Rebel News Podcast - Jean Chretien tells Justin Trudeau to surrender to China. Will Trudeau do it？

00:00:00.000 Hello, Rebels. Today I talk about Jean Chrétien's masterful, brilliant 3D chess, complex yet

00:00:07.820 achievable plan to get our hostages back from China. I can sum up his plan in three words,

00:00:15.260 which is miraculous considering it's like a Renoir painting. It's so amazing. And his plan is

00:00:22.160 pay the ransom. Yeah, who could have thought of that one? And I explain to you why Chrétien

00:00:28.660 said that. I proved to you that he's a Chinese lobbyist. Why are we even listening to the guy?

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00:00:54.920 Jean Chrétien in China show. You're listening to a Rebel Media Podcast.

00:01:00.980 Tonight, Jean Chrétien tells Justin Trudeau to surrender to China. Will Trudeau comply?

00:01:07.020 It's June 14th, and this is the Ezra Levant Show.

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00:01:19.040 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my

00:01:24.080 bloody right to do so.

00:01:30.420 Jean Chrétien, the most successful Liberal Prime Minister in memory, had some advice for

00:01:35.700 Justin Trudeau, the weakest Liberal Prime Minister in memory. It was advice on how to deal with

00:01:41.520 China, which has been holding two Canadians hostage for the better part of a year, Michael

00:01:46.880 Kovrig and Michael Spavor. Chrétien's advice was pretty simple. Just surrender. Just pay the

00:01:55.300 ransom to China. Give the Chinese everything they want. Just do it. Here's the Globe and Mail 1.00

00:02:00.120 story from a day ago. Chrétien proposes cancelling Meng's extradition case to unfreeze relations with

00:02:08.820 China. Just a reminder, Meng Wanzhou, if I'm saying that right, is a senior executive of the

00:02:14.420 massive Chinese telecommunications company called Huawei. They make cell phones and amongst other

00:02:19.240 things. And she also happens to be the daughter of the company's founder. She was arrested when

00:02:24.700 she touched down in Vancouver at the request of the United States, which wants her extradited to

00:02:29.820 the U.S. for various financial crimes, including illegally breaking sanctions in Iran. Meng is

00:02:36.760 fighting that extradition and is out on bail, but can't leave the city of Vancouver. Of all the cities in

00:02:42.340 the world to be kept in, Vancouver would probably be one of the nicest. And it's culturally pretty

00:02:47.120 friendly to Meng, too. So she's not in a prison or anything, unlike the two Canadian hostages China

00:02:53.060 immediately seized as punishment to Canada. Let me read some more from the article in the Globe.

00:02:59.460 Jean-Claude Chen is floating the idea of having Canada's justice minister exercise his legal authority

00:03:05.060 to stop the United States extradition of senior Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou as the means to

00:03:11.440 normalize diplomatic relations with China. Sources say the former Liberal Prime Minister, who last week

00:03:17.200 offered to serve as Canada's special envoy to China to help free two jailed Canadians, has discussed the

00:03:22.940 idea of canceling the extradition process with business executives, according to sources with knowledge

00:03:28.500 of the conversations. So just caving in, just giving them everything that they want. That's

00:03:34.740 that's his advice. That's his complex, thoughtful, deeply experienced solution here, just to surrender

00:03:43.160 to a foreign power. The proposal, I'm going to read some more, which has not been formally presented to

00:03:48.400 the Trudeau government, would meet Chinese President Xi Jinping's demand that Ms. Meng be freed to return 0.87

00:03:54.900 home before Beijing would reconsider reprisals it has taken against Canada. So it's not just a surrender.

00:04:03.680 It's a surrender, total abject surrender, renounce everything the Canadian government has said about the rule of law,

00:04:09.060 just cave in, abandon our U.S. ally in their police request. All that has to happen first, before China even 0.98

00:04:17.520 considers releasing our hostages or ending its bans on canola and other imports. So it's not even a

00:04:26.320 capitulation. It is a capitulation in advance, with no strings attached, fingers crossed that China will 0.95

00:04:33.520 be nice to us. What? Is that the advice of a man who ran the Canadian government, three majority

00:04:41.300 governments in a row for a decade? Is that really how Chrétien himself operated? In the countless large and small

00:04:49.380 negotiations and disagreements and compromises that a prime minister faces, both with foreign governments, both

00:04:55.880 friendly and unfriendly, and with provinces and territories with their particular demands and businesses and lobby

00:05:02.520 groups with his own political coalition? Is that really the best Chrétien could do? His best advice? He's coming up on 80.

00:05:10.100 His best advice is just, maybe he's over 80 now, is just do whatever the Chinese say, just give him 1.00

00:05:15.380 whatever they want? No, of course not. So you have to understand that Chrétien is in fact a fairly

00:05:23.240 shrewd negotiator, much more than Justin Trudeau's never negotiated anything in his life. He said his dad,

00:05:29.080 trust fund lawyers do that. But you have to understand that Jean Chrétien is a negotiator in this case

00:05:34.720 for the other side. Right now, not in the past, right now, at the same time he's giving Canada such great

00:05:45.600 advice, he is a lobbyist for China, in China, on the Chinese side. You might know that Jean Chrétien's

00:05:54.100 son-in-law is Andre Desmarais. He's the president of the accurately named Power Corporation. Huge

00:06:01.640 company, multi-billion dollars. They own brands you would recognize, like Great West Life Insurance,

00:06:06.960 London Life, the Investors Group. You've heard of all those. They're huge companies here in Canada,

00:06:12.120 but they have huge international holdings, and they are huge in China. They went in early,

00:06:18.680 and they went in big. They bet it all on China. Just an example, they're part of Bombardier's

00:06:25.200 massive Chinese railway into Tibet. That's an industrial investment, but it's really a tool

