Rebel News Podcast - Isabel Brown： Conservatives Are The Counterculture

00:00:00.000 Isabel Brown is a political commentator, spokesperson for Turning Point USA, and author of the new 0.98

00:00:26.280 book, Frontlines, Finding My Voice on American College Campus. You can buy it on isabel-brown.com

00:00:32.640 and also find her on Instagram at theisabelbrown, where she posts her content as well as pictures

00:00:38.360 of her corgi. Isabel, thanks for joining us today. How are you? Doing great. Love the mention of my

00:00:45.200 corgi. She's the best part of every day for me, and I'm so glad to be joining you today. Great. Yeah,

00:00:50.400 that's freedom, guns, and corgis I get a lot from, and of course your content. And speaking

00:00:56.520 of your content, something I noticed that you started recently, I think, was the Freedom

00:01:01.200 Seed series, which is a series of short, like, informational political videos, and I wanted

00:01:06.220 to jump right into some of those. Hate speech is one of the first topics I noticed, and

00:01:11.860 that's something I'm very adamant about. I love free speech. I wish we had it here where

00:01:17.140 I was, and so I want to play this first video of yours and get you to expand on what exactly

00:01:21.740 it is that you meant. Do we have that, Justin?

00:01:24.820 Here's your daily Freedom Seed. Last month, I told you nearly half of Americans believe

00:01:34.180 hate speech should be illegal. Good news for you. True hate speech is. We already have legal

00:01:39.940 protections for true hate speech under law in the United States. American law limits our

00:01:44.860 freedom of speech in nine different categories. Obscenity, fighting words, defamation, including

00:01:50.420 libel and slander, which is when your words end up causing harm to someone else's reputation

00:01:55.740 or livelihood. Child pornography, perjury or lying under oath, blackmail, incitement to imminent

00:02:02.520 lawless action, true threats, and solicitations to commit crimes. When someone commits one of those

00:02:08.400 nine actions, they are breaking the law and ultimately are eligible to be prosecuted and

00:02:13.860 convicted of a crime. Hate speech under law is a protected form of speech, and we shouldn't

00:02:18.700 classify any offensive language as criminal when my definition of offensive is probably

00:02:23.900 dramatically different from yours.

00:02:25.960 Now, Isabel, I think that should probably be shown in schools. I know far leftists would

00:02:32.460 say that's evil propaganda to share that knowledge with people, but why do you think that there's

00:02:37.360 this sort of a movement going on from young people where they think they should be able

00:02:41.280 to be sheltered from mean words or criticisms that they don't like?

00:02:46.520 Ultimately, I think a lot of this boils down to the fact that in America, we are culturally

00:02:50.880 being taught that we should always avoid talking about any subject that has a basis in values,

00:02:57.280 especially if you think you're going to disagree with someone on those topics. So even around

00:03:01.900 the dinner table with your immediate family, you are adamantly discouraged by our society to

00:03:06.940 talk about both politics and religion and any other value system whatsoever. Essentially,

00:03:11.900 that means that young people are showing up to their college campuses and they're being

00:03:15.740 taught that free speech is a scary thing, that people disagreeing with you is going to

00:03:20.740 cause you emotional harm at the very least and therefore should be banned. Things like,

00:03:25.920 I love Donald Trump as president of the United States or we need strong border security are now

00:03:31.060 being categorized as some sort of hateful language that's ultimately causing emotional harm to other

00:03:36.680 people. That's what people my age like to call hate speech in the United States. But the reality is

00:03:41.960 my definition of what's offensive is so much dramatically different from many of my peers. And it always 1.00

00:03:47.300 depends on who's in charge and who is in power in politics and government to change that definition

00:03:52.800 over and over and over again. Instead of limiting speech from other people that we disagree with, we

00:03:57.540 should instead learn how to talk to each other about these things that we disagree with. And I think

00:04:02.340 many people unfortunately don't know that restrictions on speech do already exist in the United States.

00:04:08.520 There is a limit on what you can and cannot say and that's never talked about on college campuses or in

00:04:13.520 culture in our country. Well, for sure. I agree with everything you've said there. And is there a way

00:04:18.860 that you can see other than you're doing your part, you're making these videos. I think they're good.

00:04:23.120 Is there a way we can steer people away from this? Don't talk about religion or politics. You're going to

00:04:29.260 you're going to come off as bad. Is there a way to steer people away from that notion?

00:04:33.680 I think it really just starts with us being willing to take the first step in doing just that and having

00:04:39.620 these very crucial conversations with our friends, our family members, our peers that we know disagree

00:04:45.000 with us, our professors in class and anyone else you can think of in your life. In my own experiences,

00:04:50.720 I've had so many productive conversations with people that I knew disagreed with me, but we took

00:04:56.480 the time to be patient and respectful and kind and ask all the right questions of why I was coming

00:05:02.220 from my perspective, why they were coming from theirs and what we had in common at the end of the day.

00:05:07.240 The truth is, most of us agree on where we want to go as a country and even as a free world,

00:05:12.620 we just disagree on how to get there. So if we can get over this cultural division

00:05:16.780 that our political and cultural leaders are saying is so categorized in the United States,

00:05:22.400 especially on college campuses and in entertainment, that's how we can discover that we can come

00:05:26.860 together on most things. Now, did you see all the stuff around Piers Morgan and the Meghan Markle

00:05:33.100 stuff? Are you privy to that knowledge? I sure did. Yeah. Why do you think that identity is brought

00:05:39.620 up? Because I watched it the other day and Sharon Osbourne's defending him, saying he's not racist.

00:05:44.900 Now, all of a sudden, she's racist. She has to apologize. Why are why is identity always used

00:05:50.160 here? Is it a deflection from having to answer the actual questions and discover the actual truth?

00:05:55.740 And that's just one example. But yeah, sadly, in 2021, everything makes you racist in one way or

00:06:03.580 another. So everyone is learning that they have to apologize for things that they said that they

00:06:08.400 thought that they didn't say, because as the left says in America, silence is violence, but speech is

00:06:13.900 also violent. So be prepared to be apologizing for a lot of things in our woke culture today.

