It's sad that GM's factory in Oshawa is closing — but why did their union work to block Alberta pipelines？
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General Motors is closing a factory in Ontario, Canada, laying off up to 2,800 workers. It's a tough blow for the families in the town of Oshawa, but it's not the first time GM has laid off workers in Canada.
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Tonight, I feel bad about the GM factory in Ontario closing, but why did their union go to court to block Alberta oil sands pipelines?
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It's November 27, and this is the Ezra Levant Show.
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Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?
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There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.
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You come here once a year with a sign, and you feel morally superior.
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The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my bloody right to do so.
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We've all heard the news about General Motors and their plan to shut down its Oshawa, Ontario factory next year, laying off up to 2,800 people.
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That's a tough blow. Although it's simply the latest, there used to be 40,000 people building cars in Oshawa.
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But as the president of Magna, the auto parts company, put it this spring, it just doesn't make sense to build cars in Canada.
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Canada's the highest cost location in North America to build cars.
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Add in Justin Trudeau's looming carbon tax and Donald Trump's tax cuts.
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But don't bother Justin Trudeau with any of that boring, real-world stuff.
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There's going to be some great photo ops down there.
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This week, I'll travel to Argentina for the 2018 G20 Summit to work with leaders from around the world to keep building stronger economies that work for everyone.
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Fight climate change, promote gender equality, and discuss the future of work.
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Got it. So our boy is still prattling on about global warming and gender equality while GM is shutting down factories.
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Haven't they heard of Trudeau's inspirational speech about the future of work?
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Back in real life, 12 months into the future, 2,800 families in Oshawa will be looking for work.
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It's tough. I'm obviously sympathetic to these 2,800 families, and I'm obviously skeptical of GM like Bombardier.
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They were happy to take massive cash bailouts from Canadian taxpayers and then shut down factories here to move to cheaper jurisdictions.
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I do blame Justin Trudeau and Kathleen Wynne for making Canada so uncompetitive in the first place.
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I suppose maybe you can't blame someone for taking billions of dollars of free money and running if it's technically legal.
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But you have to admit it's gross, like Bombardier is gross.
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Now, Donald Trump wasn't happy because although 2,800 Canadians are being laid off, about 3,300 Americans will be laid off too,
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including in Ohio, a battleground state where they make a compact car called the Chevy Cruze.
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I should point out that GM is shutting down that tiny car, and they're completely shutting down the Chevy Volt, GM's electric car.
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Now, there's a lot of BS when it comes to tiny cars, fuel-efficient cars, electric cars.
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Everybody knows they're supposed to like them, supposed to say they like them, but no one does.
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At GM's Hamtramck plant in Detroit, where I got to get inside a brand-new Chevy Volt, fresh off the line,
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even though Secret Service wouldn't let me drive it.
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And five years from now, when I'm not president anymore, I'll buy one and drive it myself.
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No one did, other than a few public sector showboats, like Barack Obama himself was there.
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They're almost always spending government money on them.
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Donald Trump has never been a big booster of green schemes.
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He's always mocked the global warming lobbyists, calling it a scam on Twitter.
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And here's what he said yesterday about that Chevy Cruze factory closing.
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I believe they'll be opening up something else.
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I spoke with her when I heard they were closing.
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And I said, you know, this country's done a lot for General Motors.
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I say, well, then get somebody to get a car that is selling well and put it back in.
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So I think you're going to see something else happen there.
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I have no doubt that in a not too distant future, they'll put something else.
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Now, who knows what that will translate into in real life.
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But if I were the CEO of General Motors, I'd be more concerned about that comment by Donald
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Trump than this comment by Jerry Diaz, the president of the auto workers union here in
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And according to this report, he said he will, quote, use every tool possible to show
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I mean, the fact is GM's factories have about a million cars a year in excess capacity.
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They're going to shut down the least profitable factories.
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And as we showed you yesterday, that means the Canadian ones.
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Here's a former CEO of Chrysler saying he wouldn't be surprised if other car makers shut
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down their most costly plants in Canada, too, including in Brampton.
