Rebel News Podcast - Liberals scramble for new icebreakers ⁠— but warn the Arctic is melting (GUEST： Michelle Stirling)

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00:01:05.500 version of my show. You're listening to a rebel media podcast. Environment Minister Catherine McKenna

00:01:12.840 thinks we're all going to die in 12 years from climate change. So if that's the case, what the heck is

00:01:18.020 her government doing? Ordering new icebreakers to cruise around the Arctic? I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed

00:01:23.780 and you're watching The Gun Show.

00:01:25.700 Al Gore promised us all the Arctic would be ice-free already. Back in 2008, former Vice President

00:01:50.040 Al Gore predicted that the Arctic would be ice-free in five years from then, so 2013.

00:01:55.180 Nearly two decades later, Canada is now buying more icebreakers to deal with increased Arctic

00:02:00.860 ice conditions. Actually, the federal government is going on quite the little icebreaker buying

00:02:06.680 spree. Late last year, it was announced that Canada would be acquiring three new, or rather

00:02:12.180 new to us, used icebreakers from Norway and then spending $600 million to retrofit those ships

00:02:18.220 for Canadian conditions. Then, very recently, earlier in August, Trudeau announced that his government

00:02:24.260 was opening up the search for a shipyard to build completely new icebreakers for the Canadian

00:02:30.640 government. So, to recap, last year we added three more icebreakers, and now we're looking

00:02:36.040 to build a series of more icebreakers, and yet, Canada's Environment Minister keeps telling

00:02:41.380 us that if we don't pay her carbon tax, the Arctic will be no more. Looks like even the Liberals 0.98

00:02:47.520 don't believe that garbage. My guest tonight is someone who adds facts and figures to counter 0.99

00:02:53.900 the constant fear-mongering from the left on the issue of climate change. When the climate change

00:03:00.320 minister is fishing off a rock in high heels with no line on the end of a rod, my guest tonight is

00:03:06.320 helping crunch the numbers to tell you exactly what would happen to you and your family and your

00:03:12.360 lifestyle if McKenna really got her way and phased out all those fossil fuels. Joining me in an 0.98

00:03:18.740 interview we recorded earlier is my friend Michelle Stirling from Friends of Science.

00:03:23.640 So, joining me now from Calgary is my friend Michelle Stirling from Friends of Science. I'm so

00:03:45.900 grateful to talk to you, Michelle, and we really should do this more often since we only have 18

00:03:52.140 months to live, or apparently that's what the climate change fear-mongers would have us all believe.

00:04:01.660 I wanted to talk to you about a video that Friends of Science has just made. You're turning into quite

00:04:08.060 the little spokesmodel for Friends of Science. I'm really enjoying your videos, actually. As someone

00:04:13.340 who's on camera all the time, I'm appreciating the evolution of the work that you're doing.

00:04:19.340 You did a really great video on Elizabeth May, Green Party leader Elizabeth May's crazy comments

00:04:28.860 about how we can just all of a sudden transition to this new green economy and nobody is going to be

00:04:34.200 left behind. But you added some facts to her contentions that that is even possible.

00:04:40.340 Oh, well, yeah. I mean, first of all, when she says no one will be left behind, if you look at the volume of

00:04:49.460 energy consumption in the world, well into the 80% of it is fossil fuels. And wind and solar are

00:04:58.100 perhaps like somewhere between two and six percent. It depends what country you're in. But it's a very,

00:05:03.540 very low percentage. And even things like geothermal, which we keep hearing people banding that about

00:05:10.980 as a way to replace all the oil workers who are out of work, just have them work on deep wells and

00:05:16.500 we can have geothermal like magic. Well, even in the United States, which has the most geothermal power

00:05:23.220 generation in the world, it's only 0.4% of the power mix there. So it's a very small, very specific type

00:05:32.340 of power generation. It can be useful. And there are some places where it could be done here. But it's

00:05:38.740 not a be all and end all as being presented. And there are many complexities. So, you know, the whole

00:05:47.060 thing of Elizabeth May saying, no one will be left behind. Well, as I sent you that report on Ontario,

00:05:54.260 people were left behind in Ontario. So do you want to talk about that part now?

