Join me as my friend Michelle Sterling from Friends of Science joins me to discuss the hypocrisy of the "green" academics who want to see the federal government bail out the oil and gas sector, and why that's a bad idea.
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00:03:00.880But our friends at Friends of Science have pointed out just how ridiculous it is
00:03:06.700for these academics to attack the oil and gas sector.
00:03:10.440After all, the oil and gas sector supports so much of academia.
00:03:15.500The makers always support the professional thinkers,
00:03:18.840even if the professional thinkers don't like to be reminded of that inconvenient truth,
00:03:23.400if you'll allow me to borrow a phrase from Al Gore.
00:03:25.920Joining me tonight to discuss the raging ingratitude of these green academics and so much more is my friend Michelle Sterling from Friends of Science
00:03:35.340in an interview we recorded yesterday afternoon.
00:03:52.160So joining me now is Michelle Sterling from Friends of Science from her home in Calgary.
00:03:57.300Michelle, thank you so much for joining me.
00:04:00.720We've heard a lot lately about how the federal government is sort of examining the coronavirus shutdown in the economy as a way to now rewrite the economy in a green way.
00:04:18.600Anyway, Justin Trudeau talked about that in an interview with CBC Kids that I sat through.
00:04:37.400Right, well, there is a group of 265 academics from across Canada who sort of initiated this
00:04:48.140because they wrote a letter basically saying, you know, don't bail out the oil and gas industry
00:04:53.480because they're a bunch of bums and you should be doing wonderful things for the environment and climate change and la-dee-da-dee-da.
00:05:00.300Now, interestingly enough, I think 38 of them, is it?
00:05:05.94038 of these professors are from Alberta universities.
00:05:10.620And this is just, you know, really disgusting to think that people whose salaries come from taxes that come from industry and people who work would be so blind and ignorant.
00:05:24.860So, you know, in 2018, Abacus Data did a big poll across Canada and they found that actually Canadians' first priority was health care, improved health care.
00:05:49.380So now we're in this COVID crisis and just imagine if they had spent the hundreds of millions, billions of dollars that have been wasted on climate change on improving health care and improving the health care system, we would not be in this state today.
00:06:05.760And these academics who don't want to see the energy industry supported, what are they going to do if they're ever dragged into hospital?
00:06:13.980Because everything in our hospital relies 100% on fossil fuels, everything.
00:06:19.980So anyway, we wrote this letter outing these academics, calling their bluff and asking the government to save Canada, build pipelines and quit Paris, get out of the Paris Agreement.
00:06:30.940That's probably the most important thing that we could do.
00:06:33.440Now, you guys also, not you, I'm sorry, Robert Lyman also wrote a letter that basically saying to these academics, and when we say academics, we don't mean like geoscientists or climatologists, meteorologists.
00:06:58.460These academics could be like gender studies majors, masquerading as academic.
00:07:06.320Well, most of them are in the social sciences.
00:07:08.620And, you know, certainly there's a role for that in society.
00:07:11.840But these should not be the people who are deciding our energy policies because they have no idea how things work.
00:07:19.320Like there are no engineers in this list of people.
00:07:21.680So advocating for, you know, a full renewable, 100% renewable or net zero 2050 policies, you know, these are ludicrous.
00:07:34.280And that they actually will kill a lot of people, as Professor Kelly, who is an expert in engineering, has said that such goals would cause mass deaths.
00:07:46.140So these are social scientists who are actually advocating for the death of human beings with their views on energy.
00:07:53.700So, yes, Robert Lyman is an energy economist.
00:07:58.680He was a federal public servant for 27 years, and he was a diplomat for 10 years.
00:08:05.300So he's worked on the GHG file for a long time, and he's been different departments within the government, including finance.
00:08:13.300So he wrote, biting the hand that feeds you, which is a fairly short kind of report, but it shows just how far removed these 265 academics are from reality.
00:08:28.320And don't they know that their incomes rely directly on taxes and the large majority of taxes that come from the oil and gas industry and from people who work in that industry?
00:08:43.120Now, you know, it's important to realize that the median salary, according to a survey of academics done a couple of years ago, median salary of a full professor is $160,161 a year.
