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00:00:00.000 Hello, and welcome to Misunderstood, the show for the politically and culturally misunderstood

00:00:20.580 lady or gent. Or birthing person. Or birthing person. We are your hosts.

00:00:26.660 I'm Nat. And I'm Kat. And today we're going to be talking about the Met Gala, the Gilded Glamour

00:00:34.580 in all of its splendor. And of course, the more serious topic of the recent leak of the Roe v. Wade

00:00:40.800 possible overturning. So before we get into it, let's not. And we'll just get into it.

00:00:49.060 Let's not. Okay. Kim Kardashian's Met Gala 2022 comments on weight loss are harmful and

00:00:55.980 unnecessary. So. According to Teen Vogue. According to Teen Vogue. And actually a few others.

00:01:00.740 But okay, so let's just backpedal a little. Last episode, I believe it was, we talked about

00:01:05.160 the theme. And so just in case y'all don't know, Gilded Glamour, which is a continuation

00:01:10.360 into American fashion. And it was coined, it was coined Gilded Glamour with the promise

00:01:15.920 of celebrities wearing tight corsets, bodices, and grandiose headwear. And it's a historical

00:01:20.520 period from the 1870s to the early 1900s. You hear that, Kim? Yeah, Kim. Kim. So I

00:01:26.800 didn't know 1962 Happy Birthday Mr. President was a part of the theme. So for those who don't

00:01:32.220 know, the reality star wore the actual dress that Marilyn Monroe wore in Happy Birthday

00:01:38.080 Mr. President. Yes. And people are mad. Yeah, people are mad for like all the wrong reasons,

00:01:42.820 I think. I think so too. I think they should be mad because it's literally not the theme at

00:01:46.420 all. In no way was it the theme. And I thought it was a pretty disappointing look. But that's

00:01:51.380 not why people are mad. So there's lots of, there's basically two reasons that people are

00:01:55.260 mad. The first is that it is apparently the dress is a historical piece of Americana. And

00:02:02.220 people are mad that she wore it because they don't think that anyone should get to wear

00:02:05.920 it because it should be in a museum or it should just be like, it is a fragile piece

00:02:10.280 of garment. History. Yes. And apparently every time you wear it, it rips a little bit and

00:02:14.720 there's all these like micro threads and there's hand sewn beads and people are upset about that.

00:02:19.680 Yeah. And the other criticism. Yes. So they're very upset that she lost 16 pounds to fit in

00:02:26.360 it, sort of, but she didn't actually fit in it. Yeah, she didn't even fit in it. She couldn't

00:02:29.600 actually zip it up in the back, which is why you see her wearing that beautiful shawl, which

00:02:33.800 she said was fine because it was very Marilyn Monroe-esque. How lovely of her. How kind of her.

00:02:38.960 Yes. It's funny because her butt implants couldn't fit in the dress made for a human woman.

00:02:42.680 Maybe just use your real butt next time, Kim. Yeah. Um, so people are mad because she lost

00:02:47.560 16 pounds in three weeks actually, which is pretty, it's a lot, that's a large extreme

00:02:51.640 amount of pounds. Yeah. Okay. Like we've been trying for months and not even, I've gained.

00:02:56.080 Yeah. So like, you know, it is, it is hard. I mean, it's hard because I only weigh 16 pounds

00:03:02.180 total. Yes. So for me to lose 16 pounds, I would literally just be ahead. She'd be like,

00:03:07.600 you know, when you go to a store with the automatic doors, the door just wouldn't open.

00:03:11.480 It wouldn't open. It wouldn't recognize you. It barely does now.

00:03:14.160 Ah, the dream. That's Kim's dream too. So, um, yeah. So basically people are just mad because

00:03:20.500 they think that she is supposed to be setting a good example for women. And I actually don't

00:03:24.500 agree because I don't think she's ever promised. I was going to say like her whole, uh, claim to fame

00:03:29.900 is based on the, her mother releasing a sex tape, which was actually in the news last week again,

00:03:34.680 because, um, Ray J, the, uh, gentleman caller, the gentleman, the gentleman caller who was featured

00:03:40.020 in said film actually came out and said that it was, um, his idea to release it, but that the

00:03:44.740 Kardashian family was well on board and they discussed it all beforehand. And then Kris Jenner

00:03:49.280 ended up like making it happen. And that Kim Kardashian was in possession of the tape the entire

00:03:54.400 time. Um, not super important to the conversation. Um, but it's interesting that that's, we have

00:04:01.860 to remember that this, um, role model came from a sex tape. So, you know, gross. Yeah. And also,

00:04:09.520 I mean, we've talked about her body on the show. That's slim thick. Like she does it. She knows

00:04:13.500 that she sets a terrible example for women and she sets these unreachable standards and she doesn't

00:04:19.440 care. Like she just frankly doesn't care. And nor should she. No. Why not? Why does she

00:04:24.380 have to care? It's not like she's the first. So one of the, you know, we can get through our pros

00:04:27.840 and cons here, but like one thing that comes to mind right, right off the top is like why she's

00:04:32.780 not the first person to set impossible body standards. Like if you want to talk about Marilyn

00:04:37.080 Monroe, she herself had her breasts done, had her nose done. Like these people that we look up to

00:04:42.000 barely any of them are natural looking. They all starve themselves. So to say that Kim Kardashian,

00:04:48.320 yeah, we're like, totally kidding. But like to say that Kim Kardashian should be like

00:04:53.760 the bastion for like young girls in terms of like body positivity. It's like she never agreed

00:04:58.020 to do that, nor do any of these celebrities agree to do that. Yeah. And I think the funny

00:05:02.600 thing that they don't realize is that like by talking about her, by stirring up this controversy,

00:05:07.920 they're really playing into exactly what she planned all along. I think she obviously knew

00:05:12.580 it was going to piss people off. Like who the hell is Kim Kardashian to deserve to wear

00:05:16.400 any historical figures dress? I mean, she can afford literally any gown in the world, but she,

00:05:21.240 there was a privilege that came with being one of the only other people to get to wear that gown.

