Rebel News Podcast - Left for dead by Islamic terrorists, today she fights against them (Guest： Kay Wilson in Jerusalem)

00:00:00.680 Hello, Rebels. You're listening to a free audio-only recording of my show, The Gun Show.

00:00:06.620 My guest tonight is a woman I met when the Rebel team was in Israel last year.

00:00:12.800 She's British-Israeli author and public speaker Kay Wilson.

00:00:17.160 She survived a Palestinian terror attack that left her friend Christine Lucan dead.

00:00:22.620 Kay discusses the harrowing tale of survival and healing in her new book, The Rage Less Traveled.

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00:01:24.780 You're listening to a Rebel Media podcast.

00:01:28.040 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're watching The Gunn Show, Alberta Election Edition.

00:01:39.640 Well, I knew the NDP would go low and personal in this election campaign.

00:01:45.200 You can't run on job creation, economic growth, fighting for Alberta pipelines, or fiscal competence either.

00:02:10.680 But the depths to which the NDP have sunk, I think they've surprised even me.

00:02:17.480 And I've got to be honest with you here, I didn't think I could have a lower opinion of the NDP than I already had.

00:02:24.980 But here I am.

00:02:26.560 The campaign started with Rachel Notley saying that Jason Kenney might not be racist,

00:02:33.100 but he has a problem with racism in his party.

00:02:37.220 Then the NDP accused Jason Kenney of homophobia in an attack ad.

00:02:43.840 Then they accused an Oxford-educated UCP candidate named Kaylin Ford of being a white supremacist.

00:02:51.180 The NDP and their proxies in the mainstream media then accused an Iraqi Christian immigrant

00:02:58.580 who was also a UCP candidate, a woman named Eva Kyriakos, of being Islam.

00:03:04.160 And I had to go through this entire year of theжvelDoes.

00:03:08.200 Can we hear you?

00:03:08.860 I know your country.

00:03:10.300 Yeah.

00:03:10.880 We know

00:03:11.360 I guess we have a country here on?

00:03:11.800 Yes.

00:03:12.680 What time?

00:03:13.500 In the country of NDP.

00:03:13.720 In the country of NDP?

00:03:14.300 In what?

00:03:14.800 In the country of NDP.

00:03:15.400 In the country of NDP.

00:03:16.540 In the country of NDP.

00:03:16.560 In the country of NDP.

00:03:16.740 In the country of National Leadership-Career.

00:03:17.520 In the country of NDP.

00:03:18.160 In the country of NDP.

00:03:18.700 In America.

00:03:23.060 Yeah.

00:03:23.960 In the country of NDP.

00:03:26.900 Yeah.

00:03:28.140 you should be angry.

00:03:29.000 officer.

00:03:30.680 Anyway.

00:03:32.360 fucking sayurity.

00:03:32.820 Now he took their향 cargo.

00:03:33.760 I was stuck with him under the blouse.

00:03:38.760 I was walking.

00:03:41.760 And that's it.

00:03:43.760 I was stuck with him.

00:03:45.760 And we took him from this side.

00:03:48.760 I was stuck with him.

00:03:50.760 And I was stuck with him from the other side.

00:03:54.760 In a while, did you talk about something?

00:03:57.760 Yes.

00:03:58.760 What did you do?

00:04:00.760 I was stuck with him.

00:04:03.760 You were stuck with him?

00:04:04.760 Yes.

00:04:12.760 From here?

00:04:17.760 Where did you come from?

00:04:19.760 Under the blouse.

00:04:21.760 When I arrived, I was stuck in front of me.

00:04:24.760 What did you do?

00:04:25.760 Yes.

00:04:26.760 Yes.

00:04:27.760 Yes.

00:04:28.760 I shot him twice.

00:04:30.760 Yes.

00:04:31.760 Yes.

00:04:32.760 Yes.

00:04:33.760 Yes.

00:04:34.760 Yes.

00:04:35.760 Yes.

00:04:36.760 Yes.

00:04:37.760 Yes.

00:04:38.760 Yes.

00:04:39.760 Yes.

00:04:40.760 Yes.

00:04:41.760 Who put you on the blouse? 1.00

00:04:42.760 Abraham.

00:04:43.760 He was stuck with me from the other side.

00:04:45.760 Yes.

00:04:46.760 I was stuck with me from the other side.

00:04:47.760 Yes.

00:04:48.760 Yes.

00:04:49.760 Yes.

00:04:51.760 Yes.

00:04:52.760 Yes.

00:05:07.760 Yes.

00:05:08.760 Of course.

00:05:10.760 And of course, of course, Calgary Progressive Mayor Nahid Nenshi just had to stick his nose into it all

00:05:18.600 and also accuse conservatives in Canada of winking at white nationalists on an appearance on the CBC.

