Rebel News Podcast - MENZIES： The Finale Episode of Rebel Roundup ft. Sheila Gunn Reid & Tamara Ugolini

00:00:00.000 Welcome to Rebel Roundup, ladies and gentlemen, and the rest of you, in which we look back at

00:00:04.620 some of the very best commentaries of the week by your favorite rebels. I'm your host, David

00:00:09.480 Menzies. So the Ontario College of Psychologists wants to reprogram Dr. Jordan Peterson, his

00:00:17.640 alleged crime. Well, apparently Dr. Peterson espouses the wrong political viewpoints. Sheila

00:00:24.420 Gunn-Reed has all the disturbing details. Remember when the educrats running public schools were

00:00:30.920 concerned with, oh, you know, kids learning stuff like reading, writing, and arithmetic? So why is

00:00:37.720 it that these uber-woke educrats are now seemingly obsessed with the sexual orientation and sexual 0.95

00:00:45.200 identity of young children? Tamara Ugolini will try to make sense of it all. And letters, we get your

00:00:52.180 letters. We get your letters every minute of every day. And you had plenty to say about my monologue

00:00:56.960 regarding Erin O'Toole's recent essay denouncing those F. Trudeau flags. Yeah, that's right. The

00:01:03.680 former leader of the Conservative Party of Canada is more concerned about the hurt feelings of

00:01:10.800 Prime Minister Blackface McGroper rather than those Canadians who are having their rights and freedoms

00:01:17.960 trampled by the Justin Trudeau Liberals. Which kind of explains why O'Toole is the former rather than

00:01:25.360 the current leader of the Conservatives, doesn't it? Those are your rebels now. Let's round them up.

00:01:30.740 The College of Psychologists' job is to make sure that psychologists practice psychology in an

00:01:47.520 ethical way. For example, if a psychologist were to take advantage of a patient. But they've been

00:01:52.960 hijacked by activists, by people making complaints against Dr. Peterson, not for anything Peterson's done

00:01:59.840 to them as patients because none of them are patients. The complaints are about Dr. Peterson's

00:02:05.280 political comments on Twitter. Seriously, let's go through some of the offending tweets.

00:02:12.040 When one Twitter user claimed that the planet was overpopulated by human beings, Jordan Peterson

00:02:21.260 tweeted, you're free to leave at any point. When the Ottawa Police Chief Steve Bell threatened

00:02:28.940 parents participating in the Freedom Convoy with having their children removed from the area prior to

00:02:36.320 the start of any police action. Dr. Peterson tweeted, children removed? How exactly? Why exactly? By whom

00:02:44.900 exactly? Sent where exactly? And for how long exactly? Think this through Canadians. This is a bad idea. 0.96

00:02:53.120 In response to a New York Post article about Sports Illustrated putting an arguably obese model on their

00:03:04.560 cover, Jordan Peterson tweeted, sorry, not beautiful. And no amount of authoritarian tolerance is going to

00:03:12.000 change that. What on earth does the College of Psychologists have to do with Peterson debating public

00:03:18.040 political issues of the day? Now, you can agree or disagree with any of Peterson's political views,

00:03:23.840 but where does a group of censors with the power to end someone's career get off telling them what

00:03:29.900 they can and can't say about non-psychology things? Of course, they would never dare to do this to a

00:03:36.900 left-wing psychologist. And of course, we wouldn't want them to do that either. Not only are they censoring

00:03:43.000 Dr. Peterson, or at least they're trying, they've demanded that he submit to a coaching, a re-education

00:03:48.760 about what to say in public politically. Some unknown censor now gets to tell a leading public

00:03:53.840 intellectual what he can and can't say. And if he doesn't comply, he'll be banned from treating

00:03:58.960 patients. That's just wrong. So pick up the phone and call this group, the College of Psychologists of

00:04:05.300 Ontario at 416-961-8817. Now remember, please do not be mean. The person who answers the phone

00:04:13.180 is likely just the receptionist and not the people demanding Peterson be censored. Be firm, but please

00:04:20.300 be polite. Let them know that this is a witch hunt against Canadian values like freedom of speech and

00:04:26.040 the right for people to hold a variety of opinions, including opinions that the establishment doesn't

00:04:32.180 like. That's really the whole point of free speech, isn't it? To be able to criticize power, not just

00:04:39.060 obey it. Tell these people to drop their case against Jordan Peterson. That number again is 416-961-8817

00:04:47.300 or go to SavePeterson.com where you can see it again. At SavePeterson.com, we'll also have a one-click

00:04:53.540 button that you can press to send an email to every single one of the 19 people on that censorship

00:04:59.520 committee so you can put your disagreement to them in writing too. Dr. Jordan Peterson has changed

00:05:06.760 lives. He's even saved lives. His books and lectures and videos have inspired millions of people,

00:05:14.440 especially young men looking for meaning in life. That's why the left hates him and that's why they're

00:05:20.520 trying to censor him now. It has nothing to do with how he treats patients and everything to do with

00:05:27.560 his politics. Well, there you have it, folks, like something plucked right out of George Orwell's

00:05:32.620 1984. Dr. Jordan Peterson is being called upon the carpet by the quacks who comprise the Ontario 0.97

00:05:41.180 College of Psychologists, and the crime has absolutely nothing to do with any misconduct

00:05:47.520 allegations with current or former patients. Rather, some snowflakes on social media took offense

00:05:54.400 to Dr. Peterson's political viewpoints and the uber-woke docs who make up the Ontario College of

00:06:01.580 Psychologists. While they believe an investigation is warranted, you can't make up this kind of

00:06:08.560 craziness, folks. And joining me now for more on this very disturbing issue vis-a-vis freedom of speech

00:06:15.460 is our chief reporter, Sheila Gunn-Reed. How are you doing there, Sheila?

