Rebel News Podcast - Lockdowns are ending in the USA and the UK. Why is Canada getting stricter？

00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. I want to show you what's going on in Texas and Florida. Those are very

00:00:03.800 big states, and they have big cities and also rural parts, and there's just, like, they're

00:00:08.980 almost little countries. Like, Texas is really a country in itself, and Florida could make the case

00:00:14.340 too. And yet, these places are so done with the lockdown because they're so done with the

00:00:23.480 disease. They're getting back to normal. Why aren't we? And I'm going to show you some stats

00:00:29.500 that you probably haven't seen before. Did you know that the death counts in every single province

00:00:35.540 and territory except for New Brunswick are plunging in Canada? Like, I'm talking 80, 90, 95 percent

00:00:42.580 dropping. Why are we still in a lockdown? I'll take you through this today. I really want you to see

00:00:47.600 it, though. I take you through every province graph by graph, and I'll verbally say that. You can get

00:00:53.240 that in the podcast. But this is one of those examples where I wish you could see the charts

00:00:57.720 because I'm going to take you through Teresa Tam's own charts and show you that the death count is

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00:01:50.580 Tonight, the lockdowns are ending in America and the UK. Why is Canada getting stricter?

00:01:58.300 It's May 19th. This is the Ezra LeVant Show.

00:02:02.920 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:02:06.700 There's 8,500 customers here and you won't give them an answer.

00:02:10.780 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I'm publishing it is because it's my

00:02:15.360 bloody right to do so.

00:02:20.580 Look at this tweet from the governor of Texas. This was on March 2nd, two and a half months

00:02:27.820 ago. He said, Texas is open 100 percent, everything. I also ended the statewide mask mandate.

00:02:37.480 Now, I'm not sure if you can see it, but 330,000 people took the time to like that tweet. That's

00:02:44.280 a lot for Twitter. I bet that was the most popular thing that the governor has ever said on Twitter.

00:02:50.580 I think he spoke for millions, maybe tens of millions of people, maybe hundreds of millions.

00:02:56.160 But not everyone. Look at this reply from a Democrat in Texas, Beto O'Rourke.

00:03:03.120 A death warrant for Texans. Add them to the 44,000 plus killed as he failed to confront the pandemic

00:03:10.100 and botched the vaccine rollout. He continues, and those who froze to death because he cares more

00:03:14.660 about energy companies' profits than keeping Texans alive. Abbott is killing the people of Texas.

00:03:19.400 So right after that, he was accused of signing a death warrant. He cares more about companies

00:03:25.380 than people. He's killing people. Not the virus. He is. Well, Trudeau's CBC state broadcaster, 0.97

00:03:31.320 which we pay $1.5 billion to every year for Canadian content we can't find elsewhere,

00:03:36.680 they were obsessed by this tweet by the Texas governor. They were doing stories about it. I'm

00:03:41.860 not sure why. It really doesn't have anything to do with Canada, except one thing I'll tell you in a

00:03:45.700 minute. This is their story. Texas ends pandemic mask mandate despite warnings from medical experts.

00:03:52.820 Doesn't he know? Several businesses say they will maintain a mask on policy despite the governor's

00:03:59.180 move. I'm just going to read two paragraphs. This is what Trudeau wants you to know about this Texas

00:04:05.960 decision. So it's very important. It had to be in the state broadcaster in Canada.

00:04:09.940 The Republican governor has faced sharp criticism from his party over the mandate, which was imposed

00:04:17.540 eight months ago amid other COVID-19 restrictions. It was only ever lightly enforced even during the

00:04:23.820 worst outbreaks of the pandemic. Texas will also do away with limits on the number of diners

00:04:29.940 that businesses can serve indoors, said Abbott, who made the announcement at a restaurant in Lubbock.

00:04:35.260 He said the new rules would take effect March 10th. Boy, the CBC are mad about it, aren't they? And no one

00:04:41.960 knows Texas Republican politics better than the CBC. So they said that this was very unpopular with

00:04:48.920 Republicans, they said. I think it's safe to conclude that the reason they went so heavy on the story is they

00:04:54.960 didn't want anyone in Canada getting big ideas about freedom, did they? All right, so that was March 2nd.

00:05:01.440 It's almost June, actually. So how's that all working out? Well, here's a summary of their latest

00:05:08.260 statistics illustrated in this tweet by a jam-packed baseball stadium down there. Let me read the

00:05:15.180 facts that were announced yesterday. Zero COVID-related deaths in the whole state. Fewest COVID cases in over

00:05:23.640 13 months. Lowest seven-day COVID new case rates. Lowest COVID hospitalizations in 11 months.