00:08:57.980So, you know, these are pretty good salaries and even entry level, entry level academic staff, it's $94,000.
00:09:04.580So this is a big chunk of change that these people are getting.
00:09:09.620And yet, you know, if you look at the Alberta oil and gas industry, we contributed $240 billion in taxes between 2000 and 2018.
00:09:25.280So do you think any of that money paid these people?
00:09:29.720They're biting the hand that feeds them.
00:09:31.820So, you know, the other thing that's interesting about their letter, and that Robert also pointed out in his report, don't bite the hand that feeds you.
00:09:39.120He pointed out that they all signed the letter and also identified the university that they're with, which gives the public the impression that somehow the university might sanction this kind of talk.
00:09:52.820So, you know, it might be interesting for people in Canada who have a different view than these academics to drop a line to their local university and say what they think to the president.
00:10:05.380Yeah, we have to remember that the University of Alberta is the same university that gave an honorary degree to David Suzuki a couple years ago.
00:10:16.000I mean, so this is this is so embedded in academia.
00:10:20.560But they like, as you point out, they have that disconnect that the money to pay their salaries doesn't come from the money tree.
00:10:30.620And sometimes I think they need to be reminded of that.
00:10:33.980I think they need to be reminded of that every single day, you know, and and also that they couldn't sit in a comfy little office with the lights on and heat on and they couldn't have all these bursaries and scholarships.
00:10:46.980Many of the people who are their students are their whole reason for being wouldn't be there.
00:10:52.320They didn't have access to some of the scholarships and goodies that many of these companies have afforded over the years.
00:10:58.940So, yeah, I think they need a really big wake up call.
00:11:03.700Yeah, it's really easy to forget that when you flip the switch on in your office, in your comfy taxpayer funded office or when you're putting fuel in your car, in your expensive car,
00:11:15.660that there is somebody out there making a living with living with their back in their hands to make sure that that energy is, you know, a push of a button away for you.
00:11:26.960So, and it, it's pretty easy to forget when you work a white collar job, it's pretty easy to forget that blue collar jobs are making your life pretty darn easy.
00:11:39.880But one other thing I want to add to is these academics, excuse me, Robert noted that many of them have also been signatory on petitions related to say the Wet'suwet'en blockade, you know, no tech, reject tech.
00:11:58.600You know, if you look at Robert Lyman's previous report, Prosperity Foregone, $100 billion in projects have been blocked or rejected by the Canadian government in the past two years alone.
00:12:14.060If you go through that, Prosperity Foregone, you'll find that there are more hundreds of billions of dollars that have just vanished into the mist because of people like this, because of these activists who just don't have their head in reality.
00:12:31.920And actually, Robert wrote another very good report called Transition to Reality.
00:12:37.040It's on the Global Warming Policy Foundation site.
00:12:39.800It's a very good, very readable report that assesses some of the challenges of this, you know, very ideological dream of moving tomorrow to all renewables.
00:12:52.320And you'll see how, how complex it is and how impossible it is at this time, like renewable supply, maybe somewhere between two and 6% of the energy in the world.
00:13:02.020Everything else is fossil fuels or, you know, biomass or nuclear, but the majority is fossil fuels, I think about 84%.
00:13:12.980You know, what a different, different situation Canada would be in right now and Alberta for that matter, if that $100 billion worth of projects had gone forward.
00:13:26.600You know, when we see a near complete economic shutdown across the country, yet in Alberta, we've deemed our oil sands and fossil fuel workers essential workers, which they are.
00:13:40.200They work to keep people alive every day and ventilators running.
00:13:43.920What a different scenario we would see unfolding across the economy of Canada had that $100 billion worth of projects go forward.
00:13:52.840Shame on those people who blocked them and shame on the government for not allowing them to go forward.
00:13:59.660I just recently watched the CBC co-production, The Tipping Point, Age of the Oil Sands.
00:14:07.980And in it, there's a comment by Don Thompson, who was then the CEO of the Oil Sands Developers Group.