00:06:20.140 I'm great, David. Thanks for having me on the show.

00:06:21.860 It's always a pleasure. Sheila, we're not even five days into 2023, and here we are with planet

00:06:29.300 Earth still self-identifying as clown world. And really, this story takes the cake, doesn't it?

00:06:36.000 The very idea that the Ontario College of Psychologists is suggesting that one of its members

00:06:43.640 must think in a particular political fashion or else. Surely, this can't be legal even in Justin

00:06:52.860 Trudeau's Canada, Sheila. Well, it's even worse than that because these are based on complaints of

00:06:58.100 people who are not patients of Dr. Jordan Peterson. So the college is supposed to protect patients

00:07:04.120 from bad doctors while they practice. But it's not designed to protect non-patients from the thoughts

00:07:13.520 and musings of doctors they've never seen. But this is where we're at. We've got 19 people in this

00:07:20.100 censorship panel, the re-education panel of Jordan Peterson, that are going to submit him to some sort of

00:07:29.120 examination of his public statements that don't affect anybody that he was treating. That's the

00:07:36.240 very scary part here, is that these are just internet censorship busybodies. And there are no

00:07:44.700 complaints, as far as I can tell, from his own patients involved in any of this.

00:07:48.760 Yeah. And Sheila, I mean, it's deja vu all over again. I mean, the way Jordan Peterson came to

00:07:55.000 prominence, we go back, I believe it was some six years ago, University of Toronto, where he took a

00:08:01.000 stand against compelled speech. He was, they were trying to force him to call various trans people

00:08:07.880 z, zur, here, higher, all those phony baloney pronouns. And he said, no, I'm not putting up with

00:08:15.000 this nonsense. He didn't bend the knee then. I don't see him bending the knee now.

00:08:20.540 No. How did these censors think this was going to end? This is, as you say, Jordan Peterson.

00:08:27.680 He's enormous. And his platform, he rose to prominence. I mean, he's always been a good

00:08:33.820 author and a good speaker and a good professor and a good doctor, for as best as I can tell.

00:08:42.360 But he rose to prominence, both in Canada and internationally, speaking out against compelled

00:08:47.760 speech. He spoke at Senate hearings in the House of Commons in 2017 against compelled speech

00:08:54.720 legislation, forcing people to use pronouns of other people under threat of hate crimes charges,

00:09:02.320 basically. He spoke out against that. How did these gulaggers think this was going to turn out for 1.00

00:09:09.940 them if once they decided they were going to come for Jordan Peterson? The man, I think,

00:09:15.220 is the most preeminent speaker in the Anglosphere. I know in some places and during some periods,

00:09:21.400 his books are outsold only by the Bible. So, you know, when you come for the big dog,

00:09:27.740 you better have something better than hurt feelings. But as best as I can tell, that's all these people

00:09:31.680 have. And Sheila, here's what the crux of the matter is, at least for me. What does politics

00:09:40.100 have to do with the practice of psychology? What I'm getting at is that Jordan Peterson could be a

00:09:46.800 Marxist. Jordan Peterson could be a libertarian. That's besides the point. You judge him on his

00:09:54.320 practice of psychology. I don't know of any complaints that he's received pertaining to the

00:10:00.160 practice of psychology. So why does this body of psychologists, why do they find it so important

00:10:08.180 to discipline this man for tweeting out Pierre Polyev quotes and criticizing Justin Trudeau?

00:10:18.300 To me, it has no relevance for the matter at hand. Right. And we wouldn't want this to happen to a

00:10:24.460 Marxist doctor. Now, I wouldn't go to a Marxist doctor for treatment. Probably not. But that's

00:10:31.340 the choice of the patient. Right. And if I had complaints against a Marxist doctor, it probably 0.68

00:10:36.460 wouldn't be for their Marxist ideology. It would be for other things. We don't want Marxist doctors

00:10:43.420 subjected to reeducation either. This is like what happens here is between a doctor and a patient.

00:10:49.660 There are no patients complaining in all of this. But we've seen a lot of this happen during the

00:10:55.060 course, especially of the pandemic. And that's a hypocrisy I'll get to in a second. These doctors

00:10:59.860 organizations, as I said, they were initially there to protect patients from bad doctors. So there were

00:11:06.320 sort of standards, but also to protect doctors from a government overreach. Right. Like they were

00:11:12.980 organizations where, you know, there were standards in place and it was kind of at some,

00:11:17.640 sometimes a restraining order from the government to protect the independence of the doctors.