00:05:32.460 They're just done. In fact, they're not locking down citizens anymore, bullying people with big

00:05:38.720 fines or snitch lines. They're actually doing the opposite. The governor is now threatening any

00:05:44.120 officials who still want to party like it's 2020, who love the lockdown. The governor is declaring war on

00:05:50.480 them. The Karens, as the unfortunate nickname went. I know there's a lot of viewers named Karen who

00:05:55.740 don't like that. He's declaring war on the scolds, on the snitches, on the punishers. Look at this tweet

00:06:00.840 by Greg Abbott, the governor. Texas is prohibiting mask mandates by government entities. Starting May 21st,

00:06:09.180 local governments attempting to impose mask mandates can be fined up to $1,000. We're also

00:06:14.760 prohibiting public schools from mandating masks after June 4th. Texans, not government, should 1.00

00:06:21.700 decide their best health practices. So no government officials can tell you to wear a mask anymore. If

00:06:27.160 they do, the government officials will be fine. No schools can make you do it either, at least not

00:06:32.340 the public schools. That was all junk science anyways. It was all politics. It's all fear. And they're 0.92

00:06:37.860 done with it in Texas. Same in Florida, too. Those are two of the three biggest states, you know.

00:06:44.200 In Florida, I think I might have showed you this the other day. Their governor, Ron DeSantis, who I

00:06:48.380 hope runs for president in 2024, he just declared that every single charge against every single person

00:06:53.300 in Florida for a COVID violation, like our Fight the Fines project here in Canada, he just said they're

00:06:57.840 all pardoned. Just all of them. Did you see that? Well, it's a total overreach, Laura. This is exactly

00:07:03.820 what we ordered against last summer, many, many months ago. And so I was actually just recently

00:07:10.620 briefed on this case. And we looked at it. And so I'm glad you have Mike and Jillian on.

00:07:16.900 And I'm also glad to be on to be able to say that effective tomorrow morning, I'm going to sign

00:07:22.820 a reprieve under my constitutional authority. So that'll delay the case for 60 days against both of

00:07:30.520 them. And then when our clemency board meets in the coming weeks, we'll issue pardons not only for

00:07:36.560 Mike and Jillian, but for any Floridian that may have outstanding infractions for things like masks

00:07:43.960 and social distancing. He did the same thing on the masks in schools. I think he was a little bit ahead

00:07:49.400 of the Texas governor. Do you see that one? These kids do not need to be wearing these masks,

00:07:54.600 okay? I'm sorry, they don't. We need to be able to let them be kids and let them act normally.

00:08:00.640 And that's what should be the case in the fall throughout the school year.

00:08:07.140 So that's some of the biggest states in America. And here's our reporter, Lincoln Jay. We sent him

00:08:12.440 to London in the United Kingdom. They've opened up the pubs now. It's pretty much normal there now,

00:08:18.260 not 100% normal, but getting there. Lincoln tells me that he sees some people with masks,

00:08:23.580 some people without them. But there's none of this vicious scolding and finger pointing and snitching

00:08:28.660 we have in most places in Canada. In fact, I thought this was interesting. He said he was on

00:08:33.840 the tube, that's the subway in London, and the public announcement positively cautioned people

00:08:40.540 against assuming that someone without a mask is breaking the rules and positively reminding people

00:08:45.820 that you may have an exemption for the mask. And the reason might not be visually apparent.

00:08:51.120 You know, the person might have asthma. So you might not see the reason for the exemption.

00:08:58.240 But the announcement in the tube says, don't assume they don't have an exemption. My point is,

00:09:03.800 even the scolding announcements in the UK, says Lincoln, take pains to say, hey, don't pick on

00:09:09.340 this guy for not wearing a mask. How different from our own East Germany style civic culture here in

00:09:14.740 Canada? Yesterday, I showed you a story about the Alberta government's plan to hire private

00:09:20.640 mercenaries to fly surveillance drones, hunting down campers and backpackers out in Alberta's

00:09:26.400 wonderful backcountry parks. Now, you might think I'm being dramatic by using the language mercenaries,

00:09:30.840 but I don't think I am. It was a military style operation. Infrared sensors, that's for use at night.

00:09:36.440 Daily operational reports, spying on people. I'm sorry, that's a military style operation.

00:09:42.720 But instead of against terrorists, it's against our own citizens. That was aborted when it became

00:09:48.100 public. But why was that even proposed? In recent weeks, three pastors have been arrested and jailed

00:09:53.880 in Alberta. An entire church was expropriated up in Edmonton a couple months ago. In Calgary,

00:09:59.700 Pastor Arthur Pawlowski was arrested in this dramatic highway takedown, dragged into the middle of the

00:10:04.800 street, hands on his head, like he was some drug kingpin or terrorist. And he was jailed. And there

00:10:09.500 was another jailing of another pastor in Calgary just this weekend. What's going on? And it's not

00:10:13.840 just Alberta. Alberta's the worst. But police barging into a church in Aylmer, Ontario, breaking it up 0.97

00:10:20.000 mid-church service. Why? What's causing this? I mean, none of these things are scientific. You don't

00:10:25.520 get the virus while hiking outdoors. It's pretty much the safest thing to do, safest place to be.

00:10:30.500 There have been no outbreaks in the churches in question here. So what's going on?

00:10:34.800 Can I show you something? I go to this chart from time to time. This is Teresa Tam's page

00:10:40.640 on the Government of Canada website. This is a map of all the provinces. And you can toggle different

00:10:45.900 things like you can, in this case, I want to show you the count. That's the number of deaths

00:10:51.780 over the last 14 days, province by province. So you can just toggle. You can do this yourself. It's

00:10:58.420 pretty easy to find. So let's slowly look province by province. As you put your mouse over each province,

00:11:03.460 on the right-hand side there, you can see a little graph pop up. You can do this yourself.