00:06:19.520 I think this concept of identity really centers around the fact that the left loves to identify

00:06:24.820 people as a group, not as an individual. And this pertains to a lot of their policies

00:06:29.880 that they put into effect here in America and around the world as well. They're not interested

00:06:34.680 in your individualism. And that's why free speech isn't important. Why the American dream is considered

00:06:39.880 dead from the political left today. Why they're making it harder to get a job or start a business,

00:06:44.680 but easier to be dependent on the government, because it's much easier to identify you as a

00:06:50.180 black American or a female American or some sort of minority group, or even just as a whole individuals

00:06:56.080 who no longer are an individual, but instead are a group of people subservient to the role of the

00:07:01.980 government from the federal level down. That group identity is largely highlighted in race above all

00:07:08.860 else. And a lot of that has to do with our culture, highlighting groups like the Black Lives Matter

00:07:13.400 Incorporated movement and even Antifa spewing some of that information as well. But yeah,

00:07:18.660 today the big buzzword is racism. And truthfully, everything has been labeled as racist from Dr.

00:07:24.340 Seuss books to Piers Morgan's comments on Meghan Markle on international television.

00:07:29.440 You're just so wise beyond your years as well. I'm pretty sure you're actually 75 years old.

00:07:34.700 I would agree with that actually.

00:07:36.700 Stay tuned for your birth certificate to be revealed on the show.

00:07:39.500 Gun rights is something else you talk about a lot, especially in these freedom seeds. I like that

00:07:44.600 one as well. And if you're not aware, we have no real gun rights in Canada. They're being taken away

00:07:49.980 by name all the time. They have a big list of banned guns that they add to all the time because

00:07:55.680 they can't ban them from a functionality standpoint, because that wouldn't make any sense.

00:08:00.240 So you come at it from another angle, though, that I don't think I see anybody talking about it in

00:08:06.320 Canada. So let's show that clip, Justin, and I want to get your explanation for that one as well.

00:08:11.220 Freedom seed. Gun rights are women's rights. It's a biological fact that men and women are built 1.00

00:08:16.940 differently. Don't at me, leftists. It's the truth. On average, biological men have a greater height and

00:08:22.720 muscle mass than women. So what happens when a large man tries to attack me, a five foot one woman? 1.00

00:08:29.060 I'm tough, but I don't have a lot of options. Firearms can act as an important equalizer to give

00:08:34.440 good women attacked by bad men the chance to defend themselves. It's no surprise then that women are 1.00

00:08:40.440 the fastest growing demographic of gun owners. In fact, specifically women between the ages of 18

00:08:46.200 and 34 are the most likely to become gun owners. So what's the deal with women buying so many guns? 1.00

00:08:52.360 Simple, for protection. A 2017 Pew Research study found that nearly 70 percent of female gun owners 0.99

00:08:58.560 cite personal protection as their primary reason for owning a gun. A lot of hate speech in there,

00:09:04.100 Isabel, I gotta say. So to play devil's advocate on that, what would you say is a stat or evidence

00:09:11.140 showing that more women should be carrying for their own protection? Yeah, unfortunately, the data

00:09:16.880 just isn't really out there when it comes to proving carrying every day can protect you. And a lot of that

00:09:22.240 has to do with the fact that many of the instances where women do prove to defend themselves and protect 0.53

00:09:27.880 themselves in situations of attack don't get reported when a firearm is being used. So I would

00:09:33.040 direct people who are listening to this program maybe to the FBI. They have some great statistics

00:09:37.720 on gun use and stories of gun use being used in defensive situations to save someone's life.

00:09:43.360 But the data is out there when it comes to the individual being a woman protecting themselves

00:09:48.960 against a man. You know, I think it's sad today that gender is being so dramatically erased,

00:09:55.420 not just in the U.S., but around the world. And at first, it was masculinity being attacked,

00:10:00.180 that that was toxic and not supposed to be present in society. And today in 2021,

00:10:05.480 it's femininity and women that are being attacked by our society and our culture. Instead, 1.00

00:10:10.240 we're all just supposed to be non-binary, live outside of this male or female option

00:10:15.360 and somehow lie in the middle. You see women being spelled W-O-M-X-N today in America because 1.00

00:10:22.400 there are women who are not women, apparently, which is very confusing. And the mental gymnastics

00:10:27.420 associated with that is enough to tire out anybody, even if you do work in politics and have to deal

00:10:32.840 with this stuff every day. But yeah, 70% of new gun owners who are women in America cite personal

00:10:39.140 protection as their primary reason for wanting to purchase a firearm. That's a statistic that

00:10:44.500 people should be paying attention to. Feminists, women's rights advocates, leftist groups and 1.00

00:10:49.300 conservative groups alike. This is not a political issue. This is a human rights issue. And it makes

00:10:54.520 me sick to my stomach every time I read another story of a young woman who went out for a job 0.99

00:10:59.460 or who lives alone in her apartment and is taken advantage of because of the known factual biological

00:11:04.900 differences between men and women. I have a concealed carry permit here in the United States and I do

00:11:10.360 carry a personal firearm for protection. That's a decision that I made on my own. But I can tell

00:11:15.640 you there are dozens of people in my own life, conservative and liberal alike, who have made the

00:11:19.800 same decision. And I think when we can remove this political stigma associated with the Second

00:11:24.400 Amendment, we know that this is a human rights problem, not just a political one. And the Second

00:11:29.140 Amendment was created to allow for protection for all Americans, regardless of who you vote for.

