Lockdowns are ending in the USA and the UK. Why is Canada getting stricter？
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The lockdowns are ending in America and the UK, but why are we still in a lockdown in Canada? Ezra Levenoran takes you through every province and territory except for New Brunswick to explain why. Plus, Texas Governor Rick Perry announces a ban on indoor eating and drinking in public places.
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Hello, my friends. I want to show you what's going on in Texas and Florida. Those are very
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big states, and they have big cities and also rural parts, and there's just, like, they're
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almost little countries. Like, Texas is really a country in itself, and Florida could make the case
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too. And yet, these places are so done with the lockdown because they're so done with the
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disease. They're getting back to normal. Why aren't we? And I'm going to show you some stats
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that you probably haven't seen before. Did you know that the death counts in every single province
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and territory except for New Brunswick are plunging in Canada? Like, I'm talking 80, 90, 95 percent
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dropping. Why are we still in a lockdown? I'll take you through this today. I really want you to see
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it, though. I take you through every province graph by graph, and I'll verbally say that. You can get
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that in the podcast. But this is one of those examples where I wish you could see the charts
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because I'm going to take you through Teresa Tam's own charts and show you that the death count is
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Tonight, the lockdowns are ending in America and the UK. Why is Canada getting stricter?
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Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?
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There's 8,500 customers here and you won't give them an answer.
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The only thing I have to say to the government about why I'm publishing it is because it's my
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Look at this tweet from the governor of Texas. This was on March 2nd, two and a half months
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ago. He said, Texas is open 100 percent, everything. I also ended the statewide mask mandate.
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Now, I'm not sure if you can see it, but 330,000 people took the time to like that tweet. That's
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a lot for Twitter. I bet that was the most popular thing that the governor has ever said on Twitter.
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I think he spoke for millions, maybe tens of millions of people, maybe hundreds of millions.
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But not everyone. Look at this reply from a Democrat in Texas, Beto O'Rourke.
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A death warrant for Texans. Add them to the 44,000 plus killed as he failed to confront the pandemic
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and botched the vaccine rollout. He continues, and those who froze to death because he cares more
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about energy companies' profits than keeping Texans alive. Abbott is killing the people of Texas.
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So right after that, he was accused of signing a death warrant. He cares more about companies
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than people. He's killing people. Not the virus. He is. Well, Trudeau's CBC state broadcaster,
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which we pay $1.5 billion to every year for Canadian content we can't find elsewhere,
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they were obsessed by this tweet by the Texas governor. They were doing stories about it. I'm
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not sure why. It really doesn't have anything to do with Canada, except one thing I'll tell you in a
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minute. This is their story. Texas ends pandemic mask mandate despite warnings from medical experts.
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Doesn't he know? Several businesses say they will maintain a mask on policy despite the governor's
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move. I'm just going to read two paragraphs. This is what Trudeau wants you to know about this Texas
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decision. So it's very important. It had to be in the state broadcaster in Canada.
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The Republican governor has faced sharp criticism from his party over the mandate, which was imposed
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eight months ago amid other COVID-19 restrictions. It was only ever lightly enforced even during the
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worst outbreaks of the pandemic. Texas will also do away with limits on the number of diners
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that businesses can serve indoors, said Abbott, who made the announcement at a restaurant in Lubbock.
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He said the new rules would take effect March 10th. Boy, the CBC are mad about it, aren't they? And no one
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knows Texas Republican politics better than the CBC. So they said that this was very unpopular with
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Republicans, they said. I think it's safe to conclude that the reason they went so heavy on the story is they
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didn't want anyone in Canada getting big ideas about freedom, did they? All right, so that was March 2nd.
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It's almost June, actually. So how's that all working out? Well, here's a summary of their latest
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statistics illustrated in this tweet by a jam-packed baseball stadium down there. Let me read the
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facts that were announced yesterday. Zero COVID-related deaths in the whole state. Fewest COVID cases in over
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13 months. Lowest seven-day COVID new case rates. Lowest COVID hospitalizations in 11 months.
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They're just done. In fact, they're not locking down citizens anymore, bullying people with big
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fines or snitch lines. They're actually doing the opposite. The governor is now threatening any
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officials who still want to party like it's 2020, who love the lockdown. The governor is declaring war on
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them. The Karens, as the unfortunate nickname went. I know there's a lot of viewers named Karen who
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don't like that. He's declaring war on the scolds, on the snitches, on the punishers. Look at this tweet
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by Greg Abbott, the governor. Texas is prohibiting mask mandates by government entities. Starting May 21st,
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local governments attempting to impose mask mandates can be fined up to $1,000. We're also
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prohibiting public schools from mandating masks after June 4th. Texans, not government, should
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decide their best health practices. So no government officials can tell you to wear a mask anymore. If
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they do, the government officials will be fine. No schools can make you do it either, at least not
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the public schools. That was all junk science anyways. It was all politics. It's all fear. And they're
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done with it in Texas. Same in Florida, too. Those are two of the three biggest states, you know.
