Rebel News Podcast - “Jordan Peterson was right”： In Canada, it's against the law to call a girl a girl — even your own daughter.

00:00:00.000 Hey folks, I've got a troubling story out of B.C.

00:00:01.900 I've got to tell you, I first read about this in a U.S. website

00:00:04.800 and I almost didn't believe it because I thought, this is crazy.

00:00:08.700 It's happening in my own country of Canada,

00:00:10.840 yet I'm reading about it on a small website in America.

00:00:13.480 Can this be true?

00:00:14.840 Well, indeed it is true, and I found it reported in a Canadian source

00:00:18.060 that a man, a dad, has been ordered by a court

00:00:22.440 to call his 14-year-old daughter, who he brought into the world and named,

00:00:26.520 has been ordered by the court to call his 14-year-old daughter a boy

00:00:32.120 and to call his 14-year-old daughter by a boy's name that she has chosen.

00:00:37.660 And if he doesn't do so, he will be in contempt of court

00:00:40.660 and he will be, quote, committing family violence.

00:00:45.320 I know you don't believe a word of what I'm saying,

00:00:47.240 so let me just get straight to it and you can see my evidence for it.

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00:01:11.760 Okay, here's today's show.

00:01:13.960 You're listening to a Rebel Media podcast.

00:01:17.060 Tonight, Jordan Peterson was right.

00:01:19.360 It's literally against the law now to call a girl a girl

00:01:22.120 if she says she's a boy.

00:01:24.400 It's May 1st, and this is The S with The Man Show.

00:01:28.920 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:32.620 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:01:36.720 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it

00:01:40.240 is because it's my bloody right to do so.

00:01:42.560 It's been a couple of years now since Jordan Peterson,

00:01:51.160 the University of Toronto professor,

00:01:53.040 took a stand against politically correct censorship.

00:01:55.400 If you recall, it was Peterson's worry that he could be compelled

00:01:59.220 to call people by pronouns that they just weren't in reality.

00:02:03.420 Now, I know that sentence I just said would make no sense at all

00:02:07.320 to anyone in the world as recently as five years ago,

00:02:10.300 but it basically means that whole pronouns business.

00:02:12.900 It means if a man says you have to call him her,

00:02:16.940 and you didn't want to bend yourself to that command,

00:02:18.860 Peterson was worried that new laws could make that an illegal hate crime,

00:02:23.140 could make it punishable under various human rights laws

00:02:26.400 that protect gender identity and gender expression.

00:02:30.720 Two more phrases that would have been unintelligible

00:02:34.500 until just a few years ago, and are frankly unintelligible today,

00:02:38.440 but we all go along with it now as some sort of vocabulary

00:02:41.060 that we use to show how fashionable we are, how with it.

00:02:44.820 Let me show you what I mean, in case all these buzzwords,

00:02:47.440 this academic gobbledygook makes no sense to you.

00:02:50.400 I'm talking about this.

00:02:52.580 You're going to give me my money back.

00:02:54.020 Excuse me, sir, there's a young man in here.

00:02:56.680 Excuse me, it's ma'am. It is ma'am.

00:02:59.740 I can call the police if you'd like me to. You need to settle down.

00:03:02.620 You need to settle down and mind your business, okay?

00:03:05.460 Ma'am, once again, ma'am.

00:03:07.460 I said both of you.

00:03:08.680 No, you said sir. Once again, it's ma'am.

00:03:11.320 I actually said both of you guys. It was a general...

00:03:13.320 Right beforehand, you said sir.

00:03:15.640 Sir? Okay, I'm sorry.

00:03:17.780 Motherf***er, take it outside. 1.00

00:03:18.980 If you want to call me sir again, I will show you a f***ing sir. 1.00

00:03:21.960 I apologize. Motherf***er. 1.00

00:03:23.260 I apologize, ma'am. 0.99

00:03:23.980 I need your corporate number because I'm going to call them and talk about how I was misgendered several times in this store.

00:03:34.340 I apologize.

00:03:35.140 I need your corporate number now.

00:03:37.580 I need your corporate number now.

00:03:39.580 Get it for me now.

00:03:41.280 I'm going to ask you to calm down and stop cussing. 0.69

00:03:44.120 Get me your corporate number.

00:03:45.760 Well, I'm going to ask you for the fifth time to stop calling me a man because quite clearly I am not...

00:03:50.980 Hmm.

00:03:53.340 That's what I mean. He had a violent tantrum.

00:03:55.900 Now, he knocked some stuff over later as he stormed out, I should tell you.

00:03:59.900 Now, that's unacceptable.

00:04:01.120 And he was very rude.

00:04:02.580 But I think we can all admit that it's one very troubled human being.

00:04:06.700 And it's sad as much as angering.

00:04:08.760 And I think he was very rude to the store clerk who was trying to be friendly.

00:04:13.180 But Peterson wasn't worried about violence so much.

00:04:17.020 He was worried.

00:04:18.320 And he was called alarmist for worrying.

00:04:21.340 About the fact that the government, the state, could in fact compel you to use pronouns that you just don't believe in.

00:04:30.440 Calling a he a she. 1.00

00:04:33.300 Ma'am.

00:04:34.420 We can all have our own opinions.

00:04:36.340 And actually, Peterson has said that in some cases he would call a man a she if it was appropriate.

00:04:43.020 Out of courtesy or deference.

00:04:45.400 Just, you know, if he chose to do so.

00:04:48.440 As that clerk in that video game store was actually trying to be nice, by the way. 0.99

00:04:53.080 But it's the compulsion by the government that Peterson found objectionable.

00:04:56.760 As, indeed, I think we all should find it objectionable.

00:04:59.500 I think there are other areas of society where this is a battle, too.

00:05:03.680 I think it's atrocious that men are dominating women's sports just by, quote, identifying as women.

00:05:10.520 That's pretty much the antithesis of the word sport.

00:05:14.600 It's not a sport if a man beats a woman at wrestling or sprinting. 1.00

00:05:18.700 It's pretty much the opposite of sportsmanship.

00:05:20.820 It's cheating, actually.