00:11:34.320 I think that's really cool, Isabelle. And obviously, I think that the most obvious reason that you

00:11:40.140 mentioned as a great equalizer would be sexual assault. Now, you're on college campuses, you're

00:11:46.060 out there with your male counterpart, I'll call him Will Witt. You guys can just change genders now, 0.97

00:11:52.420 I think. But when you're on college campuses and you're explaining this to maybe girls, maybe boys as

00:11:59.100 well, is there a common answer as to why they shouldn't get a gun? Because I think ingrained in

00:12:06.120 them a lot of times, especially in California, where I think you guys are both from, it's very

00:12:12.140 anti-gun. And then even we've seen with incidents there in the no-gun zones, of course, there's the

00:12:16.820 shooter there. Is there a common answer or excuse that is given as to why, no, we should still not

00:12:22.480 allow guns to be purchased. We still need more restrictions. Is there something that you hear

00:12:27.760 often? I'm actually from Colorado, which is another state that has a complete assault on the Second

00:12:34.320 Amendment and is really doing everything they can to prevent gun ownership as much as possible. But

00:12:39.040 I've done a lot of work in California and arguably they have some of the strictest gun control in the

00:12:44.120 country when it comes to your ability to own the firearm of your choosing, to have extended magazines that

00:12:49.640 have more than 10 bullets in them, and obviously to exercise your right to carry, which is the

00:12:54.560 natural progression of what happens after you buy a firearm. You want to have it with you all the

00:12:58.780 time for personal protection. It's a dangerous situation when we're seeing this limitation of

00:13:03.880 the ability of people to take care of themselves and defend themselves, especially on college campuses.

00:13:09.480 And there's a very, very small number of states in America that allow for something called campus

00:13:14.060 carry, meaning you can conceal carry a firearm on your college campus, public or private.

00:13:19.640 Obviously some of those schools have different rules, but I was very fortunate in Colorado

00:13:23.600 to have access to campus carry. And that was always one of my primary concerns was sexual assault.

00:13:29.700 You see on college campuses in America, and I'm not sure if the same is true where you are from or in

00:13:34.380 Europe or around the world, but we have little stations that have a blue call light. So it's like

00:13:39.520 a little blue light and you call the police on this phone pole essentially. And then you wait

00:13:44.240 at one of these stations if you find yourself in danger on campus. What I love to tell people is

00:13:49.380 the reality is if you call the police from one of these stations, it's going to take several minutes,

00:13:54.120 if not up to 10 or 15 minutes for the police to get there and diffuse whatever situation you feel

00:13:59.700 uncomfortable in. When you have the ownership and the training and the proper responsibility under

00:14:04.800 your belt to defend yourself, it takes two seconds instead of a few minutes or 10 minutes or 15 minutes

00:14:10.680 or 20 minutes. And you just have so much more control over the situation and you're empowered

00:14:15.240 to deal with whatever you're dealing with in that moment rather than being completely reliant

00:14:20.180 on someone else. I think the reasons for limiting gun ownership through gun control from the left

00:14:26.320 all center around emotional arguments. There's not a lot of logic there, but they point towards

00:14:31.700 school shootings. They point toward situations of negligent discharges from guns where people

00:14:37.360 accidentally fired their gun when they weren't meaning to. And that is so unbelievably rare when

00:14:43.120 you think about the gun ownership rate in the United States and how many people have access to

00:14:47.620 a firearm all the time. The reality is if you have the right training, you're constantly practicing

00:14:52.440 and you're taking ownership of your empowerment through owning a firearm, you are going to be so much

00:14:58.520 better prepared to handle any emergency that you are a part of or that your family, friends and

00:15:03.980 community might be a part of as well. So we try to break down the logical arguments there and avoid

00:15:09.460 some of these emotional conversations, which are tragic and harrowing. But even those things could

00:15:14.360 have prevented themselves had there been a good guy with a gun who was well trained and equipped to

00:15:19.840 handle those situations. Yeah. And I think the knowledge of firearms is incredibly low amongst those

00:15:26.680 who are against it. I mean, I wish I'd queued up the video here, but there's a clip of mine from when I first

00:15:33.180 started doing Streeters for Rebel News where I was asking people about an assault rifle ban and what was

00:15:38.380 an assault rifle. None of them knew. One guy who really thought he knew thought that the measurement was an

00:15:43.560 assault rifle can shoot three to four blocks. I'd never heard that measurement for bullet distance before.

00:15:49.660 But the gun ban is gun specifically for assault weapons. Do you know what an assault rifle is?

00:15:54.860 Yeah, assault rifle would be like a hunting rifle, long, and it'd be long range, like probably four blocks.

00:16:05.180 But that's the level of knowledge on guns from the anti-gun crowd. I think most people would understand

00:16:12.540 that it's for self-protection and we don't want to go too far. But then again, we don't have a constitution

00:16:17.980 here that says we have the right, whereas I wish we did. Some other video that I liked of yours was the

00:16:24.380 Women's March of last year. And I have a lot of questions about how it would compare to 2021.

00:16:29.820 Obviously, it didn't really happen this year, which is what we'll get to. So let's play that March,

00:16:34.780 Women's March video from last year. I believe that women could do whatever they want and they are not 1.00

00:16:41.900 like less than men. Like it really is a man's world and I feel like we should change that. 1.00

00:16:46.620 It's like as a man, what rights do I have that you don't have? Inherently, men are still getting paid

00:16:51.180 more. Have you ever thought that maybe women choose jobs that pay less than men? So then the wage gap

00:16:57.340 reflects that they choose jobs that pay less. You know, men mostly dominate like engineering and stuff 0.66

00:17:02.220 like that that pays more. Now math and science is dominated with women, but men are still getting the 1.00

00:17:07.180 jobs because they're men. Your dog is very, very sweet. Dogs for women's rights. 2020 marks the year 0.99

00:17:13.740 that there is less access to abortion clinics in America since 1978. Hateful, horrible things to

00:17:21.100 continue. It's not just Trump. It's all the people that support him. The president is the worst of any

00:17:27.660 human being. Now, as well, why no big march this year? Is it because there's no Trump? We saw Black Lives Matter

00:17:34.940 and all these other marches going on all summer long. Why nothing this year? Or was there one that

00:17:39.740 I missed? I don't think there's one that you missed. Ultimately, I think most of this centers

