Rebel News Podcast - Making sense of the Trans Mountain Pipeline approval during a Liberal “climate emergency”

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00:01:11.480 Kinder Morgan's Trans Mountain Pipeline project has been approved one more time, but the Liberals

00:01:16.420 also say we're in a climate emergency and they've instituted an oil tanker ban.

00:01:20.740 I think the Liberals are pushing and pulling to try to stave off the Conservatives in the

00:01:25.460 2019 federal election.

00:01:27.540 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're watching The Gunn Show.

00:01:30.280 How have these concerns environmentally changed your own behavior?

00:01:52.660 Okay, well, first of all, I've always used tap water. 0.96

00:01:56.660 I've always thought bottled water was sort of stupid, so that's a tough thing. 0.93

00:02:00.340 But if I could just respond to a little bit of what she says. 0.99

00:02:02.820 I come from a community that has been attacked over and over again because of the oil sands.

00:02:07.280 The word tar sands, which is used all the time in a derogatory way.

00:02:11.300 Dirty oil, blood oil.

00:02:12.920 And I watch a lot of these environmentalists not practice what they preach.

00:02:16.300 In other words, flying over the world.

00:02:18.000 One environmentalist that I know has been to Europe 13 times, and that's just Europe, and

00:02:22.700 bragging about how she's saving the world, but done absolutely nothing herself.

00:02:27.520 I'm very concerned.

00:02:28.680 I was actually watching about the Green New Deal, and I saw Ariel Durange, and she's one 0.99

00:02:33.400 of the people that helped write the Green New Deal, and she says that there's tons of

00:02:36.180 holes in it, and this is coming from somebody.

00:02:38.400 The Green New Deal terrifies me because there's all this fear. 1.00

00:02:41.260 And this war on fossil fuels, I think, is stupid. 1.00

00:02:45.280 It doesn't matter what type of energy you have. 0.99

00:02:47.360 Okay, but we are having a debate here, and I think you both made very good points about

00:02:53.820 the pipeline and about some of the policies that are in place.

00:02:57.980 But I do want to hear from you guys just about your daily lives because we have voters

00:03:02.840 out there.

00:03:03.400 You've got the tap water.

00:03:04.300 That was CBC completely underestimating my friend Robbie Picard from Oil Sand Strong.

00:03:11.300 They did it in real time by putting him on a Sunday panel with the CBC's experts on climate

00:03:17.160 change and Canadian oil and gas policy.

00:03:19.800 One of CBC's experts is a musician based in Toronto who started off the show by describing

00:03:25.260 herself as being the same age as the climate crisis, and who compassionately musician-splained

00:03:32.880 to us Albertans that the rest of the country, like her Torontonian cohorts, can just help 0.77

00:03:39.040 us get off the fossil fuels the way they have, I guess.

00:03:43.100 And the other fellow on the panel was a student in Halifax who looks like he probably needed

00:03:48.180 to do a load of laundry, and says that he tries to recycle because smarter environmentalists

00:03:54.340 than him told him to.

00:03:56.720 The whole interview is 11 minutes long.

00:03:59.200 It's on the CBC website if you want to see the whole thing, and I recommend that you

00:04:04.220 do.

00:04:04.980 It's sort of fun to watch Robbie Picard roll those two know-nothings up in a rug and toss

00:04:11.160 them in the ditch.

00:04:12.000 But if you are an empathetic person, you'll start to feel bad for them about halfway through

00:04:18.200 the interview.

00:04:19.100 That is, until you remember, like I did, how these two want all of us unemployed or working

00:04:24.540 on the wind farms of the future.

00:04:27.220 So that's a fun little bit, but there's a lot going on in energy politics in Canada

00:04:32.200 right now.

00:04:33.200 Jason Kenney has announced the War Room to debunk some of the misinformation floating

00:04:38.660 around out there about Canada's ethical oil and gas industry.

00:04:43.120 But Canada's Environment Minister, old yeller Catherine McKenna, has shrieked her way into 0.89

00:04:48.160 convincing the House of Commons that Canada is in some sort of climate emergency, and Justin

00:04:55.980 Trudeau has approved the Kinder Morgan Trans Mountain Pipeline Expansion Project one more 0.97

00:05:02.420 time, just in time to try to save his ass in advance of the next federal election. 0.87

00:05:08.160 So joining me today is the only knowledgeable person on that CBC Sunday panel, my friend Robbie 0.98

00:05:15.900 Picard, in an interview we recorded yesterday afternoon.

00:05:36.000 So joining me now to talk about all the new developments, good and bad, on the energy and

00:05:42.860 energy politics front is my friend Robbie Picard in Fort McMurray.

00:05:47.240 Hey Robbie, thanks for joining me.

00:05:49.000 Thanks for having me as always.