00:05:59.940 Yeah, you know, what a great segue. Again, see, you're getting really good at this video thing.

00:06:06.020 Yeah, that's, I had that on my list of things I wanted to talk about. A report that I think is

00:06:12.020 highly relevant right now as we approach the federal elections campaign. And it's highly relevant

00:06:18.500 because of the number of people who were responsible for the green energy catastrophe that

00:06:23.700 unfolded in Ontario. A lot of those people, namely Gerald Butts, are now working for the federal

00:06:30.020 Liberal Party, the government or the campaign. And they really do want to replicate what they did in

00:06:36.820 Ontario in the rest of the country. The report is called the Ontario Government

00:06:41.300 Climate Legacy. Yes. And this is another report by Robert Lyman. And he's looking at the

00:06:47.380 the energy transition that took place there. And if you look back at Elizabeth May's history,

00:06:52.980 she was the executive director of the Sierra Club from its foundation in Canada in 1989 to about 2006.

00:07:01.940 And the Sierra Club was funded by the Oak Foundation, which is a tar sands campaign funder,

00:07:08.100 out of the foreign funder, to, I think it was for about $217,000 US dollars, to coordinate the

00:07:18.660 NGOs at the time and to get them to make sure that greenhouse gases were legally, were legislated as a

00:07:27.620 pollutant. So that these groups were working with foreign funding to make problems for Canada down the road.

00:07:36.500 Now, that was not our policy at the time. And even if you look right now at the air pollutant list in Canada,

00:07:43.620 you won't find CO2 on that list. But anyway, so she was part of that campaign. She was the executive

00:07:50.900 director of the Sierra Club in 2005, when they gave Alberta an F. And they gave Ontario a B plus for

00:08:00.420 the Rio report, which is based on the Rio declaration of, you know, the big Rio confab in 1992, where the whole global warming

00:08:13.860 movement began, shall we say. So she gave Alberta an F, despite the fact that Alberta was in fact 0.98

00:08:22.180 a leader in everything related to climate and environment at the time. So in the process of the

00:08:29.460 Ontario Green Energy Act being implemented, you find all the same parties that are implicated in the

00:08:35.220 tar sands campaign, implicated in the Green Energy Act. And what was the outcome of that? Well, I just want

00:08:41.620 to read some of the figures from Robert Lyman's report, just to give people a sense of what happened.

00:08:47.700 $9 billion for poor contracting practices. $133 billion in global adjustment fees from 2015 to 2032.

00:08:58.740 And at least 20% of that is related to the renewable sector. $3.6 billion to build a smart grid and smart

00:09:06.020 meters, and up to $55 billion in deferred costs that will hit future rate payers. And here's the kicker.

00:09:14.900 Elizabeth May says that no one will be left behind in her plan to go green. Well, 75,000 lost industrial

00:09:23.300 jobs in Ontario. And as Robert says, that's quite the tally for zero global environmental benefit.

00:09:31.140 So when people are saying, oh, our plan won't leave anyone behind. Well, we've already left behind 75,000

00:09:37.700 workers in Ontario and complete economic devastation. So don't believe her. Ask her questions. You know,

00:09:45.060 I think the thing that really bothers me is that I see the media letting her loop of her bloviating about

00:09:52.740 how she won't leave anyone behind going on and on. Who's asking her these hard questions? No one,

00:09:59.540 not that I could see. Yeah, you know, isn't that the truth? J.J. McCullough, journalist J.J. McCullough,

00:10:07.220 he often points out that Elizabeth May is held up like she's some sort of saint, that she's some sort of

00:10:14.100 parliamentary procedure expert, and that she is this benign and benevolent figure in Canadian

00:10:22.660 politics. And as you rightly point out, she really isn't. She's got her hands in all of this

