Rebel News Podcast - Lindsay Shepherd on Andrew Says

00:00:00.000 Lindsay Shepard is a cultural commentator with True North Canada who sprung into the spotlight

00:00:25.080 when she dared to show a Jordan Peterson video in a university class.

00:00:28.540 She's also the author of her new book, Diversity and Exclusion, Confronting the Campus Free Speech Crisis.

00:00:34.300 You can find her on YouTube at Lindsay Shepard.

00:00:36.580 Thanks for joining me, Lindsay. How are you doing today?

00:00:38.800 I'm doing great. Thanks for asking.

00:00:41.200 Thanks for joining me and I read a bunch of your book last night and I wanted to talk about specifically,

00:00:47.680 it's right at the beginning actually. You say, quote,

00:00:51.100 the ideology of diversity, equity, and inclusion in Canada is a Weasley concept.

00:00:56.100 Now what I was wondering when I read that because I've watched your videos for the last couple years,

00:01:01.860 did you always feel this way about these ideas or did everything that happened to you sort of push you in this direction?

00:01:08.640 I have to assume that it did.

00:01:09.860 Yeah, so before when I saw things like, you know, the language of equity and inclusion and when I would see diversity offices,

00:01:18.860 I guess I just thought to myself, whatever, these people are just creating jobs for themselves.

00:01:25.620 They're probably doing nothing.

00:01:27.620 But then I went through the Laurier controversy and I started to gain a lot more cultural knowledge around political correctness,

00:01:35.620 free speech on campus, those kinds of issues.

00:01:37.620 And I think it was then when I learned these are actually very highly ideological people and they are pushing an agenda.

00:01:44.380 And, you know, the purpose of those diversity offices on campus or elsewhere is to enforce viewpoints in people.

00:01:52.980 So I went from kind of thinking they don't do anything to, oh, these are, they definitely have an agenda they're pushing.

00:02:01.140 Now, a lot of the battle, so to speak, is equity versus equality.

00:02:06.940 And people tout equity a lot as being what the preferred outcome should be.

00:02:11.580 We should have a forced quota of, let's say, black, Latino, and white people all the same. 1.00

00:02:17.820 Why is it, in your opinion, a bad thing to want equity as an outcome?

00:02:25.260 So, I mean, I am a big proponent of diversity.

00:02:28.980 I mean, I believe there should be diversity of life experience, diversity of viewpoints, diversity of opinion.

00:02:34.980 But when it comes to superficial factors, I don't really see much of a benefit.

00:02:41.380 Or at least, you know, I don't agree that it should be just this number one goal, which is what it is right now.

00:02:47.740 It's a number one goal to have, you know, this amount of women, this amount of BIPOC, you know, black, indigenous people of color. 1.00

00:02:56.860 Whereas I think what we should put the emphasis on is diversity of life experience.

00:03:02.020 And where do you see this taking the most effect?

00:03:06.580 I mean, do we have enough time where this has been going on where we can see negative outcomes from this thinking?

00:03:14.920 I don't know.

00:03:15.720 And it's hard because I'm someone who went to university starting in 2012.

00:03:21.200 And, for example, in Jonathan Haidt and Greg Lukianoff's book, The Coddling of the American Mind, that's the title of the book, right?

00:03:28.900 I believe so.

00:03:29.460 Not just the article?

00:03:30.040 Yeah.

00:03:30.240 I think they trace all this back to 2013 or 2014, around then.

00:03:35.860 So I'm someone who hasn't known anything else.

00:03:40.140 And so it's hard for me to say, whereas other people have, I mean, there's some who say Marxism in universities and that kind of stuff goes back way, like, decades.

00:03:50.940 But the social justice orientation on campus is kind of all I've ever known.

00:03:57.380 And it does, it goes back to high school, too.

00:04:00.220 But it's even worse now, I would say, for students.

00:04:02.500 It's starting in elementary school.

00:04:04.040 Every single elementary school in Canada basically says they're on, what, like, unceded territory and stuff like that.

00:04:10.380 And that's a very political statement.

