with additional mitigation policies to reduce

00:25:40.000 greenhouse gases.

00:25:41.160 And, of course, the media almost invariably takes these science papers and exaggerates even

00:25:45.620 further, which, of course, leads to things like the, oh, we've got 12 years left to save

00:25:50.080 the planet.

00:25:51.040 Well, even the BBC last week admitted, uh-oh, something's wrong here.

00:25:56.080 This was an extremely unlikely scenario and now is virtually impossible because the forecast

00:26:01.160 is that coal usage will actually plateau around the middle of this century and will not increase

00:26:07.380 by 500 percent.

00:26:09.320 So they're saying, oh, well, yeah, in fact, well, maybe the whole thing in which all these

00:26:14.600 scientific research papers are based on is an exaggeration that simply will not happen and

00:26:20.760 isn't even remotely feasible.

00:26:22.840 And it's kind of interesting because BBC still tried to say, oh, yeah, but it's going to be a

00:26:28.120 big crisis anyways.

00:26:29.880 So this, you know, Anthony Watts from What's Up With That, people can look it up, he's probably

00:26:35.420 the world's leading site on climate change information.

00:26:37.840 He pointed out that this is the biggest blow to the climate movement since ClimateGate because

00:26:44.260 if indeed the origin of all these big headlines in the media were scientific papers that were

00:26:50.660 based on a emissions scenario that is now essentially impossible, then, yeah, all those headlines

00:26:57.680 are ridiculous.

00:26:59.020 They don't make any sense at all.

00:27:00.440 So this is a big advance for us.

00:27:01.980 And hopefully what it will do is encourage the public to be a lot more skeptical.

00:27:07.920 And remember, Y2K was not a disaster.

00:27:10.740 There's lots of things that are, yeah, there are lots of headlines that are generated, including

00:27:15.440 climate, climate scare and climate alarmism that if you dig in deeper, you find are just

00:27:21.040 nonsense.

00:27:22.460 Yeah, I've already lived through the hole in the ozone, acid rain, Y2K and the Mayan apocalypse 1.00

00:27:29.440 of 2012, and I'm still on the right side of the dirt.

00:27:33.320 So killer bees, they were coming to Canada.

00:27:37.120 Africanized killer bees, that's right. 0.99

00:27:38.760 They were on their way to get us, even though it gets to this winter, minus 48.

00:27:43.920 I don't know how well killer bees do it. 1.00

00:27:46.760 I was very happy to hear President Trump in Davos at the big economic forum.

00:27:52.280 He was saying this is a good time and people should be optimistic about the future.

00:27:56.300 And, you know, when I tell friends of mine that what their kids are hearing in school

00:28:00.720 about, you know, coming climate catastrophe, it's all wrong.

00:28:04.880 People are saying, whoa, you know, that's good.

00:28:06.960 We should tell our kids that.

00:28:08.160 We shouldn't depress them and make them have suicidal thoughts and things like that.

00:28:12.180 Apparently, the first suicide in Europe attributed to climate change for a teenager happened just

00:28:17.220 recently.

00:28:17.600 So, I mean, you know, this kind of negative anticipation about the future, this is really

00:28:22.840 unhealthy.

00:28:24.100 And we should really take a leaf out of President Trump's book where he said, point blank, let's

00:28:30.040 be optimistic.

00:28:30.960 There's good things happening in the world.

00:28:32.600 And, you know, you know me, I'm a promoter of the space program and we're on our way back

00:28:37.620 into space.

00:28:38.220 This is exciting times for all kinds of reasons.

00:28:41.560 Yep.

00:28:42.040 You know what?

00:28:42.500 That is right.

00:28:43.440 It is a great time to be alive.

00:28:45.340 It's a great time to be a human being, probably the best time in human existence as far as

00:28:51.400 science, as far as knowledge, and as far as our access to information.

00:28:55.980 Tom, I wanted to ask you what's next for the International Climate Science Coalition?

00:29:01.480 What else do you have on your agenda?

00:29:03.860 And also, how can people support the work that you do?

00:29:06.920 Because you, like us, you're under attack from the government from time to time and people

00:29:11.480 would just love to censor you.