00:10:27.620 devastation in Ontario, and she wants to replicate it nationwide. Yes, yes. And not to condemn the

00:10:34.500 woman as a person, but these are the policies that we're addressing here. And they're not founded on 1.00

00:10:39.620 anything but unicorn farts and fairy dust, really. No, no one is asking these hard questions. You cannot go from

00:10:47.700 2% renewables driving the world energy to 100% renewable overnight. You can't do it. You can't

00:10:54.500 do it in 10 years. And actually, Robert Lyman has another report out that was published by the Global

00:11:00.660 Warming Policy Foundation. It's called Transition to Reality. And he points out that all the energy

00:11:07.220 transitions over time have been at least 50 to 70 years. And renewables have been sponsored, like

00:11:15.620 subsidized now for 40 years for trillions of dollars. And they still haven't made any significant market

00:11:22.500 penetration because they can't do the job. They can't support basic society. And yet we have public

00:11:29.620 figures, candidates for office advocating for these policies. And journalists are not asking these hard

00:11:36.420 questions. That's their job. Ask. Yeah, I mean, it is their job. But when you're getting $600 million

00:11:47.380 in bailout money from the federal government to not ask the questions, expect silence.

00:11:55.860 Now, I wanted to transition into, again, another really great video that you did. I just watched it

00:12:01.620 before we popped on air here. And it is about the Wines and Nicola report. And that's about,

00:12:12.260 I suppose it's about climate change and climate change education within the curriculum. And I found

00:12:22.420 out an interesting fact. Friends of Science is somehow part of the Manitoba curriculum. And that heartens

00:12:31.460 me a lot that there's still like that little bit of common sense in the public school curriculum

00:12:37.140 when it comes to science and telling both sides of the story. But that wasn't Wines and Nicola's

00:12:42.100 position on Friends of Science, now was it? No, no, they were quite upset to find that

00:12:47.860 a so-called denier organization was even mentioned. And I haven't seen the specific curriculum document,

00:12:54.820 but according to how they described it, it was brought up by the school curriculum developers that

00:13:01.780 there is a diversity of views and it's quite contentious between scientists and quite

00:13:07.380 different between many groups of scientists. And we were offered as an example for students to read

00:13:12.340 some material and, you know, consider it and then consider the other side as well. Which the thing that

00:13:19.300 I found very odd in the Wines and Nicola's paper is that they were upset that the curriculum had not

00:13:26.980 done enough to convince students that climate change is a real emergency. Well, you know, as far

00:13:33.540 as I know, education is not about convincing people. It's about teaching them how to think critically.

00:13:39.460 And, you know, this is a pair of researchers who turned out a paper in 2017

00:13:45.300 that was very well publicized. You probably remember it where you should drive less, you should be

00:13:52.740 vegan, and you should have one less child. Now, Canada only has a birth rate of 1.6 percent,

00:14:04.500 or 1.6 children, sorry, 1.6 children. So, if you're telling people to have one less child, you're

00:14:10.020 basically telling them to wipe out Canadian society and you're giving teachers a pink slip.

00:14:14.340 So, you know, what kind of advice is that? And interestingly enough, in their most recent

00:14:20.020 paper, they conveniently leave out that part. So, I wonder why, you know, they must have known

00:14:27.540 that teachers wouldn't take kindly to it. But the other thing is, if you're talking about critical

00:14:32.180 thinking, they fail to mention that container ships put out the pollution of 50 million cars,

00:14:39.860 and your child is never going to do that. So, having one less child is not going to save the planet.

00:14:46.420 Going vegan is not going to save the planet. Driving less, you know, might save you some gas money,

00:14:52.660 but it's not going to save the planet. So, these people are getting a lot of profile in the press.