00:05:50.720 Now, I wanted to talk about something that was a little bit exciting for you personally and

00:05:56.180 me peripherally because I was excited for you, and that was that you introduced the Jason

00:06:02.520 Kenney Energy War Room.

00:06:04.640 Can you give us a brief synopsis of what that was like for you and what exactly the War Room

00:06:11.560 is supposed to do?

00:06:13.160 So it was a great honour to be asked to open for our premiere.

00:06:18.140 I quite enjoy doing it.

00:06:20.260 I wanted to be authentic and also direct.

00:06:25.600 I wanted to kind of echo the sentiment that's been going on in Fort McMurray and in my community

00:06:33.260 at the same time.

00:06:34.760 As far as what it is, I still don't know.

00:06:38.240 I'm not part of the War Room at this moment, and I don't know anything other than what I

00:06:43.980 experienced there.

00:06:45.300 And what I experienced there was a mass amount of people that were part of different organizations

00:06:51.100 that we all shared the common goal and the same frustration about what's been happening

00:06:55.440 to our energy sector.

00:06:56.900 And that was really nice to see.

00:07:00.080 And it wasn't, I mean, there was some corporate stuff there, but it was a lot of really grassroots

00:07:04.720 organizations like myself that have been fighting and fighting and fighting.

00:07:08.520 So considering I'm kind of like the OG in that, it felt good.

00:07:12.380 And we felt hope for the first time in a very long time.

00:07:15.800 It wasn't like, it wasn't a negative feeling.

00:07:19.160 It was like, wow, finally we can actually get somewhere in regards to this battle that we're

00:07:25.720 fighting.

00:07:28.020 Now, from what I understand, the Energy War Room, a lot of what they are going to do will

00:07:34.680 involve debunking some of the, I wouldn't even say they're common misconceptions, but the

00:07:40.760 more pervasive misconceptions that people who oppose pipelines and energy development hold,

00:07:48.380 you know, with regard to what happens on the ground in Fort McMurray and what happens when

00:07:53.380 you build a pipeline and what happens on a drilling rig.

00:07:56.260 I think it'll be a battleground of information to deal with some of the disinformation on the

00:08:05.220 other side.

00:08:05.680 I think this is good and long overdue.

00:08:08.680 But you got a lot of blowback for the tone you took when you announced Jason Kenney, and

00:08:15.780 I think it is completely undeserved.

00:08:18.880 So, yeah, I did.

00:08:22.120 I got a little bit of blowback because I held up a poster with Sappora Berman's face on it,

00:08:27.720 and it said, Sappora Berman, enemy of the oil sands.

00:08:31.640 But I was actually kind of thinking about that after, and Shadowing Magazine said that she

00:08:38.040 was the biggest enemy of oil.

00:08:40.640 So, I mean, like, this is nothing new for Sappora Berman to be called enemy of oil and gas.

00:08:45.240 I mean, that's kind of how she's made her substantial living over the past 15, how many

00:08:51.580 years?

00:08:52.600 So, no, I think...

00:08:53.900 Let me just interrupt you there.

00:08:54.940 I think she would probably describe herself as that.

00:08:57.720 Yeah, well, that's it.

00:08:59.180 It wasn't that much of a stretch.

00:09:00.560 I, you know, I...

00:09:04.080 My point of...

00:09:05.720 She's a public figure.

00:09:07.160 She was on the oil sands advisory committee.

00:09:09.220 And other than, I think, her and that Karen lady, they were very actively against the pipeline 0.59

00:09:18.360 while they were on the oil sands advisory committee.

00:09:21.320 And that, to me, you know, I know a lot of people on that committee, and I don't agree

00:09:27.080 with all of them, but you've never seen me attack them because, you know, they did their

00:09:32.080 job, and I think they did it with integrity.

00:09:34.340 I question Berman's integrity on that and many other issues.

00:09:38.000 Yeah, I mean, Sipporah Berman was sitting on the oil sands advisory group, you know, sitting

00:09:44.780 there to decide the fate of the oil sands, including an emissions cap that would essentially

00:09:49.940 act as leave-it-in-the-ground legislation while simultaneously organizing against Trans Mountain

00:09:58.140 on the ground in British Columbia.

00:09:59.680 So, she's being paid by Alberta and organizing against us in British Columbia. 1.00

00:10:04.480 And I think you're right to call her out.

00:10:06.200 I think part of the problem, or I shouldn't say problem, but I think some of the blowback

00:10:13.100 you got, and you didn't get blowback from normal people, anybody concerned with Alberta's

00:10:19.020 economy.

00:10:19.320 You got blowback from activists and activist journalist types.

00:10:23.420 I think some of that is because they made the connection between Berman sitting on the oil

00:10:31.820 sands advisory group and the fact that Rachel Notley hired her to sit on the oil sands advisory

00:10:37.060 group.