00:11:07.580 You can see that graph show you the stats for the province. So let's start on the West Coast. Let's

00:11:11.820 start with British Columbia. The death rate from this virus is down about 80% from the flu season.

00:11:20.740 Alberta's down about the same. Saskatchewan's down about 70%. Manitoba, I'm just rough numbers here,

00:11:25.580 down about 90%. Ontario, down about 60%. Quebec, almost down to nothing. I mean, it's down 95%. And

00:11:33.240 literally, there are no deaths from COVID in the far north, thank goodness. In the very small

00:11:38.880 population provinces in the Atlantic, there's no deaths in Newfoundland. There are three deaths in

00:11:44.280 New Brunswick. So the graph looks big because there's so few to begin with, the three makes it

00:11:48.880 look dramatic. But notice that Nova Scotia is down about 95% too. But they are bringing in shocking new

00:11:53.900 restrictions, including traveling within Nova Scotia itself. They're being brutal towards

00:11:58.320 the churches, even though their death rate is down almost to zero. So I've just taken you through

00:12:04.260 every province and territory in Canada to state the obvious. None of these solutions they propose,

00:12:10.660 none of these lockdowns, none of these prosecutions, some of these drones, none of these church arrests,

00:12:15.240 that none of them are connected to science or to the virus. Walking down churches while keeping

00:12:19.560 Costco and Walmart open that. It's not about science, but these latest extremes. Why? I just

00:12:27.100 took you through the entire country and the death count has been plunging. I mean, ever since we got

00:12:32.100 out of the flu season. It was just flu season. It's gone now. It's got nothing to do with these

00:12:37.720 experimental vaccines that have been hastily authorized for emergency use. Remember that language.

00:12:42.680 None of the vaccines have been approved yet. They're all still being tested. They're just

00:12:49.220 authorized for emergency use. That's the language. Go to the, I've gone to the drug company's own

00:12:54.700 websites. As soon as the emergency is over, by the way, they can't be used anymore because they're

00:12:59.460 only authorized during the emergency. They're not approved yet, which might help explain why we can't

00:13:06.440 seem to get out of that emergency. Because if you end the emergency, well, now these drug companies,

00:13:10.920 they're not able to sell their experimental drugs anymore. But you see my point about how there just

00:13:17.920 isn't a spike in deaths. I mean, Texas is down to zero, but Canada, even Canada is getting down pretty

00:13:24.980 quick too. And, and, and this decline, as you can see, is not related to vaccines in Canada because

00:13:31.500 these death, death counts were plunging since Christmas. And all these terrible variants we hear

00:13:38.000 about the Indian variant, the Brazilian variant, they're just designed to make you scared because 1.00

00:13:42.400 the death rates sure won't. There's 200 countries in the world expect to hear about 200 different

00:13:47.080 variants. Look, America is getting out of this. Even the blue states are sick of it. Even California, 0.55

00:13:53.560 their awful governor, Gavin Newsom, he's being recalled in large part because of his handling

00:13:58.200 of the lockdowns. He's so awful. And now he's panicking a bit because of the recall and he's opening up 0.95

00:14:04.200 his state. And he's saying, Oh, I'm not really obsessed with masks now that he's seeing some

00:14:08.400 democratic accountability. Um, but look at this from the, from the lockdown loving New York times.

00:14:16.400 Look at this. It's a weird story. They're vaccinated and keeping their masks on maybe forever. What

00:14:25.480 face coverings have been a political flashpoint for more than a year, but now the backlash is directed

00:14:30.960 to the people who don't plan to take them off. What? I thought the New York times was all in favor

00:14:36.300 of shaming anyone without a mask. Now they seem to be on the other side of that. I guess with Joe

00:14:42.320 Biden in the white house, now they've decided to change their mind. Uh, I just got to read the first

00:14:47.680 few paragraphs of the story. It's a big story. I'm not going to read it. I'll just read a little bit.

00:14:52.020 Whenever Joe Glickman heads out for groceries, he places an N95 mask over his face and tugs a cloth mask

00:15:00.360 on top of it. He then pulls on a pair of goggles. Why? He has used this safety protocol. I think you

00:15:11.420 should put safety protocol in quotation marks there, mate. He has used this safety protocol.

00:15:17.380 Why don't you put on a tinfoil hat too and call that a safety? He's used this safety protocol for

00:15:22.860 the last 14 months. He's a kook. It did not change after he contracted the coronavirus last November, 0.99

00:15:29.980 but how? He was wearing this tinfoil hat. Uh, it didn't budge when earlier this month he became

00:15:34.780 fully vaccinated. Hang on. So wasn't he naturally immune because he had it, but still he got vaccinated.

00:15:41.140 And even though President Biden said on Thursday that fully vaccinated people do not have to wear a mask,

00:15:46.100 Mr. Glickman said he planned to stay the course. Cause you know, Dr. Joseph Biden is really who I

00:15:53.360 set my compass by. Oh, you know, I'm sorry. I just can't help but giving you my thoughts as I go

00:15:57.220 through it. In fact, he said he plans to do his grocery run, double masked and goggled for at least

00:16:04.440 the next five years. Even as a combination of evolving public health recommendations and pandemic

00:16:11.520 fatigue lead more Americans to toss the mask they've worn for more than a year, Mr. Glickman is a

00:16:16.080 among those who say they plan to keep their faces covered in public indefinitely.