00:06:32.560 to colonize the region, to bring in Han Chinese, to dilute the ethnic Tibetans. It's a conquering tool. 1.00

00:06:40.980 There's nothing Power Corporation won't do to get ahead in China. There's no human rights violation

00:06:46.400 they'll turn a blind eye to. I point out the Tibet Railway, and that's why Jean Chrétien is such a

00:06:51.460 perfect fit for it, and not just for Power Corporation run by his son-in-law, but any other companies that

00:06:57.180 want to get ahead in China. They go to Jean Chrétien. He's connected in China. He gets it done for a huge

00:07:03.300 fee. See, when Jean Chrétien resigned as Canada's prime minister, he couldn't go straight to work

00:07:08.380 lobbying the Canadian government that he just left weeks earlier, and these days, there's even a five-year

00:07:14.780 cooling-off period before any senior government officeholder can lobby the government again.

00:07:21.020 But there's no rule against a prime minister quitting and then immediately going to work

00:07:27.940 for a foreign government. There's no rule against that. And that's exactly what Jean Chrétien did.

00:07:34.840 Literally, five weeks after stepping down, five weeks, he went to work in China, working to schmooze the 0.98

00:07:44.140 Chinese government on behalf of rich clients. Oh, like his son-in-law who need connections, but a lot

00:07:49.160 of other clients too. Hey, quick question. Aside from the ethics of that, do you really think that

00:07:55.780 Jean Chrétien didn't take any steps, didn't have any conversations, didn't take any plans

00:08:01.640 in advance of stepping down as prime minister while he was still prime minister? You really think he never

00:08:09.460 crossed his mind that he was going to do lobbying in China until he was gone? Do you really think it

00:08:13.460 was a blank slate until the day he stepped down? And then only in the five weeks, as he completely

00:08:20.180 shut down his office as prime minister, shut down his office, said goodbye to staff, wrapped up all

00:08:24.900 his projects, and just immediately went to work lobbying in China. Do you really think he did that

00:08:29.580 all in five weeks? Or do you think, oh, there's a teeny tiny chance that while he was still our prime

00:08:34.180 minister still making decisions on security matters and diplomatic matters and trade matters

00:08:39.340 that he was already setting up his post-employment gig with China? Yeah, yeah, I think so too. So

00:08:44.380 that's my point. Ever since then, Jean Chrétien has had his bread buttered by China, by doing what China 0.98

00:08:51.640 wants, by getting other people to do what China wants so they can get what they want. So imagine

00:08:56.680 asking that guy, imagine asking that lobbyist for his opinion about China. Yeah, you're going to get

00:09:04.040 an answer, all right. Imagine Jean Chrétien still being treated as some sort of credible elder

00:09:09.840 statesman on China instead of who he actually is, a total shill and lobbyist. And I mean, being treated

00:09:18.120 as credible on that subject, not just by the Liberal Party, but by the media too, who ignore the fact that

00:09:25.040 he is a bought and paid for lobbyist. Now, thank God for small mercies. But so far, at least,

00:09:31.720 Chrystia Freeland seems to be rejecting Chrétien's approach. For now, at least, she's as cringeworthy

00:09:38.200 as they come. I mean, I mean, remember this. I have sought repeatedly a meeting with Wang Yi,

00:09:46.480 the foreign minister, my counterpart. Thus far, that meeting hasn't happened. But if Chinese officials

00:09:53.340 are listening to us today, let me repeat that I would be very, very keen to meet with Minister Wang Yi

00:10:04.960 or to speak with him over the phone at the earliest opportunity.

00:10:09.540 She was just doing a public radio show, and she was just sort of begging, hey man,

00:10:13.360 if you're listening, please call. I've sent you so many text messages. I've sent you flowers. I've stood

00:10:17.940 outside your apartment with a big ghetto blaster, playing romantic songs. I've, you know, I've deleted all,

00:10:24.680 you know, I mean, that's so pitiful.

00:10:29.560 But at least she doesn't appear to actually be on the Chinese payroll like John Quenchen.

00:10:35.060 On the other hand, I'm not quite sure about these folks. See this story? China's annual reception

00:10:42.000 for local BC politicians slated to go ahead. BC politicians. Here, let me read a little more.

00:10:49.240 The Port Coquitlam mayor, at least, says reception inappropriate, given China's arrest of two

00:10:53.380 Canadians. Well, bully for the Port Coquitlam mayor. But come on, you stick in the mud. I mean,

00:10:58.740 to party, invite the families of the hostages. They could probably use a good stiff drink. And hey,

00:11:03.580 China's paying, so why not party on? Let me read a little bit from the story. 0.85

00:11:06.800 A yearly networking opportunity for Canadian businesses and British Columbia politicians

00:11:10.940 will take place again this year, despite ongoing tensions between Canada and China.

00:11:16.200 The Union of BC Municipalities has released the program for its annual convention,

00:11:20.500 which brings together hundreds of mayors and councillors from across BC every September,

00:11:24.320 showing a Consulate General of the People's Republic of China reception scheduled for one evening.

00:11:30.880 The reception, paid for by China, has taken place every year since 2012,

00:11:35.180 as a meet and greet, where people can swap business cards and eat appetizers.

00:11:40.520 Well, I mean, you've really put these politicians to an ethical test, haven't you?

00:11:44.460 I mean, standing up for Canadian hostages or free drinks and appetizers.

00:11:51.040 Woof! That's a tough one.

00:11:53.800 Leave me not into temptation. Oh, how can I resist?

00:11:57.660 You know, the whole thing's a disaster. Freeland not getting her calls returned,

00:12:00.940 Critchin publicly saying we should surrender,

00:12:02.420 and the media clapping or just saying, yeah, good advice.