00:14:59.540 And again, the press is not asking any critical questions. When you look at some of our other

00:15:04.740 reports that I hope we'll discuss soon, you find that these big countries like China, highly industrialized,

00:15:13.460 developing nation, I think it's all of Canada's output is equivalent to what's put out in China in

00:15:21.460 three and a half months. So, you know, having one less Canadian child is not going to save the planet. 0.96

00:15:29.220 And think that that these people are critiquing school policy. I think the curriculum developers

00:15:34.900 are doing great so far. Yeah, especially in Manitoba. I'm shocked. And I really enjoyed the title of

00:15:45.300 that video. It was called Climate Diversity is Our Strength. And it's so funny because when the other

00:15:52.420 side of the argument, liberals say things like, you know, diversity is our strength, we hear it

00:15:58.020 all the time. But they literally only mean diversity of gender and diversity of color. But they never mean

00:16:05.780 the real things that really should matter. Because really, I think we, most people don't care what

00:16:12.260 color you are. And they really don't care what goes on in your bedroom. But we should be able to

00:16:17.940 tolerate people who have differing ideas about us, who examine the evidence and come to a different

00:16:23.540 conclusion. We should be able to exist in society with those people. And they should be entitled to

00:16:28.900 hold those views. And I'm refreshed to find out that the Manitoba curriculum actually teaches that

00:16:36.340 some people can look at evidence and collect other evidence on their own and come to an entirely

00:16:43.380 different conclusion. And that's okay. And it's still part of the scientific process.

00:16:48.420 Well, yes, science is about inquiry. It's not about compliance. So, you know, it's really shameful to

00:16:53.620 think that anyone is trying to impose on teachers or curriculum developers that you should only teach one

00:16:59.940 one way, one way, you know, my way is the highway. And, you know, there are also some advocates in the

00:17:07.300 school system, we ran into this a few years ago, in Alberta, where one person was advocating that not

00:17:14.180 only should children not be given diverse views on climate change, because it might confuse them, but also

00:17:22.740 the media should not publish anything that is contrary to the alleged consensus, because it might confuse

00:17:30.900 the public. So, you know, how stupid do they think people are? That's just absurd, and absurd that there's 1.00

00:17:38.180 that view in schools. You know, it really, there really is that sort of elitist sentiment, isn't there?

00:17:46.100 These are the same people who want meat taxes, sugar taxes, fat taxes, salt taxes, 0.99

00:17:52.420 because you and I are too stupid to listen to our doctors, listen to science, listen to medicine, 0.98

00:17:59.940 and come to our own decision about what we should eat and what we should put into our bodies. But at 1.00

00:18:05.060 the same time, they're the people who are legalizing drug injection sites all over the place, but they

00:18:10.260 want to tax my burger. They want to put vending machines in Vancouver now. You know, nobody wants

00:18:16.660 to help these people restore their life to wholeness. Let's just keep them on the street and drugged. 0.99

00:18:22.420 You know, and it's a terrible crisis. I'm not mocking the opioid crisis at all. It's terrible.

00:18:28.340 It's terrible, and it is affecting

00:18:29.940 so many families. I mean, and across demographics.

00:18:35.460 But there's a lot. I think that's sort of the pervasive theme of

00:18:42.260 those who are really strongly pushing

00:18:43.940 climate change. And that is this idea that they need to control your life.

00:18:50.420 And, you know, and it comes in many forms. It comes in, well, you should eat less meat

00:18:56.340 to save the planet. You should have one less child to save the planet. Meanwhile,

00:19:02.420 the Canadian replacement rate for our population collapses and the health care system implodes on

00:19:06.980 itself. But no taxpayers, no taxpayers left. And you see it in all sorts of things. Like I brought up

00:19:15.220 the not eating meat. But there's also this desire to force people to get off cars for some reason.