00:17:44.940 around all of the restrictions in these big cities that are run by Democrats when it comes to COVID-19

00:17:50.460 regulations. Big gatherings like this just aren't happening in 2021. The March for Life was largely online

00:17:56.780 as well. So I think we're going to be seeing sort of a diminishment of these big marches and

00:18:01.420 gatherings and protests throughout the next few months at the very least. But my hope is that they

00:18:05.740 do come back because it is very enlightening to speak to some of these people about why they're

00:18:10.540 attending these marches, why they genuinely believe women have less rights than men in America and around

00:18:16.540 the world. Obviously, there's zero evidence to back up their claims and they're sort of just regurgitating

00:18:21.420 talking points that they've heard from politicians or cultural figures. But it's important to have

00:18:26.380 these conversations because you have to understand where the left is coming from in order to properly

00:18:31.580 negate their arguments. So who do you think they would blame this time around? It's 2021. Joe Biden's

00:18:37.420 the president. He won by 600 trillion votes, Isabel. What is the thesis around any of these protests

00:18:46.220 going to be? Because they've, for the large part, not been about what they say they about. March for

00:18:50.540 your lives is march against Trump, women's marches, march against Trump with different hats on. 0.97

00:18:56.460 Where are we going to place this blame? Is there a new talking point that I'm not familiar with?

00:19:01.660 Incredibly, all of these marches and organizations are still anti-Trump and he seems to be

00:19:07.740 rent free in the minds of leftists, even as he's playing golf down in Florida at Mar-a-Lago. So I think

00:19:13.580 at least for the next few months, they can probably get away with continuing to blame everything on our

00:19:18.620 former president. But you're absolutely right. At some point, that's not a valid excuse anymore.

00:19:23.500 And there needs to be an honest conversation about what they're upset about and who is responsible for

00:19:28.300 those actions.

00:19:29.500 Now, overall, I wanted to get to where you think a lot of these thoughts and beliefs come from.

00:19:34.140 But I do want to package it up with this next clip of yours,

00:19:37.420 sort of along the same lines of the whole gender argument here from the women's march.

00:19:43.100 And it's another great one from you guys, which is who should pay for a date? I really enjoy this

00:19:47.580 one. Can we play that one, please? I definitely hold doors like chivalry's not all the way dead.

00:19:51.580 Do you think that the idea of traditional gender roles is still important in relationships?

00:19:56.060 On occasion, but no, I think we're getting further and further away from that in today's society.

00:20:01.100 It's more of a social thing and less of a gender thing because gender roles change per culture. 1.00

00:20:05.900 I think the roles have definitely changed a little bit, but I think it's definitely important,

00:20:10.380 like to keep the main ones in place, such as the man opening the door for the girl.

00:20:14.460 Would you ever propose to the man? I don't think so.

00:20:17.900 I wouldn't care if a woman proposed, but like I said, I would probably propose. 1.00

00:20:24.140 Would you ever propose to a man? No, no.

00:20:27.580 Good. Just because I feel like that's just a guy's role, you know?

00:20:31.740 I 100% agree. I think marriage is outdated. I think that was something used back then to connect

00:20:36.940 families and, you know, have peace among families. I don't really believe in marriage anymore.

00:20:41.660 I just believe love the person that you're with.

00:20:44.380 Marriage is about connecting families, Isabel. He's really taking the like 13th century approach to

00:20:49.980 that. You send your princess across Europe to another family, they get married, they consummate it

00:20:56.620 there. Where do you think that a lot of this thinking is ingrained from? Because really it's only

00:21:01.660 popped up over the last 20 years, I want to say. Most of this completely centers around something

00:21:07.580 I spoke about earlier on this podcast, and that's eliminating the idea of individuality and assigning

00:21:13.260 everybody to a group. And we'll talk about the most extreme level of that right now, but I think

00:21:17.740 these are all stepping stones to get to this end goal from the most progressive left in America.

00:21:23.340 Black Lives Matter Inc. recently released a statement when they first popped up their new website last

00:21:28.220 summer in 2020 that one of their primary goals as an organization was to completely get rid of the

00:21:33.820 nuclear family in the United States and around the world. In their view, the nuclear family is this

00:21:39.580 oppressive, patriarchal, capitalist engine in order to keep controlling people rather than all living

00:21:45.980 harmoniously and doing whatever you want and, you know, identifying yourself as a group and a community

00:21:51.580 living in a commune rather than a family. So their goal was actually to completely get rid of the

00:21:56.620 idea of mothers and fathers and instead have surrogate parents and the entire community

00:22:02.140 raises a child with zero gender identity. They can choose for themselves and the whole nine yards 0.99

00:22:07.820 of nonsense there. That is the end goal of the progressive left in America. So when it comes to

00:22:12.940 degrading gender identity and gender roles, the things that we're seeing today getting rid of

00:22:17.980 masculinity and femininity. California, for example, is getting rid of boys and girls sections

00:22:23.260 in department stores or toy stores. No longer can you spell women with an E or men with an E.

00:22:28.940 Uh, we're getting to this point where we're not identified by our unique characteristics as

00:22:34.140 individuals, myself being a biological woman and having the capacity to create life being one of the

00:22:39.580 most important aspects of my identity. But instead we're all just people. It's kept generic on purpose

00:22:46.060 because they want to keep the human population as generic as possible in order to be subservient to one

00:22:52.700 overarching power, that being the government. So ultimately, I think this assault on marriage is

00:22:57.420 really connected to getting rid of the nuclear family and ultimately getting rid of your unique 1.00

00:23:02.940 individual or familial identity to begin with. Now, Isabel, on more of a personal level,

00:23:08.460 you're out there, you're with the most masculine guy ever, Will Witt. Shout out to Will Witt. You're

00:23:13.580 interviewing these people in California and maybe there's a bit of it in Colorado like you mentioned,

00:23:17.740 but having been in these conservative circles and you probably are friends with a lot of, uh,

00:23:23.500 more of true, let's call it traditional gender roles, even though I think that would just be normal. 0.98

00:23:27.980 Um, are you seeing a lot of this from men you interact with, from girls you interact with? Because

00:23:33.740 I watched something from California, like, um, something I had written down was Logan Paul versus

00:23:38.780 Caitlin Bennett. And all the guys on his show, it's pretty obvious they're from California and grew up there.