00:12:05.500 We haven't had an ambassador from Canada to China in, what, half a year?

00:12:10.380 And China just removed their ambassador.

00:12:12.440 They gave him a promotion to go to Paris, most beautiful city in the world.

00:12:15.760 So we don't even have ambassadors to talk to each other anymore.

00:12:19.060 The one guy who could help, the one guy whose calls get answered,

00:12:24.040 his name is Donald Trump.

00:12:27.900 Justin Trudeau mocks him in every turn,

00:12:29.380 so Trump doesn't even waste his time on our man-child president.

00:12:33.060 At best, he sends his bland-as-toast vice president, Mike Pence.

00:12:36.840 And what did Trudeau do with that opportunity when Mike Pence came up here a few weeks ago?

00:12:41.900 What does Trudeau make with his short moments with the Veep?

00:12:44.600 He thought the best use of that meeting was to lecture Mike Pence on a state abortion law in Alabama?

00:12:53.680 I highlighted to the vice president that there was a significant amount of concern amongst Canadians

00:13:03.980 on the new anti-choice laws being passed in a number of American states

00:13:11.940 and highlighted that Canadians and indeed this government

00:13:15.660 will always be a staunch defender of women's rights and a woman's right to choose.

00:13:21.420 It was a cordial conversation, but it is one on which we have very different perspectives.

00:13:28.400 I'm very proud to be part of a pro-life administration,

00:13:32.260 and our administration has taken steps to stand for the sanctity of life at home and abroad.

00:13:40.020 What we find troubling is the Democratic Party in our country

00:13:46.380 and leaders around the country supporting late-term abortion, even infanticide.

00:13:51.420 But those are debates within the United States,

00:13:54.080 and I know that Canada will deal with those issues

00:14:00.340 in a manner that the people of Canada determine most appropriate.

00:14:05.360 But for President Trump, for me, for our administration,

00:14:09.980 we'll always stand for the right to life.

00:14:12.900 What a restrained answer.

00:14:15.040 He didn't even poke back at Trudeau.

00:14:16.560 He didn't offer an opinion whatsoever on Canadian abortion laws

00:14:20.320 because he's a grown-up!

00:14:25.540 You know, I would really have rather have heard Mike Pence

00:14:29.900 give some words on Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor, wouldn't you?

00:14:36.240 But that was the opportunity that was the most important for Justin Trudeau.

00:14:42.160 Now, look, I'm not savvy in the ways of Chinese diplomacy,

00:14:45.940 but I think, you know who just had a bit of an idea?

00:14:50.180 Believe it or not, Stephen Harper.

00:14:52.120 He showed the way.

00:14:52.980 Some dignity, some standing by our Canadian values,

00:14:56.320 but also being constructive where we could be, engaging,

00:14:59.400 but on Canadian terms, saying what he meant and meaning what he said.

00:15:03.060 Those sound like a lot of banalities, right?

00:15:05.640 But they do mean something.

00:15:07.280 I mean, I think they mean the opposite of this kind of diplomacy.

00:15:33.060 Yeah, boy, that worked out well, didn't it?

00:15:56.540 And those little banalities, they probably mean the opposite of this.

00:16:01.980 I love this picture.

00:16:03.060 It makes me laugh so hard.

00:16:06.040 This band of millennial know-nothings that serve as freelance experts.

00:16:10.600 They're so good at looking things up on Wikipedia.

00:16:14.480 These know-nothing millennials have screwed up everything, 1.00

00:16:18.520 from Saudi Arabia to India to China to the Philippines to NAFTA.

00:16:23.360 So, yeah, give me back that boring old Stephen Harper police.

00:16:27.680 What would Stephen Harper do if he were prime minister now?

00:16:31.620 Well, I don't know, and neither does Trudeau,

00:16:33.740 because Trudeau hates Harper too much to ask,

00:16:37.780 which is a shame, because I bet Harper would put aside any partisanship

00:16:40.640 and personal feelings and give some real advice if he were asked genuinely.

00:16:43.860 He might even go over to China and try and help if Trudeau asked him to

00:16:48.020 and if he thought it would work.

00:16:48.980 And if you think that's a bad idea to call Harper,

00:16:52.160 well, what's your alternative to do what Chrétien, the lobbyist, says?

00:16:55.920 But what would Harper do?

00:16:58.980 I don't know, but I think he would probably start

00:17:01.480 by asking our U.S. allies for help nicely, in person.

00:17:06.660 Fly to Washington.

00:17:08.500 Go with genuine friendship.

00:17:10.400 Stop sneering and lecturing about abortion laws or whatever.

00:17:15.260 Trudeau would never do that.

00:17:16.220 Trudeau can't bite his tongue around Donald Trump.

00:17:19.520 Trudeau looks down on Trump, which is hilarious,

00:17:21.980 considering what the two men have accomplished in life.

00:17:24.400 Trudeau would never ask Trump for help.

00:17:25.800 Harper would. 0.85

00:17:27.240 Harper would get that help too.

00:17:28.740 Harper would make that help his top priority,

00:17:30.240 and Harper would slowly work to bring back public dignity

00:17:33.300 to Canada's dealings with China.

00:17:35.160 I'm guessing he might even start taking steps

00:17:37.820 if China didn't comply when he asked China nicely.

00:17:41.520 I remember years ago when the head of CSIS said

00:17:45.180 there were more than 1,000 spies, Chinese spies in Canada.

00:17:50.960 This story is from 2005, 14 years ago.

00:17:55.400 Now, they were mainly doing industrial espionage.

00:17:57.480 There's not enough work for 1,000 military spies in Canada,

00:18:00.480 I regret.

00:18:01.160 The number today is, it's got to be 10 times larger.