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It sounds like you're saying that how we got here was through a lack of leadership and a
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lack of vision, either on the part of the unions or on the part of the government.
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And the government does not and never wanted to support the industry.
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You know, what's the government going to do there?
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I don't know what they're doing at Chrysler because I have been away for nine years now.
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But the bottom line is, what are they going to do for these people?
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Instead of worrying about what Mexico's pay rates are, why doesn't Canada focus on and
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And of course, Chrysler took a huge bailout 10 years ago, too.
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Frankly, I think what's going to happen is there's going to be some negotiation now.
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GM and Chrysler will see what concessions they can get over the next year.
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To maybe get their expensive plants to become affordable?
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That's either concessions from the unions or concessions from the governments involved.
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I wouldn't doubt that Justin Trudeau would throw a few billion dollars to keep him going.
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And again, can you blame a for-profit company like GM or Chrysler from taking free money?
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It's like a hockey team getting a free stadium.
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It's immoral, sure, but you'd be dumb not to take the free cash.
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It's hard to get to the heart of things here, don't you think?
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It's hard even to get the accurate reports because the Trudeau slush fund media,
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the ones who are about to pocket their own bailout of $595 million in free money,
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In the same newspaper, the Toronto Star, on the same day.
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So look at the one where they're talking about Trudeau.
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So Ottawa is looking at all options as GM closes Oshawa plant.
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So it's framed with Trudeau as the helpful save here.
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GM shows Doug Ford's Ontario isn't so open for business.
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Yeah, Doug Ford is clearly driving out the factory.
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But I want to add one more layer to things today.
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I would agree with Jerry Diaz that the big three automakers are amoral.
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And I agree that politicians are to blame for tax policy and other high costs.
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But let's talk about something that no one has really delved into yet.
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And that is Jerry Diaz and Unifor the union itself.
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I'm going to separate it, the union and their bosses from the 2,800 families who are soon out of work.
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I want to talk about the union leadership itself.
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Obviously, he'll take handouts of Trudeau, I'll give them.
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It's just a fact that Canadian factories are more expensive than American or Mexican factories.
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And Trump and Trudeau are both making that gap bigger.
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And Jerry Diaz had a seat at the table in the NAFTA renegotiations and I don't think he helped much.
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But could you imagine if that factory in Oshawa and that Chrysler factory we heard about in Brampton
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had been the target of a 10-year propaganda campaign to shut them down with foreign money?
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10 years of demonizing these factories, of pointing out their carbon footprint, how much pollution they cause.
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10 years of publicizing every error or accident or misstep, anything going wrong at the factory,
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every time there was a car accident on the street.
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And if it was a GM brand of vehicle made in Oshawa, I know it sounds crazy,
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but imagine if someone were paid by a foreign lobby group to do nothing but track car accidents in Canada.
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And whenever a car from that Oshawa factory had an accident, and I know this sounds crazy,
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imagine if there were a press release attacking that GM factory in Oshawa.
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Never GM factories in other countries, never, let's say Toyota, let's say it was a Toyota-financed propaganda effort
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Imagine if there were protests outside the Oshawa plant, paid protesters.
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Imagine if there were lawsuits against that factory, alleging pollution, or, I don't know,
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even suing that anyone who would still build a fossil fuel car in 2018 was killing our planet, whatever.
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I know that's unthinkable, I know that's too crazy, but of course that is exactly what has been done to Alberta's oil industry for a decade or more.
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Defamation, smearing, protests, lawsuits, lies, hugely funded, well-organized.
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Imagine the rage and the sorrow and the feeling of betrayal of those 2,800 families in Oshawa
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if it were in part because of a well-financed 10-year smear campaign.
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We'll now multiply that rage by 40 because there are at least 100,000 oil and gas families still unemployed in Alberta.
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The Trans Mountain Pipeline alone would have employed triple the number of families laid off in Oshawa.
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The Energy East Pipeline, as you know, the construction alone was a $15.7 billion jobs project.
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There was jubilation and celebration from the far left, the eco-left, and quiet smirks from the liberals.
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Here's Gerald Butts condemning the fossil fuel economy for pipelines.