00:04:12.400 You know, you're telling, you're priming these kids to think that they don't belong in the place that they were born or the place that they're living and going to school.

00:04:21.580 Yeah, I remember it going back to high school, but it was more of a half of a joke, more of an idea.

00:04:28.120 These old white men are controlling everything. 1.00

00:04:30.720 But it wasn't really taught.

00:04:32.480 I say it wasn't really.

00:04:33.540 I don't recall a teacher saying anything like that until I got to college, until we had a media teacher telling us what was what in her world.

00:04:43.400 So I don't know.

00:04:45.300 I think it has gotten much worse as the years have gone on.

00:04:48.280 And definitely we can now point to the most recent years where it's sort of exploded.

00:04:53.100 You have a hilarious video I wanted to show people.

00:04:55.880 It's an anti-racism video that's on your YouTube channel.

00:04:59.220 I want to ask you about it and how you came up with this.

00:05:02.020 So let's go ahead and play that and we'll get your reaction.

00:05:04.960 It is time to have an uncomfortable conversation in this country about confronting systemic racism.

00:05:11.520 In Canada, we are known for being polite.

00:05:14.060 But that politeness covers up an ugly reality of racism.

00:05:18.020 Canada has a long history of oppressing racialized communities.

00:05:21.800 And while things have gotten better, there is still a lot of work to be done.

00:05:25.460 We need to listen to the voices of Black and Indigenous people.

00:05:29.220 We need to amplify their voices because racism causes harm.

00:05:34.480 We need to acknowledge our own biases.

00:05:36.960 But we don't just need words.

00:05:38.880 We need action.

00:05:40.480 Canada is a diverse country.

00:05:42.580 But we need to ensure that that diversity is reflected in our government, media, and education systems.

00:05:49.040 We have a duty to reflect diverse communities and make sure that all voices at the table are heard.

00:05:55.480 We can do better.

00:05:56.960 We need change.

00:06:00.080 How do we bring about change?

00:06:02.220 We need real solutions.

00:06:03.760 We need to elevate the voices of racialized communities.

00:06:07.440 We need to confront our biases.

00:06:09.780 We need to dismantle systems of oppression.

00:06:12.800 We need to ask, are our offices and boardrooms showcasing diversity?

00:06:17.380 Bringing about this change is going to involve some really difficult and uncomfortable and even awkward conversations.

00:06:24.640 But these are important conversations.

00:06:26.940 And we need to start this dialogue.

00:06:28.840 Because this isn't just an American problem.

00:06:31.240 It's a Canadian problem too.

00:06:32.800 It is time to bring about real change.

00:06:35.880 And we can do better.

00:06:37.840 That's a very nice PSA.

00:06:40.340 Lindsay, where did you come up with the idea to do that?

00:06:42.500 So I think this was from June 2020, which was after the George Floyd death.

00:06:48.960 And I just found every single corporation and government making the same kind of statement.

00:06:54.820 And it sounds like exactly what I said.

00:06:57.180 They said all these words.

00:06:59.180 And I just wanted to parody it.

00:07:01.080 And actually, fun fact, in the 24 hours of me posting that video on YouTube, I lost over 500 subscribers, like, right away.

00:07:10.780 Because people thought I was serious.

00:07:12.320 I was going to say, one of the best comments on there is, if you're not careful, you're going to get elected to government with that attitude.

00:07:18.240 Yeah.

00:07:18.580 And also lots of comments saying, oh, I thought you would have known better after what you went through at Wilfrid Laurier.

00:07:24.320 And it's like, okay, obviously, just read the description, and you can tell it's a joke.

00:07:28.720 I lost a lot of subscribers after posting that.

00:07:31.400 Well, it sounds like it's time for another one.

00:07:33.400 On a more serious note, have you heard any of the diversity-related arguments, like, somewhere along the lines of what is actually being parodied here?

00:07:41.620 Have you heard any arguments that have made sense or made you think that maybe there's something deeper to be explored there?

00:07:49.740 Like, that we should hire people because of their skin color or gender?