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In Florida, I think I might have showed you this the other day. Their governor, Ron DeSantis, who I
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hope runs for president in 2024, he just declared that every single charge against every single person
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in Florida for a COVID violation, like our Fight the Fines project here in Canada, he just said they're
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all pardoned. Just all of them. Did you see that? Well, it's a total overreach, Laura. This is exactly
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what we ordered against last summer, many, many months ago. And so I was actually just recently
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briefed on this case. And we looked at it. And so I'm glad you have Mike and Jillian on.
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And I'm also glad to be on to be able to say that effective tomorrow morning, I'm going to sign
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a reprieve under my constitutional authority. So that'll delay the case for 60 days against both of
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them. And then when our clemency board meets in the coming weeks, we'll issue pardons not only for
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Mike and Jillian, but for any Floridian that may have outstanding infractions for things like masks
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and social distancing. He did the same thing on the masks in schools. I think he was a little bit ahead
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of the Texas governor. Do you see that one? These kids do not need to be wearing these masks,
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okay? I'm sorry, they don't. We need to be able to let them be kids and let them act normally.
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And that's what should be the case in the fall throughout the school year.
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So that's some of the biggest states in America. And here's our reporter, Lincoln Jay. We sent him
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to London in the United Kingdom. They've opened up the pubs now. It's pretty much normal there now,
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not 100% normal, but getting there. Lincoln tells me that he sees some people with masks,
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some people without them. But there's none of this vicious scolding and finger pointing and snitching
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we have in most places in Canada. In fact, I thought this was interesting. He said he was on
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the tube, that's the subway in London, and the public announcement positively cautioned people
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against assuming that someone without a mask is breaking the rules and positively reminding people
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that you may have an exemption for the mask. And the reason might not be visually apparent.
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You know, the person might have asthma. So you might not see the reason for the exemption.
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But the announcement in the tube says, don't assume they don't have an exemption. My point is,
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even the scolding announcements in the UK, says Lincoln, take pains to say, hey, don't pick on
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this guy for not wearing a mask. How different from our own East Germany style civic culture here in
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Canada? Yesterday, I showed you a story about the Alberta government's plan to hire private
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mercenaries to fly surveillance drones, hunting down campers and backpackers out in Alberta's
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wonderful backcountry parks. Now, you might think I'm being dramatic by using the language mercenaries,
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but I don't think I am. It was a military style operation. Infrared sensors, that's for use at night.
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Daily operational reports, spying on people. I'm sorry, that's a military style operation.
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But instead of against terrorists, it's against our own citizens. That was aborted when it became
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public. But why was that even proposed? In recent weeks, three pastors have been arrested and jailed
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in Alberta. An entire church was expropriated up in Edmonton a couple months ago. In Calgary,
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Pastor Arthur Pawlowski was arrested in this dramatic highway takedown, dragged into the middle of the
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street, hands on his head, like he was some drug kingpin or terrorist. And he was jailed. And there
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was another jailing of another pastor in Calgary just this weekend. What's going on? And it's not
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just Alberta. Alberta's the worst. But police barging into a church in Aylmer, Ontario, breaking it up
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mid-church service. Why? What's causing this? I mean, none of these things are scientific. You don't
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get the virus while hiking outdoors. It's pretty much the safest thing to do, safest place to be.
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There have been no outbreaks in the churches in question here. So what's going on?
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Can I show you something? I go to this chart from time to time. This is Teresa Tam's page
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on the Government of Canada website. This is a map of all the provinces. And you can toggle different
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things like you can, in this case, I want to show you the count. That's the number of deaths
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over the last 14 days, province by province. So you can just toggle. You can do this yourself. It's
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pretty easy to find. So let's slowly look province by province. As you put your mouse over each province,
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on the right-hand side there, you can see a little graph pop up. You can do this yourself.
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You can see that graph show you the stats for the province. So let's start on the West Coast. Let's
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start with British Columbia. The death rate from this virus is down about 80% from the flu season.