00:23:43.740 They're offended by any little nugget of, of truth that she says that isn't completely progressive.

00:23:49.900 They're shocked to hear even the notion of anything. Uh, I'm afraid to say these things on

00:23:54.940 YouTube because I'll get taken down. Do you notice it in your day-to-day life and your interactions with

00:23:59.420 people? I don't see it as much now that I've graduated from my undergraduate and graduate school

00:24:05.580 programs on my college campuses. I see it obviously when I travel to speak to student groups

00:24:10.860 at their universities, but a lot of this follows political lines and the different political

00:24:16.140 ideologies in America. The left overwhelmingly is leaning into this woke culture as much as humanly

00:24:22.860 possible, uh, afraid to offend anybody. And that's where you're seeing all these problems of pronouns,

00:24:27.980 signs outside of bathrooms, and things like the Equality Act going through our United States Congress

00:24:32.940 that passed completely along party lines in the U.S. House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate.

00:24:38.060 Whereas conservatives amazingly are becoming counter-cultural in an unexpected way

00:24:43.180 by embracing traditional gender roles, getting married very young and having lots and lots of

00:24:47.660 children and overwhelmingly returning to the church in America, which is a very interesting phenomenon.

00:24:53.180 I don't think we could have predicted even just a few years ago. If you engage in the most

00:24:57.820 progressive aspects of culture, social media, large corporations, college campuses, that's where you're

00:25:03.100 seeing a lot of this insane culture start to generate and then spread throughout the United

00:25:07.900 States of America. So it's definitely out there, but doing what I do as an outspoken conservative and

00:25:12.780 mostly engaging with people who I agree with every day, I don't see a lot of it in my own social circles.

00:25:18.380 Well, I'm glad that you managed to escape. I work in Toronto here in Canada. It's impossible to escape it

00:25:24.380 just walking around. Guy on his bike, riding a bike, wearing a mask, you know, that sort of stuff.

00:25:30.140 Oh yeah.

00:25:31.180 I want to talk about your book. It's called Frontlines, Finding My Voice

00:25:35.020 on an American College Campus Paperback. I'll say it properly for you guys. Frontlines,

00:25:41.260 Finding My Voice on an American College Campus. It's available on your website and I believe on Amazon and

00:25:47.420 Barnes and Noble as well. What inspired the books? What inspired the book, particularly in the sense

00:25:54.220 that I'm curious to know what really opened your eyes or have you always been conservative?

00:26:01.100 I have always been conservative, but politics was never something that I wanted to engage in

00:26:06.380 professionally. It was always just a personal hobby for me when I was a younger child and in high

00:26:11.340 school. I actually went to college to become a doctor. My dream was to be a trauma surgeon and I

00:26:16.940 studied biomedical sciences at the large research university in my home state of Colorado,

00:26:22.220 at Colorado State University, which is pretty notorious in my home state for being the big

00:26:27.100 cowboy agricultural public school, a very conservative environment and somewhere I expected

00:26:32.700 to really find a community of people that shared my foundational values. Obviously, I wrote the whole

00:26:38.540 book on how the opposite of that happened and I found myself in this extreme intolerance leftist

00:26:44.780 environment that was hell-bent on indoctrinating students towards leftism rather than educating

00:26:50.700 young adults to become progressive and effective members of society. Progressive in the true sense,

00:26:56.140 not the leftist political version that we see today. So even in my classes like anatomy and physics and

00:27:02.060 organic chemistry, I was being taught that yes, there's two sets of chromosomes, but gender is actually a

00:27:07.900 social construct, so forget everything we said. And we would refer to a baby in the womb as a baby through the whole

00:27:13.900 process of learning about fetal development, when a heartbeat is formed, when unique fingerprints are

00:27:18.940 formed, only to be told at the end of the unit that that actually was a fetus and termination of a

00:27:24.300 pregnancy had nothing to do with ending a unique biological life. We spent a lot of time even in those classes

00:27:31.100 talking about why free speech is no longer applicable to American culture or why we don't need a wall at the

00:27:37.260 southern border and especially how evil the orange guy was sitting in our oval office. And it was so 0.57

00:27:43.420 shocking to me as someone who chose science because I love the pursuit of objective truth, that science in

00:27:50.300 academia today is not driven by that pursuit of truth, it's driven by the changing narrative of our

00:27:56.300 political correctness culture that we see every single day in the United States of America. I became a very

00:28:02.540 outspoken conservative as a result of the extreme leftist environment on my campus because I looked

00:28:07.820 around and I didn't see anybody advocating for the values that I held closest to my heart. So I thought

00:28:13.820 I'll just have to do it. And I instantly became labeled as that conservative girl or that turning

00:28:19.420 point USA girl on campus, got death threats, threats of violence, my address to my one bedroom apartment

00:28:26.060 was doxxed online without my consent. So all of a sudden, nowhere in my college community was safe,

00:28:32.140 not my classroom, not the student government office where I was referred to as Nazi Barbie or white

00:28:37.980 power Barbie and not even my apartment right off campus. So it was so eye opening to see how far

00:28:44.540 the left would go to silence not just conservative ideas, but even objective truth in the name of

00:28:50.940 indoctrinating people toward leftism. I wrote this book because it became so apparent to me that we're

00:28:56.460 hearing a lot about how crazy college campuses are when someone like Dennis Prager or Charlie Kirk comes

00:29:01.980 to speak on a campus and there's a big protest. But nobody knew that myself as a campus student

00:29:07.660 activist without a big following on social media would be threatened with a failing grade in a class

00:29:13.100 six months later because I had invited them or people trying to kick me out of student government

00:29:18.060 because I had voted for President Donald Trump. And this assault on conservative students is happening

00:29:23.660 every single day. They're just not stories that make it to the national conversation, but they are

00:29:28.540 stories that are worth being told. And I hope to inspire a lot more of that storytelling through

00:29:33.580 revealing what happened in my own college experience and also covering the state of affairs on our

00:29:38.220 campuses today through my book Frontlines. It's not easy to write a book and it takes a lot of courage to

00:29:44.220 and building up your inner self to come out and be the person who's willing to speak, especially against

00:29:49.420 all the stuff that you've come up against, which of course is horrible. We're going to end the YouTube

00:29:54.940 segment there, Isabel. So if you guys want to see the rest of the interview, go to rebelnewsplus.com.