00:05:26.800 And as for policy, God only knows what sort of policy the NDP are introducing

00:05:31.380 because apparently all they've been doing is character assassination.

00:05:36.440 So joining me to dissect this first insane week of the Alberta election campaign

00:05:43.260 is a veteran political operative and political watcher, my good friend William McBeth from Save Calgary.

00:05:51.600 He and I try to make sense of all the NDP hyperbole and innuendo in an interview we recorded Monday.

00:06:06.440 Joining me now is Kay Wilson. She's the author of a new book, The Rage Less Traveled.

00:06:23.200 It's her memoir of surviving that machete attack. Kay, you're in Tel Aviv tonight?

00:06:29.380 In Jerusalem. Oh, fantastic. The capital city of the Jewish people.

00:06:36.880 The eternal capital. That's right. Now, Kay, I did interview you last year when we were in Israel

00:06:45.240 and actually ran into you. I believe it was in Tel Aviv.

00:06:48.320 We had a phenomenal interview, a haunting interview.

00:06:51.760 If anybody wants to see that, they can go back and look for that.

00:06:56.480 But Kay, I just want just a Coles Notes version.

00:06:59.500 I don't want to rehash that whole other interview that we did.

00:07:02.880 But you are, I guess you're British, but you're also Israeli. Am I right?

00:07:09.060 That's correct. I emigrated here in, when is it?

00:07:14.080 Over 30 years ago. 33 years ago.

00:07:16.200 Yeah. And you were attacked with your Christian friend, Christine Lucan, while you were hiking.

00:07:26.980 Yes, it was, you know, on just a perfect winter day, an Israeli winter day. 0.81

00:07:33.500 And we were on the political map on our side of the line, so to speak.

00:07:38.480 And we were accosted by two Palestinian terrorists held at knife point for half an hour.

00:07:44.500 And then they found my Israeli ID. They assumed we were both Jewish.

00:07:48.940 And they bound and gagged us and started hacking at us with their machetes.

00:07:52.900 And I watched my friend hack to death before my eyes, while I myself sustained 13 machete wounds and 30 broken bones.

00:08:00.660 Now, I guess not to go into too much detail, but you did touch on it in your book that you did struggle with some, not just physical, I mean, 13 machete wounds, but PTSD that affected you quite strongly.

00:08:17.740 Yeah, that would be like saying the Second World War was a bit inconvenient.

00:08:21.820 It's such a masterful advertisement.

00:08:23.280 Yeah, terrible PTSD, not just because I myself was attacked, also because of the longevity that we were held at knife point, which is half an hour, where our fate is swinging in the balance.

00:08:38.660 And then, of course, to witness this most, it's kind of a sacred sight to hear somebody pray to their God and watch them die.

00:08:46.780 So to witness the death of my friend, the murder, the brutal murder of my friend, while I myself was playing dead, yeah, the fallout of PTSD was, it was off the charts.

00:09:02.000 And I can tell you, I'm glad we're talking about this, actually, Sheila, because I haven't spoken much about PTSD, and that takes a good chunk of the book.

00:09:09.440 I mean, in the beginning, I was so traumatized, I was like dead in my soul, I didn't feel happy, I didn't feel sad, my voice, it just sounded like I was reading out a menu.

00:09:20.800 And then over the course of months of therapy, you know, it's like getting an onion and peeling it off.

00:09:27.540 And I started to be in touch again with who I am, or what I was left of as a person.

00:09:34.480 The PTSD came in hypervigilance.

00:09:37.140 I jumped at the smallest sound, I couldn't stand the color green or a tree because it happened in a forest.

00:09:45.040 Noise, any kind of noise, sudden noise, relentless noise.

00:09:49.140 I mean, it was just a hell on earth.

00:09:51.420 It was a living hell.

00:09:54.580 So through therapy, you've sort of been able to cope with your PTSD.

00:09:59.520 From what I understand, it never does really go away.

00:10:03.040 It doesn't go away, but therapy made it very much more manageable.

00:10:08.920 It was definitely more manageable.

00:10:10.500 I mean, I did, for people who are interested in psychology, or just people who've been traumatized, I'm sure.

00:10:16.180 I mean, it doesn't have to be an attempted murder.

00:10:18.280 But I'm sure many of your viewers have had their own trauma in their life.

00:10:22.260 And for me, I did three kinds of therapy.

00:10:24.580 One was something called cognitive behavior therapy, which is where you exercise the power of your mind to the sense that your thoughts determine your feelings.

00:10:34.860 Okay?

00:10:35.240 Now, I had terrible survivor's guilt.

00:10:37.960 I felt that I watched her die to save my life.

00:10:41.940 And that's not true.

00:10:43.320 I mean, it's true, but it's not true.