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Imagine if such a man were to have said this exact same thing,
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but instead about pipelines, about car factories.
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Truth be told, we don't think there ought to be a carbon-based energy industry by the middle of this century.
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That's our policy in Canada, and it's our policy all over the world.
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You can choose to fight this fight on locking us into a high-carbon economy for five decades.
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And I think that's a very reasonable perspective to take.
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So we don't think that, we think that the oil sands have been expanded too rapidly
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without a serious plan for environmental remediation in the first place.
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So that's why we don't think it's up to us to decide whether there should be another route for a pipeline.
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Because the real alternative is not an alternative route.
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So why is that okay when it's against oil and gas and pipeline families, but not auto families?
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Here's a press release two years ago by Unifor itself.
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Unifor is disappointed with the National Energy Board's short-sighted decision to support the Trans Mountain Expansion Project,
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one that poses risks for the economy, Canadian jobs, and food security.
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The Kinder Morgan Expansion Project is all risk and no gain for the public or our environment,
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Despite applying conditions for approval, in the absence of any realistic and forceful regulations,
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the NEB failed to consider the very serious risks a project of this magnitude has for residents and our economy.
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Oh, so even though it was approved as safe by experts, by neutral exports, by Trudeau's experts,
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And here's Unifor now actually going to court to stop the Northern Gateway pipeline.
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Let me show you another press release they put out a couple years back.
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The process was rigged from the start and they ignored important testimony from Canadians,
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If Stephen Harper refuses to protect our coast, we have no choice but to fight them in court.
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Unifor went to court to stop a jobs project in Western Canada.
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Here's Unifor on the Keystone XL pipeline. Ready?
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Canadians don't benefit from pipelines that ship unrefined oil to other countries.
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Plain and simple, said Unifor National President Jerry Diaz told the Union's BC Regional Council in Vancouver.
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Keystone XL, Northern Gateway, and the new Kinder Morgan pipeline all have one thing in common.
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They steal Canada's natural resort wealth and leave us with nothing to show for it.
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Unifor is calling on the federal government to enforce greenhouse gas emission targets
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by limiting the future expansion of bitumen production.
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When was the last time there was a carbon emissions analysis of an auto factory?
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When was the last time you had union bosses from Alberta flying out to Ontario
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to campaign against car factories or even sue them?
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When was the last time you had extremists in cabinet call for a gender analysis of a car factory
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like that clown Catherine McKenna does for pipelines?
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It's a sign of how broken Canada is that not just union bosses,
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but the media and the courts and political leaders and civil society, including charities,
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take it for granted that it's okay to attack oil and gas jobs
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and to campaign and sue and protest oil and gas jobs into submission,
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but God forbid a car company wants to move away from Trudeau's uncompetitive tax regime.
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Well, it's a national crisis, and Trudeau had better come in with a bailout.
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I truly am sympathetic to those 2,800 families.
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But I'm 40 times more sympathetic to the 100,000 oil and gas families
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who were attacked by Trudeau and Butts and McKenna and Morneau.
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Oh, yeah, and Jerry Diaz and his dues-paying Unifor union members.
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Yeah, I'll get around to laying a wreath for those dead jobs in Oshawa
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once I'm done going through the other 100,000 dead jobs.
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As the Unifor itself helped cause, without a peep of protest, I should add,
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from those 2,800 union members whose dues were weaponized against the oil and gas industry.
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Well, one of the quirky things about the Nazi regime in Germany some 70, 80 years ago
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was that although they were quite murderous, they were against smoking.
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Hitler in particular, in fact, so much so that for years after the Second World War,
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Germans associated bans on smoking with Nazism.
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And so they were one of the last countries in Europe to bring in social justice laws against smoking.
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Hitler himself was a vegetarian extremist, an animal rights activist, anti-vivisectionist.
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He held himself to morally exquisite levels on that
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while he masterminded the murder of tens of millions.
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Well, I'm interested in a new book that follows on this subject.
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It's a book written by a rebel viewer from Grand Prairie.
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It's called The Green Swastika, Environmentalism in the Third Reich.