00:05:21.720 But the threat Peterson was reacting to was the long arm of the law.

00:05:28.880 Well, what do you know?

00:05:30.060 A court, a court of law in British Columbia, and I mean a real court, not a kangaroo court from the Human Rights Commission.

00:05:36.100 A real court of law has literally ordered a B.C. father to stop calling his daughter a girl.

00:05:40.980 Oh, the court has ordered that the B.C. dad call his daughter a boy because she says she's a boy.

00:05:47.480 I'm not kidding.

00:05:48.260 Here's the story.

00:05:48.820 I've seen it reported in a few places.

00:05:50.460 I'm going to read it from Post Media because how the media itself is covering this story is as much a scandal as the story itself, I think.

00:05:58.740 Legal dispute between trans child and father takes new turn over freedom of expression.

00:06:05.200 That's a pretty straightforward headline.

00:06:06.840 That's the fairest thing about this story.

00:06:08.360 But let me read it a bit, and you'll immediately notice something's funny here.

00:06:11.580 Ready?

00:06:13.160 A messy legal dispute between a 14-year-old transgender boy and his father, who rejects the child's gender identity, has expanded into a fight over freedom of expression.

00:06:24.460 Okay, just to remind you, it's a girl.

00:06:27.700 It's a young teenage girl who says she's a boy, but she is a girl.

00:06:33.380 That's a true-false thing.

00:06:34.580 That's a matter of fact.

00:06:35.480 It's not an opinion thing.

00:06:36.360 She was born a girl.

00:06:38.700 When she arrived in the world 14 years ago, the doctor said, congratulations, it's a girl.

00:06:45.240 Her birth certificate says she's a girl.

00:06:47.460 Her anatomy is that of a girl. 0.99

00:06:49.540 Her DNA, if you get right down to the chromosomes, she's a girl. 0.99

00:06:53.580 Now, she can want to be a boy.

00:06:57.800 She can think it's cool to say she wants to be a boy.

00:07:00.720 She can be confused.

00:07:01.840 She can even go on drugs, which is exactly what actual doctors are doing these days to confuse teenagers now. 1.00

00:07:08.720 Hormones, in some case, doing irreversible damage to their bodies.

00:07:12.020 In the past, it was just called being a teenager.

00:07:14.080 Having a tough time with yourself, maybe.

00:07:15.820 Who knows? 0.99

00:07:16.440 Maybe you're gay and wrestling with that. 0.98

00:07:18.460 I don't know. 0.99

00:07:18.820 Maybe you just have a lot of hormones coursing through your body that you didn't have before.

00:07:23.020 Like I say, you're a teenager now, and it's tough.

00:07:27.160 But my point is post-media, which says it reports the news, by which it means it tells you the facts,

00:07:32.820 and that this is a news report, not an opinion column.

00:07:34.980 Post-media is calling this girl a boy.

00:07:37.040 It's just doing it.

00:07:38.260 It's just assuming that's how it is.

00:07:39.860 Out of what?

00:07:40.560 Is that science?

00:07:41.780 Is that political fashion?

00:07:42.840 Or is it out of fear of government prosecution, like Professor Peterson predicted?

00:07:47.620 Well, let me read some more.

00:07:50.580 In a recent decision, a B.C. Supreme Court judge ordered the father to stop publicly discussing the case

00:07:56.000 after finding some of his actions, including interviews with conservative media outlets.

00:08:00.620 Those are the worst, aren't they?

00:08:01.680 The conservative media outlets.

00:08:03.260 Exposed his child to significant harm and constituted family violence.

00:08:09.440 Family violence?

00:08:13.760 I know what violence means.

00:08:15.160 And family violence, well, I'm not sure if I know that as a specific term of art.

00:08:19.340 It's pretty plain in its meaning.

00:08:20.640 It sounds like someone, frankly, who beats their wife or kids.

00:08:24.420 It could be even worse.

00:08:25.240 Family violence.

00:08:26.380 I know some colorful characters in the world.

00:08:28.980 One or two of them have been in bar fights.

00:08:31.180 One or two of them have even been in jail.

00:08:32.900 But when you say a man is violent, family violence, though,

00:08:36.580 that is a low, low place.

00:08:40.460 Frankly, it implies someone who perhaps even abused his own children in some morally repugnant way.

00:08:45.020 Those are the kind of people that when you put them in a prison with the general population,

00:08:49.740 well, the other prisoners beat him up because he's beneath their own criminal moral code.

00:08:55.860 You tell me someone who's been found by a court to have been in a bar fight.

00:08:59.560 I'd say he should grow up.

00:09:01.480 He should stop going to bars.

00:09:02.700 He should control his temper.

00:09:03.760 However, you tell me someone who's been found to be engaging in family violence,

00:09:07.840 I immediately have a bit of a hatred for that person morally.

00:09:10.760 Who would be violent to their own family, for God's sakes?

00:09:14.880 Well, except that he wasn't.

00:09:17.640 That's just the odious term in this outrageous, outrageous B.C. court decision.

00:09:23.040 Again, a real judge, not a Human Rights Commission kangaroo court, fake judge,

00:09:26.180 but a real judge said he's family violent because the dad called his daughter a girl

00:09:33.540 and won't get with the new way of thinking and talking that Post Media is down with.

00:09:38.980 Of course, when the government takes note of violence,

00:09:42.700 when the law, when the courts, when the cops, not a real cop,

00:09:46.400 a court makes a finding of fact and deems someone to be violent,

00:09:49.380 well, of course, they must act on that.

00:09:50.760 Now, since the father obviously has not hit his daughter,

00:09:53.600 and the crime is obviously a thought crime, an idea crime,

00:09:57.060 not an actual violent crime,

00:09:59.240 well, since it's a word crime, the punishment should fit the crime,

00:10:03.000 and so it is.

00:10:04.120 He's been banned from talking about his daughter in public,

00:10:07.740 banned from calling her a girl,

00:10:10.720 banned from even saying it.

00:10:12.000 I wonder if they tried to ban him from thinking it.

00:10:15.260 It's really all that's left.

00:10:16.880 Get a load of this.