00:10:37.720 And they saw that as an attack on Rachel Notley, someone that a lot of these people are still

00:10:43.000 very loyal to.

00:10:44.040 So, I don't think it was about you.

00:10:45.220 You didn't say anything wrong.

00:10:46.140 You didn't do anything wrong.

00:10:47.220 What you did was absolutely the truth of the matter.

00:10:50.220 But I think those people who were upset for you making that point, it's because it really

00:10:59.420 had nothing to do with you.

00:11:00.360 I think it had a lot to do with the fact that Berman really was a proxy for Rachel Notley's

00:11:05.400 energy policy for four years.

00:11:06.780 So, what I find this kind of funny because there's people that, when Notley was premier,

00:11:15.740 I was very nonpartisan.

00:11:18.100 And I took a lot of heat on my pages.

00:11:20.880 When Notley did something that I thought was in support of oil sands or oil and gas, I shared

00:11:26.860 it.

00:11:27.420 And I still do.

00:11:28.680 So, my message to them is real simple, is that if you want to be angry at someone, be

00:11:33.300 angry at Sabora Berman.

00:11:34.460 I mean, she, in my opinion, betrayed them.

00:11:38.120 And if you wanted to play that argument, like, I mean, what did she, Notley asked for a few

00:11:44.160 small things from the environmentalists, like Mike Adima and Sabora Berman, and they didn't

00:11:49.920 give an inch. 0.80

00:11:51.140 And, you know, and everyone said, they'll never give an inch, they'll never give an inch,

00:11:54.220 there's no such thing as social license.

00:11:56.080 And Berman proved that to be accurate.

00:11:59.100 I mean, Notley put her in a position that she never would have got ever in the history of

00:12:03.360 Alberta, and she couldn't just let us have one pipeline. 1.00

00:12:07.300 So, that tells you something.

00:12:08.900 So, their anger is definitely misdirected.

00:12:11.080 And candidly, some of the, like, I mean, the way they, some of them were attacking me,

00:12:14.820 it blew me away.

00:12:15.680 Because when Notley was premier, they were praising me for saying the same thing.

00:12:20.100 I went after Sabora Berman for months.

00:12:23.220 I went after Sabora Berman while I was standing on the legislature with the NDP on my right

00:12:29.320 and the Conservatives on my left.

00:12:31.500 So, candidly, I mean, I'm not sure what their issue is, but I am getting tired of a lot of

00:12:37.680 people in Alberta who are against oil and gas, but somehow still make a fortune talking about it.

00:12:43.320 Is not the truth.

00:12:45.400 I wonder what Sabora Berman's speaking fees are these days. 1.00

00:12:49.960 Now, I wanted to ask you about some other energy news.

00:12:55.360 Kinder Morgan Trans Mountain Pipeline project has been approved one more time.

00:12:59.640 I think this is the second time.

00:13:01.220 I wonder if it'll take three times before there actually ends up a shovel in the ground.

00:13:05.340 Now, the Liberals say that they should be breaking ground this summer, but they said we should

00:13:13.520 be breaking ground a couple summers ago.

00:13:17.320 Give me your honest assessment.

00:13:19.600 Do you think this pipeline will get built under the Liberals, or was this re-announcement of

00:13:25.560 the Trans Mountain Pipeline approval just politicking in the lead up to an election when the Liberals

00:13:32.300 are behind in the polls?

00:13:33.660 Did I stomp you?

00:13:40.340 No, but I need to actually think about what I'm going to say, because I'm finding myself

00:13:47.420 in such an interesting position right now, because, look, we need this pipeline.

00:13:53.280 This is bigger than a temporary time in our political history, because politics will constantly

00:14:00.340 change.

00:14:00.820 This is a nation-building thing, and honestly, it's our last shot.

00:14:06.300 So if we don't get this pipeline, well, then you'll see a whole new Canada.

00:14:12.820 And from what I'm hearing from people that, business people here in Alberta that I know,

00:14:18.620 no one's happy.

00:14:20.440 And there's people talking about separating, there's people talking about joining the states.

00:14:26.800 And I hope, and I'm praying that we all put our differences aside and just get this pipeline

00:14:33.600 built.

00:14:34.480 It's twinning an existing pipeline that will benefit all of us.

00:14:38.100 And I think once the pipeline's built, it'll make our, I think, I think if once it actually

00:14:44.160 built and starts flowing oil, I think you'll see a lot of Canadians like, oh, that wasn't

00:14:49.700 a big deal.

00:14:50.360 And then you'll see commerce come back.

00:14:53.580 I can't, I mean, my activism has been very nonpartisan and not like, I'm not perfect at

00:15:00.120 it.