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And it's written by William Kay, who joins us now via Skype.
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You're the editor of the website Environmentalism is Fascism.
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I think it would surprise a lot of people that the Nazis were environmentalists.
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I mean, people think of the Nazis as destroyers.
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Well, first point, it certainly would not surprise academics.
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I have condensed over 24 books on my website, published by Princeton, published by Oxford,
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There's a few books even by the German government that were put out a few years ago to sort of
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But of course, they managed to give even more incriminating information by doing it.
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So whereas the public at large might not be aware of it, this is not really that debatable
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within the academic and within the historical community that much.
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Environmentalists dread this information getting out, and they've gone to great lengths to sort
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But this is not really even that controversial.
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The question was, why the Nazis were green?
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Well, the key to understanding environmentalism, the key to understanding fascism is to understanding
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And the core of the European fascist movement were the aristocrats.
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And what they dreaded more than anything else was a free market in land, like capitalism in
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land, where land would be just any other commodity circulating.
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These were people that wanted to cartelize land.
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They were corporatists in general and in land in particular.
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And so they were the force behind land conservationism.
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And they were definitely the nucleus of the fascist movement.
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We should really view fascism of that era as aristocratic restoration.
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They were trying to regain the powers that they had lost after World War I and return to
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a far less than democratic system, where these sort of old land barons dominated the political
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It's a violent opposition to free market in land.
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And it's also an effort by the old land barons to regain political control.
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I was certain you were going to say two other things.
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I should say I haven't had the chance to read your book yet.
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But the more we talk, I'm getting more interested by the minute.
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I would have thought you would have said, well, Hitler had a hostility towards Christianity,
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But he had sort of a paganism, an echo from a pre-Christian era.
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I thought you were going to say that perhaps he would rediscover that paganism through the
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And I thought at core, well, Hitler was about control and authoritarianism.
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And if you control the environment, you control the means of production.
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But you're saying it was, I suppose you're saying something similar when you're saying it
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It was, there's a dynamic tension between the land barons and the entrepreneurs.
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That was the driving force behind the American Revolution, behind the French Revolution.
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But picking up on what you're saying about the religion of nature, officially, the Third
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They got what referred to as positive Christianity.
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There were a lot of Lutheran ministers that supported them.
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They had very difficult relations with the Catholic Church.
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But nevertheless, they got a lot of support from that as well.
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But the Nazi elite, the vanguard, you are correct.
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And they wanted to replace Christianity with a religion of nature.
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But this was more of a cultural epiphenomenal thing.
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There is an encyclopedia called the Encyclopedia of the Religion of Nature.
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And it came together by a bunch of academics who, for other reasons, realized that there
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was a really strong connection between fascism, Nazism, and this nature worshiping.
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And I found over 400 paragraphs and entire entries that deal with the topic of the overlap between
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Nazism and environmentalism and Nazism and fascism and this religion of nature.
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And that's one thing you'll find when you actually read a lot of the original fascist and original
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It's just full of this mother nature, mother earth, nature in capital and stuff.
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There were certain elements within the Nazi government who were really talking about,
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you know, replacing Christianity in Germany with a full-blown sort of paganistic, pantheistic
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And a lot of the other ministers, cabinet ministers, said, no, this is no time to be sort
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But yeah, there was this strong element of that.
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And if you read their literature of the sort of the Nazi vanguard, like Himmler and Rosenberg
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and that, you'd think you're reading a Greenpeace track, you know.
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He's the author of The Green Swastika, Environmentalism in the Third Reich.
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William, I'm still processing what you said about the aristocracy and land.
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Because in my mind, environmentalism and Marxism are the closest cousins.
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I don't know if it's a coincidence, but Earth Day, for example, just happens to be Lenin's
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And there's so many, you know, we've heard the phrase watermelon, green on the outside,
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It's the catch-all excuse for nationalizing things.
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I thought that, you know, the Marxists would have been the environmentalists.
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I suppose in his own way, I mean, Hitler was a national socialist.
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Can you compare the Nazi environmentalism with Marxism or Leninism?
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In every fascist regime, the first thing they did was annihilate the far left.