00:10:17.560 This is horrific.

00:10:18.160 I'm going to quote here.

00:10:18.700 The case started last year as a clash between child autonomy and parental rights

00:10:24.440 after undergoing multiple evaluations from a psychologist and staff at B.C. Children's Hospital.

00:10:29.200 The boy, with the support of his mother and health professionals,

00:10:33.060 wanted to proceed with hormone therapy to help transition from a female body to a male one. 1.00

00:10:38.660 You know the motto of doctors going back millennia?

00:10:42.060 I mean, going back to Greek times.

00:10:43.720 You know it's do no harm, right?

00:10:46.180 Have you ever heard that, the Hippocratic Oath?

00:10:48.020 Do no harm.

00:10:48.700 See, if you've got a confused 14-year-old, who I guess this probably started a year ago when I was 13.

00:10:54.600 That's okay.

00:10:55.340 You know, it's okay to be confused.

00:10:56.860 Who wasn't confused at age 14?

00:10:59.700 But it sure looks like she was weaponized here by people with an agenda.

00:11:03.840 Multiple consultations, eh?

00:11:05.860 Were they examining her or convincing her?

00:11:07.880 You know, this is what terrifies families, parents, about these secret gay-straight alliances in high school.

00:11:14.340 When I was in high school, there was never officially sanctioned sex clubs, sexuality clubs,

00:11:20.540 run by an adult teacher and coach where all the goings-on were kept secret from parents.

00:11:26.560 I can only imagine what's said and done in those child sexuality clubs led by an adult.

00:11:33.720 Probably one with an agenda.

00:11:36.260 Well, here you've got a 14-year-old who is literally going on drugs now to change who she is after consultations.

00:11:44.620 Hey, look, why not just give the gal a few years to figure things out? 0.99

00:11:49.980 Maybe she's gay, by the way. 0.98

00:11:52.100 Why are you trying to change her into a boy? 0.99

00:11:54.380 You can't, by the way.

00:11:56.060 Maybe she's just a tomboy. 1.00

00:11:58.760 The very fact that the father is now legally banned from even challenging this, querying this, disagreeing with this,

00:12:06.360 shows that this is so obviously a political move.

00:12:08.880 If it were a health care decision, you could debate health care decisions.

00:12:12.000 But the fact that the prescription here, the remedy, including a judge sewing the dad's mouth shut,

00:12:18.320 tells us the whole thing is politics.

00:12:20.720 Politics using this girl as a weapon. 0.97

00:12:22.700 How bitterly, terribly sad.

00:12:25.180 I'll read some more.

00:12:27.040 In February, the boy, I love that, who is in grade 9,

00:12:30.980 sought an order from the court recognizing that it was in his best interest to undergo treatment for gender dysphoria

00:12:37.080 and that he had the capacity to consent to such treatment.

00:12:40.160 Yeah, again, the reporter calls her a boy.

00:12:43.020 I'm sorry, I won't, even if I'm ordered by a court to say it,

00:12:46.860 I just won't say the moon is made out of cheese.

00:12:49.600 I won't believe you if you tell me you're actually the king of Spain.

00:12:52.940 I'm sorry, I have freedom of conscience and thought and believe,

00:12:55.680 and I have the right to tell you you're full of it.

00:12:58.100 Whether I tell you gently because you're my confused 14-year-old girl, 0.94

00:13:01.060 who's obviously stressed out by a family divorce and pressured by activists,

00:13:05.300 or whether you're a doctor doing literal human experiments on your patients,

00:13:09.400 or whether you're a court telling me I can or can't say things,

00:13:11.900 sorry, I'm still free or I'll die trying to be.

00:13:16.000 Listen to this, I'll read some more.

00:13:17.920 B.C. Supreme Court Justice Gregory Bowden subsequently granted the request,

00:13:22.420 including that there should not be any further delays to treatment.

00:13:25.200 So they're talking about the treatment now.

00:13:27.540 That's what they call turning a girl into a boy with drugs. 0.96

00:13:30.780 Citing the boy's risk of suicide.

00:13:32.800 Yeah, pump her full of drugs. 1.00

00:13:34.060 That'll reduce the suicide risk.

00:13:36.460 Bowden also went on to declare that any attempts to persuade the boy

00:13:39.460 to abandon treatment, addressing the boy by his birth name.

00:13:42.760 Can you imagine that?

00:13:44.260 Addressing the boy by his birth name,

00:13:46.540 as in calling her the name she was given,

00:13:48.420 or referring to the boy as a girl,

00:13:50.100 or with female pronouns,

00:13:51.540 shall be considered family violence.

00:13:56.000 Really.

00:13:57.640 So it's okay for strangers to persuade the girl she's not a girl, 0.93

00:14:02.140 but not for her dad who actually loves her,

00:14:06.120 helped to make her.

00:14:08.220 It's against the law for him to try and persuade her of anything,

00:14:11.080 even to call her by her legal name.

00:14:16.320 The dad can't even talk to his daughter anymore

00:14:18.300 without the state's intervention.

00:14:20.920 Can't call the girl the name he gave her when she was born.

00:14:23.540 It's like a forbidden word.

00:14:26.000 He literally is not allowed to call the girl by her legal name.

00:14:28.620 The name he gave her when she was born,

00:14:29.840 the government says so.

00:14:31.120 The government.

00:14:32.060 This is Stalinist stuff.

00:14:33.720 This is Maoist stuff.

00:14:35.420 So the dad is obviously frustrated.

00:14:37.320 Who wouldn't be frustrated?

00:14:38.400 Beyond frustrated.

00:14:39.180 Wouldn't you be?

00:14:40.160 What a Kafka-esque world.

00:14:42.420 Let me read this one last passage.

00:14:43.960 The father argued his public commentary was essential to society

00:14:50.340 and his rights as a parent.

00:14:52.480 He said the case has turned into a dispute,

00:14:54.680 not with his child,

00:14:55.640 but with activists who want to take away his rights.

00:14:59.400 That seems obvious to me.

00:15:01.660 Those arguments didn't fly with B.C. Supreme Court Justice

00:15:04.720 Francesca Mazzari.

