Rebel News Podcast - It’s the anniversary of the Tiananmen Square massacre. And China is worse than ever.

00:00:00.000 Hello, my Rebels. It's June 4th, which is the anniversary of the Tiananmen Square Massacre.

00:00:04.620 I think things are worse in China than they were back then politically.

00:00:08.480 I think things are worse globally in terms of diplomacy and China's place in the world.

00:00:15.020 I'll take you through the evolution of that.

00:00:17.540 You know, China had the Olympics in 2008.

00:00:19.760 You know they're going to have them again next year.

00:00:21.820 I think that's a symbol of where they are.

00:00:23.520 They're on the ascent.

00:00:25.600 I'll take you through it.

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00:00:42.540 Okay, here's today's show.

00:00:56.400 Tonight, it's the anniversary of the Tiananmen Square Massacre, and China is worse than ever. 1.00

00:01:04.380 It's June 4th, and this is the Ezra Levant Show.

00:01:09.120 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:12.620 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:01:16.960 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my bloody right to do so.

00:01:26.400 On this day in 1989, Chinese tanks and soldiers under the direct command of the communist dictatorship

00:01:33.740 attacked thousands of pro-democracy students who had gathered in Tiananmen Square in the heart of Beijing.

00:01:40.180 Tiananmen means heavenly, peaceful gate, but of course it was just another communist slaughterhouse that day. 0.92

00:01:46.620 According to the British Embassy, at least 10,000 people were murdered that day.

00:01:52.120 This man was the symbol that day for many, at least to the West.

00:01:57.660 A brave young man literally standing in front of a column of tanks and staring them down.

00:02:01.900 What an inspiration.

00:02:04.200 Except, of course, it didn't work.

00:02:06.400 Maybe it worked for a moment, we caught on tape, but the thing about passive resistance

00:02:11.020 that Gandhi used to such powerful effect against the British Empire in India

00:02:16.080 is that it only works against an enemy whose values you're appealing to, an enemy that's pretty gentle.

00:02:23.740 So in the case of the British Empire, values like fair play, the rule of law, limited government,

00:02:28.920 civil society, non-partisan, police and the military, and of course the free media to document it all,

00:02:35.800 that's the only way Gandhi could have won.

00:02:37.540 Even Hitler or Stalin would have just shot anyone trying Gandhi's tactics and no one would have even seen it.

00:02:44.960 No media would have covered it. 0.70

00:02:46.000 If they did, they'd be shot too.

00:02:48.240 So that young man in Tiananmen Square surely died.

00:02:52.840 It was a brave moment, but just a moment.

00:02:56.740 And after some huffing and puffing, well, the world moved on.

00:03:00.020 After all, China was opening up its economy and there was plenty, well, plenty of people

00:03:05.680 who wanted to make a buck or two billion, including Canada's own Jean Chrétien.

00:03:10.200 He was prime minister from 1993 to 2003.

00:03:14.100 He loved China.

00:03:15.240 He led Team Canada trade missions to China.

00:03:18.260 His family are huge investors in China.

00:03:20.920 His son-in-law is a senior executive of a power corporation, a massive Chinese company.

00:03:26.980 Weeks after he finished being prime minister, he went to work for China in China.

00:03:31.000 I'm talking about Jean Chrétien.

00:03:33.300 That was the way.

00:03:35.080 Just too much money.

00:03:36.840 And by the time the 2008 Olympics rolled around, China was ready to once and for all whitewash itself. 0.93

00:03:42.300 I mean, wasn't it proof that it was fully welcome in the family of nations?

00:03:48.040 There were boycotts of the Nazi Olympics in Berlin in 1936.

00:03:52.740 There were boycotts of the Soviet Olympics in Moscow in 1980.

00:03:55.620 But everyone was there for China's debut, weren't they?

00:03:59.640 Qian and what? 0.93

00:04:01.900 Well, China learned a thing or two.

00:04:04.400 I mean, ask John Cena, the wrestler and actor who dared to say Taiwan was a country.

00:04:09.840 Oh my God.

00:04:10.720 Listen to this blubbering apology.

00:04:12.580 Hello, China.

00:04:15.020 This is Jiao Xina.

00:04:17.040 I must say now, in Sudduyu Gijin Joe, I have a lot of interviews.

00:04:24.160 A lot, a lot, a lot.