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Alberta's down about the same. Saskatchewan's down about 70%. Manitoba, I'm just rough numbers here,
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down about 90%. Ontario, down about 60%. Quebec, almost down to nothing. I mean, it's down 95%. And
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literally, there are no deaths from COVID in the far north, thank goodness. In the very small
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population provinces in the Atlantic, there's no deaths in Newfoundland. There are three deaths in
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New Brunswick. So the graph looks big because there's so few to begin with, the three makes it
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look dramatic. But notice that Nova Scotia is down about 95% too. But they are bringing in shocking new
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restrictions, including traveling within Nova Scotia itself. They're being brutal towards
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the churches, even though their death rate is down almost to zero. So I've just taken you through
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every province and territory in Canada to state the obvious. None of these solutions they propose,
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none of these lockdowns, none of these prosecutions, some of these drones, none of these church arrests,
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that none of them are connected to science or to the virus. Walking down churches while keeping
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Costco and Walmart open that. It's not about science, but these latest extremes. Why? I just
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took you through the entire country and the death count has been plunging. I mean, ever since we got
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out of the flu season. It was just flu season. It's gone now. It's got nothing to do with these
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experimental vaccines that have been hastily authorized for emergency use. Remember that language.
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None of the vaccines have been approved yet. They're all still being tested. They're just
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authorized for emergency use. That's the language. Go to the, I've gone to the drug company's own
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websites. As soon as the emergency is over, by the way, they can't be used anymore because they're
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only authorized during the emergency. They're not approved yet, which might help explain why we can't
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seem to get out of that emergency. Because if you end the emergency, well, now these drug companies,
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they're not able to sell their experimental drugs anymore. But you see my point about how there just
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isn't a spike in deaths. I mean, Texas is down to zero, but Canada, even Canada is getting down pretty
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quick too. And, and, and this decline, as you can see, is not related to vaccines in Canada because
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these death, death counts were plunging since Christmas. And all these terrible variants we hear
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about the Indian variant, the Brazilian variant, they're just designed to make you scared because
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the death rates sure won't. There's 200 countries in the world expect to hear about 200 different
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variants. Look, America is getting out of this. Even the blue states are sick of it. Even California,
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their awful governor, Gavin Newsom, he's being recalled in large part because of his handling
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of the lockdowns. He's so awful. And now he's panicking a bit because of the recall and he's opening up
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his state. And he's saying, Oh, I'm not really obsessed with masks now that he's seeing some
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democratic accountability. Um, but look at this from the, from the lockdown loving New York times.
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Look at this. It's a weird story. They're vaccinated and keeping their masks on maybe forever. What
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face coverings have been a political flashpoint for more than a year, but now the backlash is directed
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to the people who don't plan to take them off. What? I thought the New York times was all in favor
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of shaming anyone without a mask. Now they seem to be on the other side of that. I guess with Joe
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Biden in the white house, now they've decided to change their mind. Uh, I just got to read the first
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few paragraphs of the story. It's a big story. I'm not going to read it. I'll just read a little bit.
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Whenever Joe Glickman heads out for groceries, he places an N95 mask over his face and tugs a cloth mask
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on top of it. He then pulls on a pair of goggles. Why? He has used this safety protocol. I think you
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should put safety protocol in quotation marks there, mate. He has used this safety protocol.
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Why don't you put on a tinfoil hat too and call that a safety? He's used this safety protocol for
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the last 14 months. He's a kook. It did not change after he contracted the coronavirus last November,
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but how? He was wearing this tinfoil hat. Uh, it didn't budge when earlier this month he became
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fully vaccinated. Hang on. So wasn't he naturally immune because he had it, but still he got vaccinated.
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And even though President Biden said on Thursday that fully vaccinated people do not have to wear a mask,
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Mr. Glickman said he planned to stay the course. Cause you know, Dr. Joseph Biden is really who I
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set my compass by. Oh, you know, I'm sorry. I just can't help but giving you my thoughts as I go
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through it. In fact, he said he plans to do his grocery run, double masked and goggled for at least
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the next five years. Even as a combination of evolving public health recommendations and pandemic
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fatigue lead more Americans to toss the mask they've worn for more than a year, Mr. Glickman is a
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among those who say they plan to keep their faces covered in public indefinitely.
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That's crazy. And I mean crazy in the colorful sense, but also in the mentally ill sense.
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Uh, they also interview a guy just 41 years old. So way, way, way below the age where you should be
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worried about a statistically substantial chance of getting the virus. But this 41 year old just loves
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the mask. Barry J. Neely 41, a composer from Los Angeles, fell ill with the coronavirus in March
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2020 and battled symptoms for months. He has also struggled with guilt over whether he had
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inadvertently infected people he came in contact with before his diagnosis, which came at a time
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when the government discouraged mask use. He now plans to wear a mask whenever he feels under the
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weather in perpetuity. In perpetuity. That means forever. Now, he had the virus. He's better now.