00:14:15.500And he noted that even with the 2008 recession, the oil sands created 450,000 jobs in Canada.
00:14:24.360And there's always, of course, a trickle-down effect from those jobs because if you have money because you're working in the oil sands and you also have money to buy a truck and your partner has money to get their hair done and, you know, somebody else can get their nails done and your kid can go to a certain kind of school or whatever, you can take a certain vacation.
00:14:43.620So all of that money recycles through society.
00:14:46.500Anyway, the other thing that Don said, and he's only in there for maybe five minutes, but he said that if we remained on track at the investment of that time, that we would have $1.7 trillion in investment in Canada just because of the oil sands.
00:15:08.040And that's all gone or pretty much all gone.
00:15:10.320So, and it began with the blockading of Keystone XL by those guys, and they're actually in that same video.
00:15:18.920You see National Resources Defense Council flying up to Fort Mac, and they're actually planning the tar sands campaign in Canada in a CBC documentary that was funded by you, the taxpayer, in every single way.
00:15:36.280It's astounding to see it now and know what we know.
00:16:15.060All these groups, and incidentally, of course, all now have their hands out for a bailout.
00:16:23.620It's hilarious to see these charities, these E&D charities that are now begging for money from the government when they already get millions of dollars every year from the government.
00:16:32.620Like, Environmental Defense, I think, is funded 30% by government grants.
00:16:36.540And it's already a tax-subsidized charity.
00:16:43.680No, that's great because it actually takes me to the next thing I wanted to ask you about.
00:16:47.260I wanted to ask you about this article from Parker Gallant.
00:16:51.280And he says that we are in the midst of an eco-charities panic because the funding is drying up for them because all of a sudden an actual real disaster is unfolding as opposed to the one they kept telling us was unfolding, and that's the one related to climate change.
00:17:10.920And, you know, there's a wage subsidy that's been announced by the federal government for charities to keep charitable organizations going during the economic shutdown.
00:17:25.620However, they're giving that money also to environmental charities.
00:17:30.160So, environmental charities who have already gotten their way, as it would seem, with a complete decarbonization of the economy as we speak, they're getting more money to continue to do the terrible things they're doing to the Canadian economy.
00:19:03.680I mean, the green movement and the environmental left, they're all being very upfront about what they want the coronavirus to do to the economy.
00:19:21.740And I'm not being – I don't mean to exaggerate.
00:19:27.480They really do see what's happening with the coronavirus as an opportunity to rewrite the economy so that it is decarbonized.
00:19:39.980And we can see that already – like, I constantly preface the fact that I'm not a conspiracy theorist by then offering my conspiracy theory.
00:19:51.520But when we see the fact that the federal government is basically bailing out everybody, even those people who don't need it, because you automatically qualify for this CERB payment if you apply for it.
00:20:06.080They'll claw it back come tax time, but you're getting it if you apply for it.
00:20:10.020But Bill Morneau promised some sort of relief for the oil and gas sector.
00:20:16.560We're coming up on three weeks now, and he said within hours or days when he said that.
00:20:22.640And it's three weeks now and nothing's happening, although they're proposing bailouts for the media, for the eco-charities.
00:20:47.900Now, if Alberta gets any help in the oil and gas sector, it looks like it's going to come from Donald Trump by sort of what he's been doing and what Jason Kenney's been doing to get the OPEC-plus nations to cut production.
00:21:04.800But that negotiation that we saw unfolding there with OPEC-plus, that should have come from the federal government, and it didn't.
00:21:11.920Our help is going to come from ourselves and from the Americans.
00:21:19.240It's never going to come from this federal government as long as Justin Trudeau is in power.
00:21:24.400Well, I would say, again, that the big problem, in my view, is the climate deal that Canada made with France that, again, nobody talks about.
00:21:34.220But it's all based on carbon markets and the promotion of carbon markets.
00:21:39.100And we've seen some items in the press that suggest that the bailout for the oil and gas industry would be reliant on climate gestures and related things.
00:21:50.260And what I've seen in the past is basically, you know, these institutional investors will say to an oil company, hey, we want you to be more green, so buy a wind farm, buy a solar farm.