00:18:05.220 Maybe Stephen Harper would just start sending those spies home,

00:18:08.320 revoking their visas.

00:18:09.480 They're not even diplomats.

00:18:11.000 They're students.

00:18:11.940 They're scientists embedded in our industries.

00:18:13.600 Just send home one a day, maybe.

00:18:16.160 And there are, what, 100,000 Chinese nationals in our universities

00:18:18.880 taking up spaces otherwise available to Canadian kids,

00:18:22.040 crowding our campuses, jacking up housing prices,

00:18:24.740 making class sizes too large.

00:18:26.180 The Chinese nationals maybe declined to renew their student visas.

00:18:30.940 I don't know.

00:18:31.480 That would get China's attention.

00:18:32.860 Maybe get out of that bizarre Asian infrastructure investment bank. 1.00

00:18:37.060 What are we doing?

00:18:38.380 Trudeau's putting Canadian tax dollars into a Chinese infrastructure bank.

00:18:42.640 He won't even let private investors build pipelines in Canada,

00:18:46.620 but he's sending our tax dollars to build pipelines in China, for China.

00:18:51.400 How about jacking up our commitment to NATO?

00:18:53.540 How about buying some real F-35 jets?

00:18:55.580 How about, I don't know, showing some self-respect?

00:18:57.700 How about showing China that there are some consequences to kidnapping our people?

00:19:01.920 There's a reason why China hasn't kidnapped any Americans, 0.96

00:19:06.200 even though it was an American extradition request.

00:19:08.760 How about refusing to let Chinese goods transship through Canada

00:19:14.400 to get into the United States?

00:19:15.380 We're letting Chinese junk come through our ports and into America. 1.00

00:19:19.160 Why don't we just stop that?

00:19:20.780 That's what's caused Trump to raise tariffs against us anyway.

00:19:23.740 It's Chinese junk being dumped in the U.S., but it came through us first. 1.00

00:19:27.100 How about just even making a moral statement once in a while

00:19:31.260 in support of the Hong Kong democracy protests?

00:19:34.000 How about speaking out in favor of China's moderate Muslims,

00:19:37.480 the million Uyghur Muslims who are going through forced re-education camps

00:19:42.780 like political prisoners?

00:19:43.900 I'm as tough as anyone when it comes to militant Islam,

00:19:46.960 when it comes to political Islamism.

00:19:49.160 But I've been to Xinjiang, the Muslim province in China.

00:19:52.400 It was extremely un-militant.

00:19:54.100 Un-militant.

00:19:55.320 I didn't see a single burqa the entire time I was there.

00:19:59.340 It hadn't been colonized and radicalized by either Saudi or Iranian money or imams. 0.94

00:20:06.180 It was a very comfortable live and let live Islam. 0.99

00:20:10.980 I liked it in Xinjiang.

00:20:14.600 Frankly, I think China's move of putting them in prison is probably radicalizing them. 0.92

00:20:18.080 In any event, I think in China we found the only Muslims in the world that Trudeau is not championing.

00:20:26.380 And I wonder if that's because they're moderate Muslims

00:20:28.080 or if it's because they're punishers of the Chinese communists that Trudeau so admires.

00:20:32.240 I guess what I'm saying is what Trudeau is doing isn't working.

00:20:35.980 And what Khrushchev proposes to do, well, that's China's plan.

00:20:38.640 That's not our plan.

00:20:40.520 What should our little potato do?

00:20:42.320 What would Stephen Harper do?

00:20:46.980 Well, I'll ask someone who just might know.

00:20:48.920 I'll ask him next.

00:20:49.660 Stay with us.

00:20:50.080 I'm at 18 times the president of China.

00:21:08.160 I discuss human rights every time.

00:21:12.800 I was the first Western leader to make a public speech on human rights in China.

00:21:27.520 And it was at the University of Beijing.

00:21:34.100 Well, that's Jean-Claude Chen when Stephen Harper was bringing a principled approach to the Canada-Chinese relationship.

00:21:41.640 By the way, trade between Canada and China continued to grow under Stephen Harper.

00:21:48.840 Of course, we kept buying more of their stuff than they bought from us in large part because we still don't have a pipeline that would sell oil to Asia.

00:21:58.920 The trade relationship is very imbalanced.

00:22:01.660 We buy their stuff.

00:22:04.100 And I hate to be so blunt about it, but they steal our stuff.

00:22:07.920 It was probably 10 years ago now that the head of CESIS said there were at least 1,000 Chinese spies in Canada.

00:22:15.840 That number has only multiplied.

00:22:17.920 So what would Stephen Harper advise Justin Trudeau to do if Trudeau had the courage to ask Harper?

00:22:25.960 Well, I think we know someone who might be able to make a pretty educated guess about that question because that someone is a friend of Stephen Harper and his former lawyer.

00:22:38.500 I'm talking about Manny Montadegrino, the CEO of ThinkSharp, who joins us now via Skype from Ottawa.

00:22:43.500 Manny, great to see you again.

00:22:45.900 Nice to be with you, Ezra, as always.

00:22:48.160 You know, thank you for saying that.

00:22:50.460 I think it's a good idea for prime ministers to call on old hands, past prime ministers, across party lines even.

00:22:58.760 We heard from Jean Chrétien, but I think he's compromised because he does a lot of lobbying in China.

00:23:04.540 Before we talk about what Harper might suggest to Trudeau, do you have a word about what Jean Chrétien keeps saying we should capitulate to China?

00:23:12.680 What do you think of that?

00:23:14.260 Well, I mean, it is outrageous.

00:23:16.080 You've had the prime minister and every lawyer and every senior cabinet minister say that we are a country of rule of law, and we've heard it, and that's what we are.