00:30:00.220 It's just $8 a month. Or if you sign up for a year, you get two months free plus a free trial.

00:30:05.660 So we're going to send that to Isabel right after because I know she's going to sign up,

00:30:09.180 rebelnewsplus.com. And what are we going to talk about for you guys to go and watch it?

00:30:12.780 We're going to talk about what's inside Isabel's DMs. Is she getting hate speech at her every single day?

00:30:18.220 We're going to find out her message to women at the women's... I'm forgetting the thing here.

00:30:24.540 What's it called? The Young Women's Leadership Summit coming up in June.

00:30:29.500 I should really re-record that segment now. And we're going to talk about the anniversary of

00:30:35.500 Stop the Spread. So all that is coming up behind the paywall. Go to rebelnews.com, you guys.

00:30:41.740 Okay. Now, hopefully, Isabel, I won't fumble my words this time, even though

00:30:45.740 we're in the safety of behind our own paywall. I saw a video of yours for the anniversary of

00:30:50.860 Stop the Spread on Twitter. I thought it was funny, if not sad. So let's show that,

00:30:55.580 and I want to talk a bit more about that. It's March of 2021, and you know what that means.

00:31:01.180 Happy one-year anniversary of 15 days to slow the spread. What began as a call to action for all of

00:31:07.900 us to ensure that we could stay healthy during the early stages of the COVID-19 pandemic has evolved

00:31:13.500 and change into complete political control at all levels of government. As someone educated in the

00:31:20.300 biomedical sciences and public health fields myself, it's been baffling for me to see the

00:31:25.740 constantly changing goalposts of what public health programming is supposed to be achieving today.

00:31:31.740 Everyone has a different rule for how we should emerge from this pandemic and get back to a new

00:31:37.500 normal. That word is important, by the way, new. It's not a return to the way life was before,

00:31:42.940 and it's precisely this reality that politicians want you to understand. We're not going back to

00:31:48.220 normal. We're crafting a new normal. Now, I feel like this is stuff that I've been saying. This is

00:31:53.340 probably why I enjoyed the video so much. What do you think is the real reason for the prolonged

00:31:59.100 lockdowns at this point? Truthfully, this all boils down to political control, and what we've seen in

00:32:05.900 the last year or so has not really been about stopping the spread or slowing the spread of this

00:32:11.980 particular virus but harnessing the fear of individuals to implement leftist policies at

00:32:18.460 every level of government, local government, state government, and the federal government.

00:32:22.700 I personally was studying biomedical sciences policy and advocacy, essentially how the government

00:32:28.380 regulates stuff like pandemics. Last year, as COVID-19 became a pandemic during my master's

00:32:34.460 degree program at Georgetown University, and to hear the changing opinions of my professors,

00:32:39.980 who, by the way, are the top of the top people at the World Health Organization and the CDC here in

00:32:45.580 America, as the changing political narrative was taking place last spring, was so disheartening.

00:32:52.140 In January of 2020, I was reminded that our world has never done mass lockdowns because they don't work

00:32:59.180 and the data is not there to support slowing the spread of any virus by forcing people to be locked

00:33:04.700 in their homes. We were reminded that the average mask people would ordinarily wear,

00:33:09.420 surgical or made out of a t-shirt material or a bandana, will do nothing to stop a particular virus

00:33:15.260 that's only a few microns big, incredibly microscopic, and could pass right through that material,

00:33:20.940 but will trap bacteria close to your face and make you sick with other diseases like

00:33:25.180 bacterial pneumonia. And then all of a sudden, all of those experts started going along with

00:33:30.300 what was politically correct, shutting down debate on what medicine is effective to treat COVID-19.

00:33:36.220 Obviously, we all saw that Facebook has now retracted their comments on hydroxychloroquine and has

00:33:41.580 reinstated all of those posts months later after they completely destroyed people's livelihoods.

00:33:46.780 All of them are now saying you have to triple layer your masks or wear two or three masks all

00:33:51.340 at a time, and that these lockdowns are continuing to be very important, even when we haven't really

00:33:56.860 seen a spike in disease spread when some of these states or other countries around the world are

00:34:01.740 choosing to open up. Science, as I said before, is not really about the pursuit of objective truth

00:34:06.780 anymore. In academia and after we graduate, in the real world, and the truth, there's not a lot of

00:34:12.620 scientists making these calls about continued lockdowns. It's all coming from politicians.

00:34:18.460 I completely agree. I think this is one of the last bastions that people have to be red-pilled on,

00:34:23.340 for lack of a better term. I mean, the medical field, the idea of medical expert has now been

00:34:29.020 blown completely out of the water. It's a shame. We should be able to trust these people. And like you

00:34:34.700 said, it's changing. People just can't help. They have to speak up, Isabel. They have to say what's right.

00:34:40.940 They have to orange man bad, and everything has to be along a partisan line. Now, along what you're

00:34:47.500 saying, do you think that's why we're, it seems like Joe Biden's ignoring that there's a bunch of

00:34:51.580 states open. How many is it now? Over 13. UFC just announced they're going full capacity in Florida,

00:34:58.140 which of course I'm a big fan of. Are we just pretending that Texas, Florida, Arizona,

00:35:04.700 the Dakotas, that they're not open and that everybody else still needs to lock down?