00:11:21.960 But right now we've seen that these organizations, they have really no interest in what's good for

00:11:28.720 the patients. In fact, they are likely to censor doctors who are advocating for their patients. And

00:11:33.720 we've seen that over the course of the pandemic, doctors who thought differently about COVID were

00:11:38.200 censored, had their license threatened. And now doctors and psychologists who think differently

00:11:45.380 about COVID, lockdowns, politics, now they're being censored. So these organizations, they have gone

00:11:53.520 so far from their original intent, where now they're just the enforcement, the medical enforcement arm

00:11:59.280 of the Liberal Party of Canada.

00:12:01.660 Well, and that is truly the scary thing, Sheila. How far does this rot start to spread? Medical doctors,

00:12:10.200 lawyers, lawyers, engineers, you know, all those governing bodies, are they going to increasingly

00:12:16.060 start to demand that politically you have to think a certain way or you're out or you have to agree to

00:12:24.200 be re-educated? This is the stuff of communist regimes, is it not, Sheila?

00:12:29.480 Yeah, of course it is. And, you know, where are the complaints against the psychologists who disregarded

00:12:35.060 the psychological effects of lockdown? And we're out on Twitter advocating for lockdowns,

00:12:41.840 knowing the psychological harm it would cause to, you know, vulnerable people, children. Where are the

00:12:47.900 speech pathologists who advocated for lockdowns, even though they knew in their hearts that it was

00:12:53.860 damaging to young children? There are no real complaints against those people, are there? It is

00:12:58.260 just political complaints against doctors who think differently, not doctors who advocated for things

00:13:05.880 that they probably knew full well would harm society. Sheila, one last question. How do you see

00:13:12.640 this playing out? I mean, the way I look at it, there is no way Dr. Jordan Peterson is going to acquiesce

00:13:19.440 to this star chamber trying to re-educate him. He can't, because if he did, he would lose his street

00:13:25.380 cred, quite frankly. And besides, there is absolutely no moral or ethical grounds for

00:13:31.000 Peterson to be hauled before this cabal in the first place. So what do you see, a prolonged legal

00:13:38.140 fight? Or do you see the Ontario College of Psychologists going, yikes, look at the blowback,

00:13:44.500 let's back down? I don't know how this is going to end, because I feel like the college is a little

00:13:51.780 bit too invested in this at this point. The wise thing would have been to say, this is not in our

00:13:56.660 wheelhouse. He, this is not a complaint from a patient. He's not saying anything that's damaging

00:14:01.880 to patients. He's not, you know, advising things to his patients that will, would harm them.

00:14:07.800 But they proceeded with this. So now how do they back out? And they know that they're in, you know,

00:14:14.700 what do they call that? Like a chicken fight, chicken race, whatever it is, where, where they're in a

00:14:20.360 staring contest with Jordan Peterson. And as I said, Jordan Peterson is one of the preeminent thinkers

00:14:26.500 in the entire Anglosphere. And he has, I don't want to, the wrong word is cult-like following,

00:14:33.100 but he has changed the, the minds and hearts of a lot of people. He's advocated for civil liberties.

00:14:40.060 He's even publicly changed his opinions on a lot of things, even the vaccination. You know, he said,

00:14:47.140 I, I took it because I wanted to be left alone, but I was never left alone. And so, um, I don't

00:14:54.040 know how the college backs out from this, but I can tell you what's happening to them right now.

00:14:58.300 And it's not pretty. So we launched a campaign at savepeterson.com wherein, uh, we provide the

00:15:06.160 phone number to the college and you can call it. And I'm going to tell you, if you're watching me right

00:15:12.720 now, do not give the person who answers the phone, the business, that is the receptionist. If you call

00:15:19.720 and I would like you to call, so I'm not talking out of it, I'm encouraging you to call, but if you

00:15:24.660 call, do it during business hours, be polite, be firm, don't use profanity, express your discontent

00:15:31.620 with them, lodge your discontent with them, but do not be hateful. Do not be threatening. Do not be

00:15:39.180 violent. Um, because that's what they're looking for. They want to discredit anybody who supports

00:15:44.280 Jordan Peterson. Don't give them what they want. So if you go to savepeterson.com, you'll get the

00:15:50.200 phone number. I've got it there for you that you can call these people during business hours,

00:15:54.420 but also on that very same website, before we go on, I've got one little click and you can send

00:16:00.420 these people an email. So you can also register your disgust with their behavior in an email that's

00:16:06.240 pre-written. You just have to click it and it'll go. And we want to flood these people with more

00:16:10.620 emails and more phone calls than they have ever had before. Because if they thought that they could

00:16:17.660 come for Jordan Peterson and win, imagine what they're doing to other psychologists along the way 0.91

00:16:23.120 who may have expressed some disagreement with lockdowns or the government or whatever, and they

00:16:29.040 don't have the platform and profile that Jordan Peterson has to fight back. We need to save those

00:16:33.900 doctors too. Well, that's a very good point, Sheila. And like you said, it's hard to see

00:16:39.700 where this is going to go. We don't have a crystal ball. But for right now, my money is on Dr. Jordan

00:16:45.260 Peterson because of his integrity, because of his moral compass, because he does not bend the knee

00:16:51.280 to the woke cancel culture, which is what this cabal of psychologists are. That's a real life

00:16:57.060 representation of that. They are in for the fight of their lives. So I would suggest to

00:17:03.880 the college, throw in the towel right now and try to leave with what little dignity you have

00:17:10.100 on this file. Sheila, a wonderful piece. Thank you so much. And you have a great weekend, my friend.