00:04:25.860 So in one interview, I have a mistake.

00:04:31.820 I have a mistake.

00:04:32.820 I have a mistake.

00:04:33.820 I have a mistake.

00:04:34.820 I must say now, it's very, very, very, very important.

00:04:38.820 I love China and China.

00:04:40.820 I have a mistake.

00:04:41.820 It's very important.

00:04:42.820 I love China and China.

00:04:44.820 I have a mistake.

00:04:45.820 I have a mistake.

00:04:46.820 I have a mistake.

00:04:47.820 I must say now, it's very, very, very, very important.

00:04:51.820 You must say now, it's very, very, very, very important.

00:04:56.820 I love China and China.

00:05:01.820 I'm very, very sorry for my mistakes.

00:05:06.820 Sorry.

00:05:07.820 Sorry.

00:05:08.820 I'm very sorry.

00:05:09.820 You must understand.

00:05:12.820 I love China and China.

00:05:18.820 I'm sorry.

00:05:19.820 Bye.

00:05:20.820 That's pure fear.

00:05:23.820 Fear of losing big endorsement deals and big money and big box office hits in China.

00:05:28.820 The biggest NBA basketball stars, they smear America as a racist jail every day.

00:05:34.820 But boy, they bend the knee to China. 0.97

00:05:37.820 Even as China sets up concentration camp style compounds for their Uyghur Muslim minority in Xinjiang province.

00:05:45.820 There's no doubt about that.

00:05:47.820 It's not just a rumor or a myth.

00:05:50.820 It's ethnic cleansing of Muslims on a massive scale.

00:05:54.820 But no one cares. 0.92

00:05:55.820 The opposite.

00:05:56.820 Disney filmed part of their big movie, Mulan, literally in Xinjiang province, near those concentration camps, work camps.

00:06:06.820 And they actually gave a thank you to the Xinjiang secret police in their movie credits.

00:06:13.820 Nike and Coca-Cola, very woke companies.

00:06:16.820 They actually lobbied against a U.S. bill that would address the Uyghur genocide and crackdown on doing commerce in Xinjiang.

00:06:23.820 Nike and Coca-Cola just love money too much.

00:06:26.820 You didn't believe their ads, did you?

00:06:29.820 That's where we are today.

00:06:31.820 And literally today on the anniversary of Tiananmen Square, look at this.

00:06:35.820 In English, from one of China's propaganda websites, this one's called Global Times, published on Twitter, which is banned in China, by the way.

00:06:44.820 Here's a tweet from Global Times.

00:06:47.820 Tiananmen Square embodies Chinese people's confidence in China's politics.

00:06:52.820 The Chinese public's understanding of the June 4th incident has fundamentally changed.

00:06:57.820 We laugh at those posturing commemorative activities orchestrated by outside forces.

00:07:04.820 They're laughing.

00:07:05.820 They just said they're laughing.

00:07:07.820 Now, they've always laughed, but just in private until recently.

00:07:11.820 In public, maybe they were ashamed or at least pretended to be, but now they know they don't have to pretend.

00:07:17.820 If they can get John Cena to blubber like that and Nike, the brand of Black Lives Matter, the brand of Colin Kaepernick,

00:07:25.820 if they can get the take a knee guy to support Xinjiang, to lobby for genocide commerce, why not laugh? 0.82

00:07:36.820 In fact, if you click on the link in that tweet, they're positively proud of it.

00:07:42.820 Tiananmen Square embodies Chinese people's confidence, pride.

00:07:48.820 Let me read an excerpt.

00:07:50.820 If the incident 32 years ago, I love that, the incident, they won't even say what it is.

00:07:55.820 If the incident 32 years ago has any positive effect, that is, it has inoculated the Chinese people with a political vaccine, 0.97

00:08:03.820 helping us acquire immunity from being seriously misled.

00:08:07.820 China underwent a color revolution, but wasn't brought down by it.

00:08:11.820 The leadership of the Communist Party of China has saved the fate of the nation at a critical juncture.

00:08:18.820 Imagine rubbing it in with that metaphor, the vaccine virus metaphor.

00:08:22.820 They know they can.

00:08:23.820 I mean, who's going to complain?

00:08:25.820 John Cena, LeBron James?

00:08:27.820 Here's the editor of Global Times, that Communist Party mouthpiece that we were just reading from.