00:05:26.100 Yeah. And like, we're just, we're part of the problem too, I guess, because we're talking about

00:05:30.160 it, but like, this is exactly what she wanted haters. Yeah. So, and I think that is part of the

00:05:35.580 reason that people get so salty about it because they're like, who is she? And it's like, well,

00:05:40.260 this is the kind of person that we've propped up in society. And like, whether you like her or not,

00:05:44.880 like Marilyn Monroe, isn't that much better. Like, sorry to say she had an affair with a

00:05:51.280 sitting president. Like I like, I like Marilyn Monroe just fine, but I had, I been a young woman

00:05:57.260 growing up in the sixties, maybe I would have been negatively influenced by her semi trashy behavior.

00:06:03.740 Yeah. No, that's a great point. So it's like, we've always propped up beautiful, troubled women.

00:06:09.500 Yeah. This isn't the first time and it's not going to be the last. And I think it's also part of

00:06:13.300 like Kim Kardashian maybe had an ego thing where she's like, I, she, cause she had the replica

00:06:18.760 dress built as well. Cause she wore the real dress for just the photos. And then for the rest of the

00:06:22.460 night, she wore a replica of it. Well, it's like, why wouldn't you just wear the replica the whole

00:06:26.600 night? Right. Well, she wanted to be the person to, like you mentioned before, the only other person

00:06:31.640 other than Marilyn Monroe to wear the dress. So it's like, she's just an ego thing. And like,

00:06:35.520 you're playing into it. Thousand percent. I think there are two other things to touch on. So I think

00:06:39.840 the, the one, like the people that she should actually be setting a good example for, and I

00:06:44.580 think why it's warranted to be pissed off at her is because she's a mother to daughters. So losing

00:06:50.080 that amount of weight, even though she and her trainer claim that she did it in a healthy way.

00:06:54.500 I mean, okay, sure. You, you were still limiting your diet extremely, you know, um, she's a mom.

00:07:01.980 She should be setting a better example for her kids. They're like, Oh, mommy can lose 16 pounds in

00:07:06.440 three weeks to fit into a dress for four minutes. Like, is that really the example you want to set

00:07:10.640 for your own children? Screw the world. Like who cares what, how you're influencing the rest of us,

00:07:15.040 but your own flesh and blood whom you love, I assume. That's weird. Yeah. Well, I, that actually

00:07:20.840 reminds me of part of the controversy of, you know, the whole Ray J thing that came up last week,

00:07:24.960 because on keeping up with the Kardashians, apparently she said that Ray J had, or someone had

00:07:31.200 another sex tape that hadn't been released and someone was threatening to release it. And now her lawyer said,

00:07:36.120 no such tape exists. But then on the show, Kim said, there is one. Um, it's just funny because

00:07:40.420 she was like, I want to protect my children from this. And it's like, well, maybe I should have

00:07:44.480 thought of your future children before you put out the sex tape in the first place. Like,

00:07:48.400 obviously we don't live in retrospect, but like, why, like what, Nat, why have you never put out a

00:07:53.240 sex tape? Like, because you don't want anyone to fricking see it. You don't want your future

00:07:57.040 children. You don't want your family, your father. You don't want any of these people,

00:07:59.560 especially your father. Yeah. You don't want these people to see that. So like Kim,

00:08:03.000 you should have thought about that maybe before releasing your own sex tape. It's a good point.

00:08:07.460 It's a really good point. Thanks. Yeah. You're a genius. Um, and I think the other,

00:08:12.460 maybe not so popular take I have on this is why can't people wear these dresses? Like what's the

00:08:20.400 point in them just hanging there, never being honored? I mean, cool. People can go in and look

00:08:25.180 at it, but like dresses are meant to be worn. I'd never seen it. Me either. Other than in

00:08:29.040 black and white. Yeah, exactly. So yeah, that's a really good point. And we were talking about

00:08:34.040 this cause like sometimes I like to buy vintage stuff like vintage purses and vintage blouses

00:08:38.560 and dresses. And it's like, some people are saying, well, did she get permission from the

00:08:42.120 late Marilyn Monroe to wear her dress? It's like, no, but did I have permission from this granny that

00:08:46.460 I bought the blouse from? Yeah. Like, I mean from the thrift store, but like it was not my shirt to

00:08:52.240 wear. No. Arguably. That's funny. Yeah. So no, that's a good point. We all love thrifted stuff. And then

00:08:57.500 when she does it. And she did get permission from the museum. It's not like she stole it.