00:07:54.320 No, more like, I understand that's ridiculous, but more along the lines of, let's go with the native argument, for example.

00:08:02.400 I'm sure in your travels by this point, you've been accosted by a lot of people who have said pretty much what you've said in the video.

00:08:10.180 Have any of them had any ideas that you think are worth exploring?

00:08:15.720 No.

00:08:19.360 That's as simple as you can put it, I guess.

00:08:21.180 Now, has your return sort of to the spotlight with your book sparked recognizable criticisms that you had, let's say, three years ago?

00:08:31.460 Do you mean am I seeing comments from people that are criticizing me that I think are worthy criticisms?

00:08:37.040 No, I'm saying is it back to the old normal as opposed to the new normal?

00:08:42.880 Have the criticisms come back to you where they're saying that you're anti-this and an ism that?

00:08:49.480 Have they started attacking you again?

00:08:51.420 Has anybody started attacking you again for coming out with a book like this?

00:08:55.820 No, I don't think so.

00:08:57.300 And what's nice about having the book is I really got the opportunity to explain everything.

00:09:03.460 And, you know, maybe some of the critics will read it.

00:09:07.420 And I am interested in reading every single review of the book.

00:09:11.380 That's something I've made clear, whether it's a congratulatory review or if it's critical.

00:09:17.480 I want to read everything.

00:09:20.540 But, yeah, I did get the chance to say everything that I thought about the Laurier controversy.

00:09:25.500 And I laid everything out.

00:09:27.860 And I'm hoping I'll get some good feedback.

00:09:32.060 But I think it's still kind of early right now.

00:09:35.640 Hopefully some more hate mail, Lindsay.

00:09:38.320 Something I noticed you tweeting about recently was about chapters.

00:09:42.080 And I think there's a CBC article we can pull up that you referenced.

00:09:45.740 And they're not honoring mask exemptions.

00:09:48.520 Now, I did a video recently about retailers denying exemptions,

00:09:52.660 which, of course, is not a thing.

00:09:55.140 You can't just say that we don't have to follow the bylaw there.

00:09:58.500 This is about a daughter who had her mask exemption.

00:10:01.200 I think you said three times denied at chapters.

00:10:06.580 Well, not three times.

00:10:08.300 So this was the third high-profile incident of chapters denying entry or kicking someone out

00:10:14.800 who could not wear a mask.

00:10:17.740 And so this, yeah, this is the most recent.

00:10:19.620 And, of course, there's probably a lot more incidents of chapters Indigo doing this.

00:10:23.480 But in December of 2020, a 12-year-old boy with severe autism was kicked out of the store

00:10:31.020 because he wouldn't wear a mask.

00:10:32.980 I think the mom in that case launched a human rights tribunal complaint, which is great.

00:10:37.780 And there was another woman in Vancouver trying to enter chapters who, 0.78

00:10:43.160 I think she was a Paralympian, so she didn't have hands. 1.00

00:10:46.620 And so she couldn't put on a mask.

00:10:49.900 And they still wouldn't let her in.

00:10:52.800 And so after seeing all this, like the way I saw it was three strikes, you're out, right?

00:10:57.720 I will never support chapters again.

00:10:59.800 I think supporting chapters after seeing all this is completely unethical.

00:11:04.000 And people's thinking is all wrong on this because it should be, if you are scared to go out in public, you can stay home.

00:11:12.840 It's not that everyone who's happy to be going about their lives should be staying home.

00:11:17.720 Like people have it all warped.

00:11:20.020 Who's to say that these people, you know, like disabled people or not, 1.00

00:11:24.720 can't just have a day where they go out and buy a new book?

00:11:28.420 Like, who are you to say, oh, they have to shop online and curbside pickup?

00:11:33.500 No, if you're scared to go out in public, you can do that.

00:11:36.580 The rest of us, we're not scared.

00:11:39.220 It's also illegal to discriminate against a person and make them, force them into a different form of service.

00:11:45.980 Just like, it'd be like saying, we don't have a wheelchair ramp too bad.