00:15:00.340 I mean, I can't stand Elizabeth May or the new NDP leader guy, and I'll go after them.

00:15:07.780 But for the most part, I've been very, very good at being nonpartisan.

00:15:11.020 And so I'm, I'm so, I, I'm just a pipeline advocate and I want to see this pipeline get

00:15:17.880 built and I'm willing to work with anyone.

00:15:19.460 So I hope that it was more than just for the votes.

00:15:24.640 I'm, I'm blown away that we don't, we don't, we can't see eye to eye on this, on this project.

00:15:29.840 So I'm hoping that it gets built and I'm hoping that the rest of Canada wakes up to

00:15:35.120 that.

00:15:37.240 Here's why I think it's just shameless politicking.

00:15:39.880 And I think it's really egregious that, um, the liberals, in my opinion, are selling

00:15:45.140 hundreds of thousands of people on false hope just for elections purposes.

00:15:51.540 Um, I guess it has to do with just a couple of days before they declare a climate emergency.

00:15:57.900 Um, and then a couple of days after, um, the founder of Equitair, so a tides funded, uh,

00:16:06.100 anti-oil sands lobbyist was, um, nominated as a liberal candidate in Quebec.

00:16:12.140 So, um, I think while there's a lot of talk happening, I think the liberals actions speak

00:16:18.080 a lot louder than their words.

00:16:20.080 And at the end of the day, I feel like this is probably just going to get tied up in court

00:16:24.200 again.

00:16:24.540 Um, at that end, the next thing I wanted to talk to you about was, uh, you know, the,

00:16:31.020 one of the reasons I don't think the liberals are all too serious about actually building,

00:16:34.160 uh, Trans Mountain is that then they also passed Bill C-69 and C-48.

00:16:40.100 So that's the tanker ban and basically turfing the NEB in favor of some sort of social justice 0.56

00:16:45.320 rules for pipelines.

00:16:50.460 Sorry, depressing.

00:16:51.640 I know.

00:16:52.140 I know.

00:16:52.800 So, um,

00:16:54.540 I'm hopeful of one small thing, and I've been thinking about this a lot, how to approach

00:16:59.720 it, um, what to do, what not to do, what to say.

00:17:03.120 I'm hoping that once the Trans Mountain pipeline gets built, that they will have a change of

00:17:10.040 heart and they'll understand that they need the revenue from that pipeline and they reverse

00:17:14.120 those two decisions.

00:17:15.640 I think, you know, if you look at the code access pipeline and I mean, like you want to

00:17:19.860 talk about plastic pollution, I mean, look at the sewer those environmentalists left over 0.99

00:17:23.520 there.

00:17:24.520 I mean, it was plastic garbage, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

00:17:28.700 And, but fast forward, the garbage has been cleaned up by oil workers and, um, and the

00:17:35.380 pipeline, it's, it's, it's beautiful.

00:17:37.580 It's flowing oil and they're making money.

00:17:39.960 And I would argue that pipelines have very low climate impact.

00:17:45.140 Technology is getting better all the time for less emissions.

00:17:49.640 Um, there is no green energy.

00:17:52.480 Every form of energy has a cost and a consequence from windows to solar, solar in particular.

00:17:58.460 Are they, I mean, all these environmentalists and human rights activists don't care about

00:18:03.340 little children that are mining earth metals, trying to build batteries for their cars and

00:18:08.760 stuff.

00:18:09.140 So, I mean, I really hope we collectively grow up.

00:18:13.280 And I did a, I did, um, I did a interview on CBC the other day and, um, I was just going

00:18:20.940 to ask you about that.

00:18:22.180 Oh God.

00:18:22.960 You know, it was an ax murdering and, um, it wasn't fair putting you on the panel with

00:18:29.040 those kids.

00:18:29.720 Anyways, go on.

00:18:30.380 Um, okay.

00:18:32.500 So my, what I learned from that though, and, um, I, I mean, I, I, um, yes, I was expecting,

00:18:38.720 I was expecting to go someone like support Berman and I, I didn't, and that's fine.

00:18:43.800 But what I, what I was blown away is like the young guy that I was talking to and I'm

00:18:48.640 going to blame our generation for something.

00:18:51.020 Um, so I'm not going to say millennials, but I'm going to say like, um, you know, I'm,

00:18:54.300 you know, I'm up there.

00:18:55.720 So 20 years younger than me, uh, I'm 41 years old.

00:18:59.000 So 20 years younger than me and, and, and the people that my age had kids kind of in

00:19:03.720 their, their younger time, they, we really screwed up our kids in a lot of ways because

00:19:08.500 when he said like, well, you know, I'm not doing enough and I need to do more.

00:19:14.800 And I'm thinking of giving up bottled water.