00:09:02.340 Yeah. And it's a private, so it belongs to Ripley's in LA or Florida. Florida. Right. So it's not like

00:09:08.860 it was a public museum and that she like bribed, stole it, like you said, or bribed someone or

00:09:13.460 whatever. It's like a private company, Ripley's is literally all about attraction and entertainment

00:09:17.820 and making sales. So like, they're like happy to have her wear it and maybe more people will go see

00:09:22.620 the attraction in real life now because of it. No, definitely. And it seems like to her credit,

00:09:27.600 she did respect the conditions. She didn't wear body makeup. And, um, well, that's big of her.

00:09:32.660 I know. So we saw her real arms that evening. That's why she didn't look that good. Yeah.

00:09:38.260 But you know, at least she was amicable with the people in charge. And I think that's fine. Like,

00:09:44.220 I personally think it's fun that we get to see these kind of gowns out in action. I mean,

00:09:48.880 we see jewelry get recycled. Yes. Yes. Absolutely. Royal jewels and whatnot. Exactly. And like,

00:09:54.400 we love fashion. Like, I think it would be so fun to be able to wear gowns like that. Yeah. Maybe

00:09:59.620 this one is a little too fragile. I understand that. But in other contexts, why not? Yeah. Why

00:10:04.380 not? Yeah. And I think it's funny because a lot of the people, and I don't know specifically how

00:10:08.060 these people lean politically, but I'm going to go. So a lot of these people might lean left who are

00:10:12.940 like upset by this. And it's like, y'all are the people who topple down statues of people that you

00:10:17.560 don't like. Yeah. But it's super offensive to you when Kim Kardashian wears an old dress. Like,

00:10:22.500 come on. Yeah. No, that's a funny point. Come on. It's true. Like, you're like, down with whatever.

00:10:27.120 And it's like, we must preserve history. Yeah. Like, oh, do we? Yeah. Do we? Hollywood Americana

00:10:32.500 is so important, but a statue of like, Sir Johnny McDonald should be taken down. Like, come on.

00:10:37.080 Yeah. Yeah. Crazy. Let's rename all the universes. Yeah. Yeah. Hello, Ryerson. Marilyn Monroe.

00:10:41.860 No. She's just the end. Again, a woman who had an affair with a president. Yeah. Like,

00:10:45.780 I don't hate the woman. No, of course not. It's like, it's like, why are we preserving her legacy

00:10:51.480 so much? Well, Kim Kardashian. She's blonde. Yeah. People too like blondes. It's going to happen to me

00:10:56.700 too. I'm going to wear your clothes when you die now. Not without permission. No. I'm going to have

00:11:03.160 to lose 16 pounds to fit into them. You'll be in a lot of trouble if you do that. So there's a lot,

00:11:11.860 um, one of the things that I, this is not any of the talking points that we had, but isn't it

00:11:16.680 funny to see, um, his, what's his face? Her date? Pete Davidson. Pete Davidson's finally not looking

00:11:23.200 like a trash bag. He still kind of looked like one though. I mean, it's just funny because like,

00:11:27.240 literally like a month ago or two months ago when they came out, he looked like someone who lived

00:11:32.240 in his mother's basement with his disgusting hair and his gross jewelry and his gross clothes. And now

00:11:35.860 he's like Vogue. And it's like, hmm, this is funny when men are like, it's just funny. You got whipped,

00:11:41.640 boy. Yeah. That's fair. She's a powerful woman. She is. And she'll tell you what to wear and you

00:11:46.980 will wear it. But, um, also just maybe one final thing on this. Yes. The blonde hair, Kim,

00:11:52.880 the blonde, 10 hours, 10 hours. What's the longest you've ever sat in the chair getting your hair

00:11:58.460 done? Like three. I've done six. Oh wow. It was awful. You have a lot more hair than me. I had foils.

00:12:05.920 I had, it was highlights. So hers was a full bleach job that she got. And she did 10 hours of like,

00:12:10.920 cause you have to take it out and then do another lift and rinse and another, uh, blue,

00:12:15.300 whatever it is. Yeah. Toner. Yeah. And so for me, the longest I've ever sat in was six hours and it

00:12:20.320 was atrocious and it was so expensive and I hated it. And I was devastated at the end. So I can only

00:12:26.060 imagine like triggered. Yeah. Seriously. Like the, her scalp, her scalp. And she made a comment,

00:12:31.260 like, I'm willing to lose my hair for this. And it's like, why? It's cause you can afford to get

00:12:35.160 new hair. Yeah. You'll just get new hair plugged in hair from your thighs up on your head. The rest

00:12:39.680 of us don't have that privilege. No, this is the only hair we have. It's just like, I also think she

00:12:43.320 just didn't look as good as she normally looks. Well, that's another thing I wanted to say. I don't

00:12:47.680 think any of this paid off. You losing 16 pounds, you dyeing your hair. You didn't look the best. No,

00:12:52.600 she, she looked kind of old and I'm not like just because she's a beautiful woman. It was just,

00:12:56.780 I was kind of just like, Oh, it's kind of discipline. Like before I knew what the dress was,

00:13:00.720 I was just like, Oh, like I was like, that's kind of plain. I agree. Like not your best. Like

00:13:05.480 every other people looked way better. We'll talk about it later. Yes, we will. SJP. Literally

00:13:09.920 almost everybody looked. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't worth it. It wasn't a dress that was made

00:13:15.000 for her. It didn't fit her body. She couldn't get her fake butt implants in it. And then she wore

00:13:20.240 the replica for the rest of the night anyways, which probably was made to fit her body, which

00:13:23.500 probably looked awesome, which we don't even get to see. Yeah. It's like, unfortunate. I would have

00:13:26.920 loved to see her in like a, a costumized version of the dress. And even then it was like, it's not

00:13:32.200 even on the theme. Yeah. Like, yeah, whatever. Yeah. You know, we can go on about this forever,

00:13:36.200 but we will. Comments will be meaner and meaner as we go on. So I watch our show. So let's talk.

