Rebel News Podcast - Macron let Notre Dame burn, but he’s mad at Brazil over naturally occurring Amazon forest fires

00:00:00.000 Hey, Rebels. Today I talk about Jair Bolsonaro. He's the president of Brazil, and Justin Trudeau

00:00:08.360 hates him, and so does the president of France, Emmanuel Macron. Hates Bolsonaro. I like him,

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00:01:03.580 Tonight, Emmanuel Macron lets the Notre Dame burn to ashes, but he's furious with Brazil over

00:01:09.900 naturally occurring forest fires. It's August 28th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:16.400 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:19.920 Well, there's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:01:24.260 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my

00:01:28.860 bloody right to do so.

00:01:35.460 Do you know what the seven wonders of the ancient world were? Only one of them remains,

00:01:41.600 the Great Pyramid. How amazing it is. It was built, who knows how, in about 2,500 BC, and no one ever built

00:01:52.820 anything taller or bigger than it for 3,800 years. It took humanity 3,800 years to learn how to build

00:02:06.520 anything mightier. Are you not curious about the other six wonders that no longer exist?

00:02:13.640 The Lighthouse of Alexandria, which was toppled by several earthquakes, and then its ruined parts

00:02:20.200 were used to build other structures. It was as high as a 30-story skyscraper. Ancient!

00:02:28.520 Here's a computer reconstruction of what archaeologists think it might have looked like,

00:02:32.900 lighting the Mediterranean Sea for 50 miles. The Colossus of Rhodes, a massive statue at the

00:02:41.840 entrance of a harbor, estimated to have been as tall as the Statue of Liberty. Could you imagine

00:02:50.080 that 2,000 years ago? Also felled by an ancient earthquake. Here's one artist's conception of it.

00:02:57.600 Here's another. This one is less dramatic, but probably more accurate. Oh, the lost knowledge,

00:03:05.280 the lost culture, the lost wonder of it all. I tell you this because when the Notre Dame Cathedral

00:03:12.380 burned this year, I felt like I was watching a smaller moment, but not much smaller than an earthquake

00:03:21.780 that would have felled those mighty ancient wonders. And I thanked my lucky stars that I in my life

00:03:29.000 had occasion to visit Notre Dame just a few years ago for the first time in my life, because I'm not

00:03:36.140 sure when we'll ever be able to see it rebuilt again. Maybe it'll be rebuilt again, what, 10 years from

00:03:41.980 now, 20 years from now? And who knows? Who knows? Maybe it'll be torched again. Maybe it'll be bombed the next time.

00:03:50.360 And don't look at me like that, like I'm a conspiracy theorist. Let me play for you the clip

00:03:53.820 of the chief architect of the Notre Dame Cathedral, the man who was in charge of its safety and security

00:03:59.340 and fire alarms for a decade. Listen to him, would you?

00:04:02.360 You have to say, this type of wood doesn't burn like that.

00:04:05.020 No. You know, Duchenne, who has 800 years old, it's very hard. I've tried to burn it.

00:04:11.760 Well, I've never tried. But Duchenne, old wood, it's not easy at all. You have to put a lot of

00:04:17.700 little wood for it. I don't know if it's there. I don't know if it's there. No, I don't

00:04:20.700 know if it's there. I think it's a lot. I don't know if it's there. And where you

00:04:23.740 mènent this reflection? A quelle hypothèse it leads you?

00:04:26.420 I don't have an hypothesis that I could say. Quelle hypothèse on could say?

00:04:33.160 Que... Que ça a été vite. Qu'on aurait pu faire autre chose pour que ça n'aille pas

00:04:41.720 aussi vite. Moi, je me perds en conjecture. Vous savez, on a fait à Notre-Dame, juste avant

00:04:48.280 que je prenne ma retraite, c'est-à-dire dans les années 2010, on a remis à plat toute

00:04:52.800 l'installation électrique de Notre-Dame. Donc il n'y a pas de possibilité de court-circuit.

00:04:56.320 On a remis à plat et aux normes contemporaines, même en allant très loin, toute la détection

00:05:03.180 et protection incendie de la cathédrale. Avec des éléments de témoins de mesure, d'aspiration,

00:05:10.320 etc., etc., qui permettaient de détecter un départ de feu. Vous avez en bas de la cathédrale

00:05:15.320 deux hommes en permanence qui sont là jour et nuit et qui sont là pour aller voir dès qu'il

00:05:20.320 y a une alerte et appeler les pompiers dès que le doute est levé. Ils sont là en permanence ?

00:05:26.320 En permanence, oui. Pourriez-vous avoir une défaillance de mécanisme d'alerte ? Impossible ?

00:05:31.320 Tout est possible. Tout est possible. Moi, je vois mal parce que, bon, ça a été un travail colossal.

00:05:38.320 Et puis, vous savez, c'est comme dans tous ces chantiers de monuments historiques, surtout à Notre-Dame,

00:05:42.320 on a un encadrement technique, normatif, de contrôle, etc., etc., qui est considérable, qu'on ne voit nulle part ailleurs,

00:05:49.320 mais qui est considérable. Donc là, je veux dire que je suis quand même assez stupéfait.