00:15:05.960 Even though the father kept his child's identity anonymous in his public comments,

00:15:11.400 his conduct still put the child at high risk of exposure,

00:15:14.740 violence, bullying, and harassment, the judge found.

00:15:18.240 Yeah, either that or a girl turning into a boy. 0.53

00:15:20.420 Maybe that is what is the antenna here.

00:15:23.080 Let me read some more.

00:15:23.680 Lord Marzari noted that the father's public sharing of information about the case

00:15:27.820 had exposed the child to degrading and violent public commentary

00:15:30.840 and that the father was essentially using his child

00:15:33.640 to promote his own interests above those of the child.

00:15:37.620 Again, the fake use of the word violent.

00:15:39.980 Violent public commentary.

00:15:41.180 Well, which is it?

00:15:41.780 Violence or commentary?

00:15:42.860 Because those are two different things.

00:15:44.900 What does it even mean?

00:15:46.880 Promoting his interests over the child?

00:15:48.960 Unlike those consultants and busybodies, eh?

00:15:51.400 Look, all he cares about is the child.

00:15:53.360 I think he cares about the child maybe even a tiny bit more than the judge does.

00:15:57.980 Who is this?

00:15:58.840 There's two judges here.

00:15:59.840 There's Bowdoin and there's this Francesca Mazzari.

00:16:02.120 Who's she? 0.97

00:16:02.760 I'm going to quote her boastful biography.

00:16:05.220 They published this when Justin Trudeau put her on the court two years ago.

00:16:10.880 Her longtime involvement with West Coast LEAF,

00:16:13.780 that's a feminist legal action group, 1.00

00:16:16.560 began as a law student,

00:16:17.840 although her commitment to the intersection of feminism and the law

00:16:21.760 may well have begun at birth.

00:16:25.740 LEAF is that feminist pressure group. 1.00

00:16:28.440 Let me read some more.

00:16:30.680 Justice Mazzari will be bringing to her courtroom

00:16:32.740 the experience of being a mother of young children,

00:16:35.880 a daughter of the culture wars of the 1960s.

00:16:39.520 They weren't wrong on that, were they?

00:16:44.300 You know, there are many injustices in the world.

00:16:46.900 I talk about them every day.

00:16:49.000 But if I'm honest, most of the world's injustices are abstract in my real life.

00:16:53.480 I hate watching this video here.

00:16:55.580 This is what's going on in Venezuela.

00:16:56.840 We showed you this recently,

00:16:58.660 the killing of innocent civilians by the Maduro regime.

00:17:01.220 I hate this.

00:17:01.920 This really bothers me.

00:17:02.960 It stresses me out.

00:17:03.760 But, you know, in real life, I'm only offended in my mind.

00:17:07.520 It actually isn't affecting my life in any way.

00:17:10.220 I don't know anyone in Venezuela.

00:17:12.200 I have no connection there.

00:17:13.520 If it's bothering me, I can just turn off the TV if I like.

00:17:17.060 I mean, I'm upset for things beyond my reach,

00:17:20.480 but I can turn it off.

00:17:22.000 But imagine having a crisis in your own home,

00:17:25.920 your own house, with your own family,

00:17:27.840 your own daughter, your own blood, 0.73

00:17:30.440 and having strangers and mad scientist doctors

00:17:32.880 turning your 14-year-old girl into a boy with injections.

00:17:38.860 By the way, more than 50% of trans people

00:17:41.500 who go through that hormone therapy

00:17:43.480 later attempt to commit suicide.

00:17:45.520 It's actually higher if you pump them full of drugs.

00:17:49.280 That's the highest risk.

00:17:51.180 This is not helping that girl.

00:17:53.540 This is not helping.

00:17:56.260 Imagine this is happening to you.

00:17:57.700 Forget about what's going on in Venezuela far away.

00:18:00.100 This is happening to you, your life.

00:18:01.760 You're outraged, but you're helpless,

00:18:03.900 and there's a pawn and a divorce going on,

00:18:06.020 and the child is stressed.

00:18:07.460 You ask for help.

00:18:08.480 You call for help.

00:18:09.620 No help comes.

00:18:10.780 In fact, when the state comes,

00:18:12.620 when the system comes, it's against you.

00:18:14.820 And not only will they not give you what you want,

00:18:16.440 but they tell you you can't ask for it anymore.

00:18:18.120 If you say a word, you're against the law.

00:18:20.060 And then the government itself, the courts themselves,

00:18:22.440 say you can't talk about it.

00:18:23.920 You can't even call your dear daughter a girl,

00:18:25.720 or you'll risk contempt of court.

00:18:27.380 You'll risk jail.

00:18:28.600 That's what happens if you defy a court order.

00:18:31.420 Jail would happen for calling your 14-year-old daughter a girl.

00:18:35.640 Jail.

00:18:37.960 Jordan Peterson was right.

00:18:39.120 And I'm not sure if I recognize Canada,

00:18:43.220 at least this small corner.

00:18:45.240 Do you?

00:18:47.180 Stay with us for more.

00:18:48.500 Jail.

00:18:49.100 Well, the British Columbia government is rushing to court

00:19:06.260 on an emergency basis demanding an injunction of sorts

00:19:12.040 against the province of Alberta.

00:19:14.380 Jason Kenney contemplating legislation that would turn off the taps

00:19:18.940 of oil and gas to British Columbia,

00:19:21.560 as he and others around him joke.

00:19:24.440 I suppose Kenney himself hasn't said it,

00:19:26.180 but the joke is if B.C. wants to get carbon neutral by 2050,

00:19:30.620 well, we can help him do that by 2020.

00:19:33.040 But what's so incredible is the legal arguments being put

00:19:37.000 before the courts to derail Kenney's plans.

00:19:40.700 And joining us now to describe those arguments and the delicious irony of them

00:19:44.940 is our friend Lauren Gunter, senior columnist with the Edmonton Sun.

00:19:48.620 Lauren, great to see you again.

00:19:50.020 We were just joking before we turned the camera on of the chutzpah.