00:19:17.380 It made me really think like, you don't know what it's like to go.

00:19:21.600 Like you actually think going to Costco and buying a case of water is normal.

00:19:24.960 And we raised that our kids this way, like that.

00:19:29.120 There was no, like, I mean, bottled water, I think you were telling me this too, or something

00:19:33.520 that was for rich people.

00:19:35.180 You know what I mean?

00:19:36.280 And I, I don't drink bottled water often.

00:19:38.380 I'm not going to say like, I'm at an event.

00:19:39.720 I don't, but I don't buy it.

00:19:40.760 I drink tap water with a lot of lemon.

00:19:42.440 I am guilty of like, I like bubble water.

00:19:45.460 So like, I will buy like, um, you know, Perrier or whatever.

00:19:48.980 But as a rule, I don't buy heaps of bottled water.

00:19:51.980 To me, that is such a waste.

00:19:53.320 You can filter it.

00:19:54.160 You can put a lemon in it and it comes from the same source.

00:19:57.100 But we have these, this generation now that they're kind of clueless about everything.

00:20:02.360 They think that they don't understand how food comes.

00:20:05.300 They don't understand there's an impact to everything.

00:20:07.900 So like they have this notion that they can somehow fix all the problems by boycotting this

00:20:14.400 and boycotting that.

00:20:15.240 But when it comes to the things about survival, like steel and you need plastic, no matter

00:20:20.920 what, plastic is never going to go away.

00:20:24.380 And I would argue the plastic in the, in the ocean, it's not from us.

00:20:28.640 I mean, I just did, I've been doing all these videos on pipeline videos because they're so

00:20:31.720 scary.

00:20:32.440 And I go to these pipelines and the other day I was at a pipeline and I found one piece

00:20:36.140 of plastic, one.

00:20:37.680 And I was even scared to pan.

00:20:38.980 Oh no.

00:20:39.460 And you go to these other countries that don't have fossil fuels, don't have natural gas,

00:20:43.920 don't have a stable energy source from fossil fuels.

00:20:47.340 And the garbage is pouring into their waterways.

00:20:51.000 So they're not, this, this plastic problem is not, I mean, I'm not saying that we don't

00:20:56.280 contribute to it, but it's so easy to solve by people changing their behavior.

00:21:00.080 And I'm, I really think we, like, if we don't all grow up soon and learn that we have to

00:21:07.960 figure out how to work together, we're going to destroy what we have.

00:21:12.160 And society right now is pretty good.

00:21:15.060 It's pretty good life that we live.

00:21:17.560 All of us, as bad as we think we have that kid at Halifax University.

00:21:21.740 I mean, he's, his biggest scare in life is like, oh, do I drink bottled water or do I

00:21:28.040 have to go for tap water?

00:21:29.460 I mean, the fact that that's a problem.

00:21:31.820 I mean, there's countries that don't have any access to clean water at all.

00:21:37.880 There's countries that have to have bottled water to survive because there's so much pollution

00:21:42.340 because they don't have proper sewage. 0.80

00:21:44.600 I mean, I was just reading too about like, if you throw a little bit of sewage in the

00:21:50.320 ocean, it's not the end of the world.

00:21:52.460 But Victoria, they don't, I don't think they have a water filtration system and they dump

00:21:57.060 all of their raw sewage in the ocean over and over again. 1.00

00:22:01.640 That is a massive amount of impact of all kinds of disease like birth control and shit 0.99

00:22:08.080 and all the other stuff that goes in there.

00:22:10.340 And we have potential to really solve each other's problems if we work together and we're

00:22:15.460 fighting over something that really doesn't make a difference.

00:22:18.100 You could shut off Canada's oil and gas tomorrow and it would make no dent, no dent in what happens

00:22:25.080 to the rest of the world because China and India and the United States' emissions are

00:22:28.980 so much more than ours.

00:22:30.920 But what it would do is to destroy our economy.

00:22:35.100 It'll destroy our democracy.

00:22:37.240 And yes, it's really great when governments are running deficits and they temporarily boost

00:22:40.700 the economies, but eventually that catches up.

00:22:43.040 So this generation that doesn't understand that water comes out of a tap is going to really 0.96

00:22:48.560 pay a price if we don't treat all of our energy with some urgency and importance that it deserves.

00:22:57.360 Sorry.

00:22:58.260 No, that's great.

00:22:59.920 Yeah.

00:23:00.720 Going back to that comically, I mean, it was, the panel was comical for sure.

00:23:08.720 At one point though, when I was watching that panel that you were on, on the CBC, I did

00:23:12.920 have to stop it because I felt like it was going too poorly for the people that were on

00:23:20.180 the panel with you.

00:23:21.040 I felt a little bad.

00:23:23.100 But then I remembered that they want to put my family out of work, your family out of work.