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He's immune now. He's wearing a mask now forever. Uh, that's not medicine. That's not even politics
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anymore. That's mental illness. I mean, that sort of suggests that he does it as some sort of guilt,
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uh, expurgation of guilt. That's Stockholm syndrome, maybe. Or maybe that's just one of these bizarre
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psychological illnesses where people love their disabilities, sort of like a hypochondriac. But
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there are even more bizarre and obscure mental illnesses where people actually, I hate to say
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it so gross, where people actually want to become amputees as some sort of mental problem. Why would
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you want to wear a mask forever? Even the New York Times is starting to point out that these people
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are cray-cray. But in Canada, that's not a wacky outlier. That's the center of public opinion.
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That's the heart, at least of our politics and our media and our lawyers and our judges and our
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professors, the official people. And like I said, the enforcement in Canada is more brutal than ever.
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It's actually ramping up, even though the deaths are plunging and have been since flu season. And to go
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to that Theresa Temp chart yourself, if you doubt it. And yet, not one political party is against
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these lockdowns. Not one. Okay, the People's Party is, but they have no seats. Not one party that's in
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power. Not one party that's in opposition. Not one premier. Not one leader of the opposition. Not the
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so-called conservatives, federally or provincially. There's something deeply wrong with our country.
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My only question is, is it just the political media industrial complex? Or is this the Canadian
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Well, I took you through Theresa Tam's official charts. And by the way, you can find that chart.
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It's YouTube and Google boosted on the search results. They really want you to check it out.
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Just type in Canada COVID stats. And I really think it's the first link you'll get. And then just go in
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and poke around in the different provinces. I selected deaths in the last two weeks. Count,
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that means the actual numbers. And by province. And if you scroll your mouse over it, you will see
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that every single province and territory in Canada, except for New Brunswick, which has such a small
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population and they had three deaths. So it's sort of, you know, the numbers are so small. The death
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rate, the death count rather from COVID is down 80, 90, 95% from flu season. It's almost completely gone
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away. And you can see that the death counts predate any vaccine dosage, which is the flu season.
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And so I ask, why is the enforcement becoming more brutal when the threat from the virus itself is
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now negligible? I'm not saying it's zero. But if you're under 70 and healthy, it's pretty close
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to zero. So why are they going after churches so viciously? Why are they requesting drone reconnaissance?
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Why are they, I don't know, I just, I think it's because they have to keep appearances up. They have
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to make you scared since the facts themselves don't. Well, I want to tell you that while we do our
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journalism, in the background, our lawyers are doing their lawyering. And you know, we now have
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about 1,200 cases. In fact, we've made about 150 videos. So we haven't even told you, we barely told
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you one out of 10 stories. But we have so many lawyers fighting against these lockdowns that we
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just sometimes don't even hear for a while about victories along the way. But I was chatting with our
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chief reporter, Sheila Gunn-Reed, this morning. We were just talking about something else. And she told
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me that she was talking to one of our lawyers in Calgary named Sarah Miller, who's been our point
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person on the Arthur Pawlowski case. And just by the way, Sarah mentioned, oh, we won that one. Oh,
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we won that one. Really? I said, Sheila, you got to come on the show. I didn't even know that.
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We're winning incredibly important cases, but we're so busy, we didn't even stop and notice. So joining
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me now from her studio in Northern Alberta is our chief reporter, Sheila Gunn-Reed. Sheila,
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great to see you again. Hey, Ezra. Thanks for having me on the show. Yeah, it's very good news
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that I got from Sarah Miller this morning. And you know, she's just been working so hard for the
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churches, for everybody. But in particular, she's winning a lot of these cases for churches and
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pastors. Yeah. And you know what? I talked to Sarah from time and time, but she's so busy. I generally
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don't like to interrupt her. Like she's going full tilt. In fact, I talked to their firm. They think
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they need to hire more lawyers. There's so many civil liberties fights. I've been paying, like I
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look, I can't pay attention to 1200 cases. No human person can do that. I follow some of the crazy ones
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like Arthur Pawlowski. But you went to a Northern Saskatchewan church that for a long time there had
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the unhappy record of having the largest COVID lockdown fine in Canada. A $14,000 fine for this
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very poor church that focuses on helping Aboriginal folks. They were hit by an abusive police department.