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It's difficult for people who have come through the Cold War.
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They tend to view any effort towards some sort of highly statist authoritarian system
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Now, at the core of the Nazi party, you would find some of the wealthiest of the Germans.
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And you'll see this again with the environmental movement.
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If you look at the boards of directors of the main funding agencies and what have you,
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these aren't the, you know, the working class rising up.
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These are elite groups that would be militantly opposed to any sort of sweeping expropriation
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People are trapped in a binary of a sort of right-left.
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There is multiple political ideologies out there.
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It represents a section of very wealthy people, certainly not all of them, that want to see
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a highly centralized, highly regulated form of government.
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But they are actually militantly, violently opposed to the left.
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You know, time and again, when you have a fascist regime come into power, first thing they do
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The first concentration camp in Germany, Dachau, was for the left.
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They had, you know, 15,000, 20,000 people in prison within months, and those were all people
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No, there's multiple political tendencies out there.
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There's a very common mistake these days to confuse the radical left with the environmental
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To make it even more confusing, a lot of fascist groups historically have masqueraded as leftist
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organizations, and they have a certain amount of leftist verbiage in their titles and names
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But these are quite distinct political traditions.
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You know, you're making me think of some Soviet propaganda.
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There was always the factory and get production up.
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I mean, one thing I say to the modern left is at least the communists believed in the means
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They just wanted the factories owned by the state.
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I suppose today's far left, they don't want the factories at all.
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They want to shut down the coal-fired power plant.
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I see so many of the funders of the extreme environmental movements, and they are the Rockefeller
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Brothers Fund, you know, perhaps the wealthiest family in history.
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And so many of these ultra-rich heirs, not the first generation entrepreneurs who, like the
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Carnegie's and whatnot, but two, three, four generations down, yeah, they are extremists.
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If you look at most of the environmentalist money coming into Canada, it's not moms and
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It's foreign foundations chipping in six, seven, even eight figures.
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And that is one of the features that it shares with fascism.
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There's this myth that fascism was this plebeian uprising.
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There is a priceless book called The Reich and the Royals, and it was published by Oxford
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in 2005, and it concludes with a list of all of the German princes who were members of the
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And that information was not revealed until 2005.
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And the list of princes who were members of the Nazi party was 290.
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And the author of that book was a detective with these groups that are still looking for
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A third of all the artwork in France was stolen during World War II.
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And some of the detectives involved in investigating that ultimately got access to some of the databases
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And yeah, sure enough, the German aristocracy were almost to a person active members of fascist
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And if you look at who was the center of the social nucleus of the German conservationist movement,
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the nature protection movement, it's the same list of people.
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Now, your book's 185 pages long, 400 footnotes.
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Would you call it a scholarly work or is it more a work for interested lay people?
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You've referred to a lot of studies and a lot of research.
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Well, I believe in exposing and opposing environmentalism.
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The biggest political problem we have in Canada, in North America, and in many other places
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in the world is the suppression of economic activity by the environmental movement.
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And one of the mechanisms by which they curry favor amongst the masses is a sort of masquerading
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as somehow a voice of the people, what have you.
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No, this is a very elite groups of people that have no interest in seeing the hinterland develop
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And, you know, we would be really experiencing a tremendous economic boom in prosperity in
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North America, but for the activities of the international environmental movement.
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These are people who seriously do not care about the general prosperity, the general well-being
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Let me ask you one last question about that and to move away from your book, which is historical,
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to talk about the world today, I think Donald Trump smashed a lot of the illusion of unanimity
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on global warming, carbon taxes, the United Nations, globalism.
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I think he's being undermined in terms of the bureaucracy of the United States, but he's at
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least made it acceptable to challenge rhetorically what was going on.
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And I think on the ground, he's, you know, he's roaring back with a fossil fuel-based economy.
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Is the environmental movement around the world in retreat, whether it's China or the removal
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of the massive solar and wind subsidies in Europe?
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It seems to me that the only place that this carbon tax global warming mania still takes
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hold is in the academy or the UN or, I suppose, Justin Trudeau's cabinet.