00:19:24.580 And Canada is this huge country, sparsely populated. You know, between Alberta's two largest cities,

00:19:32.580 there's a three-hour drive. You know, it just doesn't make sense. And you guys have a really

00:19:39.780 great report out. It's called The 85 Million Ton Obsession. And it focuses a little bit on this desire

00:19:47.780 to rid society of cars instead of just, you know, like making cars better, making the technology

00:19:53.540 more efficient, making the technology more affordable. No, we're just supposed to revert

00:19:58.660 back 150 years and hoof it everywhere. Yeah. And a lot of these policies stem from

00:20:04.980 looking at Europe, you know, where they say, oh, look at that. In Europe, you can go everywhere by train

00:20:10.420 and everybody's got a high-speed train. Well, look at the population density there and look at the

00:20:16.500 distances there. It's absurd. I mean, when you look at a city like London, it's 2000 years old.

00:20:21.940 So, of course, it's a highly densely populated area. They've built up public transportation systems

00:20:28.420 and they lead a very different life than here. And it's also quite temperate compared to Canada.

00:20:35.540 I mean, there's that book that I referred to before called Cold Welcome about how people who came

00:20:42.500 from Europe to the New World were expecting to find the new Andalusia here, hoping and thinking

00:20:47.700 that it would be the same as in nice, warm Southern Spain, only to find out that it was damn cold.

00:20:54.260 And, you know, that's a very big difference. People don't make those comparisons and understand the

00:21:00.660 difference. So, yes, the 85 ton obsession, it's another Robert Lyman report. And he notes that 15.6

00:21:07.940 million Canadians commute back and forth to work. And after five decades of the government trying to

00:21:14.660 get people out of their cars, the commuting by car has fallen from 80.7 to 79.5%. So, so far,

00:21:26.180 we're not making big progress. But now, you know, the Trudeau government in April 2019 announced new

00:21:33.780 targets for 100% new vehicle sales 100% EVs, right zero emissions, and they're granting all kinds of

00:21:43.220 money 2500 to 5000 per vehicle. But you know what this does, it brings up the carbon price equivalent to

00:21:56.980 350 to 433 dollars per ton of emissions avoided, which is many, many times, of course, the present

00:22:05.460 $20 carbon tax. And people don't understand this hidden carbon tax that's happening through these

00:22:11.380 various subsidies and legislation. And as we've seen in the past, you know, so after five decades of

00:22:18.580 trying desperately to get people out of their cars, it's not working, because we're not built for it in

00:22:24.020 Canada. It's a vast place. We don't have the population density to support the idea of high

00:22:30.420 speed train everywhere or buses everywhere. We just don't have it. How many people would be on your bus

00:22:35.540 from where you live out in the country? Just me.

00:22:38.100 Just me. I'd be driving it.

00:22:40.980 You know, once a week, maybe, you know, but if you got to go to town to get some equipment or, you know,

00:22:46.900 got to cart some hay around or pick up some egg supplies, you're not going to go by bus, you need a truck.

00:22:52.740 So it's ridiculous. Anyway, it's a great report. And it puts things in perspective on the fact that

00:22:59.940 this kind of nominal, very expensive effort will only result in an 85 million ton reduction in

00:23:10.180 greenhouse gas emissions, which is nothing in the context of the things that we've been discussing so

00:23:15.060 far. It seems like a lot of pain for absolutely no gain. And, and, and they keep doing it over and

00:23:24.820 over this. Okay. Well, we tried it this way. We didn't see any success. Let's try it this way.

00:23:30.020 We're not, we don't see any success. They keep trying it, um, without, like you say, addressing

00:23:35.940 the realities of what life is like in Canada. It's cold, it's far apart, and we're a car culture.

00:23:41.700 That's okay. And if you look at much of Alberta, it's all boom towns, either it's coal boom towns, 0.66

00:23:48.340 oil boom towns, gas boom towns. These places pop up overnight. Leduc popped up overnight.

00:23:53.380 Devon popped up overnight. Edmonton, for the most part, popped up overnight after years of just being

00:23:58.980 this loose conglomeration of little towns. It popped up overnight. And so you're dealing with

00:24:05.460 housing people, and then you deal with getting them around. And then, so how do you do that with

00:24:11.940 existing communities? How do you create high-speed rail when you've got existing communities and

00:24:17.540 highways already built to get them around? And people are happy to do that. It just doesn't

00:24:21.060 make any sense. They want us to be European bike riders and we're Alberta pickup truck drivers.