00:23:28.340 Although Prime Minister Trudeau and 10 members of this PMO obstructed justice with the SNC-Lavalin, they've obstructed justice with respect to Admiral Norman.

00:23:44.140 China knows all this, and so China is perplexing.

00:23:49.220 They keep telling us, and they know that Canada is a country of rule of law, but they've seen some cracks with Justin Trudeau, and they're hoping to fill in between those cracks.

00:24:00.440 So, to have, you know, I'm very suspicious of why the former prime minister, Chrétien, you know, once a member of my law firm, would come out on this side and say,

00:24:12.600 well, sure, let's just forget about Canada's rule of law, and let's just help China the best way we can.

00:24:18.320 And that just astounds me, and it just puts into question the whole bona fides of that statement.

00:24:26.740 Yeah, I think that he's speaking not so much as a former prime minister, but as a current China-centric businessman,

00:24:35.000 whose son-in-law, André Demery, is one of the most invested businessmen in China in all of Canada.

00:24:42.120 Well, let me ask you a more speculative question.

00:24:45.760 I think we know why Jean Chrétien said what he said.

00:24:48.820 But I think that although Stephen Harper, I don't think he likes Justin Trudeau, and I know the feeling's mutual,

00:24:55.120 but I think truly that if Justin Trudeau made a private phone call to Stephen Harper,

00:25:01.280 I think Harper would pick up the phone. 1.00

00:25:03.580 I think he would listen.

00:25:04.900 I think he would swallow whatever residual anger he might have towards Trudeau.

00:25:08.560 And I think he would actually give whatever his best advice would be to Trudeau.

00:25:13.280 Do you agree with me that if Trudeau actually—

00:25:15.740 Yeah, I mean, who wouldn't?

00:25:16.880 I would.

00:25:17.540 I hate Trudeau.

00:25:18.540 But if he called me and genuinely asked me something in the name of our country, I would answer my best.

00:25:24.940 Yeah, absolutely.

00:25:25.640 And it would happen, and of course he would.

00:25:27.420 I mean, he is—but Ezra, I think we're at a point where it's just—the ship has sailed with Trudeau.

00:25:34.660 And fundamentally, it starts with his inability to put his feet into someone else's shoes,

00:25:42.960 to understand either a nation or a person or a principled person.

00:25:48.220 He really is tone-deaf to everyone.

00:25:51.000 Now, psychologists can designate a certain psychosis with that type of behavior,

00:25:56.900 but there is too much evidence that if you look at what happened to the two senior cabinet ministers,

00:26:03.460 you have Jane Filippot pleading, please don't do this.

00:26:06.620 This will send him in.

00:26:07.520 He doesn't listen to anybody.

00:26:09.800 Our prime minister is only concerned about himself and only concerned about what he thinks.

00:26:16.900 And so that's how we got into the problem in the first place with China.

00:26:20.680 I mean, anyone who doesn't understand that China is a very serious player and they take things extremely serious,

00:26:28.680 they do not like to be insulted, they do not like to be ridiculed.

00:26:34.320 And this started from the beginning, in the very first meetings with the prime minister and China,

00:26:40.460 to sit there and lecture him or them on his five virtue signaling clauses on his trade deal.

00:26:47.920 He was kicked out at that point in time and he was called little potato.

00:26:53.100 We went through that.

00:26:54.320 Now, you know, like Ezra, you've got to think, what kind of person doesn't understand?

00:27:00.280 This is a people of 1.5, a country with 1.5 billion people, now the second strongest economy,

00:27:07.700 the biggest emitter of CO2.

00:27:10.520 This is a very serious player and has a long, long plan.

00:27:15.160 It has egregious violations to the millions of Muslims and they have no rule of law. 1.00

00:27:20.880 We've just gone through the 30th anniversary of Tiananmen Square.

00:27:25.060 There's no record of it anymore.

00:27:26.960 I mean, so if you're the prime minister of Canada, you've got to understand who China is.

00:27:33.640 He doesn't, doesn't listen to them.

00:27:35.380 And so it's very hard.

00:27:37.740 And the only way that we could get out of this is with help from either, you know, our best friend, neighbor, United States.

00:27:48.380 He's burnt that bridge deeply by, you know, by calling, by backstabbing the president when they had a deal at the G20.

00:27:56.820 By being the White House referring to, to our prime minister, there's a special place in hell for the, I mean, so, so it is really, I don't, you could have a thousand Harpers go and see, and nothing would result at this time. 0.98

00:28:16.800 There's just been too much damage and it continues and it continues.

00:28:20.780 So, so, you know, the other players that you might get on the world scene and, you know, if you care about Canada and you care about those two young men in the Canadian jail, you get, you, you, you muster up everything you can.

00:28:34.100 You know, we've, we've insulted China or the prime minister insults China.

00:28:38.640 We've, we've basically insulted the president.

00:28:41.660 You know, the other, other players in the world scene would be Saudi Arabia, would be Russia.

00:28:48.880 Those two might come in and help.

00:28:51.820 Well, we, you know, we've, we have no diplomatic ties with Russia because the prime minister decided to lecture them on how they apply their own laws in their own country to their own citizens, which is just absurd.

00:29:04.760 And as you know, there's also that kind of tension with Russia.

00:29:08.380 So, we are alone in the world.

00:29:11.040 And the reason why we're alone in the world, it's very simple, Ezra.

00:29:14.900 Our prime minister put his own likability ahead of the Canadian interests, ahead of our Canadian economy.

00:29:23.120 And so, no one's here to help because this prime minister doesn't understand that very basic concept.

00:29:29.540 Yeah.

00:29:29.820 You know, I just, it's such a puzzle to me because Justin Trudeau is so obsequious to foreign leaders, to Cuba, for example, to China.