00:13:44.360 You don't want us to hear us talk about Kim Kardashian. It's true. It's true. Uh, we will be doing a

00:13:48.660 segment where we read your mean comments one day. So please just give us your worst. Um, we're ready

00:13:53.600 for it. Maybe we should talk about something less controversial. Um, abortion Roe v. Wade y'all.

00:14:00.960 So we did talk about abortion a couple of weeks ago, but, um, it's unfortunate that we have to

00:14:05.540 touch this again, never talk about it. Yeah. I just don't do it. That's kind of the bottom line,

00:14:09.500 but here we are before we jump into it. Can I just offer a little historical background on

00:14:13.440 your view aid? I know we did a little bit briefly, but this will take the new fans for the new fans.

00:14:17.460 There's so many of you. Um, I'll just give me two seconds here. So in 1969, Norma L. McCorvey found

00:14:24.840 out she was pregnant. So in Texas at the time where she was living, uh, abortion was legal only for

00:14:31.280 rape and incest. Okay. So she visited an illegal clinic to get an abortion and she discovered it

00:14:35.320 was shut down. And then she teamed up with Linda Coffey and Sarah Weddington, two recent graduates of

00:14:40.380 the university of Texas law school who brought forth a lawsuit on her behalf. Um, so they changed her

00:14:45.760 name to Jane Roe, so as to protect her identity. Basically they argued that she had a right to

00:14:50.340 obtain an abortion in a legal setting and the U S district court for the Northern district of Texas

00:14:55.280 agreed. So in 1973, the Supreme court ruled that a woman was, uh, has the Liberty, sorry, to have an

00:15:01.300 abortion without excessive government restriction on the federal level, meaning federal government

00:15:05.980 doesn't have the power to stop abortion in the first trimester. So then on May 3rd, yes,

00:15:11.820 Politico reported that they were given the initial draft, uh, with a majority opinion that voted to

00:15:17.340 overturn this very historical precedent setting court ruling. Yes. That's what we're going to talk

00:15:23.900 about. And it's important to note that this does not mean that people in America cannot get an

00:15:29.020 abortion now that there's some new federal law that's overturned abortion. It does mean, however,

00:15:34.020 that, uh, states that previously had abortion bans and ones that are wanting to now can possibly once

00:15:41.780 the actual, so it's not even overturned yet. It's just a leak that is saying that probably this summer

00:15:46.100 it will likely be overturned. Um, so it's important to know you still can get an abortion in the United

00:15:52.180 States. You might just have to take a little bit of a drive. So people are acting like this is,

00:15:56.740 they're being denied clean drinking water. They are reaction. Like my life is in danger. It's,

00:16:02.340 it's, it's insanity. It's insanity. It's absolutely insanity. And there's so much

00:16:06.420 actual misinformation spreading around crazy. And one of the huge, uh, proponents of spreading this

00:16:12.980 misinformation is of course, teen. Oh, shocking. Oh, no teen Vogue. What are we going to do with you?

00:16:19.380 Maybe we should just start with the fact that it's a little weird that teen Vogue cares so much about

00:16:24.400 abortions when it's a magazine for teenagers. Yeah. Not young adults, but teenagers, tweens,

00:16:29.680 you know, kids in high school, middle school kids who don't like, I was reading Vogue when I was in

00:16:34.240 high school. So I can't, I, teen Vogue to me was too young. Yeah. When I was in high school,

00:16:37.840 I was like, Oh, that's for kids. Yeah. But not anymore. Yeah. It's, uh, it's teaching you the good

00:16:43.760 stuff. So, um, should we just jump right into the first article? So this, this article is from

00:16:49.200 teen Vogue. Um, and it kind of follows how, uh, what's her name? Oh my gosh. What's her name?

00:16:54.320 Elizabeth Warren, my goodness. Oh, sorry. Elizabeth Warren, um, had a not so eloquent or whatever.

00:17:00.740 She's not graceful. She just starts screaming and they're like, she's allowed to, cause she's so

00:17:03.920 mad. She's so passionate. I think it's also important to note that these, um, pro choicers

00:17:09.900 are trying to reword it from pro-life to anti-choice. So I'm not pro-life. I'm anti-choice where I'm like,

00:17:18.560 can I just reword it that you're anti-baby, you're anti-life, you're anti-family. Like,

00:17:23.020 would that feel good to them? Aren't these the same people who are anti-choice when it comes to

00:17:28.460 taking a COVID-19 vaccine? Yes, they are. Ooh. Yes, they are, Natasha. It's interesting. Um, that is

00:17:35.720 the thing that I've noticed the most is where people are like, oh, all these pro, all these

00:17:40.300 anti-vaxxers, like, where are you on this, my body, my choice thing now? And it's like, yeah, I mean,

00:17:45.540 you can draw that comparison, but you're kind of forgetting one major element of this argument where

00:17:51.440 it's like, it's not just your body. There's a freaking other body involved in it. And that's

00:17:55.440 called the baby. Yeah. And I mean, I correct me if I'm wrong, but when you kill a pregnant person,

00:18:00.480 is it not considered a double homicide? It is, Natasha. Oh my goodness gracious. Oh. Yeah. So

00:18:05.700 this article here, it's a different one. Um, but it's also from Teen Vogue and it's young people are

00:18:10.420 switching their birth control before abortion acts, uh, access via Roe v. Wade falls. And if we want to

00:18:16.500 look at the sign that this young lady is holding up here, it says, this isn't really about babies.