00:17:16.720 I will, David. Thank you. You too.

00:17:18.300 You got it. And that was Sheila Gunn-Reed somewhere in the northern hinterland 0.73

00:17:23.200 of Alberta. Keep it here, folks. More of Rebel Roundup to come right after this.

00:17:30.300 Tamara Ugolini here with Rebel News, bringing you two different school surveys.

00:17:33.860 to be on the lookout for if you are a concerned Ontario parent with a child or children in the

00:17:40.820 socialized school system. One is referred to as a student census and the other is a school climate

00:17:48.400 survey. They don't mean climate as in global warming or this alarmist death narrative, but rather

00:17:55.080 the general school environment and how everyone feels while in the classroom and at school.

00:17:59.780 All of this reporting came from a viewer tip who shared with me that certain school boards were

00:18:06.120 soliciting the gender identity and sexual orientation of children as young as grades four in a data

00:18:13.680 collection initiative undertaken at school. Originally, I had wanted to know just how much

00:18:19.720 this kind of program was costing Ontario taxpayers. And spoil alert, it was roughly $2.5 million.

00:18:25.940 So I had filed an access to information request, also called an ATIP, which you can support and find out

00:18:32.500 more at rebelinvestigates.com. But now this ATIP has turned into a campaign with a petition,

00:18:39.960 an email blast that calls on Ontario's education minister, Stephen Lecce, to investigate this

00:18:46.020 sexualization of sexualization of children and end the inappropriate line of questioning and data

00:18:50.480 collection of children in their classrooms. You can support this work and follow along at

00:18:56.400 stopclassroomgrooming.com. Because I've discovered through email communications within that previous

00:19:03.500 ATIP response that the line of questioning about gender identity and sexual orientation was explicitly

00:19:10.720 meant to be sent home for parents and guardians to complete on behalf of their children or the

00:19:16.920 students. But the school boards bypassed the parental protection in place. They have instead implemented

00:19:23.100 these ever so slightly differently worded surveys and conducted this massive information gathering

00:19:29.640 exercise unbeknownst to parents and guardians in the classroom. It's sneaky, it's inappropriate,

00:19:35.600 and I've discovered all of this as my investigation continues. So the first survey is called the

00:19:41.540 student census, which is developed and implemented by the division of the Ministry of Education,

00:19:47.260 referred to as the Education Equity Secretariat, that is responsible for overseeing at-risk students

00:19:53.360 and ensuring that they reach their full potential. Then there's the school climate survey, which is

00:19:58.760 developed and implemented by the Indigenous Education and Wellbeing Division, that is dedicated to,

00:20:04.500 you guessed it, equity. That's what equity secretariat Patrick Case told me during our phone

00:20:09.920 conversation, a separate report that you can check out. I will link to it in the written component of

00:20:15.100 this report.

00:20:16.160 Well, one thing is ministry intention. The other thing is how things get exercised at a local level.

00:20:22.880 So I can't swear to what each of the 72 boards might have done. Do you understand what I'm saying?

00:20:30.380 Um, but, um, if it's the school climate survey that we're speaking about, then that may be handled

00:20:41.660 differently. And that's, um, in the, uh, Indigenous Education and Wellbeing Division of the Ministry

00:20:50.460 that handles that. I see. Okay. That's, it's quite convoluted. It all sounds incredibly complicated,

00:20:58.300 but we're actually trying to, over the next couple of years or so, bring these things together to make

00:21:04.340 it a whole lot more rational, right? Um, but the school climate survey started before the census,

00:21:12.880 um, the student census, um, the student census. And they actually captured different things. One of

00:21:19.320 them is more focused on, um, student anecdotal accounts of their experiences. And then the other

00:21:28.180 one is more, uh, numeric. The one that's administered by my office is more numeric.

00:21:35.060 Yet the two surveys appear to be mostly interchangeable, but I've received tips that the student census

00:21:40.940 survey, which again was supposed to go home to be completed by parents of students in grades four

00:21:48.020 to 12 was instead completed in the classroom. And in many instances, unbeknownst to parents.

00:21:54.620 Well, you know, folks, maybe I'm a bit of an old fashioned square. I thought that going to elementary

00:22:00.680 school was all about learning the three R's yet our publicly funded educrats seem to be absolutely

00:22:08.400 obsessed with the sexual orientation and the sexual identity of young children. The question

00:22:16.240 is why joining me now for more on this situation that is equal parts baffling and disturbing is

00:22:24.740 Tamara Ugolini. Hey, how are you doing there, Tamara? Well, in spite of all the woke madness plaguing

00:22:31.000 our province, I'm doing well. What about you, David? Yeah, I'm, uh, I'm waiting. I'm hanging

00:22:35.360 on until the inevitable backlash comes, Tamara. And I, it can't come, uh, soon enough, uh, for

00:22:41.100 the pendulum to reset itself. But Tamara, let's get to the crux of the matter on this story.