00:29:39.620 He said it's his favorite country, and yet he managed to bungle things in Cuba.

00:29:45.020 They use those sound weapons against our diplomats.

00:29:48.600 I can't think of a single country around the world that is friendlier towards Canada now than it was four years ago.

00:29:55.980 And yet Harper was tougher on all our enemies but had their respect.

00:29:59.440 But, Ezra, that's true of everything.

00:30:02.040 Now, Ezra, break it down.

00:30:04.420 You know, break it down.

00:30:05.640 Be analytical.

00:30:06.420 Trudeau, with his love of China at the beginning, he's done that with feminism. 0.97

00:30:16.340 He was a champion for feminism.

00:30:18.860 And look, in reality, he is not.

00:30:21.480 I think Trudeau likes his titles, likes to be something, but doesn't know how to get to it, doesn't know the hard work.

00:30:29.300 And it all comes down to doesn't know the hard work and are you true to your principles, are you true to yourself?

00:30:35.560 And that's where we fail.

00:30:37.640 I mean, you know, if you look at the feminism issue, I mean, ostensibly, everyone thought at the beginning, well, look, well, this first time in history, two very strong principles.

00:30:48.900 I mean, we've never had a cabinet minister leave cabinet because they didn't trust the prime minister.

00:30:55.240 These were two strong females. 1.00

00:30:56.960 You couldn't get a better message to say this person does not speak the truth.

00:31:02.620 This person has no gravitas.

00:31:04.640 If you can't have gravitas in your own cabinet, how do you think you're going to get it with the president of the United States, with the president of China, with anyone in the world?

00:31:14.820 If you can't even get people in your cabinet to trust you.

00:31:18.780 Wow.

00:31:19.120 You know, I never thought of it that way.

00:31:20.560 That's such a good point.

00:31:22.240 That's such a good point.

00:31:23.340 But there's, yeah.

00:31:25.240 Well, that's, you know what?

00:31:26.300 There's so many points.

00:31:26.980 Manny, you've, unfortunately, I have to agree with you that, as you said, the ships have already sailed here.

00:31:34.400 There's probably, I mean, I don't know if it's fixable, but it needs to be fixed because there are two Canadians over there and Canadian farmers are taking it in the form of import blockages, whether, you know, trumped up claims that Canadian canola has, you know, some blight.

00:31:55.100 I mean, it's, so we are suffering in various ways.

00:31:59.440 Let me come back to my hypothetical scenario, and I hope you don't think that's too fantastical to do, but maybe you could play along with me anyways.

00:32:10.920 If, I mean, you worked with Stephen Harper, you were his lawyer when he was the prime minister.

00:32:15.460 I'm sure you gave him advice outside of narrow legal matters.

00:32:18.560 If Justin Trudeau were to show a miraculous personal growth, call Stephen Harper and say, listen, I need your help.

00:32:28.140 I just want you to do it for Canada.

00:32:31.300 What do you think Harper's one, two, three, four ideas would be based on your knowledge of Harper and how he solved these problems before?

00:32:41.480 Can you guess with me?

00:32:43.220 Well, you know what, it's very hard.

00:32:46.900 Like, I think it's almost at an impossibility stage.

00:32:51.140 I think Harper, you know, our prime minister Harper, our ex-prime minister Harper understands, and is a very, very bright man, understands who Trump is.

00:33:02.700 I mean, prime minister Harper, his success was understanding everyone across the table.

00:33:08.760 So it's not, he wasn't interested in telling the world who he was.

00:33:14.760 He was very, very careful in listening to who they were.

00:33:19.220 So in one aspect, the prime minister Harper has and knows who Donald Trump is, as I do.

00:33:26.660 All you have to do is listen.

00:33:28.800 And so he does have that benefit that it appears that no one in this cabinet or this prime minister cares to do.

00:33:36.000 No one in Canada cares to, our media cares to listen to what this president is doing.

00:33:43.180 So if you can't, you know, they talk about, you know, we're listening to Canadians.

00:33:47.400 If you can't start listening to someone on the other side, whether you agree with him or not, if you can't start listening, you can't start solving the problem.

00:33:56.060 So does Stephen Harper have the ability to listen?

00:34:00.220 Absolutely.

00:34:01.140 Does he have the ability to understand who he is?

00:34:03.220 Absolutely.

00:34:03.920 Does he have the ability to find a solution?

00:34:07.560 Perhaps he does.

00:34:08.620 I can't see it.

00:34:10.160 I mean, I can't see it.

00:34:12.160 We still, I mean, you know, like we are in our third year of President Trump.

00:34:19.340 We haven't invited him to Canada for a state dinner.

00:34:23.380 Donald Trump has gone to Japan, has gone to the U.K., completely full state dinners.

00:34:31.260 We haven't done that.

00:34:33.020 We don't have our ambassador to Canada.

00:34:35.860 He was very late in appointing Kelly Craft.

00:34:39.020 I think it was October, November, the latest appointment for Canadian ambassador.

00:34:43.400 And now she's been elevated to the United Nations, and there's no talk of a Canadian ambassador, and no one's concerned about that.

00:34:52.140 These are all facts that should tell you that pretty much America today under this government is tuned out of Canada.

00:35:01.380 They're focused on Mexico.

00:35:02.940 Mexico is the number one trading partner.

00:35:06.040 It's all Mexico, Mexico, Mexico. 0.94

00:35:08.260 And pretty soon, everyone's going to forget about Canada.

00:35:11.660 And if that does happen, that's not a good thing.

00:35:14.380 Yeah.

00:35:14.600 You know, I look at that Shinzo Abe, if I'm pronouncing that right, the prime minister of Japan.

00:35:19.680 And even though they have a deep language barrier, they both really seem to be trying to work together.