00:24:26.340 Well, you know, you can ride a bike in Europe pretty much year round. Most of Europe you can,

00:24:30.500 but you can't do it here. I mean, there are some hardcore people who do, but the average person

00:24:35.300 cannot. It's not very safe. And it's just way too cold. And the other thing to think about there,

00:24:44.180 oh, I just lost my train of thought you were just talking about. Oh, yes. When you have EVs,

00:24:49.220 one thing that people have not thought about is that, let's say we have enough EVs in Alberta that

00:24:55.140 now we need to set up more charging stations. Well, now we're going to have to run high power

00:25:00.740 transmission lines here and there. And the thing that people hate worse than pipelines

00:25:06.340 is high voltage transmission lines. So, you know, when you start putting in all these

00:25:12.500 transmission lines to bring power for EVs, first of all, it's a huge cost. You're talking billions of

00:25:20.100 dollars. Like just the line from Calgary down to the Pincher Creek wind farms, 2.2 billion dollars.

00:25:26.980 That's only about 200 kilometers. So imagine wiring Canada for EVs. And not to mention one of the things

00:25:35.700 that I find really bad about the whole legislation of these 100 percent EVs or no emission vehicles by

00:25:47.060 2040 is that we have to build more power dams. We have to build more power generation to meet that

00:25:53.460 demand. And that's trillions and trillions of dollars. Those projects take decades to build.

00:25:58.900 Like look at Site C Dam. That started 1988. That was when the first proposal went forward.

00:26:05.140 It's still not finished. So we will not have enough power to support this grand plan of everybody

00:26:13.140 driving these net zero cars. And we will likely be bankrupt and in the dark. So, you know, people

00:26:21.860 really have to think about this. It's a serious problem and we are going to run into it.

00:26:27.620 Well, Michelle, I want to transition now as we close up our interview into one of the things that's on the

00:26:34.660 top of everybody's mind. It's the election. It's looming. It's coming. Whether we're ready for it or

00:26:40.740 not. I think a lot of people are pretty ready to cast a ballot against Justin Trudeau. And I wanted to

00:26:47.940 talk to you a little bit about how Justin Trudeau has been publicly, I guess, pro pipeline. But at the same

00:26:56.420 time, he's choosing anti-pipeline candidates, whether he's nominating them or selecting them or whatever

00:27:05.060 the liberals are doing these days. Namely, Steve and Jill Boat. The liberals actually went out and

00:27:11.220 actively courted him to be a Liberal Party candidate. And he's been involved in the anti-oil, anti-fossil fuel

00:27:19.460 movement for, I guess, the better part of two decades. Yeah, I would say easily. You know,

00:27:26.980 he was formerly with Greenpeace, then he was with Equiterre in in Quebec. They call him Jesus of

00:27:32.820 Montreal, I guess, because of his beard. Maybe because he's gonna save the planet. But you know,

00:27:39.700 he and Marlo Reynolds were the first two to write an op-ed that called Alberta oil,

00:27:46.660 dirty oil. That was in 2008, I believe. Still posted on the Pembina site. You know, and he was also

00:27:55.060 part of the Liberal government. I don't know if he still is, but he was one of the advisors on

00:28:01.220 climate action. So he and a woman from Vancity originally. And so they were the ones who said we

00:28:08.660 should have electric vehicles and go all EV by 2040. So, you know, when you look at the background

00:28:15.860 of both the tar sands campaign and the push for electric vehicles, again, you find the climate

00:28:21.380 works billionaires, who are on the one hand, denigrating existing markets, and on the other

00:28:28.260 hand, promoting new markets, as a way, I guess, to drive investment and drive funding for themselves.