00:22:46.720 What is the ostensible policy reason for these surveys in the first place? Why is it that the

00:22:54.620 Ministry of Education and several school boards are so concerned about the sexual identity and the

00:23:02.700 sexual orientation of elementary age children? You know, it falls under this umbrella of equity,

00:23:10.120 inclusion, and tolerance. And it actually comes out, uh, I, I'm going to be doing updated reports

00:23:16.560 on this, but I'll give you a little bit of a teaser because this came in part through some

00:23:21.700 legislation introduced by the Doug Ford conservatives, progressive conservatives, I might add,

00:23:26.940 in 2018. And so it was a policy or slash program memorandum. It's titled number 145. And it's all

00:23:36.700 about promoting positive student behavior. And so they developed all these divisions within and under

00:23:43.740 the Ministry of Education in terms of, you know, the indigenous and equity, um, equity secretariat.

00:23:50.360 And it was these sort of divisions underneath the Ministry of Education or within their umbrella

00:23:57.800 that went ahead and implemented this student climate survey and the student census survey. So there's

00:24:04.240 actually two different surveys at play here. And so the muddy, the, the waters are pretty muddy when

00:24:10.480 you're trying to decipher and discern between the two because they are so similar, but they're slightly

00:24:15.740 different in the way that they're conducted. So one is explicitly directed to be sent home to be

00:24:21.840 completed on behalf of the parents in those younger grades. And then the other one, the student climate

00:24:27.680 survey can be done in the classroom and largely unbeknownst or without the consent of the parents

00:24:35.200 and or the guardians. So it's really concerning that for some reason, one survey is explicitly to be

00:24:41.900 sent home. Yet the other one, which has very similar, and in some instance, even more overreaching

00:24:47.780 questions can be done in the classroom under hopefully the guidance, but maybe not of a teacher

00:24:54.500 and unbeknownst to the parents. Well, this is a very important point. I think Tamara, if this is so good,

00:25:01.060 and this is all about advancing equity and everything else that the left stands for, why the secrecy?

00:25:08.040 Why aren't parents being informed? Why aren't these surveys going home with the kids? What's

00:25:14.740 the unspoken strategy here? Yeah, well, and as you can see from my latest report on the subject,

00:25:21.380 when I called the Ministry of Education themselves, and I spoke to someone there who clarified some of

00:25:28.080 the language around what I received personally as a parent home, which was that this school climate

00:25:32.620 survey was being alleged to be a requirement of the Ministry of Education. What I discovered through

00:25:38.000 my investigation is that in fact, it was just encouraged and voluntary. So when or if students

00:25:45.400 attempted to be exempt or expressed, you know, being uncomfortable filling it out, they weren't

00:25:51.520 supposed to be forced to engage in this survey. And also, the fact here is that in my discussion with

00:26:00.640 the school board itself, they intentionally conduct these surveys in the classroom to garner a high

00:26:08.800 response rate. So they know that if they send this home, or they try to give it to be completed at home

00:26:15.280 with parents, that they aren't going to garner the raw data, which is what they point blank told me they

00:26:20.680 were looking to solicit and garner, they won't get that response rate that they're looking for. And so

00:26:26.620 they sneakily implemented into the classroom, again, unbeknownst to parents or the caregivers and

00:26:32.720 guardians.

00:26:33.020 I think you're right, Tamara, to which I have to say, how dare they? They are funded entirely, 100%

00:26:42.580 by we the people, the taxpayers of this province, the parents who have children in their schools,

00:26:47.840 for them to go on this, you know, ideological jihad, for whatever the ostensible policy reason

00:26:56.780 really is. It's absolutely shameful. But what's even more shameful, I think, is the lack of

00:27:02.360 transparency, given, again, we are the ones paying the salaries of these educrats.

00:27:08.300 Absolutely. And that was something that I brought up also just as a parent myself, because this is

00:27:12.060 kind of, you know, I'm trying to navigate this both as a journalist investigating instances that

00:27:16.500 happened at other school boards that were way more aggressive and egregious than whatever happened

00:27:20.880 at my school board, but still concerning enough for me as a parent. And so in trying to navigate

00:27:26.520 this both as a parent myself experiencing this and as a journalist getting even more feedback from

00:27:31.560 people's school boards who went above and beyond, like the some of the lines of questioning, and

00:27:37.080 please do stay tuned for my reports, because I plan to continue following this beat and featuring some

00:27:41.500 of the most disgusting lines of questionings put out by certain school boards across Ontario. But

00:27:49.040 what I'm finding here is that parents are really left in the dark that any of this is happening. And

00:27:55.520 unless they're playing a very active role in what's going on in the school and in the classroom,

00:27:59.880 and also pushing back, like, for instance, my school board hadn't heard from anyone else that had

00:28:05.200 concerns over a the way that the survey was conducted, or be the line of questioning involved in it.