00:10:44.900 I'm not the cause of her death.

00:10:46.820 So one kind of therapy helped me get my thoughts straight, which helped me deal with, to a massive degree, my own survivor's guilt.

00:10:55.480 Another kind was called gradual exposure, where, when I think back now, my therapy was to go to outside somewhere and look at a tree.

00:11:05.400 Look at a tree for five seconds.

00:11:07.460 That's where I started off.

00:11:09.040 And I took two friends of mine.

00:11:10.460 One was an Arab bus driver I work with as a tour guide, and he had a pistol.

00:11:14.860 The other was a colonel from the army.

00:11:16.480 He had his M16, and I was standing there just looking at a tree.

00:11:20.180 I was so scared.

00:11:21.680 And then each week, it would be look at a tree for a few seconds longer.

00:11:26.120 So that's called gradual exposure.

00:11:28.020 And the last therapy is something called EMDR.

00:11:31.180 Even after the attack, four years after the attack, I was having the most awful flashbacks, maybe 1,000 a day.

00:11:37.580 It was becoming unmanageable.

00:11:39.400 I was self-medicating.

00:11:40.580 And it was actually through a very lovely tourist I'd met who's a psychotherapist, and she gave me treatment.

00:11:49.040 And I don't know how it works, but it certainly cut down the flashbacks.

00:11:52.720 So all these things helped me.

00:11:55.960 And I've got to say, I mean, you've been to my wonderful country.

00:12:00.340 There's something about living in Israel, because this whole country's got PTSD.

00:12:06.160 You know, for the people by Gaza, they're being shelled all the time.

00:12:09.740 There's people who've buried their loved ones in terror attacks.

00:12:12.560 It's a people's army.

00:12:15.680 So people here suffer, but they get through it.

00:12:19.480 They just pick themselves up, and they get on.

00:12:21.880 And there's something about being in a community where we are at always existential threat.

00:12:28.400 But it's a community that loves life.

00:12:30.960 And I've learned, learning again, to love life.

00:12:33.920 And that's the best revenge to death there is.

00:12:36.180 You know, I think where I experienced that sentiment that life is the best revenge was in Starote.

00:12:47.140 And when I was there, I asked a dad, because the overwhelming majority of kids there have PTSD.

00:12:54.660 I mean, it's hard to play outside, because they're so close to Gaza. 1.00

00:12:58.920 And I asked a dad there, why do you live here?

00:13:01.800 There are so many other places you could live.

00:13:04.520 And he said, because when we move, the terror comes that much closer to everyone else.

00:13:10.720 And, you know, when we were talking to the mayor of Starote when we were there, he's, you know,

00:13:14.400 he's showing us how the community is growing and thriving.

00:13:18.860 And it's young and expanding.

00:13:22.600 And it's, I think it's in spite of that terror, specifically in spite of the fact

00:13:28.500 that their closest neighbors in Gaza want them dead, that they are living and they're thriving.

00:13:35.440 Yes, I think life is an extremely, what's the word, gratifying form of revenge.

00:13:44.020 It really is.

00:13:45.540 And I mean, it's funny we're talking about this, because people often ask me,

00:13:49.500 oh, did you ever want to go back to England after what happened to you?

00:13:53.460 And first of all, I've been outside of England nearly 30 years.

00:13:57.120 So it's not really, I've been here much longer.

00:14:00.900 Well, you know, I'm 54, so do the math.

00:14:03.640 But there was no reason why I wanted to be back in England.

00:14:07.140 It was actually the vibrancy of life here that has been, as we're talking,

00:14:11.460 it's been part of my long life recovery.

00:14:15.720 And there's like, we have a word in Hebrew.

00:14:18.120 It means dafka. 0.98

00:14:19.020 I mean, it's called dafka.

00:14:21.520 And it really means just because, to spite, in spite of,

00:14:26.540 we're going to do this because you want to do this to us.

00:14:29.880 And I love it.

00:14:31.300 It's like a, you know what I mean?

00:14:35.020 I hope the terrorists have got rebel media in their cell

00:14:39.740 and they're watching this interview.

00:14:42.360 Me too.

00:14:43.800 I hope they torture them in Gitmo with my interviews.

00:14:49.020 They're going to go for the rest of their lives.

00:14:52.260 Now, not to be dark, because what you, I mean,

00:14:57.500 we're talking about some pretty positive things about the state of Israel,

00:15:01.140 but your attackers, you faced your attackers in court.

00:15:06.140 You brought them to justice, which, I mean, is difficult for anybody.

00:15:13.640 But you also are taking on the institutionalized terror

00:15:18.820 and the funding of these terrorist families.

00:15:23.840 You're also taking that on as a K. Wilson cause.