00:18:21.020 It's about controlling our bodies. What? It's not about babies. What's it about then? What is it

00:18:27.580 about? The pro-life movement is literally about protecting actually babies and mothers, y'all.

00:18:33.520 And fathers. And fathers. Who nobody seems to care about at all. Yeah. No, no one seems,

00:18:38.800 that's a whole nother discussion that we should definitely have one day. The only people that are

00:18:42.520 allowed to have a con like, like voice on this, who are men are pro choice men. Yeah. And they're

00:18:47.400 creeps. And they're so creepy. Like all I see on my Instagram are men that I know in real life who

00:18:51.760 are so pro vaccine, who some of them literally the same people literally have attacked me personally

00:18:57.920 for being pro choice when it comes to vaccine. And then they're out here being like, uh, we're a

00:19:02.500 woman's right to choose what happens to her body. And I'm like, calm down, sir. Like you've literally,

00:19:07.360 literally attacked me personally about my decision to not be vaccinated. And now you're saying you want to

00:19:11.580 abort babies. What you want is you want sex with no consequences. Absolutely. That's what it feels

00:19:16.180 like. No, it's so true. Um, and I mean, these people always talk about, oh, reproductive health,

00:19:22.640 uh, women's rights, you know, women's reproductive, whatever. And it's like,

00:19:26.960 yet you refer to women as uterus owners, birthing people, you know, pregnant people. It's like,

00:19:33.340 you can't have it both ways. Like if we're gonna, as Ali Beth Stuckey tweeted this, actually,

00:19:37.600 uh, let me just find it here in my notes. She said, women's rights to most progressive just

00:19:42.640 means the right to kill babies and doesn't include ensuring women's bathrooms, locker rooms, sports

00:19:47.460 teams, prisons, and abuse shelters are protected and safe. So spare me if I don't take their outcry

00:19:52.400 seriously. It's true. Like we can't just scream justice for all and then exclude the unborn and

00:19:57.760 then be okay when biological males are raping women in prison because they identify as females.

00:20:03.220 Like, I'm sorry, you cannot have it both ways. And, and women who are holding up signs saying

00:20:07.960 like, if you don't have a uterus, you don't have an opinion. It's like, where were you during the

00:20:11.920 conversation about fricking Leah Thomas and all that? Like she doesn't have a uterus or he doesn't

00:20:17.220 have a uterus or whatever you want to call Leah Thomas. No uterus, but definitely a woman in your

00:20:21.600 eyes. But anyone without a uterus doesn't have an opinion on the life or death of their own

00:20:26.200 offspring. Yeah. That's cray. You guys, that is straight up cray. It's straight. This whole conversation

00:20:31.460 is crazy. And, and you think Teen Vogue would do a better job at trying to encourage young people

00:20:37.060 to prevent pregnancy. Yes. Prevent pregnancy. Exactly. That's a whole other bag of worms. And I

00:20:42.460 think we should talk about it because in all of the research that we did for this episode, I never

00:20:47.100 saw other than from Evie. Yeah. I never saw one article saying, well, here's some natural forms of

00:20:52.960 birth control. Here's how you check your basal body temperature, right? Like learn about your

00:20:57.340 menstruation cycle, your cycle, your whole cycle, not just your period. Like there's a great Evie

00:21:01.780 article on just that. It's literally, and we've talked about this before. Yeah. About how tracking

00:21:05.840 your entire cycle helps not only just preventing pregnancy, but like tracking your moods, like

00:21:10.060 your, your energy level and your moods are dipped right before your period because your, um, estrogen

00:21:16.500 level increase. Yeah. Increases. And when you're ovulating, you have more energy because your project,

00:21:22.760 your testosterone or progesterone or whatever the one it is. There's a lot of drones around.

00:21:27.140 Yeah. There's a lot of your estrogen dips. And so you, you go through these cycles and it really

00:21:31.440 affects your mood and how you feel and when you're feeling sick and tired and when you have more

00:21:35.760 headaches and when you're prone to bloating and all this stuff. And people have, there was no mention

00:21:39.840 of any of this in any of the articles and they're, and they're all saying like, like, uh, contraception

00:21:45.200 is super important because people are scared that, um, this Roe v. Wade being overturned is going to

00:21:50.420 overturn other laws that allow women to get contra access to contraceptives, which is not

00:21:55.620 listed anywhere. It's not listed anywhere. But if you're going to go down that road,

00:21:59.560 why don't you talk about the natural forms of contraceptive? It's, it's like, there are so

00:22:04.260 many things that you can do to ensure that you're not going to get pregnant. And obviously one of them

00:22:08.300 is abstinence. And I'm not going to be your high school teacher and just say, don't have sex,

00:22:11.480 don't have sex, but like don't have sex maybe. But there's also like, you can track your cycle.