00:05:53.320 Et pendant les treize années où vous avez été l'architecte en chef du bâtiment, vous n'avez pas eu connaissance de départ de feu ?

00:06:00.320 Ça n'est jamais arrivé ? Non.

00:06:02.320 Now, I tell you all this, and I show you that clip, because I tell you that we nearly lost a wonder

00:06:06.320 of the medieval world, not the ancient world, the cathedral of Notre-Dame.

00:06:10.320 And we have lost it, for all practical purposes, for many years, and on Emmanuel Macron's watch.

00:06:17.320 And I think anyone who believes it was a naturally occurring fire on 800-year-old mighty timbers

00:06:23.320 that are practically petrified, try lighting that on fire with a match,

00:06:28.320 and that this fire was not detected or extinguished by the two full-time firemen stationed there,

00:06:33.320 and that, in fact, the fire started in two places simultaneously,

00:06:38.320 and that Macron's government ruled out arson before even investigating the fire,

00:06:42.320 before the fire was even out.

00:06:44.320 I tell you, that pre-explanation was about as credible as those who say,

00:06:48.320 Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide.

00:06:50.320 Honest.

00:06:51.320 I'm sorry.

00:06:52.320 If you believe that, in the face of all the facts, you are the conspiracy theorist.

00:06:58.320 So, Emmanuel Macron, not an arsonist himself, but, well, let's put it this way,

00:07:02.320 someone who has a keen political interest in ensuring that the narrative of,

00:07:06.320 oh, it was just a glitch, so that that Emmanuel Macron, not a fire starter himself,

00:07:13.320 but someone who should probably, for the rest of his life, remain silent about any fires.

00:07:18.320 That Emmanuel Macron, who is in the 20-something range in approval as French president,

00:07:23.320 in part because of his police brutality against the Yellow Vests,

00:07:26.320 the anti-carbon tax protesters in France, that Emmanuel Macron,

00:07:30.320 who hosted the G7 summit over the weekend in France,

00:07:33.320 that Emmanuel Macron has decided to launch a political campaign against Brazil

00:07:41.320 for the annual naturally occurring fires in the Amazon forest.

00:07:49.320 Now, the Amazon is huge, and it has forest fires naturally every year all the time,

00:07:54.320 just like Canada's northern forests do.

00:07:57.320 That's how it works in nature.

00:07:58.320 It always has.

00:07:59.320 Forest fires are shocking and destructive,

00:08:02.320 but they are rejuvenating as well as part of the cycle of life.

00:08:05.320 They are natural to say.

00:08:06.320 Otherwise, it's anthropocentric.

00:08:08.320 In fact, when humans don't do controlled burns to clear out the dead forest,

00:08:13.320 more massive forest fires are likely because of that human beneficence and interference.

00:08:18.320 So there are many forest fires in the Amazon right now,

00:08:21.320 and some of them are arson,

00:08:23.320 not committed by some anonymous people who we can't name,

00:08:26.320 who hate symbols of Christianity like the Notre Dame Cathedral,

00:08:30.320 but rather sometimes by people who want to be farmers and loggers,

00:08:33.320 perhaps people who are environmentalists who want to stunt,

00:08:36.320 perhaps people who just live and work in the Amazon.

00:08:38.320 Some of them burn the forest for their own livelihoods.

00:08:40.320 I don't agree with the practice,

00:08:42.320 but it is a more noble motivation than torching a church.

00:08:47.320 Macron wouldn't have to worry about things like earning a living as a farmer.

00:08:50.320 He's busy drinking thousand-dollar bottles of wine in the Alps with his mother wife.

00:08:55.320 You know her, right?

00:08:57.320 That was his high school teacher who walked out on her real family 0.52

00:09:01.320 to marry her high school student.

00:09:04.320 They are weird, creepy people.

00:09:06.320 I'm sorry, Emmanuel Macron and his mother wife.

00:09:09.320 So Emmanuel Macron decides to make Brazil's forest fires his big deal at the G7.

00:09:16.320 There are forest fires in Siberia right now.

00:09:19.320 Macron doesn't really care about those.

00:09:22.320 There are forest fires every summer in Canada, too.

00:09:25.320 Macron doesn't really care about those.

00:09:27.320 In fact, those are obviously the fault of global warming.

00:09:30.320 I mean, duh.

00:09:31.320 You can't blame Putin or Trudeau for those.

00:09:33.320 Not that forest fires are on the list of the top thousand concerns.

00:09:37.320 You'd expect at a G7, meaning Trump was there, to talk about trade deals

00:09:41.320 and a bit to talk about China.

00:09:42.320 He's a serious man.

00:09:43.320 Here, take a look at this news.

00:09:45.320 No big deal.

00:09:46.320 Just a trade treaty with Japan.

00:09:49.320 The deal is done in principle.

00:09:51.320 We probably will be signing it around UNGA.

00:09:54.320 It will be around the date of UNGA, which we all look forward to.