00:15:28.340 Yes, absolutely.

00:15:29.320 Maybe I'll just backtrack a bit.

00:15:30.900 Sure, of course.

00:15:31.480 I was fortunate enough to have a little pen knife with me on the day of the attack.

00:15:37.600 And I managed to stab one in the, what do you call, in the nuts, right?

00:15:41.520 In the balls.

00:15:42.920 I'll think of a nice word.

00:15:44.640 And his blood was on my sleeve.

00:15:46.800 No, sorry.

00:15:48.040 I was rebel media.

00:15:48.940 I forgot I could say what I wanted.

00:15:50.480 Yeah.

00:15:50.720 But his blood was on my sleeve, and it was his DNA which led to the capture.

00:15:55.640 And also to say that after I played dead,

00:15:58.520 I walked over a mile gag bound and barefoot in this terrible state

00:16:02.720 with bones sticking out of me.

00:16:04.660 So there was no, when it comes to the court, there's no forensic doubt.

00:16:09.980 The Secret Service caught them very quickly.

00:16:12.120 They took them back to the forest.

00:16:13.700 There's film footage, which I believe you'll show in your village,

00:16:18.320 your viewers, about why they did it.

00:16:20.420 They came to kill Jews. 0.98

00:16:21.740 That was explicitly the point.

00:16:24.560 And when I faced them in court, I mean, it was the most horrendous experience

00:16:30.740 because they were gloating.

00:16:33.320 There wasn't like an element of remorse.

00:16:37.900 And then to make it worse, getting onto your subject matter now, Sheila,

00:16:41.480 to make it worse, these people are rewarded by foreign aid.

00:16:48.000 Let's put it like this.

00:16:48.860 Let's talk about Great Britain being a British citizen as well.

00:16:51.540 The British government gives millions of dollars, millions of pounds, rather,

00:16:57.300 to the Palestinian Authority.

00:16:59.320 And out of that general budget of the Palestinian Authority,

00:17:02.220 the Arabs set aside 7%.

00:17:05.640 And then they, the Palestinian Authority, have a reward system for the prisoners.

00:17:12.560 So my would-be murderers, me, a British citizen,

00:17:16.600 these people have got or received, I don't know what the math is in Sterling,

00:17:22.000 they've received more than $70,000 each.

00:17:25.460 And now I've been lobbying the British government.

00:17:29.420 I sent an email attached with my really gory stab wounds,

00:17:36.380 which I believe you're also going to show,

00:17:38.300 and you should warn viewers to close their eyes.

00:17:41.880 But you can see it's horrendous injuries.

00:17:44.800 And I asked them, I said, look, I told them, I said,

00:17:47.400 you are paying the people who tried to murder me.

00:17:49.440 And I got maybe a handful of answers back, six probably.

00:17:55.320 And every single one was, it's like out of the tens and tens,

00:18:02.040 it was like, oh, dear Miss Wilson, we're very sorry for what happened to you.

00:18:04.880 The British government are committed to working on a two-state solution.

00:18:09.680 Now, I wasn't writing to them about politics.

00:18:12.760 I was writing them to say that my family in England,

00:18:16.420 through their taxes, are paying the people who tried to murder me.

00:18:20.000 And I find that outrageous.

00:18:21.840 And there are liars in the government.

00:18:24.240 I'm sorry, I will name and shame.

00:18:26.240 Alistair Burt, Stephen Twigg.

00:18:29.020 You know, every time you mentioned you've been in Shterot,

00:18:31.360 when Israel suffers, Israeli civilians suffer a rocket barrage.

00:18:35.980 Alistair Burt will tweet something like, oh, we condemn this outrage.

00:18:40.160 We don't need his condemnation.

00:18:42.700 We need action.

00:18:44.600 We need action that they stopped the funding.

00:18:47.040 They call it fungible.

00:18:48.540 You know, it can go anywhere.

00:18:50.240 Other governments are stopping the funding.

00:18:52.200 Why can't the British government stop the funding?

00:18:54.600 America stopped it.

00:18:55.620 Holland stopped it.

00:18:56.880 Sweden, Denmark, they're all working on it.

00:19:00.000 I think it's a moral outrage.

00:19:02.060 But I think it's a reflection of your country, my country, your country.

00:19:05.440 If you, you know, it's a reflection of the state that England is in now.

00:19:09.360 Well, it really is the state of Canada, too.

00:19:14.280 I mean, our previous government under the Conservatives cut off funding to these UN organizations where the money ends up back in the hands of Hamas or other terror groups.

00:19:25.700 They cut off funding and Justin Trudeau and the liberal government reinstated it.

00:19:29.900 I wanted to ask you your opinion of like the Americans are really leading the charge to cut off funding to these UN organizations that are just acting as money launders to terrorist groups, to be honest with you.