00:11:49.900 You're going to have to be subject to online or outdoor pickup only.

00:11:53.840 And you kind of mentioned it there.

00:11:55.360 I wanted to ask you, I believe on your Twitter you asked if people boycott anything.

00:12:00.680 So do you think boycotting is an effective thing to do to put your money where your mouth is

00:12:06.400 and sort of teach these corporations?

00:12:08.360 Because like you said, it's not the only place.

00:12:10.320 Canadian Tire is a big offender, in my opinion.

00:12:12.660 One place that I criticized threatened to sue us, sue me and David Menzies.

00:12:17.860 So there's all sorts of this stuff.

00:12:19.320 Do you think boycotting is something people should be doing more often?

00:12:23.480 Yeah, I think so.

00:12:24.380 I think that's one of the best ways to show your support or show your disapproval in the pandemic is, you know, chapters.

00:12:32.600 And I'm not I'm not saying this is someone who never went to chapters anyway.

00:12:35.460 Like I bought there frequently.

00:12:38.380 I had like a plum rewards card and I honestly won't go there again.

00:12:42.760 I mean, I'm pretty accustomed to only buying things that I believe in and that I'm ethically aligned with.

00:12:51.600 I'm a vegetarian, for example.

00:12:53.300 So I do believe that, you know, buying alternative meat products and not consuming meat is good.

00:13:01.540 And on the flip side, there was this woman. 0.95

00:13:08.700 She was actually in the news recently and she owns a clothing shop in Tofino, Euclid in B.C.

00:13:14.400 It's called Pina and it's just her designs.

00:13:18.000 I think she prints mostly on clothing that is made in Vancouver, too.

00:13:21.920 So not made in China, but made in Vancouver.

00:13:23.680 And I saw that I was familiar with her shop and I just was looking at her Instagram one day and I saw that she was writing about how it's wrong for kids to wear masks.

00:13:35.720 And pretty much right after seeing that post, I bought something from her shop because I was thinking I want to support business owners who are speaking out against this.

00:13:44.720 I think recently she was in the news because she compared wearing masks to residential schools, which I mean, we can criticize those kinds of comparisons.

00:13:54.640 But I do want to support business owners who speak out and I think we should do that.

00:14:01.640 I think people are very apolitical about their money a lot of the times and they think they won't make a difference, blah, blah.

00:14:07.540 But I think it's a good way to live is only and it makes you feel better, too, to to really buy from people who you're aligned with and boycott people who are doing everything that's contrary to a free society.

00:14:22.420 I mean, chapters, their their policy is two years and older needs a mask.

00:14:27.520 That's just ridiculous.

00:14:28.960 There's there's no way.

00:14:30.980 My son just turned two and I was kind of waiting for this because I wanted to see what he would do if he was presented with a mask.

00:14:37.820 And he just turns his face like there's no way you're getting toddlers to wear masks.

00:14:43.300 There's some parents who specifically train their children to do it and they'll they'll post about that online.

00:14:48.700 They'll say, like, oh, starting at, you know, 20 months old, I started training my son how to wear a mask.

00:14:54.100 And it's like, oh, it's just sad.

00:14:58.000 I want to get more into the lockdowns later, but I just want to ask you, do you think that this sort of thing, like what you just mentioned,

00:15:03.800 has it turned into sort of a virtue signal, just as so many other things have, but wearing masks, taking a vaccine and spouting off on social media about it?

00:15:14.800 Do you think there's a lot of that other than as opposed to this being for my health and this is what's right, more of a popularity thing?

00:15:21.720 Yeah, absolutely. You can kind of tell like so I've been confronted, you know, over the past year about not wearing a mask,

00:15:31.280 not social distancing or like one lady confronted me because at the mall, I my toddler was trying to go through the exit door instead of the enter door.

00:15:42.700 And you can tell they just love to tell you you're wrong and they love to to tell you what to do.

00:15:50.980 And I like I think it's people refer to it as petty authoritarianism. Right.