00:19:53.660 You know, one of the jokey definitions of chutzpah is,

00:19:57.060 and it's a little bit dark, it's someone who murders their parents

00:20:00.160 and then asks the judge for mercy because he's an orphan now.

00:20:04.920 I think that kind of chutzpah applies to the B.C. government running to court.

00:20:09.480 Tell our viewers, what's their argument for why they say a court should stop

00:20:14.040 Jason Kenney from turning off the taps to B.C.?

00:20:16.240 So the day that the Alberta cabinet was sworn in,

00:20:19.460 the new Alberta cabinet was sworn in,

00:20:21.520 and then immediately proclaimed the turn off the taps law,

00:20:26.640 the B.C. government went into apoplexy and rushed to court and said,

00:20:31.420 you can't do this because the Constitution prevents you from restricting the flow of refined goods

00:20:41.740 across provincial boundaries.

00:20:44.260 Well, you know, it works for refined goods.

00:20:46.880 It also works for unrefined goods.

00:20:49.060 There is nothing in the Constitution that separates refined from unrefined.

00:20:53.460 And the argument that the B.C. government is making is it can be used against them just as readily,

00:21:01.720 that they are blocking the interprovincial trade of goods,

00:21:06.800 bitumen coming down a pipeline.

00:21:09.600 And so I think this is hilarious.

00:21:11.340 I say let them come.

00:21:12.700 Let them make this argument because it's just going to be fun to watch it then turned around and used on them.

00:21:18.280 Yeah, well, it'll be a test on whether or not just how political our courts are. 1.00

00:21:23.000 I've learned from my observations of any political case is that judges will find a way to finesse the outcome that they want,

00:21:31.080 and they'll give it legal backing.

00:21:32.200 They can, yeah.

00:21:33.320 Yeah, they can.

00:21:34.500 I mean, it is a bit of chutzpah for B.C. to say, don't turn off the taps,

00:21:41.380 because John Horgan, the premier, was panicked that that would cause the price of gasoline that's already around $2 to go even higher.

00:21:49.840 There's $1.80 there.

00:21:51.060 Go ahead.

00:21:52.040 There's $1.80 there on April 30th.

00:21:54.140 And the estimate from a person I talked to inside the Alberta government is because we supply them with 55% to 70% of their gasoline and diesel in B.C.,

00:22:06.540 the price would go to at minimum $2.20 and probably as high as close to $3.

00:22:12.080 And, yes, over time they could arrange for some trains to bring in more from the states or more trucks to bring in.

00:22:19.280 But for two, four, six weeks, it would be really, really tight in B.C.

00:22:25.760 And earlier when they brought a court application against the turn off the taps bill,

00:22:30.840 so the NDP introduced it last year, passed it last year, but didn't proclaim it.

00:22:36.720 And in that process, B.C. went to court then, and some of the documents they provided then said there would be civil unrest in B.C.

00:22:45.880 If Alberta turned out, great, let's have a little civil unrest. 1.00

00:22:50.340 I believe it.

00:22:50.920 You know, it reminds me of during the Jimmy Carter era, or I guess in the 73 oil shocks,

00:22:56.780 and then there was another oil shock later in the late 70s, gas stations ran out.

00:23:04.480 They ran out.

00:23:05.120 They were rationing because they only had a certain amount of gallons of gas down there.

00:23:09.440 And you know what?

00:23:10.260 It couldn't happen to nicer people.

00:23:11.500 I love British Columbians.

00:23:12.900 I love Vancouverites especially, wonderful people.

00:23:16.020 But they're going along with this whole shtick that they're morally superior and that they're greener than the rest of us.

00:23:21.540 Well, okay, let's get you to carbon-free right away.

00:23:24.040 You guys want to sue the fossil fuel companies, which they're talking about?

00:23:27.200 Hey, no need for a trial.

00:23:29.380 You guys are right.

00:23:30.280 We should totally get rid of carbon dioxide and fossil fuels starting not 20 years from now.

00:23:36.300 That's right.

00:23:36.840 Let's start 20 days.

00:23:38.060 Let's start 20 minutes from now.

00:23:39.400 Hey, guys, you've got the only bicycling weather in the country anyways, so break out the old bike.

00:23:45.960 Enjoy this gorgeous spring in Vancouver. 0.83

00:23:49.040 A couple of other examples of BC's hypocrisy.

00:23:52.960 Of course, probably sometime next year, maybe in 2021, Victoria will stop dumping millions of liters of raw sewage into the Pacific Ocean.

00:24:02.560 But at the moment, they do that, and they don't really like to be reminded of that.

00:24:09.160 But Vancouver is the largest port for U.S. coal exports on the West Coast.

00:24:17.120 It's larger than Long Beach.

00:24:18.280 It's larger than San Francisco or Portland or Seattle.

00:24:20.860 It is the largest port on the West Coast for American coal, and it's largely soft coal.

00:24:29.020 So it's the dirtiest kind of coal that there is.

00:24:31.500 And as those tens of millions of tons come across the line from the United States to the port of Vancouver, they are charged no carbon tax.

00:24:40.740 So, you know, here you have the BC government is quite happy to have that going on, but it doesn't want bitumen.

00:24:52.000 It's quite happy to have liquid natural gas go along the same tank of roots as our bitumen supplies, because LNG is theirs.

00:25:00.500 Bitumen is ours. 0.76

00:25:01.900 You know, over and over and over again, they have been hypocritical on this issue.

00:25:06.780 I'm glad you reminded me about the coal.

00:25:09.540 From time to time, I like to visit White Rock, which is south of Vancouver.

00:25:14.460 It's a beautiful little community right on the water.

00:25:17.700 Nice boardwalk, fish and chips, ice cream.

00:25:19.800 But every half hour, a huge train, one of an American train, I forget, BNSF, a huge, huge American train comes up from the States.

00:25:34.800 Because you can't hear as it passes through White Rock.

00:25:38.540 The whole town shuts down for a minute, every half hour.

00:25:41.740 And it's just going up to that special coal terminal that's nothing but coal.

00:25:45.920 And I got nothing against it.

00:25:47.280 I'm just saying it's a bit of, like I say, chutzpah for the people who love the most carbon-intensive fuel in the world.