00:19:45.060 But the Americans have gone one step further. 0.60

00:19:47.820 They say not only do we need to cut off the funding to these UN organizations, but they want them abolished entirely.

00:19:55.300 For example, Donald Trump has called for the end of the UN Relief Agency for Palestinians in the Near East.

00:20:02.880 He says it's not even worth saving.

00:20:06.900 What do you think about that?

00:20:08.040 Well, let me talk about a personal experience.

00:20:13.120 OK, I wouldn't want to speak about anything.

00:20:15.360 I don't know.

00:20:16.380 I'm actually for all everything that happened to me.

00:20:19.300 I'm very well thought of in the Arab Muslim Palestinian world.

00:20:23.460 I've risked my own life to protect young Arabs who have been under death threats from Muslims who want to murder them.

00:20:31.060 I've crowdfunded through my social media several small projects for any Palestinian who wants to take responsibility and start a business, you know, and that's what we're doing.

00:20:43.200 Little tiny projects.

00:20:44.840 And I've become a very good friends with a young man in a refugee camp.

00:20:49.880 He's not religious Muslim. 0.58

00:20:51.280 He's culturally Muslim.

00:20:53.020 And he invited me there one day and I went.

00:20:56.880 And I mean, the place is just like it's so filthy.

00:20:59.480 There's trash everywhere.

00:21:01.300 But you know what?

00:21:02.720 Amongst all this disheveled buildings, which are absolutely right.

00:21:06.900 It's the United Nations project.

00:21:08.900 There are so many fancy four by four cars all belonging to the locals.

00:21:14.300 Now, in Israel, a four by four car is like three, four times the price it is in, let's say, Britain.

00:21:21.160 These people have the money.

00:21:22.740 I'm not talking about the UN people.

00:21:24.860 I'm talking about the local Palestinians where the mentality is poor me, poor me. 1.00

00:21:29.560 Eternal victimhood.

00:21:30.640 But they have the money to spend on these kind of vehicles.

00:21:32.920 Now, the other thing about the United Nations, these fat salaries they've been given, like Chris Gunness.

00:21:39.560 I mean, the man is outrageous.

00:21:41.540 Fake tears all over YouTube.

00:21:43.060 The poor Palestinians. 1.00

00:21:44.080 What have you actually done for these people?

00:21:46.880 I don't mean to sound arrogant.

00:21:49.320 I've done more.

00:21:50.480 I have done more for these people than he has in his entire career.

00:21:54.700 And I haven't taken a shekel for it, nor of any of the other people, the good people who are helping me with this.

00:22:00.780 It's outrageous.

00:22:01.860 It perpetuates victimhood.

00:22:03.320 And I think President Trump is spot on.

00:22:06.400 They're squandering money there, both the Palestinians and the United Nations.

00:22:12.600 It's an outrage.

00:22:13.400 Well, and I think, too, if we if, you know, that these terror groups who are in charge are keeping the Palestinian people poor, it makes the idea of terror a smart economic choice. 0.99

00:22:28.820 Because then your family, even if you are a suicide bomber, then at least your family is taken care of.

00:22:34.300 So I really admire the work you're doing by addressing the economic problems that are that outside of religion.

00:22:42.840 Religion is a big, huge part.

00:22:44.720 But for some, it's because there are just no jobs there.

00:22:49.180 It's economic strife.

00:22:50.560 And it's a money making proposition to go and kill some Jews. 0.85

00:22:54.560 It is money making, because, first of all, a lot of this, I mean, I don't know the exact figures now, but three years ago, the amount of foreign aid that the Palestinian had received was sixty nine billion dollars.

00:23:09.140 OK, now you look at Mahmoud Abbas, you look at all this leadership, look where the money is going.

00:23:14.660 And it's right to say that a lot of the Palestinians are poor. 1.00

00:23:17.740 But I'm telling you, I've been in Palestinian houses, also in the refugee camp, which are far more grandiose than where I live. 0.99

00:23:25.600 So there's rich and there's poor.

00:23:28.140 And for the most, these people are they are poor.

00:23:31.640 Maybe, you know, some would do well not to spend half a million shekel on a four by four car.

00:23:36.840 But it's it's a racket.

00:23:38.920 It's a it's a whole business racket.

00:23:40.900 And it's not just the finance.

00:23:42.640 All right.

00:23:44.240 It's the not just the financial incentive.

00:23:48.320 It's the absolute incitement.

00:23:51.860 Palestinian media is full of incitement to murder Jews.

00:23:57.140 And there's an amazing organization, a nonprofit called Palestinian Media Watch, who monitor what goes on in the school curriculums, on the television.

00:24:05.820 It's Nazi like and it's propaganda. 0.88

00:24:07.960 And I don't use that word lightly.