00:15:55.140 I mean, you know, and interestingly, it's most of the time it's other women trying to tell me what to do. 1.00

00:16:00.760 Like I was at a ski resort skiing one day. And I mean, so, you know, you have to wear a face covering when you go skiing,

00:16:09.620 which is and it's just silly because when you're skiing, you are outdoors.

00:16:14.780 Your equipment kind of makes you not near other people. You're wearing gloves, etc.

00:16:20.660 And so for one second, I wanted to take down. I think it's called a snood, my snood, because it was just gross.

00:16:29.340 Like when you're skiing, it gets wet, it gets snowy, like your snot is in it.

00:16:34.340 Like, I don't want to have that on my face. So I pull it down and immediately, you know, the woman's like, you need to put your mask on. 1.00

00:16:41.400 Like, they just they just love it. And it's it's the women in my case, always women telling me what to do. 0.98

00:16:48.440 So that's interesting, because I also see women as being more vocally against this stuff. 0.85

00:16:53.840 So it might be something worth exploring you, not me, because you're smarter than me, of the core possible correlation between this,

00:17:01.640 because I'm noticing more women declining to wear masks, opening more businesses, things like that and standing up against it. 0.99

00:17:11.420 So it's interesting that women are more, I think I don't have a study to back this up. 1.00

00:17:15.380 But I think what I've noticed is more emboldened in both directions, both directions.

00:17:19.260 It sounds like something else I wanted to talk to you about was you mentioned it to Ezra Levant,

00:17:24.440 how you were sort of thrust into this position. And I want to get you to expand on that.

00:17:28.580 So let's show that short clip, Justin, of Lindsay talking to Ezra.

00:17:33.160 No, as I write on the blurb of the book, I went from going from a nobody to going viral.

00:17:38.920 So I had no social media accounts. I was not active in that kind of sphere at all.

00:17:44.300 And this book tells the story of being thrust into those issues and learning about free speech and political correctness,

00:17:53.700 those kinds of issues really quickly and immersing myself in them,

00:17:57.140 because I just kind of found myself in the middle of something.

00:18:01.240 Now, you mentioned there you didn't have social media accounts until you're sort of thrust into this.

00:18:05.200 Besides everything to do with promotion and the public profile you have now,

00:18:09.540 would you prefer not to have them, to not have to engage in the sort of the social media world?

00:18:19.280 I'm not sure how to answer that.

00:18:21.440 I do see social media as it was crucial for getting my message out during the Laurier controversy.

00:18:28.080 It was my way of fighting back against the university because that's what, you know,

00:18:35.460 made them respond is people on social media, right?

00:18:39.400 And the people who were invested in the case.

00:18:43.540 Yeah, I go back and forth on the social media thing.

00:18:47.220 And how do you think it has affected activism and people's causes?

00:18:52.120 Do you think it overall has a way of just like clouding the real message?

00:18:56.680 Do you think, like we mentioned with masking and everything,

00:18:59.520 that it's used sort of as a more of a boasting apparatus.

00:19:02.760 Do you think it's an overall net positive for people making change?

00:19:06.280 Or do you think it convolutes messaging too much?

00:19:10.580 I believe that, you know, activism requires in-person gatherings.

00:19:18.060 And so I think that's why I've been someone who's been pretty anti-lockdown since March 12, 2020.

00:19:23.700 Because I believe that in-person is crucial to, you know, you need to connect with other people.

00:19:31.180 You need to meet in person.

00:19:32.520 There's just something that happens physically that you can't replicate on Zoom.

00:19:37.800 And so, I mean, but at the same time, I find out about rallies.

00:19:44.780 I mean, I was just at, over the weekend in Vancouver, I think it was April 10th.

00:19:50.800 It was the stand-up, speak-up rally against child gender transitioning.

00:19:55.480 I think Drea from The Rebel was there.

00:19:57.520 I saw her.

00:19:59.340 And I mean, I found out about that online.

00:20:01.700 I find out about anti-lockdown rallies online.

00:20:05.860 But then, you know, I'm the kind of person who then finds out about it and still shows up in person.

00:20:11.660 Whereas I think a lot of people, I don't know, they wouldn't show up in person.