00:10:00.320 And we're very far down the line.

00:10:02.320 We've agreed to every point, and now we're papering it,

00:10:06.320 and we'll be signing it at a formal ceremony.

00:10:09.320 And I just want to thank Prime Minister Abe and the Japanese people.

00:10:14.320 You've been a fantastic friend, and we very much appreciate it.

00:10:18.320 This is a tremendous deal for the United States.

00:10:22.320 It's a really tremendous deal for our farmers and agricultural ranches,

00:10:26.320 and also involves other things, including, as I said, e-commerce.

00:10:30.320 So it's very big, and we look forward to it.

00:10:33.320 And thank you very much.

00:10:36.320 Huge.

00:10:37.320 That's Trump, the dealmaker.

00:10:38.320 Billions in new trade.

00:10:40.320 But what can Macron announce?

00:10:42.320 Did he have anything like that?

00:10:43.320 Well, he's not much of anything.

00:10:45.320 He's not a businessman like Trump.

00:10:46.320 He's not a dealmaker.

00:10:48.320 He's a failure domestically.

00:10:50.320 He couldn't really criticize China for their violence against Hong Kong democracy protesters,

00:10:56.320 not given his misconduct against the Yellow Vest.

00:10:59.320 So he chose to attack Jair Bolsonaro, the right-wing president of Brazil,

00:11:04.320 and to blame Brazil for its forest fires, and frankly to threaten to put sanctions,

00:11:10.320 or at least to cancel a proposed trade agreement with Brazil.

00:11:14.320 If Brazil didn't do what about its forest fires?

00:11:17.320 It's not like they're not fighting the forest fires.

00:11:20.320 It's not like Bolsonaro is pro forest fire.

00:11:22.320 What exactly?

00:11:23.320 Are they saying that Brazil did morally wrong?

00:11:27.320 Now, it takes great skill to negotiate a trade deal, or at least a good one,

00:11:31.320 but any fool can rip one up, and Macron is that fool.

00:11:35.320 So that was his big splash at his own summit.

00:11:38.320 Of course, it's really just because he hates Bolsonaro, the right-winger.

00:11:42.320 I don't know Bolsonaro that well, but I like what I see.

00:11:46.320 I like him in part because the left hates him.

00:11:50.320 In fact, they hate him so much they stabbed him in the stomach, literally, physically.

00:11:55.320 Just weeks before the election, a left-wing activist,

00:11:57.320 and he came perilously close to dying, losing nearly half of his body's blood.

00:12:02.320 That makes me like the guy.

00:12:03.320 He's pro-America, which is a nice change for Brazil.

00:12:07.320 He's pro-Israel, which is a nice change for any world leader.

00:12:10.320 And he's fiercely anti-communist, which is nice,

00:12:13.320 in the era of Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and other socialists.

00:12:19.320 So Macron, the affite teacher-marrying bureaucrat,

00:12:25.320 started a little Twitter war against Bolsonaro.

00:12:28.320 Sort of pitiful.

00:12:29.320 You've got the world's seven most important democracies together,

00:12:32.320 and that's what you're talking about.

00:12:33.320 But hang on, hang on.

00:12:34.320 It's not actually the seven most important democracies, is it?

00:12:37.320 India is a democracy.

00:12:39.320 They have more than a billion people.

00:12:43.320 They weren't at the G7.

00:12:44.320 Brazil is a democracy.

00:12:46.320 200 million people.

00:12:47.320 They're not in the G7.

00:12:49.320 Both of those countries have a much larger GDP than Canada.

00:12:52.320 So they don't have more people.

00:12:54.320 Canada doesn't have more people.

00:12:56.320 They have a bigger economy.

00:12:58.320 So yeah, you can imagine the reaction in Brazil.

00:13:01.320 When Macron, and you guessed it, Justin Trudeau,

00:13:04.320 started lecturing Bolsonaro on the Amazon fires,

00:13:06.320 and even threatening economic retaliation.

00:13:09.320 That's the attitude of a colonial master a bit, I think.

00:13:14.320 It must have seemed.

00:13:15.320 I say Canada because Trudeau retweeted Macron as a Me Too,

00:13:19.320 piling on so bravely.

00:13:21.320 Except the picture that Macron included in his tweet,

00:13:24.320 it was a fake, I mean, it was a real photograph,

00:13:27.320 but not of the fires this year in Brazil.

00:13:29.320 He used a fake photo, disinformation, fake news,

00:13:33.320 and Trudeau retweeted it because he's that stupid.

00:13:37.320 I'm still waiting for the CBC fact check on that one.

00:13:39.320 I'll be waiting a while.

00:13:41.320 Macron and Trudeau are two weird dudes.

00:13:44.320 I'm sorry, I showed you that image of Macron kissing his teacher,

00:13:48.320 who then left her family to marry him. 0.85

00:13:52.320 Here's Trudeau's version of that sort of weirdness.

00:13:56.320 Because you're very handsome.

00:13:57.320 Thank you, Justin.