00:25:53.920 By the way, I'm totally pro-coal.

00:25:56.080 But it's a bit of chutzpah for those folks to say, we don't want your oil and gas.

00:26:00.440 Yeah.

00:26:00.820 I mean, that's my point.

00:26:02.300 I don't say stop the coal shipments.

00:26:04.320 I don't even say charge the coal shipments of carbon tax.

00:26:07.700 I don't think they should be charging carbon taxes, period, on anything.

00:26:10.320 So I would just like to see the B.C. government treat Alberta bitumen and oil with the same welcoming arms that they treat American coal.

00:26:20.560 You know, I'm not sure how much time you ever spend down there, but White Rock that I mentioned is so close to the U.S. border.

00:26:27.020 There's something called the Peace Arch, which it's right.

00:26:30.020 I mean, White Rock, you can see into America.

00:26:31.860 Yeah, yeah, that's right.

00:26:32.560 And so many Canadians drive down to Bellingham to the Costco there, fill up their car with gas.

00:26:37.860 It's, you save 30, 40 bucks for making a 15, 20-minute journey into the States.

00:26:42.360 So if Canada cut off Vancouver, two things would happen.

00:26:45.980 Everyone would go to the States to fill up.

00:26:47.800 But you would be punishing ordinary British Columbians, which I'm averse to doing.

00:26:52.620 I don't want to hang the sins of John Horgan and the political class around the necks of every British Columbia, most of whom are normal people, aren't even political.

00:27:01.540 But what it would do is like a splash of cold water to the face.

00:27:05.360 It would shake you awake.

00:27:06.600 And I don't, I mean, Lauren, I don't want to hurt ordinary British Columbians.

00:27:11.160 I don't think ordinary British Columbians are the problem.

00:27:13.500 But if you were to slap that province with 30 days of cold water in the face on this issue, you know what it would do?

00:27:21.320 It would just stop them from playing that card again.

00:27:26.160 It would stop them.

00:27:27.040 And you know what it would also do is always say, so you just got your carbon tax green shift.

00:27:33.200 Trudeau, Catherine McKenna, Stéphane Dion 10 years ago used to say, tax bad behavior, punish carbon, stop making pollution free.

00:27:43.300 So punish people so they do less of it.

00:27:45.640 Well, you jack up the price of gas to three, four bucks because you cut it off.

00:27:49.420 OK, that's what the carbon tax was supposed to do.

00:27:51.820 Oh, you guys don't like it.

00:27:53.060 So you've undermined the entire premise of the carbon tax.

00:27:55.680 I'm all for a 30 day performance art, political, social experiment called let the Vancouverites get to know their bikes again.

00:28:06.240 Yeah, exactly.

00:28:07.100 And, you know, I remember one time someone from Reason magazine, which is a libertarian magazine in the United States, went to cover the meeting of the Sierra Club.

00:28:17.220 And the first thing that he was struck by was the number of full sized SUVs in the parking lot that had been driven there by directors.

00:28:26.320 So there they were.

00:28:27.300 You know, they're going to tell you all about how you should live your life.

00:28:30.480 But they were not living it the same way.

00:28:32.780 And that that to me is a lot of what's happening on the West Coast.

00:28:36.380 Did you have all these people who think they want to stop climate change, who think that carbon emissions are wrong?

00:28:41.500 But but they don't have a unified idea of what that means.

00:28:46.100 It doesn't mean higher taxes for them.

00:28:48.800 It doesn't mean inconvenience in their lives.

00:28:51.380 It would have to for it to be real.

00:28:53.740 But it doesn't mean any of those things.

00:28:55.320 Then they'll pick and choose which of the things they don't want to see and then feel really smug and self-righteous.

00:29:01.560 Yeah.

00:29:01.920 And I think they're building a special jet fuel pipeline just for that airport.

00:29:05.760 I love the Vancouver Airport in my mind, not only is it beautiful and convenient, but it's the gateway to so much of the world.

00:29:14.180 When I think Vancouver Airport, I think something exciting.

00:29:17.420 You're going to Asia.

00:29:18.460 You're doing something.

00:29:19.280 You're going down to L.A.

00:29:20.440 You I mean, they wouldn't live without that airport for 10 minutes.

00:29:24.360 They all are hooked on it.

00:29:25.900 Well, what do you think jet fuel is other than one of the most carbon intensive fuels there is?

00:29:29.700 I think they need a bit of an attitude readjustment.

00:29:32.680 But, you know, I hope they can get it without us cutting off the supply.

00:29:37.420 I really do.

00:29:38.120 I hope that there there's some good sense that that overtakes the government because thousands of British Columbians who really have stopped hating Alberta oil and stopped hating the pipeline now need to phone their their BCMLAs and tell them, look, let's get over.

00:29:55.600 Let's get this over with before it comes to a shut off.

00:29:58.780 But I'm glad that Jason Kenney, as his first act as premier, proclaimed the Turn Off the Taps Act because it has certainly awakened the British Columbia government.

00:30:10.560 Yeah.

00:30:10.860 You know, there's so many things to talk about.

00:30:12.980 But would you permit me another anecdote that comes to mind?

00:30:16.400 Bill Whittle, the very thoughtful American YouTuber.

00:30:19.480 He had a thought experiment.

00:30:21.960 I don't think he meant it for real, but it was such a useful thought experiment.

00:30:25.220 He said, wouldn't it be something if every year or even, frankly, just once in your life, you had to go three days without industrial luxuries, three days without electricity, three days where you had to make your own fire, make your own shelter, get your own food.

00:30:42.940 Not long enough that you'd really starve or even die of thirst, but long enough that you would realize what a miracle it is.

00:30:50.400 And you can Google it really quickly.

00:30:52.580 It's a wonderful thought experiment about how we're so isolated from how things work.

00:30:56.960 I like to joke that people, you ask people, well, where does electricity come from?

00:31:00.500 They say, duh, from the plug in the wall.

00:31:02.700 Where does food come from?

00:31:03.900 Duh, the freezer.

00:31:05.200 No, but before that, duh, the grocery store.