00:20:17.020 But yeah, and it's the same reason why I'm frankly quite surprised that students in university, or even students, yeah, no, students in universities, why they're not speaking out against school being online.

00:20:33.160 I mean, they're paying the same fees just to be sitting in front of a screen all day.

00:20:37.780 And no one in Canada has said anything about that, or protested, or marched, or anything, which is pretty surprising to me.

00:20:47.200 They're busy getting the diversity.

00:20:49.700 That's what they're arguing about right now.

00:20:52.020 Now, you mentioned March 2020 is when you went to the first protest.

00:20:55.220 You did a video about it.

00:20:56.340 It's been over a year.

00:20:57.500 I want to show a piece of that, and I want to compare that to how you might feel about the lockdowns and everything today.

00:21:02.900 So let's play that clip, Justin.

00:21:03.980 In that, the anti-lockdown crowd, they're concerned about jobs and family finances and paying rent and, in some cases, government overreach, as demonstrated by the nonsensical fines that have been given out by bylaw officers and the nonsensical closure of parks.

00:21:22.460 We've now got a $180 billion deficit to deal with, and that was the figure from a couple weeks ago, so it's surely more now.

00:21:30.040 So how is this deficit going to affect the quality of life for the next generations of citizens who will be the ones responsible for paying that off?

00:21:39.680 A year later, Lindsay Shepard, have we changed our feelings about it at all?

00:21:43.980 Are you more anti-lockdown?

00:21:45.880 Has the mental health and monetary effects gotten worse?

00:21:51.620 They have to.

00:21:52.180 You know, I'm pretty proud that that aged well.

00:21:56.360 I think it's risky, because I think I started speaking out in March or April 2020 about being anti-lockdown.

00:22:04.820 And at that point, it's kind of more of a risk, because there wasn't as much research out.

00:22:12.520 There wasn't as much data.

00:22:13.740 And so you could get COVID, and everyone would laugh at you.

00:22:17.160 And if you died from COVID, people would probably think it's funny.

00:22:20.220 But I'm lucky.

00:22:22.140 I'm proud that those clips aged well.

00:22:25.840 And I think more people have actually become anti-lockdown, for sure, over the past year.

00:22:31.120 I was listening to one of Bonnie Henry's conferences the other day, who's the chief medical officer in BC.

00:22:37.780 And it's crazy how over a year later, she's saying the exact same things.

00:22:42.580 You know, she says, still, stay home.

00:22:45.720 And she said, you know, you can't travel from one suburb in the lower mainland of BC to another suburb.

00:22:51.840 It's just, I can't believe people are obeying it.

00:22:56.340 I mean, we're a year on now.

00:22:58.480 Even California is opening up.

00:23:01.100 Quebec and Ontario are very harshly locked down, Quebec more so.

00:23:05.400 I can list off states off the top of my head that are open, even with mask-free.

00:23:09.640 Why is Canada so far behind, do you think?

00:23:13.520 I don't know.

00:23:14.400 I don't get it.

00:23:15.360 And sometimes I think, you know, I'm someone who's been to multiple anti-lockdown rallies.

00:23:21.540 I'm shaking hands with people.

00:23:23.100 I'm not wearing a mask.

00:23:24.460 Neither is anyone else.

00:23:25.580 And I did a video about this for True North.

00:23:27.260 I emailed, you know, the health departments of the provinces that have seen lots of anti-lockdown rallies with hundreds or even thousands of people.

00:23:34.940 And I said, what kind of case numbers are you seeing from these rallies?

00:23:39.400 And I'm pretty sure the answer is zero.

00:23:42.600 They wouldn't respond or they would just say they can't collect the data because, you know, the people who would go to those protests will lie about they won't get tested and stuff like that.

00:23:51.960 But, yeah, I have to wonder.

00:23:53.680 I mean, I'm someone who has been living my life almost completely the same, except for what I'm literally not allowed to do, like cross the border into the U.S.

00:24:03.060 Why am I not dead yet?

00:24:04.460 Why do I not know a single person with COVID?