00:22:15.380 There are times on your cycle where you cannot get pregnant. Then you can pull out,

00:22:19.940 you can wear condoms, like you can track your temperature. Like there are so many things you

00:22:23.800 can do. It's not listed anywhere. And it's really frustrating. Yeah, no, it's true. And I think

00:22:27.340 people just need to be aware, like when you consent to sex, you do consent to pregnancy. Okay. Like

00:22:31.920 that is, that is one of the implications of having sex with someone. So you are responsible. You are

00:22:37.460 responsible. And that means when you get pregnant, you, it is not the baby's fault that you decided to

00:22:42.520 have sex with Rando McGee. Okay. Like it's not fair that these innocent things who don't have things,

00:22:48.480 those people, these innocent babies that don't have a voice, don't get to defend themselves. And

00:22:52.000 you are actually, you're taking away their right to live. You're deciding for them. You are playing

00:22:57.080 God. Yeah. It's like your body, it's like their body, your choice. Yeah. It's completely unfair.

00:23:01.440 It's so unfair. And it should also mention because, you know, critics of what we're saying right now

00:23:05.560 will say, well, what about women who didn't choose to have sex? What about women who were raped?

00:23:08.940 Sure. We looked it up just before coming in here. You knew already, but I didn't. Um, the actual stats

00:23:14.920 from a study from 2004 and 1970 or 86. Yeah. 1978 or something. Yeah. One percent of abortions are

00:23:23.480 because of rape. Yeah. Less than one percent are because of incest. So yes, that is obviously super

00:23:28.480 tragic. And I think that maybe there's a conversation to be had about that when you literally didn't

00:23:32.400 consent to sex. However, there are still things you can do. Like you can just put your child up for

00:23:37.140 adoption. Like there are lots of things you can do. One percent. We're talking about one percent.

00:23:41.520 Yeah. No, it's true. And then another argument that I would love to bring up is that a lot of

00:23:46.920 people say that when you render abortion illegal, women are going to go, you know, and do illegal

00:23:52.740 things or they're going to hurt themselves trying to abort the baby themselves. But actually,

00:23:56.960 apparently the number of women who died from illegal abortions prior to Roe v. Wade was actually

00:24:02.040 greatly inflated by those lobbying for the legalization of abortion. So they basically lied about how many

00:24:07.760 people were actually dying from like, I guess, self homemade abortions and stuff just so that they

00:24:14.400 could further their political agenda. So it's really not true. And in fact, I would argue, actually,

00:24:19.980 I'm sure there's stats to support this, that since legalize, since the legalization of abortion,

00:24:25.900 there have been more, not less. Yes. A hundred percent. So it's because of, and I think it's because

00:24:30.280 of Teen Vogue, for example, who is allowing abortion. They glamorize it. And it's a contraceptive. Yeah.

00:24:36.120 It's not a form of birth control to kill a baby once it's already been fertilized and growing in

00:24:41.020 your stomach. Like that is, you're too late for contraception and birth control at that point.

00:24:45.600 Also, it's interesting. Remember months ago, the whole Joe Rogan thing with the horse deworming,

00:24:51.260 the ivermectin thing, vice, I think it was vice. I'll have to look that up. But one of these left

00:24:56.460 wing publications was just, you know, slandering him saying that he was taking horse dewormer and how,

00:25:03.420 how, you know, dangerous that is for him to be telling his fans that he can take a horse base,

00:25:08.180 even though literally his doctor prescribed it for him. He didn't get it from a vet.

00:25:11.620 However, the same publication, I think it was vice said that if abortion becomes illegal in your

00:25:16.200 state, you can use a veterinary. I forget what the actual use for the animal is, but it causes,

00:25:23.280 it's a pill that you can get from a vet that will cause you to have an abortion at your house.

00:25:28.300 My God, what are you doing? Like you're not just, so it's not okay to cure your cough with something

00:25:35.820 that can also be used to help a horse, but it is okay to kill a baby with something that may be

00:25:41.500 helpful for a horse. Like what if you don't kill it? What if you just hurt it? And I think the same

00:25:47.420 people who are rah, rah, rah, abortion, teenagers, you deserve your abortions, the pro-choice lobby in

00:25:53.700 general, they don't have to deal with the consequences. When you get an abortion, you have

00:25:58.100 to deal with those implications. You have to deal with the spiritual, physical, mental toll that that

00:26:02.820 has on your body. Okay. Like these people who are like, Oh, whatever, just go for it. It's like,

00:26:07.980 it's like going to the dentist. It's like, you know, it's not, it's not, it is not. And they don't

00:26:13.580 have to deal with the consequences you do. And as we mentioned in previous episodes, there is grace for

00:26:18.820 you. If you've had an abortion, we're not here to condemn you or judge you there. There is grace for you.