00:28:10.780 And so if parents aren't making their voices heard, then the school boards just left to their own

00:28:15.420 vices. And again, as they say, in my most recent report, and I feature the the recording of the

00:28:21.220 school board employee, where they say, well, this is your opinion, and we're of the opinion that this is

00:28:27.280 appropriate. And we need to have this, this data and this information to deliver school services,

00:28:32.980 which is another issue in and of itself. But why is the opinions of the senior level or

00:28:40.560 senior staff on a school board superseding the opinion of a parent? And how do they know the

00:28:45.520 opinion of the parent, if they were never asked, whether or not this was appropriate, or they were

00:28:50.940 never surveyed themselves to determine whether this line of questioning was something that they agreed

00:28:57.080 should be instituted in the in a classroom. And so there's that issue there that parents are just

00:29:02.280 being left in the dark, no one asked parents if they thought this was appropriate for their children

00:29:07.000 to be subjected to. And also, the fact that they are just prying on these these young children to

00:29:15.460 garner raw data and a response rate for things that, in my opinion, are not at all relevant to

00:29:23.120 delivering educational services to a student population. Like, why does a school need this

00:29:30.620 information to adequately educate students? And the funny thing about many of these surveys is none of

00:29:36.960 it asks, you know, whether or not parent pupils and students are feeling stimulated by their their

00:29:45.420 education, whether or not they're feeling, you know, that their answers and their questions in terms of the

00:29:51.660 curriculum is being met, whether or not they're being pushed to think critically or nothing about the

00:29:58.620 three hours, as you mentioned, you know, you're reading, writing, and your arithmetic are garnered in these surveys.

00:30:05.120 It's all just woke ideological jargon. I agree with you, Tamara. I think there is no relevance. I think

00:30:11.500 the entitlement by the school boards and the ministry people behind this, it's beyond the pale. But one of

00:30:19.140 the biggest issues, of course, is the whole issue of age appropriateness. You have, as you said in your

00:30:26.200 report, kids as young as grade four being surveyed on very adult material. Now, Tamara, whether you're

00:30:35.920 buying liquor, tobacco, fireworks, lottery tickets, getting a driver's license, voting even, we have

00:30:43.320 ages, age benchmarks in which you're allowed to do everything that I just listed. How is it all of a

00:30:50.660 sudden that age appropriateness goes out of the window when it comes to sexual identity and sexual

00:30:56.440 orientation? Yeah, well, this is all under the, again, the Doug Ford, allegedly progressive

00:31:01.400 conservatives who instituted this curriculum. They campaigned on removing this new revamped sex ed

00:31:07.740 curriculum. And then they received so much backlash from these far left ideologues that they reinstituted

00:31:15.220 it just very quietly and under the radar. And so in this curriculum, it's determined that grade fours,

00:31:23.760 and these are children, you know, depending on when your birthday is, these could be kids as young as

00:31:27.440 eight years old. It's determined that it is appropriate and grade level for them to learn about

00:31:33.720 and know their gender identity and sexual orientation. And for me, I say that if a child at that age

00:31:41.320 is aware of what they prefer and like sexually, then there should be phone calls made to child

00:31:47.740 protective services, because that is a red flag for abuse. And this line of questioning is grooming

00:31:53.720 101, to be quite frank. And, and in my opinion, anyone under the age of 18 should be proceeding with 0.70

00:32:01.120 caution when filling out a survey without their parental guidance. I mean, now that I've started to see

00:32:06.140 what some of these school boards are soliciting from very young demographics, and some of them do go

00:32:11.200 down to kindergarten, like some of these school boards are acting very far out of their jurisdiction

00:32:15.440 and out of what the ministry has actually put forward to them. And going and targeting those

00:32:21.140 younger demographics, it's absolutely grotesque and disgusting. And, and it, again, it just has 1.00

00:32:28.140 nothing to do with delivering education. And I'm of the firm belief now that I'm starting to see more

00:32:32.860 and more that parents should opt their children out of any and all surveys that ask personal questions

00:32:38.040 across the board, not even just within school, but anywhere that your child is being surveyed for

00:32:42.620 their raw data. I think that parents should take a proactive role and exempt them completely.

00:32:48.520 Well, you know, Tamara, I'd love to go to some Ontario PC event and ask Ontario Premier Doug Ford,

00:32:54.600 what the hell he's thinking. But as you know, he'll call the police and have me charged with

00:32:58.600 trespassing. You're not allowed to ask impolite questions anymore. What a disgrace. What a flip flopper

00:33:04.460 of a cosmic degree. I guess the, the final question I have for you, Tamara, is that there was some real

00:33:12.840 perverse irony here because while this ministry, while so many school boards are obsessed with the

00:33:20.820 sexuality of children, meanwhile, as we see year after year, the student achievement scores for students,

00:33:28.680 especially in math, is going into the sewer. So what children are supposed to be learning,

00:33:35.060 the important things children should be learning, that's going by the wayside. But my goodness,

00:33:42.120 we're going to spend millions of dollars to find out what sexual orientation and sexual identity

00:33:50.120 little Johnny and little Janie subscribe to. Unbelievable. Tamara, last word goes to you, my friend.