00:16:22.800 That's crazy. And I mean crazy in the colorful sense, but also in the mentally ill sense. 0.94

00:16:29.020 Uh, they also interview a guy just 41 years old. So way, way, way below the age where you should be

00:16:35.140 worried about a statistically substantial chance of getting the virus. But this 41 year old just loves

00:16:42.260 the mask. Barry J. Neely 41, a composer from Los Angeles, fell ill with the coronavirus in March

00:16:49.680 2020 and battled symptoms for months. He has also struggled with guilt over whether he had

00:16:54.720 inadvertently infected people he came in contact with before his diagnosis, which came at a time

00:16:59.160 when the government discouraged mask use. He now plans to wear a mask whenever he feels under the

00:17:03.760 weather in perpetuity. In perpetuity. That means forever. Now, he had the virus. He's better now.

00:17:10.280 He's immune now. He's wearing a mask now forever. Uh, that's not medicine. That's not even politics

00:17:17.360 anymore. That's mental illness. I mean, that sort of suggests that he does it as some sort of guilt, 1.00

00:17:22.100 uh, expurgation of guilt. That's Stockholm syndrome, maybe. Or maybe that's just one of these bizarre

00:17:27.040 psychological illnesses where people love their disabilities, sort of like a hypochondriac. But 0.91

00:17:31.780 there are even more bizarre and obscure mental illnesses where people actually, I hate to say

00:17:35.520 it so gross, where people actually want to become amputees as some sort of mental problem. Why would

00:17:43.060 you want to wear a mask forever? Even the New York Times is starting to point out that these people

00:17:49.780 are cray-cray. But in Canada, that's not a wacky outlier. That's the center of public opinion.

00:17:59.080 That's the heart, at least of our politics and our media and our lawyers and our judges and our

00:18:03.860 professors, the official people. And like I said, the enforcement in Canada is more brutal than ever.

00:18:09.240 It's actually ramping up, even though the deaths are plunging and have been since flu season. And to go

00:18:14.860 to that Theresa Temp chart yourself, if you doubt it. And yet, not one political party is against

00:18:20.820 these lockdowns. Not one. Okay, the People's Party is, but they have no seats. Not one party that's in

00:18:26.680 power. Not one party that's in opposition. Not one premier. Not one leader of the opposition. Not the

00:18:31.900 so-called conservatives, federally or provincially. There's something deeply wrong with our country.

00:18:36.220 My only question is, is it just the political media industrial complex? Or is this the Canadian

00:18:45.300 people too? Stay with us for more.

00:18:48.200 Well, I took you through Theresa Tam's official charts. And by the way, you can find that chart. 0.93

00:19:05.680 It's YouTube and Google boosted on the search results. They really want you to check it out.

00:19:10.720 Just type in Canada COVID stats. And I really think it's the first link you'll get. And then just go in

00:19:17.500 and poke around in the different provinces. I selected deaths in the last two weeks. Count,

00:19:23.620 that means the actual numbers. And by province. And if you scroll your mouse over it, you will see

00:19:29.300 that every single province and territory in Canada, except for New Brunswick, which has such a small

00:19:34.740 population and they had three deaths. So it's sort of, you know, the numbers are so small. The death

00:19:40.140 rate, the death count rather from COVID is down 80, 90, 95% from flu season. It's almost completely gone

00:19:49.680 away. And you can see that the death counts predate any vaccine dosage, which is the flu season.

00:19:55.940 And so I ask, why is the enforcement becoming more brutal when the threat from the virus itself is

00:20:04.660 now negligible? I'm not saying it's zero. But if you're under 70 and healthy, it's pretty close

00:20:11.100 to zero. So why are they going after churches so viciously? Why are they requesting drone reconnaissance?

00:20:18.700 Why are they, I don't know, I just, I think it's because they have to keep appearances up. They have

00:20:26.200 to make you scared since the facts themselves don't. Well, I want to tell you that while we do our

00:20:32.540 journalism, in the background, our lawyers are doing their lawyering. And you know, we now have

00:20:39.180 about 1,200 cases. In fact, we've made about 150 videos. So we haven't even told you, we barely told

00:20:47.540 you one out of 10 stories. But we have so many lawyers fighting against these lockdowns that we

00:20:55.200 just sometimes don't even hear for a while about victories along the way. But I was chatting with our

00:21:00.640 chief reporter, Sheila Gunn-Reed, this morning. We were just talking about something else. And she told

00:21:04.520 me that she was talking to one of our lawyers in Calgary named Sarah Miller, who's been our point

00:21:09.240 person on the Arthur Pawlowski case. And just by the way, Sarah mentioned, oh, we won that one. Oh,

00:21:16.340 we won that one. Really? I said, Sheila, you got to come on the show. I didn't even know that.