00:26:23.520 Like, and there are people who want to talk to you and support you, you know, go to church,

00:26:27.940 talk to your women who've had abortions is not, not helpful and not grace. That's not the game

00:26:32.900 we want to play. You know, we're not here to judge you, but we do want people to be aware that

00:26:37.280 there's something very sinister about this narrative around abortion. Yeah. The culture we live in where

00:26:44.280 yeah. Remember that video that, did you see that video last week where this old woman was talking

00:26:49.120 to a bunch of young, like university students? No. Oh my gosh. She said, she said, if girls,

00:26:56.200 if you get pregnant, go down to the abortion clinic and get that bastard sucked out. So the person who

00:27:01.140 can't have kids. Yes. Said the old woman. Yeah. Said the ratchet old woman. Yes. And they're like,

00:27:07.540 it was one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen. Well, we should add that clip in here for

00:27:12.740 y'all to watch for yourself. It's highly disgusting. That's great. Yeah. And it's like kind of like,

00:27:17.660 yeah, like you said, like this woman can't even have kids. Like maybe you're just jealous that they

00:27:21.900 still have their fertility, which is horrible, but you know what happens, older women being jealous

00:27:26.000 of young women. So it's like really disgusting. There's so much to talk about. There's so much to

00:27:31.500 address here. And I wish we had more time to, you know, really deep dive even more. Um, I think too,

00:27:38.540 one of the interesting things about people who are like pro abortion is that they don't really

00:27:42.600 have any idea why they believe what they believe. Like it's, it's like the same. It's just the

00:27:47.220 narrative. It's just what everyone's told. Exactly. You know, I think people actually literally

00:27:51.440 believe, Oh, abortion is going to become illegal everywhere. I can't have birth control. And it's

00:27:54.560 that that's not true. And I think it's, it's a part of the reason why there's so much ignorance

00:27:58.460 on that side. It's because the same people who deem themselves as open-minded aren't actually

00:28:03.820 willing to go and research the other side to actually educate themselves on why people on the

00:28:08.500 right, more so more often, you know, are pro-life or are pro-choice when it comes to vaccines

00:28:13.600 or are anti-mask potentially that you don't even want to take the time to hear why we feel

00:28:18.200 this way. Yet you call yourself open-minded. You ain't. You're just reading your friend's

00:28:22.200 Instagram post and that's that then you're calling it a day. Like you don't know crap,

00:28:26.460 dude. I also understand like if you, cause like some of us know people who have had abortions,

00:28:32.220 like do I want to make my friends cry and feel bad? No, absolutely not. So I understand

00:28:36.860 the, um, the, the need to feel like, okay, I don't want to be pro-life because I'm going

00:28:42.940 to make my friend feel bad. And like, she might hate me and she might feel bad about herself.

00:28:46.460 Like I get it. But when I, I, I'm still teetering with it myself. Like I don't even, I mean,

00:28:53.100 I consider myself pro-life, but I also consider myself pro-choice. Like it's hard for me.

00:28:56.320 Like I'm not quite all the way there yet. But when we were doing our research for our first

00:29:01.400 episode talking about abortion, I watched, um, I did a lot of research and I watched a video on,

00:29:06.360 um, how babies are formed in the womb and it's like five weeks. They start to look like something

00:29:12.640 that you'd recognize and you can get a pill abortion up to 12 weeks. So at 12 weeks, it really

00:29:19.480 looks like something like a, it's a baby obviously, but it really looks like a baby and it feels pain

00:29:24.500 and it has a heart. It has a heart and yeah. And it, it really started to shift my view on the

00:29:30.420 whole subject. And I started thinking, I mean, I never wanted one for myself and I never would

00:29:34.520 have, but I started thinking that it really pushed me on to the pro-choice side or sorry,

00:29:38.440 the pro-life side. And I just think that if you want to be pro-choice, you should really look into

00:29:43.180 that yourself. Look at what an abortion actually is. Look at the terminology that they use. We've talked

00:29:48.880 about this before, but Planned Parenthood uses the term pregnancy tissue when talking about a freaking

00:29:53.520 baby, a human being with a soul, by the way. Yeah. So it's, it's really upsetting. And if you want

00:29:58.520 to be pro-choice fine, but do the research on both sides and just see exactly what you're doing. Look

00:30:02.280 at what a medical abortion does, which is the pill and look what a surgical abortion does. Yeah.

00:30:07.080 Look at, watch one. Yeah. You can watch it. You should watch. You can watch one through like a

00:30:11.040 ultrasound. It's really, really like it's just, it's like watching a murder. Yeah. It's watching a

00:30:16.020 murder. That is what it is. Yeah. Yeah. So you should, you should do your research before if you're

00:30:19.500 planning on having one, like do your research and know that there's other options. You can

00:30:23.340 definitely give birth and put your baby up for adoption to someone because there's multiple

00:30:27.480 families who are infertile. I will take your baby. Yeah. I'll take your baby. Like there

00:30:30.260 are people who just can't have babies of their own and that they would love your baby and they

00:30:33.620 will give it a great life. And yeah, consider that. And I think too, just, you know, on this

00:30:38.620 note, um, if you are listening to the show and you are considering getting an abortion, please

00:30:44.400 reach out to someone like reach out to a Christian friend, you know, your parents, us, email us.

00:30:50.600 I will pray for you. Like, honestly, I'm serious. Like, we don't want you to do this alone. You are

00:30:55.400 not alone. There are so many organizations out there who will help you, who will help you, you

00:30:59.780 know, give you access to things that you may not be able to afford, et cetera. Like there are so many

00:31:04.680 options for you. You are not as alone as the, as our society wants you to feel. Yeah. They want you to

00:31:09.180 feel alone. It's just like the, the isolation due to COVID itself. Like it's, it's, it sounds like a

00:31:13.680 tinfoil hat theory, but like, look at you, look at your life. You live in a condo alone. You order your food

00:31:17.680 online, you watch Netflix, you work from home, you're isolated, but you don't need to be, you

00:31:21.520 don't just because that's how people are trying to make you feel. You don't need to live that way.