00:35:26.960 They visit each other.

00:35:27.920 They play golf together.

00:35:29.140 And I know you're a golfer.

00:35:30.500 Golfing is a fun game.

00:35:32.240 But it's also the ultimate way for two men to slowly harmonize with each other.

00:35:39.340 It's not a quick meeting.

00:35:40.140 You got a few hours out there.

00:35:42.480 You don't have to be intensive talking.

00:35:44.520 You can laugh.

00:35:45.300 You can...

00:35:46.100 Like, it's a great way for two guys to get to know each other.

00:35:49.180 And the Japanese are closer to America now than we are, despite the geographic and language barriers.

00:35:56.040 I find that so frustrating.

00:35:59.260 That should be us.

00:36:01.320 And so should Mexico be us.

00:36:03.860 I mean, we are...

00:36:05.320 You're touching on a point that I don't think anyone's talking about.

00:36:08.920 And that is, is Canada slipping away from being United States' number one trading partner, number one friend?

00:36:16.420 And if these bonds are created on the Brexit, if Brexit does happen and America was there, you know, in assistance with trade or whatever, if the bonds are going to be Japan, Mexico, and the UK, you know, Canada's...

00:36:35.420 And, Andrea, let's add this in.

00:36:37.760 Canada's special interest to America has been our oil.

00:36:42.840 America has been dependent on Middle East oil until this year, or I think last year, but I think it's this year.

00:36:51.120 And America is now self-sufficient.

00:36:53.220 Canada was its best friend because we supplied America oil, and we supplied America cheap oil.

00:37:00.060 And so oil is very important to America.

00:37:03.120 Once we lose that ability, and Justin Trudeau is doing everything in his ability to stop oil in Canada, we have really very little to offer America.

00:37:14.660 We are going to be moving far and far away.

00:37:17.580 So this oil attack is not only an attack against Alberta and against Canada's economy and this pipeline attack, it's an attack against a very special relationship that we've built for years with America.

00:37:32.560 America is moving on.

00:37:33.880 It's self-sufficient.

00:37:34.700 I mean, you ask yourself, if President Trump wins another four years and he's looking to the north, other than being, you know, completely envious that the NBA title is in Canada, I mean, what does Canada offer America that America can't do by itself?

00:37:56.300 And that is a very, very question that has to be examined.

00:38:02.080 Canada has to step up its game.

00:38:04.780 It can't keep insulting America.

00:38:06.420 It can't keep taking away its very essence of its main product, and it can't be lecturing them.

00:38:12.600 So, you know, I think over time, I hope that a new president comes back and is in love with Canada and we continue this very strong relationship, because what could fall from this, Ezra, is we slip out of the G7.

00:38:27.640 We're a G10 nation.

00:38:29.100 We're slipping to a G11, but we're in the G7.

00:38:31.760 These things can happen if America's not always thinking about its best friend, Canada.

00:38:38.300 Yeah.

00:38:39.060 Manny, you're making me sad because I see our levers slipping away.

00:38:43.240 And out of spite, we bought used jets from Australia instead of being a partner with America on those new F-35s.

00:38:50.400 I've seen those F-35s in flight in Israel.

00:38:53.740 I saw an F-15 go by.

00:38:55.260 That's an amazing jet.

00:38:56.800 Then I saw the F-35 go by and I said, oh, my God, that is, you can see it's so next.

00:39:03.280 It is the 25 years more modern.

00:39:04.980 And we just bought the used stuff off the Aussies so they can buy F-35s. 0.97

00:39:09.620 And I'm thinking, what is our place in the world?

00:39:12.640 Manny, I wish I could disagree with you because you're painting a sober picture that I wish there was some more sunny ways in it, but I don't see it.

00:39:22.420 Yeah, no.

00:39:23.420 Let me just ask you to make a prediction.

00:39:25.100 And it's always tough, but do you think we will get those two hostages home if Justin Trude, until, let's say, the October election in Canada?

00:39:36.540 Do you think there's a chance those hostages are coming home before then?

00:39:40.620 Absolutely not.

00:39:41.380 I think the best thing that can happen for those two men, and Ezra, I said this before, I'm a dad and I have a son almost that age, and I have people that have done commerce in China, good friends.

00:40:00.300 I think it could be them.

00:40:02.140 And I think of those two men and the other two men in prison, those two Canadians.

00:40:07.220 I think the only hope, I mean, China is about face. 1.00

00:40:11.920 I mean, Justin Trudeau will change his mind on everything for a bump in the polls.

00:40:20.960 China doesn't do that. 1.00

00:40:22.440 China will never do understand who China is. 0.91

00:40:26.440 They've made decisions.

00:40:28.000 They're not going back.

00:40:29.080 They punted their ambassador to France and said, it's an upgrade.

00:40:34.920 I mean, when is France an upgrade to China?

00:40:37.620 But that's what they said.

00:40:38.960 So it's going to escalate.

00:40:40.600 They will never, with this prime minister, they will never put their foot off the gas.

00:40:47.100 Our only hope is a new prime minister, a new, and from that point, new relationship could be set.

00:40:55.860 And from that point, those Canadians may come home, and from that point, maybe trade.

00:41:00.520 But they have already, as I have, they've already written off this prime minister.

00:41:07.220 They've already said, no more, nothing.

00:41:10.040 And they're going to escalate it.

00:41:11.820 Azra, you ask yourself.

00:41:13.840 They are informed.

00:41:15.320 They have lawyers.

00:41:16.280 They have been told.

00:41:17.580 They do know that Canada was in the middle of this extradition.

00:41:20.900 It has nothing to do with us except for our laws with America to assist them.

00:41:27.520 They know it's an American law that we're enforcing.

00:41:31.620 It's an American extradition.