00:31:07.320 And people are so disconnected from where their high industrial lifestyle, especially in Vancouver, which is such a leading edge city, they don't realize it comes from mining and forestry and oil and gas and steel.

00:31:21.460 And they should know it because in the center of that city is the mighty port.

00:31:25.800 Yeah, you've got that coal terminal off to the side, but all throughout, you see the tankers and the freighters and stuff coming in.

00:31:32.900 They should know, they should see by looking at their gleaming towers, the heavy industry, but let them live without their luxuries for three days and they'd never complain about capitalism again.

00:31:44.480 Yeah, no, I think that's absolutely right.

00:31:46.020 And there just is this disconnect, and the grocery store is the one I use all the time, between what we do, how we live, and what sustains that.

00:31:58.000 And, you know, it's like Quebecers and equalization payments.

00:32:01.940 They have cheap daycare and cheap tuition at universities because of equalization payments.

00:32:08.560 And then they scoff and scorn and say, no, no, we're not going to take your oil in a pipeline.

00:32:13.900 Where do you think the money comes from?

00:32:15.640 Yeah.

00:32:16.320 Well, Lauren, I wanted to talk to you a little bit about the new Kenny cabinet, but I don't think we have time.

00:32:21.040 And I know your time is precious.

00:32:22.660 I'm always grateful that you give us so much of it.

00:32:24.460 But I do want to talk just for a minute, and if I had to choose all the different cabinet positions, we've got Sonia Savage, who's the energy minister, just absolutely brilliant choice. 1.00

00:32:35.180 She was fighting the anti-pipeline activist for years at a pipeline.

00:32:40.460 Just so, she knows that file, a tremendous mastery of it.

00:32:46.000 There's some really great picks there, but can I focus on just one?

00:32:49.580 And I think it's because I've never heard of this before, but there is a minister for red tape reduction.

00:32:59.640 He's from Tabor Warner, which is about as right-wing as you get in the world.

00:33:05.320 Do you know Grant Hunter?

00:33:06.320 I think you were saying before we turned on the camera that you're familiar with him.

00:33:08.820 What can you tell us about Grant Hunter, the minister for red tape reduction?

00:33:11.640 He's a solid guy, very down to earth, old wild roser, and he just doesn't – he won't take any prisoners. 0.97

00:33:19.660 They're going to find ways to speed up the approval for new wells that you want to drill.

00:33:25.640 They're going to find ways to cut down on all of the inspections that you're going to need, many of which are redundant and some of which are probably unnecessary.

00:33:37.620 When you're starting a new business, you need a permit, you're going to get it.

00:33:41.000 And that change in mentality more than anything else – his task is to reduce red tape by a third.

00:33:48.140 I'm not sure he's going to be able to do that.

00:33:49.700 But just the idea that red tape is in the way and we acknowledge that and we want to be business friendly is going to be a huge change from the outgoing government.

00:33:57.940 And even a huge change from, say, the Redford Tories who were in before the NDP.

00:34:02.480 You know, here in Ontario, Doug Ford has taken a red tape reduction approach and he makes little micro announcements that are so small.

00:34:11.360 But if you actually listen to him, like he says, okay, truckers no longer have to do this, this, and this.

00:34:17.000 And like he'll eliminate 10 little things and this will save a million and that will save 5 million.

00:34:23.680 Like we're not talking billions, but you just say, really?

00:34:26.620 We were forcing truckers to do those 22 things all the time just because – and I'm sure every one of them had some rationale.

00:34:34.720 But altogether, it's like scraping barnacles off a ship.

00:34:38.660 You can't believe how many they were on it.

00:34:40.700 I think those little things is going to make the difference.

00:34:44.120 It just reduces the irritation level.

00:34:46.600 And then people comply with what's left.

00:34:48.740 But they feel like you're on their side, that you're making it easier for them to do business so they do more business.

00:34:54.760 Yeah. You know, I think that's part of Trump's effect is that he hasn't done everything he said he would do.

00:35:00.920 But you know, at the very least, things won't get worse.

00:35:05.220 At the very least, he won't try and put your coal plant out of business.

00:35:08.440 He won't try and shut down your drilling.

00:35:10.180 Maybe he'll actually help you, but the war on industry is over.

00:35:13.560 And I think it's the same with Doug Ford.

00:35:14.920 I don't know if he's actually going to achieve things, but you know he's not against you now.

00:35:18.880 And it's the same with Jason Kenney.

00:35:20.520 I think it's going to be a very interesting time here in Alberta.

00:35:23.320 Yeah. All right. Well, thanks for your time and your views.

00:35:26.600 Another time, we'll have to go through more of the very interesting list of cabinet.

00:35:30.880 I'm sure that they'll start weighing in right away.

00:35:33.560 Let me ask, let me throw one more question.

00:35:35.100 Let me steal one more question from you.

00:35:38.400 I believe that the first hundred days are so important for Kenney and his team to show not only that they have a plan and are ready to go,

00:35:48.040 but that they meant it, not only to keep the promise, but to put their opponents on the back foot so that their opponents don't know, don't have time to,

00:35:57.980 even their opponents within the bureaucracy still.

00:36:00.960 I think they've got to do more in the next hundred days than, frankly, they've got to start more in the next hundred days than in the rest of their term combined if they're serious about winning.

00:36:10.080 That's my own view.

00:36:10.780 Maybe I'm just saying the obvious.

00:36:11.940 And I think then they have to stick with their plan as they get closer and closer to the next election.

00:36:17.440 There is, of course, going to be the same voices that we heard in this election wailing and moaning and crying about how awful the Kenney government has been.

00:36:28.140 And there's always a temptation among politicians to listen to their opponents more than to their own – the voices in their own heads or to their own friends.

00:36:36.620 And they just have to resist that.

00:36:38.680 I think Jason's very good at that, frankly, as he's very good not listening to the chattering classes and to the opposition. 1.00

00:36:47.620 But, yeah, it's very important.

00:36:49.060 But day one, they've got B.C. on their hind foot, so that's pretty good.

00:36:53.700 That's a good point.