00:13:59.320 Kiss him! 0.95

00:14:01.320 I think because...

00:14:03.320 Yeah, that's weird.

00:14:05.320 Here's how the American press covered Trudeau's arrival at the G7.

00:14:09.320 This is from the White House press pool.

00:14:11.320 Trudeau arrived and immediately embraced Macron in a tight hug.

00:14:16.320 The two leaders patted each other's backs several times

00:14:20.320 and made small talk on a walkway overlooking the ocean below.

00:14:25.320 Oh, that's so romantic.

00:14:26.320 Here's a photo of the last time they met.

00:14:28.320 I'm sorry.

00:14:29.320 I'm just sorry to say that is weird.

00:14:30.320 I know in Europe they do the cheek-kissing thing,

00:14:33.320 or sometimes it's just an air-kissing thing.

00:14:35.320 But that hands behind the back, full body-to-body frontal embrace,

00:14:40.320 that is not a Europe thing.

00:14:42.320 That's a Trudeau and Macron creepy thing.

00:14:45.320 I'm sorry if you don't like me mentioning it.

00:14:47.320 If it were Trump doing that,

00:14:48.320 you know that photo's weirdness would be on the front page

00:14:51.320 of every newspaper in the world.

00:14:52.320 So Trudeau and Macron not only thought they'd be

00:14:55.320 flex against Brazil on forest fires,

00:14:58.320 instead of against China for trade or on anything meaningful.

00:15:02.320 And also, so very generously,

00:15:04.320 Trudeau and Macron agreed to chip in a few million bucks.

00:15:07.320 Yeah, thanks for the trinkets, guys.

00:15:10.320 I mean, Canada itself spends half a billion to a billion dollars a year

00:15:13.320 fighting our naturally occurring forest fires.

00:15:15.320 These Amazon fires are so big, it's a multi-billion dollar job.

00:15:18.320 The few millions offered by Trudeau and Macron weren't about solving the problem.

00:15:23.320 They were about virtue signaling, concern trolling, as the kids say.

00:15:26.320 Just an expensive press release so they could say they were early,

00:15:29.320 really concerned about this Bolsonaro guy.

00:15:31.320 And you know, it's not just partisan politics because they chipped in a few bucks

00:15:34.320 because obviously Bolsonaro's not doing enough.

00:15:36.320 Yeah, yeah, no.

00:15:39.320 Bolsonaro isn't part of the French-Canadian hug club.

00:15:42.320 I know the media loves both Trudeau and Macron, but their own citizens don't.

00:15:47.320 Trump's latest poll numbers put them at 50%.

00:15:49.320 Trudeau's are at 33%.

00:15:51.320 Macron's in the 20s.

00:15:53.320 I'm going to guess that pushing back against Trudeau and Macron will do just fine for Bolsonaro

00:16:00.320 in the polls back in Brazil.

00:16:03.320 Trump saw an opening, by the way.

00:16:05.320 He'll let the little pitchers of the G7 insult Brazil. 1.00

00:16:08.320 He'll show support.

00:16:09.320 And he'll probably get a great trade deal out of the thing, too, for Americans.

00:16:13.320 I mean, if these little socialists, Trudeau and Macron,

00:16:16.320 want to push Brazil closer to the U.S. orbit, Trump will take that all day.

00:16:21.320 Trudeau's pretty gross when it comes to Bolsonaro.

00:16:23.320 I don't know if you remember this.

00:16:24.320 I've mentioned it before.

00:16:25.320 When Bolsonaro won his election, after being stabbed, for God's sake,

00:16:30.320 Trudeau and his useless foreign minister, Krista Freeland,

00:16:33.320 they sent out the traditional press release, as is done when a country has an election.

00:16:38.320 But this one was so weird.

00:16:41.320 It didn't mention Jair Bolsonaro at all, let alone congratulate him.

00:16:47.320 Certainly no congratulatory phone call.

00:16:49.320 Just some weird congratulations to the Brazilian people, 1.00

00:16:52.320 but not saying who they voted in their outstanding election for which they need to be congratulated.

00:16:59.320 It was such a bizarre diplomatic snub.

00:17:01.320 But that's because Trudeau and Freeland and their weird team of millennial know-it-all-know-nothings,

00:17:07.320 the same people who botched India and botched China and botched Saudi Arabia

00:17:12.320 and botched the NAFTA in renegotiations, they thought this would be a clever snub.

00:17:16.320 Yeah, no. As hard as it is for Trudeau to believe, he needs Brazil more than Brazil needs him or Canada.

00:17:24.320 Even little things, not even substantive things.

00:17:26.320 But how about eye contact?

00:17:28.320 Remember Justin Trudeau was at a recent international summit,

00:17:31.320 and there he is placed next to Xi Jinping, the Chinese president,

00:17:35.320 who wouldn't even make eye contact with Trudeau.

00:17:37.320 And Trudeau lacked the courage to ask him about the two Canadian hostages.

00:17:40.320 Trudeau is a coward in person. He is with Trump.

00:17:45.320 So on one side of him is President Xi, because it was alphabetical.