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$14,000 fine. We lawyered up for them. And you just told me this morning that we won that case. Tell
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me what you heard from Sarah. We sure did. Yeah. I was talking to Sarah and she said, you know,
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we've got really great news. She was able to get that $14,000 ticket kicked out of court. Now,
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the church in question here, the Full Gospel Outreach Centre in Prince Albert, Saskatchewan is,
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I mean, if you want to say that a church is doing the Lord's work, it is Pastor Vernon Temple
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and the Full Gospel Outreach Centre. They feed, they clothe, they minister to the homeless in Prince
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Albert, Saskatchewan. And by and large, mostly Indigenous people, they also do outreach to some
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of the Indian reserves around the area. And so he's really helping the people who are sort of
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forgotten by society. And he received a $14,000 lockdown ticket at the time, like you say,
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the highest fine in the country at the time. Now we've seen, you know, fines in the neighbourhood
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of $100,000 to some churches. But this was money that would be taken out of Pastor Vern's outreach
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to people who truly need it. This is not a rich church. I went there, I visited. I've been to
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Northern Iraq, I've seen bombed out churches. The scale of the poverty of the people that Pastor
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Vern works with, it's comparable. The church had recently experienced a flood, they were trying to
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round up donations to deal with that. And along comes a very vindictive mayor in Prince Albert,
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who seems to have a bit of a grudge against Pastor Vern, because he ministers to homeless and drug
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addicted people. The mayor in Prince Albert saw his church as like a black hole, like a place where
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criminality happens, as opposed to it happens to be in a place where people need the church. And so
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it felt pretty vindictive. I went there, I visited, I saw how heartfelt Pastor Vern was and how he's
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really compelled to help the people in his community. So we lawyered him up, we got Sarah
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involved. She's worked very, very hard for, you know, six, seven, eight months now already. And she
00:25:10.100
was able to have that $14,000 ticket kicked out for Vern Temple and the Full Gospel Outreach Centre. And
00:25:17.200
you know, I couldn't be happier. She worked so hard. And she's, she really is helping people who are
00:25:23.540
helping the least of our brothers and sisters. Yeah. Now, I know that you just had a fairly brief
00:25:28.480
phone call with Sarah, and you didn't get very technical. But just to confirm, it wasn't a trial,
00:25:34.320
so that we didn't have a full hearing about it. Our lawyer, Sarah managed to get the Crown
00:25:40.120
prosecutor to drop the case. Is that what happened?
00:25:42.560
That's exactly it. So it never went to trial. She was able to present evidence
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to the Crown, where they both agreed that this case should not go forward. So
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I guess that's Sarah saving money for us by working hard to deal with these things before they get to
00:26:05.280
an expensive trial. Well, you know, and I, that's one way to look at it, saving money. Obviously,
00:26:09.760
we're not, we're doing this for the moral purpose. I take your point that think, you know, I'm glad.
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Yeah, no, I know, I know your point. I take your point. You're exactly right.
00:26:19.260
But it also shows something very interesting. I mean, I know a little bit about Crown prosecutors.
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Those are basically lawyers, usually working for the Justice Department, although sometimes a private
00:26:30.580
lawyer can be hired on a special basis. They have the duty to prosecute, but only if it's in the public
00:26:38.360
interest and only if there's a reasonable chance of a conviction. So they have a duty to be fair-minded
00:26:48.280
and careful. They can't be vindictive. They can't be extremist. They can't say, well, we got a one in a
00:26:55.220
million shot. Let's put the church through it. So the fact that the Crown prosecutor, and again,
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I'm just going on what you have reported that Sarah told you, the fact that the police and the health
00:27:08.920
authority and the mayor have a raging vendetta against this church and are issuing tickets like
00:27:17.120
confetti, well, that's their opinion. But when a Crown prosecutor who has a duty as a professional,
00:27:25.420
duty to the court, duty to the public, says, you know what? I don't think this is in the public
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interest. I don't think I've got a reasonable chance of conviction. I just don't think this is
00:27:36.300
the right thing for the province to do. I will not take this junk case to trial. Now, that's my own
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language, but it's actually very, very powerful. And it's a rebuke of the police and the health
00:27:49.200
authorities. And I said this to you this morning, in some ways, had the Crown proceeded, you'd say,
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okay, well, maybe they actually really have a case and maybe the church was wrong in some way.
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But for the Crown to say, I'm not taking this mess to court. I'm not using taxpayers' money for this
00:28:08.200
vendetta. I'm not going to a judge. And I mean, I have a reputation as a lawyer. I'm not going to
00:28:13.520
say, judge, I think you should convict this pastor. Like, it's a hell of a rebuke of the police. And
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the reason I'm emphasizing this, Sheila, is I want to say to anyone watching this program,
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just because you get a ticket from some angry cop, some cop who doesn't know the rules,
00:28:32.920
some cop who has a vendetta, some cop who has a quota, doesn't mean you did something wrong.