00:31:24.580 And I also think it's important to note that, you know, when we were talking about the 1%

00:31:28.120 of abortions because of rape, the, the number one reason that women have abortions is because

00:31:32.960 they don't think that the baby would fit into their life. Yeah. So it's like, that's super fickle,

00:31:37.240 but if that's the reason, yeah, if that's the reason, then have the baby and give it up to someone

00:31:41.660 who will fit into their life. Like if that's your reason, that's not a good reason or do a better

00:31:45.820 job preventing pregnancy. Condoms pull out, check your basal body temperature, like track

00:31:52.700 your cycles. There's so much to know. It's a quick Google away friends. It really is. And I was

00:31:57.520 shocked yesterday. I was reading about, I'd never knew about your body temperature and how you

00:32:01.540 literally can like, there are, there are, um, apps, there are apps and you can have like a

00:32:06.180 thermostat or thermometer and you can check your temperature and then you plug it into your app

00:32:10.080 and it'll tell you like, Oh, you're fertile in two days. Yeah. Don't have sex on those two days.

00:32:13.560 Like literally, or it's like five days maybe where you're fertile. Yeah. The rest of the time,

00:32:16.640 you're not, you're not fertile. So go for it. You know, it's the science, you know,

00:32:21.160 safe and effective you guys. Yeah. Should we, should we just quickly read some of these?

00:32:27.580 Yeah. I think we should quickly read some of the people who are afraid. Yeah. So this is from an

00:32:32.620 article from, Oh, Teen Vogue. Young people are switching their birth control before abortion access

00:32:37.860 via Roe v. Wade. Uh, why does this make no sense to me? This article title? Because it's written

00:32:44.180 by Teen Vogue. Also one of the paragraphs in this article starts with and the word and I thought

00:32:50.180 that was a no, no stylistic choice. I'm not a great grammar person, but I started some sentences with

00:32:54.420 and, but then I don't go and say, and just kill the baby. That's funny. Um, here's a funny one. So

00:33:01.820 these are young women who are talking about why they're so scared about Roe v. Wade. Um,

00:33:06.440 so this says Maya says she isn't attracted to men, but it's thought about purchasing plan B just in

00:33:11.040 case. My note was erm. Why? Why? I don't even know if we need to explain it. Yeah. Goodness gracious.

00:33:19.140 Okay. This one was interesting too, though. So Beatrice says that as a sexual assault survivor,

00:33:24.040 she turned away from the option of an IUD because she was afraid the insertion would be triggering.

00:33:28.700 It's like, but having a living human being dismembered or sucked out of your uterus would be less

00:33:34.160 triggering. You're not making sense. And I'm so sorry that you were sexually assaulted. Yeah,

00:33:37.940 no, that's awful. I would wish that on nobody. Honestly, that's just tremendously terrifying and

00:33:43.240 horrible, but come on. Like you don't make any sense, Beatrice. No. You don't make sense.

00:33:47.700 And this one is Hannah had bad side effects from birth control in the past, but she's now returning to

00:33:51.700 it because she said she'd rather risk it than getting pregnant in post Roe America. Again, that's not your

00:33:57.140 only option. And it's not contraceptive. Yeah. Like contraceptive. Sorry. Well, birth control is.

00:34:02.140 Yeah. But, but abortion is. No. Yeah, exactly. All of these, the points that these people are making

00:34:06.360 are leading me to believe that they actually think abortion is contraceptive. They do. And some women

00:34:10.500 treat it like that. Yeah. And it's, I'm sorry, but it's gross. No. Not trying to be judgmental,

00:34:15.220 but that's gross. Like that's straight up gross. If you're just having unprotected sex and then thinking,

00:34:20.960 oh, if I get pregnant, I'll just get an abortion. Like that is disgusting. It is. It happens by

00:34:24.720 accident. I mean, sure. Like if you, if you tried you, yeah, but say you, say you did like track

00:34:30.840 your temperature and you did wear condoms, like at that point, it's like, you know, kind of God is

00:34:34.740 telling you something. Well, like I said earlier, consent to sex is consent to pregnancy. Even if

00:34:39.220 you've taken those steps, like that's just what happens when you have sex, like you could get

00:34:43.700 pregnant no matter what. So I'm just think that people need to be more responsible. If you're really that

00:34:47.600 scared, don't have sex. Yeah. Why is teen Vogue like not mentioning that maybe don't have sex at

00:34:52.420 such a young age when you're so young that you're like, I can't even imagine having a baby. It's

00:34:56.160 like, close your legs, like do other stuff, do other stuff in a sports team, you know, take up clay and

00:35:01.240 pottery. Yeah. That's a good point. You like me in high school. Just be nerds like us. Yeah. Just watch

00:35:07.660 Lord of the Rings for, you know, four years straight. Perfect. Become a theater kid. It worked out

00:35:13.720 really well for us. Yeah. It is the best contraceptive. Yeah. Oopsie. Oopsie. This was a very fruitful

00:35:22.740 conversation. No pun intended. Yeah. Well, I think that's the sure. That's the sure. That's the sure.

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Miss Understood No. 13 — Their Body, Your Choice

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