00:23:28.480 They want to shutter Fort McMurray.

00:23:30.320 And then I didn't feel so bad.

00:23:31.640 But I mean, they, these young, I mean, it really is the younger generation, but they

00:23:36.400 have been led astray by our generation that, I mean, they hear things like the Green New 0.60

00:23:44.540 Deal and immediately adopt it as a good idea because it has a good title.

00:23:51.500 But as you evidenced in that panel discussion that you did with the CBC, a lot of these people

00:23:57.500 have never even read it.

00:23:59.340 And I think that's one of the great things about our side of the pipeline debate is, look,

00:24:05.160 we're reading our material.

00:24:07.060 We're reading the facts.

00:24:08.800 We're reading their stuff too.

00:24:11.280 And they aren't really reading anything.

00:24:14.220 Well, you know, and that, that surprised me because I wanted to delve into that because

00:24:18.520 I've been, I've been, I've been studying the Green New Deal and I watch all of their Facebook 1.00

00:24:23.480 lives that they do.

00:24:24.500 And there's so many holes in it.

00:24:26.380 They're infighting amongst each other.

00:24:28.240 It's based on this, based on this system that they don't agree on.

00:24:33.160 And, um, it's full of holes and flaws.

00:24:35.980 And one guy's like, you know what?

00:24:37.440 I only want to work three days a week.

00:24:39.040 I don't want to have an overproductive lifestyle.

00:24:41.520 And that's why I support the Green New Deal. 0.91

00:24:43.520 And you know what?

00:24:44.680 Hats off to you, buddy.

00:24:45.660 If you, if you like, and I'm not totally against that.

00:24:48.280 If you want to find a cheap way to live.

00:24:49.780 Yeah.

00:24:50.640 If you want to find a cheap way to live and you don't need to hustle, like I have to

00:24:54.440 hustle.

00:24:55.000 I work every day.

00:24:56.860 When I take days off, I burn, it's when I burn out and I literally can't move.

00:25:00.900 That happens.

00:25:01.760 So that's my choice.

00:25:03.220 Like, you know what I mean?

00:25:04.340 Like, and that's what I love about our society.

00:25:06.580 Like, I mean, realistically, if you don't want to work a whole time, you really don't

00:25:09.320 have to.

00:25:10.160 And if you want to work a lot, you can have a lot.

00:25:12.860 And what, what, what it really is, it's not, I don't think it has anything to do about

00:25:16.920 climate change.

00:25:17.800 It has to, it's this way to push this bizarre type of socialism.

00:25:22.260 And I don't think people understand what that means.

00:25:24.180 Like they think everyone's going to have free everything for a bit.

00:25:27.160 Sure.

00:25:27.840 But what happens is, is the smarter people, um, and, and not even smarter people that are

00:25:32.680 more privileged, like trust fund babies, people that get put in these positions.

00:25:36.340 And so on, they'll end up being in control and they live really good lives.

00:25:41.520 And everyone else sort of becomes their worker bee.

00:25:43.660 And it's a trap.

00:25:45.440 And so like, I mean, the green new deal to me is not about tons and tons of solar panels,

00:25:49.700 but boring, a ton of money to reconfigure the whole country for socialism.

00:25:53.900 And, and if you look at OA, um, AOC and I mean, and I'll give her some credit.

00:25:58.720 She's got some good sound bites, but if you, if you watch a whole, if you watch a whole

00:26:03.480 interview with her, I think she'll be a really good politician when she grows up 10 or 15 0.99

00:26:08.900 years from now, but I don't think she really knows very much about anything.

00:26:14.040 And it's scary to me that that's the role models.

00:26:17.560 Cause like, I don't remember, like when I was younger, I always try to find role models

00:26:20.920 that are far more intelligent than me.

00:26:22.540 Not some glorified person that has very little experience.

00:26:30.120 And I'm not going to knock her experience as a cocktail waitress or a bartender.

00:26:33.940 Yes, you can be a cocktail waitress or a bartender and become prime minister or a part-time substitute

00:26:40.300 teacher.

00:26:41.140 It's been done, but that is that the right choice?

00:26:46.380 Like, let's, let's compare Justin Trudeau to Mark Garneau.

00:26:49.840 I met both of them.

00:26:51.580 Okay.

00:26:52.340 Mark Garneau, educated astronaut experience.

00:26:56.360 Wealth, Trudeau wealth, trust fund, good looking, famous name. 0.79

00:27:01.940 Now, if it boiled right down to figuring out what, like, I mean, it's, it sucks because

00:27:07.200 dynamic people tend to get elected.

00:27:09.480 Like, I mean, Stephen Harper, one of the greatest prime ministers in my lifetime.

00:27:13.780 I also think John Kretchen was a great prime minister and I like Paul Martin.