00:17:48.320 Brazil, Canada, China.

00:17:50.320 So he had Bolsonaro on his other side, Trudeau and President Xi.

00:17:54.320 Bolsonaro, who really I don't even think even cares about Canada or thinks about Canada.

00:17:59.320 I don't even think he's mad about Canada.

00:18:01.320 I just don't even think he knows Canada exists.

00:18:03.320 But Trudeau, he didn't do the basics of diplomacy.

00:18:06.320 Imagine if he had actually called to say congrats,

00:18:08.320 and they had a five-minute friendly phone call and made tiny acquaintances.

00:18:13.320 But he didn't do that.

00:18:14.320 So he's a stranger.

00:18:16.320 Too bad.

00:18:18.320 It might have been helpful in that one tense moment to maybe have Bolsonaro be friendly or even helpful.

00:18:23.320 I don't know.

00:18:24.320 But no, no, no.

00:18:25.320 The master strategist in Trudeau's brain trust thought snubbing Bolsonaro to impress,

00:18:29.320 I don't even know who.

00:18:30.320 That was the plan.

00:18:32.320 So yeah.

00:18:33.320 You know what I think?

00:18:35.320 I think Bolsonaro was the right to turn down the 20 million or whatever it was.

00:18:39.320 He'll probably spend five billion on these fires.

00:18:41.320 20 million isn't help.

00:18:43.320 It's preening.

00:18:44.320 But Bolsonaro should take a million dollars,

00:18:48.320 and he should send a million dollars to the Grassy Narrows Indian Band

00:18:53.320 to help them recover from mercury poisoning in Canada.

00:18:56.320 That's the group that tried to get Trudeau's help, but Trudeau laughed at them and thanked them for their money.

00:19:03.320 People in Grassy Narrows are suffering from mercury poisoning.

00:19:07.320 You committed to addressing this crisis.

00:19:10.320 Thank you for being here.

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00:19:13.320 I really appreciate the donation to the Liberal Party of Canada.

00:19:18.320 Yeah.

00:19:19.320 I don't think a year Bolsonaro needs Trudeau's help, but maybe Trudeau needs Bolsonaro's help, or at least the people in Grassy Narrows do.

00:19:28.320 And France?

00:19:29.320 Yeah, I think Bolsonaro should give Macron some help.

00:19:33.320 Maybe help by sending a human rights observer to make sure the police brutality against the Yellow Vest doesn't get out of hand more.

00:19:42.320 In this fight, I'm on Team Bolsonaro, I'll tell you that.

00:19:45.320 Stay with us for more on this subject.

00:19:47.320 And joining us now is someone who grew up in Brazil and fought against its previous regime, which was socialist and authoritarian, and she fought for freedom.

00:20:11.320 She lives in America now, where she's a conservative pundit.

00:20:14.320 You can follow her online on Twitter.

00:20:17.320 Her name is Julia Song, and she joins us via Skype.

00:20:19.320 Julia, great to see you again.

00:20:21.320 Hi, thanks for having me.

00:20:23.320 Oh, it's my pleasure.

00:20:24.320 I think you're really the only Brazilian conservative pundit we know.

00:20:28.320 But you are in a perfect spot because you know what the previous regime was like.

00:20:34.320 You fought for freedom there.

00:20:36.320 And now, watching Yair Bolsonaro, who is very freedom-oriented, take lectures from two failed leaders, Justin Trudeau and Emmanuel Macron.

00:20:47.320 I just had to ask you what you thought of the whole diplomatic fracas and how you think it's going down in Brazil.

00:20:57.320 Well, Amazon has always been a poor region, same as the Northeast.

00:21:03.320 So the Northwest and the Northeast have been poor.

00:21:06.320 And they have been under the stronghold of the previous socialist government because people are enslaved due to welfare.

00:21:15.320 The welfare state is massive.

00:21:17.320 So a lot of activists go to this part of the country and they try to dominate the narrative.

00:21:23.320 And what Bolsonaro is doing is that he's just fighting for, you know, economy.

00:21:29.320 He's fighting for jobs.

00:21:30.320 He's fighting to lower.

00:21:31.320 We have violence levels that are above war zones like Afghanistan and Syria, et cetera.

00:21:38.320 So he's focusing on those issues while they're trying to make Amazon seem like a big deal.

00:21:44.320 In reality, these pirates are below average.

00:21:47.320 And they're trying to make it seem as a big deal, but only because that area is basically a stronghold for socialists still.

00:21:56.320 And the globalists are trying to use that as an excuse to push their agenda on Brazil.

00:22:01.320 In fact, I believe that Bolsonaro recently came out saying that Macron needs to apologize.

00:22:07.320 And they're trying to, once again, change the narrative saying that Bolsonaro is asking for a personal apology.

00:22:13.320 When in reality, he's asking for an apology because they are meddling with the sovereignty of Brazil. 0.52

00:22:20.320 Yeah.

00:22:21.320 You know, there are forest fires in every forest.

00:22:24.320 It's got nothing to do with policies.