00:22:02.180Well, you know, the company knows it's a waste of money and time, but what the heck, make the investors happy.
00:22:08.300So the carbon markets have collapsed in Europe, of course, because there's nothing happening.
00:22:14.100Nobody needs to buy emissions credits anymore.
00:22:17.440Yeah, so they're probably back down at the level that they were in the 2008 recession, where they went from about, I think they were 30 euros or so, a ton, and they're down to about seven now.
00:22:30.080I think they dropped to three back then.
00:22:34.780But, you know, those people holding those credits are quite anxious to cash them in somehow.
00:22:40.400And so I assume that because the renewables industry is dying in Europe, they'll try and pump it up over here because we are the next suckers in line in this Ponzi scheme.
00:22:50.640And we can't seem to get it through anybody's head that wind and solar are not the kind of energy production that can support even basic society.
00:23:01.500You would not want to be on a ventilator on solar power because when the sun goes down, you would die.
00:23:07.340You wouldn't want to be having surgery on wind power because in the middle of surgery, you might go kaput because all of your equipment would stop.
00:23:16.780People don't understand that these advanced medical procedures need high quality.
00:23:42.180Actually, you need coal, too, because you can't make any of the equipment like a CT scanner.
00:23:47.200You can't make that unless you have coal because you can't make metal.
00:23:51.240So, you know, we've got to re-educate the entire society because they're just so energy illiterate, especially these 265 academics.
00:24:01.260Yeah, it's strange, you know, in the midst of all of this, where we see that single-use plastics, one of my favorite things to talk about, are saving, like it is.
00:24:18.800But in the midst of all of this, the war on single-use plastics, for all intents and purposes, in practical ways, is over.
00:24:29.940However, we've seen these virtue-signaling municipalities saying, oh, no, no, no, no, no, do not bring your E. coli-infested reusable bag into our store anymore.
00:24:40.760Because not only will it give us E. coli and diarrhea, but probably the coronavirus.
00:24:46.960So please accept this beautiful, clean, hygienic single-use plastic bag.
00:24:51.040And then when you go to the hospitals and you see literally everything in medicine is single-use plastic, from, you know, the tubing, the bags, the syringes, everything is single-use plastic.
00:25:05.340And then it's wrapped in single-use plastic because that's how you keep things sterile.
00:25:10.240So, but instead of Justin Trudeau waking up to the idea like, hey, no, no, no, no, because single-use plastics are saving lives, maybe we shouldn't be listing them as a Schedule 1 toxin along with lead, mercury, and benzene, that they're promising to continue to do that.
00:25:30.560I just saw an article in Black Locks today that it's going to cost the taxpayer $8 billion to keep plastics out of landfills so that the liberals can meet this arbitrary goal of getting 90% of single-use plastics out of the landfills.
00:25:52.580I think we should be burning them and it'd be a lot cheaper.
00:25:55.440However, I mean, it's just like when you see all the evidence of one thing manifesting to prove you wrong, it seems as though the federal government just is ignoring it and still pursuing whatever thing they promised to do six months ago.
00:26:14.080Well, one thing that people should be aware of is that there's a great report on the Heartland Institute.
00:26:20.100It's written by Dr. Patrick Moore and Dr. Willie Soon, and it explores how Greenpeace uses these kinds of things as a campaign, as a fundraiser, basically.
00:26:33.660So they have such a massive organization now, and they're pretty cash-rich, apparently.
00:26:39.700But to keep those donations going, they have to plan these campaigns.
00:26:43.840So there's always a fear campaign, you know, oh, we're all going to die of climate change.
00:26:48.380And then after that starts to peter out, okay, now we're all going to die of plastic use.
00:26:53.400You know, we've got quite a few items on our YouTube channel with Dr. Patrick Moore and Dr. Soon, and they both talk about these issues in a couple of those presentations.
00:27:04.980So have a look at that and see how you're being misled, really being misled.
00:27:10.740And, of course, the media, you know, they love a good headline, too.
00:27:14.320So they catch on to this thing and go, oh, everybody's got plastic in their body.