00:27:17.020 And it's too bad the infighting of Paul Martin and John Kretchen destroyed them.

00:27:20.420 But that being said, Stephen Harper, I mean, he's, he's not, even his new Prager videos,

00:27:25.500 I mean, they're great, but he's, he lacks a lot of charisma.

00:27:28.420 You know what I mean?

00:27:29.340 But what's up here?

00:27:30.440 What's the mind that determines how policy should work for everybody that understands

00:27:36.540 that it, that, you know, an emotional intelligence is great, but that doesn't build the systems

00:27:41.920 that we require for society to be equal and, and, um, to, to have prosperity for everybody.

00:27:49.340 So these kids that looking at the screen, you know, they really got to like, they got to

00:27:54.020 step back a little bit and realize that this is not the answer.

00:27:57.840 Second of all, you know, this so-called green energy, I mean, it's destroying a lot of countries.

00:28:03.720 A lot of countries are going back to coal.

00:28:06.060 Like there's a lot, it's not really working overall.

00:28:09.200 It works in some situations, but don't rip apart.

00:28:13.240 We, we, we are honestly, we, we, if we actually grew up in Canada and I, and I'm kind of, I

00:28:20.120 don't think we're very, we have a lot of great ideas and we're, and we're more polite

00:28:24.300 than the States, but if we could grow up, we're with 36 million people, the most resources,

00:28:29.920 second largest country in the world with landmass.

00:28:32.520 And for the most part, we all get along.

00:28:35.340 If we could just say, Hey, you know what?

00:28:37.140 There's enough for everybody.

00:28:38.900 Let's stop fighting all the time and build an amazing country.

00:28:43.140 Well, we'd have more money than anyone else, but we just don't, I don't know what it is.

00:28:48.820 Um, sorry, in regards to the war room, I do think we need a public inquiry.

00:28:55.620 So, sorry, what?

00:28:59.440 No, no, no.

00:28:59.920 I think that's great.

00:29:00.740 Um, I do think we do, we need an examination into exactly what sorts of foreign monies have

00:29:08.580 been funneled, um, into Canada and then essentially used to target Alberta.

00:29:16.060 Um, no one has, I won't, I don't want to say no one, um, because under the, uh, Harper conservatives,

00:29:23.460 they did try to examine these charities, but Justin Trudeau squashed all those audits.

00:29:30.040 Um, so it's nice to see that, um, if, if indeed the war room is interested in looking at this,

00:29:36.920 that they can sort of circumvent, um, the feds on this and do our own inquiries and investigations

00:29:43.320 and see if we can find exactly where that money's coming from and why.

00:29:47.940 Yeah.

00:29:48.580 So like, um, uh, my issue, like I, we all know that what's been done, we know what happened

00:29:57.300 with the Rockefeller foundation.

00:29:59.400 And to me, because they're arguing about the amount of money that was spent recently and

00:30:03.940 they're saying, well, they only spent a million last year.

00:30:05.900 Um, I don't care if they spent 500 million or a million.

00:30:10.640 My point is, is they came up with a very destructive plan, uh, called the campaign against the tar

00:30:16.020 sands, which basically worked.

00:30:19.240 So we know that now, um, it's really pathetic that it took us so many years to respond to

00:30:26.200 it.

00:30:26.400 Um, so I just want to know, like it, even, even, even if it doesn't stop, at least we

00:30:33.020 know what we're up against and that inquiry will bring all of that up.

00:30:37.340 So then you'll know, and you'll question, well, wait a minute, this foundation is giving

00:30:41.080 this person this much money.

00:30:42.300 And she's off to New York again to talk about financing.

00:30:46.040 I mean, one of the sad things is that I exposed so much of them from their Facebook and social

00:30:51.520 medias that they're posting less now, but that's the arrogance that we were dealing

00:30:55.480 with, you know what I mean?

00:30:56.760 Like it was, it was insane.

00:30:58.420 Like the amount, like I've never seen anything like it.

00:31:01.200 It's like they fly off to, you know, well, we're, we're fighting climate change in Paris.

00:31:05.780 Well, now we're in Australia.

00:31:07.120 Oh, we're in Athens.

00:31:09.040 Oh boy.

00:31:09.800 They don't, they have bicycles here.

00:31:11.220 Okay.

00:31:11.320 Well, you flew on a plane to get there, the cat island, give your head a shake.

00:31:14.860 You're not a climate warrior.

00:31:16.940 You're an Instagram, Instagram diva.

00:31:19.860 Anyway, I'm trying to be more politically correct.

00:31:22.520 That being said, it's like, um, we shouldn't, if it's, if we can't stop it, then at least

00:31:30.720 we should know about it.