00:33:57.200 Well, I want to go back there for a minute when you said that, you know, you would be arrested for

00:34:00.940 asking impolite questions. And in my, these, this, this survey, the nature of these questions

00:34:06.740 is impolite. This is grotesque. It's disgusting. It's unnecessary. And as I already mentioned,

00:34:12.800 it's grooming 101. And yes, we have seen just repeatedly over the years, the constant degradation,

00:34:20.260 degradation of the schooling in Ontario and, you know, arguably Canada as a whole,

00:34:26.520 but especially post COVID where we saw unprecedented school closures and children missing school for

00:34:33.180 government sanctioned lockdowns. And the priority here doesn't seem to be on getting those children

00:34:40.040 caught up or getting them to excel or exceed in the school system with revamps to curriculum or a

00:34:47.760 targeted approach in that way, or surveying them to see how they're doing at school. And if they need

00:34:53.780 more assistance or if they are not being, as I already mentioned, adequately stimulated and have,

00:35:01.000 have work that's garnered and geared toward their actual grade level, no, no, instead, they're going

00:35:06.960 to find out whether or not you identify as a two-spirited, bisexual, transgendered, disabled person.

00:35:16.280 And if you're being bullied on the schoolyard, because somehow that matters for the delivery of

00:35:21.980 your education. The other thing about these survey questions, and I kind of rolled a couple of buzzwords

00:35:27.560 into one there is that these children, these young, young grade level children can identify as anything

00:35:34.360 that they want, they can select as many as they feel might apply, or none at all. It's the fact that

00:35:41.740 this is being done and is being, you know, put out to, let's say, 10-year-old boys, how accurately do

00:35:47.600 we really think 10-year-old boys are going to answer a school survey that has all of these funny words

00:35:53.680 on it that they're just going to make a joke out of it? And so the fact that the school board thinks

00:35:57.500 that this is like a serious data collection survey, what they're going to garner real, real data to make,

00:36:03.220 I don't know, informed choices on how to deliver education, it's so out to lunch and surreal.

00:36:08.940 Textbook bizarro world. I can't even believe that we're living in the state of affairs that we are

00:36:15.440 currently. No, you're so right. And I'll tell you, Tamara, in the almost 40 years of being

00:36:19.540 practicing journalism, and I'm not making an exaggeration here, I find the people associated

00:36:25.140 with education, school board people, trustees, the educrats, as I call them, I find them to be 1.00

00:36:32.140 amongst the most stupid people I have ever met. They really need to go back to school. And it's not 1.00

00:36:38.840 to learn this rubbish, it's to learn actual common decency and common sense. Tamara, thank you so

00:36:45.100 much. It was an excellent report. Keep your eye on this because we know nobody else in the mainstream

00:36:49.760 media is doing it. You have a great weekend, my friend. Thank you, David. Likewise. Got it. And that

00:36:55.780 was Tamara Ugolini in Coburg, Ontario. Keep it here, folks. More of Rebel Roundup to come right after this.

00:37:01.780 But that was then and this is now. So let's get back to that mystifying essay. O'Toole's opening

00:37:10.760 line is this, quote, one of the hopes I have for 2023 is to see fewer profanity laden Trudeau flags

00:37:19.040 across Canada, end quote. And then to double down on this most curious New Year's wish, he rehashed this

00:37:26.700 very statement on Twitter. WTF, indeed. For starters, when one produces content, one must understand

00:37:35.980 who comprises the target audience. So it is that when a former Conservative leader comes across as an

00:37:43.520 apologist for Prime Minister Blackface McGroper, who is this essay hoping to curry favour with?

00:37:51.060 The mainstream media? The rank and file of the Liberal Party of Canada? Perhaps Jagmeet Singh?

00:37:57.800 Or maybe Ontario Premier Doug Ford? Or perhaps it's all of the above? Because really,

00:38:02.960 can you tell the difference? I can't see the difference. Can you see the difference?

00:38:08.140 No, I can't see the difference. Can you see the difference?

00:38:10.980 Let's continue, shall we? Quote,

00:38:12.720 I say this as the person who ran against Justin Trudeau in the last general election and someone who

00:38:19.280 remains very critical of his record in government, end quote. Ooh, very critical of Justin's record,

00:38:27.360 you say. Good golly, Miss Molly, you don't think that's a little bit harsh, do you, Aaron? Ooh,

00:38:33.720 critical. It dithers on, quote. But as I told my kids during the national campaign, Mr. Trudeau was my

00:38:40.820 political opponent, not my enemy. These flags and the hyper-aggressive rhetoric that often accompanies

00:38:48.980 them are slowly normalising rage and damaging our democracy. Since so many people that display the

00:38:56.580 flags claim to be conservative, this might also be an appropriate time to tell them that these flags

00:39:03.700 are the very antithesis of what it means to be conservative, end quote. No, Mr. Aaron O'Toole,

00:39:11.220 you are the very antithesis of what it means to be conservative. Tell your kids that life lesson.

00:39:19.180 Full disclosure here, folks, I'm not a big fan of profanity. You will rarely witness me dropping an

00:39:26.020 F-bomb if you have a good point to be made. It can be done so without vulgarity, although I'll tell

00:39:33.660 you I was indeed on the cusp of uttering an F-bomb or three while reading O'Toole's gibberish. But

00:39:40.180 unlike O'Toole, I do not condemn those individuals who brandish F. Trudeau flags. The problem here is

00:39:48.080 that Aaron O'Toole seems to be oblivious when it comes to the concept that is known as cause and effect.