00:24:10.040 OK, so you have the incitement, you have brainwashing of children, which is absolute child abuse.

00:24:16.660 These are children.

00:24:17.480 These are young children.

00:24:19.040 We can't blame these young children.

00:24:21.100 So you have child abuse.

00:24:22.640 You have absolutely vile incitement to murder Jews.

00:24:27.420 And then you have the financial rewarding system.

00:24:30.700 And how can any Western democracy support a an authority like that?

00:24:36.800 How can they?

00:24:38.260 How can they?

00:24:39.000 Is it because they feel sorry for them?

00:24:41.360 Is it because, you know, they're poor?

00:24:43.200 Is it because they're frustrated?

00:24:44.660 Let me tell you something, Sheila.

00:24:46.260 I've been frustrated.

00:24:47.900 OK, I've lost my health.

00:24:49.360 I lost my friend.

00:24:50.820 I lost my home.

00:24:52.400 I lost sleep.

00:24:53.680 I lost weight.

00:24:54.560 I lost routine.

00:24:55.620 I lost the ability to answer how I am.

00:24:58.320 Because I've seen a woman hacked up before my eyes. 1.00

00:25:00.840 I've lost my innocence.

00:25:02.820 I've lost everything.

00:25:03.700 But I haven't gone around jumping on people, gagging them, tying them up and hacking them to death because I'm frustrated.

00:25:13.840 Lowering the moral bar.

00:25:15.460 How patronizing is that?

00:25:17.600 And the Western governments who keep funding these people, keep funding this authority, shame on them.

00:25:22.920 Every single one of them.

00:25:24.140 They're not empowering anybody.

00:25:25.620 Sorry, I'm really, like, fast and enthusiastic.

00:25:31.500 It's Israeli, everybody.

00:25:32.880 It's Israeli.

00:25:33.840 But I feel very passionate about it.

00:25:36.760 Well, of course you do.

00:25:37.520 I think there's another facet, too, in all of this is not just the Palestinian propaganda, but I think the role the mainstream media plays in perpetuating the narrative of the oppressive Israeli occupation versus these just gaggle of Hamas and Gazan protesters at the border.

00:26:02.660 And you often see the images of children face-to-face with Israeli soldiers.

00:26:13.620 That's what travels around the world.

00:26:15.840 But you never see just how moral the Israeli army really is.

00:26:20.060 When we were there, that was one of the things that really stuck with me is how moral the Israeli army is.

00:26:27.320 What they do to mitigate the civilian loss of life versus the other side that uses civilians as propaganda tools.

00:26:37.260 A dead civilian is a million dollars in free advertising for Hamas and for, you know, the leadership in Gaza.

00:26:46.760 So they encourage parents to bring their children to these protests because that child standing facing an Israeli soldier, that is the kind of propaganda that money can't even buy.

00:27:01.540 Absolutely.

00:27:02.400 And it's, you know, one of my personal friends, and I mean friends, somebody I've met, is Colonel Richard Kemp.

00:27:08.120 And he is, was the commander of the infantry forces in Afghanistan, a British commander.

00:27:15.140 And he's spoken at the United Nations.

00:27:17.120 This is a man with credibility.

00:27:20.600 And you're right.

00:27:21.680 He's absolutely, he's called the Israeli army the most moral army in the world.

00:27:26.660 Okay.

00:27:27.220 And that's an absolute fact.

00:27:29.440 Now, that thing that you're touching on about propaganda, there's footage on Twitter.

00:27:34.600 These, these, these Palestinians, they actually practice how to die. 1.00

00:27:40.060 There's, there's propaganda stuff of them putting on makeup.

00:27:43.460 They'll steal pictures of children in Syria and claim it to be their own. 0.92

00:27:47.860 I mean, it's absolutely outrageous stuff.

00:27:49.940 And it's, it's unfair.

00:27:52.120 It's an absolute tirade against Israel and concerning, you know, talk about mainstream media.

00:27:59.760 The BBC, I don't have a good word to say about them.

00:28:02.560 I mean, even the headlines, it's not just the image.

00:28:05.020 It will say, Palestinian shot. 0.99

00:28:07.780 And then you read down a few lines and it will be after he tried to murder an Israeli.

00:28:11.740 He comes with a knife, he tries to murder an Israeli and the Israeli army will neutralize him.

00:28:16.520 But they barely report on that.

00:28:18.460 By the way, the BBC and Sky News, if you allow me to talk about fake news and LBC, by the way.

00:28:25.300 I have tried, I mean, you, I hope you can tell and you've been following me.

00:28:31.580 I don't have a hateful bone in my body directed to people who've done nothing towards me.

00:28:37.580 And I always say it's a Muslim surgeon who saved my life.