00:35:10.060 I think it's convenient for our politicians at the national level to just turn a blind eye

00:35:14.780 towards what a lot of these states are choosing to do. South Dakota was the only state out of all 50

00:35:20.460 that never shut down, and they never even came close to CDC projections of what it could look like in

00:35:26.540 their hospitals should things take a turn for the worst. When you compare the three largest states,

00:35:31.660 well, the four largest states by population in the United States, Texas, Florida, California,

00:35:36.700 and New York, and you see the dramatically different responses of California and New York

00:35:41.580 versus Texas and Florida, you're seeing much higher death tolls and a faster spread of the virus

00:35:47.820 in California and New York, who have the most extreme regulations possible.

00:35:52.060 In LA, for example, it was illegal for you to walk alone on the sidewalk with a mask on outside at

00:35:57.900 one point. And in New York, things just shut down again a little bit because of the St. Patrick's Day

00:36:03.740 holiday and a fear that people will gather. So you're still forbidden from gathering in groups of

00:36:08.060 more than 10 people in the state of New York. Yet, of course, we saw the nursing home scandal unfold and

00:36:14.060 tens of thousands of people die because of poor management. Meanwhile, in Florida and Texas,

00:36:18.860 there's no mask mandate. You're going back to full capacity for sports events. Businesses and

00:36:23.340 restaurants are encouraged to be open and schools have returned largely to normal.

00:36:27.740 And they have significantly lower death rates and spread of the virus rates compared to New York

00:36:33.020 and California. The data is right in front of us. But of course, the people who want to get us back

00:36:37.660 to normal are the bad guys who don't care about your grandma and grandpa and want everybody to die from

00:36:42.700 COVID-19. Well, Joe Biden says, if you're lucky, you'll be able to barbecue. You know, if you just

00:36:48.220 submit and obey. Submit to the guy in New York who has the nipple rings on TV. I think that's always

00:36:54.620 a good decision to go with. Now, I want to transition. That's a great transition to the Women's Leadership 0.82

00:37:00.380 Summit that you saved me from drawing a blank on. We'll edit that out. Don't worry. What kind of messaging

00:37:05.900 do you think is important to give young women going forward in 2021? What do you think? What are you

00:37:12.380 going to say? Give away your whole speech right now. Well, I haven't written the whole speech right

00:37:17.660 now yet for our June conference. But the Young Women's Leadership Summit with Turning Point USA

00:37:22.780 was my first political event ever when I was a college student. At the time, I had no idea what

00:37:28.140 Turning Point USA was all about. And I really knew very little about what we call the conservative

00:37:33.580 movement that's much more cultural than it is political today. And in 2017, at this very

00:37:38.940 conference, I completely fell head over heels in love with the messaging that's being shared

00:37:43.980 with young women in particular. And I'm hoping to reinstate some of those points this year in 2021

00:37:49.740 as we return to events and conferences and rejoining together in person. I think the most important

00:37:55.740 message that can be shared with high school and college women who are conservative or who maybe are on

00:38:00.780 the fence about being conservative is that you don't need any permission from anyone, the government,

00:38:05.980 your boyfriend, a friend, anyone else in your life to be successful and to build your American dream

00:38:11.740 into whatever you can possibly dream of. All you need is your own grit and determination

00:38:17.180 and diligence to continue getting up and working hard. The left is continuously telling women that

00:38:22.700 they're always disadvantaged, that they make less money in the workplace, which by the way,

00:38:26.540 has been debunked over and over again and is illegal under federal law because of the Equal Pay Act,

00:38:31.980 which was passed and turned into law decades ago in the United States. They're told that it's harder

00:38:36.860 for them to go out and have a night out in town with their friends because they always have to be worried

00:38:41.500 about a nefarious bad guy out there. And a lot of those things are rooted in some truth historically,

00:38:47.420 but really today women can do anything they set their mind to. They're not disadvantaged in society.

00:38:53.020 They're not constantly oppressed by some evil conservative figure. Instead, today it's never

00:38:58.300 been easier and better and more exciting to be a woman in the United States of America or around the

00:39:03.580 world. So I think we really want to share this message of personal empowerment and finding that

00:39:08.540 passion from within yourself to inspire other people rather than waiting on somebody else to do

00:39:13.580 it first and tell you that it's finally allowed to happen or you're finally able to do these things when

00:39:18.620 it's able to be done right now, right in front of your eyes. I will say one more thing very quickly,

00:39:23.500 and that's that I was doing a radio interview just after the election results were finalized when Joe Biden

00:39:29.420 became the next president of the United States and Kamala Harris became our vice president. And I heard a

00:39:33.980 conservative woman who worked for the Bush administration say on radio here in the United States that it's impossible to be 1.00

00:39:41.180 something you can't see in the United States. So Kamala Harris becoming our first female vice president all of a sudden 1.00

00:39:48.540 makes it possible for other women to become vice president or president of the United States in the future because 1.00

00:39:54.300 somebody else finally did it first. What a degrading message to women to assume that somebody else has to be 0.98

00:40:00.940 successful before you that you have to wait for permission in history to accomplish anything you can set your mind to as

00:40:07.980 conservatives true conservatives. We believe that anyone can do anything they set their mind to here in the United States

00:40:13.820 regardless of what your identity is. Yeah, and she's the first black. She's the first Indian. She's the first a lot of things

00:40:21.420 no matter what it is. And I disagree with that argument as well. The just because some somebody has to look like me in order for me to

00:40:28.460 aspire to that. I didn't grow up thinking that way. I didn't grow up watching basketball thinking that Vince, if only Vince Carter was white, that might be too, too old of a

00:40:37.900 reference for you. If only Will Smith was white. I never thought these things. Hopefully somebody doesn't clip that. But I do want to

00:40:43.660 write down hire Isabel to speak to my nieces. Because I think you're very, I think those are great things to say. Now, do you think

00:40:50.220 that five years ago, let's say pre Trump, your message would have been different? Do you think now it's more of a victim

00:40:57.420 stance we have to battle back from? Or do you think it would largely be the same? I think it would be exactly the same

00:41:03.520 message. People have always said that women are somehow disadvantaged in society from when I was

00:41:08.880 a young girl, all the way to now when I'm 23 years old. And it was very different, at least in my family

00:41:14.880 unit when I was growing up than what this narrative was saying. I grew up with my mother being the primary

00:41:20.160 breadwinner in our house commuting to a different state for her job for seven years. My dad stayed home

00:41:25.360 for a few years to be a stay at home dad, we called him the manny. And he got to be a movie, I believe.