00:39:55.580 Which is to say, if this stately gentleman were to put down his mint julep for a second and get off 0.96

00:40:03.520 his ricotta cheese candy ass and, you know, venture out to where the protests are happening in which 0.95

00:40:10.040 those F. Trudeau flags are being displayed, then maybe he would get an understanding for the lack of 0.99

00:40:17.000 decorum in the public square these days. Maybe then the ever effeminate Aaron would discover the

00:40:24.580 justified cause for the collective anger, such as people losing their businesses thanks to

00:40:32.020 nonsensical COVID-19 rules, or people losing their houses, or people being fired for not agreeing to

00:40:39.340 being jabbed by an experimental vaccine, or people having their democratic rights eclipse thanks to the

00:40:46.480 federal government employing the emergencies act to shut down a peaceful protest. But no, O'Toole has no

00:40:53.820 empathy for these people. Rather, he's more concerned that Justin Trudeau might suffer from

00:41:00.300 hurt feelings when gazing upon those flags.

00:41:03.880 Holy ghost of Christmas past. Yes, over the Christmas time break, Aaron O'What's-His-Name published an essay

00:41:11.480 that was absolutely guaranteed to enrage grassroots conservatives. Why? Well, I guess you can't teach an

00:41:19.520 old dog new tricks. How sad O'Toole could have won the 2021 federal election. During the first two weeks

00:41:27.360 of the campaign, Justin Trudeau endured two very, very bad weeks, whereas O'Toole was quite stellar.

00:41:34.060 But then, inexplicably, O'Toole began flip-flopping on everything from carbon taxes and the gun grab to

00:41:41.340 vaccine mandates. And results, so many disgruntled conservative voters simply stayed home, and another

00:41:48.620 victory for the Justin Trudeau liberals emerged absolutely pathetic. In any event, we received a metric 0.94

00:41:56.280 tonne of feedback regarding O'Toole's astonishing essay urging conservatives to, you know, play nice

00:42:04.620 with a scandal-plagued prime minister who admires the basic dictatorship of communist China.

00:42:11.740 Unbelievable. R&B Unicorn writes, maybe he's preparing to cross the floor. Well, you know, if that's the

00:42:19.580 case, R&B Unicorn, very well then. Good riddance. That's where he belongs. And after

00:42:26.240 all, we can't have a functional conservative party with members who are conservative in name

00:42:33.440 only. Robert Parasso writes, now does anyone else here understand exactly why the establishment

00:42:42.260 adores this dude so much? Good point, Robert, but that's another reason why O'Toole is such a loser. 0.99

00:42:49.300 He constantly seeks the approval of the establishment, but when he was the leader of the conservative 0.70

00:42:54.480 party, he should have been seeking the approval of conservative voters. And alas, thanks to O'Toole

00:43:01.080 being so wishy-washy, and thanks to him being a closet liberal, so many conservative voters simply

00:43:08.260 stayed home on election day 2021. That was a tragedy. Ron A. writes, O'Toole, have you forgotten so quickly

00:43:18.060 what Trudeau and his little band of liars did to legal protest and the Canadian patriots from across 0.54

00:43:24.660 the country? Vilified, criminalized, jailed for daring to stand up to Trudeau, the absolute ruler? 0.94

00:43:33.240 There is a reason you are not leader. Well said, Ron. But again, O'Toole is more concerned with F. Trudeau

00:43:40.700 flags. I wonder if O'Toole shops at French Connection United Kingdom. That's the store

00:43:47.580 that goes by the abbreviation of F.C.U.K. Ooh, probably a little too risque for Lady Erin, 0.52

00:43:54.900 I would imagine. And finally, Dan Adam writes, this is the same guy who made the Parliament Hill

00:44:02.820 Port-A-Potty video. Bad taste. Now he doesn't like it? You know, brilliant point, Dan. I had

00:44:10.340 completely forgotten all about this absolute embarrassment. You know what? Let's roll that

00:44:14.940 video right here to remind one and all what Aaron O'Toole considers to be a class act.

00:44:21.240 We're going to move Justin Trudeau out of this office into a more appropriate office.

00:44:26.560 We've got something lined up already for him.

00:44:29.360 Brilliant. Toilet humor. Even the audio was crap, no pun intended. Well, then again,

00:44:37.720 I guess it's only fitting. How embarrassing. Yet O'Toole thinks this was appropriate? What

00:44:44.340 a hypocrite. Well, folks, that wraps up our final edition of Rebel Roundup. Yes, beginning 0.99

00:44:50.580 on Monday, I will be co-hosting the Rebel Daily with Sheila Gunn-Reed. It will be basically

00:44:56.100 a combination of the Rebel livestream and this show, Rebel Roundup. It will air from 1 until

00:45:03.560 2 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. So as the late, great Billy Red Lions used to say, don't you

00:45:09.820 dare miss it. And so it is that I'd like to thank everyone who has tuned into this show

00:45:15.000 for the past five years. It has been a blast. In the meantime, have yourselves an awesome weekend.

00:45:21.880 And hey, folks, never forget, without risk, there can be no glory. Good night and goodbye.

00:45:51.880 Good night and goodbye.

00:46:02.340 Good night.

00:46:07.160 Good night and goodbye.

00:46:17.040 Good night and goodbye.

Rebel News Podcast - January 07, 2023

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