00:08:31.820 Reading from, here's what he asked today, he says, the conclusion on June 4th incidents will never be reversed in Chinese history

00:08:39.820 because its political outcome played a role in shaping socialist path with Chinese characteristics, which has led China to success.

00:08:47.820 The longer the time, the more resolutely the incident will be rejected, the incident.

00:08:52.820 So to be clear, they're not ashamed anymore, if they ever were.

00:08:57.820 They're proud of it.

00:09:00.820 In fact, they believe that in time, the incident will be seen, really, as a bunch of terrorists trying to take down China.

00:09:07.820 Because they intend to keep saying that.

00:09:10.820 And I bet they'll get plenty of Westerners to repeat that for them for free. 0.73

00:09:15.820 I mean, like Peter Harder, a senior Trudeau appointee, ran Trudeau's transition team, now a Trudeau senator.

00:09:23.820 Let me read this tweet from Steve Chase of The Globe.

00:09:26.820 Senator Peter Harder, an ex-civil servant who later ran the Canada-China Business Council, told senators Thursday,

00:09:33.820 it's self-righteous to pass a motion urging a boycott of the Beijing Olympics over repression of Uyghurs, given Canada's cultural genocide of residential schools.

00:09:45.820 He got it.

00:09:46.820 He literally stood up in Canada's Senate and said, it's self-righteous to criticize China.

00:09:53.820 We are the genociders, not them.

00:09:55.820 He said that.

00:09:56.820 Did China write his speech?

00:09:58.820 In fact, China's pushing forward, pushing on Tiananmen Square.

00:10:04.820 That's a terrorist incident, don't you know?

00:10:07.820 It's a laugh that anyone would support them, don't you know?

00:10:10.820 And they're pushing back on the virus origin story, too. Look at this.

00:10:13.820 Just in, China accuses the US and Japan of running a secret biological warfare development program. Take a look.

00:10:20.820 After coming down the war, the European Union in many years, the European Union軍 in the United States will send the military crew to Japan,

00:10:27.820 The U.S.S.S.S.S.S.S.A.

00:10:57.820 Yeah, they really said that.

00:11:14.540 So who will push back against this, not Senator Harder?

00:11:19.200 Trump's not of the picture now.

00:11:22.740 Joe Biden's son worked for China, did billions of dollars in China.

00:11:26.920 there. So he's compromised. So who's going to push back against China?

00:11:31.780 There's a level of admiration I actually have for China because their basic

00:11:41.260 dictatorship is allowing them to actually turn their economy around on a dime.

00:11:46.300 Yeah, no, not him. Stay with us for more.

00:11:56.920 Welcome back. Well, I remember a year ago comparing how China's dictatorship responded

00:12:07.560 to the coronavirus to how the Soviet dictatorship responded to Chernobyl. I had just seen the HBO

00:12:15.060 miniseries called Chernobyl. And by the way, if you haven't seen it, you absolutely must. I resisted.

00:12:22.220 I thought, well, I know the story. I don't want to be bored by a documentary. It was absolutely

00:12:26.900 gripping. It was riveting. And even though I knew how the story ended, to have it recreated and to

00:12:32.220 see how the first instinct of the Communist Party was to deceive and to not lose face,

00:12:38.820 I thought it was a powerful analogy, except for one thing. Chernobyl mainly hurt people in the

00:12:46.520 Soviet Union, in Ukraine itself and Belarus. But in the Soviet Union, its deadly radioactivity did

00:12:54.300 much less harm outside the Soviet Union. I think that's the opposite of China's coronavirus. But

00:13:00.640 a new essay in an online magazine called American Greatness, amgreatness.com, is called,

00:13:08.240 The Chinese Coronavirus is This Generation's Tiananmen Test, as in Tiananmen Square. And I have to agree, 1.00

00:13:16.480 that's actually the better analogy than the Chernobyl one. And joining us now via Skype is the author

00:13:24.040 of this essay, our old friend Ben Weingarten, who joins us now via Skype. Ben, very, very thoughtful

00:13:31.560 piece, as always. And it comes on the anniversary. Well, today is the anniversary of Tiananmen Square. Of course,

00:13:39.400 you wrote this a little bit earlier, but the points remain. Make your case for how this is analogous to

00:13:49.040 the Tiananmen Square moment in 1989. Yeah, and let me just preface by saying, you know, we're talking

00:13:54.780 today on the anniversary of the apex of the Tiananmen Square massacre, ultimately. And this piece

00:14:02.320 that I wrote is actually from a year ago, but it could just as easily have been published today. I'm sorry

00:14:07.520 to say, unfortunately. And really, what the argument of this piece is that, unlike Chernobyl, to your

00:14:15.900 point, in this case, we're all victims. And it's the same thing relative to the Tiananmen Square massacre.