00:22:26.320 In fact, human policies often make it worse by stopping natural fires that would clean out the deadwood.

00:22:32.320 We've seen that in Canada.

00:22:34.320 Even we've seen that in Fort McMurray, the forest management techniques were part of the problem.

00:22:39.320 It's not an international affair.

00:22:41.320 It's not an international crisis to try and shoehorn that into.

00:22:46.320 I think what they were trying to do is to turn Brazil into a global warming enemy of the world.

00:22:53.320 Because it's easier to pick on Brazil than China, which actually is the world's largest polluter of real pollution, not just carbon dioxide.

00:23:01.320 I think the whole thing was a cheap, cheap way to look brave by beating up on Brazil instead of taking on China. 0.99

00:23:10.320 Or even if you care about forest fires, let's talk about the fires in Russia.

00:23:15.320 But they just thought they'd take a swipe at Bolsonaro.

00:23:17.320 I think it was so transparent.

00:23:19.320 But the media, they love that narrative.

00:23:21.320 Well, I saw many things that me as a Brazilian, they came out as red flags.

00:23:27.320 For example, the first thing that I saw, and I refused to comment this for a while before it got really big because I just saw so many red flags.

00:23:36.320 I didn't believe that this was going to get huge.

00:23:39.320 But, for example, they were saying that the cattle ranchers were responsible for the fire.

00:23:44.320 There has been no investigation.

00:23:46.320 How did they come out with it?

00:23:48.320 And then Bolsonaro said the NGOs were currently being investigated for that and they ridiculed them.

00:23:55.320 So how do you tell me that the cattle ranchers were the ones responsible without an investigation?

00:24:00.320 And you ridiculed Bolsonaro for coming out with an alternative for this issue.

00:24:05.320 Another thing that they said is that Sao Paulo was burning.

00:24:08.320 Sao Paulo is two regions away from the Amazon forest.

00:24:12.320 There is some rainforest in Sao Paulo, which is really small because it's a very industrialized area.

00:24:18.320 But Sao Paulo is in the southeast and Amazon is in the northwest.

00:24:24.320 There is no way that a fire would cross the country and reach Sao Paulo.

00:24:29.320 So all of these red flags were coming out and I thought there's no way anybody's going to believe this.

00:24:35.320 But now I see the president of France coming out and trying to throw sanctions, trade sanctions on Brazil because of this.

00:24:43.320 And this is why he needs to apologize because the sovereignty of Brazil was put in jeopardy due to this thing that Macron came out with.

00:24:54.320 And it's just not right. Brazil is not going to fall for the globalist agenda.

00:24:59.320 Yeah. You know, it's it's so weird.

00:25:02.320 I don't think that any country in the world has sanctions on China.

00:25:07.320 I mean, there's some trade tariffs, but that's not a political sanction designed to punish someone.

00:25:13.320 A trade tariff is a it's you know, it's it's a tit for tat economically.

00:25:18.320 The idea of sanctions on Brazil, while there's no sanctions on China, is so morally upside down.

00:25:26.320 And I think that's crass.

00:25:29.320 And then they're throwing a few bones to Brazil.

00:25:32.320 Here's a few million dollars to combat this fire.

00:25:35.320 These fires will cost billions to fight.

00:25:38.320 I mean, I looked it up in Canada spends a billion dollars a year on our regular forest fires.

00:25:45.320 This huge forest fire costs billions.

00:25:47.320 20 million bucks is a joke, but it's just designed, I think, so that people will say, oh, Macron and Trudeau, they really, really mean it.

00:25:55.320 And they're willing to spend money that Bolsonaro isn't.

00:25:58.320 They must be the real heroes and he must be the demon here.

00:26:01.320 I think they're getting away with it, though, Julia.

00:26:04.320 I think if you look at the state broadcaster in our country, the CBC, if you look at CNN,

00:26:10.320 if you look at CNN, I think that the Macron-Trudeau smear is succeeding, again, because Bolsonaro is pro-Trump and that means the media must destroy him.

00:26:22.320 So I think the propaganda exercised by Macron and Trudeau, despite its flaws, I mean, Macron tweeted a photo that wasn't even from this decade of a fire.

00:26:32.320 Like the false information, the fake news, but they're getting away with it.

00:26:35.320 That's what I observe.

00:26:36.320 What do you think?

00:26:38.320 Well, under the previous government in Brazil, there had been fires way bigger than this that we never even heard about.

00:26:44.320 And it's just mind blowing that this is being brought to this proportions when in reality this fire is actually below average.

00:26:53.320 There's nothing about this fire that, you know, the one thing about this fire that I will say is the fact that I knew from the beginning that the government did not have the ability to fight it on its own because the government is bankrupt.

00:27:05.320 In the beginning of the year, we had a huge domestic terrorism crisis in Brazil that was actually keeping people from leaving their homes.

00:27:14.320 And the government did not have the manpower or the resources to fight that.

00:27:19.320 So now there comes a fire in Amazon, which we don't have infrastructure.

00:27:23.320 We don't have roads.