00:21:21.500 We're winning incredibly important cases, but we're so busy, we didn't even stop and notice. So joining

00:21:26.280 me now from her studio in Northern Alberta is our chief reporter, Sheila Gunn-Reed. Sheila,

00:21:30.500 great to see you again. Hey, Ezra. Thanks for having me on the show. Yeah, it's very good news

00:21:35.320 that I got from Sarah Miller this morning. And you know, she's just been working so hard for the

00:21:40.400 churches, for everybody. But in particular, she's winning a lot of these cases for churches and

00:21:46.520 pastors. Yeah. And you know what? I talked to Sarah from time and time, but she's so busy. I generally

00:21:51.460 don't like to interrupt her. Like she's going full tilt. In fact, I talked to their firm. They think

00:21:56.000 they need to hire more lawyers. There's so many civil liberties fights. I've been paying, like I

00:22:01.980 look, I can't pay attention to 1200 cases. No human person can do that. I follow some of the crazy ones

00:22:07.700 like Arthur Pawlowski. But you went to a Northern Saskatchewan church that for a long time there had

00:22:16.820 the unhappy record of having the largest COVID lockdown fine in Canada. A $14,000 fine for this

00:22:27.820 very poor church that focuses on helping Aboriginal folks. They were hit by an abusive police department.

00:22:36.800 $14,000 fine. We lawyered up for them. And you just told me this morning that we won that case. Tell

00:22:43.800 me what you heard from Sarah. We sure did. Yeah. I was talking to Sarah and she said, you know,

00:22:49.620 we've got really great news. She was able to get that $14,000 ticket kicked out of court. Now,

00:22:58.900 the church in question here, the Full Gospel Outreach Centre in Prince Albert, Saskatchewan is,

00:23:04.520 I mean, if you want to say that a church is doing the Lord's work, it is Pastor Vernon Temple

00:23:10.620 and the Full Gospel Outreach Centre. They feed, they clothe, they minister to the homeless in Prince

00:23:19.860 Albert, Saskatchewan. And by and large, mostly Indigenous people, they also do outreach to some

00:23:27.700 of the Indian reserves around the area. And so he's really helping the people who are sort of

00:23:36.300 forgotten by society. And he received a $14,000 lockdown ticket at the time, like you say,

00:23:44.220 the highest fine in the country at the time. Now we've seen, you know, fines in the neighbourhood

00:23:51.400 of $100,000 to some churches. But this was money that would be taken out of Pastor Vern's outreach

00:23:59.380 to people who truly need it. This is not a rich church. I went there, I visited. I've been to

00:24:05.840 Northern Iraq, I've seen bombed out churches. The scale of the poverty of the people that Pastor

00:24:13.440 Vern works with, it's comparable. The church had recently experienced a flood, they were trying to

00:24:19.960 round up donations to deal with that. And along comes a very vindictive mayor in Prince Albert,

00:24:25.200 who seems to have a bit of a grudge against Pastor Vern, because he ministers to homeless and drug

00:24:33.640 addicted people. The mayor in Prince Albert saw his church as like a black hole, like a place where

00:24:41.600 criminality happens, as opposed to it happens to be in a place where people need the church. And so

00:24:49.060 it felt pretty vindictive. I went there, I visited, I saw how heartfelt Pastor Vern was and how he's

00:24:57.700 really compelled to help the people in his community. So we lawyered him up, we got Sarah

00:25:03.260 involved. She's worked very, very hard for, you know, six, seven, eight months now already. And she

00:25:10.100 was able to have that $14,000 ticket kicked out for Vern Temple and the Full Gospel Outreach Centre. And

00:25:17.200 you know, I couldn't be happier. She worked so hard. And she's, she really is helping people who are

00:25:23.540 helping the least of our brothers and sisters. Yeah. Now, I know that you just had a fairly brief

00:25:28.480 phone call with Sarah, and you didn't get very technical. But just to confirm, it wasn't a trial,

00:25:34.320 so that we didn't have a full hearing about it. Our lawyer, Sarah managed to get the Crown

00:25:40.120 prosecutor to drop the case. Is that what happened?

00:25:42.560 That's exactly it. So it never went to trial. She was able to present evidence

00:25:49.320 to the Crown, where they both agreed that this case should not go forward. So

00:25:56.560 I guess that's Sarah saving money for us by working hard to deal with these things before they get to 0.75

00:26:05.280 an expensive trial. Well, you know, and I, that's one way to look at it, saving money. Obviously,

00:26:09.760 we're not, we're doing this for the moral purpose. I take your point that think, you know, I'm glad.

00:26:13.580 No, but to help more people.

00:26:15.640 Yeah, no, I know, I know your point. I take your point. You're exactly right.

00:26:19.260 But it also shows something very interesting. I mean, I know a little bit about Crown prosecutors.