00:14:22.540 There, it was a distant, far away, brutal purge of dissenters by the Chinese Communist Party. The shot was

00:14:29.880 caught, of course, by purported reformer and liberalizer, Deng Xiaoping. So even under the most

00:14:36.120 moderate so-called communist leader, we saw its true face when it actually had to grapple with

00:14:41.820 college students simply demanding their most basic natural rights. That should have taught us

00:14:48.040 everything we needed to know about the nature of the Chinese Communist Party and its willingness to

00:14:53.580 be as brutal and deceptive as every other communist party, if not more so than any other communist party

00:14:59.720 in the history of mankind. And what I said was that we failed the Tiananmen test the first time around,

00:15:07.400 in that Tiananmen did not even serve as a speed bump, really, to China's ambitions to become a dominant

00:15:13.100 economic, military, and technological power. On the contrary, we engaged in this project to integrate,

00:15:21.480 effectively, the Chinese Communist Party into every aspect of the Western world. And it used that to its

00:15:27.480 huge advantage. All of the benefits of engaging with the West accrued to communist China. And yes, 0.81

00:15:33.240 we got cheap products and purportedly access to massive open markets to ourselves. It hasn't

00:15:41.160 exactly played out that way. But at the consequence of our national interest, and I would argue our

00:15:45.320 national soul, quite frankly, and you can broaden that to the entire West, not just America, for that

00:15:51.000 matter, as you well know. And so the long-winded point that I'm getting to is that this time around,

00:15:55.880 we were all victims of Chinese Communist Party tyranny, brutality, lies and deception, callousness, 0.97

00:16:01.640 not caring about, and in fact, probably in some ways, using to its advantage, the knowledge in

00:16:08.440 the West that they were willing to deal effectively to help foist on the world this pandemic, which has 0.58

00:16:15.400 resulted in hundreds of thousands, if not millions of deaths. So our test this time is how do we respond

00:16:22.040 when we are directly impacted by Chinese Communist tyranny? And the Chinese Communist Party has 0.91

00:16:27.080 the blood of the West on its hands. It's sapped our treasure. We've sacrificed our liberties as a

00:16:33.480 consequence of it. And so it is of the utmost importance. It might be the most important thing

00:16:38.120 in geopolitics for us to hold the Chinese Communist Party absolutely to account. And the fact that we're

00:16:43.480 talking now over a year since that piece came out, and only now the lab leak theory is even being

00:16:50.760 entertained by the establishment, I think speaks volumes about the failure of our so-called ruling

00:16:56.520 class to pass this Tiananmen test. Yeah, you know, I want to emphasize that you did write this last

00:17:02.040 year, and I'm sorry, I didn't actually quite, I was reading it because it feels like it was written

00:17:07.000 today. But I noticed that you were a very early analyst to get this right. Let me read what I

00:17:13.240 think is the key paragraph in your essay. Again, it's called, The Chinese Coronavirus

00:17:18.040 Is This Generation's Tiananmen Test? And here you spell out what that test is in a paragraph.

00:17:23.160 The test is as follows. With the Chinese Communist Party inflicting incalculable losses in blood and 0.91

00:17:29.160 treasure through its unique role in spreading the coronavirus and its related menacing behavior,

00:17:35.080 will we demand reparations or will we let the regime off scot-free, emboldening it and encouraging it

00:17:40.920 to act with impunity and still more reckless abandon in its quest for hegemony going forward?

00:17:46.280 We failed this test in 1989. Well, you know, I was thinking about how the 2008 Olympics in Beijing

00:17:54.440 was their ultimate proof to the world, the outside world, and proof to their own citizens that everything

00:18:01.640 was forgiven from Tiananmen Square. They could say with great justification, look, the entire world

00:18:07.480 is coming here to pay homage to us. They're bending their knee, they're saluting our anthem.