00:28:39.640
It's just an accusation. If you go to fightthefines.com and we'll lawyer up and let a second
00:28:46.560
pair of eyes see that ticket. And I have to say that we have won, I think more than a dozen cases now
00:28:54.180
without even standing for it in court. Because so many of these cases are such junk. The prosecutors
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say, I'm not touching that. I don't know what was in the cop's mind when he did that,
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but I'm not touching that. Thanks for letting me make that point, Sheila. Tell me some more stories
00:29:09.940
you heard this morning. So, in other news about Christian pastors being ticketed for doing the
00:29:19.040
good work of helping the downtrodden, Derek Reimer, he's a street pastor in Calgary with Mission 7
00:29:29.320
Ministries. He was ticketed very early on in the pandemic, back in April, sort of side by side at
00:29:36.380
the same time as Art Poloski received his first batch of tickets. And I say batch because Art's
00:29:42.760
just getting them and Sarah's getting them kicked out the other side all the time. But Derek Reimer
00:29:47.600
was ticketed in April and then he was ticketed, I believe it was in November or December,
00:29:53.980
for an illegal public gathering. And of course, in Calgary, that means feeding the homeless for
00:30:00.120
some reason. Sarah worked really hard and got both of those tickets withdrawn by the Crown. And so
00:30:08.320
that's yet another pastor that Sarah Miller from JSS Barristers has helped spare these good men from
00:30:18.240
these tickets so that they can spend their time and money helping the homeless and the downtrodden
00:30:24.740
in their community. Yeah, it's so weird. I mean, why are the police focused on, like there's a lot of
00:30:30.840
different churches out there of different styles, different, you know, denominations, different
00:30:35.340
focuses. These particular churches that we've just been describing, the one in northern Saskatchewan,
00:30:41.620
the one you've just described, I think Mission 7, I think you said, Arthur Pawlowski, the commonality
00:30:48.740
amongst them is they really get out into the streets and alleys and gutters. They go to the lowest of
00:30:57.440
the low. And this is a point Arthur Pawlowski makes. There are some people below even homeless
00:31:03.560
shelters, below even soup kitchens, because they're, maybe they're violent, maybe they're drunk,
00:31:10.240
maybe they're high on drugs, maybe they're breaking some rule. There are some rules that if you break,
00:31:15.460
you won't be allowed in the homeless shelter. And of course, because of the pandemic they've emptied.
00:31:19.060
So these are the lowest of the low. And it's truly a Mother Teresa mindset that would say, I'm going to
00:31:25.180
leave my comfortable home and I'm going to go out with people in the dirty street. And what kind of a
00:31:32.600
cop says, I'm going after that guy? Like, I mean, I don't think a cop should go after anyway,
00:31:39.100
but there's a commonality in the three things we've just talked about. Arthur Pawlowski,
00:31:44.220
the Prince Albert Church and Mission 7. Why are the police targeting them? I don't know. But boy,
00:31:52.060
am I glad that this fight the fines is focusing on that. And I'm, I was so, anyway, I'm talking too
00:31:56.660
much. But Sheila, I was so happy when you told me on the phone today that we had these wins that I
00:32:01.380
didn't even know about. I didn't even know about them. Yeah. I mean, it's really been very gratifying
00:32:08.620
to help these men who, you know, they're not wealthy. They're not fancy. And in Pastor Art's case,
00:32:18.220
the day he received his first ticket, it was bitterly cold. I think it was below minus 20
00:32:25.780
in Calgary that day. And Pastor Art's out in downtown Calgary. He's wearing, you know,
00:32:32.400
full snowsuit, top to bottom for you, Shankar. He's trying to stay warm. And you realize that Art is
00:32:41.880
freezing while he's trying to feed people who are far less equipped to deal with the cold than he is.
00:32:49.960
And along come the Calgary police and ticket him for that. I mean, and I think in both cases with
00:32:58.780
Prince Albert and in Calgary, I think there's a problem with the mayors there. And the mayors
00:33:06.400
are using the police forces to carry out their personal grudges against these Christian pastors.
00:33:11.540
Yeah, that's very true. I saw this atrocious statement by the Calgary chief of police. Take a
00:33:16.580
quick look at this. He basically says, I'll decide what's political and what's not. I'll decide what
00:33:21.780
we ticket or whatnot. And you have to meet my political test. Take a quick look at this. So
00:33:26.520
gross. We've seen a number of anti-mask protests in the streets of Calgary over the past 14 months,
00:33:32.440
more recently demonstrations, as well as raising awareness about the Middle East conflict in between
00:33:37.400
Israel and Palestine. Are those gatherings treated differently? Are they treated the same? How do
00:33:42.680
police go about keeping an eye on those? Yeah, so it's very similar. But I think one of the key
00:33:48.580
differences that it's important for Calgarians to understand is that protests aren't unlawful.