00:27:24.320 Many times we have to get there through boats or planes, et cetera.

00:27:28.320 So how are you going to fight that?

00:27:30.320 There's no way to actually properly fight it.

00:27:32.320 You just have to let it play it out.

00:27:34.320 And we've seen this time and time again.

00:27:36.320 In fact, all over the world, there's an especially dry season.

00:27:40.320 There's places that are burning way worse than the Amazon.

00:27:43.320 We're seeing fires in California.

00:27:45.320 We're seeing fires in Australia.

00:27:46.320 We're seeing fires in Africa.

00:27:48.320 But somehow this below average fire in Amazon.

00:27:53.320 And one of the things that we learned in Brazil very early in school is the myth that Amazon is the lungs of the world.

00:28:02.320 Because Amazon is a forest that is mature, which means it produces as much as it consumes.

00:28:10.320 So it's not going to be producing a whole lot of oxygen to the world because it has so much biodiversity that it consumes a lot of the oxygen that it produces.

00:28:20.320 So the whole thing, the whole narrative about having to save Amazon because we're running out of oxygen, that is actually not true.

00:28:28.320 Yeah. Well, there's a lot of junk science being offered up by the global warming theorists.

00:28:32.320 It's interesting to me that you say that there's a possibility that NGOs, I don't know, like Greenpeace or its analogs might actually be behind this.

00:28:42.320 I wouldn't be shocked by that.

00:28:43.320 I mean, they love the narrative of extreme climate events.

00:28:48.320 And sometimes there are naturally occurring, you know, hurricanes or whatnot that they try and capitalize on.

00:28:53.320 But starting a fire, I mean, many of the wildfires, there were dozens of arson fires in Canada and the United States in the last year that were turned into global warming crises, even though they were started by arson.

00:29:06.320 I wouldn't put it past the green pieces of the world to start fires in the Amazon for this political momentum.

00:29:14.320 I mean, I know that sounds crazy, but these people are crazy or at least they they think the ends justify the means.

00:29:21.320 Who is doing the investigation of that? Is there a Brazilian government investigation?

00:29:25.320 Is it a police investigation? Because I hadn't heard that before.

00:29:29.320 So basically what happens in Amazon is that Amazon is used as a political pawn in Brazil.

00:29:37.320 The previous government was sustaining those NGOs, those those people under a welfare state.

00:29:43.320 Bolsonaro cut that. He said, you know what? The government is bankrupt.

00:29:47.320 We're not going to keep giving money to NGOs who are promoting a socialist agenda.

00:29:53.320 We're going to cut that fund. So he cut basically billions in funding for those agencies.

00:30:00.320 And he said there is a possibility that they started arson. Now, arson is not new.

00:30:04.320 It's not something that we came up with yesterday. Arson has been around forever.

00:30:08.320 There is the possibility that it has been started as a way to to protest against the funding that was cut for those NGOs.

00:30:18.320 Now we have the Ministry of the Environment. We have the police. We have everybody looking into this, even the military.

00:30:27.320 Now it's very hard to prove because Amazon is a place that is hard to access.

00:30:33.320 So it is difficult. There's not a lot of roads. There's not a lot of anything there.

00:30:38.320 So for you to prove that somebody went there and set something on fire, it is difficult.

00:30:43.320 However, I don't think that he would have come out in public and would have said that if he didn't have a very, very strong belief that that's exactly what happened.

00:30:54.320 Yeah, it would be hard to prove it. I mean, when there's arson in, let's say, a restaurant or a house, it's a small crime scene you can investigate, see where the fire started.

00:31:04.320 In a massive fire, a series of fires, it would it would be practically impossible to do a forensic report.

00:31:11.320 You'd probably need some human intelligence, someone who spilled the beans.

00:31:14.320 It would be interesting to see how that plays out. Well, I want to say that I'm pleased that Donald Trump, at least, is standing with Brazil and Bolsonaro.

00:31:22.320 He did a very strong tweet, which is how the president prefers to communicate, it seems.

00:31:27.320 And and Jair Bolsonaro tweeted back his gratitude.

00:31:33.320 Let me ask you, there are some Brazilians who obviously love Bolsonaro.

00:31:37.320 He won, if I recall, with 55 percent of the vote. His polls go up and down for economic reasons, for other reasons.

00:31:43.320 Do you think that people share Bolsonaro's sense of pride and contempt for Macron and Trudeau?

00:31:52.320 Or do you think do you think Bolsonaro is rallying Brazilians against these meddlers?

00:31:59.320 Or do you think maybe they're actually taking the side of Trudeau and Macron against their own leader?

00:32:04.320 What's your read on the public mood in Brazil itself?

00:32:08.320 So the thing about Trump that he did that I really liked was the fact that he came out in support of Brazil.

00:32:17.320 And he said, I support Brazil and I'm going to be offering the help.

00:32:22.320 What Macron did is that he threw Brazil under the bus and then he tried to, you know, say, hey, come on, let me lift you up.

00:32:30.320 But after he had already threw Bolsonaro and Brazil under the bus, he tried to come out as the good guy.