00:18:18.200 This is proof that we were right to crush them 19 years ago because look at the normalization. Well,

00:18:24.840 can you believe it? Beijing is getting the Olympics again next year, the Winter Olympics, and it serves

00:18:31.160 the exact same purpose to tell the world and domestic Chinese citizens, hey, we're the boss. Who else has 0.98

00:18:38.120 had two Olympic games in 14 years? Nobody but China. I think it's incredible how it's not even a speed,

00:18:47.480 like Chanaman Square, not even a speed, but at least Chanaman Square, you had some squawking about it

00:18:53.320 in some quarters of the West, as opposed to now, when if you even dispute the origins of the virus and

00:19:00.360 suggest maybe we should ask China a few more questions, Facebook, YouTube, Twitter will silence

00:19:05.240 you. It's incredible. It's happening all over again, Ben. The individuals inside the US government,

00:19:11.800 national security, intelligence, foreign policy establishment will suppress dissenting views with

00:19:17.560 respect to the Chinese coronavirus. The WHO will get rewarded with re-entry by the United States when

00:19:24.280 it's a China-controlled entity that helped participate in the cover-up of the origins and then the spread of

00:19:29.400 the coronavirus as well. It's really an exceptional point that you make, an analogy to draw, and I remember

00:19:35.800 in 2008, there were these triumphalist symbols of Marxism, of the Chinese Communist Party, and I watched

00:19:42.680 it and I'm just disgusted in real time, fuming as I'm watching that as a college student, thinking this

00:19:48.680 is a regime with the blood of tens of millions of people on its hands. And here it is. And how many

00:19:53.400 people in the West even comprehend of the propaganda effort that this is, that we're witnessing?

00:19:59.640 Like you said, fast forward to today and we have John Cena groveling because he dared to have the gall to

00:20:05.240 say that Taiwan was a country. And look at what China's done this time. I mean, move beyond

00:20:11.880 Tiananmen Square now, it of course operates Uyghur gulags. It has swallowed Hong Kong whole. It crushes 1.00

00:20:21.000 Christians and Falun Gong and the Tibetans and the Mongolians run down the list. It threatens to subsume 0.98

00:20:28.840 Taiwan, which is a living representation of what China could be, were its people to be free of the

00:20:34.680 clutches of the Chinese Communist Party. And then of course it has our blood on its hands and it 0.91

00:20:39.640 threatens to expand its sphere of influence everywhere and ultimately be the hegemonic world 0.99

00:20:44.040 power. So to your point, they are laughing at the fact that they can literally get away with murder,

00:20:48.920 including the murder of us and be able to then host the Olympic games as if they're a legitimate

00:20:53.640 member of the family of nations. It's absolutely sickening and in good conscience, no representative of 1.00

00:21:00.040 any Western country should give the privilege and the honor to the Chinese Communist Party to host those

00:21:06.200 games. You know, Hillel Neuer of UN Watch pointed out that no country controls more United Nations

00:21:14.760 agencies than China. Chinese nationals run four key agencies and of course they installed Tedros, 0.98

00:21:23.640 Dr. Tedros, the Ethiopian boss of the World Health Organization. So they effectively control five. 0.99

00:21:31.160 During the Cold War, I don't think the Soviet Union ever had that kind of sway over global diplomacy.

00:21:40.440 I mean, I could be wrong on that, but I don't think they ever did. But the thing is, that's the only

00:21:44.920 forum they were relevant. There wasn't an enormous amount of commerce between the Soviet Union

00:21:51.400 and the West. There was some, but it was limited. I think that's one of the reasons why Chernobyl 0.94

00:21:58.680 didn't morally destroy the West as much as the coronavirus did, is because the Soviet Union was 0.96

00:22:06.680 so cut off economically, scientifically, in terms of media. This really was a problem in their own house.

00:22:14.440 It was one of the reasons the Soviet Union fell because they bore 90%, 99% of the economic burden 0.99

00:22:23.400 of fixing it. With coronavirus, China is so ingrained. I mean, you note in your piece that 1.00

00:22:31.720 so many supply chains in the West are rooted in China, including about 95% of our medicines, by the way.

00:22:37.720 You can't buy medicine at a pharmacy that's not made in China. I mean, good luck finding, I mean, 0.99

00:22:44.920 just basic medicines, complex medicines, it's all made in China. The linkages, it's almost impossible 1.00

00:22:53.400 to untangle that mess. Yeah, it's a great point. If you look around whatever room you're in to viewers,

00:22:59.480 can you imagine any product that you have sitting around your office or your living room or the like

00:23:04.920 that doesn't have components made in China in it or raw materials coming from there or the like?