00:33:54.040
So legitimate protests can go ahead. And we find that the majority of the organizers try to work
00:33:59.500
with police and public health to do that in a way that actually minimizes the spread of COVID-19.
00:34:04.580
What we're seeing on the other side of that is basically outdoor social gatherings that are really
00:34:09.360
masked as protests. So we've seen in other parts of the province where we've seen rodeo slash protest.
00:34:15.320
I saw on social media this morning, outdoor music festival that was being planned slash protest.
00:34:21.580
Those things are not protests or demonstrations. They're outdoor social gatherings, and they're
00:34:25.580
subject to the public health restrictions for sure. Yeah, it's incredible. You know what? It's great to
00:34:29.880
catch up on these things. I should interview Sarah again. I mean, I know her. She's been doing some
00:34:33.980
great work, working so hard. And she's also involved in our constitutional challenges, by the way,
00:34:39.440
both on the Saskatchewan anti-gathering rule and on the COVID jails. So she, I don't know how she's got
00:34:48.600
all the time to do all this work, but she's doing great work. You know, let me just close on this note.
00:34:53.100
I mean, the Lord moves in mysterious ways. I want to tell you, Sheila, that it was when Arthur was
00:35:00.320
arrested, Pastor Arthur Pavlovsky, that I said, let's take a chance. Let's set up fightthefines.com.
00:35:08.760
We bought that website. He was our very first client, and he became a repeat client, too.
00:35:18.480
Yeah, that's right. He just won't stop. And who knew that later on his case would have such
00:35:24.300
international attention? And now I look back, 1,200 cases later. I did not know then, Sheila,
00:35:32.440
how big this would be. And it was the egregiousness of his case that caused me and our team and you
00:35:40.600
to say, we have to fight. And you did a great case with Walter...
00:35:47.560
Matheson, thank you, in New Brunswick. And we just started slow. We started slow,
00:35:52.460
a case here and a case there. And now we're actually getting about 10 new cases every day.
00:36:01.100
But I think it's making a real difference in this country. And I'm not just saying that to
00:36:05.260
make myself feel better, because I need to feel better in these dark times. But I actually think
00:36:11.120
that 1,200 families have been helped. That makes a dent. And Sheila, you've been leading on so many of
00:36:21.600
these fight the fines cases. And we've met some interesting lawyers. I think we've helped build a
00:36:26.080
generation. We've helped train a generation of civil liberties lawyers in a way. I mean, I'm not
00:36:31.460
taking credit for Sarah Miller, but I'm saying Sarah, Chad Williamson from Calgary. We have lawyers
00:36:39.820
out here in Ontario. We have a lawyer in Vancouver. We have provided the funds through our viewers
00:36:46.460
to really get a team of lawyers experienced, smart on this stuff. I don't know. I'm not saying this to
00:36:55.720
praise us. I'm just saying, I look back 14 months later, it's made a difference. And it's our viewers
00:37:02.040
who did it, because I didn't have a million bucks laying around. And that's about the cost we've put
00:37:07.760
into this project. So that's our viewers. So I would say thanks to all the different people involved.
00:37:14.620
And I sound like it's done. It is not done. It is not done. But we'll keep at it. Listen,
00:37:18.700
why don't you wrap up, Sheila? I've been talking way too much. I've been just sort of
00:37:24.780
reminiscing on the last 14 months that have whizzed by. Give me your thoughts on the whole
00:37:29.420
Fight the Fines project and what's next. You know, at the beginning of Fight the Fines,
00:37:35.020
I think, you know, and I'll credit you for this. You had some foresight. I think you saw how
00:37:39.540
ridiculous this would all be, that it would be normal people getting tickets for doing
00:37:44.740
completely normal things or in the instance of these Christian pastors, really good things
00:37:49.640
to help their fellow man. Like that was, I think, one of the reasons the case of Walter Matheson
00:37:55.820
resonated with people. He was just a guy eating a muffin in his car with the window rolled up
00:38:00.780
in a Tim Hortons parking lot. And an out of control cop who was weaponized by fear and new powers
00:38:08.060
banged on his window and gave him a ticket for sitting alone in a parking lot. And, you know,
00:38:13.280
I'm really proud of the work that we're doing, especially during this pandemic, because as you
00:38:18.980
point out, these $800 fines, $1,200 fines, $2,000 fines, they can destroy a family that's teetering
00:38:28.360
on the edge because of the economic fallout of the pandemic. And so I'm really glad that our
00:38:35.220
viewers have helped us help so many people, because as you do rightly point out, each one of
00:38:42.220
these tickets is a family that could face destruction because of a heavy handed law enforcement official
00:38:49.820
who thought today's the day I'm going to write some tickets.