00:28:34.820 But, you know, we're not told that in the front. And he's one of the proponents of all this, because

00:28:40.580 these groups that he was with have been funded for millions of dollars by the tar sands campaign

00:28:46.020 and by the climate works billionaires for these pro purposes. So there's the tar sands campaign

00:28:52.580 con and against purposes. And then there's the pro purposes like EVs. And again, as we spoke before,

00:29:00.100 it sounds good, but they don't really work in Canada. And there are many problems attached to

00:29:04.100 them that people aren't talking about.

00:29:06.740 Yeah, I mean, and Justin Trudeau, for all his preening about, whoa, I bought you Albertans

00:29:12.020 a pipeline, don't you love me now? Well, that pipeline isn't built. They don't have

00:29:17.060 the approval permits to even start construction on the Sherwood Park side of the pipeline,

00:29:22.020 which exists within one of Canada's largest petrochemical facilities. And it's a secure facility.

00:29:29.300 So God, help me, tell me what conditions need to be met for the NEB to approve that pipeline.

00:29:36.260 Justin Trudeau is saying a lot of great things, but his actions really speak louder than words.

00:29:41.060 Well, and then you see on the other side, the environmental groups now are banding together

00:29:45.860 to hammer the insurance companies. I believe it's Zurich Insurance. There's 32

00:29:51.620 groups that I got, you know, there's a message from BankTrack that they're all going after these

00:29:56.340 insurance companies. So if you can't insure your big infrastructure project, then you can't build it.

00:30:02.260 And I don't know how this is legal. You know, to me, this is a tremendous market manipulation.

00:30:07.620 I don't know what authority any of these people have in terms of doing this. To me, it would be some

00:30:13.220 kind of harassment, you know, because it's not somebody sending a single letter saying,

00:30:18.660 please consider these points we make. These are point and click harassment emails by the thousands

00:30:24.900 that these companies are getting. So you can't have a government legally authorize a company to be

00:30:31.460 an insurance company, or a pipeline builder, or an oil sands developer, or an infrastructure

00:30:38.100 builder, or a coal plant operator, or natural gas plant operator, and then also allow all of these

00:30:45.540 tax subsidized ENGOs to hammer and harass these companies endlessly so that they can't do their job,

00:30:53.620 or they just give up on the territory and say, you know what, let's go work in the middle of nowhere,

00:30:58.660 because they won't bother us there.

00:31:01.780 It's the mob tactics of the internet. But in real life, it's very peculiar. It's very bizarre.

00:31:10.580 And I don't think we're really going to see any sort of change in these tactics, or at least a

00:31:16.980 renouncement of these tactics until we see a change in government. Michelle, I want to thank you so much for

00:31:22.100 being generous with your time today. One more report? Of course you can.

00:31:27.220 There's one report that Robert Lyman just did. Sure. And I think it's very important at this time

00:31:32.980 that people know that, you know, all these countries apparently promised to meet certain targets in 2015

00:31:39.140 at the Paris conference. So every five years, they're supposed to update their targets. Well,

00:31:44.740 it's almost four years now since that agreement was made. And none of the large emitting countries,

00:31:50.100 the 10 large emitting countries, of which Canada is one, except the EU, which is counted as one

00:31:56.340 country, will meet their emissions standard. And why will the EU meet it? Because they're suffering

00:32:02.420 an industrial massacre. So that means that, like, if all the other countries of the world completely

00:32:10.500 eliminated their emissions and indeed ceased to exist within 12 years, the 2 degree C target would not

00:32:17.460 be met. So have a look at this promises versus performance report. It's his latest report. And I

00:32:25.700 think it helps put things in context when these ENGOs are saying, oh, we have to meet our climate targets.

00:32:30.980 Nobody else in the world is meeting their climate targets. And the only one that's close to meeting it,

00:32:36.020 the EU is suffering an industrial massacre. And so that's not going to be good for them. In fact,

00:32:41.780 I just saw that one of the banks in Germany is about to have a route. So things are not good over

00:32:50.180 there. And it's partly because of their ridiculous climate policies. So we should not follow their path. 0.95

00:32:56.660 Anyway, isn't that funny how the only road to success in meeting climate targets is completely

00:33:05.940 destroying your own economy? Like that, that's the measure of success. I mean, it's just so crazy.