00:32:36.320 And that is why Bolsonaro did not accept his help, because he was the one questioning Brazil's sovereignty in the first place.

00:32:42.320 Now we have a history of 16 years under a socialist government.

00:32:46.320 The cultural Marxism and the globalist agenda that have been pushed into people's minds over the years is not something to be ignored.

00:32:56.320 People will believe they have been fed through the media, through educational systems.

00:33:02.320 However, a huge part of the Brazilian, and this is something to keep in mind, is that Brazil is a democracy.

00:33:09.320 More than the half of the people of the country elected Bolsonaro in a democratic election.

00:33:17.320 That means when you question him in public, when you when you come out and say, for example, they talk about Trump voters as being racist.

00:33:25.320 He was elected democratically. So you're talking about the sovereignty of the country.

00:33:31.320 You're talking about the people. You're not talking about just one man.

00:33:34.320 You're talking about 57 million people, over 57 million people who voted for that man and elected him as a president.

00:33:41.320 So, yes, I believe that he should apologize.

00:33:44.320 There are Brazilians who have that mindset of thinking that Bolsonaro is too rough.

00:33:51.320 He is, you know, a special ops guy.

00:33:54.320 He came from the military. His sense of humor is extremely sarcastic.

00:34:00.320 I believe he was bothered by a journalist maybe earlier in the month, and she asked him some climate questions.

00:34:09.320 And he said that people should go to the restroom less times if they wanted to worry about that.

00:34:15.320 This became news. It was another example of him joking and people taking that seriously.

00:34:21.320 People making this a big deal of every little thing that he says.

00:34:27.320 They're trying to make him the bad guy.

00:34:30.320 And in reality, he just became president a few months ago.

00:34:34.320 Yeah. Well, it reminds me of people taking every Trump joke.

00:34:37.320 Trump's an entertainer. He's an impresario.

00:34:39.320 They loved him when he was, you know, running reality shows and running the Miss America pageant.

00:34:46.320 The minute he became a politician, that sense of humor that they knew, now they're parsing it as if it's a policy paper.

00:34:52.320 Well, listen, Julia, it's great to see you again.

00:34:54.320 And thank you very much for giving us your thoughts.

00:34:56.320 Thank you.

00:34:57.320 Yes. And I've always been interested in Bolsonaro.

00:35:00.320 And I want to remind our viewers that the left tried to stop him with a knife.

00:35:05.320 And had he been maybe 10 minutes later to the hospital, they may have succeeded.

00:35:09.320 He lost so much of his blood.

00:35:11.320 And I think he is a true hope for Brazil in the same way that Trump is.

00:35:15.320 And like Trump, he's a flawed man.

00:35:17.320 But I think he's the best thing that country, best hope that country has.

00:35:20.320 And I sense that's your view, too, Julia.

00:35:22.320 So I appreciate you joining us today.

00:35:25.320 Thank you.

00:35:26.320 All right. Stay with us.

00:35:27.320 More ahead on The Rebel.

00:35:28.320 Hey, folks, what do you think of this show today?

00:35:42.320 I mean, I find Brazil very interesting.

00:35:44.320 I've never been there.

00:35:45.320 I've never been to South America.

00:35:47.320 I'm sure that there are things about Jair Bolsonaro I would disagree with.

00:35:51.320 But the fact that he is arrayed against globalist leftists like Macron and Trudeau

00:35:57.320 and allied with America, Israel, against communism, I like the cut of his jib.

00:36:03.320 The fact that Antifa tried to murder him on the campaign trail,

00:36:06.320 the fact that Trudeau and Macron try and shame him and embarrass him,

00:36:10.320 makes me like him all the more.

00:36:12.320 And I don't know.

00:36:14.320 It's just sort of pitiful that the best Macron and Trudeau can do is some preening press release

00:36:20.320 while Donald Trump just snagged a free trade deal with Japan.

00:36:23.320 I wish we had a leader befitting of this moment.

00:36:26.320 I think it's too bad that Justin Trudeau was our prime minister during the Obama years.

00:36:33.320 And sorry, that Stephen Harper, pardon me, was prime minister during the Obama years

00:36:38.320 and that Trudeau was prime minister during the Trump years.

00:36:41.320 It would have been very interesting to me in some hypothetical alternative reality

00:36:45.320 if Harper and Trump were in the same time.

00:36:47.320 They certainly have such stylistic differences.

00:36:49.320 But imagine what we could have done as Canadians

00:36:52.320 if we had someone who was intellectual and professional enough

00:36:57.320 to take advantage of the opportunities of the Trump economy.

00:37:00.320 We'll have to always daydream about what could have been.

00:37:03.320 Folks, that's the show for today.

00:37:05.320 On behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters,

00:37:07.320 and you at home, good night, and keep fighting for freedom.

00:37:10.320 Have a great day.

00:37:15.320 Thank you.

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Rebel News Podcast - August 29, 2019

Macron let Notre Dame burn, but he’s mad at Brazil over naturally occurring Amazon forest fires

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