00:28:41.400 Okay.

00:28:41.660 And I'm proud that many of my good friends are Muslims.

00:28:45.420 And despite my so-called charitable work I do with Arabs and Muslims and Palestinians, not one major news outlet will ever have me on their show.

00:28:56.640 In fact, the BBC turned me down in March this year.

00:29:00.660 Okay.

00:29:01.040 They turned me down.

00:29:01.880 They were looking for a survivor of terrorism and they were going to do a program that addresses what you've been talking about, the pay to slay.

00:29:11.380 So the BBC man called me here and then he says, I'll get back to you.

00:29:15.440 So he gets back to me and you know what he says?

00:29:17.220 It's staggering.

00:29:17.820 He says, you're too well known.

00:29:19.540 And I thought, how disgusting is that?

00:29:21.880 What they want, they want somebody who looks brown, somebody who looks estranged, somebody who struggles with their English. 0.98

00:29:28.340 And therefore, it will break the commonality that there is between the Israeli being interviewed and the people who are watching the program.

00:29:36.500 I mean, they are going out their way not to portray any survivors of terrorism or any Israeli really as a human being.

00:29:45.540 And shame on them.

00:29:46.820 Even LBC.

00:29:47.820 I wanted to talk to Majid Nawaz, who I respect him deeply.

00:29:51.940 I think he's doing amazing things.

00:29:54.140 I've written to him.

00:29:55.120 He hasn't answered my email.

00:29:56.280 He tweets rudely on, you know, social media.

00:29:59.520 And I don't understand what this, it's like a blackout on me.

00:30:03.320 I don't understand what I'm doing wrong.

00:30:05.640 I'm doing everything I can to help the people who, from that same people, came my would-be murderers.

00:30:12.580 I challenge them all.

00:30:14.060 Have me on your radio program.

00:30:15.820 Have me on your television.

00:30:17.180 What am I doing wrong?

00:30:18.660 Is it because I'm speaking the truth?

00:30:20.280 Is it because, you know what, if I'd have been a Muslim, trans, black, Palestinian, happened to be stabbed by white Jewish settlers, would that have warranted me a place on the media?

00:30:33.600 Would that have sold my book?

00:30:35.560 It's outrageous.

00:30:36.400 You know, I do agree with you.

00:30:41.080 I think you're the wrong kind of victim.

00:30:43.880 You are a regular, normal woman.

00:30:48.120 You were out there with your Christian friend doing things that I do all the time.

00:30:52.480 I hike all the time.

00:30:55.360 And I think also, again, your British accent, that remains.

00:31:00.660 I think it makes you, it really brings terror home.

00:31:05.720 When if it could happen to Kay Wilson, regular, normal, English-sounding Kay Wilson, it can really happen to any of us.

00:31:14.160 And they don't want that as part of the story.

00:31:19.960 They want terror, especially terror happening to Israelis, which happens every single day.

00:31:25.520 They want it to seem foreign and rare, when really your story shows us that it's not.

00:31:32.660 Absolutely.

00:31:33.700 It's absolutely.

00:31:34.780 And I'll probably get into trouble by saying this, but I've been in enough trouble.

00:31:39.860 I've caused an international incident.

00:31:41.740 But I think it's a Jew problem. 1.00

00:31:45.160 I don't think they're fond of Jews. 1.00

00:31:47.200 And, you know what, that needs, I mean, obviously, anti-Semitism, it's riddling the Labour Party and all kinds of echelon in the United Kingdom.

00:32:00.520 But I think they have a problem.

00:32:02.080 They'll say, you know what, it's not a problem with Israel.

00:32:04.240 I mean, we don't have a problem with Jews.

00:32:06.960 We just have a problem with Zionism. 0.96

00:32:08.900 Right.

00:32:09.240 What does that mean?

00:32:11.660 You know, I saw yesterday, I was shocked.

00:32:14.880 Somebody wrote on social media that if you're, quote, if you're a Zionist, you deserve to have been attacked.

00:32:24.360 I mean, where have people got to?

00:32:26.140 What kind of world do we live in that we so freely say these things to one another?

00:32:32.580 I mean, a little restraint, you know, a little dignity.

00:32:35.020 Well, I think you're asking a little too much for restraint and dignity on social media.

00:32:43.440 Kay, I could talk to you all day long, but I think we're headed towards the half an hour point here.

00:32:52.120 I want to give you a chance to tell people where they can find your book.

00:32:56.780 I have the Kindle version, and I also have the Audible version, and I just want to make one point.

00:33:03.740 I think I recommend everybody to buy the Audible version of your book, The Rage Less Traveled, because you, you tell the story.

00:33:12.400 You didn't hire a voice actor or someone to read it for you.

00:33:15.340 It's you.