00:23:11.240 It's almost impossible, like you said. And that, I would argue, is the brilliance of the Chinese

00:23:15.240 Communist Party's strategy in contrast with that of the Soviet Union, which is that unlike the Soviet

00:23:21.320 Union, which was intransigent and had to fight against the Western imperialists, China said,

00:23:26.920 no, let's not resist. Let's open ourselves up to the West. Let them capitalize us. Let them shower

00:23:34.040 us with all the benefits of its labors in terms of technology and the financial markets and the trade

00:23:39.480 architecture and all the and entree to all the Western led institutions. And then let's take advantage

00:23:45.560 of all of these benefits to the maximum extent possible. It was a brilliant, brilliant strategy

00:23:52.200 executed to perfection. And as a consequence, we're stuck in a bear hug today, which is that,

00:23:57.480 you know, and it's sort of represented in physical form by these supply chains that lead to these

00:24:01.320 products around us. How do we get ourselves out of this inextricably intertwined relationship? And it

00:24:06.680 would have been significantly easier in 1989, of course, before this massive trade and diplomatic

00:24:13.560 relations and the like took place and manifested itself. Now, unfortunately, we face a far richer,

00:24:20.200 far stronger, far more powerful, far more brazen Chinese Communist Party that is no longer biting

00:24:25.960 its time in the words of Deng. You know, I think sometimes of rivals or enemies or opponents or

00:24:34.840 competitors to the West. I think of Iran and I think of China and both of them have been engaged in

00:24:42.040 diplomacy and military strategy for literally thousands of years, for millennia. And I think that there's a

00:24:51.480 there's a snobbery, there's a self-delusion, there's an ethnocentricity in the West that says

00:24:57.480 we're much more sophisticated than the Persian Empire or the Chinese Empire because we've got,

00:25:04.920 you know, Instagram influencers, we have woke this and vegetarian that and we're just the absolute

00:25:14.200 height of fashion. And I mean, I think of John Kerry, and I think of his obsession with climate change. And

00:25:21.240 I think of how the US military is now, you know, emphasizing its wokeness. And I'm and we think that

00:25:28.920 that signs of sophistication, and that we're going to run circles around Iran or China. I think they're

00:25:36.520 beating us at things that we think we're better at. I think they're more strategic than us. I think

00:25:42.840 they're more skillful diplomacy than us. I think they think more long term than us. I think they're

00:25:47.960 more disciplined than us. I think that they look at a buffoon like Joe Biden and his son, or John Kerry 0.96

00:25:55.800 or Anthony Blinken and say, these guys, their arrogance, let them think they're in control. 0.98

00:26:03.000 They're not. I don't know. I just think that they're they're absolutely cleaning our clock in the West. 0.60

00:26:09.000 Yeah. And the thing that's most depressing about it is that we're doing it to ourselves.

00:26:14.360 If the West mustered all of its energy, talent, creativity for all of the warts on our societies today,

00:26:22.040 I still firmly believe we can triumph over anyone, no matter what adversary. But we are hanging

00:26:27.880 ourselves right now. And then you add to that the fact that to your point, these are these are

00:26:33.080 strategically oriented nations regimes that are much longer term oriented than we are that are

00:26:40.360 willing to deal with substantially more sacrifice than we are, and also that understand us, we better

00:26:45.480 than better than we understand them. So they're able to take advantage of our avarice or self interest,

00:26:51.240 our short term thinking. And then you add on to it, the signs of decay and decadence and lack

00:26:57.400 of moral clarity or really even belief that we ought to survive in any traditional sense as Western

00:27:03.320 civilization that's inherent in this wokeness that we see. And you have a sick Western world right now.

00:27:10.840 And of course, our adversaries are going to take advantage of that. And I think that's one of the

00:27:14.280 reasons they don't even need to really directly attack us or engage in any sort of traditional,

00:27:18.920 conventional warfare at this point, because we're doing it to ourselves. And they can watch and

00:27:23.880 build up and bide their time. And almost organically, they're positioning themselves to be dominant.