00:29:12.780 So how do people go around that to see what you're up to?

00:29:15.760 Well, people should pay attention to our website, which is climatescienceinternational.org, because

00:29:21.740 in the near future, they're going to see something up there about Climate Realism Canada.

00:29:26.780 It's not officially announced at this point, but, you know, we're working on it in the background

00:29:30.880 and you're going to see a pushback against a lot of these policies.

00:29:35.040 So, you know, stay tuned.

00:29:36.780 There's more coming in the future.

00:29:38.100 Is there a place where people can donate to your work?

00:29:42.740 I know that the federal government would love to believe that you have these dark money,

00:29:48.340 big pocketed, you know, coal companies donating to you.

00:29:51.460 But I think it's just normal people like me.

00:29:53.480 Well, you know, it's interesting when Tim Patterson, one of the scientists who's worked

00:29:56.740 with us for years, when he said that when people criticized him as being funded by big

00:30:01.240 oil, his question was, where do we apply?

00:30:04.240 I wish.

00:30:05.160 Oh, if people have an idea how we can get funding from big oil, I'd love to hear from

00:30:08.500 them.

00:30:09.120 But yeah, donate through PayPal.

00:30:11.100 There's a donate button.

00:30:12.840 And we keep people then up to date on everything that we're doing.

00:30:16.300 And, you know, we write articles and we're trying to get into the Canadian media more and

00:30:20.640 more.

00:30:20.800 It's tough to do.

00:30:21.800 Thanks to you, we are able to do it.

00:30:24.540 But our main publishing at this point is in the United States, which fortunately has a

00:30:29.380 broader diversity of opinion allowed in the Canadian and then in the Canadian press.

00:30:34.160 I mean, it's interesting in Canadian media about 10 years ago, we got published from coast

00:30:39.100 to coast.

00:30:40.540 And, you know, people would listen to us and they hear both sides.

00:30:44.360 They could make up their own mind.

00:30:45.580 But the door, unfortunately, has been totally closed on climate realism in practically all

00:30:50.880 Canadian media, with the exception of your outlet, you know, fantastic work that you're

00:30:55.620 doing, and also Canada Free Press.

00:30:58.040 Aside from that, there's almost no one in Canada who's publicizing both sides of the

00:31:02.220 debate.

00:31:02.780 It's almost like they consider us a bunch of children that have to be only told that Santa

00:31:06.660 Claus is real and not hear any alternative.

00:31:09.420 So, yeah, I really compliment the rebel and good luck with Ezra's babble.

00:31:14.740 Thank you.

00:31:15.420 And thanks, Tom, for coming on the show.

00:31:17.680 As long as I have an opportunity to tell the other side of the story, you're welcome

00:31:22.080 on the show.

00:31:23.060 And I think our people really appreciate the chance to be exposed to those alternative

00:31:28.560 ideas.

00:31:30.240 So, Tom, great.

00:31:31.880 We'll have you back on the show very soon.

00:31:35.020 We shouldn't wait as long in between appearances as we have been.

00:31:38.480 OK, well, thank you very much.

00:31:39.760 See you later.

00:31:40.580 Thanks, Tom.

00:31:45.420 Isn't it a shame that someone like Tom Harris, a good Canadian like Tom Harris, has to publish

00:31:52.980 his articles in the United States, and then Canadians like me have to source their news

00:31:57.980 in the United States to hear what Tom has to say, to hear the other side of the story

00:32:02.600 of the climate change debate?

00:32:03.940 How is that the diversity that the Liberals keep prattling on about?

00:32:09.040 Thank goodness for the Internet, because the old media is no longer the gatekeepers of

00:32:14.640 our information.

00:32:15.780 And that is probably why the Liberals want to regulate the Internet.

00:32:20.640 Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight.

00:32:22.500 Thank you so much for tuning in.

00:32:24.160 I'll see everybody back here in the same time, in the same place next week.

00:32:28.400 And remember, don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.

00:32:54.160 I'll see everybody back here in the same time.

Rebel News Podcast - February 06, 2020

Investigated by the Competition Bureau... for being climate change skeptics

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