00:41:33.760 But they have not taken one solitary act against America.

00:41:38.540 There are no Americans in jail.

00:41:40.560 There are no—because they know that this person is weak.

00:41:44.920 This person can't—the prime minister is weak.

00:41:47.160 The prime minister can't be trusted, and the prime minister is alone in the world, and the prime minister will relent if we keep pressure on.

00:41:55.060 And how does a prime minister put himself and a candidate in that position is beyond me.

00:42:00.640 You know, Manny, that is such a key point there.

00:42:02.520 This extradition is at the behest of the United States, but not for one second would they think of taking an American hostage.

00:42:11.200 So you took an American hostage with this president, you would see trillions of dollars of sanctions.

00:42:18.440 You would see the Chinese ambassador sent home from Washington.

00:42:22.680 You would see an aircraft carrier set sail, and President Xi knows that.

00:42:27.300 And that's why Xi Jinping—that's why they haven't touched Trump, because they—

00:42:33.100 And that's why they think they can push around Canada, because they have a weak prime minister who will say anything, do anything, and put himself ahead of his people, ahead of his economy.

00:42:47.880 They are very intelligent.

00:42:50.200 I mean, it is almost, you know, insulting to think that the Chinese are not as informed as any other person would be.

00:42:59.160 They've been doing diplomacy for 5,000 years.

00:43:01.520 I mean, this is not new to them.

00:43:04.420 And they know what they're doing.

00:43:05.640 They know what they're doing.

00:43:06.860 Well, just incredible.

00:43:08.620 And you're right.

00:43:09.940 Justin Trudeau's character will not change in the next six months.

00:43:13.860 And so China's calculations on how to deal with someone of his character will not change either. 0.91

00:43:19.620 Manny Montenegreno, what a pleasure to—I feel like you're a professor, and we are taking a master class.

00:43:25.820 You certainly helped us through the NAFTA process, and I think you really said a lot of interesting things today.

00:43:33.280 I'm going to re-watch this interview and pause it and contemplate it, because I learned a lot from you today, my friend, and I thank you for that.

00:43:40.780 No problem, Ezra.

00:43:41.560 Always glad to help.

00:43:42.800 All right.

00:43:43.300 There you have it.

00:43:43.880 Our friend Manny Montenegreno, the CEO of ThinkSharp.

00:43:47.100 And he joined us via Skype from our nation's capital.

00:43:49.940 Stay with us.

00:43:50.660 More ahead on The Rebel.

00:43:51.500 Hey, welcome back.

00:44:03.100 On my monologue yesterday, Keith writes,

00:44:06.180 United we stand, divided we fall.

00:44:07.640 The most important thing that we need to do is to get out of Trudeau's death grip.

00:44:13.480 Well, we've got five months to do it.

00:44:16.540 I saw a poll today that only 6% of people really like Trudeau.

00:44:19.380 I'm not surprised.

00:44:22.100 You know, most of the time it's a bell curve.

00:44:24.400 You know, some people hate a guy, more dislike him.

00:44:28.700 And then most people sort of, yeah, so-so in the middle.

00:44:31.100 And then some like him, and then very few really like him.

00:44:34.220 Like it's shaped like a bell, right?

00:44:35.540 They call that the bell curve.

00:44:37.480 With Trudeau, it's not that way.

00:44:40.060 More people hate him than just dislike him.

00:44:44.340 Can you believe that?

00:44:45.220 That's a fact.

00:44:45.860 Bruce writes, we can only hope and pray Trudeau keeps making costly mistakes in this campaign.

00:44:52.320 We also need to get on Scheer's case to the point where he realizes he's alienating his base.

00:44:57.360 Yeah, listen, parties on the right sometimes take advantage and say,

00:45:01.580 look, where are conservatives going to go?

00:45:03.380 Har, har, har.

00:45:04.080 They have to vote for us so we can tack to the left now.

00:45:07.220 Well, that's the thing.

00:45:08.420 Maxime Bernier, if he takes 1, 2, 3, 4, 5% of the vote,

00:45:12.040 because he's a true conservative and Andrew Scheer's gone namby-pamby,

00:45:16.100 well, that could cost the conservative party 10 seats.

00:45:19.900 Bernard writes,

00:45:21.080 I have not been following the rebel like I normally have been,

00:45:23.540 but after an extended absence, I tuned in the other day.

00:45:26.160 I like the distinguishing look your gray hair is offering us.

00:45:30.680 Bernard?

00:45:31.080 Bernard?

00:45:34.540 Thanks?

00:45:38.240 Maybe I'm smarter.

00:45:39.640 I think I'm forgetting things a little bit more.

00:45:43.060 But if that's what it took, that's what it takes.

00:45:47.660 All right.

00:45:48.900 Folks, that's the show for today.

00:45:50.080 On behalf of all of us here, I'm just joking around.

00:45:51.880 Listen, thank you.

00:45:52.640 I don't mind that little salt and pepper look.

00:45:54.280 A little salt and pepper.

00:45:55.240 Looking distinguished.

00:45:56.160 It makes me feel old.

00:45:57.660 I'm like twice as old as the average person here at the Rebel.

00:46:00.260 That's a fact.

00:46:01.880 You know, hey, Papa, they call me.

00:46:03.560 Papa.

00:46:05.560 Papa, it's time to do your show.

00:46:07.100 Hey, Papa, da-da.

00:46:08.160 And get a little bit of that.

00:46:09.180 Just a little bit.

00:46:10.680 All right.

00:46:11.160 Until next time, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters,

00:46:14.720 to you at home,

00:46:16.380 keep fighting for freedom while you still can.

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Rebel News Podcast - June 15, 2019

Jean Chretien tells Justin Trudeau to surrender to China. Will Trudeau do it？

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