00:33:16.360 So you can hear the emotion in your voice, and I know that I'm sure it was very hard for you to, after writing it, retell it.

00:33:25.360 But I think it's worth every penny to hear this story told in your voice.

00:33:31.160 But I want to give you an opportunity to tell everybody where they can get your book and how they can get in contact with you.

00:33:37.280 Well, Sheila, thank you very much.

00:33:39.020 So listen, rebels.

00:33:40.940 Yes.

00:33:41.600 My book, as you see on the image, is called The Rage Less Traveled, and it's spelled the American way, L-E-D.

00:33:50.080 You can get it from my website, theragelesstravelled.com.

00:33:53.560 May I just say something that I actually had to self-publish, and I want to tell you why.

00:34:01.560 I mean, I had an agent, and she'd sent it to all the big New York publishers, and they all wrote back.

00:34:07.340 I was very flattered because I don't consider myself a writer, but I had to learn to write.

00:34:12.260 And they said, you know, this is a talented writer.

00:34:15.860 This is a gripping story.

00:34:17.340 It's a page turner.

00:34:18.120 All the things you want to hear from the top New York publishers, no one had the courage to publish my book.

00:34:24.380 And I'll summarize in one rejection letter.

00:34:27.680 It says, because Wilson, I mean, they make me sound like a tennis ball, but because Wilson did not speak about her charitable work with, wait for it, the young and impoverished Palestinians, end quote, we're going to pass on this one.

00:34:47.280 How outrageous.

00:34:48.620 First of all, a memoir is about me.

00:34:50.720 It's about the author.

00:34:51.680 It's not about other people.

00:34:52.720 Secondly, to speak about young and impoverished Palestinians on the back of my butchered back, over the body of my dead friend, to virtue signal. 0.99

00:35:04.700 It's outrageous.

00:35:05.360 So get my book.

00:35:06.360 You can find it on Amazon, The Rage Less Traveled, or my website, the ragelesstraveled.com.

00:35:11.980 And just to confirm what Sheila is saying, you know, when I actually read the book, I realized I don't have a particularly radiophonic voice.

00:35:20.300 It's like I've got a face for radio, and you know, you can't do everything, you can't do everything.

00:35:25.040 But when I read it, you're absolutely right.

00:35:28.300 It was hard.

00:35:29.200 I mean, there were a couple of times where I was choking back the tears.

00:35:33.580 And I think it makes for a very, very powerful, powerful book.

00:35:37.560 And I'm thrilled as far as it is decently appropriate for how the book came out.

00:35:42.680 And I also want to thank Sheila and you guys at Rebel Media for giving me a platform and keep up the fantastic work.

00:35:51.360 Oh, thank you, Kay.

00:35:52.600 You know, Kay, you're such an inspiration, a joy to talk to.

00:35:58.520 You're just a fighter.

00:35:59.840 You're just a fighter.

00:36:00.680 And, you know, I think you have a bit of that sort of rebel spirit in that we say we tell the other side of the story.

00:36:09.560 You really are the other side of the story with what's happening in Israel.

00:36:14.020 You embody that.

00:36:15.080 You embody that, the morality, the charitable work, the surviving spirit when the rest of the world is demonizing the country.

00:36:25.020 I think you really are the walking embodiment of that.

00:36:27.580 So, Kay, I want to thank you so much for coming on the show.

00:36:29.460 I'm going to have you on again because I truly enjoy talking to you.

00:36:35.520 And I'm sure our listeners and viewers will enjoy hearing from you as much as I do.

00:36:39.780 Thank you very much, Sheila.

00:36:40.960 Thank you.

00:36:53.600 In the three weeks, we're all going to get called a lot of names.

00:36:57.040 It's going to be a dirty, sleazy campaign from the very people who spent the last four years scolding conservatives as mean and out of touch with normal people.

00:37:08.100 I think Albertans have had enough of being talked down to and lectured by Rachel Notley and her perpetually inept MLAs.

00:37:15.780 Albertans care about the economy.

00:37:18.400 They care about jobs.

00:37:20.120 They want to get back to work.

00:37:21.580 And they don't care about things someone said 20 years ago.

00:37:25.340 Now, it might be hard to stay hopeful as a conservative for the next three weeks as the mainstream media continues to act as attack dogs for Rachel Notley and the NDP.

00:37:36.020 But you know what?

00:37:37.280 I take solace in the desperation of it all.

00:37:40.580 The more desperate the NDP gets, the more personal and dirty they get, the more I know they know that this...

00:37:48.020 The longer the NDP...

00:38:11.640 Thank you.

Rebel News Podcast - May 30, 2019

Left for dead by Islamic terrorists, today she fights against them (Guest： Kay Wilson in Jerusalem)

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