00:27:31.080 You know, it's incredible. I mean, I was saying earlier in the show today,

00:27:35.400 they're not even pretending on Tiananmen Square. I mean, the Global Times, one of the English language

00:27:40.200 propaganda arms of the Chinese dictatorship, they literally say they're laughing at criticisms of

00:27:48.280 Tiananmen Square. So I don't even think they would have been that brazen about that in the past.

00:27:52.840 But they don't need to be their best defenders because they've got the John Cena's of Hollywood.

00:27:58.360 They've got the NBA and the LeBron James. They've got so many businessmen willing to go woke

00:28:06.280 to get into that lucrative market, so they think. I just think that they are, I hate to say it,

00:28:13.480 I think they're winning. I think had Donald Trump being reelected, that might not

00:28:17.400 be the case. But I think they're roaring back. To me, the ultimate image of that was New Year's Eve.

00:28:25.720 In Times Square, the iconic apple falling, sorry, you know, the clock, rather the countdown,

00:28:35.640 didn't happen. There was no one on the street other than Bill de Blasio dancing

00:28:40.920 with his wife by themselves, just that cringe image. Whereas in Wuhan, no masks,

00:28:46.200 huge parties, huge fireworks. Wuhan, China had the New York City New Year's celebration,

00:28:54.680 and New York was a ghost town. To me, that's the symbol of where we are. Last word to you, Ben.

00:29:00.600 Yeah, it's a sorry, but very apt image to part ways on. And what I just say is, doesn't it tell you

00:29:08.920 everything you need to know about the Western world, that our ruling class, and this goes beyond the U.S.,

00:29:15.080 but really internationally with respect to most of the West, and China, were all on the same page

00:29:21.160 in terms of wanting to do everything they could to see Donald Trump fall. I think that tells you

00:29:25.880 everything you need to know about ultimately what side our ruling class is on, and the fact that it

00:29:33.240 was Donald Trump that stood as the greatest bulwark against these tyrannical forces.

00:29:38.440 Yeah. We've been talking with Ben Weingarten. His article from last year in The American Greatness

00:29:43.960 is called The China Coronavirus is This Generation's Tiananmen Test. Thanks, Ben. Great to see you.

00:29:50.120 Thanks for having me.

00:29:50.840 All right. Cheers. Stay with us. More happy.

00:30:04.520 Hey, welcome back. Your feedback, Calvin writes,

00:30:07.640 let's fool everyone and elect an independent. Yeah, I just don't think it's going to work that

00:30:13.080 way. You know how premiers and prime ministers are chosen in the parliamentary system. It's whoever gets

00:30:17.640 the most MPs or MLAs to support them, typically the party leader who wins a majority. So it just

00:30:24.120 won't work to have an independent, unless you mean an independentist, someone who wants to separate

00:30:29.880 from Canada. And there's starting to be rumblings like that in Alberta.

00:30:34.440 Ina writes, do the conservatives have a death wish? Doug Ford at least does not behave as badly as Jason

00:30:39.880 Kenny, although he no longer leads us. We're now led by unelected health specialists.

00:30:44.280 I don't know if Doug Ford behaves as badly as Jason Kenny. I suspect that Doug Ford doesn't follow

00:30:51.320 any rules. In fact, we sort of have evidence that he doesn't. It's just that I don't think he's quite

00:30:55.880 as ostentatious. That sky palace is so, it's the greatest lightning rod for wasteful, luxurious living

00:31:04.920 politicians in Alberta, to go to that patio of all places and break the lockdown rules you're enforcing 0.99

00:31:12.360 and others at the same time. The layers of arrogance there, there's just so many. I'm sure Doug Ford has

00:31:20.120 a layer or two at any one time, but to do that, men need things on top of each other. And the photo, and

00:31:26.040 then defending it by saying, oh, you know, it was only a $35 bottle of whiskey. It wasn't luxurious.

00:31:33.240 I just don't know. I mean, I don't think they realize the trouble they're in. I think they're

00:31:38.280 going to lose the next election. That's our show for today. That's our week that was. We'll have

00:31:45.240 videos over the weekend, of course. We'll see you on Monday. Until then, on behalf of all of us here

00:31:50.280 of Rebel World Headquarters to you at home. Good night. Keep fighting for freedom.

Rebel News Podcast - June 05, 2021

It’s the anniversary of the Tiananmen Square massacre. And China is worse than ever.

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