00:26:25.700 Those are basically lawyers, usually working for the Justice Department, although sometimes a private

00:26:30.580 lawyer can be hired on a special basis. They have the duty to prosecute, but only if it's in the public

00:26:38.360 interest and only if there's a reasonable chance of a conviction. So they have a duty to be fair-minded

00:26:48.280 and careful. They can't be vindictive. They can't be extremist. They can't say, well, we got a one in a

00:26:55.220 million shot. Let's put the church through it. So the fact that the Crown prosecutor, and again,

00:27:01.800 I'm just going on what you have reported that Sarah told you, the fact that the police and the health

00:27:08.920 authority and the mayor have a raging vendetta against this church and are issuing tickets like

00:27:17.120 confetti, well, that's their opinion. But when a Crown prosecutor who has a duty as a professional,

00:27:25.420 duty to the court, duty to the public, says, you know what? I don't think this is in the public

00:27:31.480 interest. I don't think I've got a reasonable chance of conviction. I just don't think this is

00:27:36.300 the right thing for the province to do. I will not take this junk case to trial. Now, that's my own 0.97

00:27:42.900 language, but it's actually very, very powerful. And it's a rebuke of the police and the health

00:27:49.200 authorities. And I said this to you this morning, in some ways, had the Crown proceeded, you'd say,

00:27:54.840 okay, well, maybe they actually really have a case and maybe the church was wrong in some way.

00:28:00.100 But for the Crown to say, I'm not taking this mess to court. I'm not using taxpayers' money for this

00:28:08.200 vendetta. I'm not going to a judge. And I mean, I have a reputation as a lawyer. I'm not going to

00:28:13.520 say, judge, I think you should convict this pastor. Like, it's a hell of a rebuke of the police. And

00:28:20.020 the reason I'm emphasizing this, Sheila, is I want to say to anyone watching this program,

00:28:26.620 just because you get a ticket from some angry cop, some cop who doesn't know the rules,

00:28:32.920 some cop who has a vendetta, some cop who has a quota, doesn't mean you did something wrong.

00:28:39.640 It's just an accusation. If you go to fightthefines.com and we'll lawyer up and let a second

00:28:46.560 pair of eyes see that ticket. And I have to say that we have won, I think more than a dozen cases now

00:28:54.180 without even standing for it in court. Because so many of these cases are such junk. The prosecutors 0.99

00:29:01.060 say, I'm not touching that. I don't know what was in the cop's mind when he did that,

00:29:05.460 but I'm not touching that. Thanks for letting me make that point, Sheila. Tell me some more stories

00:29:09.940 you heard this morning. So, in other news about Christian pastors being ticketed for doing the

00:29:19.040 good work of helping the downtrodden, Derek Reimer, he's a street pastor in Calgary with Mission 7

00:29:29.320 Ministries. He was ticketed very early on in the pandemic, back in April, sort of side by side at

00:29:36.380 the same time as Art Poloski received his first batch of tickets. And I say batch because Art's

00:29:42.760 just getting them and Sarah's getting them kicked out the other side all the time. But Derek Reimer

00:29:47.600 was ticketed in April and then he was ticketed, I believe it was in November or December,

00:29:53.980 for an illegal public gathering. And of course, in Calgary, that means feeding the homeless for

00:30:00.120 some reason. Sarah worked really hard and got both of those tickets withdrawn by the Crown. And so

00:30:08.320 that's yet another pastor that Sarah Miller from JSS Barristers has helped spare these good men from

00:30:18.240 these tickets so that they can spend their time and money helping the homeless and the downtrodden

00:30:24.740 in their community. Yeah, it's so weird. I mean, why are the police focused on, like there's a lot of

00:30:30.840 different churches out there of different styles, different, you know, denominations, different

00:30:35.340 focuses. These particular churches that we've just been describing, the one in northern Saskatchewan,

00:30:41.620 the one you've just described, I think Mission 7, I think you said, Arthur Pawlowski, the commonality

00:30:48.740 amongst them is they really get out into the streets and alleys and gutters. They go to the lowest of

00:30:57.440 the low. And this is a point Arthur Pawlowski makes. There are some people below even homeless

00:31:03.560 shelters, below even soup kitchens, because they're, maybe they're violent, maybe they're drunk,

00:31:10.240 maybe they're high on drugs, maybe they're breaking some rule. There are some rules that if you break,

00:31:15.460 you won't be allowed in the homeless shelter. And of course, because of the pandemic they've emptied.

00:31:19.060 So these are the lowest of the low. And it's truly a Mother Teresa mindset that would say, I'm going to

00:31:25.180 leave my comfortable home and I'm going to go out with people in the dirty street. And what kind of a

00:31:32.600 cop says, I'm going after that guy? Like, I mean, I don't think a cop should go after anyway,

00:31:39.100 but there's a commonality in the three things we've just talked about. Arthur Pawlowski,

00:31:44.220 the Prince Albert Church and Mission 7. Why are the police targeting them? I don't know. But boy,

00:31:52.060 am I glad that this fight the fines is focusing on that. And I'm, I was so, anyway, I'm talking too

00:31:56.660 much. But Sheila, I was so happy when you told me on the phone today that we had these wins that I

00:32:01.380 didn't even know about. I didn't even know about them. Yeah. I mean, it's really been very gratifying

00:32:08.620 to help these men who, you know, they're not wealthy. They're not fancy. And in Pastor Art's case,

00:32:18.220 the day he received his first ticket, it was bitterly cold. I think it was below minus 20

00:32:25.780 in Calgary that day. And Pastor Art's out in downtown Calgary. He's wearing, you know,

00:32:32.400 full snowsuit, top to bottom for you, Shankar. He's trying to stay warm. And you realize that Art is

00:32:41.880 freezing while he's trying to feed people who are far less equipped to deal with the cold than he is.