00:27:21.060So, you know, of course, there are places in the world that are horribly polluted with plastic.
00:27:26.620And these are usually developing countries where they have no environmental regulations, no recycling, nothing.
00:27:32.860And there's also places like Calgary where we apparently have semi-trailers full of clamshell plastics that we're saving for the small price of $300,000 a year.
00:27:44.000And like you, I agree we could probably just burn them and generate electricity.
00:27:49.180I think there's a plant either – isn't there a plant in Swan Hills that's a toxic plant?
00:27:54.420And I think there's one in Edmonton, too, actually, in the north side of Edmonton, where you could just toast them up, have some power.
00:28:02.860Yeah, you know where else there's one?
00:28:05.260And I only know this because that's where we sent the beautiful ship of Filipino garbage, which was actually Canadian garbage that we sent to the Philippines.
00:28:14.120And then we had to ship it back, which is a very long journey for an environmentalist government to allow a bunch of garbage to do.
00:28:25.140I'm sure somewhere in between they could have incinerated it, but whatever.
00:28:29.460I think it's in Burnaby, of all places.
00:28:32.620Green Burnaby, the place where they don't want the Trans Mountain Pipeline.
00:28:36.800They have a plant that incinerates garbage and burns it for energy, and that's where the garbage went.
00:28:45.080It got brought all the way back to Canada to be incinerated for energy when if we had done that in the first place, we probably could have saved some carbon emissions if you care about those sorts of things.
00:28:58.480I care about just defending the Filipino people by shipping them on garbage.
00:29:03.960I don't care about the CO2 emissions, but if you do, maybe that wasn't the best choice.
00:29:08.580Yeah, well, I mean, we are in like the second biggest country in the world.
00:29:11.880Why are we sending containers full of garbage to tiny islands for them to take care of?
00:29:17.380Like, that's crazy, but there's lots of crazy things going on.
00:29:21.720Yeah, I do like your point of, you know, if more money, if you care about the cleanliness of the environment, why, and your plan is to just throw money at third world countries, then why aren't you throwing money at third world countries to create these incinerators, these high efficiency incinerators, to create energy?
00:29:48.900Because they need energy. Most of the third world is experiencing energy poverty, and they have energy sitting there stored as trash.
00:29:55.680Why aren't we helping them deal with the trash problem and the energy problem, and then thus making the environment around them a little bit less plastic infested?
00:30:05.160But we're not doing that. We're just, you know, giving the money to the United Nations and cycling it through the hands of a thousand bureaucrats before they do some sort of climate change pet project in the third world.
00:30:18.000And speaking of climate change pet projects, Robert Lyman just wrote another blog. I just posted it this morning. And it's about aviation. So, you know, what industry in the world has really been kicked in the guts by COVID-19? It's aviation, right? They're going to need a lot of help to recover. But what's coming? Climate change regulations.
00:30:44.000Well, this huge bundle of different kinds of taxes, regulations are supposed to use more biofuel. There's going to be a passenger duty tax depending on what distance you fly. The Corsair legislation. It's just ludicrous to think that people would even consider to go ahead with this at this time.
00:31:05.000So read his blog and it's called Mayday. That's the opening title. Anyway, read that blog post and see because I'm sure, you know, there's the whole vacation industry, tourism, aviation, they're all interconnected and they are actually the lifeblood of many of the countries, these smaller countries.
00:31:27.000Without that, those countries won't have a hope and heck of getting back on their feet. And without restarting this industry and giving them a fair chance to get going, they won't be able to survive, especially if we're piling all these stupid regulations.
00:31:43.860And what do we see now at Manaloa, where they measure the CO2, it continues to rise there, even though all the industry is shut down. So obviously, there's a really big disconnect between the CO2 generating sources and what's at risk in terms of human use of fossil fuels.
00:32:07.980It's not the existential threat. Certainly not at this point that people say it is.
00:32:13.940Yeah, I hope maybe the coronavirus, the one silver lining in all of this economic shutdown and death and illness is that people will have an actual concept of what a real emergency can do to your country, to your economy, to your family, to your freedom, and put into context all the climate change fear mongering that has happened.