00:41:30.960 Exactly. He took us to ballet lessons and gymnastics meets, and he got to be our room

00:41:37.120 parent in our classroom. And I never was told by my mother by my father or any other adult in my life

00:41:43.200 that that was somehow not normal. Instead, it was just the way things were in our family. And my mom

00:41:48.240 could accomplish anything that any of her male counterparts could in the workplace, if only she

00:41:52.880 was willing to work hard enough. That's always been reality for me. And that message has stayed the same

00:41:57.840 ever since I could talk and what I learned about all of this stuff looking like as a young child,

00:42:02.800 and today obviously as an adult. Who knew that Mrs. Doubtfire was based off your life? That's

00:42:07.680 something that we're gonna have to add to your IMDB. Do you have an IMDB? I wouldn't think that you do.

00:42:13.360 So we're gonna end on something more fun, or maybe it's traumatic for you. What your inbox looks like.

00:42:19.680 Do you get tips? All I get is news links. Have you seen this, Andrew? It's Alex Jones messaging me.

00:42:25.120 Have you seen this, Andrew? Have you seen this patriotic link? I get mostly news links. What do

00:42:29.760 you get in your inbox from fans, let's say, not just Will Witt's messages?

00:42:35.680 It's a whole hodgepodge of information in my DMs all the time. But I do always encourage people who

00:42:41.600 follow me, if they're ever looking for advice or have a specific question, to DM me. So most of my

00:42:46.560 messages do look like that. I'm very responsive on Instagram. And I just love connecting with people

00:42:51.520 one-on-one as much as possible, especially now when that's sort of prevented in person still

00:42:56.800 a year later after that became our new reality. So as much as I can connect with you guys digitally,

00:43:01.920 I love to. Obviously, I get a lot of hate mail as well. I'm choosing to do this professionally,

00:43:06.880 and that kind of comes with the territory. But I always love to tell people I typically take that

00:43:11.360 as a sign that I'm doing something right. Because as a Christian, I've been told over and over in my

00:43:16.560 faith from the words of Jesus Christ himself that I'm going to be hated in this world if I tell the

00:43:22.480 truth. That's really what my job is all about every day. It's not just sharing conservative

00:43:26.720 messaging or trying to influence the way people vote. I'm trying to stay objective truth in a

00:43:31.520 world that has completely rejected the idea that objective truth even exists, because my truth is

00:43:37.280 different from your truth. So when I get such hateful messages, I know that I'm trying to make this

00:43:42.720 world a little bit more like the next. I'm not trying to fit into the changing reality every

00:43:46.880 day that we see in this world. For sure. And I think especially right now, it's very important

00:43:51.920 for high schoolers and people in college, since it's become more like a high school environment in

00:43:57.040 college, that they have somebody who is confident and knows what they're talking about that they can

00:44:01.360 message and actually get a response to. I mean, you don't respond to my outfit messages where I show you

00:44:07.120 my outfit of the day, but that's fine. No, I'm just kidding. Those don't exist. Or do they?

00:44:10.640 Okay. But thank you. I really think it's important to have a person that they can turn to in these

00:44:17.040 times. So isabel-brown.com. You can get her book there. You can find her on Instagram, which is

00:44:23.200 TheRealIsabelBrown. And of course, Turning Point USA. Are you still working with PragerU? Are we still

00:44:28.640 going to see you on those videos? I do occasionally do some work with PragerU, so I'm never too far away

00:44:34.240 from the office there in Los Angeles. Okay, lots of cameos there. Anything else you want to end on,

00:44:38.880 Isabel? I'll leave the floor to you. You know, I just want to encourage people from around the

00:44:43.680 world that conservatism is needed everywhere, not just in the United States. And obviously,

00:44:48.480 most of the work that I do is here domestically for me in the US. But conservative ideas are

00:44:54.080 resurging all over the world, in Canada, in the UK, and all across Europe, in Australia,

00:45:00.000 in South Africa. And I get messages from people from countries everywhere that I would least expect

00:45:05.520 some of these conservative ideas to be reaching people through social media or through work and

00:45:09.920 education. But we need loud conservative fighters everywhere. So embrace just five seconds of

00:45:15.440 courage at a time. Raise your hand in class and tell your teacher or professor that they're wrong.

00:45:19.760 If they are, post something to your social media. Have these conversations about politics and religion

00:45:24.960 with your family or your friends around the dinner table. That's how we create a cultural revolution

00:45:30.320 all over the world when it comes to being proud of where we're from, embracing patriotism,

00:45:35.200 believing in ourselves as individuals, and ultimately saying that big government sucks.

00:45:41.280 That's a great note to end on. But I did want to ask you, it just popped into my mind,

00:45:45.200 do you, is there any work towards your, the videos that you're making actually being implemented

00:45:50.880 in schools or anything like that? Because I've seen articles about people trying to stop that from

00:45:55.680 happen. I just want to know, because I think those freedom seat things would be good in like a high

00:46:00.640 school class. Is there any working towards that? We have not yet embarked on that adventure. We're

00:46:06.160 only a few months into getting these videos out there, but they are working very well. So I'm sure

00:46:10.880 that is part of our rollout plan for the next few months. Okay. Thanks a lot, Isabel. Once again,

00:46:15.600 follow her on Instagram, Twitter, isabelbrown.com, you guys. Awesome. Thank you. Thank you.

00:46:25.680 Bye-bye.

Rebel News Podcast - March 26, 2021

Isabel Brown： Conservatives Are The Counterculture

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