00:32:49.960 And along come the Calgary police and ticket him for that. I mean, and I think in both cases with

00:32:58.780 Prince Albert and in Calgary, I think there's a problem with the mayors there. And the mayors

00:33:06.400 are using the police forces to carry out their personal grudges against these Christian pastors.

00:33:11.540 Yeah, that's very true. I saw this atrocious statement by the Calgary chief of police. Take a

00:33:16.580 quick look at this. He basically says, I'll decide what's political and what's not. I'll decide what

00:33:21.780 we ticket or whatnot. And you have to meet my political test. Take a quick look at this. So

00:33:26.520 gross. We've seen a number of anti-mask protests in the streets of Calgary over the past 14 months,

00:33:32.440 more recently demonstrations, as well as raising awareness about the Middle East conflict in between

00:33:37.400 Israel and Palestine. Are those gatherings treated differently? Are they treated the same? How do

00:33:42.680 police go about keeping an eye on those? Yeah, so it's very similar. But I think one of the key

00:33:48.580 differences that it's important for Calgarians to understand is that protests aren't unlawful.

00:33:54.040 So legitimate protests can go ahead. And we find that the majority of the organizers try to work

00:33:59.500 with police and public health to do that in a way that actually minimizes the spread of COVID-19.

00:34:04.580 What we're seeing on the other side of that is basically outdoor social gatherings that are really

00:34:09.360 masked as protests. So we've seen in other parts of the province where we've seen rodeo slash protest.

00:34:15.320 I saw on social media this morning, outdoor music festival that was being planned slash protest.

00:34:21.580 Those things are not protests or demonstrations. They're outdoor social gatherings, and they're

00:34:25.580 subject to the public health restrictions for sure. Yeah, it's incredible. You know what? It's great to

00:34:29.880 catch up on these things. I should interview Sarah again. I mean, I know her. She's been doing some

00:34:33.980 great work, working so hard. And she's also involved in our constitutional challenges, by the way,

00:34:39.440 both on the Saskatchewan anti-gathering rule and on the COVID jails. So she, I don't know how she's got 0.52

00:34:48.600 all the time to do all this work, but she's doing great work. You know, let me just close on this note.

00:34:53.100 I mean, the Lord moves in mysterious ways. I want to tell you, Sheila, that it was when Arthur was

00:35:00.320 arrested, Pastor Arthur Pavlovsky, that I said, let's take a chance. Let's set up fightthefines.com.

00:35:08.760 We bought that website. He was our very first client, and he became a repeat client, too.

00:35:17.320 Yeah, he's a recidivist.

00:35:18.480 Yeah, that's right. He just won't stop. And who knew that later on his case would have such

00:35:24.300 international attention? And now I look back, 1,200 cases later. I did not know then, Sheila,

00:35:32.440 how big this would be. And it was the egregiousness of his case that caused me and our team and you

00:35:40.600 to say, we have to fight. And you did a great case with Walter...

00:35:46.740 Matheson.

00:35:47.560 Matheson, thank you, in New Brunswick. And we just started slow. We started slow,

00:35:52.460 a case here and a case there. And now we're actually getting about 10 new cases every day.

00:36:01.100 But I think it's making a real difference in this country. And I'm not just saying that to

00:36:05.260 make myself feel better, because I need to feel better in these dark times. But I actually think

00:36:11.120 that 1,200 families have been helped. That makes a dent. And Sheila, you've been leading on so many of

00:36:21.600 these fight the fines cases. And we've met some interesting lawyers. I think we've helped build a

00:36:26.080 generation. We've helped train a generation of civil liberties lawyers in a way. I mean, I'm not

00:36:31.460 taking credit for Sarah Miller, but I'm saying Sarah, Chad Williamson from Calgary. We have lawyers

00:36:39.820 out here in Ontario. We have a lawyer in Vancouver. We have provided the funds through our viewers

00:36:46.460 to really get a team of lawyers experienced, smart on this stuff. I don't know. I'm not saying this to

00:36:55.720 praise us. I'm just saying, I look back 14 months later, it's made a difference. And it's our viewers

00:37:02.040 who did it, because I didn't have a million bucks laying around. And that's about the cost we've put

00:37:07.760 into this project. So that's our viewers. So I would say thanks to all the different people involved.

00:37:14.620 And I sound like it's done. It is not done. It is not done. But we'll keep at it. Listen,

00:37:18.700 why don't you wrap up, Sheila? I've been talking way too much. I've been just sort of

00:37:24.780 reminiscing on the last 14 months that have whizzed by. Give me your thoughts on the whole

00:37:29.420 Fight the Fines project and what's next. You know, at the beginning of Fight the Fines,

00:37:35.020 I think, you know, and I'll credit you for this. You had some foresight. I think you saw how

00:37:39.540 ridiculous this would all be, that it would be normal people getting tickets for doing 0.77

00:37:44.740 completely normal things or in the instance of these Christian pastors, really good things 0.94

00:37:49.640 to help their fellow man. Like that was, I think, one of the reasons the case of Walter Matheson

00:37:55.820 resonated with people. He was just a guy eating a muffin in his car with the window rolled up