00:24:07.280 Why I've been seeing my in-laws, my family on all sides.

00:24:12.220 Why do none of us have COVID?

00:24:13.540 Why are none of us dead?

00:24:15.300 You sound like a career criminal to me.

00:24:18.460 You sound like a career criminal is what it's come to.

00:24:22.060 Do you support any of the political parties' responses in Canada to all of this?

00:24:27.360 Well, I was happy to see the end of the lockdown caucus.

00:24:33.620 So I think the three main figures are Maxime Bernier of the PPC, Derek Sloan, who is now an independent MP, kicked out of the Conservative Party, of course, and Ontario MPP, Randy Hillier.

00:24:47.700 I mean, yeah, I support that.

00:24:49.260 That's good to see.

00:24:50.780 Are any of the politicians in my local area doing anything?

00:24:54.720 Doesn't look like it.

00:24:55.560 Okay, and I would have to agree.

00:24:59.100 The same ones keep coming up again and again.

00:25:03.740 Maxime Bernier, Derek Sloan, Randy Hillier.

00:25:05.580 I think those are the only three politicians we can point to that have gone to different rallies, gone to different events.

00:25:11.020 Sloan was at the church.

00:25:14.640 Bernier is talking about Montreal.

00:25:17.020 So it seems like it's not widespread.

00:25:19.440 It seems like the messaging has been the same through the Liberals and Conservative parties.

00:25:23.980 The NDP just want perpetual lockdowns with free stuff, so we don't even need to mention them.

00:25:28.560 But I agree.

00:25:29.500 It's not that simple in terms of who can I point to that's going to support my views on this.

00:25:35.860 Even though I'd say at least 25% of the country is probably anti-lockdown, there's not even 25% of the support from politicians.

00:25:44.900 And nor has the Conservative Party actually mentioned anything about it other than wanting to commission a study about the effects of it or how it was dealt with.

00:25:55.140 Let's get started.

00:26:25.120 Lindsay, now you're free to, you can eat while we talk, you can throw stuff at the camera.

00:26:30.760 I always encourage that.

00:26:32.560 Is there anyone who you specifically support?

00:26:35.540 You mentioned those three people.

00:26:37.040 Do you throw your hat in with them on at least most of what they talk about?

00:26:40.640 Or is there any other politicians that we're missing that you specifically support?

00:26:43.420 So, in general, I've never been very inspired by any Canadian politician.

00:26:52.800 And I think it's because to be a politician in Canada, you have to be someone who plays the rules.

00:26:59.140 You can't really have any kind of edge.

00:27:01.640 You have to be quite establishment.

00:27:03.320 And so I've just never felt myself very, you know, attracted towards that.

00:27:10.440 I would like to see someone come out who has a little more edge or has had, you know, a hard time growing up.

00:27:18.380 Like something like that.

00:27:19.220 Who came out of a difficult life circumstance rather than just being a lawyer or a banker.

00:27:23.380 So, yeah, but, you know, that being said, who do I find myself most aligned with right now?

00:27:31.680 Yeah, Maxime Bernier and Derek Sloan, probably.

00:27:34.800 I think the closest you're getting to edgy is Derek Sloan.

00:27:37.280 I mean, Maxime Bernier with the Quebecois accent, I can comment on this.

00:27:43.100 I'm French myself.

00:27:44.220 It doesn't sound so edgy.

00:27:46.060 But Derek Sloan, I think, was the closest we were going to get, especially in the Conservative Party, to saying anything that was out of line.

00:27:52.060 Now, comment on this as much or as little as you want.

00:27:55.200 But are you as disappointed, and I am, in the Conservative Party's inability to speak out against lockdowns, against freedoms being taken away?

00:28:05.020 There is barely a mention of the quarantine facilities, the forced confinement, I'll call it.

00:28:10.160 How do you feel about their response to that from that party?

00:28:14.380 Yeah, it seems like what they're really focusing on is, you know, how slow the vaccine response is.

00:28:21.320 And, you know, you see the media talking about how slow the vaccines are coming into Canada.