00:31:32.460 You know, um, I mean, support Berman being on the oil sentence advisory committee, be kind

00:31:37.660 of like me being captain of the rainbow warrior.

00:31:41.420 Although that would be sort of appropriate, you know, cause I'm gay and it says rainbow 0.98

00:31:45.480 on it. 0.95

00:31:46.080 So is that like a big gay cruise ship? 0.96

00:31:48.120 I wonder Robbie, um, how can people support you? 0.93

00:31:55.320 Because you do a lot of this activism that you do at oil sand strong out of your own pocket.

00:32:00.860 Um, what are some of the ways that people can find you, support you, maybe get one of

00:32:05.380 those super cool t-shirts, um, to help you do the work that you do on behalf of families

00:32:11.120 like mine and hundreds of thousands of other Canadian families.

00:32:14.160 So go to oil sand strong.com and order some shirts, order lots of shirts too.

00:32:19.060 Cause when you order one shirt for 20 bucks, it ends up costing more to ship it.

00:32:22.400 So we're like six shirts and then, um, and then watch what I'm doing on Facebook.

00:32:27.100 We've got, I'm going to be doing a new web series, uh, daily where I come on and I, I

00:32:32.120 was calling it the oil sand strong war room, but now I think I'm going to change it.

00:32:35.940 Uh, but I, I, I'm working on that.

00:32:37.820 I think I'm going to start that next week.

00:32:39.160 And, um, you just, uh, yeah, just follow, follow, follow what we do or whatever.

00:32:44.720 And, um, but right now it's t-shirt sales.

00:32:46.960 I might be doing like a Patreon or something in the near future.

00:32:50.340 It's hard.

00:32:50.980 Cause like I, I run a marketing company too.

00:32:52.820 So I'm trying to, you know, trying to find everything, find, find ways to make it all

00:32:57.020 happen.

00:32:57.320 But I am doing the best I can with what I have.

00:33:00.220 Um, and going forward, if anything else to share our posts and, and understand too, that

00:33:05.940 my page has to be somewhat nonpartisan.

00:33:08.140 So when I post something that the other side does, don't, you know, don't, don't, uh,

00:33:12.500 don't lynch me and just take it, be a little bit paid, be a little understanding that like

00:33:16.680 my main focus is to get the pipeline built and I, and I, and I do all, all I can to get

00:33:22.200 the message out.

00:33:23.880 Great, Robbie.

00:33:24.560 Thank you so much for being generous with your time, uh, today.

00:33:28.340 And thank you for, like I said, going out there and just waging war for pipelines on behalf

00:33:34.080 of families like mine.

00:33:35.360 Um, because you do take a lot of heat for it.

00:33:38.120 Um, and I don't just, I don't think you deserve a lot of the hate that you get.

00:33:42.920 Um, and, uh, you, you know, you really do step into the fire every single day.

00:33:47.860 So Robbie, thank you so much.

00:33:49.800 Um, we'll, uh, have you back on the show as always.

00:33:52.640 You're one of my favorite people on the entire face of the earth.

00:33:55.520 Oh, thank you very much for having me on your show.

00:33:57.220 Take care.

00:33:57.580 Bye-bye.

00:33:57.820 Thanks, Robbie.

00:34:10.720 Now, I know some people might get a little uptight about Robbie going on the CBC.

00:34:15.800 We know how biased the CBC is, but I think Robbie should do CBC appearances every time

00:34:21.060 they contact him.

00:34:22.500 He's out there fighting for us, but it's also important that he doesn't preach to the

00:34:26.300 choir or try to waste his energy converting the already converted.

00:34:31.640 I like that he gets inside the CBC echo chamber and shakes it up.

00:34:36.080 And he shows everybody just how knowledgeable and smart and thoughtful our side of the oil

00:34:41.840 and gas argument really is.

00:34:43.260 I think Robbie's a great ambassador for Alberta, even if it's on the CBC.

00:34:48.340 Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight.

00:34:50.260 Thank you so much for tuning in.

00:34:51.960 I'll see everybody back here at the same time in the same place next week.

00:34:56.100 And remember, don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.

00:35:20.400 Can, how strongly, how are we doing?

00:35:28.860 Well, all of this is an example.

00:35:33.780 The time we have got.

00:35:36.020 We are looking for our newest destination, and we need to be the best destination, and we

00:35:37.920 want to introduce ourselves.

00:35:40.160 We want to make scientific safer dinero.

00:35:41.820 This doesn't serveORT. 0.90

00:35:42.580 I don't know what to do.

00:35:43.180 I think there's some kind of opportunity, but indeed, when we got to выход, to then we

00:35:45.320 something new to move forward and see how we'll see our latest campaign.

Rebel News Podcast - June 27, 2019

Making sense of the Trans Mountain Pipeline approval during a Liberal “climate emergency”

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