00:32:40.040Maybe, maybe that's the one good thing that might come of this. I'm not confident, though, just based on how governments are continuing to react.
00:32:49.480And still, after all of this, treat climate change as though it's the real killer out there.
00:32:54.520Right. Well, you know, we saw Elizabeth May the other day going on about it to that effect.
00:33:00.820And honestly, I mean, these are people who've been flying all over the world to these climate conferences, and now they're upset because boo-hoo, you know, COP26 has been cancelled.
00:33:10.700Well, couldn't they do it like we're doing it right now? You know, there is Zoom.
00:33:14.740I mean, this is something actually that the Dutch government recommended back in 2013, that instead of having all these big festivals where people fly all over the world to meet and are huge hypocrites for doing so, why not have regional groups that work on climate and weather issues, post it on an online website where people can then cross-pollinate their information and not have these big wasteful events.
00:33:41.240Well, that obviously went over like a lead balloon because these people love flying around the world and telling everyone we're going to die from climate change.
00:33:49.400Look at me, I'm getting on a jet so I can tell you that you're going to die from climate change.
00:33:54.240Isn't it funny, though, how an actual emergency caused them to not get on their private jets and go to Glasgow for the UN Climate Change Conference that's coming up?
00:34:05.820Like, it was never the threat of climate change that prompted them to give up their private flights and their fancy elitist party.
00:34:21.060Now, Michelle, last time I talked to you, I think you were, you folks were still planning, but not quite sure about whether or not your event was going to go forward.
00:34:32.260Well, we hope to be able to reschedule it, but of course we're, you know, complying with the requirements of Alberta Health Services and we're just following along and seeing what's, you know, what's going to be on the agenda, whether society will reopen and whether we'll be able to have large gatherings or maybe it'll have to be put off for a year.
00:34:53.120We hope not, but we'll just have to see how things turn out.
00:34:57.720We, we were all, we were pretty much sold out too.
00:35:04.040It's terribly disappointing because I, I cannot say enough good things about the annual Friends of Science dinner buffet, plus the speakers, but also the dinner buffet.
00:35:16.320And interestingly, you know, it was going to be with Donna LaFramboise, who was going to talk about freedoms and how climate activists want your freedoms.
00:35:25.940And now we see with the COVID-19 chaos, all of our freedoms are being taken away, ostensibly for our health and for the good of society.
00:35:35.280We don't want the health system to collapse.
00:35:37.580We don't want more people to get sick or, God forbid, more people to die.
00:35:41.200So, these measures do seem to be having some constructive effects, but, but you see how easily people are then going one step further and saying, well, now we'll put the police on the street, now we'll arrest you.
00:35:54.680And now, you know, you can't play ball with your kid anymore because that was too close.
00:35:59.340So, you know, there's, it's very odd that we couldn't get the blockadia off the railway tracks.
00:36:08.380So, that killed our economy for a couple of months.
00:36:11.200But we can arrest people in the street because they left their house.
00:36:16.160So, you know, we got to be very careful of these freedoms.
00:36:19.720And that's what Donna was going to talk about.
00:36:21.760And she also has a great blog, which is Big Pick, the big picture.
00:36:27.520So, Donna LaFramboise is somebody to follow and note on these issues.
00:36:33.200Yeah, it's, it's, I pointed that out with my friend David Menzies earlier today.
00:36:39.280We were talking about a man who was ticketed in Toronto for rollerblading with his kids, the kids he lives with in his home, in a completely empty parking lot.
00:36:50.340And the police came, I assume because some busybody bothered to call the police and turn him in, and ticketed him some $800 for rollerblading with his kids.
00:37:00.280And these are the same, this is the same law enforcement that couldn't break up a blockade the way you just mentioned.
00:37:09.460I mean, it's, we're seeing the priorities of this government unfold right before our very eyes.
00:37:18.940Michelle, we're coming up on 34 minutes.
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00:39:33.500Well, I hope people do because you really do help break down these very complicated, complex issues in a way that arms the ordinary citizen with arguments that they can take out into the world.
00:39:46.700Michelle, I want to thank you so much for coming on the show.
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