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It seems to me like that the rest of the world doesn't actually live that creed.
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A lot of the, you know, countries like India and China, they bought into it.
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They paid lip service to it because they knew that they would not have to actually do anything.
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The global warming campaign is centered around Europe.
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It is centered around Germany and France and Sweden and Denmark and countries that do not
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And they are determined to transition the entire world away from fossil fuels and to be on the
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ground floor of the wind, solar, electric car industries for this new future world.
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You know, I've never was so happy in my life regarding a political event as when he was
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And I'm someone who came out of, you know, decades ago of being in the very far left.
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No greater slander out there than to accuse Trump and the Brexiteers and the populist movement
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We were well on our way down the road towards a uniparty system, which is basically a one
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party state with a media party, as you call it, which was basically turning into a ministry
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And we were way down the road towards that being really locked down.
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The populist movement, the Trumpeteers, the Brexiteers, this is an anti-fascist movement.
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And I think that is a message that has to get out there.
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And a lot of them, because they were politically socialized during the Cold War, they tend to
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formulate what they're doing as though they're fighting against the left.
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You know, the Rideau Club, the Laurier Club, what have you, these are not leftists at all.
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These are authoritarians who want to just sort of lock down this existing system and exclude
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William Kay is the author of The Green Swastika, Environmentalism in the Third Reich.
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I'm familiar with William's work and his meticulously documented website, Environmentalism
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is Fascism, which is fascinating reading for those who are interested in the subject.
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And I should have done that before our interview today.
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I just didn't have time to read it, but I wanted to get you on.
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It's like you gave me a primer to get going on the book, because I am interested in the
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subject, and I'm interested in environmental extremism, and I am curious, as I think so
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many are, about how things went so wrong in Europe 70, 80 years ago.
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Well, we'll put a link to the Amazon page for The Green Swastika underneath this video
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if you're interested in following up with the book as well.
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On my monologue and interview yesterday about General Motors closing its Oshawa plant,
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At least now Jerry Diaz has some real work to do, trying to salvage his union members'
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jobs instead of focusing on being the political resistance to conservatives.
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Yeah, it'll be interesting to see if he can wring more money out of Justin Trudeau.
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He'll get his journalists in the journalism side of his union to campaign for Trudeau.
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I mean, he just got a $595 million slush fund, so he's going to have to work extra hard for,
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I don't know, an extra billion for that plant, but he'll work at it.
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And I'm sure Trudeau will say yes, why wouldn't he?
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I don't understand where you're coming from from that.
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But I think that's, I think we just need more independent journalists of the left and the
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right persuasion, I suppose, independent, neutral.
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You can't be an independent journalist if you're cashing a check from Trudeau, though.
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I mean, whatever you say about Fox, they're not on the Trump payroll.
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They may seem like it because they support Trump, but they're not actually cashing a check
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Every CBC journalist cashed a check from Trudeau, and now $595 million worth of private journalism
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In the 70s, I was both a member of the UAW and the CAW.
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We had some great leadership with Bob White and then Buzz Hargrove.
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I was greatly distraught when CAW came under the umbrella of Unifor.
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The moniker Unifor does not inspire much confidence in the auto sector, neither does the current
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Well, look, I just don't know enough about internal union politics.
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I know that there was a compilation of the communications and electrical workers and the
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auto workers, and it was sort of a big amalgam.
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So I don't know which tribe Jerry Diaz comes from.
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There's a certain point where the size of your caucus, let's say, the size of your coalition,
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means if you're fighting for one, you're fighting against the other.
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I mean, that whole anti-oil sands crusade that Jerry Diaz has been on,
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there are Unifor workers in Fort McMurray in the oil patch.
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And frankly, how could auto workers support an anti-fossil fuel campaign?
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Even if it was in the near term, aimed only at those Westerners in the oil patch,
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surely the dues-paying Unifor members in Oshawa would know that if you build up hatred for oil
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and gas, it'll eventually seep into machines that use oil and gas, like cars.
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But of course, we'll have 2,800 people with a lot of time on their hands to think about that for a while.
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Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, good night.