00:38:00.780 in a Tim Hortons parking lot. And an out of control cop who was weaponized by fear and new powers

00:38:08.060 banged on his window and gave him a ticket for sitting alone in a parking lot. And, you know,

00:38:13.280 I'm really proud of the work that we're doing, especially during this pandemic, because as you

00:38:18.980 point out, these $800 fines, $1,200 fines, $2,000 fines, they can destroy a family that's teetering

00:38:28.360 on the edge because of the economic fallout of the pandemic. And so I'm really glad that our

00:38:35.220 viewers have helped us help so many people, because as you do rightly point out, each one of

00:38:42.220 these tickets is a family that could face destruction because of a heavy handed law enforcement official 0.95

00:38:49.820 who thought today's the day I'm going to write some tickets.

00:38:52.600 Yeah. Yeah. And it's not called pay the fines. It's called fight the fines. And I think that's

00:38:58.100 made a big difference. Well, Sheila, thank you. I was just so pleased when I heard your news this

00:39:02.840 morning. It was such a surprise to me because I had really been following that Prince Albert case

00:39:07.220 because it's a $14,000 fine. And then just to hear it went away. I mean, it caught me by surprise,

00:39:12.720 but it's because there was no trial because the prime prosecutor said, I'm not taking this garbage 0.98

00:39:20.040 to court. And that is actually a far greater rebuke than for us to say, you know, that old saying in the 0.86

00:39:27.640 media business, dog bites man, that's not news, man bites dog, that's news. It's not news that we say

00:39:37.860 pandemic tickets are over the top. That's what we do every day. But for a crown prosecutor to say,

00:39:44.020 this is garbage. Well, that is news because crown prosecutors usually don't say that 0.99

00:39:50.960 about cases brought to them by police. So that more than anything you or I could say

00:39:56.060 shows the moral, uh, hollowness of these cases. Sheila, we've been, I've been talking far too

00:40:03.040 much. I've just been, I'm overwhelmed by what, by the situation we're in. I feel like Canada is now

00:40:09.780 the worst lockdown jurisdiction in the world. I remember when that distinction belonged to the

00:40:14.020 United Kingdom and Australia, and we were looking at them from afar. Avi Yamini was there. We were

00:40:19.140 looking at videos from Britain. I said, wow, we're immune to that. Well, now we've got it. That's the

00:40:24.020 real virus. And we've got it worse than anyone. I'll let you get back to things because you're

00:40:27.160 so busy. Thanks for fighting the fight. Thanks, boss. And thanks to everybody at home for making

00:40:32.220 the work that we do through fight the fines possible. We couldn't do it without you. We

00:40:35.900 couldn't help these families without all of your support. Right on. Thanks, Sheila. All right. Stay

00:40:39.760 with us. You'll let us your next. Hey, welcome back on my show last night. Lisa writes,

00:40:55.660 I am many have grave concerns that we will indeed see Kenny stealthily go ahead and implement

00:40:59.660 a surveillance program via drone or otherwise. He has most definitely shown his true colors. Yeah. I

00:41:04.720 mean, you've got to be crazy to do that. First of all, hiking outdoors, you don't catch this thing

00:41:12.920 outdoors. It's just not where you catch it. And the people who are most susceptible are 80 years old

00:41:18.100 plus with deep underlying health conditions. They're not the folks out for a little weekend

00:41:23.000 camping. This is just some authoritarian police state wannabe who managed to talk his way through

00:41:30.280 how many layers of bureaucrats and politicians. It's super gross that this wasn't weeded out

00:41:34.340 before it was announced. Corey writes, it's not the socialists in every party. It's the globalists

00:41:40.320 in every party. Yeah, but globalism talks about a lack of democratic sovereignty, lack of borders,

00:41:46.800 lack of local political accountability, but it's not just globalism. It's authoritarianism. Now,

00:41:52.580 the two often go hand in hand, but it's just, it's the police statism that worries me.

00:41:58.380 I've got to tell you that we're going to continue to fight. I said earlier in my monologue,

00:42:01.460 where's the opposition? Where are the conservatives? I don't know the answer to that,

00:42:04.920 but I'm not waiting for them. I'm very proud of our Fight the Fines project. I don't know

00:42:09.480 if you heard me say this, but we have about 1,200 cases now. And I think that makes us the largest

00:42:17.060 civil liberties public interest law firm in Canada. And as you may know, for the past couple months,

00:42:22.880 we've been affiliated to this project has been affiliated with a registered Canadian charity

00:42:28.320 called the Democracy Fund. So if you donate at fightthefines.com, your money actually goes to

00:42:33.840 this charity. The charity pays the lawyers. So you get a charitable tax receipt. So not only are

00:42:39.440 you helping Fight the Fines with these civil liberties lawyers, you're actually saving on your

00:42:43.320 taxes. And if you've got a choice between giving money to Justin Trudeau or giving money to fight

00:42:49.060 for civil liberties, that seems like an easy choice to make. That's our show for today. Until tomorrow,

00:42:54.000 on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, good night. Keep fighting for freedom.

Rebel News Podcast - May 20, 2021

Lockdowns are ending in the USA and the UK. Why is Canada getting stricter？

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