00:33:12.820 And our competitors are laughing all the way to market. You know, they're just gathering up other

00:33:17.620 countries to be their market share. We're supposed to be in the top six providers of oil and gas worldwide.

00:33:23.860 But you know, all those other competitors of ours have none of these restrictions. They've accepted

00:33:31.060 none of these restrictions. Wait, just look at the United States. They've become an exporter

00:33:36.660 of oil and gas, and they remain our one and only customer. What do we think that's going to mean for

00:33:41.860 us in five years? We're there. We're not going to be needed at all. And yet we can't build pipelines

00:33:46.820 to get to foreign markets. It's really, it's insane. It is insane. No grown up country should

00:33:54.020 be doing this to themselves. Right. And I mean, look at Europe, where are they getting all their

00:33:58.180 oil and gas and coal from? Not from us. And that's odd, because we are, you know, a former colony of

00:34:04.580 theirs. We have always had trade relations. We've got La Francophonie. We've got the Commonwealth.

00:34:10.180 Why wouldn't they say, welcome, come and talk with us? But they're, no, they're happy to work with Iran, 0.93

00:34:16.580 with Qatar, with Russia. Something strange going on there, don't you think?

00:34:21.940 It's very strange. Michelle, I want to give you a chance to let people know where they can find

00:34:27.060 some of Friends of Science's incredible, just information-packed reports and how they can support

00:34:34.100 the work that you do. Oh, thank you. Well, these recent reports are posted on our blog, and you can

00:34:39.700 find our blog through our main website, www.friendsofscience.org. So you'll find a little

00:34:46.580 spot there for the blog. And you just have to search through it to find the names, although maybe

00:34:53.620 you guys can post a link or the cover of the reports. And to become a member or to donate, there's

00:34:59.380 also a little button on our homepage. You can donate there. And we'd love to have more members,

00:35:04.340 love to have donations. We run on a very small amount of money, $150,000 a year from our members.

00:35:11.140 And we don't take government contracts. We don't have corporate donations of any denomination. And so

00:35:21.460 we do need your help, and we try to provide insights on climate science and energy policies. And we

00:35:28.580 are not dogmatic. We don't want you to agree with us. We want you to think so. And that's a dangerous

00:35:33.940 thing, I guess. Well, you know, isn't that great that for me, when I'm reading these reports, there's

00:35:42.260 not a lot of emotion in them. They're just jam-packed full of information, which is so much the opposite

00:35:48.740 of the gloom and doom, the fear and scare of the other side of the debate. It's real numbers,

00:35:54.660 hard facts, and real analysis of the data, which we don't get from the other side of the debate.

00:36:01.220 Michelle, I want to thank you so much for coming on the show. I want to thank you for being generous

00:36:05.780 with your time. And hopefully, I can check back with you in the recent future, if we're all still

00:36:11.140 alive. I think we will be. I think the 12-year thing is a scam. So we're going to be fine. Thank you.

00:36:18.180 Yeah. You're welcome, Michelle. We'll talk again. Okay. Thanks, Sheila. Bye-bye.

00:36:34.900 Well, everybody, there you have it. If the Liberals continue to have their way with energy

00:36:39.380 policy in this beautiful country, expect your life to get more expensive, less fun, less free,

00:36:45.460 and less delicious. Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight. Thank you so much for tuning in.

00:36:51.140 I'll see everybody back here in the same time, in the very same place next week. And remember,

00:36:57.380 don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.

00:37:15.460 don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.

00:37:19.540 Take care, everyone.

00:37:21.540 Bye-bye.

Rebel News Podcast - August 29, 2019

Liberals scramble for new icebreakers ⁠— but warn the Arctic is melting (GUEST： Michelle Stirling)

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