00:36:54.440 We've got to keep an eye peeled for his appointments, too.

00:36:57.320 I think that Jason Kenney needs a loyal opposition, so to speak, that he's not going to get from the NDP on the left.

00:37:04.600 He's not going to get from the CBC on the left.

00:37:06.920 I see, for example, my old colleague Mark Cameron being appointed by Kenney.

00:37:12.040 Mark Cameron has spent the last half decade being a carbon tax advocate.

00:37:15.640 I'm concerned about that.

00:37:16.840 I know the CBC won't complain.

00:37:19.160 I know the NDP won't complain.

00:37:21.640 So I believe it's up to Alberta patriots like you and conservative activists like us to say things, to criticize in good faith where the other guys won't.

00:37:31.840 On the other side from Mark Cameron, and Mark Cameron's a decent guy, but he got caught up in that whole consumption taxes, carbon taxes are better than income taxes thing.

00:37:44.160 We'll watch Mark Cameron.

00:37:46.460 But on the other side, Kenney has brought back a guy named Grant Sprague as the deputy minister of energy.

00:37:52.720 Now, Grant was a very good deputy minister of energy.

00:37:55.460 He warned the New Democrats that their climate leadership plan would kick in all of these power purchase agreements, would force all these big utilities to return the contracts.

00:38:07.000 And that would cost the taxpayers – it would end up costing taxpayers about $3 billion.

00:38:10.780 And he warned them about that, and they wouldn't listen to him, and they pushed him aside.

00:38:17.460 And he was on Kenney's transition team, and he's now back in as deputy minister of energy, which means somebody who understands the energy industry is now the deputy minister again.

00:38:26.160 Okay, well, that's good news.

00:38:27.800 We've got to watch these things, Lorne, because you know the CBC won't.

00:38:31.460 Great to see you, my friend.

00:38:32.280 Thanks for giving us so much of your time, as you always do.

00:38:35.140 You bet.

00:38:35.600 All right, take care.

00:38:36.980 That's Lorne Gunder from the Edmonton Sun.

00:38:38.920 I appreciate his point of view.

00:38:40.900 Stay with us.

00:38:41.860 More ahead on The Rebel.

00:38:54.040 Hey, welcome back.

00:38:54.860 I'm my monologue yesterday about the latest in the SNC-Lavalin scandal.

00:38:59.500 Peter writes,

00:39:01.160 Wow, if the CBC is reporting on SNC illegally donating to the Liberal Party, the Trudeau-loving CBC, then Trudeau is really in trouble.

00:39:08.300 Yeah, I mean, I think this is the first negative story they've written about Justin Trudeau ever.

00:39:15.040 Now, let me limit that a little bit by saying they didn't link it to Trudeau.

00:39:21.180 They note that most of the donations predated Trudeau.

00:39:24.600 But still, I'm sure there were some screaming phone calls being shouted down the phone from the PMO to CBC headquarters.

00:39:32.760 I think you're right.

00:39:34.920 Stephen writes,

00:39:36.160 Elections Canada, like every other institution, is liberal and will do whatever it takes to suppress the bad.

00:39:40.400 Yeah, that's quite amazing.

00:39:42.520 You know that Rachel Notley's handpicked election commissioner in Alberta, Notley's gone, but the commissioner is still there, is prosecuting us in a whole manner of ways because we put up a billboard, which is our right to do so as journalists.

00:39:55.340 So that's prosecuted.

00:39:57.680 But thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of illegal donations, not only not prosecuted, kept secret.

00:40:07.360 Yeah.

00:40:08.700 Michael writes,

00:40:09.320 Do you notice that when Trudeau was demeaning the people of the fundraiser, that everyone in the room found it funny?

00:40:14.800 Speaks volumes of the mentality of the crowd.

00:40:17.780 I did notice that.

00:40:19.660 They were all in on it.

00:40:21.540 But what, but the joke's also on them.

00:40:24.300 It's super gross that they were in on his abuse of the Grassy Narrows activists.

00:40:28.920 But they're, so they were in on that.

00:40:31.560 You're right.

00:40:32.660 But what does he say?

00:40:34.020 He talked about we're helping the middle class.

00:40:36.720 So like he just started playing his old message tracks and he said, thank you for your donation.

00:40:41.820 What's funny about that, if I, so there's several layers of, of note here.

00:40:46.720 But one is when he was done that speech and started going through the crowd, do you doubt he said those exact same words to his friends?

00:40:55.780 Thank you for your donation, Liberal Party.

00:40:57.960 You know, yes, we're going to work on the middle class.

00:41:00.060 Yes, like, so what he said as an insult with a sneer is no different from what he says to the people he likes, because the whole thing's a con.

00:41:11.020 As his ex-boyfriend Paul Wells says, he's an imposter.

00:41:15.740 On the Trudeau family filling sandbags, because that's what you do when you've got a six-year-old.

00:41:19.880 You take him to a crisis flood zone to fill sandbags, because he's going to be more help than harm.

00:41:25.080 Kathleen writes, it was the height of sexist discrimination that young Ella Grasse was not helping fill sandbags. 1.00

00:41:31.620 It's 2019.

00:41:32.720 Doesn't JT know that 10-year-old girls are just as capable of doing manual labor as their 11- and 5-year-old brothers? 0.92

00:41:38.580 You are right.

00:41:40.080 Come on, it's 2019.

00:41:41.880 I think the girl probably said, yeah, Dad, I'm going to go do kid stuff and you go do your photo op stuff.

00:41:48.740 I think she had common sense.

00:41:50.740 And, of course, yes, Sophie Gregoire Trudeau, she doesn't do anything that yucky.

00:41:54.900 She's probably on the phone to the Aga Khan's princess daughter now trying to get some more free stuff. 0.98

00:42:00.860 That's our show for today.

00:42:02.920 Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, good night.

00:42:06.880 Keep fighting for freedom.

00:42:18.740 Good night.

00:42:20.940 Good night.

00:42:22.560 Good night.

Rebel News Podcast - May 02, 2019

“Jordan Peterson was right”： In Canada, it's against the law to call a girl a girl — even your own daughter.

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