00:28:26.320 I don't care about the vaccine at all.

00:28:28.520 Thank you.

00:28:29.040 I don't care.

00:28:29.440 Thank you.

00:28:31.420 I don't care to get it.

00:28:32.860 I don't care who gets it first.

00:28:34.320 So when I see all this squabbling about, like, oh, we want to get it first.

00:28:38.140 We want this.

00:28:38.880 We want this.

00:28:39.440 I just, I look at the headline.

00:28:41.220 I've never, I don't, I haven't opened many articles about that stuff because it's just squabbling.

00:28:45.640 Um, but as for the CPC, um, yeah, I think they're, they're very disappointing.

00:28:52.260 Um, you know, with Derek Sloan being kicked out of the party for getting a donation from

00:28:56.760 Frederick from, you know, like a fake name of thousands of donations.

00:29:02.460 It's just, and wasn't Aaron O'Toole supposed to speak out against cancel culture?

00:29:06.920 And I guess.

00:29:07.760 Aaron O'Toole has not spoken out against anything in the past year.

00:29:10.780 And I'm sorry to cut you off there, but he, he, he talked such a big game about the CBC

00:29:16.100 and now he, and he's going to cancel China.

00:29:18.400 I don't predict him canceling anything.

00:29:20.520 I don't think he's going to get elected, but there's been so many low hanging fruits

00:29:24.320 about online censorship, about the lockdowns that he could have just gained so much support,

00:29:29.000 but it seems like he just keeps going for liberal voters that are never going to vote

00:29:32.660 for him.

00:29:33.160 Do you agree?

00:29:34.860 Yeah, I think that's exactly their strategy is bring over liberal voters.

00:29:39.180 That's, that's their strategy.

00:29:41.920 And even at the child gender transitioning rally, Barry Neufeld spoke there.

00:29:48.000 He's the Chilliwack school trustee who spoke out against SOGI 123, which is a like radical

00:29:53.660 sex ed program in BC.

00:29:55.880 And they've, you know, the province is going after his position as trustee.

00:30:00.480 They've been trying for years to, to get him out, but it's just not working, which is pretty

00:30:05.100 funny.

00:30:05.700 And he said at the rally during his speech that the conservative party sent him an email

00:30:11.320 or a letter revoking his membership.

00:30:14.980 Any speaking out from the conservatives around Ontario, the progressive conservatives, if

00:30:20.900 we're still calling them that, gets you exiled.

00:30:24.500 It's really sad.

00:30:25.380 They don't even have the, have the, the balls to, to say definitively one way or the other.

00:30:31.220 So it's gotten to the point where I don't believe that there's much of a difference between

00:30:35.000 the two major parties.

00:30:37.440 Jagmeet's a whole different story.

00:30:39.020 We could talk about Jagmeet all day, but I digress.

00:30:42.720 Last question to you, Lindsay, we got about a minute left.

00:30:45.360 What kind of messages are you getting your inbox lately?

00:30:48.200 Hate, love, news articles.

00:30:50.040 What's the deep dive into Lindsay's DMs? 0.99

00:30:52.300 Uh, I would say mostly just congrats about my book and requests for interviews about

00:30:59.580 my book.

00:31:00.120 So I would say it's pretty positive right now.

00:31:02.340 That's not exciting at all, Lindsay Shepard.

00:31:04.280 Sorry.

00:31:04.800 Okay.

00:31:05.360 Any last words to you?

00:31:08.460 Nope.

00:31:09.320 Okay, fine.

00:31:10.040 You can find her, Lindsay Shepard on YouTube and New World Hominin on Twitter.

00:31:14.420 And of course, her new book is out.

00:31:15.820 Get it on Amazon.

00:31:17.020 Get it on True North.

00:31:18.520 And thanks for joining me, Lindsay.

00:31:20.120 Had a good time talking to you.

00:31:21.560 Hope we can do it again.

00:31:22.300 Hope we can do it again.

Rebel News Podcast - April 16, 2021

Lindsay Shepherd on Andrew Says

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