00:38:52.600
Yeah. Yeah. And it's not called pay the fines. It's called fight the fines. And I think that's
00:38:58.100
made a big difference. Well, Sheila, thank you. I was just so pleased when I heard your news this
00:39:02.840
morning. It was such a surprise to me because I had really been following that Prince Albert case
00:39:07.220
because it's a $14,000 fine. And then just to hear it went away. I mean, it caught me by surprise,
00:39:12.720
but it's because there was no trial because the prime prosecutor said, I'm not taking this garbage
00:39:20.040
to court. And that is actually a far greater rebuke than for us to say, you know, that old saying in the
00:39:27.640
media business, dog bites man, that's not news, man bites dog, that's news. It's not news that we say
00:39:37.860
pandemic tickets are over the top. That's what we do every day. But for a crown prosecutor to say,
00:39:44.020
this is garbage. Well, that is news because crown prosecutors usually don't say that
00:39:50.960
about cases brought to them by police. So that more than anything you or I could say
00:39:56.060
shows the moral, uh, hollowness of these cases. Sheila, we've been, I've been talking far too
00:40:03.040
much. I've just been, I'm overwhelmed by what, by the situation we're in. I feel like Canada is now
00:40:09.780
the worst lockdown jurisdiction in the world. I remember when that distinction belonged to the
00:40:14.020
United Kingdom and Australia, and we were looking at them from afar. Avi Yamini was there. We were
00:40:19.140
looking at videos from Britain. I said, wow, we're immune to that. Well, now we've got it. That's the
00:40:24.020
real virus. And we've got it worse than anyone. I'll let you get back to things because you're
00:40:27.160
so busy. Thanks for fighting the fight. Thanks, boss. And thanks to everybody at home for making
00:40:32.220
the work that we do through fight the fines possible. We couldn't do it without you. We
00:40:35.900
couldn't help these families without all of your support. Right on. Thanks, Sheila. All right. Stay
00:40:39.760
with us. You'll let us your next. Hey, welcome back on my show last night. Lisa writes,
00:40:55.660
I am many have grave concerns that we will indeed see Kenny stealthily go ahead and implement
00:40:59.660
a surveillance program via drone or otherwise. He has most definitely shown his true colors. Yeah. I
00:41:04.720
mean, you've got to be crazy to do that. First of all, hiking outdoors, you don't catch this thing
00:41:12.920
outdoors. It's just not where you catch it. And the people who are most susceptible are 80 years old
00:41:18.100
plus with deep underlying health conditions. They're not the folks out for a little weekend
00:41:23.000
camping. This is just some authoritarian police state wannabe who managed to talk his way through
00:41:30.280
how many layers of bureaucrats and politicians. It's super gross that this wasn't weeded out
00:41:34.340
before it was announced. Corey writes, it's not the socialists in every party. It's the globalists
00:41:40.320
in every party. Yeah, but globalism talks about a lack of democratic sovereignty, lack of borders,
00:41:46.800
lack of local political accountability, but it's not just globalism. It's authoritarianism. Now,
00:41:52.580
the two often go hand in hand, but it's just, it's the police statism that worries me.
00:41:58.380
I've got to tell you that we're going to continue to fight. I said earlier in my monologue,
00:42:01.460
where's the opposition? Where are the conservatives? I don't know the answer to that,
00:42:04.920
but I'm not waiting for them. I'm very proud of our Fight the Fines project. I don't know
00:42:09.480
if you heard me say this, but we have about 1,200 cases now. And I think that makes us the largest
00:42:17.060
civil liberties public interest law firm in Canada. And as you may know, for the past couple months,
00:42:22.880
we've been affiliated to this project has been affiliated with a registered Canadian charity
00:42:28.320
called the Democracy Fund. So if you donate at fightthefines.com, your money actually goes to
00:42:33.840
this charity. The charity pays the lawyers. So you get a charitable tax receipt. So not only are
00:42:39.440
you helping Fight the Fines with these civil liberties lawyers, you're actually saving on your
00:42:43.320
taxes. And if you've got a choice between giving money to Justin Trudeau or giving money to fight
00:42:49.060
for civil liberties, that seems like an easy choice to make. That's our show for today. Until tomorrow,
00:42:54.000
on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, good night. Keep fighting for freedom.